Comments on: Rumor: Oslo Never Going to Be Released
According to PDA Buzz, this device will never be released. Quoting "reliable sources", the article says that Oslo was a prototype that the company decided months ago to not make into a shipping product.
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Hope they have something better in store because they need it
RE: Despite the bashing. . .
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How much spin is in this spin?
RE: How much spin is in this spin?
General concensus was that this was a device that everyone (except the Sony trolls) wanted. Only major criticisms were they should make it a little thinner, and have a virtual grafitti area.
Palm doesn't drive their development based on gossip
The exact OSLO you see in the pictures may never be released, but not because of the rumors (that are inconsequential in the bigger scheme of life).
Even if the exact OSLO won't be released. The OSLO does correctly illustrate many of the technologies and features that will be available in the coming months and devices *similar* to OSLO will be released.
So just relax and don't overly analyze/obsess the rumors.
RE: Palm doesn't drive their development based on gossip
And so do others
RE: How much spin is in this spin?
I'd be happy with something with all the Oslo features (hi-res screen, OSv5, speaker, D-pad) but minus the retracting bottom.
negative response
Remeber, this is just a rumor
RE: Remember, this is just a rumor
RE: Remeber, this is just a rumor
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RE: Remeber, this is just a rumor
What If...?
Just a thought.
Oslo Never To Be Released
RE: Oslo Never To Be Released
RE: Oslo Never To Be Released
Yankees, Steinbrenner,...... I will never turn to the dark side.
RE: Oslo Never To Be Released
RE: Oslo Never To Be Released
A "juiced up" m5xx (call it the m525 or m525xe or something) formfactor unit, OS 4.1, 66 mhz dragonball, m515 screen, and a better battery to make up for the faster CPU. Not having high-res, virtual grafitti and mp3 (unlike Sony) will actually be a benefit for once as it'll add to battery life.
Then release a "brick" OS5 unit somewhere in size between a palm III and a v/m500 formfactor, and have a knockout screen on it, as well as a D-pad and perhaps even Bluetooth.
That way there will be the current models taking up the low and middle end of the price spectrum, with the two power models available at the high end. A 66 mhz dragonball should be amply sufficient for someone who demands the m500 formfactor anyway. It will not be realistic for Palm to shoehorn an ARM cpu into that case for at least 6 months anyway...
Palm Development
Ok we have three products that have got the go-ahead. Now where do we put our money?
1: Consumer surveys………To costly
2. Trust the developers……… Hell no!
Leak the info and read the posts… Great idea, no investment…right target. Can I get a promotion!
PDA Buzz
But it was cancelled months ago...
Although with Palm who knows. Maybe is was cancelled days ago. Days, weeks, months, 16-bit, 12-bit, what's the difference.
It did look to be an innovative (maybe that's the problem) design with some merit.
I am guessing that someone will eventually come out with something like it.
RE: PDA Buzz
The disappointment voiced here is more a reflection of being returned to a state of total ignorance about the first OS5 devices, rather than disappointment that we won't be able to buy Oslo. Let's hope there's a REASON Palm rejected Oslo -- maybe they have something much better.
RE: PDA Buzz
Wes : Good riddance
But you're right, the mood has been considerably lightened since their new ownership got rid of that "PocketPC Nazi" Wes Salmon.
He was just POSITIVE that the Palm OS (not just Palm the company) was going to be eaten alive by PocketPC and Symbian.
I myself can't predict what will happen, but I like Palm's and Symbian's (future) position better than PocketPC's.
Anyway, I like to visit PDA Buzz about once a week or so and get my fill of other PDAs/platforms' progress.
The mood of the site has improved drastically since he was fired.
RE: PDA Buzz
RE: PDA Buzz
RE: PDA Buzz
As for Wes being dead-set against PalmOS products, here's a quote from his review of the Clie NR70:
"In my four years of covering the mobile computing industry, I've found few products that pique my interest as much as the Sony CLIE NR70 series. From the day I received it, I have been in PDA bliss. While it falls short in a few areas compared to competing multimedia enabled PDA's, the overall feature set, stunning design, and wow factor are enough to make up the difference. While my NR70V is now on its way back to Sony, you can rest assured I will have one of my very own shortly."
Hmmm....now those sure sound like the words of a PocketPC Nazi, doesn't it? Give me a friggin' break.
Sorry, friend, your comments are both silly and don't hold up in light of the facts.
it is comming
RE: it is comming
OK than,
What are your sources???
How do we know you are not just saying this.
Razor
Now I'm not suggesting that this is necessarily what is happening with "Oslo". If you read Denny's comments on PDABuzz, he states that "Oslo" was a prototype and that Palm's new high-end device will have a different design.
On the other hand, maybe Denny was told "the pictures leaked to the web were of a prototype" (true) and that "There is no forthcoming product called Oslo" (true).
Who knows? :) All I know is that I *really* am looking forward to seeing the new OS5/ARM devices come out!
Heh, and NR70V
OTOH, there have been a number of fully-functional prototype designs (from various licensees) that have not made it to production.
Only time will tell with "Oslo" :)
Quick Guide to Palm OS Device Codenames
Jerry: Palm VII HAL (Palm Computing)
Rocky: Pilot, PalmPilot, Palm III HAL
Sumo: Palm IIIx/V/Vx HAL
Austin: Palm IIIc
Calvin: Palm m100
HAL refers to Hardware Abstraction Layer -- its the layer of the OS between all the calls that programmers use and the actual hardware registers.
Other codenames mentioned in various header files:
Thumper: Qualcomm PDQ
Touchdown: Early name for Pilot 1000/5000
JerryEZ: Later Palm VII, all Palm VIIx's
Brad: ???
Cobra2: ???
Cessna: never released Motorola Palm OS phone
Phoenix: Samsung IH-300
Slinky: Handspring Visor
Belle: Handspring Visor Edge (???)
CFlash: TRGpro
StarKist: HandEra 330
Pda1Mono: Sony CLIE PEG-S300
Pda1Color: Sony CLIE PEG-S500C
Yosemite: Sony CLIE PEG-N710C
Nasca: Sony CLIE PEG-S320
Yellowstone: Sony CLIE PEG-N610C
Yosemite2: Sony CLIE PEG-N760C
Venice: Sony CLIE T415
Modena: Sony CLIE T615C
Nasca2: Sony CLIE PEG-S360
Redwood: Sony CLIE PEG-NR70, PEG-NR70V
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RE: it is comming
Sounds like a bad handheld name. :)
RE: Quick Guide to PalmOS Device Codenames
Brad - Palm IIIx
Cobra - Palm Vx ("Cobra2" I dunno - the limited edition colored cases? The rebranded epocrates?)
I've noticed your interest in this topic before, and I'd like to compare notes sometime. Palm uber-geeks might like to see a page on this at www.palmevolution.com (of course I'd like to check if the PalmOS licensees have any issue with codenames being made public after the devices have been released).
RE: it is comming
RE: Colors
RE: Colors
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As heard on "Cheers":
All:NORM!
Woody:What's up Mr. Peterson?
Norm:The warranty on my liver!
Why Oslo is being terminated
RE: Colors
Faked image ?
1. Blow the image up and look at the left edge
adjacent to the grafitti area. Lots of blurring.
2. How physically would such a sliding device be manufactured ? There would be huge problems with reliability even if such device could be manufactured.
3. Again inspect the zoomed image:
The interface at the bottom of the sliding screen appears incredibly thin and there appears to be no "edge" at the bottom of the sliding screen.
Its a fake.
Who produced it?? Palm probably to stall over the non-appearance of OS5 devices I suspect. Teething problems with PACE perhaps, Palm ?
RE: Faked image ?
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RE: Faked image ?
I'll bet if you'd seen a picture of an NR70V a year ago you would have said it was impossible to manfacture, couldn't be made reliably and must be a fake.
Your entirely paranoid and I'd go so far as to say mentally ill if you think that it's a fake and that it was released by Palm to divert attention from OS 5 devices.
But then there is always one lunatic who insits that something is a fake, a trick or a con. I've uploaded images of unreleased software and had the same response ("It's clearly a fake, your lame and your rubbish at Photoshop", etc etc.)
This happens all the time on the Spymac gallery I notice, with images I personally know to be entirely genuine. Some people just find life easier if it's one big fantasy.
RE: Faked image ?
What ever will they do now?
(Don't worry guys, Fisher Price leaked some info on it's new line of "Weebles". I hear there is some really suspicious smudging around those pics that should be investigated!)
RE: Faked image ? a PLOY!
but then it did fool many people here and it kept them from buying the already available handhelds in the market (not just the t665)
nice try palm...
RE: Faked image ?
See the Sharp Zaurus. 'nuff said
Ok, I'm baffled?
Could all this have been a ploy just to keep our attention focused on the oslo so they can get "free" feedback on the concept?
Oh well, I guess we'll just have to sit and wait.
By the way if this rumor of no oslo is true then that means that the high end OS5 device should be based on the M515 design with hi-res, built-in bluetooth, and so on.... That would be PERFECT!
RE: Ok, I'm baffled?
Innovation?
RE: Ok, I'm baffled?
RE: Ok, I'm baffled?
RE: Ok, I'm baffled?
: Innovation?
Well, in terms of form factor and hardware, Sony innovates fine by themselves (among others). I have an m505 and I love the form more than any other Palm OS PDA. So as for Palm (i.e. V, m50x), well, IMO, if it ain't broke... :)
Jim
RE: Ok, I'm baffled?
I think Palm pretty much gave up doing anything exciting with their devices in regards to larger screen/multimedia.
A device that's approx. m5xx sized w 320 x 480 screen (virtual grafitti) and heaphone jack for listening to .mp3s (at least as good sounding as the T series) would have me in line to buy one.
Because of the Osbourne factor...
One of the classic blunders in selling technology is to announce your next generation models before they're ready to go on sale. Why? Because if the next generation is good enough, people will wait to buy it, and your sales tank in the meantime.
The classic example was the Osbourne computer, whose first model was successful. The company announced that the next model would be even more awesome, and the customers listened and said "wow, I'm going to wait and get one of those!" and stopped buying the first model. The company went out of business before the second model could be produced.
Palm doesn't want rumors of upcoming devices killing sales of current devices.
Jon Acheson
"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
Most probable cause
2. The Xscale based PDA price is going down so fast, Palm couldn't possibly ignore it by releasing MX based PDA.
3. Very tepid reception on the leak picture.
Most probably Palm will release off the shelf Asus based PDA as rumored. It's here, cheap, working, and thin. Except for the annoying fact that it also run PPC.
More info on Motorola Dragonball MX1?
RE: Most probable cause - MX1
The MX1 is the most power efficient and highly integrated silicon between the three leading ARM Palm OS-ready companies: Motorola, TI and Intel.
Besides power efficiency, the chip includes controllers for LCD, memory, infrared, SD, compact flash, camera, and acceleration for Bluetooth and MPEG4.
I believe it is also the least expensive of the three, specially if you consider the integration.
In any case, Palm has announced their PDAs will use TI's chips- which make your comment totally irrelevant and inaccurrate
Go ahead, get and Xscale-based PDA - just remember to get an extra set of batteries.
ARM processors
I'm not sure that Palm has stated that *all* of their OS5 devices will use the TI OMAP. It certainly makes sense for their smartphone, but they could use another "PalmOS Ready" chip for other devices. Apparently they've said that a device coming in '03 will use XScale and it's possible they'll use the MX1, or even the chips from ATI or QMedia (though it's unknown how far along these latter chips are).
Go ahead, get and Xscale-based PDA - just remember to get an extra set of batteries.
Heh, well that might be true if you get a PPC XScale device (because PocketPC 2002 isn't optimized to take advantage of the power-saving features) but I expect that Intel will have implemented this feature in the HAL for PalmOS devices.
GOOD THING, ugly palm won't be release after all........
Um, yeah, right
Then why are they buying m100s and m105s in droves??
You're aware that the Oslo's "specs" make it narrower, and CONSIDERABLY shorter than the m515, right? Thus making it the smallest Palm handheld?
Think before you type.
RE: GOOD THING, ugly palm won't be release after all........
Plus (I am no develepor or engineer) the m5xx form factor with a 320x320 res screen, speaker, blue tooth and ARM processor with duel expansion, who knows how many colors now, and other features cramed into an m5xx searease form case would be increasing the price and make the product more expensive, wouldn't it?
Still I cant wait to see what they do with the OS 5 :)
RE: GOOD THING, ugly palm won't be release after all........
All this to say, I'm now optimistic that they'll release something better than Oslo, and I say "take your time". We don't need another m500/m505 fiasco where they make the announcement way ahead of availability. That was really bad.
Chad Conrad
RE: GOOD THING, ugly palm won't be release after all........
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As heard on "Cheers":
All:NORM!
Woody:What's up Mr. Peterson?
Norm:The warranty on my liver!
The difference is CHOICE.....
And to useybird, if Sony offer to exchange their handheld with the thick ones from Visor, I have to bet that the yield is at least 90%. The point is, once people see how thin you could make them, there is no turning back unless it is cheap. On my last count I think Visor discontinue Prism shortly after Sony release the high res screen with a lighter case. GET THE POINT?
RE: GOOD THING, ugly palm won't be release after all........
This is solely a statement of opinion. You offer no empirical evidence either to back your opinion, or to establish your credibility beyond "because I think so". I have used both handhelds mentioned in your post, and both have their own flaws and merits. Bottom line is a person will buy what works for them, and meets their price point.
RE: GOOD THING, ugly palm won't release, NOT
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A bet is a bet.........
> your opinion, or to establish your credibility beyond "because I think so".
I would have said "I think instead of I bet". You should realize the difference and that if you can offer a controlled experiment which we can both agree on then we can have our bets down. Obviously most study don't start out like this but if you only point is to say that there is no empirical evidence, then you are exactly missing the point and what you have to say is irrelevant because you, as demanding a scientist as you are, cannnot disprove me. Your assertion is even less credible and generalize to the point that it doesn't offer any opinions or viewpoints, let alone any material contribution to the problem. You even offer nothing and doesn't think about the reasoning behind why I make that assertion. As such I would have to say that you offer nothing other than critizing someone's thinking process which is neither scientific or beneficial to other Palm users.
No funding for bets, maybe......
> your opinion, or to establish your credibility beyond "because I think so".
just to add to the last post: If you don't have the funds to bet, maybe you can request research fund for the study of people's preference on handheld and whether people would substitute a better product for an OK product. At least that would save you some chips that can be used in Vegas.
We should sue Palm!
It's not nearly enough that I can go buy a competitor's product. Palm and all its employees must DIE! And their remains should be fed to all those gorillas aided by Pimlico.
RE: We should sue Palm!
If you want to critisize palm, the worlds best selling handheld and platform then critisize palm at pocketpc.com, where you belong
RE: We should sue Palm!
RE: We should sue Palm!
RE: We should sue Palm!
RE: We should sue Palm!
Pimlico actually supports a rare carnivorous breed of gorilla
RE: We should sue Palm!
Yeah, and head squarley placed up his arse!
RE: We should sue Palm!
RE: Anon Trolls [was: We should sue Palm!]
Ed, are you and Ryan still thinking of implementing "Registration required for comments"???
Please!!! You've got a GREAT news site here, but the signal-to-noise ratio is often terrible -- you've got to do something to help make this a more civilized place :)
RE: We should sue Palm!
good one
btw the americans here arent proving wrong the stereotype of americans not understanding sarcasm
"Dont call your mother an iron" family guy
My palm III was 50p from a charity shop, and introduced me to pdas
Oslo will be released
In order to be released in Sept., production units have been on the manufacturing line for over a month now. No negative feedback generated on these message boards will change that (even if I agree with most of the "negative" feedback). So, buckle up and hold on tight. The OS5 wave is approaching shore.
RE: Oslo will be released
RE: Oslo will be released, good thing
RE: Oslo will be released
You get the point.
We all will reap rich rewards! ''Things go good now.''
And not just the usual suspects, but ACER? Samsung?
(Kyocera getting serious too!)
We are about to live through a handheld explosion!
(And I' don't mean mis-handling those fuel cell things either) ;)
Apples iPhone is (probably soon) coming
Name it PalmSource, Palm Inc, Palm hardware, Palm C(O)rooks. however you want, they will be jettisoned of the market within hours such a item is available on the market.
RE: We all will reap rich rewards! ''Things go good now.''
iMicrowave
iTv
iPee-Pee (toilet)
ivacuum
i etc
RE: Apples iPhone is (probably soon) coming
After 756 previous, incorrect rumors saying Apple is about to put out a handheld of some kind, I can't believe ::anyone:: takes this seriously. The boy has cried wolf way too many times.
p.s. Kiss my grits!
RE: We all will reap rich rewards! ''Things go good now.''
While I'm sure that IF Apple releases such a product, it will be a very nice offering indeed, I've heard too many people predict the "death of Palm" to give any such comments credence. Like you are the marketing guru here. Please.
RE: We all will reap rich rewards! ''Things go good now.''
RE: We all will reap rich rewards! ''Things go good now.''
"No, the next portable Apple product will be the iBrator... they are targeting the upwardly mobile, bored house-wives and porn*star markets! :-)"
Oooh, I'd buy one, as long as it had a user-friendly interface! (snork) (Female, BTW!)
Oh Oslo, We Hardly Knew Ye
Heh, heh...
It's real, it'll ship, I can't wait! :-)
RE: Heh, heh...
:)
RE: Heh, heh...
As long as this handheld wave is coming, I'm buying one!!! :)
RE: Heh, heh...
Fargo
RE: Heh, heh...
Better yet, you should say "My Sony will beat up your Palm," or "My Palm will beat up your Sony."
Depends on whose childish perspective you want to mock.
RE: Heh, heh...
I don't know if Fargo and Oslo are the same thing - but they certainly sound similar because they have internal BT. However, the slider certainly wasn't in early Fargo specs.
RE: Heh, heh...
Could Be worse
RE: Oslo cancelled, Norwegians pissed
None of my text entries could be more than 6 characters long;
The location of the cities in "City Time" would be screwed up;
My calendar would keep teling me it was 1992, not 2002;
It would keep pausing;
My email messages would be reported to the authorities;
It would run have an EPA friendly case, but require an Alaskan oil field to power it;
"Missile Commander", "Chopper", and "Tapper" would be default apps.
Others?
RE: Oslo cancelled, Norwegians pissed
In fact, nobody here cares about your opinions at all. Why do we all think we're so damned important to the rest of the world? Jeez people it's only a PDA for crying out loud. I love handhelds, but there's so much more to life once you realize how insignificant you really are.
RE: Oslo cancelled, Norwegians pissed
More OS 5 Vaporware
RE: More OS 5 Vaporware
Sorry to correct you: for a Palm share you cannot even get a decent beagle,
PPC Trolls Running Scared
I've heard Microsoft is going to drop the whole PPC platform and move the marketing and development money into tablets. There's no competition there and they might be able to make some money. Microsoft and HP are tired of the tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars they lose every year.
RE: More OS 5 Vaporware
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Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: More OS 5 Vaporware
Yep, you're right about the bagel, guess I haven't checked the stock price lately. It seems like just yesterday a hundred shares of Palm were worth as much as a new car. Now a hundred shares is worth the same as the lunch special for 2 at Denny's.
PALM - What's going on??
We're ready! We will be carefull, just let us have a go, go on just do it, we wont laugh, were desperate, we just want high res, etc, and we dont want to have to go to Sony, they do not have an SD slot YET, we will embrace it, FOR **** SAKE JUST GIVE US THE BLOO__ DEVICES.
No, wait, I get it, they are going to do a 'STAR WARS' on us, release OS6 first, then OS5 devices will be ready, hence why OS5 comes out and everybody puts out there best OS4.1 devices, very clever, by OS7 the story will all fall into place.
Geeshe, I'm really having trouble working out why Palm are not doing so well.
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