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RE: No more puny screens, please!
RE: No more puny screens, please!
"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs
RE: No more puny screens, please!
True - i was just staring at the ipaq 5450 a few minutes ago and the brightness of the screen really stands out. however soemthing else stood out as well: i was amazed how - after using nothing but the tungsten t for the last few weeks - the ipaq display suddenly looked really grainny. This is the same experience i had when i went back to using a palm m505 after having used an ipaq for a month. ahhh relativity. my point? aside from the slight increase in quality with brightness and colour saturation - that 320x320 T|T screen is still better because its as good as a reflective screen can get AND has higher res than on the PPC. Of course - as yr saying - what we want is both worlds - transflective + 320x320.
RE: No more puny screens, please!
RE: No more puny screens, please!
"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs
RE: No more puny screens, please!
RE: No more puny screens, please!
RE: No more puny screens, please!
". Of course - as yr saying - what we want is both worlds - transflective + 320x320."
I have been really dreaming of a 320 by 480 transflective that is as bright and colorful as the new Ipaqs, but as smooth as the Clies.
Now, I don't know. I use a Clie. I am pretty sure it is merely reflective as it is nowhere near as bright as the newer Ipaqs. The very latest, the NZ is a lot brighter, but I don't know if they just boosted the backlight or went transflective. But, I can barely use it out of doors now. Taking pictures can be a real crap shoot. I could not go with anything less capable outside, so maybe I should forego the transflective.
As it is, I so agree with you on the matter of what one gets used to.
I could have been perfectly happy with a 320 by 240 before I got my NR. No more. I am just too used to the smoothness to go back. As long as I don't gaze too long at those bright, bright Ipaq screens, I am very happy with my Clie. Even at it's worse, it is always easilly viewable. Something you can't say about all PDAs. There were times when my Mono Ipaq simply needed it to be darker in the room with the backlight turned on or much lighter in the room with no backlight. In church was the worse, a good amount of ambient light, but the light was so far away and indirect I could not get the Ipaq at any angle that made it readable.
I never have that problem with the NR.
As always, your mileage may vary and make sure you try it out before you plunk down your hardearned bucks.
RE: No more puny screens, please!
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Mario Masitti
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I believe about the rumor of new Zire
RE: I believe about the rumor of new Zire
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RE: I believe about the rumor of new Zire
Put 4M on it, and make the usb port work with keyboards and usb flash drives, and you've got a winner.
With this low end device, Palm wouldn't have to meet a $200 price point for the higher end one. They could make something cut down like the sj22, but with an arm processor, and charge $50 more than the $200 that sony does.
RE: I believe about the rumor of new Zire
too bad the tungsten C doesnt have BT.
RE: I believe about the rumor of new Zire
RE: I believe about the rumor of new Zire
Tungsten C could be cool
Any word on expansion ports? Same as T|T perhaps?
--Jon
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
If not, then there's still quite a bit of life left in the classic V/m500 formfactor, and Palm would be quite foolish to discard something that is to many *the* classic representation of a modern PDA. The T|T is nice, but I get aggrivated by the slider and am always bumping the voice recorder button by accident. Brighthand's recent editorial said it best last week when the author claimed there was only one "safe" side on the T|T (devoid of buttons, connectors, slots etc).
I can live with either a buggy half-baked OS or a handheld with some ergnomic issues, but a heaping of both can get very tiresome after a while.
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
I'd plonk down money for a slightly higher spec son of T|T; more memory, better battery life, maybe another SD slot, maybe removing that slider and making it fixed in the closed form for a smaller size (since 5.2 should remove the need for a hard graffiti area).
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
I also hope that Palm moves the navigator pad to the top of the keyboard - although I doubt it. I have played around a bit with the W and I really find that the unit is harder to use with the pad below the keyboard. Maybe it's just me.
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
I do not doubt that a Tungsten Palm with both wi-fi and bluetooth would guzzle like no Palm before it...and the additional RAM would only worsen matters. Of course, for many users, this would be a small price to pay for having the ability to never be away from 'net access (asssuming you have a BT cellphone) while all the while keeping the SD slot open.
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
Or better yet:
If Palm REALLY wants to have a hit like the Vx once again, simply take the T|W form factor (minus antenna and keyboard) put a 320 x 480 TRANSFLECTIVE screen (virtual graffiti), add a jog dial (keep the 5 way as well), and fix the audio ! Sony's too retarded to get this done so why not INNOVATE and do it BEFORE Sony for once?!?!?!?!?! AAAAAGGHGHGHGHGHHhhhhhhhhh! Do it... just do it.... you won't be going broke if you simply LISTEN to your customers... really!
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
I agree and think that if they released one in that form factor with VG, hi res+, and BT it would be a good seller. 32Mb Ram and 16Mb flash would make it a killer.
Tungsten C: adding not replacement.
http://www.brighthand.com/article/New_Palm_SG_Model_Coming_in_a_Month_or_So
It's an interesting and logical wireless adding to there i705 decice, Tungsten T Bluetooth Model and Palm PDAs with SDIO support.
Bluetooth and Wifi Differences
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Bluetooth Applications
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G6B324FE3
"PalmSource expects that we are only seeing the beginning of what is expected to be a long line of Palm OS devices with embedded WiFi capabilities." http://www.palmsource.com/palmos/wifi_article.html
Asustek nor the Palm Solution Group has granted a PDA with built-in WiFi by the FCC.....yet!!!!!
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
- The device is listed as having 64MB RAM...NICE!
- They praise Xircom (Intel) for supporting WiFi on Palm devices. Support is certainly questionable here... Their tech support for these devices sucks. Nor are they supporting any enterprise level functionality that you should have for corporate environments (802.1x, EAP, etc...) on their devices. They aren't even going to support their existing universal connector sleds with drivers for OS5. Apparently, these will fit the T|T (albeit not as perfectly as m Series Palms), but are useless w/o an OS5 driver. I'd have to disagree with their statement that they are truly taking the initiative. You have to do more than just manufacture the hardware for this IMHO...
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
FOR THE LIFE OF ME; I agree, why why why cant they do that when everybody knows that would be an INSTANT HIT. Even the TT form; 320x320 when closed, for address, quick info etc & 320x480 when open for picture viewing, spread sheet, ebooks etc.
Can anybody give us any reason WHY Palm would not do this???????
Tungsten Vx would be cooler!
32MB would be fine. I don't know that they could squeeze 64 into the Vx. (It seems that when more RAM is added, people tend to write fatter apps!) I'd want decent battery life! My iPAQ 3765 drains quickly without use, over three or four days. My Vx can go over a week of daily use and still have about 40%-50% battery life left.
I use my PDAs (V and iPAQ) outdoors about 30% of the time, and the iP's screen is almost always a problem to read.
I've been waiting for the T|T's price to drop a little more, but it's icons don't seem as nice as the iP's. Is that a function of resolution?
About Virtual Graffiti- what is that? I'd love to have a T|T that didn't open up, and let me write on the whole screen for Graffiti input, instead of having to access the designated input area. (I like Graffiti, but the iP's handwriting recognition seems to work much better than my V's. Does GII work any better?)
Huge screens are nice, but I really want something that fits in my pocket like the Vx/m505. (And I want an all metal case!)
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Makes Me A Believer - Tungsten C
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Why would www.Palm.com reference the Tung C if they were not going to make it, and, sell it soon I might add.
Any day now!
RE: Tungsten C could be cool
Skip Ferderber
Digital Media support?
"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs
RE: Digital Media support?
RE: Digital Media support?
"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs
RE: Digital Media support?
RE: Digital Media support?
RE: Digital Media support?
RE: Digital Media support?
I refuse to carry around the same damn album everywhere.
RE: Digital Media support?
MonkeyK @ 3/25/2003 10:38:57 AM
Personally, until >1GB external memory is readily available for my PDA, I don't care about listening to music on the PDA.
I refuse to carry around the same damn album everywhere.
Exactly, AMEN
RE: Digital Media support?
I refuse to carry around the same damn album everywhere.
Agreed, almost. I recall seeing 1G SD memory announced, and I could live with that. I use a 5G iPod, and I'm not shopping for a PDA/MP3 player to replace it, especially with only 8/16/32/64MB RAM.
With 1G SD cards and decent headphones, the 'Pod might see a little less action.
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Amazon's due date (oops)
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"Availability: This item will be released on December 12, 2012. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives."
and I thought OS6 was going to take a long time...
:)
RE: Amazon's due date (oops)
Guess they don't like letting us know the real lead time of some things. ;o)
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RE: Amazon's due date (oops)
RE: Amazon's due date (oops)
"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs
RE: Amazon's due date (oops)
...|3eep |3eep!!...
RE: Amazon's due date (oops)
Some Amazonian seems to have a sense of humor with the date and price place holders.
CompUSA tends to use the numeric date for the price place holders- i.e. $40120.03! Happy April 1!
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Thanks but "no thanks"
Sorry, that's not for me. I am sticking with TT until I see some real improvement in a new model. 400 MHz does not mean anything to me (I am not interested in running benchmarks to show up) and I don't have any use of a mini keyboard either.
RE: Thanks but
Matt A.
RE: Thanks but
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IIIxe & 3:16
RE: Thanks but
Why? I like to type. My handwriting is atrocious. Therefore, I get much higher accuracy with a thumbboard. :)
RE: Thanks but
I would rephrase that:
"Most people who are not hard-core pda users would prefer a toy or an mp3 player over a PDA". I seriously doubt if a thumb pad user uses this functionality more than an average graffiti user.
It is simply a psychological thing. Many potential buyers are afraid of hand writing. It might be ignorace, it might be FUD. It might be the mistake of them linking PDA directly with conventional computing schemes ("Where is that "X" button to close the application ?").
I find keyboard input inefficient, if not silly, but many would disagree. Graffiti was one thing that made Palm so succesful. It's a different era now. PDA makers target bigger markets and less capable or loyal users. I am not an average user. I am bound with my Palm. I use it everyday for my needs, not just to show off. I just wish Palm (and others) will continue catering for users like me.
RE: Thanks but
When I am out and about, I am primarily using the unit as a reference book - so the nav pad and stylus are all I need. The notepad is nice for the impromtu jotting that sometimes is necessary - maybe I'm not typical - but I think it's funny that Palm has done such a great job finally making a one-handed unit, only to put out a handhand that requires you to use two hands (and thumbs) for data entry.
RE: I agree with Bebo
I do NOT want:
a built-in keyboard
a built-in camera
a built-in microphone
a built-in GPS
a built-in MP3 player
Keyboards really are handy!
I am personally looking forward to this device to replace my Treo 90. I was looking at a new Sony the other day, and I loved the responsiveness of the applications, etc... with the new CPU's and OS5. I was really planning on getting the new Sony G50, but the "11 MB useable RAM" really turned me off. This new Tungsten C looks like just the ticket.
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RE: Thanks but
Simply stated - it fits my needs for how I use the product. Others have different needs and requirements.
No single solution is meant for all.
RE: Thanks but
I've been hoping for half a Clie NR70 or NX70, but an m505 with virtual graffiti sounds even better (higher capacity SD cards to store Kinoma video files). It seemed like Sony would be the first to offer something along these lines, then the earlier rumors of the newest Palms suggested one would have VG.
Oh well.
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RE: Graffiti is better
In terms of input speed, check out the results below, and check out the winner.
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gfunkmagic @ 3/24/2003 7:14:58 PM
What you guys fail to understand is that YOU and most people who visit forums like this are NOT the average pda consumer that PalmSG is targeting!! "
But who cares about THEM!:) They are just the 850,000 folks keeping Palm in business these days. :)
If all this trickles down properly, we may get a $99 Qire some day with all the bells and whistle. We will be sitting here whining that it doesn't wash our car for us!
RE: Thanks but
Insignia, the leading provider of accelerated Java solutions and owner of the well known Jeode VM is strongly collaborating with TI in OMAP CPUs.
> Secondly, how many Palm users are using Java? I would venture to guess it is a very small number. Not even sure what you're complaining about or what point you are trying to get across.
Java is the present in mobile technology and most likely in the PDA market in the near future when J2ME-Personal Profile becomes the industry standard.
> The Intel XScale device is certainly much more capable of handling Java and the other capabilities of the Tungsten C due to the higher performing XScale core.
Not if there is Java optimisation on silicon. Higher CPU frequencies are just a marketing ploy, something that Intel has done successfully in the desktop market.
> What you guys fail to understand is that YOU and most people who visit forums like this are NOT the average pda consumer that PalmSG is targeting!! "
Just because 99% of the people are happy with a Yazumi cassete recorder does not prevent electronic companies to produce HiFi machines as well.
RE: Thanks but
No, economics does that.
In the audiophile world, folks will pay far more for a piece of hardware than 99% of "the people". Where else can you find interconnect cables that actually sell for $300 and more for a pair of 3meter cables?!
60" plasma (not just rear projection!) TVs are selling, to somebody. (Not me.
But Palm is not in the position to sell truly exclusive, high end PDAs.
I wish they were. But we just have to wait until they are in a better financial position, or technology becomes much cheaper.
Until then, the majority of the buying public rules, especially when so many PDA buyers want Tungstes that sell for $149.
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Virtual Graffiti
Anyone want to guess when palm will start this?
Went from a Palm Vx to a Palm m515 and my next palm will be virtual graffiti.
RE: Virtual Graffiti
(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)
T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
RE: T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
The Bluetooth signal that the PDA outputs is like water falling on your head in the shower. WiFi is analogous to someone outside the shower trying to talk to you. The further away they are, the harder it is for you to hear them clearly or understand them at all. That is, with Bluetooth and WiFi in the same device, the further you are from a wireless access point, the greater the signal degredation, or the greater likelihood that you won't be able to get a decent signal at all.
That's how it was explained to me that we don't see many - or any - devices with both Bluetooth and WiFi built in.
RE: T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
RE: T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
RE: T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
> unless we start to see some bluetooth access points popping up.
Well, Belkin is currently selling one for not too bad of a price.
Personally, I think a plain Zire like the current one with built-in Bluetooth would be the killer device. I can just see the kids running around chatting and playing games on them.
RE: T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
(Personally, I don't have a problem with an 802.11b PalmOS device - I do enterprise applications that can definitely benefit from that kind of connectivity. YMMV.)
RE: T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
RE: T|C? ARHH, why no bluetooth?
For the record, I'll take BT over WiFi because 802.11g is out but I haven't heard peep about putting it in a handheld.
Thumb Pad vs "Virtual Graffiti"
On the plus side I think 802.11? is great as long as there is a solution for conserving battery life. IMHO Palm or Sony needs to create a small unit with 320x480 while maintaining it's historic battery life.
RE: Thumb Pad vs
not insane
I've been carrying Palms forever but never as productive as with my Treo90. I enjoy pushing buttons and I like being able to enter data one-handed. For me it's about twice as efficient as unistrokes.
The 802.11 is perfect for me since I don't carry a bluetooth phone but there is 802.11 at home and every office I hang out in.
If they'd shove a Verizon flavored CDMA voice/data module up in there plus a good speakerphone I'd be completely done. (and kept the 802.11, and maybe even added BT)--actually voice over IP would be handy too. and a case of beer.
yip yip
-r
Sod WiFi
On another note, hail to palm on the consumer camera device. finally! something damn cool AND sellable. since it's os5, it'll do mp3's too. has nobody identified this as a killer device other than me?
RE: Sod WiFi
on the subject of why wi-fi, there are plenty of reasons. i think 30 minutes is probably a bit of an exaggeration--toshiba e740 users have reported much better than this. plus you can get a pretty powerful battry in these things these days--the tungsten w has a pretty big battery. in addition, have you ever been to a major university? many of them have wireless networks already in place campus-wide. i, personally, would find it very useful.
RE: Sod WiFi
RE: Sod WiFi
It makes sense to me.
RE: Sod WiFi
what's wrong with bluetooth in an airport lounge, a coffee shop or any other enclosed location? it's perfect. you don't need g-speed wireless on a PDA! (not yet, anyway ;)
here's my spin on wireless:
enclosed locations - bluetooth
campus locations - bluetooth is less viable but there's still the "popular areas" like coffee shops or libraries where this is still a runner
anywhere else: GPRS or Wide-Area coverage.
GPRS is still available by bluetooth ;)
I know from experience GPRS has been slow rolling out in europe and as bad in the US, but it's easier to find than wifi. costs more, so there's the final solution:
wimax: the metro-scale wifi standard which has just been published. puts wifi seriously into perspective.
the other perspective is portable diesel generators. until these are practical, i maintain wifi is just plain daft on a PDA ;)
RE: Sod WiFi
Slow? I've been using it in Greece for about 2 years now. I pay about 30 euros a month for unlimited data transfers, and no phone charges when connected. It is quite reliable, and though it is not as fast as my landline modem (in practice, that is) I use it to connect with my PC too.
I am not one of those people who think Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are in competition with each other. Due to my circumstances BT is essential. Wi-Fi isn't, but it would be a welcome addition to any handheld, since I can imagine using it in a corporate LAN, the airport, or wherever else Wi-Fi access points will appear. For everywhere else (e.g. trips in the country, etc) bluetooth is extremely useful, since you can connect in places where there is no chance of finding an access point.
Even before we get Wi-Fi and BT in one PDA, I think we would like to see a tablet-form device with 320x480 resolution, 32 MB RAM, Bluetooth built-in and virtual grafitti. I am sure it would be a huge success if only someone made it...
RE: Sod WiFi
What's wrong is that it's not the direction the market in the US is heading. Airports, coffee houses, hotels, libraries, schools and business campuses are using WiFi. The majority of the home wireless market is WiFi at home, too. Doesn't mean it's better or worse. It's just the way it is.
Battery life is a big concern but, for now, that 30 minute estimate is all speculation, isn't it? I'll wait and see.
palm better get a new stylus
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I am one of the crazy ones!
RE: palm better get a new stylus
new tungsten C
In brief a kind of " wireless Palm tablet" using caracter recognition.
would like to have a "Palm tablet" pda larger screen input by writing on the screen
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