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More pictures on Tungsten

Wenda @ 10/23/2002 10:44:08 AM #
I would like to see the device when it first hits the market. I'm still curios about the sliding Grafitti.

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Nothing to kill or die for.
RE: More pictures on Tungsten
XScale @ 10/23/2002 10:48:14 AM #
Hmmm, I guess I'll hold judgment until I hold one in my hands next week, but it looks amazingly thick in that one image:

http://www.idedata.no/butikk/produktbilde.asp?ID=1005xs2.jpg

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
jjsoh @ 10/23/2002 11:22:03 AM #
Well, I guess the zoomed-in image of the side profile does make it seem thicker than it actually is. I recall the thickness to be the same as an m5xx with the stock leather cover on, which I have been using since day one. So, for me it won't be an issue.

The sliding bottom, on the other hand, is a different story. If not for that one uncertainty, I think I'd already be sold. :)

Jim

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Mojo Jojo @ 10/23/2002 11:26:03 AM #
Well I think it looks thinck because of its other dimensions. It probably would look less thick if it were longer. To ease your mind compare the thickness with the size of the headphone jack, or look in this image ( http://www.idedata.no/butikk/produktbilde.asp?ID=1005xs5.jpg )and see it compared to an SD card.

I think its thickness is deciptive.

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
The Phantom @ 10/23/2002 11:40:49 AM #
I'm getting more sold on the Tungsten the more I see. I still have a couple of reservations about that slidey bit - the robustness of it, and how positively it locks into either position. Other than that it looks a pretty good machine for what I want.



The Phantom Strikes again

Anbody buy a Tungsten yet?
Gekko @ 10/23/2002 12:54:18 PM #
I know they're not out until Monday but I remember the m505 and m515 were out a few days early. I remember the m505 was on a WEDNESDAY!

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Altema @ 10/23/2002 1:10:30 PM #
At least we know where the power button is located, and also that there is a scroll/jog button below the headphone jack. Jog button on the side plus 8 way nav button on the front: hmmm...

I agree that is does look thick, but like other posters have observerd, perspective is skewed by the unit being so short when closed.

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Lobotome @ 10/23/2002 1:27:08 PM #
Don't you people get bored of complaining about the sliding lid? "It may be fragile", "It will be slow to open", "It makes it thick" ....

What a load of b*llsh*t! Like that Sony folding and twisting contraption was neither gimmicky nor flimsy nor did it add up to a pretty thick device!

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Spartacus @ 10/23/2002 1:29:51 PM #
Will this be available to buy on Monday or just announced? Anyone know which stores will get it first. With the M505 Office Depot had it before anyone.

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
The Phantom @ 10/23/2002 1:42:55 PM #
>..and also that there is a scroll/jog button below the headphone jack

Actually I was wondering whether that was some kind of release for the sliding area...?

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The Phantom Strikes again

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
indesman @ 10/23/2002 1:55:13 PM #
I have to say that these "photos" look a lot more like CG renderings than photos to me. The shadows and highlights don't look quite natural and the complete lack of background suggest a computer generated image rather than an actual photograph.
RE: More pictures on Tungsten
jjsoh @ 10/23/2002 2:03:13 PM #
: Don't you people get bored of complaining about the
: sliding lid? "It may be fragile", "It will be slow
: to open", "It makes it thick" ....

I believe people are just concerned, and not necessarily complaining. For all we know, it could be the sturdiest PDA alive. But unfortunately, we have nothing tangibe to verify. So, until this finally hits store shelves, I'm afraid all these 'complaints' will continue. I'm sure the same amount of people voiced the same concerns when the NR clam-shell designs were announced.

: What a load of b*llsh*t! Like that Sony folding and
: twisting contraption was neither gimmicky nor flimsy
: nor did it add up to a pretty thick device!

I think you may be misinterpreting what is really intended by most of the previous posts related to design. Just because I, for example, voiced concern about the sliding design, doesn't mean that I'm completely ruling out purchasing this device for only that reason.

Anyway, I can't wait until the launch date. I'm already drooling. :) Now.. where to get an extra $500. :(

Jim

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
JKingGrim @ 10/23/2002 4:51:18 PM #
>>At least we know where the power button is located,
>>and also that there is a scroll/jog button below the
>>headphone jack.

Is that really a jog dial? Looks like a button to me. But then again, maybe I just need my eyes checked.

>>I have to say that these "photos" look a lot more
>>like CG renderings than photos to me. The shadows
>>and highlights don't look quite natural and the
>>complete lack of background suggest a computer
>>generated image rather than an actual photograph.

The shadows maybe were cg, but so what there's no background. Ever heard of green screen?

Buying aTungsten
TheMoo @ 10/23/2002 7:31:14 PM #
The Best Buy clerk said that sometimes they have the new devices out a day before........lets say SUNDAY...SUNDAY......SUNDAY!!!!

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
useybird @ 10/23/2002 7:39:40 PM #
the sliging grafitti looks more like a sleeve, meaning it goes all around the bottom of the device, unlike the zaurus. the UC is probably connected to the sliding part, looks kind of sturdy, most likely locks in place

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RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Lobotome @ 10/24/2002 3:43:37 AM #
I'm sure that sooner rather than later there will be a replacement sliding cover from Palm that substitutes the current navigation buttons with a thumb board. Does it look like the lid is user-replaceable (able to be popped out without fumbling with tiny screws)?
RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Fly-By-Night @ 10/24/2002 5:00:27 AM #
The great button/'jog dial' debate....

I personally think it looks like a button, and my guess is it is a 'hold' button as seen on Clie devices that can play MP3/ATRAC3. No doubt Palm have decided that a hold button to turn off the display and disable the buttons while playing MP3s is a god idea. Personally I would like to see a jog dial, and can only hope there may be one on the other side.

Stil not sure which new Palm device to buy to replace my ageing Visor DLX (the digitiser has gone now -- almost impossible to use). While the Tungsten looks tempting, I may buy a cheap Sony SJ30 and wait 6 months or so to see what appears.

FBN

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Altema @ 10/24/2002 11:01:32 AM #
"I personally think it looks like a button"

Yes, it's a button and definitely not a wheel. I guess the question is if it's a simple single contact button, or if it is a compound switch which responds to up and down presses (kind of like a minature version of the up/down scroll buttons, which have one face but use two contacts). The German website did say it was for scrolling, unless they meant it was a release button for "scrolling" the sliding part down!

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Ricky @ 10/24/2002 3:47:05 PM #
I read somewhere that this button scrolls through the categories in the launcher. Tell me, what other button does this? The Application button. This could address the concerns of people who wondered how they will exit a program while the unit is collapsed. Just my thoughts...

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
JKingGrim @ 10/24/2002 3:53:03 PM #
I heard somewhere that the left and right buttons on the D-pad scrolls catagories.

RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Akira @ 10/25/2002 3:59:10 AM #
I'm afraid that the original Photos at Ide Date as were missing.
Does anyone have mirrored them ??

Case

Midknyte @ 10/23/2002 11:04:56 AM #
Does anyone know if this thing has a plastic or metallic casing?

RE: Case
Foxer @ 10/23/2002 11:12:59 AM #
Yeah, it is metal of course!! Made of Tungsten!

RE: Case
graph @ 10/23/2002 4:25:20 PM #
what will be the cover for the screen? i dont see any rails on the sides for the leatherflip cover.

RE: Case
Nismo96 @ 10/23/2002 4:49:57 PM #
This link to a picture make it look like a clip on cover similar to the one used by Sony on the Clie's might be used. http://www.palminfocenter.com/ss.asp?f=tungsten/pic5.jpg

RE: Case
RoelvdV @ 10/24/2002 5:48:32 AM #
The picture you refer to shows the back of the Tungsten. Maybe I am missing your point about how to attach a cover, but the picture only shows how the sliding part looks on the backside of the unit.

Greetings, Roel.

RE: Case
Nismo96 @ 10/24/2002 12:01:41 PM #
Look at the part that slides down. The black rectangles on the ends look like a place to clip a flip cover on to the unit. I am not sure of this, but it definately looks possible.

RE: Case
Altema @ 10/25/2002 2:03:58 PM #
"Look at the part that slides down. The black rectangles on the ends look like a place to clip a flip cover on to the unit. I am not sure of this, but it definately looks possible."

Yes, it's possible, but that would mean that you would have to remove the cover to use any clip on accessories. Those rectangles are where accessories like sleds and gps units hook. However, I usually remove my cover to use the gps anyway unless I'm in the woods or on top of a building.

One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer

RoelvdV @ 10/23/2002 11:13:02 AM #
One of the Tungsten pic's shows a dialer. I thought the Tungsten-W was the wireless device. Or does this dialer use the build-in Bluetoothcard for dialling a number on a Bluetooth phone?

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Fzara2000 @ 10/23/2002 11:26:15 AM #
Hmm..interesting comment. i guess we'll wait to see what others post.
As for the pics...WOW. It looks nice. But I have to comment on the sliding graffiti. It looks like its open when hotsyncing. Wouldnt that be pretty hard when opening the graffiti box when in the cradle?

"Now thats just PRIME!"
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Fly-By-Night @ 10/23/2002 11:26:24 AM #
I suspect so; probably best when your BT phone is in your pocket and you're using a BT headset -- can't be many instances when you actually need a dialler though when you should be able to dial straing from the Address Book.

Another application seems to be called 'Blue Chat' -- sounds like fun, no wonder Tungstens are priced for the adult market!

FBN

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Altema @ 10/23/2002 1:16:10 PM #
I'm just wondering off the top of my head,.. if your phone has bluetooth, and your Palm has bluetooth, and your Palm has a microphone, and your Palm has a speaker located right where your ear would be if you held it to your face, and you have drivers to let the Palm act as a bluetooth headset for the phone...

Which bluetooth phone to buy
Spartacus @ 10/23/2002 1:31:31 PM #
Does anyone have any recommendations on which bluetooth phone to buy to use with the Tungsten. I prefer a small phone. Any help would be appreciated.

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Inferno42 @ 10/23/2002 1:46:20 PM #
About the 'BlueChat' app that is shown. Wouldn't it make sense that if you when in BT range (10m) of another person to actually 'use' this app then you would certainly be within voice range. Maybe there some other use for this...

Anyone know if this will ship with Palm's new web browser?

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
sandbuck @ 10/23/2002 2:06:54 PM #
Glad that those pics feature what looks like a UC cradle.

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Altema @ 10/23/2002 2:35:59 PM #
"then you would certainly be within voice range."

Meetings. I have seen someone with a laptop in a meeting send email to the person at the other end of the table to pass the bagels. Waste of technology (unless they're really GOOD bagels), but it was the only way to communicate silently at the time ;)

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Zuber @ 10/23/2002 2:50:25 PM #
>>>I'm just wondering off the top of my head,.. if your phone has bluetooth, and your Palm has bluetooth, and your Palm has a microphone, and your Palm has a speaker located right where your ear would be if you held it to your face, and you have drivers to let the Palm act as a bluetooth headset for the phone<<<

It should be possible with the right software, but I think you would be better off with a real Bluetooth Headset. They don't weigh much and would leave your hands free to use the Palm for notes etc.
With the OS still not supporting multitasking, not sure if you would be able to use it as a headset in speaker mode and still use the device at the same time.

I picked up a real cheap one today and it actually works better than some of the branded ones. £50 in the UK so probably $40-$50 in the US assuming no tax.

Zuber

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
mtt @ 10/23/2002 3:08:46 PM #
This thing looks really cool- I wonder, if it has wireless connection, a speaker, and a microphone, and a dialer, is there any real reason why it couldn't be a phone? Another thing- do you think it would be possible to make some kind of thumb keyboard that would snap on over the graffiti area when the Tungsten was open? It would be a little on the small side, but it could be really useful for email & wireless chat.

MTT
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Scott R @ 10/23/2002 6:42:05 PM #
"About the 'BlueChat' app that is shown. Wouldn't it make sense that if you when in BT range (10m) of another person to actually 'use' this app then you would certainly be within voice range. Maybe there some other use for this..."
I was thinking the same thing when I looked at that app. The only other reasonable use would be if a company set up multiple Bluetooth access points within their building, using Bluetooth instead of 802.11b. Palm, Inc. (or PalmSource - whoever just moved into the new building) I believe did just that. But I don't forsee many other companies following suit. 802.11b is the superior technology for that purpose, IMO. Bluetooth is all about eliminating cables for short distances (which is great).

Scott

RE: Which bluetooth phone to buy
cyberdude @ 10/24/2002 1:58:27 AM #
Definitely sounds like you need the SE T68i.

RE: Which bluetooth phone to buy
mcseym @ 10/24/2002 3:33:48 AM #
There is a lot to like about the T68i, I'd recommend it.

cheers

matt

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
mcseym @ 10/24/2002 3:37:30 AM #
zuber - I'm interested in the headset you bought. can you let me know the make/model?

cheers

matt

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Fly-By-Night @ 10/24/2002 5:07:19 AM #
Me too, Zuber. I've been looking at a cheap Plantronics BT headset at www.blueunplugged.com (a great place for all your BT goodies -- operates in USA, UK and EU) for £100. Unfortunately it's not as sexy as some of the soon to be released (and no doubt highly pricey) SonyEricsson or Nokia headsets. They also have a cool Parrott BT car kit that integrates with your car stereo and autonmatically syncs with up to 5 BT phones -- how cool is that (and only £175).

Also, best BT phone by far is SE T68i. Small, sexy, and fully buzzword compliant. The bees honey-sacks.

Laters,

FBN.

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Zuber @ 10/24/2002 5:44:14 AM #
RE: Which headset.

I got this one.

http://www.skypower.com/product/product1.html

from

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=EZ232

To be honest, I expected it to be cheap and nasty. But it is actually quite good (so far). I bought a more expensive "conventional" one that wraps round your ear for more money. I found it annoying after wearing it a little while.

The other "flaw" I found with the others is that you need to use both hands to put it on. Not very useful at 70 MPH (The legal limit ;) ) when you realise you forgot to put it on.


With this one, it's just a little earbud, and there is simple but clever little hook to put the earbud in when you are not using it. Also none of the others (except Nokias own) apparently work with the 6310i.

Zuber


RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Fly-By-Night @ 10/24/2002 6:44:59 AM #
Cheers, think I might get an SE HBH-30 from Expansys at a bargain hundred squids -- about £80 cheaper than anywhere else.

FBN.

The best Bluetooth headset, by far...
Solo @ 10/24/2002 8:27:58 AM #
Jabra's FreeSpeak

www.jabra.com

Just came out... I've just ordered one.

RE: The best Bluetooth headset, by far...
mcseym @ 10/24/2002 9:10:55 AM #
zuber / solo, thanks for the heades up. Sorry this is going off topic but does anyone know of a decent comparative review for BT headsets?

cheers

matt

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
palmonthe run @ 10/24/2002 1:44:27 PM #
OK, I have had one of these devices for about a week now. My company does a lot of Palm business so they usually give a new devices prior to release.

The sliding graffiti is a nice option. It makes the Palm smaller when closed. When you see the actual cover you will all be disappointed, a big step back from the leather flap.

The screen is bright and crisp and the speed is amazing compared to the m515. Voice recording is cool and comes in handy for quick messages while driving etc. This is definately a big step forward for Palm.
There is much improved navigation with the additiona of a button and 4-directional pad.

The look and feel of the OS is very much the same as previous versions. Icons are a little prettier but the menus and navigation are basically the same.

One observation, with the cover on you cannot open the slide and write on the graffiti area. Like I said the cover was a big mistake. It's a clear plastic cover that snaps on/off.

It is compatible with m500 series accessories like the cradle and modem due to the universal connector.

A word to the wise, unless I am having specific problems, not all Palm software works on this device. Avantgo for one locked up the Tungsten and it had to be reset and uninstalled. I'm sure this will be worked out quickly.

Due to the price ($499) Palm may force many people to convert to PocketPc with devices like the Toshiba e330 retailing for $349.

Anyway, ask away and I will try to answer your questions.

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
katunka89 @ 10/26/2002 5:21:35 AM #
>>>"About the 'BlueChat' app that is shown. Wouldn't it make sense that if you when in BT range (10m) of another person to actually 'use' this app then you would certainly be within voice range. Maybe there some other use for this..."
I was thinking the same thing when I looked at that app. The only other reasonable use would be if a company set up multiple Bluetooth access points within their building, using Bluetooth instead of 802.11b. Palm, Inc. (or PalmSource - whoever just moved into the new building) I believe did just that. But I don't forsee many other companies following suit. 802.11b is the superior technology for that purpose, IMO. Bluetooth is all about eliminating cables for short distances (which is great).


You can use the Bluetooth Chat using a connection with a bluetooth phone. This allows you to chat over long distances.

Katunka----also known as slim devil

OS 5

Fzara2000 @ 10/23/2002 11:24:42 AM #
When they say programs are now OS 5 ready, what does that exactly mean? DOes that mean that the hardware can be fully utilized (like the 175mhz TI OMAP Tungsten T processor) when running the program?

"Now thats just PRIME!"
RE: OS 5
Fammy @ 10/23/2002 11:42:23 AM #
No, I think it means that the OS4 code is upwardsly compatible with OS5 devices. Meaning, your existing program will still work on your new device. It may or may not work faster (or slower).

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Fammy
RE: OS 5
asiayeah @ 10/23/2002 11:45:22 AM #
> Does that mean that the hardware can be fully utilized (like the 175mhz TI OMAP Tungsten T processor) when running the program?

I've bet they only mean their program is compatible with OS 5. Technically, it's impossible to fully utilize the ARM processor, as native ARM applications are not possible with OS 5. However, they may do some optimizations by fully utilizing the CPU in some routines/segments of the application.

Tony

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With great power comes great responsiblity.

RE: OS 5
The Phantom @ 10/23/2002 11:47:46 AM #
I thought OS 5 included some kind of emulator to run OS 4 (and older?) stuff on the new chips, so in that sense any program is 'OS 5 ready' isn't it?

Unless, perhaps they mean they have an OS 5 specific version ready.

The Phantom Strikes again

RE: OS 5
Haber @ 10/23/2002 11:52:01 AM #
Not any OS 4.x app. The programmers would have had to follow Palm's programming guides to the letter, and many programs are tweaked, so while they work on 4.x, they might not work on 5.x.

RE: OS 5
Zuber @ 10/23/2002 11:56:12 AM #
It simply means that the software "should" work on an OS5 device. Does not have to include any OS5 specific enhancements. Just function correctly using the emulation software.

That's my interpretation anyway.

Zuber

RE: OS 5
bcombee @ 10/23/2002 2:00:51 PM #
PACE, the 68K runtime environment in OS 5, does allow applications for older devices to run. However, it doesn't emulate the operating system calls -- it just converts them into calls into the ARM code, allowing all of the stuff in the OS to run at full speed. If applications made assumptions about the operating system, like the layout of OS data structures and used that knowledge, then there is a good chance they will fail on the new ARM-based devices. PalmSource has been pushing developers to fix these problems since late 2000 when they introduced the Palm OS 4 SDK with its "strict" mode, but developers haven't been able to do final testing until recently.

--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
PACE and OS 5
Palm_Otaku @ 10/23/2002 2:59:08 PM #
Thanks for posting that Ben, clearing up misconceptions is a "good thing"!

Just to reiterate a few basics:
: the OS5 operating system is running in native ARM code.
: PACE stands for Palm Application Compatibility Environment and is basically a little TRANSLATOR application, *not* an EMULATOR. (It converts things like the "endianess" of instructions on-the-fly.)
: the ARM processors have great "mips-to-milliwatts" ratios, meaning they are powerful yet power-frugal
: ARM processors also integrate a DSP (digital signal processor) that handles multimedia processing to "share the load"

You can dig a little deeper here:
<http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/palmos5/>

Cheers,

Dan


RE: OS 5
jbarr @ 10/23/2002 3:14:16 PM #
That's correct. At minimum, it means that it successfully runs in the OS 5 SIMMULATOR. In fact, as of today, there is no EMULATOR available for specific OS 5 devices. For example, in a reply to an inquiry I made about the availablity of development tools for the new Clie NX70V, Sony development support stated, "Development tools for the PEG-NX60/NX70V should be publicly available at the
end of October."

Don't forget that there are two types of Palm programs under Palm OS 5: ARM OS 5 programs (these will not run on earlier DragonBall devices) and "legacy" programs that execute under the PACE emulator which is itself a native ARM program.

It all really comes down to how the programmers designed their programs. I think that we can be pretty confident that if they followed Palm standards closely, the programs will work. If they go too far "outside the box" then they may not work.

RE: OS 5
bcombee @ 10/23/2002 3:25:00 PM #
Actually, there is only one kind of program on OS 5 -- 68K applications that run inside PACE. However, a 68K application can contain subroutines implemented as ARM code using a technique called ARMlets. ARMlets usually won't be used to implement an entire program, but can be very useful for parts of an application that are speed critical.

This is confusing -- for now, consider ARM support a feature, like HiRes support for the CLIE or QVGA support for the HandEra 330. Eventually, likely with the next big OS release, there will be applications written entirely in ARM code, but for now, everything has at least some 68K code to work with PACE.

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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com

RE: OS 5
abosco @ 10/26/2002 12:41:38 PM #
This may be a bit of an off topic question, but since developers have to rewrite apps for OS 5 code in high-resolution+ mode for the NX series, does that pretty much mean that the NR series won't have many more applications that make use of the high-res+ since the OS 5 NX won't be able to make use of the high-res if it's written for OS 4.1?

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Tungsten T accesories

Luka @ 10/23/2002 1:20:48 PM #
The Norwegian page also lists:

Palm Tungsten T Stylus 3-Pack
Palm Tungsten T Polyurethane Scuba case
Palm Tungsten T Slim Leather Case
Palm Tungsten T Hard Case
Palm Ultra-Thin Keyboard

Quite nice to have these things imediatley!



RE: Tungsten T accesories
HAFranks @ 10/23/2002 2:24:05 PM #
Any pictures of the hard case? I'm trying to figure out how this could work with the sliding section.

RE: Tungsten T accesories
sandbuck @ 10/23/2002 3:16:14 PM #
Where is the link to the accesories?

RE: Tungsten T accesories
Dietmar @ 10/23/2002 5:58:03 PM #
Here is the link for the accessories.

http://www.idedata.no/butikk/store.asp?ID=138EC94AAE4B4124960CF65181DC9D21#Palm%20Tungsten%20T

If you go to the General page of the Tungsten you will find it under: Palm Tungsten butikken


RE: Tungsten T accesories
amike @ 10/24/2002 3:53:32 AM #
and no embedded thumboard keyboard ???

RE: Tungsten T accesories
JKingGrim @ 10/24/2002 4:21:57 PM #
Why isn't there a picture of the thin keyboard? Does it fit the sliding area?

Protective Cover on Tungsten?

Operator99 @ 10/23/2002 2:22:50 PM #
Looks like on all the pics I have seen, there is no provision for the kind of protective "flip cover" that was supplied with all the 5xx models. That would be a shame because then carrying it in your (mine at least) shirt pocket would be risky without the cover and too bulky with an actual case.

Anyone see a slot or something like on the Sony's that has the cover flip over from the top?

Really want the device, but for me that presents a very practical limitation.

RE: Protective Cover on Tungsten?
rokiteer @ 10/23/2002 3:32:51 PM #
This doesn't srike me as a shirt-pocket device. Seems to me more like a pants-pocket or belt-top device.

CodeWarior and NSBacic

BrettBanks @ 10/23/2002 2:25:12 PM #
I'm really glad to hear the there is CodeWarior and Basic for the OS5. I am a Palm deveolper and I need to use this to make softwares. When I working at The PalmTop Shop I deveolpe softwares using thinkDB, but right now I want learn to programe, I'll use CW. I should take a course... does anyone have any suggesions which colliege course I can take to be a programmer (nothing over 2 monthes please)!

BTW: does anyone want to join my PUG in Toronto Canada?

www.pdainhand.com

I love my Palm Dictoinaree

RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
Roberto_tores @ 10/23/2002 3:10:14 PM #
I don't know of any course that works that fast but I recommend you read a book on programming for palm OS. There are many good ones in www.amazon.com.


Also to start programming you could start off with pocketC a C like language for Palm OS that is much easier than C or C++. You can develop very powerful stand alone apps using tools from www.orbworks.com (the compiler is very cheap and they have an IDE for just $80) and there is a good book on amazon about pocket C. Also a good compiler that is easier for begginers is the one from www.falch.net



RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
skeezix @ 10/23/2002 4:11:22 PM #
1) "Basic" not "Bacic"
2) Please *attempt* to spell halfway right; it shows respect for the readers. Currently you've demonstrated you don't care enough about your post to edit it, so why should we care to read it?
3) There is already a PUG in Toronto; see www.canadapug.com IIRC. Its been aruond a long time.
4) You don't learn to program in 2 months; if you want to learn in 2 months, skip a course and just get to it. Some of the very best development tools around are *free* silly :) (For unix, for windows, for Palm OS, for Mac, you name it). At a minimum, look up "gcc", "mingw", "cygwin", "prc tools" and other things.
5) Checking Palmsource's website will tell you how to develop PalmOS applications, and will give you options from free, to shareware, to commercialware
6) Sorry for the harsh tone, but too many mistakes in one post for me to handle :P
RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
skeezix @ 10/23/2002 4:18:55 PM #
(Yes, I see the irony that I mispelt a word msyelf. But only one! :)

Nice site actually. I like the Zire-ish feel of it, and its really good to see more PDA stores in the Toronto area. Are you walk up, or by phone only? (ie: Since PalmTopShop/Newtonstore went under, we've had to resort to EB and FutureShop. I supopse they're cheaper since PTS was crazy prizes, but I liked the atmosphere there, and it was cool to see the eMate and other cool Newton stuff about :)

Any idea when you'll have the Tungsten or NX70? Sony took a loooong time getting the Clie's to Canada, so I hope they dont' repeat that horrid performance with the NX70 :/

jeff

The Shadow knows!

RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
GD @ 10/23/2002 7:14:55 PM #
You can get free, intrusctor-based programming courses online at www.CodeWarriorU.com on C/C++ and Palm programming

A demo version of CodeWarrior is available for download - it has all the functionality of the fully licensed version. The only limitation is the size of the applciations you can build. Alternatively, if you are a student you can get an academic edition for about $100.

If you are serious about programming I suggest you learn to use a professional tool, that way you won't have to learn a second tool when you need to get to the next level.

RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
JKingGrim @ 10/24/2002 4:25:33 PM #
I am a programmer too. I started off with "Absolute Beginner's Guide to C" to learn the C language. If you are familiar wiht C/C++ than you can skip to "Palm OS Programming Bible". I am getting ready to purchase "Palm OS Programming Bible (Sercond Ed)" to learn how to write for OS 5.

Hey spelling bee Champ!!

nospleen @ 10/23/2002 4:21:50 PM #
Maybe you should learn to spell 'around'. Hello Pot.....

Tungsten T estimated arrival on Nov. 8th at Office Depot

ColonelKlink @ 10/23/2002 10:09:42 PM #
According to my store computer, the Tungsten T should be arriving at the store level on Nov. 8, my local crossdock already has 800+ ready to be shipped to local stores.

Price: $499

Not sure if this is old news or not...

Anybody notice the price?

Dennizlerim @ 10/24/2002 4:49:05 AM #
I'm sorry that I don't have the exchange rate for norwegian whatever, but lets calculate.

Norwegian Money Euro

1228 150

4958 x

If I calculate right, that would be €600.
Now the fact that Norwegian stuff if a little more expensive, then in Germany I guess that this thing will cost €500-550 and $450 in the US.

What do you think?

CODEWARRIOR

kev @ 10/24/2002 5:32:53 AM #
Thanks for the clue on CW9. in the frenzy around the tungsten, maybe people haven't given this much thought, but does anyone have a clue when codewarrior 9 is being released?



RE: CODEWARRIOR
bcombee @ 10/24/2002 12:45:12 PM #
Yes. The press release indicated that it would be released in early December.

--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com

Tungston - Email

Rhauer @ 10/24/2002 1:09:36 PM #
Does anybody use bluetooth to send and receive email on a regular basis. I would be very interested in how well it works and if the phone can truly be in your breifcase.

Questions

Ricky @ 10/24/2002 3:55:36 PM #
Firstly, I'd like to thank you for offering to answer our questions. The only questions that come to mind now are:
What does the button on the left of the device (just underneath the headphone plug) do ?
What applications are included with the device (what programs are installed when you first turn it on)
Can it play MP3 audio?
What is the audio volume/quality like? (if you have tried this yet)
Is there anything on the right side of the device?
Thank you very much

Some Questions

Zuber @ 10/24/2002 4:13:57 PM #
Have you tried the new Browser ?

How well does it handle large/complex Web Pages ?
Has it got a Zoom function like the one on the New Clie ?
How does the Zoom work ?
Does the zoom allow you to see a screen greater than 320 wide e.g. 640 wide zoom to 320. OR is it 320 wide and zoom to 160.
Is there a quick way to enable/disable images for download (without going through menus and preferences).

Any chance of a picture of it with the flip cover in place ?

Does the sliding mechanism allow for a full screen protector including the Graaffi area ?

Have you tried out the Bluetooth at all ?

How does the 320 x 320 screen compare with the larger (physically) Pocket PC screens. Would you still feel you had more "space" on the larger Pocket PC screen. (If only it was virtual Graffiti)

That will do for the time being ;)

Zuber


RE: Some Questions
Zuber @ 10/24/2002 4:35:40 PM #
Strange, I thought I was replying to

>>>
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
palmonthe run @ 10/24/2002 1:44:27 PM

OK, I have had one of these devices for about a week now. My company does a lot of Palm business so they usually give a new devices prior to release.
<<<

Somehow it became a seperate section.

Zuber

RE: Some Questions
Ricky @ 10/24/2002 5:21:39 PM #
I just had the same problem. Refer to above post
"Firstly, I'd like to thank you for offering to answer our questions. The only questions that come to mind now are:
What does the button on the left of the device (just underneath the headphone plug) do ?
What applications are included with the device (what programs are installed when you first turn it on)
Can it play MP3 audio?
What is the audio volume/quality like? (if you have tried this yet)
Is there anything on the right side of the device?
Thank you very much"
I think I'll try to repost where it belongs

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer

Ricky @ 10/24/2002 5:24:33 PM #
Firstly, I'd like to thank you for offering to answer our questions. The only questions that come to mind now are:
What does the button on the left of the device (just underneath the headphone plug) do ?
What applications are included with the device (what programs are installed when you first turn it on)
Can it play MP3 audio?
What is the audio volume/quality like? (if you have tried this yet)
Is there anything on the right side of the device?
Thank you very much

RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Ricky @ 10/24/2002 5:26:13 PM #
Ok, I give up-there must be a bug in the board

Bluetooth

Rhauer @ 10/25/2002 2:48:29 PM #
Have you or will you check out a bluetooth connection to a phone.

What about the MP3, does it compare to the Clie.

Questions

JKingGrim @ 10/25/2002 5:20:40 PM #
What does the button on the side beneath the headphone jack do?

How's battery life?

Did it come with bonus software?

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