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The Sony SJ20 is a new entry-level handheld from Sony and is a member of Sony's newly redesigned S series, which also includes SL10. It features a 320 by 320, backlit, monochrome screen, 16 MB of RAM, and a Memory Stick slot. It costs $200.

Sony announced the SJ20 just over a week ago and said it would be available last week. However, it ran into some delays and is just now beginning to reach stores.

News Editor Ed Hardy has the second half of his review of the SJ20.

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backlight color?

Polyman @ 8/26/2002 3:20:55 PM #
Is it just me or does that backlight look blue-ish?

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RE: backlight color?
Ed @ 8/26/2002 3:24:56 PM #
It is very difficult (or maybe even impossible) to take a picture of a handheld that makes the screen look anything close to what it actually looks like in person. That's why all the pictures of handhelds you see in catalogs have "simulated" screens. This means a screen shot has been pasted over the image to make it look like that's what the handheld screen is showing.

In short, you can't tell what a handheld's screen looks like from a picture. You need to see for yourself. Short of that, take my word for it. As I covered in the first part of this review, the SJ20 has a nice white backlight and good contrast.

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RE: backlight color?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 4:20:25 PM #
How even does the backlight seem? Are there obvious regions of bright and dark? Does it appear to be white LEDs or fluorescent or electroluminescent or...?
RE: backlight color?
volcanopele @ 8/26/2002 7:11:55 PM #
I was playing around with an SL10 at Best Buy today (when I got my NR70V :) and the screen to me didn't look so much bluish but they were definitely using greyscale icons in the launcher. I am not sure if other greyscale 4.0 devices use greyscale devices but my previous palm, a Visor Platinum, used by default black and white icons. With a hi-res screen, the greyscale icons do give the impression that they are in color.

RE: backlight color?
ext1jdh @ 10/18/2002 10:29:35 AM #
The backlight is actually quite bright. It is similar in brightness to the Compaq Ipaq PPC's. The color is very white with an almost unnoticeable yellow tinge to it. As the battery life diminishes, the more noticeable it gets, but the battery life is nice and long, so it is not a problem. The brightness is stable across the entire display.
What I would like to see is some transparency behind the input area so you can see the icons and writing area when in complete darkness.

RE: backlight color?
prodigy @ 4/25/2003 7:45:53 PM #
The blue border around the screen had me flipping out for awhile too..... I recieved the device as a gift, and didn't know that the screen was black and white, it took me awhlie to figure it out...

wes

YET Another nice PDA from sony...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 3:27:19 PM #
gee, I just hope this one lasts more than 3 months.....
RE: YET Another nice PDA from sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 5:56:40 PM #
It won't. It's a SONY.
RE: YET Another nice PDA from sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 7:41:20 PM #
I can't figure out why some are upset that Sony keeps constantly improving their products at such a rapid speed. Why does it bother you? Your PDA has not changed - it's the same one you bought - just because a new, improved version is released doesn't change it. I think we should praise and not criticize Sony for continuous product development of what are already HIGH QUALITY products. The other alternative is Palm, Inc. who, for whatever reason, like to move at a glacial speed.
RE: YET Another nice PDA from sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 8:49:11 PM #
With proper care, it will easily last at least a couple years. That, of course, won't prevent Sony from releasing several improved products on which its probably already spent R&D money.
RE: YET Another nice PDA from sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 9:37:54 PM #
I agree with the top, why complain, if you dont want sony theres always palm or acer right. People complain when sony released a product that is only available in japan and left out the other part of the world. Now that they release all of their handheld in here too, a lot of people are still complaining, what do you people want anyway????
RE: YET Another nice PDA from sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 10:02:27 PM #
They're just dumb trolls.

The only reason you'd complain is if all you care about is having the latest and greatest, which is purely for bragging/showing-off purposes.

RE: YET Another nice PDA from sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 11:08:36 AM #
People just keep comparing apples and oranges...Palm Inc and Sony will never run their businesses the same way! Palm is relatively small, therefore they have limited resources for Research and development and production. Their business plan has them putting out a handheld and tweaking things slowly. They'd be out of business in a year if they did what Sony does. Sony has the resources in both R&D and production to put out new models all the time. They both are good--Sony really does do more innovation but Palms are good for the platform because less "techy" people like to buy something they have seen around for a while. It makes them more comfortable. There really IS a place for everyone right now...the future remains to be seen.
RE: YET Another nice PDA from sony...
prodigy @ 4/25/2003 7:43:12 PM #
Why complain!!!!!!!! No body is forcing you to go out and buy every handheld that sony makes...........

wes

Memory Stick slot speed

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 3:46:39 PM #
In regards to the the Memory Stick slot:

"This doesn't cripple the handheld or anything but doing backups takes a while. There is a noticeable lag opening applications and eBooks from the Memory Stick but, like I said, this is more of a minor irritation than anything else. I chalk this up to the sort of thing you have to expect from a $200 handheld. You just aren't going to get the same performance you get from a $400 one. "

So are you telling us that an expensive Sony model has a faster running Memory Stick slot? I never read this speed issue before. If it is slow than why use it, the 16mb of ram is enough then for the users who buy this.

RE: Memory Stick slot speed
Ed @ 8/26/2002 3:52:24 PM #
> So are you telling us that an expensive Sony model has a faster running Memory
> Stick slot?

Definitely. A T665C has a VFSMark score of 101, indicating that it is slightly faster than the application's benchmark, a Palm m500 with a 16 MB SD card.

> If it is slow than why use it, the 16mb of ram is enough then for the users
> who buy this.

Memory Sticks are nice for doing backups, even if you aren't trying to carry around more than 16 MB of files. There are other uses too, but I get your point and I agree, many of the people who get a SJ20 will never need a Memory Stick for it.

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RE: Memory Stick slot speed
Token User @ 8/26/2002 4:36:06 PM #
It would be interesting to know how the slower data transfer will effect IO operations for items like GPS and Bluetooth.

RE: Memory Stick slot speed
bobes @ 8/26/2002 4:41:16 PM #
I wonder if it's just a bug in the software (which is fixable) versus a hardware issue.

RE: Memory Stick slot speed (and use)
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 4:59:05 PM #
Does Sony provide software that allows accessing programs directly from the Memory Stick or must third party software be obtained and installed? Is access to the Memory Stick limited to reading programs (e.g. e-books, Wordsmith, Docs to Go, etc.) or can data be input for programs kept only on the memory stick (e.g. Pocket Quicken).
RE: Memory Stick slot speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 4:59:43 PM #
Thanks for the input guys. I didn't know much about the memory stick issue.
RE: Memory Stick slot speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 6:26:37 PM #
A deja vu?

Ed, what hacks have you installed? When I used BatteryLog hack to monitor the batter usage of my N610C. For unknown reason, it slows down the performance of momery stick. I just got a VFSMark of 29, the write speed is extremely slow. However, if BatteryLog is disable, VFSMark is about 70.

RE: Memory Stick slot speed
Ed @ 8/26/2002 10:50:40 PM #
I disabled all my hacks and ran VFSMark again and got the same score.

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RE: Memory Stick slot speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 9:04:47 AM #
I also have an N610c and got a VFS mark of 69. I use Uptime to monitor my unit on time and it doesn't affect my VFS speed. I was wondering if anyone with a T615c would post thier VFS mark.

Thanks Ed for an informative review and I hope you post the VFS mark for the upcoming SJ30 when its available.

RE: Memory Stick slot speed
LanMan @ 8/27/2002 10:33:21 AM #
"can data be input for programs kept only on the memory stick (e.g. Pocket Quicken)."

LandWare specifically states that Pocket Quicken data must be in RAM. However, other programs can access data from card. You can use a 3rd party apps such as PiDirectII to load read-only data from card, or you can use the MsMount (freeware) to load read-write data.

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RE: Memory Stick slot speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 2:51:26 PM #
RE: "Some operations were extremely slow. In its worst example, it is 2% of the standard speed for writing to files on the Memory Stick."

2%? Even 20% would seems slow.

How many seconds to write a file of (for instance) 1 MB?

RE: Memory Stick slot speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2002 11:39:05 PM #
I have tried MSmount on my PEG-320, however it seems to just not work. I've tried installing it twice and both times no icons show up. If I go to delete it from the memory the program is there, but I just can't seem to run it. Any suggestions? Are there any other programs that do the same sort of thing?

Thanks,
Matt

RE: Memory Stick slot speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/28/2002 3:31:24 PM #
I sm having a peg s320 and am presently using msmount too - as far as I know you *won't* see any icons for msmount, but you will find msmount as an option under preferences, where you will be able to control it's behaviour. I think it's a great utillity making it possible to use applications from the memory stick which normally wouldn't runfrom there.

Photo of flip cover?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 3:58:45 PM #
Can you put up a photo of the flip cover so we can see how it looks on the handheld? Thanks.
RE: Photo of flip cover?
Ed @ 8/26/2002 4:00:22 PM #
I actually took a picture of the flip cover and it's just a big black rectangle. Sorry, it would take me 5 or 10 minutes of fiddling to put this picture online and, in the end, you'd have a picture of a black rectangle with Clie written on it. (It reminded me of the obelisks from 2001.) So I decided it was pointless. I'm sure you can imagine in a black rectangle in your own mind and have a very good idea of what it looks like.

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RE: Photo of flip cover?
Palm Cow @ 12/15/2002 10:32:55 AM #
The ZDNet review has a pretty good picture of it with its flip cover. Personally, I like the picture!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N5C4217C2
It will re-direct you there.

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Hail the Cow!

Bluetooth

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 4:00:24 PM #
Will the bluetooth stick work with this model?
RE: Bluetooth
Ed @ 8/26/2002 10:48:01 PM #
I haven't tested it but I believe it will.

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No ratings

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 4:19:24 PM #
Ed, where did the ratings go for this review? Have you discontinued the use of them?
RE: No ratings
Ed @ 8/26/2002 10:48:38 PM #
I'm experimenting to see if anyone cares that I didn't include them.

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RE: No ratings
big_raji @ 8/26/2002 11:07:46 PM #
I usually don't care about ratings the first time I look at the review, since I'm usually reading the text of the review anyways.

When it's time to buy though, I like to look back at the reviews and quickly refresh my memory by looking at the ratings.

Don't get rid of them!

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Wooo!

RE: No ratings
mikeliu @ 8/27/2002 12:37:41 AM #
personally I don't care much for the ratings, kinda glad they're gone. Everything is 4 or 5 stars anyways, so it really doesn't mean much.

Now maybe if the ratings were "re-centered" or something...make 3 stars average....then it might actually convey something, but as they were, I say drop em

RE: No ratings
Haber @ 8/27/2002 6:40:49 AM #
Never noticed they were missing, so I guess that means I'm either very non-attentive or never utilized them to begin with. Only thing I remember about them is that they formatted bizarrely in AvantGo on my huffing and puffing Palm Vx.

RE: No ratings
swinginjonny @ 8/27/2002 11:51:05 AM #
I noticed them missing. I like them but I agree that they need to be recentered. They aren't very useful if they are always good. I am a consultant for both training and purchasing and they act as a good summary to help me remember the good points and not-so-good points of each handheld. Maybe you could only list and rate features that are above or below average, everything else will be assumed a 3 and you could rate the others from 1-5. Just brainstorming.

(Self-confessed Palm Geek)

360 or 320?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 5:20:30 PM #
is the resolution of the screen 360x360 or 320x320?
RE: 360 or 320?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 5:22:12 PM #
"It features a 360 by 360, backlit, monochrome screen, 16 MB of RAM, and a Memory Stick slot."

ups, it's only on the front page, not on this review...

RE: 360 or 320?
rldunn @ 8/26/2002 5:49:06 PM #
It's 320x320.

RE: 360 or 320?
Ed @ 8/26/2002 5:53:25 PM #
Sorry, I have the bad habit of wriiting 360 by 360 when I mean 320 by 320. I've fixed the article.

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RE: 360 or 320?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 11:21:12 AM #
>Sorry, I have the bad habit of wriiting 360 by 360
>when I mean 320 by 320. I've fixed the article.

That is alright. I have the habit of saying 16 bits when I should be saying 12.

Sincerely, Palm


RE: 360 or 320?
swinginjonny @ 8/27/2002 12:05:35 PM #
LOL over and over again until my sides hurt!

(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
RE: 360 or 320?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 12:29:10 PM #
swinginjonny, you don't come to this site much, do you? That joke was funny the fist 50 times it was used. Since then it has become a serious dud.

Feel in your hand

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 7:50:10 PM #
How does the SJ20 fit in your hand compared to other Sony models. It is obviously thicker, but does the shorter length work to its advantage or disadvantage?

Good review.

RE: Feel in your hand
Ed @ 8/26/2002 10:45:19 PM #
All my comments about the shape of the SJ20 in the first part of this review:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3999

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Question for Ed
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 3:07:09 PM #
Ed,

Does the protruding battery compartment made the handheld more uncomfortable or feel more awkward to hold than an S360 or T-series Clie?

RE: Question for Ed
Ed @ 8/27/2002 3:33:16 PM #
All my comments about the shape of the SJ20 in the first part of this review:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3999

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YUCKY STYLUS!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 9:52:42 PM #
Ed, I hear you and entirely agree!
The People Opposing Sony's Stylus Excuses (POSSE) are now forming a unified virtual front. We are planning to seize Sony's San Diego offices on a secret date, and confiscate ALL pens, pencils and other writing objects in the building. We will then enforce a requirement that Sony America employees USE that ridiculous excuse for a stylus for ALL writing, and see how quickly we can induce the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to list use of the stupid stylus as a health risk.

join us.

RE: YUCKY STYLUS!!
UZI4U182 @ 8/27/2002 1:11:43 AM #
I sure am laughing lol...

--Devan--

www.tavern.2ya.com
Palm OS apps, news, reviews and such

RE: YUCKY STYLUS!!
prodigy @ 4/25/2003 7:52:05 PM #
here's petioning for a thicker stylus....... I've already lost one....... it took me awhile to find a place that sells them after I discovered that the local staples didn't carry it.

wes
RE: YUCKY STYLUS!!
Gabe @ 6/24/2003 1:05:05 PM #
For everyone complaining about the stylus... Get over it and look for a solution. I have one for you. I'm a tall guy with big hands and you are all right... the stylus is small. So, I bought a 3 in 1 PhD. It's a pen, pencil, stylus all in one. It has a nice comfortable grip and it's only around $12. There are ink refills available and you can get it at almost any office supply store. Stop the madness... look for solutions... they're out there. Good Luck!

LUCK-- Labor Under Controlled Knowledge

ghosting

UZI4U182 @ 8/27/2002 1:13:07 AM #
i adore this device, but circuit city hasnt gotten them in yet and im afraid ghosting may be a problem for me. i dont play many games, sometimes billiards, tic tac tough, and hardball but that is it. i use my clie for word processing for school and such. SO you don't think it will be a problem for me Ed? thanks.

--Devan--

www.tavern.2ya.com
Palm OS apps, news, reviews and such

RE: ghosting
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2002 7:35:42 AM #
I played with an SJ20 today, and it is DOG SLOW. This thing feels way slower than my Palm Vx, so I'm not sure what is going on. Not only is the screen itself terribly slow (severe ghosting - more than any other Palm device I've ever seen) but the actual redraw rate (icons appearing, application switching, etc.) and general "responsiveness" of the device is just really really slow. The screen *is* extremely good to look at, but I find the device in general to be far too sluggish for my liking.

--John Rothlisberger

RE: ghosting
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2002 1:18:34 PM #
I noticed the ghosting on the SL10.

Also the screen seemed to be very slow. You could notice as each icon appears on the "home screen".

I wonder if to make these units less expensive if Sony has eliminated video coprocessor. I understood that All previous sony hi-res had coproccessor for display.
By eliminating Sony could cut cost and improve battery life on the lowend SL, SJ.

Anyone know more?

Comparing it to the S360? Nonsense.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 1:18:46 AM #
Quote for the review:

"The SJ20 offers a very good monochrome screen and great battery life... All in all, I think it is a very good handheld for its price and a worthy replacement for the S360 in Sony's lineup."

You should compare it to the T415 and it is not really that worthy. With the extra features, design and price of the T415, I think it's a better deal (although they are discontinued).

RE: Comparing it to the S360? Nonsense.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 1:41:09 AM #
>> With the extra features, design and price of the T415, I think it's a better deal (although they are discontinued).

The t415 had one feature that made it nearly useless: the screen. The SJ20 screen blow it away because of teh white backlight. Smartest thing ever on a monchrome PDA.

RE: Comparing it to the S360? Nonsense.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 1:54:09 AM #
The "white" (or blue) backlight does not compensate the extra features of the T415.
RE: Comparing it to the S360? Nonsense.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 10:20:35 AM #
Extra features being enhanced audio and high-power IR? Or are you refering to some other features?
RE: Comparing it to the S360? Nonsense.
LanMan @ 8/27/2002 10:48:47 AM #
My T415 can get over 20 hours of use w/o recharging. However, I admit that I leave the backlight turned off the majority of the time. I would say that of that 20 hours only 1-2 hours of it included b/l use.

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RE: Comparing it to the S360? Nonsense.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 11:06:27 AM #
> You should compare it to the T415 and it is not really that worthy

First you say that he should compare the the SJ20 to the T415 then you say the SJ20 isn't worthy of comparison with the T415.

The SJ20 is about the same size as the S360, about the same price, and has about the same features.

The SJ20 isn't the same size, isn't the same price, and lacks many of the T415's features.

The S360 was clearly the device to compare it with.

Who cares?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 6:42:37 PM #
Feel free to compare it to a WinXP notebook if you wish, why not?

I do think it's worth looking at the S360, T415, and the new SJ20 if you're looking for a budget PDA. All have their unique pro's and con's, and each person will have a different set of priorities. For myself, the SJ20 is a significant improvement over both.

RE: Comparing it to the S360? Nonsense.
prodigy @ 4/25/2003 7:57:37 PM #
.............here's comparing my SJ20 to jar of peanut butter I see sitting on the counter. The Peanut butter tastes better and was far cheaper. The SJ20 seems to beat peanut butter at absolutely everything else, though.......

wes

Windows NT?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 1:59:31 AM #
Does the SONY support hooking up to Windows NT? I was under the impression one needs a serial port and that the USB would not work.
RE: Windows NT?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 6:32:43 AM #
The Windows NT 4.0 OS does not support USB. Only Windows 2000 and later have USB support built-in.

MCP, NT WS 4.0, Server 4.0, Server in the Enterprise 4.0 (and can't get an IT job. Doh!)

RE: Windows NT?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 9:06:17 AM #
Built in USB started with Win98
RE: Windows NT?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 11:10:57 AM #
Can't you buy a serial cable and connect a Sony model that way? I've never tried this but I remember people saying you can. You need to use Palm's version of the desktop software, not Sony's because it depends on USB. Anyone tried to do this and can report on real world experience?

Color PEG-SJ30

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 10:34:35 AM #
Hi Ed:
I have a brochure of the color PEG-SJ30. The size is the same as SJ20 but pearly silver in color. Here're the specs.
1. 71.8mm(W) x 104.0mm(H) x 16.8mm(D)
2. 139g incl. stylus
3. 320 x 320 pixel
4. 16 bit 65,536 color
5. TFT with backlight
6. Palm OS 4.1
8. 16MB DRAM/4MB ROM
9. Dargonball VZ 33MHz
RE: Color PEG-SJ30
Ed @ 8/27/2002 11:20:14 AM #
Sony has already announced the SJ30 in Australia so you can read all about it here:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=4004

About all that's left to know is when it will be available in other countries.

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RE: Color PEG-SJ30
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 1:48:49 PM #
Hi Ed:
Can you do a battery test between SJ30 and T665C?

SL-10 Comments

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 11:36:47 AM #
I upgraded from an original PalmPilot Pro, and decided to buy an SL-10 instead of the SJ-20. The majoe deciding factor - batteries. I use my palm (uh, now I mean Sony) a fair bit, and can say that with the SL-10 (no backlight), I get about 2 weeks of solid office use out of them. I've noticed that accessing the memory stick throws the battery life in the scupper, but other than that, I'm happy. I like the fact I can use my Radio Shack rechargeables and just swap them out when their shot. Try that with the SJ-20.

I do have some comments on the author's review. Personally, I think the screen is famazing. (the f is there deliberately, if you get the meaning). The doubled resolution (coming from an original Palm Pro) is simply astounding. I look at my wife's Palm 500 and laugh. She paid more and got a lot less. With the high res downloadable fonts, my primary use (Docs to Go), and the occasional e-book are simply very, very readable. I'm using my Palm (there I go again. I mean Sony) in an office environment, and I've never wanted a brighter screen. There are six of us here with PalmOS type devices - a Handspring, 2 Palm Vs, and now three Sony SL-10s. That's right. After I bought mine, two of the other diehard Palm Pro users (we basically had only used the basic Palm functions before) went out and immediately upgraded. You can actually do rudimentary reference work out of spreadsheets and presentations, which we find invaluable. Not one of us thinks the backlight is useful for anything. Well, maybe if you're using it in the dark...

The only drawback to high res is when you upon an application like Datebk5 that isn't. It looks like pure hell. So poor, in fact, that I quit using it. It's worthless without high-res. If someone knows how to get high res support, please post as a tip, and I'd be ecstatic.

Also, I like the flip over protector. It's nice that's it's attached, and as a bonus, it's detachable if you wish. The size is a lot smaller than my original Palm, and I find it fits perfectly in my hand, and is much more comfortable to use than my original Palm. That said, the stylus sucks. I had a Cross stylus (you've seen it, has a pen on the other end...) which was a joy to use, but it's simply to fat to put in the Sony.

I have a 128Mb memory stick, and find access is glacial when moving things to it from my desktop. Using Docs-to-Go or PalmReader, I've never noticed a delay, which is I suppose the highest praise. Be warned though, that d/l's will take eons.

Before I get to my summary, please keep in mind that I have no use for color, and I don't listen to music. I'm using this simply as a fancy datebook/calendar, and now as a document viewer as well.

So, here's my summary: personally, after a lot (and I mean a lot) of research, I decided to go with the Sony because there simply isn't another black and white handheld that can compete. Palm doesn't make anything, and neither does Handspring. I've never seen an Acer, so I can't comment there. The high res screen just seals the deal.

I do have a few small complaints that keep the Sony from being perfect: memory stick speed (ok in use though), and stylus.

High points: Screen (!), no recharge (definitely a strike against the SJ-20 in my opinion), plenty of memory, memory stick slot, size, flip protector, and price. I purchased mine at BestBuy for $149, with a $25 mail in rebate, and another $25 free cash card, meaning my total price was about $99. I don't know when the sale is over, but show me another PDA with all these features for $99.

Keep in mind that these are just my rather long winded opinions, and you're more than welcome to disagree.

Thanks. And please let other people know what you're opinions are!


RE: SL-10 Comments
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 3:13:19 PM #
Quite a thorough review, I think the screen is the only thing holding me back from buying a T415 at these reduced prices... Thanks for the review!

Strength of IR Port?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 7:39:32 PM #
I was just wondering how strong the IR Port on the SJ-20 was relatively speaking (I realize that is not enhanced, I'm just trying to figure out whether to buy the T-415 or SJ-20). Thanks!

No SL or SJ-series in Japan?

Palm_Otaku @ 8/27/2002 8:17:37 PM #
I find it interesting that if you go to the Japanese Clie site (http://www.sony.jp/CLIE/index_pc.html) you'll see the T400 still being offered for sale, but that the SL10, SJ20 and SJ30 aren't.

Anyone care to speculate why that is? (And is it possible that they've got an improved screen in the T400??)

RE: No SL or SJ-series in Japan?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2002 1:20:25 PM #
Cheapness doesn't sell for products from Sony. I think people in Japan like to see great products with break-throughs from Sony, not cheap ones with the same kind of functions.
RE: No SL or SJ-series in Japan?
Ed @ 8/28/2002 3:25:23 PM #
The SJ20 was announced yesterday in Japan. It will be available on September 14.

I asked Eugene, PIC's unofficial Tokyo correspondent, about the SL10 and SJ20 and he said no one releases monochrome handhelds in Japan any more. Apparently, Japan has reached the point where a handheld has to be color in order to sell well.

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SJ20 in Europe/Germany

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/3/2002 3:56:42 AM #
There is no sign of the SJ20 here in Germany. Amazon.de lists the SL10 and the SJ30 but not the SJ20.

sony.de announced the SL10 and the SJ30 but not the SJ20.

I wonder if the SJ20 will be released in Europe?

RE: SJ20 in Europe/Germany
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/10/2002 11:55:13 AM #
Same here! No mention of this beautiful device anywhere in Germany. It sounds like the device that I have been looking for (I dont like the SL10 display!).
Sony, please bring the SJ20 to Europe!
RE: SJ20 in Europe/Germany
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/12/2002 3:45:37 AM #
This site in UK takes Pre-Orders for the SJ20.
But they don't give a release date.

www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=PEG-SJ20

When will the SJ20 hit Canadian shelves?

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/5/2002 6:47:40 PM #
I was wondering when the SJ20 will hit Canadian shelves? The sonystyle.ca doesn't list it available for sale yet. Does anyone have a clue?
RE: When will the SJ20 hit Canadian shelves?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/7/2002 7:28:12 PM #
As of September 6, both the SJ20 (C$299.99) and SJ30 (C$499.99) are listed at the sonystyle.ca site and I've been told that the SJ20 should be available in local store like Business Depot within the next two weeks.

USB Slave or master ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/21/2002 6:51:42 AM #
Hi,

I was wondering weather the SJ-20/10 have a USB slave or a master ? If its a slave then i cant use it to do anything other than sync (right ?) if its a master, then i probably could add more devices like a usb modem / keyboard etc and control them using the Clie.

56k-MODEM connected directly (by cable) to SJ20?

ausserer @ 10/9/2002 12:56:50 PM #
I am actually a -satisfied- S5-Epoc-user, but IŽd like to change to PALM-OS-System (sorry Psion!)...

I used to check my emails with the Series5... (fast connection... no window-uploading like on DOS-computers...)
-is it possible to connect a modem via cable directly to the sj20?

my other curiosity:
-how do apps like wordthink work with the higher resoulucion ?

thanks and compliments for the complete reviews...

RE: 56k-MODEM connected directly (by cable) to SJ20?
ausserer @ 10/10/2002 3:17:13 AM #
you psion-user got NO IDEA!
incredible...
the programs name is wordsmith and not wordthink...


best buys

bg809 @ 10/11/2002 9:49:34 AM #
i have one sj20 and would like to get a second
i thought i saw one for 149.00 but can not recall where any thoughts

want to who has the best price on sony sj20 i thought i saw it some where for 149.00
RE: best buys
prodigy @ 4/25/2003 8:02:35 PM #
ironically.......... I saw it listed for$149.99 at Best Buy (the store)

wes

Compatability Issues

jonathanoz @ 12/7/2002 2:14:29 PM #
The sales brochures for Sony PDA's make it very clear that their PDA's are not necessarily compatible with various software and hardware. Clearly, something with a different type of expansion slot (other than memory sticks) has problems, but does anyoneknow of specific software incompatibilities. In particular, I'm concerned with Pocket QUicken and so forth. Generally speaking, is compatibility on the software side a very serious issue?

SJ20 in a jeans pocket

nevespaulo @ 2/10/2003 6:50:18 PM #
If I use it in my jeans front pocket will every one think I'm happy? :)

I've just lost my Visor Edge, I loved to be able to walk around with it in my front jeans pocket. It was really slick. I see that the sj20 is a lot thicker, but it is also smaller. Would I walk around with it?

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