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SanDisk has announced that 512MB and 1 GB SD cards will be available this year at a press conference at CeBit. SanDisk has also debuted 2 and 4 Gigabyte CompactFlash cards and a new MiniSD format. MiniSD was recently adopted by the SD card association as an ultra-small form factor SD card.
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Great, but...

Ben S @ 3/14/2003 10:57:32 AM #
...will the 512MB and 1GB SanDisk SD cards have the same "problem" with PalmOS units as some 128MB and 256MB SD cards? Hope not.


RE: Great, but...
Cap @ 3/14/2003 11:07:13 AM #
What problems do they have? I have a 64MB SD card for my Tungsten and have seen no problem.



My 512 MB card works like a champ...
WebMarc @ 3/14/2003 11:30:09 AM #
I've been using my 512MB SD card (Lexar is the mfgr) in the T|T for about a month with narry an issue. It's almost full between the 5 CDs worth of mp3's, a bunch of docs2go stuff, and mapopilis maps up the yin-yang.

Must... have... gigabyte... card...

RE: Great, but...
Altema @ 3/14/2003 11:30:52 AM #
Just a design handicap which limits their speed... the earlier SanDisk cards appear to have a 12bit controller, which makes them slower than other brands. There was talk of them eliminating the 'problem' in newer cards, but there would be no reliability issues even if they did not upgrade the card controller built into the card.

RE: Great, but...
JonathanChoo @ 3/14/2003 11:36:07 PM #
I think there is a problem with 256Mb Sandisk card since on my (and some people's PPC) Ipaq its too damn slow. Replaced it with a Lexar 256 and it was much much faster even on my T/T.

Current PDAs: Palm Tungsten T, HP Ipaq h5455

Past PDAs: Palm V, Palm m505, Palm m515, Sony Clie N770C/U, Sony Clie T625C, Sony Clie NR70V, Toshiba e310, Sony Clie NX60

1 gig MS

markgm @ 3/14/2003 11:04:57 AM #
Sony should work on a way of fitting 2 SD cards into 1 MS...then they could have a 2 gig card at the price of their 1 gig card ;-).

I'm impressed how small they can make these cards, and seeing a 1 gig available renews my faith in the SD medium.

RE: 1 gig MS
RAMdŽd @ 3/14/2003 12:17:24 PM #
then they could have a 2 gig card at the price of their 1 gig card


Not the Sony *I* know. They're pretty proud of the Memory Sticks.

Eventually the price would come down somewhat, but that would take some sweet time.

But- 2G in a handheld! Wow!

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RE: 1 gig MS
M3wThr33 @ 3/15/2003 2:43:35 AM #
Oh yes, the price will fall, once production is stopped and MS PREMIUM replaces MS PRO.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.

MiniSD

Fammy @ 3/14/2003 11:12:25 AM #
I'd hate to have to use a Mini to Normal SD adapter with any regularity. That thing will have to be small and thin! (Then again, SD cards are small and thing, but smaller and thiner).

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RE: MiniSD
mikemusick @ 3/14/2003 11:15:14 AM #
Imagine trying to change a MiniSD in the car and dropping it somewhere unretrievable. :(

RE: MiniSD
Fammy @ 3/14/2003 11:28:50 AM #
I do that already with CD's. I've got this nice, too-thin slot between the seat and the center of the car. They slide right on down.

Speaking of SD radios, has there ever been a product other than the Panasonic SD Radio? It was $1200+, a little much for me.

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RE: MiniSD
JKingGrim @ 3/14/2003 3:02:44 PM #
&1200 for a radio! Why not just buy a new handheld and a PC! Thats for tech junkies.

RE: MiniSD
Fammy @ 3/14/2003 3:41:04 PM #
Excuse me, $1399!

http://makeashorterlink.com/?B28812FC3

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RE: MiniSD
JKingGrim @ 3/16/2003 4:16:15 PM #
Oooooooooooooooh! I thought it was a radio on a SD card.

BIG sd chips

Origen @ 3/14/2003 10:59:25 AM #
Dang! I'd be able to put whole movies on them and watch them on my Tungsten T. Not that I really want to watch a movie on a screen that small, but hey, at least I could do it.

Seriously, other than maps for GPS, why would someone need 1 GB on an SD chip, since most palm apps are 50k?


RE: BIG sd chips
twizza @ 3/14/2003 11:35:34 AM #
The applications may be small, but at times teh associated databases can take up a lot more space. For example; I study the Bible. I have 5 bibles, the complete Strong's Lexicon/Concordance, a few commentaries, and a full collegic dictionary sitting on my card. I have a 128mb card with 50+MB full. There are also those that have a T/T and play mp3s. A 128 would not be a good size. They would need more space, and those are usually the people that save programs to memory cards anyways so they really would need the extra capicity. It also helps to have a backup of your system; so a large card really can help.

RE: BIG sd chips
Altema @ 3/14/2003 11:42:47 AM #
Yeah, that's one thing I had in mind when I ordered my 256Mb card a few days ago... at least when I get a new device! A whole movie would not be unless I was stranded somewhere, but it would be good for catching portions of a movie during whatever. I'll need to wait for a new device because the video playback is great on my M515, but the audio sucks. The audio playback on my Jornada is great, but the video sucks. Maybe if I get them syncronized, watch the one, and hold the other up to my ear? Nahhh.

RE: BIG sd chips
Altema @ 3/14/2003 11:56:33 AM #
"associated databases can take up a lot more space."

I'm with you on that. I only have 4 versions and the greek/hebrew lexicons, but those, combined with gps maps and over 40 books, take up 90Mb of my current 128Mb card.

RE: BIG sd chips
beboscott @ 3/14/2003 3:02:32 PM #
Altema and Twizza,

Where did you find the Strong's and H/G Lexicons? And do they integrate with the Bible software you have? One of the main reasons I still lug a laptop around is for the use of quickverse, and especially the reference books it has. It would be great to have all that functionality on my handheld - might even get me to upgrade my handheld! Thanks.

IIIxe & 3:16

RE: BIG sd chips
Navamske @ 3/14/2003 8:40:02 PM #
||Seriously, other than maps for GPS, why would someone need 1 GB on an SD chip, since most palm apps are 50k?||

With a Palm Tungsten T, Pocket Tunes (www.pocket-tunes.com), and a 1GB SD card, you're well on your way to having an iPod in your handheld, at least in terms of capacity.

RE: BIG sd chips
a @ 3/15/2003 3:19:27 AM #
amen twizza :-)

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RE: BIG sd chips
a @ 3/15/2003 3:21:07 AM #
BTW...on the lexicons, try olivetree, sorry, i dont have the link

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RE: Strongs and Lexicons
miked @ 3/15/2003 11:18:44 AM #
Check out www.olivetree.com. I use the NASB for reading, and quickly change (maintaining verse positioning) to KJV to reference Strongs. Although they have a NASB Strongs version, I do not recommend it - the Strongs contains far less information (also the page turns can be incredibly slow, although as I type this it is behaving and the page-down is normal speed ).

mike d

Where's the WiFi memory cards?

MV-Jon @ 3/14/2003 11:44:31 AM #
Remember a few months ago, I think it was CES or Comdex, SanDisk introduced memory cards with 802.11b?

Where are they? I would also be curious to see if they come out with high-capacity memory cards with 802.11b.

The Tungsten would be a real treat with a 1GB SD card and WiFi in the one slot.

--Jon

RE: Where's the WiFi memory cards?
mikecane @ 3/14/2003 5:47:05 PM #
Due this summer. Probably in time for PC Expo. My God, what a demo THAT will be! (I see everyone is now scarmbling to reserve hotel rooms...)

Two CF slots please?

Timothy Rapson @ 3/14/2003 1:54:23 PM #
What I want is a handheld with two CF slots. That would be nice.

Cheap, all the peripherals, and cheap!

Don't expect we'll ever see it.

Right now have dual slot Handera model, but nothing else with CF. If you put a peripheral in the CF slot, you have to use the more expensive SD for memory.

Probably never going to happen.

RE: Two CF slots please?
EdH @ 3/14/2003 2:06:02 PM #
>What I want is a handheld with two CF slots. That would be nice.

http://www.pocketpcminds.com/reviews/memplugdualcf.php

RE: Two CF slots please?
Marshall Flinkman @ 3/14/2003 6:01:19 PM #
>What I want is a handheld with two CF slots. That would be nice.

Why 2 CF slots in particular?

RE: Two CF slots please?
Timothy Rapson @ 3/14/2003 6:12:23 PM #
There is nothing particular that I want the two CF slots for, but it seems that with all the dual slot models, some as small as the Palm III, someone could fit two CF slots in there for very little extra room expense.

Then, as stated, you get one slot for peripherals, cheap, plentiful, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO peripherals, WiFi, Cameras, USB?, is there anything that is not available CF that SD does have? Then you have the other for the cheapest largest memory format anywhere. Imagine a 4 megapixel video/still camera with flash in one slot (think we'll ever get THAT with SD?) and a 6 gig Memory card in the other. Or a 6 GIG HD (think we will ever get SD sized hard disks?) in one and a 1 gig flash memory card in the other for faster access and lower power use. You could keep your movies on the HD and move them to the CF to run from there with the HD shut off.

Stuff like that.

Doesn't matter. Almost certainly ain't gonna go.

RE: Two CF slots please?
Timothy Rapson @ 3/14/2003 6:20:29 PM #
EdH, checking the photos of the dual CF sleeve. WOW, for $50! That is amazing. What a product, and what a price. The PCMIA dual slot sleeves cost what.....$200? and they are huge. And it's even smaller than a standard sleeve?! Amazing, simply amazing.

RE: Two CF slots please?
cbowers @ 3/14/2003 7:11:47 PM #
They've also got one with a CF slot and a memory Stick Slot.

Of course this on top of the SD slot in the iPaq itself (if it's a recent model), and you've got a tri-slot device.

RE: Two CF slots please?
cbowers @ 3/14/2003 7:13:35 PM #
How about a CF and a SD slot?
orb2069 @ 3/14/2003 8:58:29 PM #
...Been out for a couple of years now, with http://www.handera.com/accessories/compat.asp">support for a wide array of CF peripherals - Without size-adding sleds...

http://www.handera.com/products/330.asp">Handera 330



RE: Two CF slots please?
JonathanChoo @ 3/14/2003 11:42:56 PM #
They also do a CF/MS expansion slot for the Ipaq. But dual CF is best. With the largest currently avaible cards I COULD do 2.5Gb on my Ipaq. 5Gb is not too long when Pretec releases those 2Gb cards.

Current PDAs: Palm Tungsten T, HP Ipaq h5455

Past PDAs: Palm V, Palm m505, Palm m515, Sony Clie N770C/U, Sony Clie T625C, Sony Clie NR70V, Toshiba e310, Sony Clie NX60

MS Mistake , SD Mistake

tvoung @ 3/14/2003 2:12:25 PM #
So where are the people who said sony had made mistakes with the memory stick when they released the MS Duo?

Seems SD now doing the same - mini me syndrome.

whoops me to big to get into mobile phone memory market too.

~Tv~

RE: MS Mistake , SD Mistake
cbowers @ 3/14/2003 3:58:13 PM #
There are plenty of mistakes to look at with MemoryStick without looking too carefully at Duo. In Sony's case, a smaller version of a bad thing is still a bad thing ;-)

This is just a follow-on of the RS-MMC card (RS as in Reduced Size) annouced by Hitachi last November.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E2C932FC3

While it went unannounced here, it was reported on Brighthand.com

http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2B952FC3

RE: MS Mistake , SD Mistake
Timothy Rapson @ 3/14/2003 7:00:57 PM #
This isn't one bit like that. Sony dropped all support for the original Memory Stick so I will never have a 1 gig card for my Clie NR70V that I bought after Sony promised me 1 gig MS cards were coming.

For this to be like Sony's rotten deal, the SD assoc. would have to announce that they are going to all SD mini format and the mini SD formats won't work in any current devices, even with an adapter.

Man, would you see a bunch of MAD people in here if SD/MMC were announcing that.

RE: MS Mistake , SD Mistake
cykalan @ 3/16/2003 8:46:13 AM #
hey man, this is not a correct analogy...

it is ms duo <-> mini sd...

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Why not on board memory

cassidy @ 3/14/2003 3:23:50 PM #
If they can fit 1 gb in such a small card, why not on board in a palm unit? It seems that it should be able to work, or am I missing something?

RE: Why not on board memory
Lo_Pro @ 3/14/2003 4:31:06 PM #
You know, that's a good question and idea!!!

RE: Why not on board memory
WebMarc @ 3/14/2003 4:55:44 PM #
A bar to implementing an SD card on board could be controller/speed issues. AFAIK all Palm SD controllers are 1 bit (that *really* is single bit) transfer, which is why it takes a few noticeable moments to copy a db to "card 0."

It may be that implementing a multibit controller adds too much $$$ overhead and messes up their price points.

Thoughts?

RE: Why not on board memory
Marshall Flinkman @ 3/14/2003 6:04:00 PM #
Also, cards don't require battery power to store the data. Onboard, every Mb needs that much more juice, so they keep it low so as not to end up with a brick or a battery hog.

RE: Why not on board memory
Timothy Rapson @ 3/14/2003 7:05:45 PM #
I think he is right. PDA manufacturers should have 128-512 meg of flash built onto the motherboards in some high end models by now. Then, you could install music and video right out of the box, without buying a card.

I really think with flash chips getting so cheap, they should be doing this. There is just a little of it in the new Axim, and high end Ipaqs that include 20 meg of extra ROM for storage. The Sony has 10 meg of flash memory that can be used with JackFlash to store files. Lots more would be very handy.

RE: Why not on board memory
cbowers @ 3/14/2003 7:09:02 PM #
"It may be that implementing a multibit controller adds too much $$$ overhead and messes up their price points."

Recall that the HandEra 330 and TrgPro has a CF slot. CF is 16 bit (optionally 8).



RE: Why not on board memory
macuser @ 3/16/2003 1:11:58 PM #
Why? because they couldn't jack up the prices on low-end models...

RE: Why not on board memory
useybird @ 3/16/2003 10:17:55 PM #
The handheld RAM itself cannot use the flash memory like it can with RAM. RAM is usable memory, flash is storage. The reason you can use the flash on a handheld is that it takes the data on the card and translates it so it can be used in RAM similar to a PC's hard drive and RAM. However, there is a new kind of RAM just being introduced but not on the market yet, that is Called MRAM or Magnetic RAM. This does the same thing as RAM but when the power goes off it does not erase and uses no battery while off. I am looking forward to when they put this on Palms and also OLED displays. The OLED displays will be self-lit so no backlight is necessary and has better color than LCD.

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Jumbo SD Caution!

mikecane @ 3/14/2003 5:44:42 PM #
What are the block sizes of these monsters? I'm still pissed that my measly 16MB Memory Stick requires 16K to hold a sub-1K DOC file! What waste! Imagine the added waste with these babies... better buy seven!

RE: Jumbo SD Caution!
BlueAnon @ 3/14/2003 9:57:22 PM #
It has nothing to do with the SD. It's the file system. FAT16 vs FAT32
RE: Jumbo SD Caution!
mikecane @ 3/15/2003 8:21:39 AM #
%$#@. I forgot: MS strieks again. So, what would the block sizes be, then?

Palm with dual support

onlypalm4me @ 3/14/2003 9:41:08 PM #
the SD card reaching 1GB is great but i would love to see a a Palm that either has dual SD slots or CF and SD slots. Especially with CF prices being lower than SD prices. I wonder if the reason Palm won't put in CF support is because they are part of the group that brought SD to market? Something to think about.

Palm, The Only PDA


1GB Memory Stick Pro

Edward Green @ 3/15/2003 7:49:18 AM #
Strange that no-one has mentioned the SanDisk 1GB memory stick pro at CeBit .

http://tinyurl.com/7iv5



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RE: 1GB Memory Stick Pro
Edward Green @ 3/15/2003 1:56:03 PM #
Seems it is old news ... Sony's press release was early march. I must have missed it.

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mini sd

hoda2200 @ 3/26/2008 10:52:59 AM #
how to format mini sd 1gb


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