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PalmSource has posted more information on their upcoming developer seminars. The first of which will be held in San Franscisco Bay Area on May 6 & 7th. In addition, the date for the major annual PalmSource conference has been pushed back to February 2004.
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Will PIC be covering it?

JKingGrim @ 4/10/2003 2:54:43 PM #
Will the seminar be covered? Will the info in it be released to the public?

RE: Will PIC be covering it?
Admin @ 4/10/2003 3:03:03 PM #
We will definately cover the conference and any news and developments that come out of it. Whether I make it there in person is doubtful as recordings and pictures are not allowed. I'm looking into it...
RE: Will PIC be covering it?
kidA @ 4/10/2003 6:20:51 PM #
i've always loved deveKoper conferences.

Mike Cane was right --

mikecane @ 4/10/2003 6:10:21 PM #
-- in other words: PALM OS SIX WILL BE LATE!!

"According to the latest PalmSource developer newsletter, the decision to delay the Annual Developer Conference was made based on the need to support and sustain sales of the current line-up of Palm Powered products." -- translation: PALM OS SIX WILL BE LATE!!

Chalk one up for my Predictions...

2004 ain't 2003, kids!

RE: Mike Cane was right --
Michael Mace @ 4/10/2003 6:40:54 PM #
Sorry to be contrary, but the reason we delayed the conference was because the licensees and others told us loudly and firmly that doing a dev conference (and thereby whipping up a frenzy about future technologies) was a really, really dumb thing to do in the middle of the Christmas selling season, when the licensees want everyone focused on what they're selling at that moment.

This is not spin-meistering, gang -- I was there and it's what really happened. We shouldn't have tried to put the conference in December in the first place, and we should have checked with the licensees more thoroughly before we announced the date.

So now the conference will be in February 04, and we'll use the developer seminars this summer to communicate the new OS technologies (and new licensees) that people will see in time for the holiday season.

Mike
CCO, PalmSource

RE: Mike Cane wasn't right --
mikecane @ 4/10/2003 7:05:35 PM #
Hey, this is great! Eric the Red *didn't* fire you after all!

Seriously, thanks for telling us sotto voce to expect Palm OS 6 *this* year.

RE: Mike Cane was right --
Scott R @ 4/10/2003 8:27:07 PM #
"Sorry to be contrary, but the reason we delayed the conference was because the licensees and others told us loudly and firmly that doing a dev conference (and thereby whipping up a frenzy about future technologies) was a really, really dumb thing to do in the middle of the Christmas selling season, when the licensees want everyone focused on what they're selling at that moment."

Please elaborate. So are OS6 products coming out in 2003 or not? I don't think anybody cares if OS6 makes it within 2003 if devices don't ship until 2004. While it makes sense that the OS would be completed before the device manufacturers can start building devices with it, I have to admit that I kinda like Microsoft's model whereby their new OSes (thinking desktops here, too) are released in conjunction with devices/desktops that have it.

Scott

RE: Mike Cane was right --
Scott R @ 4/10/2003 8:30:06 PM #
BTW, for what it's worth, I won't bash Palm if OS6 products don't come out in 2003. The market still stinks and OS5 aint awful. Since MM is watching, I'll just take this opportunity to suggest that he start watching the competition outside of Microsoftland. Personally, I think Danger is gearing up to own the wireless market (and, let's face it, wireless is the present/future).

Scott

RE: Mike Cane was right --
BlueAnon @ 4/11/2003 1:58:59 AM #
It's pretty save to say the OS 6.0 will be no earlier then Q2 now.

IE. whatever the spin will be, it's 6 months late.

Why should consumer care if a Palm Dev. on november or feb will affect their christmas purchase or not if they know all handheld will be upgradable to the new OS.

so, it's either late, or Palm Inc really cannot convince consumer that the New OS will transition into legacy devices smoothly.

RE: Mike Cane was right --
BlueAnon @ 4/11/2003 2:11:02 AM #
So now that we know OS 6.0 is late anybody want to run a betting tab when it will finally come out?

I'll say Q3 2004 at the earliest (ie. one year late) Hey it's better then OS5.0 which was 2.5 years late.

RE: Mike Cane was right --
enjolras @ 4/11/2003 11:21:08 AM #
How do we know that OS 6 is late?

Your taking this as fact, when you know very little about the true state of affairs.

IIRC OS 5 shipped in June of last year, with the first devices making it out in Q4 of 2002. It's not June.

RE: Mike Cane was right --
Michael Mace @ 4/11/2003 1:34:59 PM #
Hi, gang.

I'll try to settle some of the confusion, but obviously I can't talk in detail about all of our future plans.

--We've always said that Palm OS 6 will ship *to licensees* this year. That's still the plan, and I'm confident about it. When it ships to users installed in hardware is up to the licensees, and I hope PalmSource hasn't made any public predictions about that, because we shouldn't. It's up to the licensees, and depends on their schedules.

--There's another assumption everyone's making: that you won't see any enhancements to the OS prior to Palm OS 6. When we first briefed people on our road map, we said that we were in discussions with licensees about which features they wanted first. They had a lot of feedback for us, and you'll see the results at the developer seminar, if not before.

Mike
CCO, PalmSource

RE: os6 on which device?
graph @ 4/11/2003 1:38:24 PM #
Can the current OS5 devices upgrade to OS6? if yes do we have to wait for a few months after builtin OS6 devices comes out to be able to get OS5-OS6 upgrades?

upgrades?
hotpaw4 @ 4/11/2003 1:56:44 PM #
>Can the current OS5 devices upgrade to OS6?

Assuming that the new OS fits in the ROMs and that the devices have safe reflashing support, that's still up to the each licensee. Some licensee's have provided OS upgrades in the past, some have not.

RE: Mike Cane was right --
BlueAnon @ 4/11/2003 2:36:15 PM #
There are only 2 big licensees that matter in US PDA market:

Sony. Sure as hell they won't upgrade, unless hell freezes over. And they have every reason not wanting consumer to know what cool features OS6.0 will have 4 months after plunking down several hundred smackers on that christmas gift.

then there is Palm Inc. Good luck getting a straight answer if 6.0 upgrade is a painless upgrade process or not. That company is so screw up, it takes them 3 months to fix audio problem and they still haven't release web browser they say they are going to release from last year press release.

Palm Source? They'll give you a variant of
"upgrade? go ask licensee, it ain't our problem",
"it's on time", "we never promise a release date",
"blame Saddam/weak market condition /terrorist /snow storm/ SARS/ North Korea has nuke"

RE: Mike Cane might be right --
mikecane @ 4/11/2003 3:13:13 PM #
"--We've always said that Palm OS 6 will ship *to licensees* this year. That's still the plan, and I'm confident about it."

...er, 12/31/03 is still 2003...

I can see it now: 12/31/03 11:59PM -- the ROM is made available to licensees. Of course, if we count Japan, that's already 2004...

(I like giving Mace a hard time! He's such a nice guy. And he knows that Palm has screwed up for years and years and years -- and none of want it to continue that, er, heritage.)

RE: Mike Cane was right --
Gekko @ 4/11/2003 8:42:22 PM #
mr. mace - please post this in the palmsource lunch room in big, bold letters:

"Never quit, never do the expected, never rest on
your laurels, never think great is good enough, Never Follow."


RE: Mike Cane was right --
rsc1000 @ 4/13/2003 3:10:42 PM #
I bought bought my T|T knowing it only had 4MB of flash ROM and that all but 64k is used. So im thinking the chances are 100% that its not upgradable to OS 6 - anybody disagree?

OS 5 and 6
Marshall Flinkman @ 4/13/2003 8:36:53 PM #
Actually, they had said the OS 6 will have the same footprint as OS 5, and that if the device can be upgraded (which the TT can) that it would work. Some people may not consider this 100% certain until someone does it, but that's as much as we can know for now.

RE: Mike Cane was right --
rsc1000 @ 4/14/2003 5:03:36 PM #
"Actually, they had said the OS 6 will have the same footprint as OS 5,"

who stated this and where? do you have a link? it would be a very positive thing if this was the case.

This make sense

RhinoSteve @ 4/11/2003 12:04:46 AM #
Hey, to the crybaby, I-want-it-now Palmarati out there, please chill.

Frankly, I welcome PalmSource not coming out 'til after the the Christmas buying season. This preview-o-rama, two day tour is going to be good for all of us to see how much of out code breaks under Palm OS 6.

Just make sure the pizza and twinkies are served at the coding labs.

RE: This make sense
BlueAnon @ 4/11/2003 3:57:01 AM #
yeah specially if the news in the conference will be.
ehrr.......guys, you know all those new gadget you've just bought last christmas? well OS 6.0 won't run on them, why do you think we decide to weasel out the conference till now. Happy new year anyway.

..........groan....

Confirmation for Munich

PalmSide @ 4/11/2003 6:38:20 AM #
On the PalmSource site i didn't find any information on the European Seminar... Munich would be really great (just about one hour away from me). But i'd like to have some reliable information before april 15th to apply for the early "bird" discount.

RE: Confirmation for Munich
Admin @ 4/11/2003 5:15:44 PM #
the April 15th early bird discount applies to the SF seminar
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