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Last week came word that SonyStyle Japan had begun listing the NR series as discontinued. Over the weekend, alert reader Kit Leung pointed out that the site has stopped listing these models altogether. It seems likely Sony will announce a replacement in the next few weeks. -Ed

Kyocera began showing off its 7135 this summer but hasn't announced a release date more detailed than "fall". This may be drawing close as the company has put this smartphone on its main home page and has a full description about it. -Jim

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7135 looks really good.

Strider_mt2k @ 9/23/2002 9:08:44 AM #
It's about the only thing that could get me to jump ship from Palm right now.


strider_mt2k@yahoo.com

High Resolution
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 9:13:47 AM #
From what I've read when they say "high resolution" they mean the standard 160x160. It's "high resolution" as far as a phone goes, though.
RE: 7135 looks really good.
Ed @ 9/23/2002 9:17:04 AM #
Right, the 7135's screen is 160 by 160. I think you have it right, Kyocera means it is high resolution compared with most mobile phones.

If you are interested in this model and haven't read this review, I recommend it highly:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3729

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RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 9:41:46 AM #
That 7135 description has been on Kyocera's site forever...
RE: 7135 looks really good.
alanh @ 9/23/2002 9:49:35 AM #
Does anyone know what type of expansion card the 7135 uses? Is it SD/MMC or MemoryStick?

-alan

RE: 7135 looks really good.
alex_mathews @ 9/23/2002 10:09:25 AM #
The expansion card slot is SD/MMC with SDIO support.

RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 10:15:55 AM #
Must...have....7135....NOW!
RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 11:49:07 AM #
GPS support - very nice:)
RE: 7135 looks really good.
gellmanb @ 9/23/2002 11:58:16 AM #
I need to make a couple of corrections to the First Impression I posted a while back.

1. You can set the flip to answer phone on open, but not to hang up on close.

2. Text entry by the phone's keypad does NOT use predictive text entry. I apparently dreamed that or something. So to get the first four letters of Gellman you can't just hit 4355 (that's GDJJ) but have to hit 4 33 555 555. Too bad. The problem I mentioned with entering numbers by toggling the #key is gone, though.

3. The screen is even better than I thought on first impression. I find it works pretty well even in direct sunlight (by holding at the right angle to reflect) and is bright enough to be quite visible in indirect sunlight.

More in full review to come.

RE: 7135 looks really good.
Token User @ 9/23/2002 12:04:32 PM #
GPS support - very nice:)

Actually, its better than GPS support (in urban area anyway) ...

It is aGPS, with the a standing for "assisted". The cool part is that it uses the cell tower location to get a list over the air of satelites that should be visable then polls those for the actual position - which means acquiring the location is theoretically faster. A lot of the location processing is actually offloaded to the backend (carrier network). Downside is that the celphone needs to have a carrier signal.

This was implemeented as part of the E911 initiative.

Very cool - and I hope lots of apps start to take advantage of it :).

RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 1:21:38 PM #
That sucks, you can't hang up on close. Is it possible to a hack could be created that will do this? other than that I want one ASAP. I called Kyocera they are still saying Nov or Dec in time for the holidays.
RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 1:34:22 PM #
Ed,

I know you cannot keep track of all the news strories you have posted (which has to be hundreds, if not thousands) and that no one is perfect but just a little FYI: that link you referenced in the Kyocera story is the same link/page that Kyocera put up when they announced the 7135 this summer (you actually linked to that page in your original story on the 7135). Also, the 7135 is not exclusively featured on Kyocera's homepage www.kyocera-wireless.com . The phone featured on that homepage is a random selection between the 7135 and another phone or two and has been that way for the past couple of weeks. It changes constantly and can best be demonstrated by hitting the "refresh" button on your browser. I know it was an honest mistake but just thought I'd let you know. Keep up the good work!


RE: 7135 looks really good.
CleverClaire @ 9/23/2002 2:27:14 PM #
I just saw a 7135 in person! I was leaving my building that we share with Verizon and ran into a data manager who was using it. She stopped and let me play with it for a few minutes.

Note:

1) it is plenty bigger than my cell phone. Although not as wide or tall as my 515, it is much thicker. Maybe double the depth of my 515. I think it is comperable to the Treo although I didn't have one to compare it to. I do think it is a little thicker than the Treo.

2) Screen - looked pretty good. 160x160 but the size was small - like a Treo. Very similar to the Treo's screen. It had makeup and grease on it from use. That might be a hastle. We took it outside and it was much harder to read than my 515, but much better than my Samsung A500.

3) Graffiti area is smaller than usual, but easy to write on. There is a phone button that replaces the calculator button on the silk-screen. From there you see a "phone" menu that has a top half that give you the time etc... and a bottom section with things like "phone book" "Options" etc... that you can scroll through using the up/down rocker.

I said I wasn't totally sold on the combined machine yet and she said she loved it. She said she puts it on speaker when she wants to use it as a palm while on the phone. She said the size was ok in practice since she was able to ditch her old palm. However, she did admit that she grabbed her husband's phone over the weekend because "it is heavy and I didn't want to carry around a very expensive phone all weekend."

She said Verizion will have it in November for $500-$600 - no firm price decision yet.

Looked pretty good - just kind of big/bulky for a phone. If you want a phone centric palm, this may be a great choice. But if you want a cutting edge palm, Tungsten/Sony will be your top choice this winter.

RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 2:48:01 PM #
this is a good size comparison. It is smaller than the treo, but slightly thicker. From the people who have had the opportunity to test one they say it is solid, makes the treo feel like a toy.
RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 2:49:28 PM #
forgot the link for size comparison:

http://forums.pdabuzz.net/attachment.php?postid=273968

RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 2:50:19 PM #
I like the Kyocera, but for the size and weight factor, I might wait until Dec and opt for the Samsung i500. I can live without the mp3 capability. I only wish the samsung had a sd/mmc slot like its cousing the i600 smartphone. The samsung is going to be running a faster processor as well as being $100 cheaper.
RE: 7135 looks really good.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 2:53:23 PM #
As far as being big bulky for a phone CleverClaire, try putting your phone on top of you 515 and then tell me which one is bulky. PDA/phone combinations aren't for everyone, but after having a Treo I don't know if I could go back to two devices again.
RE: 7135 looks really good.
Token User @ 9/23/2002 6:33:41 PM #
Comparing thickness on the Kyocera 7135 to a Palm m515 is only really fair if you are trying to describe the unit in reference to something we might be familiar with ... if you are being critical, comparing the size and weight of the 7135 to a m515 stacked on top of a Nokia 3390 (or a T68 stacked on top of a Tungsten/T) might be better :)



RE: 7135 looks really good.
CleverClaire @ 9/24/2002 9:45:12 AM #
Just a couple of quick replys:

"As far as being big bulky for a phone CleverClaire, try putting your phone on top of you 515 and then tell me which one is bulky."

Ok. But the 515 isn't a cell phone. The 7135 is. Granted it is also a palm, but the question is does it make a good cell phone?

"if you are being critical, comparing the size and weight of the 7135 to a m515 stacked on top of a Nokia 3390"

Again, not my point. I carry my 515 in a pocket or purse and clip my tiny A500 on my belt. I don't stack them up. I very much see the benefit of having only one device in my pocket. But how functional is the "phone" and how functional is the "pda."

If a phone has a built in TV, DVD player and VCR it has a lot of neat functionality. However, it would be the size of a laptop computer. That may be smaller than a TV + a VCR + a DVD player to carry. But it is still to big to be useful as an everyday cell phone. Can you picture me holding my laptop up to my ear???? lol

The comparison was not meant to be critical, just to point out that it is significantly bigger than modern cell phones and that may be a trade-off that some people will not want to make. I was just reporting the facts.

Thanks for your posts,

Claire

I bet Sony will....

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 9:11:10 AM #
release the new model before the weekend in Japan.
Days, not weeks
Foo Fighter @ 9/23/2002 9:35:19 AM #
>> "It seems likely Sony will announce a replacement in the next few weeks."

If Sony has already ceased listing the NR series, I would bet money they will announce new models within the next few days. Especially considering all the press Palm is getting with Tungsten|T.

Whatever Sony has up its sleeve...you can expect it to be a show stopper!

Fortuitious
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 9:46:19 AM #
Well I for one hope we start seeing some more info about the new palm OS models.

I think releasing news early is a two way street, the current main stream thought is that new model news will slow down current sales... but in my case I am on the other side, no news about the new models means I am looking at the palm OS compeition.

With the seeming stagnate news about palm 5.0 and models (from all companies)and solid specs, I have been tempted in a large way for the Toshiba 550G. I have been without a PDA for a couple weeks (damn my feeble grip)and I have to make a decision soon...

So really, I hope that some news starts to come out.


RE: Days, not weeks
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 10:00:34 AM #
I for one will bet that built-in Bluetooth will ultimately be Palm's trump card. Hopefully Sony will see this and get the picture.
RE: I bet Sony will....
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 11:22:44 AM #
I for one have been without my M500.
I am so tempted right now to get the E310 from Toshiba, but well, Sony better dammit get something good out for me or i'll switch to PPC.

palm offical release?

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 10:05:15 AM #
geek.com has a source that says palm will be offically announce the zire and tungsten line today

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Sep/bpd20020923016437.htm

RE: palm offical release?
Ed @ 9/23/2002 10:16:20 AM #
As I understand it, Palm is going to announce the Tungsten and Zire brands today, not the new models. Basically, it is going to lay out its marketing strategy, probably with some vague descriptions of models.

Check the C|net article:
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-958871.html?tag=cd_mh

I saw the C|net article over the weekend but decided to wait until the actual announcement to say anything about it, mostly because we all already know most of what they are going to say because we've had an advance look at all the models. I'm hoping they will have something new to add.

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Slashdotting

ahecht @ 9/23/2002 10:40:01 AM #
Hehe, sorry about that Ed.

RE: Slashdotting
Ed @ 9/23/2002 10:43:14 AM #
I'm not complaining; being Slashdotted is a great way to draw attention to the site. Feel free to do it with anything you think is important enough but I'd appreciate it if you would warn us so we can be ready. You saw what Ryan did to keep our server from being overwhelmed. He can do that for any article, if he knows to expect a deluge of hits from Slashdot. Just drop a note to webmaster@palminfocenter.com

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RE: Slashdotting
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 12:18:29 PM #
Being a regular slashdot reader and PIC reader I totally missed the "welcome slashdotter..." message until somebody mentioned on /. The funniest comment "how do we slashdot them now?". If everybody does this we'll never be able to slashdot anyone. ;)


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I.M. Anonymous @ 9/23/2002 12:02:23 PM #
"MapViewer 2.0 Europe covers all countries except Ireland and Finland..." and of course except all Middle-Eastern Europe...
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