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Early this year, Handspring's CEO Donna Dubinsky said her company would be switching its primary focus from making Visor handhelds to making Treo smartphones. It took a big step in this direction this week, changing the main focus of its marketing efforts from selling its products in retail stores to selling them through wireless carriers. This process has already begun with the Treo 300. Sprint is in charge of marketing this new CDMA smartphone, not Handspring. The company plans will make similar deals in the future with other wireless carriers.
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That's a 20% reduction

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 8:57:23 AM #
You forgot to mention that's a 20% reduction in the workforce.

It's only a matter of time before Handspring goes kaput.


Missing the Point
Ed @ 9/26/2002 8:59:45 AM #
As I said in the article, this is not a typical layoff like companies do when they can no longer afford to pay some of their employees. Instead, Handspring has made a significant change to the way the company works and no longer needs these employees. Continuing to employ a large marketing team would be pointless because Handspring has found a way to get other companies to do the work for them.

Instead of Handspring marketing its products, the wireless carriers will. The carriers have a lot more money and a lot more experience marketing phones. I think this is already paying off. If you have been paying attention, you should have noticed the Treo 300 in some Sprint TV ads. Running TV advertising is something I don't think Handspring has ever been able to afford.

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RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 9:47:00 AM #
Handspring won't be able to compete in the phone buisness. Heck if the man who invented the palm can't compete in the handheld buisness what chance to they have in cell phones.
RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 10:05:43 AM #
I disagree. As a product, the PDA is at maturity. Sure, you can converge other gadgets into it like an MP3 player, a camera, etc. but at the end of the day those are going to be expensive propositions especially when your competition is Sony.

As a communicator company, they can still write some of the rules and come out with innovative handsets and platforms. The margins are also going to be better because there will be corporate customers looking to use innovative wireless solutions. Plus having partners like Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile and Cingular will help in the long run to lower or remove some costs like distribution and marketing. Overall, this is not a bad idea so long as they can come out with a successor to the current Treo line which is now almost a year old.

RE: That's a 20% reduction
Doo @ 9/26/2002 10:06:11 AM #
Nokia, the biggest cell phone maker, does the same thing. If it's a good product the carrier will stock it, and people will buy it. Put a Sprint sticker on it and call it a Sprint phone. The drooling masses don't care who makes it as long as they get there pretty colors and neeto beep tones.

RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 10:07:19 AM #
>It's only a matter of time before Handspring goes >kaput.

I've been reading about Handspring's demise for a year on this forum, and yet, there they are...alive and kicking. I hope I live as long after I'm pronounced dead.


RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 10:09:04 AM #
I understand the Handera is also out of the PDA business. They are back to doing consulting work. That only leaves Palm and Sony and really Palm should just quite while its behind.

Amazing how the most inovative 2 years ago (Handera and Handspring) are the biggest losers today. And at least Handera is selling phones, WTF the clowns in Iowa are gonna do is anyones guess. Nice job leaving all the 330 users holding the bag with a POS unsupported unit.

RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 10:52:49 AM #
Handspring is living on borrowed time right now. If you don't believe that fine, but look how many of their customers they've upset over the handheld fiasco. Upset customers don't usually continue their loyalty. Handspring probably had the most loyal customers too. Shame on you Jeff for letting us down. At least you made a few bucks off of me.
RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 11:04:01 AM #
If Handspring dies, I squarely blame all of you. They NEED revenue. Help them out, and quit the bickering.
RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 11:11:16 AM #
> If Handspring dies, I squarely blame all of you. They NEED revenue.

If you truly believe this. Sell all of your belongings and join the Handspring Commune. Maybe, Donna might hire you for janitorial services at Handspring.

It's not the consumer's job to provide corporate welfare, especially when the top management are living high-and-mighty on the expense account and waiting to exercise their golden parachute$.

RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 11:37:21 AM #
I NEED them to Produce something I WANT, which isn't a Cell Phone. So no they won't get anymore of my support.
RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 1:33:18 PM #
I agree, Handspring is both looking at a big loss in customer loyalty (I bought a VDX, then a VPRO, and now will likely go Sony for future PDA's), and they are looking a stiff competition. They have a minimal presence outside of the US, where Nokia will chew them up in Europe and Sony, etal, will chew them up in Asia. Too bad, so sad.

A company that gets people to buy into the Springboard concept, then leaves them hanging, that builds SD devices that don't have full SD function, is not a company that has read Dale Carnegie's book and that flaw will do them in. Nokia sells a lot of phones here, and Sony sells a lot of PDA's here. They not only can beat them locally, they can beat them here on their home turf.

RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 1:44:08 PM #
"I understand the Handera is also out of the PDA business. They are back to doing consulting work."

You're going to have to fire your information sources.
They never left doing the consulting work for starters. And as far as PDA work, they still have a bun or two in the oven.

"Nice job leaving all the 330 users holding the bag with a POS unsupported unit."

Troll. The same level of Support that's always been there for the 330, remains there. And the 330 owners still have a PDA that can do things no other PalmOS PDA can do (for the moment). Granted the rest are catching up.

Stop passing FUD as fact.

RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 2:20:24 PM #
is someone telling me that 20% of those poeple working in handspring are marketing people ?? good god .. no wonddeer they suck
RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 4:23:14 PM #
> Granted the rest are catching up.

Catching up, how? Most people don't need a CF slot. It's nice to think of HandEra as the underdog company with the killer product, but you know that isn't realistic. BTW, Samsung manufactured the 330. Big companies always win.

Hamdspring Can Bite Me!
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 2:18:46 AM #
After shelling out plenty of bucks on handhelds and modules over the past 3 or so years, Donna's comments that Handspring will essentially junk the Springboard and Visor line really pissed me off. Screw them then - I went out and got a Sony T665 and couldn't be happier.

This newest news may postpone the funeral, but they already lost me and who knows how many others. They'll have to come out with a pretty awesome product for me to even think of giving them another dime!

RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 7:28:12 AM #
Handspring's new business is going OUT of business.

Hawkins and Dubinsky aren't so great after all.... Hmmm.

RE: That's a 20% reduction
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 8:36:33 AM #
> that builds SD devices that don't have full SD function

They added SDIO to the Treo 90 last week:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=4172

Handspring backflips

sandbuck @ 9/26/2002 11:00:42 AM #
According to the the article two stories below, the i500 is the same size as the smallest "non-smart" clamshell phones for sale right now. I think Handspring has done a handspring right into the big kid's playground. Sasung, Kyocera and the like are going to gring Handspring into a very smooth pate. This is going to be tough to watch.

RE: Handspring backflips
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 10:46:11 AM #
I thought Handspring was nuts abandoning the "vertical market" niche where they were kicking the heck out of everyone (you want a special purpose handheld device? Why bother... build a Springboard and plug it in a Visor... and put the module on the market as well, pick up a little extra cash). and diving into the intensely competitive cellphone market.

I still think they're nuts.

They had 10% of the handheld market sewn up, no matter what anyone else did they couldn't compete with the ease of Springboard module design. Why play "bet the company"?

RE: Handspring backflips
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/28/2002 12:18:18 PM #
Why play "bet the company"?

Because they never turned a profit selling Visors. They still have yet to turn a profit. At least by changing focus, they've convinced their investors that they're trying new avenues. Time will tell whether the Treo will save them or not.

Compeition is tougher, not easier

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 11:46:12 AM #
> As a communicator company, they can still write
> some of the rules and come out with innovative
> handsets and platforms.

That is true, but the competition gets a lot tougher going against Nokia, Sony Ericsson, etc. than against Palm and PocketPC PDA's.

IMO, most of the communicator sales will go to the slimmer phones with PDA functions, like that snazzy new Sony Ericsson coming out late 2K2 running Symbian.

Personally, I think they should try these new devices but still have traditional PDA form factor models. I guess they still do, but it seems there will be no new such models coming from them.

I certainly am not counting them out, but I think they have some real challenges ahead. Hopefully they'll be up to it!

RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 11:51:34 AM #
> Hopefully they'll be up to it!

I wouldn't get my hopes up. Management wasn't "up to it" in the PDA market. If Handspring management believes they can compete against the behemoths like Nokia, Ericcson, et. al. then they are deluding themselves. They will have their heads handed back to them on a platter.


Is it really tougher?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 12:43:06 PM #
There are differences between the PDA and communicator or phone market that are in Handspring's favor. First, the number of units sold in the PDA market are in the millions. The number of units sold in the phone/communicator market are in the hundreds of millions. If they manage to get 2% of that market they are going to make more money than if they sold 30% of the PDA market - it's all about volume.

Second, they know a lot about data devices and use a platform (Palm) that already has a large following and developer community. Symbian failed as a PDA platform, so why all of sudden is that a threat?

Third, what did Handspring have to do to add phone functions to the PDA? Not much considering that there were already phone chip sets available from the likes of TI, etc. So with that solution solved the only area where Handspring had to focus was on data - their strength. On the other hand (pardon the pun), phone manufacturers still have to learn to make their devices more like PDA's - something that they have not done successfully to date and something they still have to learn.

Finally, most of the competition in the phone market (Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola) also sell infrastructure equipment in addition to handsets. That divides their resources away from handsets where Handspring will focus.

Long term, I do not expect Handspring to vault into the top 5. I'm sure that they'll be happy to supply a single digit percentage of a huge market. But I do expect them to survive in the communicator market much the same way that Apple survived in the PC market against much bigger competition - IBM, Dell, Gateway, HP, Compaq, Sony, Toshiba, Hitachi, etc.

RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 1:10:19 PM #
-The cellphones maybe sold by the millions, but so far "smartphones" are a big flop.

-HS doesn't have all the piece to make smartphone as a data entwork. (server, the physical network, enterprise support service, etc)

-They are stuck with OS4.1 as a smartphone OS. not much else seen in the new generation to compete with the MS, Symbian alliance, that has already doing market trial for the next generation device.

-If you dont' control infrastructure, you are a bit player. No hope to compete with financial/marketing resource of the big boys.

Hanspring is dead, they don't control the OS, doesn't have key technology, be it enterprise data infrastructure, nor they make the most stylish phones out there.

They just hanging on to Treo and hope to milk it before it's dead by next year.

RE: What about Handera?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 1:41:52 PM #
What are your views on Handera and thier position? After a succesful launch for the TRGPro they built up a loya (fanatical) following and the TRGPro for its time was a great product. However since their name change to Handera the slid downhill. The H330 was a decent effort but, butt UGLY, way too large, used propriotary APIs and screen resoloution, was never updated to OS4.0 and lacked color. So what is up with them? As a Handera 330 I am a bit upset Handera has not said a word nor released any updates for my unit since last year.

I bought the H330 mostly due to the great experience I had with the TRGPro and the capabilities of the machine. However, I have had to return 2 units to Handera under waranty (1 for screen, 1 for cracking plastic) and my experiences lately is that many programs are not working properly due to the proprietary nature of the H330's API and lack of an OS upgrade. So I feel like this thing is DEAD and Handera just says they will post any updates on thier website. What a differance from the helpful TRG days. I have been looking at just dumping the H330 and getting a Clie but I keep hearing that OS4.0 will be released along with a posible color OS5.0 machine. What should I do?

RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 2:05:55 PM #
-The cellphones maybe sold by the millions, but so far "smartphones" are a big flop.

Big flow? They've been around for how long? With color screens for how long? Had a 144 kb service go back them up for how long? How can you say they are a big flop when the market is just in the top of the 1st inning?


- HS doesn't have all the piece to make smartphone as a data entwork. (server, the physical network, enterprise support service, etc)

Do they need all of this? Motorola out sold Qualcomm in CDMA phones while Qualcomm owned the licenses to the technology. I guess Microsoft, Dell and company need to pack it up in the PC business because they don't all all of the data network on the Internet.


-They are stuck with OS4.1 as a smartphone OS. not much else seen in the new generation to compete with the MS, Symbian alliance, that has already doing market trial for the next generation device.

OS5.0 came out, what 3 months ago tops. Using you logic, Plam who wrote OS5.0 and owns the technology still doesn't have a 5.0 device of any kind out yet. Besides, what does the OS have to do with it? Smartphones are about what you can do not about what OS you run. I guess I'm totally out of touch here since I'm on the web using Win 98 while the world has upgraded immediately to 2K, ME and XP. Being 3 versions behind must spell doom for me.


-If you dont' control infrastructure, you are a bit player. No hope to compete with financial/marketing resource of the big boys.

Ericsson is all but done in infrasturcture. Motorola is irrelevent. Micorsoft has no infrastructure in wireless. I guess they have no chance either.

RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 2:21:29 PM #
Oh, and I forgot something. Didn't Qualcomm invest $50 Million in Handspring earlier this year? I guess that bodes badly for them in the infrastructure department.
More food for thought...
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 2:24:04 PM #
Why is it that Sprint PCS wanted an exclusive for the CDMA Treo when their only competition for CDMA is Verizon? Why do that with a company that will be long gone by next year?
RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 2:28:42 PM #
Cause its Cheap you MORON. You think there are 100 offers from manufacturers at HandSprings door?
RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 2:43:41 PM #
-They've been around for how long? With color screens for how long? Had a 144 kb service go back them up for how long? How can you say they are a big flop when the market is just in the top of the 1st inning?

It's a big flop. look the number "by model", even by series or by "OS". it's peanuts. Current treo is just a phone, not particualrly good at it too mind you, with some organizer attach to it. There is no killer app yet. (no organizer and that expensive email is not a killer app)

>-I guess Microsoft, Dell and company need to pack it up in the PC business

if you want to sell a smartphoen with enterprise networking feature. than you got to have the piece. Otherwise youa re entering the consumer market, than you have to compete with price, style gimmick, and cute feture, which Handspring doesn't have any. (mp3? SD? tiny size? good price? can you say kyochera?)

> OS5.0 came out, what 3 months ago tops. Using you logic, Plam who wrote OS5.0 and owns the technology still doesn't have a 5.0 device of any kind out yet.

give it another 3 months, Hanspring still wont' come out with next generation treo. In fast pace, short lived PDA/smartphone market, 3 months will kill ya. (and please, Palm Inc making a phone? what a joke)


>Besides, what does the OS have to do with it?

Exactly my point isn't it? Palm OS is stagnate. It cannot come up with killer app that make owning a smartphone worthwile beside just a phone glued to an organizer. (youth market for eg: game, music, entertainment, all that cannot be done on current OS without a massive tweak. and no, B/W tetris and solitaire aren't good enough anymore)


> Ericsson is all but done in infrasturcture. Motorola is irrelevent. Micorsoft has no infrastructure in wireless. I guess they have no chance either.

-Ericcson doesn't have a decent next-gen OS. (same problem HS has)
-Motorola has been experiancing design flops (same as HS has)
-MS cannot yet enter phone market and running amock, cause they don't have first tier phone maker (neither is HS) Microsoft has been buying people left and right throwing hundreds of milions of dollar just to get this far. Can HS do that?

in fack HS is all the weakness combined together.

HS will be lucky to be a small player selling a costume made phone for carrier at range of 100-200K unit/yr in the future if they don't goof up yet again. And that's a joke.

RE: HandEra
LarryGarfield @ 9/26/2002 4:29:57 PM #
The H330 was a decent effort but, butt UGLY, way too large, used propriotary APIs and screen resoloution, was never updated to OS4.0 and lacked color. So what is up with them? As a Handera 330 I am a bit upset Handera has not said a word nor released any updates for my unit since last year.

1) Yes, the HandEra Screen API was a proprietary extension. The Sony Screen API was also a proprietary extension, but they also went with a proprietary card format, to boot. Sony out-marketed HandEra. Could any small company compete with that behemoth in terms of marketing dollars? The new PalmSource HighDensity API is the only "non-proprietary" screen API on an OS that is, guess what, proprietary.

2) Companies that talk too much about upcoming products end up with no one buying their current products. See also: Palm and the m505 release.

3) The 330 lacked color from day 1, and you bought it anyway. So did I. It still does all the same things for me, in the same grayscale that I paid for.

4) HandEra released several OS updates for the 330, free of charge. They haven't in a while now, because they're focusing on other matters, but did Palm offer a free upgrade? Not since the OS 3.3 days. Has Sony ever offered a free OS upgrade? No.

You have not been betrayed by HandEra. They're a company in business to make money. You paid for and received a device that you knew everything about (it wasn't ugly enough for you to not buy it, I see) and did exactly what it claimed to do, no more, no less. Now you're upset that they're not offering a clear upgrade path? Would you rather Sony's upgrade path, buy a new device every month for another $400?

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RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 7:32:01 AM #
I think Sony OUTPERFORMED HandEra -- Color, 320 x 480 screens, MP3, small/innovative form factors....

HandEra's only claim to fame was CF and 320 x 240 res -- not even color. Not too impressive compared to what Sony's been doing.

RE: Compeition is tougher, not easier
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 10:06:41 AM #
Well the difference between Handera and Sony is Sony has a clue and the money and vision to back it up. WTF has Handera done in the last 2 years? They had a tremendous lead in the PDA field and went absoloutly no where with it. Further, when Sony does something people care and do something about it. Sony API quickly became the defacto standard, QVGA who cares. CF card not even Palm would back them up on that one. SD card support the dumb asses made the SD port so it does not work with PALM SD acessories, Duh.


The H330 is a POS, with know compatability and company too small and insignificant with no vision backing it up. The units develop screen and speaker problems. The plastic case is known to crack at the stylus and the lack of OS 4.0 is irreprehensible. These guys should have their liscense pulled for that crap. Even HandSpring ponied up for OS 4.1. Anyway I don't know why it even matters or why the 6 guys that bought the POS just don't get with the times and move on to a modern PDA. It seems to me that there are just a few die hard Handera zelots that keep posting crap about a unit that makes up .00001 of the palm market and Larry Garfiels seems to be one of the worst. Either this guy is on thier payroll or has to be the biggest shill of all time.

Finally, yes Handera may have been 1st at many things but they are also the LAST to capitalize on any of those inovations which in my book makes them even bigger losers. I can't wait till Sony just buys Palm and they dump all the excess bagagge.

And in a related story ...

Token User @ 9/26/2002 1:40:07 PM #
the marketing experts on PIC have been hired as consulting partners by Sony, Handspring, Palm, and Handera.

An unnamed marketing director said "This is a great move ... now we can print 'Sony Rocks', 'All UR Base Are Belong Handspring', and 'Palm Suxorz'."

Kyocera and Samsung chose not to join the marketing alliance stating "those morons on PIC have no clue. Cellphone markets and PDA markets aer entirely different. Now that the transitional 3G network capabilities are being brought online, cellphone users are startign to see compelling reasons to upgrade to phones with greater functionality. We are not trying to attract PDA users, we are looking to enhance the experience for the huge userbase of cellphone users that typically upgrade their cellphone every 18 months."

Sony was heard to comment that 18 months is not their preferred upgrade schedule, citing bimonthly product releases as being compelling reasons for the Sony fanboys to upgrade on a more regular basis.

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Sarcasm guys. How many people here work in the cellular space (not just sellnig cellphones in the booth at a mall)? They are different markets.

RE: And in a related story ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 5:42:37 PM #
Does anyone have the slightest idea what this guy is talking about?
RE: And in a related story ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 6:16:46 PM #
I am guessing no, you can tell by seeing nobody bothers to answer him ....
RE: And in a related story ...
Token User @ 9/26/2002 7:03:55 PM #
lol. i think he is saying is that we are all so smart, we should do the marketing for all palmos companies.

ive worked with telcos before (software engineer for handsets) as well. its a different market not pushed by the handset manufacturers, but by the carriers. it is also an area with a lot of possibilities - over the last 12 months the percentage of american households using cellphone rose by 7.9% (source ctia) ... can the same be said of pda users?

Handspring and my Sony NR70V experience

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 3:39:41 PM #
I bought the Sony NR70V and found out that all of its reatures are worthless.

I played MP3 but lets face it I'm 48, and I work.
I played movies but nobody cared after the 10 second wow.
I showed high res pics but nobody cared
I am sick of my family anyway I don't look at pics of my wife, she is a pain in the ass anyway (like for 99%)
My kids don't talk to me anyway

What I need is:

A phone and Palm where I can see the weather, movies, and a browser on the go. The PERFECT thing would be a Treo 320 x 320, with a slot for memory card in case I need to carry a big file.

I sold my NR70V in Ebay and while I am excited about LOOKING at the NX90V coming, I really don't need:

mp3's
movies
high res pics
big screen

I need:

portability
320 x 320
access to email/internet at high speed on the road

Secondary wishes:

memory expansion card
camera?

I believe Handspring will do great with the Treo 400. I wonder when it will be here.

Why put a lot of functionality on a NR70V? While I am next to my computer I don't need it, and on the road I need a Treo like.

RE: Handspring and my Sony NR70V experience
sandbuck @ 9/26/2002 4:23:35 PM #
Hmm.. not sure where to start. You need something designed by Handspring with tech support from Dr. Phil.
RE: Handspring and my Sony NR70V experience
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 8:24:28 PM #
I don't know what to say too, but I believe you should try to solve your family problems first, you life is falling apart, no PDA is going to save you from that.
RE: Handspring and my Sony NR70V experience
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 7:35:35 AM #
Why would you have bought the NR-70 is you don't want anything it offers? It's like someone buying a Bose home theater and complains that he only wants to listen to AM radio not all that Dolby 5.0 surround crap and DVD stuff.
RE: Handspring and my Sony NR70V experience
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/30/2002 5:59:19 AM #
Man can you bitch. 48 years old? Buy a motorcycle, leave your wife and hit the road. Maybe then you will have some excitement in your life and you can use that NR70 well.

"A life spent save and content is wasted.", Samuel Clemens

On the end the market will decide!

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 4:33:11 AM #
On the end it will be the market who decides what will happen with Handspring.

On marketing lessons you could learn such things as: "If you have a perfect product, the distribution (4th "p" in the marketing-mix becomes less important, becouse the product sells by itslf)" ... clearly a perfect product is a dream that is very rarely reached.

BUT: is the Handspring at least a good product? I have a Treo 180 since 6 Month and don't think, that this product has a big future. Donna integrated a product where they clearly have competencies (PDA) with a module from another company. Here they clearly lack of experience. You can see this clearly if you use the Treo for a while having used a cellular phone from an experienced company such as Nokia before.

What are your experience with the Treo?

I am really wondering if they differ from mine!

RE: On the end the market will decide!
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 5:12:17 AM #
I know if I am looking at a Nokia smartphone and a handspring I'll certianly choose the Nokia one. As a consumer who doesn't care what OS runs on the Device, Handspring loses on every way possible.

Treo:
Brand name - Close to none.
Device Sex appeal - Zero
out of box functionality- obviously Nokia's smartphones are more feature packed.

RE: On the end the market will decide!
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 6:02:06 AM #
Some mistakes in the my first post:
1. it is not the distribution, but the communicatin that becomes obsolete! :-)
2. The mentioned third party module is the GSM module.

Fundamentaly there is the choice between the treo a mobile. If I look at this choice with the knowledge and experience of having tryed both, I would say, that the Treo 180 is clearly not a valuable alternative...

Mixed feelings

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 9:46:35 AM #
As a Handspring stockholder I really really want them to succeed.

As a Treo 180 user, I don't give a d*. Their product sucks.

RE: Mixed feelings
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 12:05:45 PM #
Not being a Hanspring Shareholder I don't give a dam about the company, apart my simpathy to palm.

Being an owner of the same treo I am very angry with myself, that I bought it!

RE: Mixed feelings
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/30/2002 1:57:15 AM #
why do you guys hate the treo so much?.. i currently using the treo 180... and i'm loving it... i use it for work to deal with my business reports.. and transfer it over to word and excel ...

as well.. it keeps me update for my business meetings and appointment.. and phone phone feature.. is great especially with the quick dials..

so why do you hate the treo so much?

Loss of support?

mschuyler @ 9/30/2002 3:54:19 PM #
> I NEED them to Produce something I WANT, which isn't > a Cell Phone. So no they won't get anymore of my
> support.

They'll get mine instead. Although in hindsight I wish I'd waited for the color version, to have a Treo with all my Palm stuff PLUS a cell phone in the same small box, is the best thing I've ever done. My "palm" has gone from being a nice thing to have to being indispensable and life-changing. Plus, I can take out the chip and move devices easy as you please. Frankly, I never looked twice at a Visor. Now, Handspring has my attention.

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