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RE: finally!!
Also, if a PDA is going to run Flash to any real effect, it seems to me that is has to have a lot more available RAM than 11MB (I have read that this is the amount of RAM available on the NX out-of-box) or be able stream data from an expansion card. Even as frugal as the Palm OS is with RAM something like Flash has got to use copious amounts of it.
When Sony says they are emphasizing entertainment, they are not kinding. :)
In the Spirit of Umoja,
Ronin
RE: finally!!
Just what we need, a tool to create elephantic applications...
RE: finally!!
I'd agree 100%. In theory, you could use Flash to do most things you do in other real (for lack of a better term) programming languages. Unfortunately, it most often gets used for things you could do much better in straight HTML (or HTML, style sheets and JavaScript). The things you might actually want to use Flash for usually get done in a "real" programming language like Java. If you get the logic, most of the Flash content you see is the wrong application used for the wrong purpose. If you want to see Flash put to good use, see the virtual tour of the Sydney Opera House at:
http://www.soh.nsw.gov.au/h/t_virtual_tour_fs1.html
If course it's huge, and you need Quicktime VR to use it, so that won't be coming to a Palm soon.
RE: finally!!
As for possible applications, Flash can be used for all kinds of things. It is of course great for doing cartoons and entertainment, presentations, slides shows, etc. but can also be used to do games, learning tools, or other types of interactive applications, without having to have knowledge of special programming languages, just a little knowledge of Actionscript. I think this is a great bit of news and look forward to what people come up with.
Here's an example...a site I worked on called Mathmastery.com. The site is a huge collection of math lessons for kids done in Flash, complete with quizzes, tests and games for each chapter. This would be great to download to a Palm, to be used anywhere.
RE: finally!!
Mary Jo, you are absolutely correct. Flash has great depth, but you don't have to be an expert to create good content. Flash on the Palm OS will allow "content experts", rather than "programming experts", to generate exciting new content. Flash on Pocket PC has been around a long time, but I think it needs to be on Palm to really take off.
Cleve
sample .swf file please
RE: finally!!
RE: finally!!
Why Flash?
People buy more good looking useless stuff then useful ugly stuff.
It IS very important to have 1GHz CPU to enable smooth 3D animation on a PDA.
not on Tungsten T?
that is odd. what's up palm?
Same as Real Mobile...
I guess Palmsource isn't very political oriented.
Solo
RE: not on Tungsten T?
I have a feeling that Palm is so focused on the Enterprise market to the exclusion of multimedia technologies like Flash, video and MP3 players.
Very very bad move!
-Chris
RE: not on Tungsten T? Relax...
We'll undoubtedly see this application for other Palm OS devices once there's been some hullabaloo for Sony's new products.
RE: not on Tungsten T?
Some software will only support certain PalmOS 5-devices. Add to this the older Dragonball-PalmOSes and the newbie-consumer better get some catching up done before s/he tries to install a new program!
RE: not on Tungsten T?
If it truly is 'embedded' it would run faster than with it just being a software pgm ....
in which case, Tungsten wouldn't have it immediately unless Macromedia realease a Flash pgm for Palm OS...
just some thoughts of which i'm sure i'm wrong.
-painted dog
RE: not on Tungsten T?
I'm sure that macromedia will release the Flash player for OS5, but they might be giving Sony the lead here. Everything counts when you are trying to sell the same widget.
RE: not on Tungsten T?
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
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RE: not on Tungsten T?
RE: not on Tungsten T?
Nah. Macromedia has said that they developed this for Palm OS over a year ago but performance qasn't there - so they were waiting for OS 5. There is no way in hell they would limit themselves to only 15% of the market. Palm sells over double what Sony does. We know it is technically possible to do on any ARM based PalmOS 5 device. As Ben said, Sony has decided to stay with their proprietary audio API - for now - so Flash *might* be temporarily on hold as far as standard OS 5 audio API support is concerned. But it is more likely that they simply have a deal with Sony that gives temporary exclusivity to Sony - i bet they have a general OS 5 release very soon. There is no technical reason why this can't work on the Tungsten.
RE: not on Tungsten T?
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: not on Tungsten T?
What is the limit?
RE: not on Tungsten T?
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
Flash Provides Meaningful Content
RE: Flash Provides Meaningful Content
Not Sure if this is old but NX-70V spotted at Circuit City
RE: Not Sure if this is old but NX-70V spotted at Circuit City
Can NX use Pocket PC Flash Files
Where are the 128 + sticks?
RE: Can NX use Pocket PC Flash Files
RE: Can NX use Pocket PC Flash Files
RE: Can NX use Pocket PC Flash Files
RE: Can NX use Pocket PC Flash Files
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
Native ARM code?
RE: Native ARM code?
I don't think the current Flash binary shipped on the NX70V is portable to the Tungsten T for a few reasons.
1) As a licensee-shipped ARM shared library. It is likely that its been compiled to take advantage of the extensions of Intel XScale processor on the device.
2) It may be making direct calls to the OS as built for the Sony device, rather than calling the operating system through PACE. It could be using special OS extensions that Sony put in place for the Flash library.
I don't see any reason why this couldn't be rebuilt for the Tungsten T, but it will take Palm working directly with Macromedia to get it to happen.
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
Had a chance to play with an NX70
RE: Had a chance to play with an NX70
I guess that a single platform format will never happen.
RE: Had a chance to play with an NX70
FBN
RE: Had a chance to play with an NX70
Huh? This would be weird - since all pocketPCs are 320*240.
RE: Had a chance to play with an NX70
RE: Had a chance to play with an NX70
Sweet!
Good: Finally! Flash for the Palm! I am very very happy with Macromedia.
Bad: I was in the middle of developing a Flash Player :P
Go Macromedia. Flash is great.
Eston Bond
CEO Pine Tree Software
RE: Sweet!
Yay.
Time to start porting my Jabber client to the 320x320(480) screen sizes. :)
Flash Games
For example, freearcade.com, candystand.com, just to name a few the dumb frosh play in my university.
"Now thats just PRIME!"
Flash Is Important
Flash MX is much more than a gaudy animation tool.MX is now a relatively simple Internet application development tool. Very shortly Palm users will see a very quick and amazing development of new and useful tools being offered to them. Even doubters like Ronin will be impressed.
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finally!!
can't wait to see flash on PalmOS PDA