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For many users one of the most exciting and useful new features of the Palm Tungsten T is the integrated Bluetooth technology. Bluetooth is widely seen as the eventual replacement to the older line-of-sight InfraRed (IR) technology. Bluetooth lets a wide variety of devices to connect and talk to each other and share features, wirelessly.

In this article PIC Editor in Chief, Ryan Kairer, walks through setting up and sharing an internet connection with your windows PC and the Palm Tungsten T via Bluetooth.

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High COM ports

pfh @ 11/6/2002 4:23:30 PM #
Is there any way to get MochaPPP to listen to high-numbered COM ports? My Bluetooth dongle has its virtual ports way up on COM12-COM16.
RE: High COM ports
robman @ 11/6/2002 4:33:16 PM #
Wasn't Bluetooth promised to be "plug and play"? This sounds quite complicated.

Why is there so much involved in what "should be" (or was promised to be) a relatively simple task.

And furthermore, is this going to get any easier? Can Palm release better BT software that will make this operation plug and play?



Palm Researcher at the University of Texas at Austin
http://www.edb.utexas.edu/petrosino/pda

RE: High COM ports
polymath @ 11/6/2002 4:40:26 PM #
What's the ranage and speed in this case. YOu mentioned setting it to 115200bps. That's way too slow for me.

Purpose?
Palm_Otaku @ 11/6/2002 4:43:03 PM #
Typically when you're setting up Bluetooth on a PC or laptop, it's not "intended" to be used as an Access Point so the MochaPPP work-around is required.

- Dan

RE: High COM ports
Xian @ 11/6/2002 5:26:03 PM #
You should also be able to do this with Win2K with Internet sharing and BlueTooth's LAN Access profile. It worked with my old TDK PC Card.

RE: High COM ports
suilobo @ 11/6/2002 9:27:54 PM #
It should be possible with Windows' ICS and the network access profile included with most Bluetooth adapters for the PC but I haven't been able to get it to work. Anybody know how?

I use the Tecom USB bluetooth dongle with a m505 and Bluetooth SD card. Other than getting this to work Bluetooth works great between the dongle/SD Card and my T68i.

RE: High COM ports
ganoe @ 11/7/2002 12:31:13 AM #
> You should also be able to do this with Win2K with
> Internet sharing and BlueTooth's LAN Access profile.

If you read the forum thread that is the basis of the article, it appears there is a bug on the Tungsten T that is causing resets when you use the network access profile with anything other than a PicoBlue access point. Not having a TT to play with yet, that's what I'm reading anyhow.

Still, this article is really the wrong way to set this up. Assuming there was no bug, you would, as you said, want to use the network access profile and Internet sharing in Windows. Even with the bug, any modern Windows (XP, 2000, NT) has built in PPP support, so Mocha PPP should not be necessary.

Ideally, you should just be able to pick up say a D-Link DBT-120 for $40, and follow the instructions in the manual for "Network Access Server-side Setup." Has anyone tried that???

RE: High COM ports
Xian @ 11/7/2002 12:44:01 AM #
Yes, I'm seeing that bug you mentioned. Tried to setup a Win2K LAN Access at work today, and it connected, but as soon as I tried an app it reset the Palm. But if you just have a non Tungsten unit with SDIO Bluetooth card, it works great.

Anybody know how high of a priority this is for Palm/PalmSource to fix?

RE: High COM ports
Fly-By-Night @ 11/7/2002 5:05:37 AM #
Bluetooth should be plug 'n' play. However, that rather depends upon the OS using BT. OS's like Symbian and whatever's on my T68i have it built in; Win XP doesn't (yet). Microsoft seem really bad at spotting these trends -- remember Win 95 didn't initially come with support for the Internet; which I certainly remember being a complete hassle to set up; though it's pretty much p'n'p now (also remember that p'n'p was one of the main selling points of Win 95).

Someday everything will have Bluetooth, and then the machines will mock us behind our backs....

FBN

Palm Bluetooth Compatibility Index
pdangel @ 11/7/2002 10:11:37 AM #
Palm Bluetooth Compatibility Index:

PicoBlue™ Internet Access Point
Red-M™ 1050AP LAN access point
EtherBlue™ Wireless LAN Access Point
Hewlett Packard 995c Printer*
3Com USB adapter
TDK USB adapter
D-Link DWB-120M Bluetooth USB Adapter
IBM Ultraport adapter
Toshiba 4010 notebook
HP ZT1000 notebook
iPaq 3870 PDA
3Com PC Card
Socket™ CompactFlash Bluetooth™ Card
Sony Clie Bluetooth™ MemStick
Widcomm Bluegate LANAcess PointP
* Printing functions are limited to the Palm Date Book, Address Book, To Do, and Memo Pad Applications.

Bluetooth Phones
Sony-E. T68i
Nokia 6210 (requires connectivity pack)
Nokia 6310
Nokia 7650
Nokia 6310i
Nokia 8910
Motorola TP270c (with Bluetooth Battery)
Motorola TP280
Ericsson R520m
Ericsson T39m
Ericsson T68

http://www.palm.com/support/bluetooth/bluetooth_compatibility.html

Bluetooth Networking for your Palm, Pocket PC and Computer
http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/tips/pico_BT.htm

PicoBlue™ Internet Access Point
The PicoBlue Internet Access Point (AP) is a Bluetooth wireless AP that provides enterprise, small- and medium-sized organizations with a secure, reliable and cost-effective solution for providing high-speed network access to users equipped with Bluetooth handhelds based on Palm OS®, Pocket PC and Windows® CE operating systems.
Key Features and Benefits
• Extended Range. PicoBlue provides wireless access to low-power Bluetooth client devices such as handhelds from as far as 300 feet (100m) and to high-power Bluetooth client devices such as notebooks from as far as 800 feet (250m) in open areas. Indoors, typical range is between 50 (10m) and 150 feet (45m).
http://www.pico.net/products.html

Today's mobile professionals need connectivity at home, too. This probably means competing for an Internet connection with the rest of the family. You can stay connected anywhere in the house at the same time the family is connected when you have a PicoBlue Internet Access Point plugged in to a broadband cable or DSL modem. With PicoBlue, the whole family can enjoy wireless freedom throughout the home on the platform of their choice -- handheld, notebook or desktop. And with PicoBlue, that DSL speed will be available over the air!
http://www.pico.net/home_scenario.html

Pico Communications technical support page
http://www.pico.net/support.html
http://www.pico.net/support_faq.html

Easy Setup. PicoBlue connects over Ethernet to corporate LANs and cable and DSL modems. It automatically senses the type of Ethernet connection (10 or 100 baseT) and can self-configure using DHCP. PicoBlue also is compatible with a wide range of client devices.
http://www.pico.net/compatibility.html
http://www.pico.net/download/PicoBlueQuickStart_v1.3.pdf

Palm Bluetooth support
http://www.palm.com/support/tungstent/


"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

RE: High COM ports
palmit @ 11/7/2002 10:48:07 AM #
"Ideally, you should just be able to pick up say a D-Link DBT-120 for $40, and follow the instructions in the manual for
"Network Access Server-side Setup." Has anyone tried that???"

I should get my D-link BT USB adaptor today and will try it.


RE: High COM ports
Xian @ 11/7/2002 11:53:25 AM #
I've tried it. My Tungsten T connects to it no problem. However, my Tungsten T soft resets whenever I try to use a network app, like VersaMail, Web Pro, and AIM.

RE: High COM ports
ganoe @ 11/7/2002 11:58:10 AM #
> I've tried it. My Tungsten T connects to it no problem. However,
> my Tungsten T soft resets whenever I try to use a network app

Has anyone harassed Palm about this apparent (serious, in my opinion) bug? Anyone gotten a response on it?

RE: High COM ports
Xian @ 11/7/2002 12:26:49 PM #
I called Palm's technical support this morning about it. Got the runaround. They were saying it could be a third party app issue (wtf?) and wanted me to hard reset, and go from there. I'm now awaiting a call back from their tech support escalations dept.

RE: High COM ports
nyates @ 11/7/2002 2:38:47 PM #
I sent a message to their tech support regarding this as well. From what I understand this works on an m515 with a bluetooth card, so it should work with the Tungsten. I hate to say it but this was one of the reasons that I bought the Tungsten(s) and am very disappointed that it isn't working (without the workaround, that works fine). I may return both of the Tungstens that I bought if palm doesn't at least acknowledge that there is a problem soon.

RE: High COM ports
TinMan @ 11/7/2002 3:04:14 PM #
>>> Ideally, you should just be able to pick up say a D-Link DBT-120 for $40, and follow the instructions in the manual for "Network Access Server-side Setup." Has anyone tried that??? >>>

No, we just love taking the long way around simple issues. ^_^


-Mike



I sync, therefore I am.

RE: High COM ports
Xian @ 11/7/2002 3:52:06 PM #
nyates

yep, it works on a m505/m515 with the BT SDIO card, just not the Tungsten. I hope we hear back from them about this, even just an acknowledgement of the issue.

RE: High COM ports
nyates @ 11/8/2002 4:36:55 PM #
Well I just got a 'canned' response from palm that says this is a known issue, but they don't know why it happens. They suggest for me to do a hard reset and re-install versamail to try to fix the problem. If that doesn't work I should call tech support. Looks like I will be returning them.

RE: High COM ports
alanjrobertson @ 11/11/2002 3:03:15 PM #
> Xian @ 11/7/2002 3:52:06 PM
> yep, it works on a m505/m515 with the BT SDIO card,
> just not the Tungsten. I hope we hear back from
> them about this, even just an acknowledgement of
> the issue.

Xian - I've got an m505 with a BT SDIO card and a TDK USB BT dongle. Do you know of any instructions anywhere as to how to get it working using the Network Access Profile? I've tried everything I can think of, but to no avail. The Mocha solution in the article works fine (one I disabled the DUN profile on my PC's BT services), but I'd like to use the network profile if poss.

Cheers

Alan

RE: High COM ports
chantycoon @ 3/20/2003 2:32:55 AM #
Hi Alan,
I've the same problem as you did. How can I set up a Lan Access from my Palm to by Laptop?
The BT connection between my Palm and my Laptop is OK, but just don't know how to share the internet using Network connection.

Andy

RE: High COM ports
Cyan @ 4/25/2006 9:11:39 AM #
re connection to nokia 7650 i can connect but only in one direction.. using blue tooth i can send to the phone but not recieve any ideas welcome cos i`m really starting toloose faith in this idea of wireless bluetooth ..

Cyan

What purpose does this serve

Spartacus @ 11/6/2002 4:36:33 PM #
I have the tungsten t and love connecting to the internet via bluetooth with my t68i, but can't see the purpose connecting through my PC. What do you use this for?

RE: What purpose does this serve
Admin @ 11/6/2002 4:43:22 PM #
I also use the t68... this lets me cut down the GPRS costs (way too expensive now), and use the DSL connection in my office over bluetooth.

-Ryan

RE: What purpose does this serve
mfs @ 11/6/2002 10:07:36 PM #
Why not just use the computer. your so close to it anyway. The T68 is great when your on the go with out a PC.

RE: What purpose does this serve
Rhauer @ 11/6/2002 11:39:18 PM #
T68 users - are you located in the US. What service are you using. I really want to buy a TT and T68 but the sales help in the cellular stores are pathetic. Any thoughts would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks.

RE: What purpose does this serve
Xian @ 11/7/2002 12:15:57 AM #
I have a T68m that I got flashed to a T68i with T-Mobile (Voicestream). A friend of mine has a T68m via Cingular Wireless and another has a T68i with AT&T Wireless.

HELP - HELP ME UNDERSTAND
navomaal @ 11/7/2002 12:39:19 AM #
I have a tungsten and t68i - however I am afraid to use the TT to connect to the t68i and surf the internet for the high price of internet service on cingular.

Can any one answer this -
can I use my t68i to dial an aol access # and then use my tungsten to surf the net??..and if I do so - do I have to pay extra ( I mean anything more than the airtime) to connect to the interent?? ( some fee per month or something per KB)
Thanks in advance guys...


RE: What purpose does this serve
aaronchow @ 11/7/2002 3:46:10 AM #
Previously, we only need to contact Cingular to enable data services (only $4.99 / month) and that's it. But since Cingular is promoting their own wireless thingy, they've dropped this data service policy and now we need to purchase their "Wireless Internet" service package, which is quite expensive.
RE: What purpose does this serve
Fly-By-Night @ 11/7/2002 5:10:00 AM #
>> can I use my t68i to dial an aol access # and then use my tungsten to surf the net??..and if I do so - do I have to pay extra ( I mean anything more than the airtime) to connect to the interent?? ( some fee per month or something per KB)
Thanks in advance guys... <<

The T68i has built in support for HSCSD (High Speed Circuit Switched Data), which can effectively use up to 4 (I think) standard GSM TDMS channels in parallel. This can get a connection speed of roughly 38kbs in a good area. However, this rather assumes HSCSD is offered by any US GSM operator. I used this previously on Orange in the UK before they rolled out GPRS and it was fine; although I kept losing connections on trains (and you have to go through the lengthy dial up procedure each time). Under the contract I was using then, my lo-call ISP number counted as part of my free minutes, so worked out very cheap. However, under my current contract (still with Orange), data calls to a lo-call number *do not* come under my free minutes. However, GPRS is superior in every way, so haven't actually used HSCSD in ages...

So, to answer your question... depends if your network operator offers HSCSD (do not try connection over a single channel GSM line, 9.6kbs is painful!); *and* they allow data calls under their free minutes; then yes you should be able to connect via AOL.

Hope that helps.

FBN

RE: What purpose does this serve
cyn @ 11/7/2002 8:50:12 AM #
when did AOL start using standard PPP?

RE: What purpose does this serve
Fly-By-Night @ 11/7/2002 9:17:58 AM #
That is true, they use some crappy system or other don't they? Suffice to say, you can use dial-up over HSCSD for *any* ISP except AOL (and possibly Compuserve -- if they still exist...).

FBN

RE: Which plan with At&t
Spartacus @ 11/7/2002 12:00:33 PM #
I have a t68I with At&t and they have me on some GPRS plan with 500 minutes for $39.99 and $18.99 extra for their ultra wireless plan with 8 megs of data usage. In 10 days with a lot of usage I've only used 1.5 megs. Any I go over comes in at just over $6 a meg. I don't think I will be able to use 8 meg in a month though. I am in northern california and it seems like a good plan and has worked great so far.

RE: What purpose does this serve
Xian @ 11/7/2002 12:28:40 PM #
T-Mobile has a GPRS plan called T-Zones Pro, giving you 10MB of data for $9.99. Works pretty nicely for me.

RE: What purpose does this serve
rhsauer @ 11/7/2002 4:31:02 PM #
Are you sure that plan includes data calls made through your phone via the palm? I was under the impression that it only includes WAP calls made by the phone (with the phone's WAP browser). Otherwise all their other data plans wouldn't make much sense. You'd better check, or you might be very surprised when you see your bill.

RE: What purpose does this serve
Xian @ 11/7/2002 5:23:05 PM #
I've used both T-Zones Pro and the basic $2.99 for 1MB with both my phone and my Palm (Tungsten T now, m505 formerly) with no problems and no additional charges.

RE: What purpose does this serve
jyao @ 11/8/2002 5:31:43 AM #
I use both. When I'm in my office and home, I would use my PC as my gateway to get onto the net. When I'm on the road, I would simply use my T68i. It has to do with speed and cost. GPRS via T68i works at no more than 56-64kbps and would incur either a per/minute or per/kilobyte charge depending on your carrier.

What a great story....

speedracer5 @ 11/6/2002 4:38:31 PM #
Of course I feel that way because I have a Bluetooth dongle on the way to my house as we speak. I was about to start doing some more reading in the forums. Is that one of the new Microsoft Bluetooth keyboards in the photo?

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You may be a race car driver at heart if you refer to leaving your driveway as "Turn 1"
RE: What a great story....
djpedro @ 11/8/2002 3:30:20 PM #
I believe that the Keyboard is an HP/Compaq laptop keyboard. They have those cool blue LEDS :)



Bluetooth for Windows

Jonmills88 @ 11/6/2002 4:45:55 PM #
Maybe I missed something but I wasnt sure what we were suppose to do as far as a bluetooth attachment for the PC.

RE: Bluetooth for Windows
Admin @ 11/6/2002 4:48:22 PM #
There are a bunch of different PC bluetooth adapters on the market now, take you pick as they all *hopefully* should work with this setup.
RE: Bluetooth for Windows
big_raji @ 11/7/2002 9:48:44 AM #
http://www.dlink.ca/products/usb/dbt120/

If you're in Canada, that's a bluetooth adapter for $75 (less than $50 US)

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George W. Bush at his best!
http://raj.phangureh.com/foolme.html

RE: Bluetooth for Windows
sdittm1 @ 11/8/2002 2:50:33 PM #
This one is cheaper and is good to 100ft compared to 33 feet listed in the above link.

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=294015

RE: Bluetooth for Windows
palmit @ 11/9/2002 4:50:57 PM #
Has anyone tried using the Belkin greater that 33ft away? I got the Dlink adaptor and it only works to about 30ft. It would be great to increase range!
RE: Bluetooth for Windows
big_raji @ 11/10/2002 5:45:28 AM #
Hmm, in Canada, the Belkin bluetooth adapter is $99 ($25 more than the dlink). I wonder if it's worth it...?

---
George W. Bush at his best!
http://raj.phangureh.com/foolme.html
RE: Bluetooth for Windows
AzureGuy @ 12/2/2002 1:30:56 AM #
Actually, @ www.ncix.com, I picked up the Belkin for $88.72 (CDN) before taxes and shipping. I can't wait to try it out!!

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Palm Powered, and READY TO ROLL!!!

Palm Bluetooth Access with Mac OS X 10.2

Mylo @ 11/6/2002 4:41:31 PM #
There is a tutorial available on www.macosxhints.com to do the same on Mac OS X 10.2:

"Share an internet connection with a Bluetooth device"
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20021103062212288

Enjoy!

RE: Palm Bluetooth Access with Mac OS X 10.2
Xian @ 11/6/2002 5:13:34 PM #
Interesting workaround. I wish Apple's BT stack would have LAN Access as a usable profile and make it as easy to setup as their 802.11b AirPort is for sharing.

RE: Palm Bluetooth Access with Mac OS X 10.2
fireproof @ 11/6/2002 6:00:57 PM #
What are you talking about? OS X 10.2 does have internet sharing.
RE: Palm Bluetooth Access with Mac OS X 10.2
fireproof @ 11/6/2002 6:02:22 PM #
Oh.

Sorry Xian. I need to learn how to read better -- in fact I agree with you.

duh.

RE: Palm Bluetooth Access with Mac OS X 10.2
Xian @ 11/6/2002 6:16:40 PM #
No problem. On reading my post now, I could have been clearer :)

RE: Palm Bluetooth Access with Mac OS X 10.2
critic @ 2/17/2003 12:01:43 AM #
So, it was mentioned that 10.2 includes BT internet sharing, but aside from the kludge workaround available through the link above, no one ever mentioned how to get it working.

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What do you think, sirs?

DNS Problems

nyates @ 11/6/2002 4:50:57 PM #
I have been trying this for days and can't get it to work. I keep getting DNS errors. Anybody else having this problem?

RE: DNS Problems
Zuber @ 11/7/2002 12:38:15 PM #
I have DNS problems trying to use the phone and my office dial up. My ISP dial up works fine. The device resets after the failure.

Zuber

How is this useful?

jonecool @ 11/6/2002 5:01:20 PM #
This is really good information and it's great to see people so eager to embrace new technologies, I'm just curious what value this capability would provide you?

Since the BT connection is being used only for internet connectivity(via PPP), you can't use this solution to HotSync your Palm wirelessly. BlueTooth has a limited range of 30ft, so essentially you need to be next to your PC to use this. In that case, why not use the PC?

If you need a greater distance for internet connectivity between your Palm and your network connection, 802.11b will allow a much greater distance (3-400ft. inside, 1000ft outdoord). The cost of buying the hardware (BT) for the Desktop, and MochaPPP, for about $100 more you could get an 802.11b connection that many would find greater roaming freedom.

I say this with some experience. I know little about BlueTooth, but I do use 802.11b with my VisorPrism/Xircom Springport and it's great. I can HotSync wirelessly to my desktop from anywhere in my house (or in the back yard). I can also load up Blazer, Avantgo, etc. and be off and running at much higher data rates than 115,200 baud.

I'm just curious, what is this useful for? What would your reason for using it be?



RE: How is this useful?
Nasaman007 @ 11/6/2002 5:34:06 PM #
My wife likes me to sit on the couch with her when we are watching tv and stuff. Using this bt connection, I plan on being able to read all the discussion boards that I am interested in, read current news articals and hotsynch right from my couch.

I also plan to use the bt hotsynch to synch in the morning. I leave my house at 5:15 am to goto the gym and generally don't leave myself enought time to get down to my computer and hotsych while I am getting dressed in the morning. Using bt, I'll be able to start the hotsych process right from my kitchen while I finish the last of my packing. Heck I could even start the hotsynch and then put the TT in my bag right way.(I don't want to keep the palm in the cradle all night and run some kind of automation file to automatically hot synch at say 5:00 because I'm afraid I'd forget to grab the PDA in my sleep state).

RE: How is this useful?
Admin @ 11/6/2002 5:34:21 PM #
Here's a few examples of why this is cool AND useful:

-If you have a small office, home or apartment you can surf the net, use an IM client, and email on your palm with a decent range (my adapter has a 100 meter range) live over the internet.

-Instead of sitting at a PC you can lounge on a couch or go outside and do the same things that typically tie you to a PC.

-Imagine a multiplayer online game on your palm handheld...

I could go on and on...

RE: How is this useful?
cg @ 11/6/2002 5:43:40 PM #
QUOTE: "Since the BT connection is being used only for internet connectivity(via PPP), you can't use this solution to HotSync your Palm wirelessly. "

You still can hotsync, select modem hotsync in your palm, set your modem sync preferences to "network", select the service you created in network, enable network hotsync in your PC. Tap you hotsync icon in your palm and you are ready.

RE: How is this useful?
Mithras @ 11/6/2002 7:43:31 PM #
It's all about surfing the web while you're on the toilet.

RE: How is this useful?
palmit @ 11/6/2002 8:13:10 PM #
(my adapter has a 100 meter range)

What BT USB adaptor you are using? Would you be limited by Palm TT range of 35 feet.

RE: How is this useful?
Fly-By-Night @ 11/7/2002 5:19:13 AM #
No doubt you could get a nice long USB cable for your dongle so you can surf from your garden. I know long USB cables somehow defeats the object of a cable replacement technology; but at least you won't have to run inside every 10 minutes to recharge your WiFi enabled T|T or Clie NX!

FBN

RE: How is this useful?
JPVann @ 11/7/2002 10:37:30 AM #
"It's all about surfing the web while you're on the toilet."


LOL! I knew there was a reason I was interested in this thread...

Jer 23:29

RE: How is this useful?
madhatter @ 11/7/2002 12:35:10 PM #
"You still can hotsync, select modem hotsync in your palm, set your modem sync preferences to "network", select the service you created in network, enable network hotsync in your PC. Tap you hotsync icon in your palm and you are ready"

Hey cq

I got the first part about setting the modem to palm, and the last part, about "enable the network hotsync", but where do I find "modem sync preferences" so I can set it to network... I have searched around the Palm and Desktop and can't see where it is.

It would really be useful to hotsync via bluetooth, and so far with Windows ME, I can't do it. ( although I can surf the web using the method described in the article with a BT card and my 515.)

Thanks for the help

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: How is this useful?
robman @ 11/7/2002 3:38:41 PM #
>Since the BT connection is being used only for >internet connectivity(via PPP), you can't use this >solution to HotSync your Palm wirelessly. BlueTooth >has a limited range of 30ft, so essentially you need >to be next to your PC to use this. In that case, why >not use the PC?

First of all, you should be able to HotSync wirelessly via a Network Sync. I do this all the time with Palm Ethernet Cradles. Don't see why this should be any different.

Secondly, I use my Xircom 802.11b to sync my Palm from upstairs in the morning while I'm taking a shower. This is because I'm too lazy to walk downstairs, put the Palm in the cradle, and then walk back upstairs again. :-)



Palm Researcher at the University of Texas at Austin
http://www.edb.utexas.edu/petrosino/pda

RE: How is this useful?
pdangel @ 11/9/2002 4:26:28 AM #
To bring in 802.11 time after time is real boring.....

Those "why not use 802.11 instead of Bluetooth" are real annoying.

It's like saying "why not use your car instead of you bicycle" over and over again.

802.11/WiFi NOT the one-size-fits-all wireless technology
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=PALM&read=44358 (adding: costs need to be updated)

Oner more time:

Bluetooth=PAN=small sized chip=cheap (see quantity)=low power=cable replacement (+ automatic synchronization)=supports voice right away=mobile (threw Telecom Networks: GSM, GPRS, CDMA....)

802.11/wifi=LAN=bigger sized chip=more costly=higher power=battery sapping=networking (no automatic synchronization)=doesn't support voice right away=not mobile enough (limited to Open Access Points/Hot Spots)

802.11 expert: "Bluetooth AND (not Versus) WiFi"; DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES FOR DIFFERENT NEEDS.
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=BTOOTH&read=489

Are we done now?



"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

Which Browser?

Gekko @ 11/6/2002 6:35:18 PM #
Forgive me if it's already been stated - but which Browser are you using? The "WebProV" one that came on the TT Essentials disk?

RE: Which Browser?
abosco @ 11/6/2002 6:55:38 PM #
It appears so, and you can tell because of the icons in the top right corner of the Tungsten in the picture.

BTW - WOW! Is this the first how-to since the m500/m505 USB fix article?

RE: Which Browser?
jeffmwknight @ 11/7/2002 12:07:01 PM #
Another great browser that I have found useful is the PocketLink browser which you can get at Palmgear.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2ED12062

USB Cradle

justauser @ 11/6/2002 7:30:10 PM #
I know this isn't bluetooth related but I don't have my TT yet... I noticed that Mocasoft product doesn't support USB. Any similar application/method to connect via the USB cradle (ie surf while my m505 is docked?)

Why not WI FI?

mopcodes @ 11/6/2002 7:51:23 PM #
Hello.

Bluetooth is fine and dandy, but what about a WI FI compatible device for conventional wireless networking?

I already have that running and I don't want to spend another $300+ for a Bluetooth access point.

When will we see one that's less expensive? Or better yet what about a WI FI sled? I doubt I'd buy an SDIO card since I'd loose my memory expansion.

D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer

RE: Why not WI FI?
masitti @ 11/6/2002 9:09:57 PM #
The T|T has built in Bluetooth, so you don't need to buy a BT adapter for it.

I've seen a BT dongle for the computer for under $100.



------------------------
Mario Masitti
O/T Mod
I Love Tennis :)

RE: Why not WI FI?
Quiet1 @ 11/6/2002 9:29:03 PM #
Nasaman007

You could still have your automation without being in the cradle. Check out Syncer at www.palmfreeware.com

http://www.freewarepalm.com/communication/syncer.shtml

I haven't tried it with BT yet, but works great in the cradle. I'm sure you get set the TT for BT Sync.

RE: Why not WI FI?
TinMan @ 11/7/2002 2:52:51 PM #
<<< Bluetooth is fine and dandy, but what about a WI FI compatible device for conventional wireless networking? >>>

While I would have preferred the TT have WiFi, Bluetooth is what's built-in. As such, I'd rather use it, if possible, instead of WiFi. In my case (at home, at least) the range is OK. If not, I have a laptop with WiFi/BT that I use as a make-do BT "repeater" if needed. Works for me, and I generally want to use the laptop anyway, should I need more-robust Net access.


-Mike

I sync, therefore I am.

Why not HomeRF?
pdangel @ 11/9/2002 4:33:46 AM #
Why not Spike?
Why not ZigBee?
Why not WirelessUSB?
Why not UWB?
Why not Wires?
Why not....

"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

Update connection on XP and TDK dongle

joaquin @ 11/7/2002 3:14:48 AM #
The internet connection is much easier on win XP.

Apart from pairing the devices, you only have to tip the box of sharing this internet connection with others in the properties/advanced window of the network adapter.

This all works great. I can now use my palm to browse over my dsl connection anywhere in my house. Don't have to go to my pc to surf the web.

RE: Update connection on XP and TDK dongle
travishill @ 11/7/2002 12:34:43 PM #
Except that this does not work with a Tungsten T....does it?

RE: Update connection on XP and TDK dongle
TinMan @ 11/7/2002 2:42:02 PM #
I have the TDK USB dongle, and it does not work with the Tungsten T (using the Network Access profile). In fact, I must disable the network access service entirely, in order to use the TT for Net access (using the Mocha PPP work-around).

Of course I tried the Network Access/ICS combo first, as I've used that for nearly a year with an iPAQ 3870. It doesn't work with the TT however.


-Mike

I sync, therefore I am.

RE: Update connection on XP and TDK dongle
TinMan @ 11/7/2002 2:50:41 PM #
Oh yea, I only run Win XP Pro...

I sync, therefore I am.

Only for a Lan/Proxy setup?

Gyre8 @ 11/7/2002 4:09:33 AM #
Does this Palm/Bluetooth/Internet connection setup only work if your PC connects to the Internet over a LAN using a proxy server?

What about if you simply have a direct modem/phone line connection to the net?

My Stuff... Win 2000 Pro lappy, MSI USB Bluetooth dongle, Palm 515 with Bluetooth SDIO Card,


Palm vs Iomega

melopsittacus @ 11/7/2002 5:35:46 AM #
I know that this is a simple question, but if one had to choose between, say, a Zip drive and a Bluetooth enabled Palm device, is there a reason to choose the Zip drive? It seems to me that such a Palm device (I am including Sony, etc. in this category) would now be the preferred alternative. Any thoughts?
RE: Palm vs Iomega
stupidnewpolicy @ 11/7/2002 7:56:30 AM #
I'm not sure where the origins of this particular comparison are coming from. Unless I'm just dense or sleepy (It IS before 8am at this point), you are asking about a choice between a storage device (ZIP Drive) and a PDA.

While it is true that the PDA could have an expansion slot, and be used as a USB-attached storage reader device, it's hardly it's main role in life. Additionally, it's possible to have a PDA and not a computer (though I'd not recommend it).

A ZIP Drive, alone, is utterly useless. It needs to be tethered to some sort of computer.

So, why again are you comparing these? I've had experience with both devices and would honestly like to share any info I have that you might find interesting.

Ick

RE: Palm vs Iomega
melopsittacus @ 11/7/2002 8:36:10 AM #
Hi Ick.
The reason I asked for information regarding this comparison is as follows.

I have a friend who is buying a new pc. As I am known by this friend as someone who tries to keep up with technology, he asked me for advice. Me, I have an old Palm III and an oldish Pentium III computer.

Now, I have been a long-time fan of Zip drives, and I have been rather adament about recommending them in the past. A PC without a means of sharing files larger than 1.4 MB is worthless (I know that the internet provides a means of file sharing, but it is still not as convenient as carrying around a floppy. Also, CD-RW is o.k. for archiving, but not so great as a means of portable filesharing).

Anyway, this friend's request for information got me thinking. Given that a Bluetooth enabled Palm device can potentially provide the same utility as a Zip drive, and given that it provides some much additional utility, why should anyone ever get a Zip drive (or somethig similar) anymore? I guess what I am asking is whether I shouldn't just tell my friend to skip the Zip drive and get a Palm device instead. The problem is that I don't know enough about how Bluetooth works and whether it is in fact easy to use a Palm device in the same manner as a floppy. I always figured this is something that Microsoft, and certainly Iomega, would want to make difficult.

RE: Palm vs Iomega
Fly-By-Night @ 11/7/2002 9:12:56 AM #
While you could (sort of) use a T|T for this, it seems rather pointless, especially when a ZIP drive costs less than a Zire ($99, or £79). Also, I'm not sure if Palms have the same type of software Sony ships with Clie's whereby you can stick any file on a MemoryStick, not just PRC's PDBs etc. over HotSync.

It's like deciding to buy a dog or a zoo to act as a pet. The zoo is vastly more expensive, and while you could count your animals as pets; they're not really, and the whole thing does so much more. Mmmm, not explained that bit very well -- analogies are supposed to make things clearer aren't they.... I think the ZIP/Palm bit was clearer (might use that as an analogy for anyone who's thinking of buying a zoo for a pet). Nurse, more medication please..............

FBN

RE: Palm vs Iomega
Solo @ 11/7/2002 9:26:26 AM #
I replaced my Iomega drive with an SD Card and a dongle.

Someone in this forum said you can buy a 256 megs SD Card and a dongle for under $130 at buy.com

That is VERY portable solution and with Bluetooth you can even do without the dongle if you have a USB adaptor.

Solo

RE: Palm vs Iomega
Lowrez @ 11/7/2002 2:23:38 PM #
CD-Rs are probably a better route for file sharing. They're super cheap and almost every computer around has a drive that can read them (not so with CD-RW). If the large size of CDs bother you, you can always buy the mini CD-R disks. They're still cheap and easily fit in your pocket. I use a combination of CD-R (for mp3s), Compact Flash (for pictures), and my Palm (word documents) to move my files around. It is really a matter of finding what works for you.

RE: Palm vs Iomega
stupidnewpolicy @ 11/8/2002 11:24:44 AM #
I also tend towards the CD solution. Partially because I have had 4 ZIP drives and 2 Jaz drives and every single one died prior to warranty expiration and I never got a satisfactory resolution from Iomega. I gave up on them.

And one of the previous comments was also appropriate - virtually every computer you run into these days has some form of CD drive. I use 3" Rewritables for file transfer/portability, and 700MB CDRs for backup and other miscellanous archiving. I do use the 64MB SD card in my m500, but mostly only for books and such. It lives permanently in my PDA. I used to use it for file transfer (using an eval copy of SyncWizard) and also other programs but I found that the file system tended to get corrupted quickly, so I abandoned that idea.

Hope that helps.

Ick

How far have you got it to work from ?

Zuber @ 11/7/2002 5:54:49 AM #
Assuming that you have a 100 meter range Bluetooth adaptor on your PC, how far have you managed to get your Palm to connect to the internet from.

I know that the Palm is only supposed to have a 10 meter range, so I was wandering if you managed to get a longer range when most of the traffic is being sent by the more powerful PC BT adaptor.

I assume radio waves sent by the Palm don't just suddenly stop when they cross the 10 meter threshhold from the Palm :) , so if the reciever is on the PC adaptor was particularly sensitive, a greater range may be achievable.

Zuber

RE: How far have you got it to work from ?
greevp @ 12/29/2002 12:08:33 PM #
I have got my bluetooth to connect succesfully from about 13 meters from the USB adaptor (through three brick walls) after that it just cuts out.

I am using a Belkin adaptor, and have bought a 3 meter USB externtion cord, which I have added to the 1.5 meter one that came with the Belkin.

I have the Adaptor 'Blue-Taced' to the wall that is closest to my bedroom (that the 13 meter as luck would have it) and just below the ceiling, with the adaptor verticle, USB down, and the stand up arial at 90 degrees so it stick out form the wall.

Using the Belkin, and the updated software from their web site, you get a power meter reading, I have used WinVNC and walked around watching the meter, via the Bluetooth and WinVNC , on the Palm. As soon as I move out of the house on the bedroom side, add another layer of double brick, the signal is gone.

But in the backyard I am still within 10 meters so I can use my Palm just about anywhere in the house, and in the Garden.

Hope that gives you some ideas, I can't say what the other adaptors are like, but I am very happy with the Belkin, but it did take a lot of fiddling to find the right position. (Note: keep it away from cast iorn, pot bellied stoves with metal flues, lol)

802.11 access point at work...

sdittm1 @ 11/7/2002 9:00:55 AM #
Is it possible to use b/t to access an 802.11 access point?

RE: 802.11 access point at work...
palmit @ 11/7/2002 11:12:27 AM #
Only if the 802.11 AP is acting like a gateway. I can't remember the name
of the UK company that makes this device.

RE: 802.11 access point at work...
ganoe @ 11/7/2002 12:01:49 PM #
> Is it possible to use b/t to access an 802.11 access point?

No. Not without some other device (if one is even available yet) to bridge those two different types of wireless networks.

RE: 802.11 access point at work...
palmit @ 11/7/2002 1:45:31 PM #
RE: 802.11 access point at work...
TinMan @ 11/7/2002 4:42:58 PM #
I use my laptop as a WiFi-to-BT bridge, but I would not claim I'm accessing WiFi via BT (certainly not directly).

-Mike

I sync, therefore I am.

I want my keyboard AND bluetooth!!!

hurshtx @ 11/7/2002 11:53:19 AM #
I travel a lot and would like to leave my laptop at home, but there is still one reason my Palm can not replace it on the road. This is because I understand I can not connect to the internet using BT or infrared and use a keyboard at the same time. Using graffiti while trying to carry on a conversation in instant messaging (IM) or replying to newsgroups on line just doesn't cut it. Even if you have free nation wide calling in the USA, using IM to talk to contacts overseas is a tremendous money saving alternative to long distance calling. I will not be happy until I can have a keyboard and internet connection at the same time on my Palm and cellular phone to give me a lighter alternative to my laptop on the road. I hope Palm OS6 will allow more than one serial port in use at the same time or someone develope a USB keyboard, if that would alleviate the problem.

Sorry if this post doesn't fit the subject of this article. Perhaps what is really needed is an acrticle "Using Palm with the internet" to cover all aspects of interent connection and use. Seems from the comments there is wide interest and questions concerning Palm use with the internet.

RE: I want my keyboard AND bluetooth!!!
gundam @ 11/7/2002 2:34:53 PM #
This may not fulfill all your wishes, but you can use this Wireless link Keyboard:

http://www.mi-products.com/pda_accessories_notes.html

Then your serial port will be free for a modem attachment or something?

Gundam

RE: I want my keyboard AND bluetooth!!!
Fernando @ 11/9/2002 5:50:44 PM #
I think that you can use bluetooth and the keyboard at the same time, just not ir and keyboard. Correct me if i'm wrong though.

RE: I want my keyboard AND bluetooth!!!
alanjrobertson @ 11/11/2002 4:01:49 PM #
Hiya hurshtx

There's no problem using your Palm Keyboard & BT at the same time - I do it myself to e-mail when travelling (BT to my SonyEricsson T68i). Perhaps the limitation you're meaning is if you use the Blue5/BlueM sled method rather than the SDIO card??

Cheers

Alan

info

blind505user @ 11/7/2002 1:36:08 PM #
Palm has been removing things from the ROM for some time now, and it seems like the ability to do a network sync on some of their models seems to be it. There is a patch available that used to work on some devices called netsync.prc. This would add the ability to network syncing to some palms that didn't have it native. I have had mixed results with it but it is worth looking into.

RE: info
blind505user @ 11/7/2002 1:37:59 PM #
This was supposed to be a reply to the above thread:
RE: How is this useful?
madhatter @ 11/7/2002 12:35:10 PM

"You still can hotsync, select modem hotsync in your palm, set your modem sync preferences to "network", select the service you created in network, enable network hotsync in your PC. Tap you hotsync icon in your palm and you are ready"

Hey cq

I got the first part about setting the modem to palm, and the last part, about "enable the network hotsync", but where do I find "modem sync preferences" so I can set it to network... I have searched around the Palm and Desktop and can't see where it is.

It would really be useful to hotsync via bluetooth, and so far with Windows ME, I can't do it. ( although I can surf the web using the method described in the article with a BT card and my 515.)

Thanks for the help

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.


RE: How is this useful?

cg @ 11/7/2002 1:24:43 PM #
QUOTE "Hey cq

I got the first part about setting the modem to palm, and the last part, about "enable the network hotsync", but where do I find "modem sync preferences" so I can set it to network... I have searched around the Palm and Desktop and can't see where it is."

1) Tap your HOME icon.
2) Select your HOTSYNC icon.
3) Tap the MENU icon. (or tap on the upper left corner of the screen where you read HOTSYNC)
4) Select MODEM SYNC PREF on the options menu.
5) Tap NETWORK.
6) Tap OK.
7) Tap SELECT SERVICE.

Hope this helps.

RE: How is this useful?
madhatter @ 11/7/2002 11:23:49 PM #
"5) Tap NETWORK.
6) Tap OK.
7) Tap SELECT SERVICE"

Great.... that got me started.. Now.. i set the local com port the same port the BT uses.. ( in this case com 5).. then I checked the network and local serial hotsync methods.. then it trys signing on and I get a PPP time out... did I miss a step?

Thanks for your help.. I'm new at networking..



A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: How is this useful?
madhatter @ 11/8/2002 12:50:44 AM #
"I get a PPP time out... did I miss a step?"

I did manage to get a BT hotsync by using Mocha W32 PPP with the network and local serial checked.... that is the only way is seems to work.. thanks for the assist...


A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: How is this useful?
palmit @ 11/14/2002 2:01:08 AM #
How can you have Mocha PPP & Hot sync running at same time using same serial port?

Slow News Week?

Beavis @ 11/8/2002 2:26:19 PM #
No Palm news in almost 48 hours? What is going on? Other sites have news. Handspring now offers grafitti via recoecho. Pocket Quicken updated to OS5, Quick office updated to OS5. Handera still has no new PDA. Rayman moves to OS5.

RE: Slow News Week?
Schu @ 11/8/2002 5:14:15 PM #
Hate to say it, but I think this site has slid a little since Ed's departure.

True simultaneous operation of Wi-Fi & Bluetooth

pdangel @ 11/9/2002 4:37:04 AM #
Nice catch palmit. Possio is a nice product imho.

The Bluesocket Wireless Gateway is interoperable with all Access Point vendors and technologies (i.e. 802.11a/b/g or Bluetooth).
http://www.bluesocket.com/news/wg2000.html
http://www.80211-planet.com/news/article/0,,1481_856291,00.html
http://www.commsdesign.com/csdmag/sections/cover_story/OEG20020107S0052

Red M Genos is an in-building wireless data and voice software solution that provides control, management, security, policy, roaming and other services for multiple types of wireless devices (PDA, PC, phone, tablets, headsets etc.), different wireless technologies (802.11a, b, g wireless LAN, Bluetooth, etc.) and multiple vendors' access points.
http://www.red-m.com/products/genos/
Red-M's 1050 Access Point - Supports both Bluetooth & 802.11b Point
http://www.red-m.com/products/1050AP/

802.11a chipleader Atheros with a 802.11a-Bluetooth solution
http://www.atheros.com/pt/ar5001AP.html

True simultaneous operation of Wi-Fi & Bluetooth....it's here.
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=PALM&read=44372


"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

Clie & Bluetooth

SHL @ 11/9/2002 10:31:54 AM #
Hardware: NR70V, Bluetooth memory stick, 3Com BT dongle

I need help on connecting my PC and the Clie so I can do remote sync. I don't seem to be able to establish serial connection (it doesn't sign on). All I could do is file transfer. Any help is appreciated. I really want to do what is described.

RE: Clie & Bluetooth
palmit @ 11/9/2002 4:57:23 PM #
My setup that works- Palm TT, Dlink adaptor on WinXP Home pc using MochaPPP.

If using Mocha PPP, make sure you disable BT client service "Dial-up networking & network access". Might also need to change BT serial comm port to another free one. BT comm port 5 did not work on my machine, changed it to comm port 4 and it started to work.

Serial access on a COM port

mikestokes @ 11/10/2002 3:13:25 PM #
How do I get my BT software to provide serial access on a COM port? I keep getting the same error message each time I try to connect with my TT. It says, "Error:Serial:timeout.Could be bad cable or faulty Modem. (0x0305)." A soft reset just doesn't seem to be solving the problem either. Anybody have any ideas?
RE: Serial access on a COM port
palmit @ 11/10/2002 4:08:17 PM #
Your BT software should have a serial port service. It will list the comm port its using. Make sure its the same comm port that you configure Mocha PPP with. Also disable BT Dialup networking & network access services.
RE: Serial access on a COM port
mikestokes @ 11/10/2002 6:26:31 PM #
I'm using a BlueGear USB Dongle. Maybe the software is just the craps, but I can't get it to show me any info on what COM port it's working on, or even any dialogue boxes on how to configure it. I know that I need to get the MochaPPP COM port selection to match what my BT Network Adapter is set on, but I can't figure out a way to configure the BT side of the equation. Any ideas?

RE: Serial access on a COM port
palmit @ 11/11/2002 2:11:15 AM #
It could be that the Bluegear software does not support virtual comm ports. It looks like it is using its own internet sharing sw (Home IP Locator).

http://www.amazingtech.com/b091h1_installation_faq.html

RE: Serial access on a COM port
jawest12 @ 11/11/2002 1:46:29 PM #
I have the bluegear and encountered the same prolem. It seems they felt like crippling their adaptor. It is capable, but they do not include the software. I also found it hard to believe they actually "made" the adaptor. It would make more sense that it is a generic one that was repackaged for them.

There is great hope. I found that most simply use a modified version of the Widcomm software. I was able to download one version that works with the Bluegears as long as you remove all Bluegear software, etc. To include removing the Bluelet device manager entry within Windows Devce Manager. I forgot this step initially, which would keep other software from working. It would not allow the USB adaptor to be available until you opened the bluegear software.

You can download the software from here http://www.tecomproduct.com. You will know it workd when you get several prompts after the reboot to install new hardware.

Let me know if you need any help with this.

RE: Serial access on a COM port
mikestokes @ 11/11/2002 9:18:16 PM #
OK....I'm making some more progress with this stupid Bluegear dingle dongle. I thought that another software driver might actually work, so I had already downloaded the SW driver from the Belkin website. MUCH BETTER!! However, I'm still getting PPP timeout messages. The thing that has me confused is that under 'My Device' in the 'My Bluetooth Places' window if you right click on 'My Device' a window comes up with various tabs. On the tab that says 'Local Services' is has the Bluetooth Serial Port as being on COM 5, but under the 'Client Applications' tab it has the Bluetooth Serial Port as being on COM 4. That would be alright if I could get the MochaPPP to work on either of those ports, but no dice!! I've stopped all of the other services and set them to manual as well except for the Bluetooth Serial Port, but still nothing. It senses the signal and gives me a sign on message on the TT but never completes the connection. Another thing. It has my Bluetooth LAN Access Server listed as Local Area Network 2 in network connections, but when I turn off the Network Access service in My Bluetooth places, it immediately tells me that the "Cable" is unplugged. Anyways, I'm getting closer to Nirvana (surfing while sitting on the throne), but still not quite there. Any ideas?


RE: Serial access on a COM port
jawest12 @ 11/11/2002 9:56:27 PM #
Local services is the one to concentrate on. The client services do not apply here. Try making sure that you do not have hotsync running for now. We can work on getting that working in tandem later.

Leave the My Devices section open when trying to connect from the Palm, and see if you see any change on the "Bluetooth Serial Port" device.

RE: Serial access on a COM port
mikestokes @ 11/13/2002 8:49:11 PM #
Alright....it's working now. I just went into Client Services and deleted the serial port entry, leaving only one serial port entry in Local Services working over COM4. Works like a charm. What a hassle though! I'm disappointed that it wasn't a whole lot easier to get this thing set up than that. Anyways, I'm glad it's working. Thanks for the help!!

RE: Serial access on a COM port
hickaloid @ 12/19/2002 3:58:07 PM #
I've tried to configure my tt with the bluegear "dingle dongle" using the info in this thread but to no avail. Can someone outline the basic sw config to get my tt talking bt? The only success i've had is with bluegear software "saw" my tt but didn't let it register.

I've deinstalled the bluegear software and installed the belkin drivers but it doesn't see my bt device (TT).

_hickaloid

RE: Serial access on a COM port
Orpheo666 @ 1/20/2003 12:56:25 PM #
Hi there, I have just bought the bluegear tech... it seems really complicated to have it work with my TT...

Can anyone provide us with a detailed how to on how to have an hotsync through BT ?

I have tried to call Bluegear Support service, without any success... they simply do not reply nor call back :(

Thanks in advance !


RE: Serial access on a COM port
nullmodem @ 4/16/2003 5:32:39 AM #
I was suckered into buying the BlueGear twin pack as well (prior to doing any research). But, thanks to this thread, I got it working.

So, here's what I did:

-DO NOT INSTALL THE BLUEGEAR SOFTWARE ;)
-Download the Belkin drivers for the F8T001
http://web.belkin.com/support/download/download.asp?category=206&lang=1&mode=

-Install the software, and then right click on your new bluetooth icon in the taskbar. Select Setup -> Configuration.

-Click the Client Applications tab and delete the serial port from there.

-Click the local services tab and set all the services to Manual (double click each, and take the check out of "Startup" Do it for all of them EXCEPT "BlueTooth Serial Port" Make note of which COM port is set for the BT serial.

-Apply your changes. You may want to do a quick reboot.

-Now, get a hold of MochaPPP, and set it to listen on the BT Serial, and you should be good to go!

That was my hacked together experience anyway. If there's a better way with these little guys, I'd love to hear it. I'm on WinXP-Pro, so I'd rather just set up an incoming network connection for the BT, but I can't seem to get that to work.

Have a great one!
-Pete

Pete (tungsten@peteweb.com)
-----------------------------
PDA-History: Palm Tungsten-t
Visor Prism
Visor Platinum

PPP workaround and Versamail

Rainman @ 11/12/2002 11:31:57 AM #
Thanks for the information. I use my laptop (win xphome) connected to my home LAN (broadband cable modem) via D-Link wi-fi and hotsync with a Belking BT USB adapter. After buying my Palm TT I was disappointed to find that it did not Hotsync with Outlook Express 6 (which I prefer to Outlook). With this solution I bypass the conduit and simply check my email accounts via the network. It is fast.

Is it not possible to leave the Hotsync manager open *and* run the PPP at the same time? (can mochasoft and hotsync share the COM port?)

RE: PPP workaround and Versamail
Rainman @ 11/12/2002 11:50:54 AM #
P.S. One unrelated thought: Since our TT's have the headphone jack and the voice recorder, doesn't it seem that we should be able to leave our BT-enabled phones in the briefcase (or backpack) and communicate with the Palm? That way we could say, "Could you repeat those: directions/recipe/grocery items while I record so I don't: get lost/screw-up/forget?" That would be sweet...

Connect to web though a networked PC?

WhoDat @ 11/12/2002 11:58:26 AM #
I am able to connect to a PC on my home network with the Belkin adaptor, but when I try to use WebPro (thinking that it will connect to the BT equipped PC, which will connect to DSL server) I get an error message saying something about checking my "Host Address" (currently set to www.palm.com/webpro).

Any hints on what changes to make, or if it is possible, to make it work.

Thanks in advance.

RE: Connect to web though a networked PC?
palmit @ 11/12/2002 1:26:42 PM #
Try webpro.palm.com or 63.97.179.33.
RE: Connect to web though a networked PC?
WhoDat @ 11/13/2002 10:44:20 AM #
I tried connecting through those means (actually I had been at my first post) and it still doesn't work. My concern is that is it possible to connect to the web through a PC that is connected to my DSL server through an 802.11b network?

Any extended range USB bluetooth adapter?

asiayeah @ 11/22/2002 5:55:21 AM #
Is there any USB bluetooth adapter that will certainly work with a Tungsten T with extended range?

An extended range bluetooth adapter claims a 100m range.

Tony

--
With great power comes great responsiblity.

RE: Any extended range USB bluetooth adapter?
pdangel @ 12/2/2002 3:24:28 AM #
Bluetooth has 3 Power Classes: Each device is classified into 3 power classes, Power Class 1, 2 & 3.

Power Class 1: is designed for long range (~100m) devices, with a max output power of 20 dBm,
Power Class 2: for ordinary range devices (~10m) devices, with a max output power of 4 dBm,
Power Class 3: for short range devices (~10cm) devices, with a max output power of 0 dBm.

http://203.147.194.107/infotooth/tutorial/radio.asp

Bluetooth Adapters
http://www.expansys.com/d_man.asp?cat=BLUET2
http://www.blueunplugged.com/shop/department.asp?Department=12

Examples....

Single Bluetooth USB dongle 100 meter up to 7 connections
http://www.thermalmasters.com/bluetbluetsi.html
Brain Boxes: Brain Boxes RS232 Bluetooth adapter with 100m range; Company now offers the full range of adapters to bring Bluetooth to PCs
http://hoovnews.hoovers.com/fp.asp?layout=printnews&doc_id=NR200211133600.3_a935000fc5ee8825
Brain Boxes Bluetooth 100 Meter range adapter: "This gives our product a tremendous advantage when looking for Bluetooth connectivity for office and SOHO environments. Bluetooth is very capable of operating over the same distances as 802.11 wireless networks, not just the 10 metre range many assume is the limit for Bluetooth".
http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=24278

Try google....



"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

RE: Any extended range USB bluetooth adapter?
pdangel @ 12/2/2002 3:43:39 AM #
Some interesting Bluetooth product reviews
http://www.bluetake.com/news.htm

BLUETOOTH ROUNDUP: Palm, Products, Reviews, Compatibility, Setups etc
http://discussion.brighthand.com/palmhandhelds/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18749



"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"

Palm support not helpful on this topic

tm19 @ 3/14/2003 10:09:53 AM #
This will be too late for anyone who has found this site, but I think it's annoying that the support folks at Palm do not seem to know how to answer this question.

Just yesterday (13 March) I wrote to them specifically to find out how to surf the Web via my Bluetooth/PC setup. All I got was instructions on how to download the Web Browser Pro pdf manual. BTW, that's no help either.

Palm reseting when 'Pinged'

dwalke15 @ 3/18/2003 2:03:30 PM #
Boy am I getting fed up. Bought a Tungsten 3 days ago and have spent the time trying to get Bluetooth working.

I have tried with both a Mitsumi USB dongle and a Bluetake access point - in both cases the problem is the same. I can get the Palm and PC (Windows XP Pro) talking, but if I try to access my LAN from the Palm I get a reset and simlarly if I Ping the Tungsten from my XP machine, the Palm resets ! The Palm connects to my LAN and authicates ok, it's just any attempt at access causes the problem.

I have succesfully got the MochaPPP client solution working - but to me this seems like a compromise. I have some questions

1) No matter how I setup Bluetooth on the Palm, I have to select a baud rate (115,000bps from the legacy serial drivers). Does anyone know wether Blue tooth on the Palm will always be limited to this speed (I believe the protocol supports close to 1Mbps).

2) I find browsing through WebPro to be VERY slow - is this a Bluetooth problem, MochaPPP or the fact that the Web Clipping proxy at palm.com is slow ?

3) Does anyone know a better browser that shows full web pages (even if they are unreadable!). Tapliner seemed promising, but it crashes under OS5 before I can get it to do anything useful.

Any help with any of the above would be oh so gratefully received !!

Thanks

Darren

PS Have been through the hoops with Palm support here in the UK - they have now suggested that I return the device for a new one - but I'm pretty sure this will not solve the problem.

T|T Reset after network connection.

mobilemetal @ 3/24/2003 8:10:51 AM #
Strange that many people here are reporting that they need MochaPPP to connect to a windows based machine. Network connection on my Mac (OS X) PC works without MochaPPP. I did have to run a script to "enable" network sharing, but it works without MochaPPP. Now, as for a connection with my windows (Win2K) PC; my T|T resets after I connect and try to access the network (without MochaPPP). And, I see where someone has experienced this reset when pinging the T|T from their PC (not sure what OS). So, My concern is... could this be a problem with windows, or maybe the BT driver for windows? Mac OS X uses its own BT driver, not a third party one.

I am not an expert on any of this, this is just an observation that I have made, and I will try to investigate further.



I HATE my Palm !

Sikosis @ 4/15/2003 9:40:11 PM #
I dont use this word often or lightly ... but I am starting to HATE, yes HATE Palm and my TT.

My PDA has become nothing more than a source of frustration.

The article doesn't work as, Palm support don't help you and so you're left with this "cool" thing that does sweet bugger all.



Problems with T|T

hombre @ 5/4/2003 10:53:33 AM #
I have the same problems with T|T like dwalke15 @ 3/18/2003 2:03:30 PM. T|T connects my LAN, gets the right IP-Address from the DHCP-Server, I can ping (http://www.searat.com/ping/ping_100d7.zip) the server from T|T, but if I try to communicate with the http server the T|T crashes. I'm enough frustrated now. I'll give that thing back to the vendor.


Tecom BT3034 for $29!!!

nekrataal @ 7/14/2003 4:53:14 PM #
Check out this link guys, they've got the Tecom Bluetooth dongle (the same one in the HOWTO) for sale for just 29 bucks! I've already orderd mine :)

http://store.yahoo.com/akidacomputer/bluetdonusb2.html

Windows XP Home

jiff @ 9/5/2003 8:21:24 AM #
I've read, with interest all the posts about how to get this to work...all the links/websites talk about Windows XP Pro. Does anyone know if there is a How to for Windows XP Home ?
RE: Windows XP Home
Ravyn @ 12/1/2003 2:07:59 AM #
Hope this helps but the same advice for XP Pro will work with Home, just a lil easier...

Bluetooth file xfer and windows

Ravyn @ 12/1/2003 2:09:24 AM #
I am looking for a good piece of software to xfer my desktop files to my clie UX50 via bluetooth rather than the cable, any suggestions? Sure, I can wireless sync via 802.11b but I dont always wish to go thru the whole sync for only one file? thanks in advance...

Why go through all this? There is a shorter way.

DemBones79 @ 2/9/2004 3:00:47 PM #
And it's sitting right under you Windows XP users' noses. Network Bridging. For those of you who are trying to get your Bluetooth adapters to give your Palm internet access on a network, it's quite simple. Open up your Network Connections page (easiest way is to open My Network Places, and click on the Network Connections link on the left pane). If your Bluetooth PC adapter is configured properly, you should see a connection labeled as "Bluetooth Network". Select that by clicking once. Hold down Ctrl on your keyboard and select your LAN network adapter (if you have more than one, whichever adapter connects you to the router). Now that both adapters are selected, right-click on one of them, either one- it doesn't matter, and choose "Bridge connections". Boom! Done. You have now joined your Bluetooth Network to your PC network, thus enabling full internet access through your PC.

Those fo you who are not accessing through a router, but instead are connecting directly to your cable/dsl modem, just enable Internet Connection Sharing through Windows. Also quite a simple procedure.

Those of you still using any Windows version prior to XP, good luck. I'm not quite sure if bridging can be done there or not.

Another benefit to doing it this way is that as near as I can tell, I'm accessing at best possible speed through my Bluetooth connection, rather than the mock-serial port speeds that I was, using the methods detailed in this article. It is still showing itself limited at 115kbps, but the improvement in speed is noticeable. Not to mention it is far easier to set up.

RE: Why go through all this? There is a shorter way.
pangs0 @ 4/28/2004 2:07:55 AM #
Okay - nice idea but I keep getting the same message after my T3 signs on and starts requesting the web page. All I ever get is
"DNS lookup timed out. Please check coverage. Comm 8"

I am not using any DNS settings !!!!

Bluetooth troubleshooting

rdhfn @ 2/23/2004 12:47:17 PM #
Tungsten T2 with Belkin USB Bluetooth f8t001
WinXP Home
Internet Access thru a cable modem

I have been successfull at setting up the BlueTooth network and internet sharing via XP. I can surf and get email (send/receive) for about 5-10 minutes and then something happens with the DNS and IP Addresses and the desktop loses it connection to the internet and then the palm. I followed the set up instructions from http://www.whizoo.com/bt_setup/ .

I have disabled Norton Firewall and retried it with the same results.

Thanks in advance.
Rdhfn

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