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PalmSource, Inc., and Sony Ericsson, today announced their plans surrounding optimization of the Bluetooth interoperability between Sony Ericsson mobile phones and Palm Powered(TM) mobile devices.

The companies released the news at the Cellular Telecommunications Internet Association (CTIA) in Las Vegas. Sony Ericsson is a leading provider of mobile phones enabled with Bluetooth, a short-range wireless connectivity technology invented by Ericsson.

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Tungsten T is a head of the pack

timewaster77 @ 10/17/2002 3:36:48 PM #
I love Sony with their Clie line of PDAs, but the Tungsten T with its built in Bluetooth port is very appealing. I understand that Sony has a Bluetooth card but it is over $200 for me to get it from Expansys. I just hope that all companies of PDAs will jump on the Bluetooth wagon. Maybe one day we will be able to all beam files without using the IR port.

Happy Sony Clie User
RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
Beavis @ 10/17/2002 3:44:54 PM #
I think Bluetooth is really going to take off in consumer electronics.

TV remote controls that can communicate with all of your Audio/Video equipment.

An Apple iPod with built-in bluetooth so you can play all of your songs on the high end stereo without wires, or play your iPod in your car without wires.



RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
Token User @ 10/17/2002 3:57:31 PM #
Hmmmm. BT control of AV gear opens upa whole new world of possibilities.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
ardee @ 10/17/2002 3:59:41 PM #
Without BlueTooth, Sony will be red in the face and have a black eye. (With it, they will have a green thumb.)


RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
levl289 @ 10/17/2002 4:26:15 PM #
BT does not have the bandwidth to transmit CD quality audio. Control the deck, yes, but broadcast the actual signal? no.

You could use 802.11a for that if you REALLY wanted wireless, but you'd need trancievers in all of the components -> $$$

RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
Fammy @ 10/17/2002 4:30:49 PM #
Maybe not transmit CD quality audio, but maybe compressed audio that the receiver decompresses (say MP3, or my new favorite, OGG). Can Bluetooth stream a MP3 fast enough?

_____
Fammy
RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
ahwong999 @ 10/17/2002 4:57:30 PM #
yup. bluetooth is fast enough for mp3. bluetooth has a transfer rate of 1Mbps. though it's onli about 743kbps in reality if i'm not mistaken. normal mp3 is about 128kbps with high qualities one at 320kbps. plenty of room left i guess.

RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
pocketscience @ 10/17/2002 6:52:57 PM #
Except that even 700kbs seems unachievable with the current hardware (SD BT card)... hopefully something like the T|T will be able to raise that considerably...


Cheers,

RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
felixtb @ 10/17/2002 11:46:04 PM #
--->I love Sony with their Clie line of PDAs, but the Tungsten T with its built in Bluetooth port is very appealing. I understand that Sony has a Bluetooth card but it is over $200

First you are right. €200 extra for BT card is steep. But for me the biggest problem with the NX series BT policy is that when in use you have very little memory capablility left. eg: taking a high rez. picture and sending it via your BT enabled phone?? If you are a power user then your builtin 16Mb will be close to choking and the memory stick slot ocupied with BT card That picture will never get taken let alone sent. If on the other hand sony opens up their new CF card slot to memory or make a new wi-fi/BT card for it then the NX series becomes interesting. If not I think that the palm TT has the versatility edge if not all the gadgets built in.

-->palmpilot > palmpilot 1000 > palmIII > palmV > palmVx > palm 505 > ???

ciao,

felix b.

RE: Tungsten T is a head of the pack
Wenda @ 10/21/2002 10:34:16 AM #
Sony will respond to this matter quickly. I believe in it! The NX70V is just the beginning :D

____
Nothing to kill or die for.

Grrr...

derby @ 10/17/2002 5:41:52 PM #
Bluetooth phones aren't going to do me any good unless Sprint starts carrying them.

Come on Sprint!


-- derby

T68 available through AT&T, Cingular Wireless& T Mobile
pdangel @ 10/18/2002 5:19:27 AM #
A Bluetooth phone can become your mobile communications centre, enabling you to wirelessly surf the web on you Bluetooth enabled PDA or laptop, or speak handsfree on the move with a Bluetooth headset.

SonyEricsson Mobile Phones with integrated Bluetooth
http://www.blueunplugged.com/shop/department.asp?Department=1
http://www.ericssonmobilephoneclub.com/

PC World Spotlight on Wireless Phones:
PC World looked at several phones and picked our favorites based on their features, design, and ease of use.

Rank No 1. Sony Ericsson T68i:
GSM 900 MHz/1800 MHz/1900 MHz, 3 ounces, 3.9 by 1.9 by 0.8 inches; up to 7 hours talk time, eight days standby (times are vendor specified), Bluetooth ; available through AT&T Wireless, Cingular Wireless, and T-Mobile.
$200 (with service activation)
866/866-7362
www.sonyericsson.com
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,102869,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,103172,00.asp


"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

RE: Grrr...
Fly-By-Night @ 10/18/2002 5:33:28 AM #
Blimey, your T68i's are expensive. No wonder mobile phone usage in the USA is well below that in Europe. Here's the deal, we'll sell you phones cheap, if you can sell us PDAs cheap! A T68i is $200 cheaper in the UK, but (as seen by the German catalogue), PDAs are about $200 more expensive.

As for using BT in home entertainment, TVCompass in the UK are due to launch a digital TV set top box for around £30 that includes a BT remote control and colour TFT screen -- the control communicates with the box via BT to show adverts, programme listings, quizes, etc. All sounds quite cool. Find out more here: http://www.tvcompass.com/Corporate/home.asp?content=wireless&parent=wireless

FBN

RE: Grrr...
derby @ 10/18/2002 8:58:32 AM #
I guess what I should have said was:

I just renewed my Sprint contract and I really wish that they would start carrying some Bluetooth phones.


-- derby

Bluetooth Online
pdangel @ 10/18/2002 1:22:05 PM #
"...your T68i's are expensive. No wonder mobile phone usage in the USA is well below that in Europe." Am from Europe and i found this article at PCWorld.com. I don't know if the added mobile phone info is up to date Fly-By-Night?

Bluetooth Online
http://www.4cellular.com/search/item_browse.cfm?table=phones&hasbluetooth=true (US)
http://www.ustronics.com/bimborsrchtt3.html (US)


"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

Bluetooth works, and don't forget IR

Chankla @ 10/17/2002 6:29:08 PM #
Palmsource and Ericsson are making this move so that the sale of one device, lowers the decision barrier for purchasing a complementary device. Good Marketing.

However, let's not forget to the opportunity to move cell phones through affinity with the installed Palm Product base (non-SD socket Palms) as well as the future sales of units at lower price points (Zire). Neither of these will be Bluetooth application zones because of cost. Yet lots of people with older Palms make cellphone choices. So allowing them to work with phones over IR is something that Palm should not forget.

Right now I can get my Clie talking to my T68i by bluetooth. However, IR works well also.
Lots of kids out there with the power of 'choice' (spelled DOLLAR). My 15 year old daughter took her birthday money to upgrade to a Nokia phone with IR so it would talk to her Palm. Now she can AOL Instant Message anywhere she goes!

Ericcson - don't forget the IR port...

RE: Bluetooth works, and don't forget IR
Admin @ 10/18/2002 1:02:23 AM #
If I'm not mistaken the Sony Ericsson T68 inlcudes both bluetooth and an IR port.
RE: Bluetooth works, and don't forget IR
huggy @ 10/18/2002 8:00:06 AM #
So you use the Clié with the T68... could you send me your connection script? I have problems getting my clié to establish a gprs session... And I didn't get any info from SonyEricsson...

if you can, please send to hcirici@yahoo.es

Thanks!

-------------- huggy ---------------

Sony...

markgm @ 10/17/2002 6:39:08 PM #
Well, I got the Sony phone, I got the Sony Clie, put them together and they, um, just stare at each other. Maybe once I upgrade to the NX70V, oh, well, maybe after I upgrade in 6 more months to the NY70V! It seems all along my technology upgrades the main problem is both pieces of technology aren't on the same page. I have a laptop with IR, but the Palm Pilots of the day don't. Finally get a Palm that does, and now it's hard to find a laptop with it! Hopefully bluetooth (even with all its faults) will be on all devices so that I don't just get half of the technology!

RE: Sony...
cbulock @ 10/18/2002 12:57:33 AM #
Are you sure about it being hard to find a laptop with infrared. I haven't been looking at laptops in the past 8 months, but I am suprised to hear to even a small number of laptops don't include infrared.

RE: Sony...
mcseym @ 10/18/2002 2:34:26 AM #
I know what you mean about the lack of IR and BT on notebooks. I'm looking to get a notebook, but few have IR and even fewer have BT options - particulary the Sony range! So now I feel stick in the middle trying to get that elusive wireless connectivity.

Sure the options exist on the top dollar models, otherwise you can enjoy a stack of cards, dongles, antenae, hello kitty's etc hanging out the side of the computer.

Cheers

Matt

RE: Sony...
Solo @ 10/18/2002 10:50:11 AM #
HI Matt...

I just bought a Toshiba Satellite Notebook 5100, great machine with a suberb screen and a GForce 4 440 video card. It has integrated Bluetooth and an internal SD Card reader. Obviously it has a FIR port.

Solo

I Dream of Bluetooth

robman @ 10/18/2002 12:53:06 AM #
Things I should be able to do with a Bluetooth-enabled Palm, mobile phone, and PC

- HotSync wirelessly when near my PC with the touch of a button
- HotSync wirelessly when far from my PC with the touch of the *same* button
- Select a contact on my Palm and hit a button to dial them with my phone (already mentioned elsewhere)
- Fully integrate the address books of the Palm and phone, so they are always in sync
- When incoming calls make my phone ring, use caller id data to automatically search my Palm for matching records and display name
- Both my phone and my Palm should "become concerned" and give warning messages if they are out of bluetooth range with one another.
- Surf the web/send recieve email with my Palm through my phone or my PC---whichever is available

As much as I love Palm and understand that all these things are possible, I predict (sadly) that it will be years before any of these features are readily availble 'out of the box' on Palms and phones.

Palm Researcher at the University of Texas at Austin
http://www.edb.utexas.edu/petrosino/pda

RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
cyberdude @ 10/18/2002 1:42:19 AM #
Why so pessimistic with today's announcement (Sony Erisson and Palm)?

RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
cyberdude @ 10/18/2002 1:44:23 AM #
I've got a T68i and can't wait to use it's BT feature along with the Tungsten T. Assuming there is no browser with the s/w bundle, can anyone recommend a browser to download for my new T when I get it? Also, why are so many makers missing the opportunity to integrate BT as a standard feature?
thx cd

RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
Token User @ 10/18/2002 2:14:50 AM #
Hey, I did that between my T68 and a W2K PC using a 3Com USB Bluetooth dongle. Why should it be any different with a Tungsten?

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
mcseym @ 10/18/2002 2:24:45 AM #
I think most of your dream is reality already.

Already people are dialing a number on a BT enabled phone from a BT enabled Clie, then automatically talking via a BT enabled headset. It's all possible but you just have to be willing to spend on the Clie, spend on the BT MemStick, spend on the phone and spend on the headset. That little outfit could cost you $1500!

I think that is the rub with no BT support with the new Clie. I think I'd use the CF slot so nothing against that, its just paying $200 for BT connectivity when a USB dongle only costs $30.

Cheers

Matt

RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
iain.collins @ 10/18/2002 4:02:33 AM #
As much as I love Palm and understand that all these things are possible, I predict (sadly) that it will be years before any of these features are readily available 'out of the box' on Palms and phones.

Inflammatory statement coming up ;-)....I can't say I'm that bothered!

I can do these things (with my TiBook, NR70 and T39m) because I read the manual and because I spent a few minutes looking on the internet for some free ad on software to do some of the work (like map hotsync to a button).

While I agree that it's obviously better for systems to have more elegant interfaces (as someone who's run nothing but GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd desktops for years I love Mac OS X), until people start using their brains and learning how to use the things around them, they will never get the benefits of much of the best of consumer technology - and I for one am happy with that. It's their choice.

I belive that because people are intellectually lazy that doesn't mean those of us who are not as lazy should cover for them all the time.

RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
Doleman @ 10/18/2002 8:11:56 AM #
If only Bluetooth hands free kits were not so expensive.....
I can get my 515 with Bluetooth SD card to dial a number from my Address book with no problem but with a bluetooth handsfree kit, I wouldn't even have to pick the phone up!!!
Text messages are great fun with Bluetooth, ICQ instant messaging is good fun sat on a train or bus as well...
I think we are already capable of living the bluetooth dream.
The new Tungsten T with Bluetooth built in has me drooling.

RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
robman @ 10/18/2002 10:35:15 AM #
To reply in turn:

>cyberdude wrote: "Why so pessimistic with today's announcement (Sony Erisson and Palm)?"

My understanding is that Bluetooth hasn't been nearly as seamless as the hype has promised. For example, see:

http://www.brighthand.com/article/What_Ails_Bluetooth
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,106052,00.asp

>token user wrote: "Hey, I did that between my T68 and a W2K PC using a 3Com USB Bluetooth dongle"

Did what? Any or all of the things I mentioned???

>iain.collins wrote: "I can do these things (with my TiBook, NR70 and T39m)"

Can you literally do ALL of the things I mentioned? How much setup was really required?


Palm Researcher at the University of Texas at Austin
http://www.edb.utexas.edu/petrosino/pda

RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
iain.collins @ 10/18/2002 11:55:54 AM #

Robman:
I can do everything (though I don't actually bother with making a button initiate a Hotsync, that would be trivial, because battery life is finite and when I'm not using it's charging, so I use the button on the cradle - incidentally, isn't that Speaker on the new Clie cradle a great idea? ) as described (really), apart from:


- When incoming calls make my phone ring, use caller id data to automatically search my Palm for matching records and display name


Great idea on integrated devices (like the Treo or XDA) - and already works on them - but not a great idea on two physically separate devices.

This is because to do this would require the unit to be on*all the time, which would give you a ~two hour battery life. There are no solutions to this on the horizon.

Additionaly I suggest it makes much more sense, from the perspective of optimal usability, to look at the phone when deciding who's calling. After all if a user does want to take the call, they will have to go get the phone anyway (and it will be the phone they go for, as it is the 'object' the user is trying to interact with - it will be the one ringing and vibrating for their attention and will be the device that they use if they decided to take the call).

To add to that, personally, I also think I'd be irritated by this feature and want to turn it off, as even if it only occurred if I was already using my Palm, it would kick me out of the application I'm using to display this message, which might cause serious problems if I was doing something imporant, like entering a web based form, or jotting down a really important number.

I think this is a 'cool idea' but not in reality a desirable feature that would be useful and that phones already do this amicably.


- Both my phone and my Palm should "become concerned" and give warning messages if they are out of Bluetooth range with one another.

This doesn't happen at the moment, but this would not be too hard to write (for an example as a toolbar app on a Sony NR70V's virtual toolbar at the bottom of the screen) and could be done in the same fashion as the 'Airport' indicator in Apple's Toolbar....but it begs the question....why?

Bluetooth is for short range networking. You don't need an indicator to tell you if your with in ~20 feet of your phone (or a base station). That is appropriate for 802.11, and although it's absolutely possible with Bluetooth, it's not really relevant on a PDA so no one has bothered. This is also why phones do not have this feature.


As for how hard it was. Well it varies, as I've mentioned below (altenative thread) it's very easy with a Clie due the bundled software, but Palm bundle some more practical applications (like the modified address book where you can just click numbers to dial).

As an unqualified oik, if I can do it, Bubba, the 300 pound trailer trash gorilla can do it to - but I think it's more likely, like a lot of people, he will just look at the two, go 'Uugg, complicated! Me no try! You do it!' and smash them into the floor before turning either of them :-). Which sadly, is what a lot of people will do, even if you make it _really_ easy.

Case in point, I'm passing someone's desk, I never seem them before, they don't know me, they say 'So how I send and receive email?'. I lean over and click the big button on the already open mail window that has a big picture of a mail item and the words "Send And Receive" on it. True.

*I* found it easy and very little setup, but I can't account for lazy people.

Off Topic:

I think the whole complex but clearly necessary (for security/abuse reasons) concept of Bluetooth pairing is going to confuse people for a long time to come, though it's easily explained. People will learn about this when they have to - that is when it becomes a feature of their television remote, MP3 player, phone and PDA and they have no choice, and then it will a skill we all learn, like how use a coffee machine, remembering to always dial 9 from an internal office phone system, and to press the Big Green Button whenever a printer says 'PC Load Letter')).


RE: I Dream of Bluetooth
robman @ 10/19/2002 9:31:34 PM #
iain.collins: Thanks for all your info.

To be more clear, I want my *phone* to display Palm address book data whenever my phone rings. I envision that when a call comes in, my phone initiates a bluetooth conversation with my Palm. I'd be happy if this took as long as 3-4 seconds, which means that the Palm doesn't have to be *on* all the time, just that it has to listen for a bluetooth signal once every 3-4 or so. Maybe I'm off base here, but this doesn't seem like it would require much battery power.

Anyway, your Bluetooth experiences are encouraging. I'll have to check things out now!

-robman

bad sign

mj6798 @ 10/18/2002 3:45:05 AM #
If it requires a special deal between Palm and Sony/Ericsson in order to make the Palm compatible with Bluetooth, then something is wrong. Bluetooth and its associated protocols are supposed to be open.

RE: bad sign
Doleman @ 10/18/2002 8:09:08 AM #
I don't think it is a bad sign at all. I have the Palm Bluetooth SD card and a T68 phone. It took a few minutes to initialy "discover" and "pair" the two items. If this step by Palm and Sony/Ericsonn is designed to make this step easier then I think it is good.
RE: bad sign
iain.collins @ 10/18/2002 8:20:03 AM #
Mmm I agree, I think it's good (though I think it's a bit of PR exercise really [Read on for more] :-).

Having had a m500 with Bluetooth SD Card and a Clie NR70V with Bluetooth MS here are some relevant observations:


Palm:

The Palm offering comes with some really good SMS and Addressbook software that works brilliantly with a BlueTooth Phone, it's great.

I can use a headset and dial the number with the Palm, without having to touch the phone at all. It also comes with a very nice, but stupidly large (1 MB!) Wap browser, not that I ever really used it (too large :-)

Setting up the BlueTooth software required be to find instructions from the web on how to reconfigure my Ericsson T39m was a pest, due to the lack of knowledge of Vodaphone about using the two together at the time, I had to reconfigure the network accounts built in to the phone before I could get them to work together. It was pretty fiddly.

Vodaphone UK tried their best and returned all my calls after they had done a bit of researching but didn't know how to make it work! Thanks to Google I eventually found a PDF detailing how connect the two that was aimed at Vodaphone New Zealand users, and I just adapted it accordingly for the UK (fortunately for me Vodaphone have followed the same implementation in both countries).


I know my parents wouldn't have been able to get this running, though I imagine almost all PIC readers would have been all right :-) Bearing in mind I got mine the week it came out (and before it was even available in the US) I didn't mind the grief over the setup (it's mostly Vodaphone's fault anyway, because of the silly way they pre-setup the GPRS accounts to work for WAP only, like anyone would get a GRPS connection just for WAP :).

Sony:

The Sony offering was a very different experience. It doesn't come with address book integration or SMS software! That's really dumb!

The only real piece of Bluetooth - using software it comes with was a high-res copy of Reversi which works over BlueTooth, but you can *only* play it over Bluetooth, not against the computer, so I ditched it fairly quickly! :)

Ooops, that's a lie it did come with Clie Mail too, which is okay, but *not High Res* (never mind High Res +!)! Duh, Sony? *bangs head against table* It should be High Res +! :) Clie Mail works fine, but Eudora mail is a little more sophisticated, and will probably stick with that.

PS: Iambic's have a mail client that supports Hi Res+, but it's horribly buggy (keeps dropping out of Hi Res+ mode).

The one (and, apart from the Blue LED :) only really good thing about Sony's offering was the superb CoMa software, which allows you to setup your phone and PDA, even if your a complete muppet. Now the first thing I did when I got my card installed was set the connection up manually (I knew the details off by heart, as I had already reconfigured my phone a while back, it was easy), so I didn't use the software at first, but I since have, just for fun, and I was really impressed.

You just run it, it asks you what network you are on (e.g. Vodaphone, Orange, etc, it was customized for the UK) and then it asks you to set your phone to pairing mode and *wham* it works! It set's up pairing, the connection and the Internet account details automatically for your chosen network provider (and set it's to the default dial out account)! It configures the connection at the appropriate speed and even configures it to work around the default 'broken' Vodaphone GRPS setup (by sending extra parameters in the connection string)! It takes about 10-15 seconds to setup the connection this way.

Bearing in mind the problems I had at first, this was superb. A 5 year old child could set up any Bluetooth phone with any Clie using this software. The reason why I think this is a PR exercise it because with the Sony Clie Bluetooth offering it's already as good as it gets!

Hope that comparison is interesting for some one!



RE: bad sign
iain.collins @ 10/18/2002 8:50:07 AM #
Oops, I should have said that Sony's offering was 'as good as it gets' apart from:

No SMS software!
No Hi-Res+ Clie Mail!
No Address Book intergration!

All of which should have been immediately obvious (even Palm got it right!;), which is why I find it frustraing that none of them were present. Grrr.

Hmm I think I'll by an ABIO so I can kick it when Sony do something stupid...Na on second thoughts I think I'll wait till they have Bluetooth support :-)

RE: bad sign
rsc1000 @ 10/18/2002 10:06:18 AM #
>>(it's mostly Vodaphone's fault anyway, because of the silly way they pre-setup the GPRS accounts to work for WAP only, like anyone would get a GRPS connection just for WAP :).

Bell Canada pulled the same sort of crap when i got my kyocera 6035 - what the $#@% are these idiots thinking??? Finally an OS that can handle true TCP/IP protocol and they set it up to do.... crappy WAP stuff that was already a joke on cheapo cell-phones. Yeah Bell, thats why i got a Palm OS smart-phone - to run WAP (and only WAP until you kill their confiuration and set it up to use a standard dial-up ISP). Anyways - with a nice, fast, 1x networked Kyocera 7135 - i fully expect these morons to sink their own ship by dissapointing newbies (who dont know any better about what these devices can really do) with a similiar lame approach. Are the telcos trying to cut themselves out of profits, or are they just stupid? my experience with Bell tells me its the latter. All telcos - at least in north america - seem to be scrambling to come to terms with the new century we are living in. The software is there, the hardware is now here, the potential is there - but these idiots honestly don't know how to sell it.

More Sony's on the Way

Rhauer @ 10/18/2002 9:24:26 AM #
With this announcement I would think Sony should have some more Clie's to announce before the end of the year. I switched from the Vx (with Omnisky) to 760. I love the Clie and would stick with them but I've been waiting for BT so that I could get my email again. I LOVE the new voice recording feature but I think they need to come out with a blue tooth built in unit for me to avoid the T. Love the new phone.

Q - w/the 68i and bluetooth PDA how are emails received. To you dial up like I used to do with Omnisky or does your PDA vibrate as soon as the message comes in.

RE: More Sony's on the Way
iain.collins @ 10/18/2002 12:45:04 PM #
You need to click 'Send and receive' in your email client (and do the same in your SMS client to receive SMS's on the phone).

The phone cannot 'wake' the PDA via the BlueTooth card (ala the 'Wake On Lan' on PC Network Cards) .

HTH!

RE: More Sony's on the Way
jimski @ 10/20/2002 2:04:39 AM #
I setup my T68i to check for new e-mail every 30 minutes (can be set from 5 minutes to 4 hours). I only download headers. When new mail comes in, the phone beeps. If the header looks important, I can download the entire message to the phone (not a great experience in the tiny screen), or just do a send and receive on my PDA (iPAQ 3870 w/Bluetooth) to download everything.

Got the phone (finally available) last week and had ever working in less than an hour. Believe me, it was worth the wait.

RE: More Sony's on the Way
new505user @ 10/21/2002 12:08:32 AM #
Is there ANY email client that utilizes BT to automatically use the phone's packet connection to check email? In other words, can't one get RIMM type functionality (i.e. no need to manually move email from t68 to pda) on a BT-equipted palm. It strikes me as a no-brainer that Palm, with its new focus on the enterprise, would incoporate such functionality into the mail client on the TungstenT? Thoughts?

RE: More Sony's on the Way
iain.collins @ 10/21/2002 6:41:07 AM #
You don't need to 'move' mail from one to the other, you just need to tell the mail client to send and receive and it automatically dials out via Bluetooth (which is as fast as bringing up an ISDN connection, i.e. just about instantanious, if you have a GRPS service).

The only way to 'automatically' have messages delivered to your Palm would be to leave it on all the time, or have it turn itself on every few seconds/minutes, both of which would be expensive (as your either paying for connection time or bandwidth) and would drain your PDA's batteries in no time (given that it's using Bluetooth).

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