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updated Handspring has unveiled the Treo 600. The new model features a smaller, more phone-like design with a full QWERTY keyboard and digital camera. The Treo 600 combines a phone, and Palm OS 5-based organizer with messaging, email, and web browsing features. It is expected to become available this fall worldwide.
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RE: Photo problem?
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Boo Hoo Hoo! Only 160 x 160 screen!
Boo Hoo Hoo! No Bluetooth!
Boo Hoo Hoo! No Toothbrush!
Boo Hoo Hoo! No enema! (for iain.collins)
Get a clue you morons. This is a PDA-Phone. Not just a PDA. Not just a phone. If you don't like it because it doesn't have some ultra-geek feature that you and the other 10 whiners here want, DON'T BUY IT. Your opinion represent about 0.000001 % of people that might want a new PDA-Phone. No-one gives a rat's arse about what you're bitching about today. When someone finally introduces a no compromise PDA-Phone for $1000, you dorks will be on here complaining about the price.
The Boo Hoo Babies are a lot worse than the PocketPC trolls could ever hope to be.
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Land of the free
Yeah, 160x160
I wonder how many program incompatabilities will show up now that programmers have to wonder if OS 5 is Sony+, Palm or HS-.
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
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RE: Yeah, 160x160
This has GOT to be some kind of mistake!
No way would they shoot themselves in the foot like this! would they?
with a 144mgz processor, rendering a 320X320 should be trivial. I can't imagine them doing it to save battery power either. But if this is the case, they should have an option to use either 160X160 or 320X320. Now that would be cool
I really like the looks of the device though. It seems more serious and meant for business than the current crop of PDA/fashion accessory that are all over the market.
-Marcos Vandel
Should compare rez to other "smartphones"
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"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
-Pablo Picasso.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
160x160 is plenty "useful"... and most likely cheaper to manufacture. if i really think back on it, I'd still be happily using my m505 if i didn't break it. Yes, 320x320 is nice. but useability wise, not totally unnecessary.
More info on the screen...
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/236-1.htm
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"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
-Pablo Picasso.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
Of course, think of the alternative.
PPC-embedded phones don't even have a touchscreen. I'd rather program for the Palm in OS5- than know that some people will be using my programs without a touch-screen.
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
RE: Yeah, 160x160
No wonder Handspring was in trouble. This device looks fantastic but, just like all other Palm products out there, it lacks a major feature. In this case, a 320x320 screen.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
Unfortunately, this will limit the device's appeal to those who have never had a Palm OS device or those who currently have low-res screens.
Darn! Otherwise, the device looks like a winner. I only use my TT Bluetooth for wireless Internet, so I wouldn't miss it on this phone.
Shut up
RE: Yeah, 160x160
So....Just because all the other kids are doing it doesn't mean you should too, right? Seriously, 320x320 would have been a great way to differentiate themselves from the rest of the smart phone crowd (and stay ahead of the curve). They had the potential to have the only 320 x 320 phone on the market (and it's not as if the technology isn't there). As it is, Samsung is coming out with one and I bet they'll tout it's resolution over every comparable product on the market (and they should).
I don't think we should give HS a free pass here. As it is, I think the thing looks too geeky and PDA focused. Most of the phone buying population is not going to want to spend more money to look uncool and learn something more complicated than the current crop of "free" phones. Just my opinion.
Good thing for HS they merged w/Palm when they did, because this phone wouldn't have saved the company.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
Not to mention, those who just don't know what they're talking about.
I bet somebody who's not worried about a specification can hold this 600 in their hand and appreciate how fully functional it is, without SuperGeeks to tell them "160x160?! That is soooo uncool!"
It's obvious that so many critics here are experts in R&D, development, and marketing. Cracks me up.
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RE: Yeah, 160x160 and I like it
Regarding 160x160 screen I need some expert advice cuz I think that 160x160 is the size but the density may be the same as a 320x320 due to its reduced size. If so then we will have the same resolution as any other hires device.
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RE: Yeah, 160x160
Why would I down grade my old NR70V (which runs at 320x480) for *this?*
I had a Prisim with the same screen as this something like 3 years ago and have had 3 Palms since then!
I would get this tomorrow if it had 320x320, but at this res its going to be useless for me so I'm not going to - just like I haven't had a Handspring since the Visor Prisim.
The Visor Prisim and the Edge were the only really good units Handspring made. The rest were boaring the Treo battery life was too short (even once a day is not enough to keep it charged for me).
Many of the spring board models promised didn't appear, and the ones that did were too little and many years too late.
Consumers have figured out Handspring suck, if your the only one who thinks they don't make lame kit then fine...go and buy them....The rest of us *won't*.
I bought a browser from them (used a screen hack to make it full screen on my NR70V - not 100% bug free when made to go full screen, but it's pretty good and doesn't crash or anything). But it had to wait for an unlock key after Handpring took my money but didn't give me a key in return! Turned out I had to wait for it to be sent it via email manually!
I was *amazed* it wasn't a fully automated and instantanious process. For technology company that's a spectatular example of management cluelessness, it's stunning.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
Font thickness wouldn't be a problem - OS 5 uses 'thick' fonts by defualt. The only problem with font thickness on a 320x320 screen is with Sonys pre-OS 5 devices because they went with their own thin fonts.
Having said that - i don't mind 160x160 on a small screen like this - im sure it will look great. My problem with it is from a developer point of view. A lot of apps written for OS 5 are games and multi-media that assume hi-res for OS 5 devices. Hi-res is not a requirement of OS 5 - but it has become a sort of unofficial standard for it. So newer OS 5 enhanced games, for example, won't work on this if they require 320x320. Drag.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
They do have pills for menopause, you know.
This thing would be great, but the problem with the screen is that software written for OS 5 will be compatible with the processor but not with the screen. This is a huge fumble and I think it will be the reason for holding people from buying it.
Everything else about it is pure craftsmanship. It even looks mean.
-Bosco
Proud Member of the Top Non-Mods
RE: Yeah, 160x160
Face it, Handspring cut corners with the screen. Why are there so many apologists out there willing to pat them on the back for that?
I'm waitng for the Samsung.
-Adam
RE: Shut the hell up
If you don't like it, DON'T F-ING BUY IT!
Contrary to popular belief in these parts, the supergeeks who always need the latest and greatest do NOT make up the majority of consumers. Palm or whoever will not go under just because you don't buy something.
I wish I had a nickel for every moron who proclaimed that because some new device doesn't have X little feature that the company was going under. I'd be rich.
RE: Yeah, 160x160
If Compaq or IBM or Dell released a Pentium 5 or Athlon 64 laptop or PC with a monitor that could only display 640x480, would you be pissed? No, of course not! You'd say "wow, that's pretty cool"
Tesseract
Palm Professional, Palm IIIx, Cassiopeia E-105 (everyone's got that "experimentation phase" right?), Sony Clie SJ-10, Palm Zire 71.
Any of the complainers here actually ever used the TREO 600?
The losers ranting here deserve our pity - they have nothing else to live for other than pretending to be experts on PDA sites.
Land of the free
RE: Yeah, 160x160
Hotoru
RE: Yeah, 160x160
It sounds like you're all just trying to find excuses not to love it. And if I and everyone else go out and buy it and this starts selling like hotcakes, what excuse will you give about your whiney predictions?
RE: Yeah, 160x160
And to those who are whining and bitching about all of us who are whining and bitching about the poor resolution -- go back to reading the NY Times Circuits section for your "late-breaking" PDA news. This is a FAN site... Got it? If you're happy using your mother's hand-me-down Palm IIIxe, more power to ya. Just leave the rest of us out of it, okay?
-Adam
Don't use drugs, kids.
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RE: looks nice
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RE: looks nice
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RE: looks nice
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I got to check one out last weekend (a friend works for HS) and it has a stylus. It's so well integrated into the body that it took me a moment to find despite it's location in the usual spot.
Looks good - but... Bluetooth? Screen! Battery?
I wonder, though, if they will include Bluetooth - and if so, if they are able to provide an audio profile for Bluetooth. It would ROCK to be able to hear msuic via headset and then take an incoming call!
The screen made me shake my head as well. But then again, I think HiRes Screens use more power. And this is a cellphone, people are used to cellphone recharging cycles. Too short of a battery performance would be inacceptable.
What do you think?
Have fun,
McTrinsic
RE: Looks good - but... Bluetooth? Screen! Battery?
BTW, the unit is very small and nice. The keyboard is a little small but is actually quite usable. I'm not sure about the location of the DPad to the top, but then again the current DPad on the bottom of the T|C and T|W isn't the easiest to use, and the one on the Treo 600 has a nicer feel to it.
Dissapointed like a frog
Really I fear the only genius Handspring had was the Treo design of yesteryear.
160 x 160? How could they put a camera first? Handspring will soon be, thank God, just a memory.
RE: Dissapointed like a frog
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WiFi setup coming soon...
its pretty good when you think about it
if u want a device that is both a pda and a phone then this one is a no brainer...go get it.
most "smartphones" out there are pretty dumb if you ask me. ive tried on the nokia symbian based ones and inputting data via numeric keypad is tedious...even for someone like me who lives in the philippines where an unimaginable number of people use sms and input text at lightning speeds...when i say lightning speeds...it means lightning speed...trust me..its that fast
havent tried the p800 yet but from what i can see...shifting from a palm pda or a pocket pc based pda to a p800 is a major downgrade....even if you just look at it on the organizer part of its functionality
with this up and coming treo..you get a touchscreen and a thumbboard. still looks like a phone though...will prob feel like a phone too. this is the beauty of it. its a phone++ and not a phone thats trying too hard to be a pda. think about its small form factor for an os5 enabled unit.
it really depends on ones individual needs for a phone, pda, or a convergence device but all in all its pretty good.
I agree.
Those who don't know *what* they want, and those that want every single device to be exactly what they want. None of those people will *ever* be happy and will always have a whine or two.
This device is competiting with both SmartPhones and PDAs. It's trying to walk a line. For my taste and uses, SmartPhones tend to be a little lean on screen, and PDAPhones tend to be huge. That's one reason I like to keep the separate.
I'd like to see a little bigger screen, but a high res, small screen could be a problem for too many users.
Perhaps when OLEDs are more practical, we can have a fold out screen that increases in resolution when opened.
This phone has a lot to offer a great many users, and those who would right this off as "crap" are either pseudo-elitists or just plain silly. I'll bet this "crap" does quite well, and deservedly so.
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RE: its pretty good when you think about it
What I've always been wondering is, where is Sony-Ericsson in all of this? Think: P800 form factor + PalmOS 5.2 + CLIE NX and NZ series screen resolution = a smartphone-PDA worth drooling over! :D
Should be a no-brainer, if only Ericsson wasn't so fixated with Symbian. Ah well, fingers crossed, somebody else will figure it out.
RE: its pretty good when you think about it
Spoken like a true pseudo-elitist!
Thanks, robrecht
RE: its pretty good when you think about it
RE: its pretty good when you think about it
The car in the photo is a Mini
Samsung. Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me now?
On today's lunch menu: Handspring.
Fantastic! :)
This looks like a fantastic device... the sheer elegance -- functional and aesthetic -- are astonishing. As Bucky said, "Form and function are one..."
The advanced audio, great keypad and mega battery life are the winners for me... this will be my second Palm device this year, and for the first time, I'll be carrying two Palm OS gadgets everywhere I go. :)
Nice one, Handspring!
"...I looked up "antediluvian", and they had a picture of a Pocket PC." ;)
RE: Fantastic! :)
RE: Fantastic! :)
Battery life is a valid argument for low res screens, but an option for a bigger battery would be a resonable compromise in implementing hi-res.
RE: Fantastic! :)
What's the point of a convergence device then?
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Fantastic! - but wrong ergonomics
anatomically and from experience with both Treo 180 and Sony Clie, I find the jog-dial extremly useful. Generally speaking, buttons/knobs where your fingers hold the device (i.e. along the side) are a lot more convenient. You get a lot less precision moving the thumb over the front and it really gets tiring.
Yv
RE: Fantastic! :)
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
RE: Fantastic! :)
I'll buy that one first and then the TREO ;)
RE: Fantastic! :)
Of course it would be stupid. That's because PalmOS has lots of hard-coded assumptions about resolution and screen size. But that's a current problem with PalmOS, not with high resolution screens. Very high resolution screens do make a lot of sense if the OS has good support for them.
"Form and function are one..."
From Google:
"Form and function are one" Frank Lloyd Wright - 96 hits.
"Form and function are one" Buckminster Fuller - 9 hits, one of which is this article, several others of which attribute the saying to FLW.
Sorry - I've read most of BF's books, and this quote was bothering me. I promise not to be so nit-picky in the future.
Oh yeah...this is a "significant new product due this fall".
However, while this Treo does have new components (Palm OS 5.2, 32mb) , I fail to see anything "significantly" new with this smartphone. Same old low-resolution, a processor that has been used to the Tungsten for almost a year now...
I kinda sorta expect something in the class of the Samsung SGH-i500:
-300mhz Intel PXA262 processor
-32MB ROM / 32MB RAM
-65000 TFT color screen with 320 x 320 resolution
-built in 330K pixel VGA (640 x 480) camera with an embedded flash
KAY
RE: Oh yeah...this is a
On the 160x160 side, I've been whining also like you guys. I've owned a high res clie and like it very much but if you think about it....I'd much rather have longer battery life then a 320 screen. I can't use my clie that much because of battery life and my treo I keep constantly charged in the house and car because I'm always on the internet (i get very very bored in class) so when they say they've been able to pack 4-5 more hours on to this treo then the previous treo...bring it on.
Get ove it
It is a true smart-phone that fits easily in your pocket, doesn't feel like a brick when you use it, has good battery life and a couple extra "cool" factors to draw in the mindless consumer (camera).
It's perfect.
99.9% of people careless about bluetooth or the processor or the screen resolution or whatever.
Get over it.
Amen!
I am so tired of hearing, "I really have to use the toilet but I just can't use this stall because it doesn't have Bluetooth!" I used to think it would be useful, until I called a friend with a P800 and Bluetooth headset: he sounded like he was being electrocuted at the bottom of a well. $200 for a headset that gives you echoes and crummy reception, instead of a $15 wired headset that works fine. It's an overpriced solution in search of a problem, people. Get over it.
Nice, no buts about it.
And I'd really like to know how many of the "I can't live without Bluetooth!" crowd actually uses BT or *will* use it (since many don't actually do so now).
This is a tool, and an elegant one at that. Very well done. Just because it doesn't have a 5" some people are at the Wailing Wall. I don't get it.
Some people actually need to do work, and don't want or need UberGeekdom dragging them down. I've seen a lot of these PDAPhones and would never carry bricks like those in my pocket. Some here may proudly carry one on their PsuedoSuperGeek utility belt, but others don't have anything to prove. They just want an appropriate tool for the job.
This phone covers a lot of useful, practical bases. I'd like to see graffiti, and there may be a different version down the line. But that doesn't make me hate this model.
"Well done" to HandSpring.
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RE: Nice but...
Bluetooth? I still have no use for this (and no devices that support it). Bluetooth is absolutely irrelevent to me, except as it affects price, size or performance.
RE: Nice but...
I want the Palm OS & PIM, and to be able to make a phone call & perhaps check e-mail/web surf a bit. The unit looks solid compared to the 270/300 also. Bluetooth doesn;t seem useful for the 600, only for the headset, one doesn't need it to connect the PDA & phone, they're already together!
My only gripe will be the price. Convergence units always seem to cost a lot more than what the separate PDA & Phone would cost.
RE: Nice but...
RE: Nice but...
RE: Nice but...
That said, I will still get this phone, but I'd rather it had Bluetooth built in than a camera. I'll only get one if the BT cards actually exist and work in the device. Thank god that the port is on the top so the antenna doesn't stick out to the side.
The 160 x 160 thing will hurt, but for an otherwise great device, I think I can get over it.
RE: Nice but...
Bluetooth would be useful for a wireless headset, though.
RE: Nice but...
For a headset. Wireless headsets are particularly nice on devices with keyboards, like this one.
it's like Oracle vs. PeopleSoft
RE: it's like Oracle vs. PeopleSoft
Tony
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RE: it's like Oracle vs. PeopleSoft
I don't want to start a Palm vs. PPC debate, but having a struggling company that devotes itself 100% to supporting a product line (ie. palm OR handspring) is a heck of a lot better than relying on a huge company that half-assedly devotes a fraction of a percent of it's resources to support it's devices (ie. microsoft or any PPC manufacturer).
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I HATE Antenna NUBS!!!
RE: I HATE Antenna NUBS!!!
At least it's not one of those extender antenna nubs =)
This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
Instead of buying HandDung, I still think they should have euthanized the company and put it out of its misery. And I think this makes it even more obvious that HS was failing quickly which is why Palm bailed them out--trying to save face for both companies. Yeah, this piece o'crap was worth 1/3 of Palm. Makes me wonder how little Palm is worth now.
RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
Tungsten W is more data centric while this Treo 600 is more like a phone. Besides Treo 600 is OS 5.2 and should be much faster. It also has a built-in camera and seems to be very small, too.
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RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
Wow, uncreative name calling...
RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
T|W
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OS 4
33Mhz
320x320
16MB RAM
SDIO
5.3 x 3.07 x 0.65 inches
6.5 oz
Requires headset
Treo 600
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OS 5.2
144Mhz
160x160
32MB RAM
VGA Camera
SDIO
4.4 x 2.36 x 0.87 inches
5.9 oz
standard phone speaker & mic
...so the T|W is a slow, OS 4.1 brick by comparison. The only area where it competes is screen resolution.
RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
Jon Niola
President/CEO
Media Vortex, Inc.
RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
Umm, no. The Treo 600 family will have both a dual-band CDMA version and a quad-band GSM version.
RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
I guess I am just not impressed by another cell phone.
And as far as the name calling, gremmie, I didn't mean to hurt your little feelings. I just thing Handspring is crap. Pure crap, no matter how you spell it. And I still think the merger was more of a fire sale--this piece of new crap proves it. Why does it take those fantastic engineers at Handspring (not handdung, don't want to make gremmie cry) years to make a cell phone that Kyocera and others have had forever. They put the latest OS on it and people think it is the greatest in the world. Of course, if it is built like the other handcrap (sorry gremmie), it will last about a week before you have to duct tape it together. More crap.
RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
RE: This is what Palm bought Handspring for?
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Need expert advice regarding screen size
Regarding 160x160 screen I need some expert advice cuz I think that 160x160 is the size but the density may be the same as a 320x320 due to its reduced size. If so then we will have the same resolution as any other hires device.
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RE: Need expert advice regarding screen size
resolution:
Resolution is the number of pixels (individual points of color) contained on a display monitor, expressed in terms of the number of pixels on the horizontal axis and the number on the vertical axis.
...So the the treo has a lower resolution. It is sharper than larger screens with the same res - but the low-res is low-res.
Sweet!!
That is one nice looking phone.
Do I really have to wait till the fall:-(
Screen to Thumb Ratio (Zire 71 vs. Treo 600)
I certainly think 320x320 would work on this screen. Most apps use 320x320 to provide smoother fonts rather than small itty bitty fonts anyway, so I don't see what the "readability" gripes are all about.
Would some apps assume the device is 320x320 when you had OS 5 and might crash if it is only 160x160?
-Kevin Crossman
RE: Screen to Thumb Ratio (Zire 71 vs. Treo 600)
> had OS 5 and might crash if it is only 160x160?
The screen resolution is independent of the OS. Applications use other methods to detect the screen resolution, so there won't be an issue here.
Tony
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RE: Screen to Thumb Ratio (Zire 71 vs. Treo 600)
ahhh - but there will be an issue. Although hi-res is not a requirement of OS 5 - it has become a sort of unofficial standard for a lot of OS 5 development. There is some software that assumes that if you are running it on an OS 5 device, u have hi-res. For example, mmplayer doesn't support video for low-res. In other cases, although you can run OS 4 versions using PACE, if you switch to the OS 5 version, it assumes hi-res (this is the case with some games), and so this won't work because bitmaps, etc. are in hi-res.
RE: Screen to Thumb Ratio (Zire 71 vs. Treo 600)
Any programmer that after the IIIc-vs-Prism color problems, the whole slew of incompatable Clie' formats, the HE330 and the OS4/5 bumps 'Assumes' something without checking according to the guidelines really deserves the bug reports he's going to get.
Sprint only! Yuck!
David
Not: Sprint only! Yuck!
RE: Sprint only! Yuck!
RE: Sprint only! Yuck!
Anywhere? Maybe I'll try Sprint again. My Sprint colleagues always used to borrow my Verizon phone in central Jersey until they finally switched to Verizon. I've heard that Sprint has some good unlimited data plans and they sure get the newer phones before Verizon.
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Sprint only! Yuck!
K
RE: Sprint only! Yuck!
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Sprint only! Yuck!
Size matters
RE: Size matters
Tony
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RE: Size matters
Half of 320x320 would be 160x320, not 160x160. A 160^2 screen is 1/4 the size of 320x320 and 1/6 of a 320x480.
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
Camera? Why?
Please, no more cameras.
Cheers,
RE: Camera? Why?
Yv
RE: Camera? Why?
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Camera? Why?
Without a camera, MMS is functionally just SMS...
also, so many companies have just jumped on the camera bandwagon because they thing 95% of the world will buy a phone with a camera vs. one that doesn't.
Oh well... It is a cool technology. but hasn't gotten much popularity over in NA. NA is like the cellphone retarded =)
Samsung is still more impressive...
That is the phone I will get, depending on how badly I will want OS6...
RE: Samsung is still more impressive...
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Samsung is still more impressive...
http://discussion.treocentral.com/tcforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34311
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Comparison of Treo 600 vs. SGH-i500: This is a decision I think I might need to make soon, so I was wondering what ya'll opinions are! Basically, the announcement by T-mobile of unlimited gprs for $20 add-on has got me considering switching from Sprint! From my perspecitve here are the pros/cons:
Samsung SGH-500 w/Tmo unlimited gprs:
PROS:
Can't beat unlimted data! Whahooo!
TFT 320x320 transflective screen
camera, flip cover
OS 5.x, 300mhz proc, 32MB Rom/32MB Ram, SDIO; bascially incredible specs all around
can use data for laptop/pda
CONS:
No thumboard (kinda got used to it on my Treo300)
gprs is still slower than 1xrtt
Tmo shared/family plans not as good as sprint
Treo 600 w/SprintPCS unlimited data (1xrtt)
PROS:
Fast unlimited data91xrtt) with Sprint's Vison plans!
Awesome new design, looks very pocketable
Thumboard! Great for emails, IM's etc
impressive specs (OS 5.x, 133? Mhz Arm, 32MB Ram, camera, SDIO etc)
CONS:
160x160 CSTN screen HS, what were ya thinking?
No (officially) support to use 1xrtt for laptop/pda access, but you can..
No flip cover to protect screen (subjective)
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"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
-Pablo Picasso.
More pics of Treo 600 at Cebit!!
Check it out! There's a nice comparison pic of the Treo 600 screen vs Treo 300 screen...
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"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
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RE: photoshop out the keyboard and antenna parts
http://churchoflivingfaith.com/images/treo480v.jpg
No cell phone, but look at the specs ...
Palm OS 5.2.2HS
204mhz TI OMAP1612 processor
32mb ram
320x480 transflective screen
SDIO
640x480 camera
Built-in bluetooth
Built-in WIFI 802.11b
Voice recorder
Palm universal connector
Release date Fall 2008'
... this is awesome. Just hope my Treo 90 holds out till then!
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: photoshop out the keyboard and antenna parts
RE: photoshop out the keyboard and antenna parts
RE: photoshop out the keyboard and antenna parts
i posted your pic in the forums/general/treo600
Color depth?
RE: Color depth? only 4096 colors
Minority Report
When I bought my first Palm, back in '95, no one had ever heard of a PDA, and I mostly got laughed at. Today, I have "converted" dozens of people, and am the guy my friends, coworkers, and boss come to with PDA-related questions and problems. In fact, despite my constant recommendations, they all still come to me instead of going to places like PIC, PDABuzz, CliePlanet, etc. What's my point? Just this:
I think it's time we all accept that those of us who frequent this and other PDA-related sites and boards are among the vast minority, what's most commonly referred to as the "power users." And, I don't think the Treo 600 is targeted for the likes of us. It's targeted for the millions of people who have a cell phone and would like something more functional. Content with my NX60, I won't be switching to a 600, and I'm willing to bet that most of you won't, either. We're all still waiting for the "perfect" PDA-centric smartphone. Maybe the i500...?
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RE: Minority Report
I wish someone from Handspring would chime in on this issue. It's one thing to prefer 320x320 but another to have 160x160 and have things break.
That was the same argument made when the Zire came out with only two hardware buttons but that's a much different crowd than one throwing out $500 for a cellphone.
As much as people like to bemoan the fact that we're "power users" remember that we are talking about a $500 device likely to include a very high percentage of "early adopters" and power users.
-Kevin Crossman
RE: Minority Report
I'm an early adopter, have owned a V, Vx, M505, M515 and currently own two TTs. I'm not overly excited by the 600 - I don't like thumboards, couldn't go back to low-res, and personally think the 600 is ugly (can't companies learn form Mac and produce something elegant?).
However, I think that HS have probably pitched the 600 at a well-identified market. If my organisation is an indication the 600 will be bought by senior execs.
Stand by for huge generalisations :-)
The same people who insist that 'lesser' beings must produce ROI documents to justify a low-end phone or M series Palm will cheerfully purchase the 600. BUT they will not know how to use it to anything like its potential. They don't add software, they don't know (or care) about comparative about technical specifications, and they they will probably be most attracted by the idea of only carrying one 'toy' instead of two.
My CEO insisted on a TT paired with a Nokia 6310i, he has not loaded a SINGLE third party app, and never dialed-in to his email. I loaded DTG for him and he has yet to transfer a single document to the Palm. But he is perfectly happy because he can always access his diary and address book (managed and synched by his PA). And (apart being annoyed by seeing tech staff starved of decent equipment) who am I to say he's wrong? He can afford the gear and it satisfies his requirements.
This experience is repeated across the entire group of senior managers, who followed the CEO's lead in buying high-end Palms. None of them use anything other than Address Book and Date Book!
While I share much of the disappointment expressed in this forum, I find it difficult to say that HS have definitely goofed, and I'm sure I'll be asked to support 600s in the near future :-)
"Earnestness is just stupidity sent to college" P.J. O'Rourke
battery?
this is something that should be standard in all pdas/smartphones at this point. it is really unexcusable.
yeah i know, it is a high capacity battery (just adds more weight...)a smaller "swappable" battery would have been the way to go, especially if you want the phone market
The 600 won't replace my PDA, it'll replace my Nokia...
Okay, I am carrying an Ericsson T68 right now but I hope I have made my point. The 600 is much more likely to replace current generation cell/ smart phones rather than the latest feature ladden PDA. Then again since owning the T68 I have found that my Palm m500 stays in my backpack more often then not. I just occassionally use it to look something up.
And I used to be a hardcore PDA user (Newton, General Magic, Pilot 1000, etc.) and was squarely in the camp of one device for everything sucks: keep dedicated, separate devices at your ready and connect 'em via Bluetooth. So while Bluetooth would be nice, I don't consider it an essential anymore. I only use the BT card in my m500 to wirelessly collect email messages, etc. via my T68. Wireless headsets have proven to be too much of a hassle to deal with on the go.
I for one am quite intrigued by the pictures of the Treo 600 that I have seen so far. The design reminds me a bit of the early Ericsson mobiles. Though it would be even nicer (read: more pocketable) without that protruding antenna. This one just might still be the device that'll replace my Ericsson T68. I have been waiting for quite some time!
(The Samsung doesn't cut it for me because it's a clamshell design without a swivel hinge which I personally don't like. The clamshell (ie. Startac) design seems to be more popular in the US while most folks I have met in Europe seem to prefer designs by Nokia, Ericsson et al sans clamshells.)
Since everyone who is posting here is by definition a geek, take my opinion for what it's worth ;)
All best, Chris.
All phones will eventually be PDA-phones
So far, size issues have prevented the acceptance of PDA-phones. Once there is no longer a size penalty for carrying a PDA-phone (i.e. consumers get the PDA part "for free"), PDA-phones will take over. Initially, they will be executive toys, but eventually they will cannibalize the standalone PDA market. Given how most people - not the people posting here - actually use their PDAs (contacts, schedule, to do list, occasional game), standalone PDAs will quickly become redundant.
With improved bandwidth, picture (and then video) messaging will also be inevitable. The Treo 600 is closer to what convergence is all about than most - if not all - other devices announced to this point.
Who needs 320x320 ?
Who needs a multi-tasking 320 by 480 resolution phone/PDA with POS 6.0, 10 hour battery life, a jog dial, a 6 Mega Pixel camera, a trans-reflective screen, voice recognition and a neural net processor plugged into wifi, bluetooth and the 24 hour Cartoon channel? Who really needs a Palm or a PPC? We all can get by just sending each other telegrams by Morse Code like they did in 1890. Come to think of it, we don't need cars or stereos either. Horses and silentm movies were way better. We don't need electricity either. Propane lamps and firewood were better. Face it, most of the time most of us have nothing of note to say or do so we are just bothering others by phoning them. 160 by 160 resolution is overkill. Why doesn't Handspring/Palm reduce it to 40 by 40 and tell us how great that is, and why we should buy that?
Please Palm, keep your top-of-the line devices with mono, or no sound, and less screen resolution than Sony, and with slower processors than PPCs. We want to use hardware PDAs that have worse specifications than your competitors. But you already knew that. Thanks.
RE: Treo 600: Final Word
RE: Treo 600: Final Word
Salesman: ...and, of course, you can run all of your existing PalmOS software on this Treo 600.
Young Woman (who owns low-end CLIE or Zire): REALLY?!!? I don't have to buy anything new to do that?! I'll take it! I'm sold!
(For those who might carp that a low-end CLIE might have a 320x320 screen -- so what? Odds are that *none* of the software she's using is optimized for 320x320!)
And then, of course, she'll tell her girlfriends, and her mother, and then her husband will see the thing...
... geez, better buy Palm stock!!
RE: Treo 600: Final Word
you need to stop thinking what *you* (read: tech geek) want/will pay for and start thinking what joe lunchbucket wants/will pay for.
the basic FREE-$150 color Nokia (with basic pda features) is what most people will buy.
http://www.attws.com/buy/consumer/
i'm not saying the treo 600 is a bad product, i just doubt that it will be able to hit any critical mass at its price point. and can treo/palm survive as just a small niche player?
RE: Treo 600: Final Word
Until this happens, Nokia and Symbian will continue dominating.
... But I think this will do better than MS Smartphone. It even looks cooler.
-Bosco
RE: Treo 600: Final Word
I looked at the fine Sony Ericcson Symbian phone/PDA and, geez, it's $600 *with* a service plan. $800 *without*!
Gekko is right about price. It's still too early to tell what the Treo will come in at because it hasn't been released. Let's hope it's heavily subsidized so the price is low.
RE: Treo 600: Final Word
IRDA port?
RE: IRDA port?
Since I hardly every beam anything I just disabled it in my Treo's settings since it's a battery drain anyway.
I think the new Treo looks great. It has all the power and features most people would need in a convergence device. And I'm not referring to just mindless execs that can afford to have something they hardly ever use. I'll wait a little while to get one after they come out though, already learned my lesson after being an early adopter with the original one *grumble*. And I have to agree with the advice that "power users" should just buy a standalone PDA, cuz there isn't going to be a convergance device that will fit all their needs for quite awhile.
I can live without bluetooth seeing as how the only use for it I could ever imagine would be syncing and possibly a headset, the latter of which I've heard still don't sound all that good. And speaking of bluetooth, this might be of interest to all you people that keep whining about the Treo 600 not having it:
From Phonescoop.com: "Speaking of Bluetooth, the Handspring engineers specifically left room on the Treo 600 circuit board for a Bluetooth module. It won't be included in initial releases, but Handspring spokesperson Brian Jaquet said there was very strong possibility that an updated version would be released with Bluetooth."
My personal thoughts are that if you want it that bad, get the bluetooth SD card. I'd rather not spend more money on a phone for features most people won't use.
As for the screen size, this is meant to primarily be a PHONE, not a PDA. There's nothing I hate in a phone more than bulkiness and weight. If you want some brick that can fit a 320x320 screen, then fine - don't buy a Treo. The camera thing is a bit overkill IMHO, but once again this thing is competing with phones and right now camera phones are hot hot hot. So one silly feature on an otherwise great looking device won't bother me much.
why no flip cover
Problems with VisorPhone what I do not like about Treo 600
I own a VisorPhone and I have Greek Support and when I send or receive Greeek SMS it is all high ASCII characters. I have seen the same happen on the Treo.
I just hope that Handspring will fix this problem with SMS and that if such a fix/patch is available and that someone will let me know and give me a link to download it.
One of the things I do not like about the Treo 600 is the Antena! It should not be there! The antena is one of the reasons why "Ericsson" became "SonyEricsson"
Another thing is the fact that there is no Bluetooth! There should be at least the ability to make it bluetooth by your self.
Regards & TIA
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