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Palm has released a software patch that combines previously released system updates and fixes some additional issues. Notably, the update fixes a Bluetooth Internet connection issue.
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Harbinger?

kailou @ 5/8/2003 12:08:40 PM #
OK, nice, a POS update ... or is it a harbinger of TT2?!

RE: Harbinger?
nullmodem @ 5/10/2003 6:42:04 AM #
I'm not sure what you mean by TT2, but if you mean another Tungsten|T style PDA, I'm sure it's coming... they are likely to offer another business-class PDA with grafitti. My hope is that the next model will do away with static-grafitti, and head toward a Sony-type virtual model.

However, if you mean a full OS update (OS5 to OS5.2.1) then man, I sure hope so. Although this update fixed the problems I was having with my bluetooth dongle (thankyou,thankyou,thankyou), it seems like it was basically "hacked together" and thrown out there in a hurry. This indicates to me an act of appeasement while they work on a proper update.

Considering they've already announced that OS5.2 is "mainly a bug fix release" (http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/palmos50/os52overview.html) and have listed the multitude of bugs in OS5, it seems not only reasonable, but obligatory, to expect an OS5.2 update for the T|T.

Thoughts on timeline, anyone?
-nullmodem

audio playback patch

Gekko @ 5/8/2003 12:21:44 PM #
i don't like this patch. i don't like the 'snap/crackle/pop' it does to the system sound.

RE: audio playback patch
asiayeah @ 5/8/2003 12:33:31 PM #
Now, it eats up 600KB of free memory. Why don't Palm release it as a flash ROM?

How could one uninstall the patch?

Thanks.

Tony

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RE: audio playback patch
Uncle Enzo @ 5/8/2003 3:31:31 PM #
Not only it takes 600ko but it crashes powerrun when I try to run it :<
How to uninstall it!!

RE: audio playback patch
dboehme @ 5/8/2003 3:55:30 PM #
I also use PowerRun but have had no problems. Perhaps you can try to reinstall it (don't install any other apps) and restart your Palm?

RE: audio playback patch
Uncle Enzo @ 5/8/2003 4:55:42 PM #
I can not even uninstall powerrun now (the palm crashes when I try to do it).
I have tried to install another time powerrun over my existing version and it is even worse (I have an error message Memory Manager etc... before Powerrun was "just" frozen).
I think that I will have to perform a hard reset pretty soon...

RE: audio playback patch
dboehme @ 5/8/2003 6:34:42 PM #
Sorry...I meant reinstalling the patch, not PowerRun. You could also delete PowerRun using McFile or similar and reinstall that. You just have to regenerate your shortcuts.

RE: audio playback patch
mentalsrule @ 5/9/2003 2:05:06 AM #
have you tried a warm reset to try and uninstall anything?

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RE: audio playback patch
ppetto @ 5/10/2003 10:40:44 PM #
Is there any fix for the crackly system click that the new patch effects?

(I thought I heard this same crackle once before when I installed the audio patch for the second time.)

RE: audio playback patch
Altema @ 5/11/2003 1:30:43 PM #
Either you can turn the system sound to low, or remove the patch by hotsync/hard reset/hotsync.

What you are hearing is what the system click actually sounds like without the highs chopped off.

If you do not use the headphones and don't care about music playback, or the system clicks are more important, then remove the patch.

If the headphone output and music are more important than the system click, then leave the patch. This patch is much better than how the Palm sounds out of the box, and is also an improvement over the first patch.

Out of the box, the T|T has no highs and little bass extension, but sounds good with the normal beeps and bops. With the old patch, the midrange was flattened out, the high filter removed, but the bass was still weak. The new patch smooths the midrange further, gets rid of the 'spitty' high end, and finally gives some decent bass response (but could use a little more).

I was doing a sound check and thought I'd try patching the T|T into the 12,000 watt system I was prepping for a concert. Everyone enjoyed the tunes which I used to check monitors, with some just sitting in the audience enjoying the music. You should have seen their mouths drop open when I broke the news that it was coming from my Palm!

RE: audio playback patch
jackl @ 5/22/2003 12:24:08 PM #
I too am still amazed that I can run my car stereo off of the T|T - AeroPlayer and put 1 1/2 complete (three hour) Phish shows in mp3 on a 256 MB SD card with pretty decent sound...truly a modern miracle...


Finally a patch after 6 months

asiayeah @ 5/8/2003 12:23:01 PM #
I am so glad to finally see the patch for "345 files" is finally here. I have reported it to Palm after a few days of getting my Tungsten T and I am sure Palm must have received thousands of bug reports solely on this particular bug.

Tony Cheung


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old patches

ptc @ 5/8/2003 1:12:20 PM #
So... if you already installed the previously avialable digitizer and sound patch, should you instal this one??

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RE: old patches
emceephd @ 5/8/2003 1:35:42 PM #
From the website: This patch incorporates and replaces the following previously released patches for Palm Tungsten T: PalmDigitizerUpdate.prc and PalmAudioUpdate.prc.

RE: old patches
xtremist5150 @ 5/8/2003 1:43:18 PM #
I'm pretty sure it's safe to install this on top of the existing patches; they would have said otherwise, were that not true.

Then again, this IS Palm....hmmmm.



RE: old patches
MV-Jon @ 5/8/2003 1:51:50 PM #
I installed it over my old audio and digitizer patches and have had no problems.

Jon Niola
President/CEO
Media Vortex, Inc.

memory card update for the TT

xalia @ 5/8/2003 2:10:38 PM #
With all these patches – and think how long TT is out – Palm.Inc should give us a memory card to install all of them…

Is that all?

peitron @ 5/8/2003 2:07:04 PM #
Hopefully this is just a temporary patch until Palm makes an OS5.2 update available. Any ideas?

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RE: Is that all?
mentalsrule @ 5/11/2003 8:27:35 PM #
are you sure Palm is going to let you update the Tungsten to OS 5.2?

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Digitizer?

peitron @ 5/8/2003 2:30:30 PM #
Is anyone experiencing problems with the digitizer on Blueboard and Notepad after installing this new update?

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RE: Digitizer?
csandifor @ 5/9/2003 12:46:39 PM #
I did experience general digitizer problems after intalling the patch. I did a soft reset, and it seems to have fixed the problem. I'm waiting to see if the problem comes back.
RE: Digitizer?
csandifor @ 5/9/2003 1:17:29 PM #
The problem is still there!

RE: Digitizer?
jsulmeyer @ 5/11/2003 9:23:52 AM #
Yes! Soon after installing the update I found that notepad was unresponsive in several places on the screen, although it was inconsistent. Damn! How do we UNINSTALL this patch? I can do a hard reset, but the patch will be reinstalled during the initial HotSync...

Does anyone know which files to uninstall from the backup directory so I can do a hard reset and HotSync my T|T without reinstalling the patch?

RE: Digitizer?
Altema @ 5/11/2003 1:28:05 PM #
The new patch does not get reinstalled after a hard reset/hotsync reload.

PPP Server not needed...?

jack @ 5/8/2003 3:51:31 PM #
What exactly _do_ you have to do to get Internet connectivity with this new update? Was this a PC-only type of update for Bluetooth internet sharing?

Does this render all the workarounds broken, as in this fix for Mac OS X:

http://www.technohappymeal.com/archives/000070.html

?

Thoughts?

RE: PPP Server not needed...?
nekrataal @ 5/8/2003 4:07:16 PM #
wonder if PIC will have a way for the TG-50 to get internet access without MochaPPP. In theory the TT setup should work the same.

RE: PPP Server not needed...?
HandAble @ 5/8/2003 4:57:26 PM #
With XP, it was a snap.. set your computer's regular connection to allow it to be shared, pair the PC with the TT, then have the TT connect to the PC network via BT...

(Snap is relative, it took me an hour or so of fiddling to find the right combination.. but it DID work.. and the combination seems simple enough when all was said and done.. Ryan, feel free to contact me if you want more details)

RE: PPP Server not needed...?
Altema @ 5/9/2003 3:02:52 AM #
"With XP, it was a snap.. set your computer's regular connection to allow it to be shared, pair the PC with the TT, then have the TT connect to the PC network via BT..."

Care to share your setup with someone on XP? Just picked up a BT dongle which works great for hotsync, but can't connect otherwise. Already added the pair and have been trying different combinations for the last few hours.

RE: PPP Server not needed...?
JoeBarbs @ 5/9/2003 8:16:27 AM #
handable, I would love to know your steps also. I have the same setup. WinXP, with a bluetooth dongle. I am able to hotsynch with no problems, but I just can't seem to surf the net. I am able to connect via network to my computer, but I get a dns error when I try to surf the web via my tungsten t.

Palm IIIC to a Tungsten T
RE: PPP Server not needed...?
jack @ 5/9/2003 3:35:35 PM #
do you Windows users, when sharing Internet with Bluetooth, aren't able to HotSync? We Mac OS X users, utilizing the AppleScripts (that turn on and off the unix ppp server and various other firewall settings) from "technohappymeal", cannot hotsync (until we stop Internet sharing over Bluetooth)...perhaps this should be moved to the forums...

Does this mean I don't need MochaPPP?

bringer @ 5/8/2003 4:07:49 PM #
I don't plan on loading this update until I know what the Bluetooth fix is exactly. I have already loaded the audio patch and the digitizer patch (although I wasn't having problems before I loaded it). I don't have the 345 files error since I use Launcher X for all my file management functions. However I am using MochaPPP on my Windows 98 machine to browse at home. If I could get rid of MochaPPP and have one less app running to get this to work, I would consider loading this patch.
Anybody know if this Bluetooth fix just patches the Windows 2000/XP connection issues or if it actually replaces MochaPPP?

Bob

RE: Does this mean I don't need MochaPPP?
Altema @ 5/13/2003 3:02:33 PM #
It just fixes connection issues. You will either need to follow the setup instructions on the discussion forum, or use the PPP server. My BT adapter is a little different and did not show up as a network place under XP Pro. After fiddling around for three days, I went ahead with the Mocha PPP software and was up in 5 minutes. Mocha is loaded on the desktop/laptop, but requires no additional apps on the Palm.

RE: Does this mean I don't need MochaPPP?
Altema @ 5/13/2003 3:07:11 PM #
PS: I have to add that the Mocha connection has been 100% reliable so far... connecting everytime on the first try and not disconnecting until I power off or disconnect intentionally. The setup is unusual though. I installed the Win XP client on the laptop, but setup the connection to the Palm as a Windows CE device.

Two more minor updates

spiros @ 5/8/2003 4:58:02 PM #
Two more minor updates:

When connecting to a network The "Service Connection Progress" dialog box has color icons.

The version number of "Applications" now is 4.5.1P

Launcher X - Two Applications Icons

skennedy1217 @ 5/8/2003 6:23:05 PM #
I use Launcher X 1.0.2, which already had an icon labeled Applications (to take you back to the Palm UI). Now I have TWO icons labeled Applications, except that one (I think the original since the new one showed up as unfiled) is missing the ==> (arrow) icon.



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RE: Launcher X - Two Applications Icons
skennedy1217 @ 5/8/2003 6:28:44 PM #
Went into App Check and it listed 'Applications' once...deleted it and now I only have one in LX.

Is it me, or does the audio sound better that with the old patch? Maybe I lost the old one between all the resets... Did this update remove the old patch?Palm website says that this one will have to be reinstalled in case of a 'hard' reset. I second whoever said "where is the ROM upgrade?"

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RE: Launcher X - Two Applications Icons
duke mobile @ 5/8/2003 6:31:39 PM #
Exact same here. I've also noticed that when I tap LX's refresh button, the arrow icon lies above the second app (pressing again forces it back to the first).

Duke

RE: Launcher X - Two Applications Icons
Altema @ 5/9/2003 10:57:24 AM #
I had that too, but deleted just the PRC for the older 90k one. They had to do this as a patch because the US T|T has less than 100k free. Filez is wrong when it shows 8Mb, it's really 4Mb.

Bluetooth big improvement for Dial Up

Zuber @ 5/8/2003 7:34:33 PM #
They appear to have improved the Bluetooth code for Dial Up networking.

I can now connect to my Office ISP.

Before, it would always reset the device even if I used a non proxy Browser. Now, Proxy browser still fails, but none proxy browser is able to resolve DNS etc. correctly now and I can surf.

Typical, just went and ordered a Zaurus. You guys should be thanking me, they would not have released it if thet thought I was keeping the TT ;)

Zuber

RE: Bluetooth big improvement for Dial Up
Trampoline @ 5/9/2003 11:28:20 AM #
I'd swear the telephone icon for dial-up has changed colour - it's orangey-yellow, I thought it was blue or grey before... Am I imagining this?

Seems to connect to GPRS via Bluetooth a lot more smoothly now [after installing the update].

--Dean.

RE: Bluetooth big improvement for Dial Up
Trekker @ 5/15/2003 8:12:38 AM #
Dean,
You're not imagining it!! My phone icon is now yellow.
My TT establishes a connection with my T68i but when I actually try to go to a website I get the following message

"Communication Error. Please scheck coverage, check that the Host Address in Preferences is correct, and try again"

Do you have this problem. I am also connecting via GPRS.

Trekker

New TT Update, TDK BT Adapter, Internet via PC

perrotta @ 5/8/2003 9:27:03 PM #
Check

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13829

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Bluetooth access finally works!

HostAccess @ 5/8/2003 10:00:41 PM #
Well, I downloaded the patch and after much futzing around, I finally got the Tungsten T communicating with my ThinkPad T30 without rebooting . I must say that nothing is obvious in getting this to work.

The main problem right now is that I don't know how to configure my laptop to act as a DHCP server for the Bluetooth LAN. I had to hard-code an IP address on the T30 Bluetooth adapter and also hard-code IP address and DNS server on my Tungsten T.

Once I figure out more details, I'll post my instructions.

If anyone knows that part, let me know!

Pierre

Here are some helpful instructions on how to get it working

scott_dresser @ 5/9/2003 9:23:27 AM #
I've posted my configuration notes here:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13812

-Scott

New T|T patch

PIC-user @ 5/9/2003 11:39:24 AM #
The reason I bought a Palm unit with flash memory is so that the patches would be flashed to rom not reside in RAM (according to PALM). When is this going to happen? RAM is precious real estate.

RE: New T|T patch
asiayeah @ 5/9/2003 4:22:40 PM #
Yes, it is eating over 600KB of free memory, that's almost 5% of the total free memory available!

Tony

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RE: New T|T patch
mentalsrule @ 5/11/2003 8:30:33 PM #
its sad but true. Most PPC updates are in ROM, so i cant understand why Palm and other PalmOS companies do the same. Especially with the devices that have the whole memory restriction thing going on, such as the NX and NZ devices.

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Desperate! Bluetooth (with MS keyboard) and Tung T

EricCartman @ 5/10/2003 1:10:53 AM #
Hello... love this site, just registered after reading for like 6 months... my first post here.


Does anyone know how to use the Tungsten T with the Bluetooth adapter included in the Microsoft Bluetooth Keyboard/Mouse box? It didn't work before or after the update. MS bluetooth options are horrible, can't make a My Network Places for bluetooth or much else. Thanks!



RE: Desperate! Bluetooth (with MS keyboard) and Tung T
hkklife @ 5/12/2003 10:31:34 AM #
I recall readng about this a while back---it seems that the MS Bluetooth bundle is a somewhat proprietary solution. I don't know if it's a hardware or a software issue but I think that the MS Bluetooth drivers lack the ability to deal with anything related to com ports. I am unsure if this has/can be resolved with a software update or work-around but I do recall this issue being raised back in October or so, right around the time of the T|T's launch and before BT adaptors such as the Belkin F8T001 were cheap/widespread as they are now.

LauncherError since I installed this update..

Nigurrath @ 5/10/2003 10:06:04 AM #
Hi,
since I installed this update I get this error, when I try to exit from LauncherX:

LauncherError: palm launcher application cannot be launched because it is missing some localization information.

Then the only thing I can do is hard reset.

All the other things works fine and there's no problem, but when I try to launch Applications I get the above error.

Also Versamail 2.5, when tries to use the plugin Applications (installed with the program), tells that an important link is missing and that cannot complete the installation (for example for .prc attachments).

Very strange, anyone already experienced this issue?
I tried to look in the PC backup what the hell could be these localization informations, but I haven't found nothing!



&8-) Shub-Nigurrath!

RE: LauncherError since I installed this update..
Altema @ 5/11/2003 11:31:34 PM #
Sounds like the new launcher PRC file was deleted. If you get stuck and can't get back to LauncherX, it will probably take you back to the system prefs and not let you out.

To fix it, you can go "Buttons" under the personal preferences, then assign the star icon to LauncherX. Tapping the silkscreen star icon will now get you back to LauncherX so you can reload the patch. The patch will replace the missing default Palm launcher PRC file and you will be back in business.

RE: LauncherError since I installed this update..
dlow2569 @ 11/22/2003 12:42:39 AM #
OK, but the LaucherX for me is the desktop in the PalmT.
I cannot get my desktop when I tap on the home icon. It tells me I have a launcher error.
Any suggestions beside the buttons.
DL

RE: LauncherError since I installed this update..
rubber trilobyte @ 2/17/2004 4:05:13 PM #
Did anyone ever find a solution to this problem? I'm experiencing it as well, and though I can navigate without using Launcher X it limits usable applications to the "assignable" buttons in prefs...

What about Raw IR?

grantb4 @ 5/12/2003 12:56:25 PM #
Anyone hear anything about a fix that allows the T|T to be used with IR keyboards using Raw IR?



Yishow freezes after installing this patch :(

Palmqlite @ 5/12/2003 5:22:55 PM #
Displayed "Scaning directory" then hangs my T|T. Warm reset did not help.

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BT Internet AND Hotsync working!

Altema @ 5/13/2003 4:21:40 PM #
Some BlueTooth adapters setup multiple com ports to accomodate different functions, such as serial port, lan, dial up, etc.

Since hotsync had to use the serial com port for the BT adapter(com6 on mine), I setup Mocha PPP to use the LAN com port as a WinCE device. Now I can surf the web, do email, and hotsync without touching my laptop or changing settings on the Palm. If I want, I can also drop it in the cradel and hit the button without changes. The Mocha client is in my startup folder and starts up alongside the Hotsync manager. No problems, mon!


RE: BT Internet AND Hotsync working!
Altema @ 5/15/2003 10:29:13 AM #
Upgraded to the Belkin adapter. *Complete* software and setup change... would not work at all with the Mocha PPP which worked perfectly with the old short range adapter. Following the tips finally became relevant with the new software, and was up and running after assiging the Belkin a static ip address, the Palm connection an address, then using the Belkin address as the Palm's primary dns address. Using the connection script was also now necessary (Delay 1, Send CLIENT, Wait For CLIENTSERVER, End). Set the normal connection for email and browsing as "Network Connection", and the hotsync as "Bluetooth serial cable (com7)" so I can do both without changing anything on the laptop.

Need to manually change connection sharing between the dialup and ethernet connection when I switch though...

Note: to save power without turning the radio on/off all the time, I turned off "Discoverable" and "Allow Wakeup" in the Palm Bluetooth prefs. Allow Wakeup apparently keeps the radio on when the Palm is off.

Tungsten T - Nearly Ideal for professionals

hawkspy @ 5/15/2003 8:59:59 AM #
Small, compact, powerful. Needs:

- Sliding mechanism IN ADDITION to silk graffiti - 320x480;
- 400MHz processor
- 64Mb ram
- DSP for music
- IPAQ screen
- Replaceable battery
- Bluetooth
- Jot/OS5.2 Graffiti+
- Fast SD transfer
- GSM/CDMA/GPRS-G3-C1+ capabilities

Does NOT NEED
- To be made of plastic
- Huge size
- Thumbboard
- WiFi

Technology is willing but the Palmsource is weak...

Where do We Go Nowwwwwww?!

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