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    Comments on: Rumor: Tungsten T3 with 320x480 ScreenPictures and a few details of a possible Tungsten T3 have been posted to a tech website in China. The pictures show a possible Palm Tungsten model with a slider design and a 320x480 pixel high res+ screen and Bluetooth.
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Only Wifi missing... otherwise it would be the perfect Palm (for me).  RE: It's cool...xelnaga8080 @ 7/18/2003 11:08:07 AM #
Have to agree, only missing Wi-Fi. If its a fake, it is a pretty good one. This one smells real. "Life is a Cookie" RE: It's cool...
Almost positive this one is real, though I think it is a long way off if the T2 hasn't been released yet. Clie NX60 - emailMassman82@PDArcade.com/email RE: It's cool...
Massman82 This looks to indeed be real. But knowing PalmSG. We either wont see it until March (next product run) or we will see this rushed to production by the time right after the holiday season. Usually Palm releases in Latewinter/spring and mid-fall. if they can work the kinks out before that latewinter/early spring time then we really could see PalmSG trump Sony (again? I consider the Z71 a trump) RE: It's cool...
Looks real! I could not see any pixel discontinuities that would indicate Photoshopping. RE: It's cool...
Well IMHO this is the reason why the T2 is delayed... this is not the T3, it is the revamped T2 _______________________________________ Already a Tapwave's Helix fan. RE: It's cool...
Maybe by next March the Bluetooth will change to Wi-Fi *quickly offers prayer to Tech Gods* RE: It's cool...kriegsfalke @ 7/18/2003 2:07:44 PM #
I don't need WiFi on al PDA. For me Bluetoot is more important in my work. It would be nice if Sandisk would get the SD-Card on the Market. RE: It's cool...Lidocaineus @ 7/18/2003 3:55:37 PM #
Amen to that Krieg! I think people who lament over WiFi on PDAs have never actually used BT and WiFi on the same device; I have, and BT always seems better suited to whatever task at hand, mostly because I'm *never* near a WiFi access point when I'm actually using the PDA in a environment where I'd pull it out! I never understood the WiFi fanatics on PDAs. If you want to check your mail with WiFi, you are most likely in a place with tons of computers. If you want to surf the web with WiFi, again, you're most likely in a place full of computers. Want to check your email on the road with WiFi and... whoops. Well I guess you could always pull over at a nearby Starbucks and sit in the cafe while I'm zooming past you in a car accessing an IMAP server over BT through a GPRS radio. In fact, I so rarely use WiFi on any PDA with it available that in my next PDA purchase (whenever that is), WiFi will not be a requirement in the least. RE: It's cool...
I agree completely. I've used Wifi on my Handera 330 and while it was interesting, I stopped using it because it was complete overkill. Who's truely going to use that level of speed on a PDA? It's certainly not worth the power demands that WiFi makes. Sure, if I were downloading attachments, the speed of WiFi would be welcome, but the processor speed on most PDAs can't handle that kind of data flow. I think Wi-Fi in the consumer PDA market is completely hype. I work in an MIS shop and have a couple of guys that have Toshiba PDAs with WiFi built-in and both say they hardly use it. My complaint would be more along the lines that there are no bluetooth cell phones in the CDMA market. Sony-Ericsson was going to come out with the T608 for Sprint and it was rumored that a "rev. 2" version of the T606 for Verizon might have Bluetooth. But with Sony-Ericsson leaving the CDMA market entirely, both are in doubt. But this T3 looks so sweet. It looks like they reallyt did it right. RE: It's cool...Selbstlade @ 7/19/2003 1:34:00 AM #
"I never understood the WiFi fanatics on PDAs. If you want to check your mail with WiFi, you are most likely in a place with tons of computers. If you want to surf the web with WiFi, again, you're most likely in a place full of computers." I guess you're not a college student nor do you work at a company who's campus is wifi saturated? In college environments, wifi coverage areas are often set up in libraries, open lawns, student unions. Why walk into a computer lab (assuming one is nearby and open) just to check your email? Furthermore, privacy is not guaranteed when you're operating on a public terminal. That's why many students own wifi notebooks (For example you can then VPN to your own private network). In a company environment, just because computers exist in a wifi coverage area doesn't mean you can walk into someone's office or cube and use it. Selbstlade Palm Professional, Palm IIIx, Cassiopeia E-105, Sony Clie SJ-10, Palm Zire 71. RE: It's cool...Lidocaineus @ 7/19/2003 4:21:45 AM #
I was a college student and have since graduated recently, and having actually *deployed* some of the network infrastructure while there, I know plenty about campus connectivity. However, give me an application that WiFi works better for on a PDA versus Bluetooth. What you are clearly referring to is portability with your laptop, not portability with your PDA, just like I was comparing in the original post. When I say that when you're in a WiFi spot and there are tons of computers around, usually that means you can use one of them. If for some reason you can't, how is a PDA going to replace the functionality of a computer? And what exactly does that have to do with anything WiFi / BT related? My point was that WiFi does work on PDAs, but it's inherently limiting since PDAs themselves are so highly mobile and are very often in places where WiFi is nowhere to be found. Tell me, what is the difference between using WiFi or BT to check your mail once you have it all set up properly? Or look up an address? Or do some light web surfing? There is none, on a PDA. The only difference is that with BT, you are the access point. You can leave campus and not break the connection. WiFi is constrained to bubbles. Perhaps large bubbles (such as the case with certain campuses), but do you live in one completely, all the time? I'll be the first to admit that there are some hurdles prior, such as proper data service plans and a connectivity device, but after that, bluetooth is a much more complete solution to what a PDA's functions are. It's strange; WiFi should be the niche device for PDAs, while BT should be more of the standard, but people seem to have it backwards in their heads. I can only attribute this to (again) 1 - lack of experience with BT I have serious doubts about your experience with BT, because, as another person posted, those who have used both have realized that WiFi on a PDA is not all that useful once the uber-factor has worn off, even in very well covered areas. What you do on a PDA is very different from what you do on a desktop or notebook, and 99%of those functions do not require high bandwidth or constant connections. What they do need is access when you need it, at a moment's notice. WiFi cannot always provide that. And one more time, I'll say it; WiFi on a PDA is *not* a negative, it just shouldn't be as important as people are making it out to be, unless you only use your PDA for TCP/IP connectivity (BT is much more than that) and not PIM functions (such as sending phone numbers to be dialed to your phone), you only use your PDA in WiFi access areas, and you never use your PDA for connectivity anywhere else. RE: It's cool...
I also completely agree with Lidocaineus. I am living in Berlin and here we have complete GPRS coverage in the subway. So I am using my m505 in conjunction with a T68i and a BT SD-card e.g. to read the news via AvantGo. Very nice! And Wi-Fi is not missing.
Yes, there are some who would really like to have it. But give me Bluetooth. WF has too many penalties for most of us. Let it come on an SD card or a drifferent model. Most buyers of most PDAs will never miss WF, so let Palm and others design a separate one for them. Can't wait to see if this makes it to market. RE: It's cool...
BT requires a BTed cellphone. Some of us (ahem, me!) *hate* cellphones. Hence, WiFi is for us. By the time this appears, I expect at least two WiFi SD cards to be on sale. So the point is moot. So WHERE's the WiFi?!
Given the delay of the WiFi SD cards, it seems to me Enfora should have this OUT NOW and rake in the dough! RE: It's cool...
Maybe by next March the Bluetooth will change to Wi-Fi *quickly offers prayer to Tech Gods* God, I hope not. WiFi is useless for me on a handheld--when I'm in range of an AP, I usually have a real computer around, and WiFi sucks battery power. Bluetooth is perfect for hotsyncing, for talking to a cell phone, and for gaming. Bluetooth is also far easier to set up. And if you want to use it like WiFi, there are cheap Bluetooth/Ethernet access points out there. RE: It's cool...xelnaga8080 @ 7/20/2003 10:46:10 PM #
I would have to say I would love Wi-Fi. I currently have no location that can service Blue-tooth, and were looking at wi-fi for our network(Students&Teachers with wifi laptops). It is not a speed issue, just the fact that I want access to our network. I personally would love for my PDA to replace my laptop, and wi-fi would be a step in the right direction. I would settle for a wi-fi SD Card however. I currently own a Tungsten T. I can see the potential of Bluetooth, but wi-fi would be better in my situation and don't wont the bulk of a Tungsten C, plus I want sterio. Just a thought. Bluetooth is cool, just can't use it. I could definately use wi-fi. "Life is a Cookie" RE: It's cool...kriegsfalke @ 7/21/2003 6:33:20 AM #
Don't mess it up. Wifi is not a competitor for bluetooth. Also Bluetooth is not a competitior for Wifi. Both wireless Networks have their goal. Wifi is great if you are in most time near a AccessPoint. But it is useless if you are on the road and need to check your e-mails, read the news or to write SMS. This is the right place for bluetooth. I think Sony follows the right way with the UX50/40 Handhelds. Just Bluetooth for the People who don't need Bluetooth an Both for the Tech-Junkies ;-) Wi-Fi and BT are indeed competitors...
...not for function, but for space. W-Fless PDAs certainly outsell those with W-F, and BT enable PDAs probably outsell W-Fless as well. I don't want to pay size or cost penalties for W-F, but I do find BT to be very useful. So make the PDA for the majority, and a separate version (as they have with the W and C. When the day finally does come that there are no penalties for including it, then by all means, toss it in. RE: It's cool...
Just because some of you dont want WiFi doesn't mean its useless to everyone. I'm planning on getting a Tungsten C, because we have plenty of WiFi coverage at my college. Why do I want it? Because I dont want to have to lug a laptop around campus just to check email, visit websites and such. Ideally, I'd also like to be able to access my computers files through FTP while I'm around campus so I can edit documents and do programming anywhere on campus. To me your beloved Bluetooth is useless. I dont own any Bluetooth enabled devices. In fact I've never even seen one. I'm not bashing Bluetooth, I love the idea. I'm just trying to make the point that there's no reason for you to bash WiFi. Personally, I'd favor something like the C, but with Bluetooth as well, in case I find a good use for it. RE: It's cool...alanjrobertson @ 7/22/2003 5:56:15 AM #
I think your viewpoint in part depends on where you live. From what I've seen/read, it appears that WiFi has taken off to a massive extent in the USA, with widespread coverage in businesses, colleges, and shops (eg Starbucks). Bluetooth on the other hand has a much smaller market penetration, mainly due to the prevalence of CDMA mobiles. In Europe on the other hand, WiFi has been slower taking off (there's certainly no coverage anywhere at my university), whereas mobile use is widespread - a vast percentage of the population own one (>95% of students I would guess) and they're all GSM mobiles. Many GSM mobiles now come with Bluetooth connectivity built-in, therefore for European users it's arguably more useful to have a PDA with BT rather than WiFi. However, as others have already mentioned it's not a competition between the two standards - they've been designed for different uses. In view of the increasing power of PDAs though, lots of people use them at times as a laptop replacement - therefore they are fulfilling two different roles and probably need to have both WiFi and BT connectivity. Cheers Alan RE: It's cool...
I get a great deal of use and functionality out on my Tungsten C with WiFi, because when I do travel I carry a small AP from Dlink and and can finally do my email on the road, I just plug into one of my customers network connections and I don't even need to wait for my laptop to boot. Bluetooth is nice if you are do little text emails, but WiFi is required for Attachments and large emails, it is also great for doing a sync. Can't do that very quickly with Bluetooth, at office or on the go. RE: It's cool...
I use a Tungsten T with bluetooth conectivity to various gadgets - and in my opinion, the WiFi unit and the T fit two different categories. Which is probably why Palm chose to make and market them as such. The TT with bluetooth is ideal for road warriors, connecting to GSM/GPRS for data, Bluetooth GPS units, etc. Look at http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4642
The Tungsten C fits the bill for campus type usage, wharehousing, etc. - kind of like a laptop replacement (which is why it comes with a keyboard). Of course it would be smart with both in one unit - then we could have the best of both worlds - but bluetooth and WiFi would still serve two different purposes! 
Why slider now?
Let's lose the slider. With the bigger screen, it makes less sense to have a compact "alter ego" that you constantly have to bust out of. RE: Why slider now?
Whether this rumor is real or not, I agree. (But I'm hoping that it is a fake.) Although I love my Tungsten|T and how the slider gives it a more compact feel, but after daily use since the day I purchased it (at launch), I'm getting tired of opening/closing for jotting down small notes. Are there any T|T owners that still like the slider? I think I'm done with moving parts on a PDA, unless it's to open the screen, at least for now. RE: Why slider now?
go to palmgear.com and get graffiti anywhere, you'll never need the slider again. it's the best ap for the tt. RE: Why slider now?
I like the slider. Or rather, I like having the smaller form factor that the slider enables. I have Graffiti anywhere and it's great for quick notes. Mostly though, I use the TT for viewing information that I enter or sync through a computer, so I don't find myself opening the slider much at all since I bought it. RE: Why slider now?
I agree let's loose the slider. Having to open and close the slider can get aggravating, they should ol allowed the T|T to be thinner, like the V or m500 series. palm just doesn't have any continuity in its industrial design. They need to hire Jonathan Ives over at Apple!! RE: Why slider now?
Ditto. Fit this machinery in to a Palm V-like form factor and it's what I have been waiting for. While that form factor doesn't work for a unit with a camera or a keyboard it should work well here. RE: Why slider now?
I owne a TT, and wish that it did not have the slider. I get tired of opening and closing it all day long. If the new TT has a new 320x480 screen I hope that it is just a fixed display, no annoying sliders! Trade the Slider for a Slimmer Design
Frankly the novelty of the slider has worn off for me. Basically everytime I use my T/T I NEED the grafitti area whether is entering data or just for navigation... I don't need the extra step of sliding it open EVERY time! I would like to see all the functionality of the T/T... PLUS the 320x480 screen with virtual grafitti... PLUS more memory... PLUS a thinner/sleaker PS: did I mention Virtual Grafitti, NO Slider, and SLIMMER Design?... ;-) But hey, thats just my .02 cents! RE: Why slider now?bkirchhoff @ 7/18/2003 12:48:18 PM #
I also agree that we need to loose the slider. That being said... I really like the Blackberry style keyboard available in the Tungsten C. The single biggest surprise with my Tungsten T has been how much I utilize the SMS Messaging capability in conjunction with my T68i (however scratching out a text message during a meeting with Graffiti is anything but subtle). I was really hoping that a future Palm device would offer the Tungsten C form factor with Bluetooth & Wi-Fi combined. RE: Why slider now?
Ok, I don't own a T|T, so don't flame me... but if you don't like sliding your unit open each time you want to use it, whats to prevent you from ALWAYS leaving it open? RE: Why slider now?
Why not leave it open all the time? Cause it looks incredibly dorkey. I have no less than 4 hacks installed to make the slider less obtrusive on my TT. 1. NewPen - freeware graffitti anywhere 2. SlideFree - to access silkscreened buttons 3. OKey - to access drop down menus 4. EZ KB - for instant keyboard access But they don't all work together nicely and it is a hassle in the end. Let's not even get into cases and accessories. There's a cottage industry out there dealing with the hasssles of the sliding mechanism. RE: Why slider now?Lidocaineus @ 7/18/2003 4:02:12 PM #
I guess I'll be the only one to state, "Who cares?" :P I rarely open the slider, because OKey and NewPen cover 99% of my input requirements into the T|T. I've even written pages of notes without opening it once. I am not the biggest fan of the slider, however, I *LOVE* how much more compact it gets when closed. That will be the big disappointment for me if the slider disappears. Maybe they should make two models, one with the slider and one without? RE: Why slider now?
Take a close look at the size of the screen in open mode. It looks like all of the softkey buttons will still visible, even when you have the slider closed. Coupled with G2, this meens there would be no need to open the TT slider at all unless you need the extra real estate. I love it! RE: Why slider now?
The slider will be gone next year when the *Zire* gets that screen. But, of course, by then, every CLIE will have the screen too. RE: Why slider now?
This deserves to be repeated: "I rarely open the slider, because OKey and NewPen cover 99% of my input requirements into the T|T. I've even written pages of notes without opening it once. I am not the biggest fan of the slider, however, I *LOVE* how much more compact it gets when closed. That will be the big disappointment for me if the slider disappears." Palm, don't listen to all the whiners, bring the T3 to market as quickly as you can. Do you need beta testers? RE: Why slider now?
If you don't like the smaller size that a closed slider allows, why not just glue (or tape) your TT open? Maybe there's even a market for a nice metal clip that fits into the TT's side gaps to hold the slider open? The slider is useful because it allows the unit to be shorter without requiring smaller buttons (like the nearly unusable up/down button on some T-series Clies). RE: Why slider now?
"Palm, don't listen to all the whiners, bring the T3 to market as quickly as you can. Do you need beta testers?" I'm with you! I'd like this ASAP, I'd be glad to beta test it! RE: Trade the Slider for a Slimmer Design
someone wrote: > did I mention Virtual Grafitti, ... and SLIMMER Design? Those are mutually contradictory goals. VG works much better on a hires+ display than on a square display. A hires+ display requires more battery power, which given similar battery technology requires a thicker case for the same battery life, not a slimmer one. For the slimmest handhelds with good battery life, Palm needs to go back to putting a lowres (160x160) square display on an OS5, or preferably an OS6 model with native ARM apps. RE: Why slider now?
hotpaw4 wrote: > Those are mutually contradictory goals. VG works > much better on a hires+ display than on a square > display. A hires+ display requires more battery > power, which given similar battery technology > requires a thicker case for the same battery life, > not a slimmer one. Thats silly... Are you saying it would be impossible for Palm to make a unit with a highres screen & VG smaller than a T/T?? I just handled an IPAQ in a store last weekend that had both those features and WAS indeed smaller than my T/T. I'm confident that Palm can make a svelt M515 like design with highress and VG... IF they put their minds to it! Eric RE: Why slider now?
The IPaq has a smaller display in term of pixels than a TT. 25% smaller, 25% less pixels to refresh, thus it can use a slightly smaller battery for similar battery life. RE: Why slider now?Foo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 10:31:52 PM #
Mike Cane said: "But, of course, by then, every CLIE will have the screen too." Yes, but they will all be high priced. RE: Why slider now?
For all of you complaining about the slider. Have you ever tried the Sony NX60? Its cheaper now. I for one, cannot wait for a product like this for its compactness. I do not see why openinig and closing the slider, should be a problem. They are software programs that can help that. As people already mentioned. I remember when it came out, every one was all 'UHHH Ahh' about it. What happened? Why do you want the form factor of the M505? Once you use a 480 x 320 HR+ screen with colapsable graffitti, you do not (DO NOT) want to go bact to 320 x 320. So this sounds perfect for me. When I bought my Sharp Zaurus, that was one of the things I love about it. The sliding thumboard. I do not presently owe a TT because of the screen size. Former Owner of: MobilePro 780, Clie S300, M505, Clie T615, Zaurus 550, Clie T665 Don't "loose" the slider. But lose the slider only if...
...this gives the T|T the same form factor as the Palm V. Otherwise I'll keep it as it. I haven't had a chance to use one outdoors, but I want a screen I can read in daylight. I have an iPAQ, and I'm not impressed.. The screen is nice *indoors*, but tough to read outside. And there is really nothing else about a PPC that would make me recommend one to anybody. So I'm wating for T|T 2.5. RE: Why slider now?
I said: "But, of course, by then, every CLIE will have the screen too." Foo said: "Yes, but they will all be high priced." Doubt it. Go look at the prices for the SJ/SLs -- whatever those Esses are in CompUSA. They are cheeep. I'd go for one *except* I just cannot take that stylus -- and I can't have a stylus that doesn't park in the PDA because it'd be the first thing I'd lose. RE: Why slider now?
My vote is for the slider for the compactness it offers. I use Jot, TextPlus, and SlideFree which as for others eliminates the need to use the slider to expose the Graffiti area. With KeyContacts as part of KeySuite, I can the Dpad to look any address without using the slider to exposing the Graffiti area. Most launchers allow to go through app categories and select apps with the Dpad. RE: Why slider now?
the rumored tt3 would be on os 5.2, the same for the tungsten c and zire71, the built-in character recognition using the screen and not the graffiti area is much better than graffiti anywhere, so no need to open the slider often. Still i love the slider because it makes my TT compact and minute RE: Why slider now?
I don't understand why you would buy T|T if you don't like the slider - the slider is there to make the unit smaller for those of us who want a small unit. If you want a unit without a slider, you obviosly don't care that much about the size of the unit when stored, so why don't you just pick one of the Sony units with VG, they have plenty to choose from? RE: Why slider now?
Yup, quick release date for me too. As for beta testing, nice idea, but I don't think so guys. Palm has enough leaks already. *cough*this article*cough* ;) RE: Why slider now?
I bought the TT for the resolution, not the form factor. I had an M515, and that form factor is perfect for me. I am so sick of constantly opening and shutting the slider. I would way rather have the extra screen real estate and have that form factor of the old "V". Bring it on! RE: Why slider now?swinginjonny @ 8/18/2003 12:15:36 PM #
Slider, shmeider... I want to know if those CRAPPY buttons are the real thing! I always bought Palm because it's always been game-friendly. I think this rumored T3 could be the handheld I've waited for my whole life (Okay, that's a slight exaggeration) and they might just mess up the one thing they've always done RIGHT!?!!? I switched to a PPC for the great games but nothing else works right on the piece of crap so I bought a Tungsten T. I miss the screen real estate and the really cool games that the PPC had. Palm, please don't tell me that you're going to come SOOOO close and still miss.
(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)Foo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 11:14:55 AM #
I say it's a fake. The button layout in particular looks very artificial. I can't see Palm SG developing something this ugly. ------------------------------- My blog: www.pocketfactory.com Buttons
The buttons are terrible! It's like the original Zire. What was wrong with the TT buttons? I hope Palm leaked these to get a feel. Bring back the normal buttons. And the sliders of the screen is kinda goofy. I'd want my apps to run in full mode whenever possible. I've never used a Tungsten T. Does the slider "lock" in the open position? RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
I'd have to say it's a fake, playing to our fantasies. Let's not get our hopes up (again). If it is real, and under $500, it will be killer. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
Not a fake. Palm is about to release a new product, and are just days away. Can't promise that this is it though. They did a great job keeping it under wraps. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
It's real. If you think it's fake, the burden of proof (or disproof) is on you. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)jamesgood72 @ 7/18/2003 12:04:35 PM #
Maybe the button layout looks weird because it has to work in both landscape and portrait modes. Maybe that grouping has less bias to portrait mode. The machine looks nice. Hope it's real, and not too far away from release. I could be swayed from Sony... -James. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)Foo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 12:21:20 PM #
Quote: "Not a fake. Palm is about to release a new product, and are just days away. Can't promise that this is it though. They did a great job keeping it under wraps." No, the Tungsten T2 is going to be released next week, not this thing. If it were, it would have shown up in the retail channel by now, just as the TT2 already has. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
I think it is a fake. If you look at the screen in landscape mode it appears to have backlight variations coming from the left side. This makes it look like someone took a screen shot and rotated it to fit horizontally. Besides, 320 x 480 just doesn't make sense with a slider. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
On most screens (m5x, Sony NX/NR/NZ/etc.), the backlights are placed at the top and bottom of the screen (portrait orientation), so having it be at the left in landscape makes perfect sense. -aardvarko webmaster at aardvarko dot com http://aardvarko.com RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
Good Lord, lets not listen to historical reason, rarely have these devices turn out to be fake (other than iWalk; T2 and this is still outstanding). Remember all those who said TT (Oslo at the time) was fake? RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
I say this is a set of fake pictures. Look at the pictures and notice that the screen look rectagular when the unit is slid closed. The screen should look more squarish. The two pictures that show the unit slid open also are inconsistent. The one that shows in landscape mode makes the screen look shorter than the picture that show it in portait mode. The picture of the open unit in portait mode makes the screen look MUCH bigger (longer) than the open one in landscape. I could have been had if it weren't for the odd out of propotation picture in landscape. Besides what sense does it make to have VG and have a slider to cover it up. What is the possible advantage of this? Mark RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
>>>Besides what sense does it make to have VG and have a slider to cover it up. What is the possible advantage of this? I don't understand that, either. Unless Palm SG is so hooked on the "People use it mainly to *view* information" idea. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
You know, even then it still doesn't make sense! Wouldn't you want to open the slider and collapse the Graffiti area to get more lines to view?! Or, say, to see more of a map? Or a full-screen picture? RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
>> I don't understand that, either. Unless Palm SG is >> so hooked on the "People use it mainly to *view* >> information" idea. I guess thats the reasoning but that still doesn't make alot of sense... won't people want to *view* more information with the *entire* highres screen. BUT, even on a T/T I use grafitti alot when I'm only *viewing* information... if I bring up the address book, and I'm looking for "Brian Jones"... I scribble a "J" and voila I'm already there. I use grafiti EVERY time I look up an addressbook entry. Or you can even write the 1st letter of an app name in the app launcher to go straight to the app you want. I use grafiti for "navigation" as well as "data entry". If the Zire had highres, VG, AND it could record and playback sound then I would switch in a second! my .02 cents! RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
If you had a Tungsten T, you would know that you can use the Navigator to up \ down scroll to J. Its very quick and handy, I think it works great. The primary reason I got the TT was because of the compact usable design, all thanks to the slider. Long live the slider! (I do think virtual graffiti and OKey should have been installed by default) RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
I think it (the slider) only makes sense for carrying it (in your pocket, on your belt, in your purse, whatever) because then the smaller, more compact size is compelling and you're not looking at the screen anyway. (plus it's good on spec comparisons with the competition!) ;) RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)Foo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 10:33:10 PM #
Hey, I agree a slider doesn't make much sense on a full screen design. But at this point, I am soooooooo desperate for a VG screen in a non-clamshell form factor I'll take anything!!! Hell, I don't care if the damn thing makes farting sounds when closing the slider. As long as I get the PalmOS device I have longed for, and it's reasonably priced (hello Sony, are you listening), I'll take it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Let us all join hands in prayer..."PLEASE, DEAR LORD! LET THIS BE REAL!!!!". Amen. ------------------------------- My blog: www.pocketfactory.com RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
Believing it's fake and praying publicly that it's real. See how desperate Palm OS users have become! Thanks, robrecht RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
Well, I said it was real (lower in the thread). I'd put up with the slider for that 320x480 screen *and* 1) 3rd party audio players (none for CLIE!) -- but what worries me is that photo of the Golden Gate Bridge at the Chinese site. Er, I hope this screen will be better at reds than the original TT screen is... RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
"I guess thats the reasoning but that still doesn't make alot of sense... won't people want to *view* more information with the *entire* highres screen." Look at the slid out view with the VG visible. Look at the bottom bar (which reminds me of the one I saw at the bottom of the NX series). Lower right corner, there's a downward pointing arrow, which, if they follow common sense UI guidelines, seems like it would shrink the VG area to me. RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
>>>Look at the slid out view with the VG visible. Look at the bottom bar (which reminds me of the one I saw at the bottom of the NX series). Lower right corner, there's a downward pointing arrow, which, if they follow common sense UI guidelines, seems like it would shrink the VG area to me. Yes, that's self-evident. Re-read what I wrote. I was making a different point. About that Soft Graffiti area -- god, I hope it's skinnable. That is just too plain! And I hope TealScript will work -- I won't put up with that Abomination and Work of the Devil and his Lawyers: Graffiti 2! RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
I can't believe no one mentioned this....Do you see the time on the top and on the bottom, but in different formats? The top (normal for Palm) time is in 24 hour format, while the bottom (VG area) is in 12 hour format. Kind off odd, don't you think? In addition, why would you want this information twice? I understand that it's normal to have it down there with VG, but if this were real, I don't think both would be on the screen--ESPECIALLY in different formats. -jeremy RE: Tungsten P (Photoshop edition)
Time in two places in two different formats: because they can do it?
My guess would be that a tap on the time in the "PalmBar" will toggle the date. Or so I hope... I also hope the whole "PalmBar" is pluggable. Let me remove the time and put in something else., for example.
It's NOT cool...
Yes, 320x480 is great, virtual grafitti is great, and it's about time that we see that screen size and resolution in a non-clamshell device (Garmin device not withstanding), but... Why hide the extra screen real estate behind that silly sliding mechanism? Palm has already confirmed that Tungsten T sales were below expectations, despite its excellent specs (at the time of release). Why, because the form factor is awkward. Forget the slider, keep the overall shape of the TT when 'opened', keep the new buttons/d-pad, and show off the screen!! How many 320x480 Sony Clie addicts have been BEGGING for a non-clamshell HiRes+ device. Replacing the 'twist and flip' with a sliding bottom doesn't seem much better to me. The slider in the original TT was to hide the silk screened grafitti area, now it is just hiding the one feature that makes this PDA truly unique as a Palm offering. IMHO anyway... RE: It's NOT cool...
well, i guess the collapsing design makes it tidy when not in use while still providing a great usability feature (d-pad) while open. RE: It's NOT cool...
someone wrote: > Why hide the extra screen real estate behind that silly sliding mechanism? So the buttons can be made bigger obviously, and without making the unit too tall to fit in a small pocket. Or did you actually like those teeny buttons they used on some Clie models? The other option is used by the Zire71, a stick instead of a DPad; but some people prefer a DPad. RE: It's NOT cool...
Doing away with the slider would make the T|T a honker. No other device is as generous with the buttons and their dedicated real estate, and still allows you to put it in your shirt pocket and button the pocket. Down with micro buttons and toothpicks!
PS: I did not like the button layout at first, but then I though of gaming with the thing sideways...
virtual graffitibradleyboy @ 7/18/2003 11:16:41 AM #
I know lots of people salivate over this feature, but honestly it's not a priority for me. My graffiti area ends up all scratched up anyhow, and that would reduce the usability of that display area. I'm not saying the extra real estate wouldn't be cool, just that I'm not going out of my way to get that feature. RE: virtual graffitikriegsfalke @ 7/19/2003 2:43:24 AM #
I use my M505 for more that 2 years now and my Graffity Area. This screen Protectors are realy good.
A BIG YES
I have been wishing for this ever since the launch of the Tungsten T. It is the best compromise for size and screen real estate. Some nay sayers may question the need for the slider, however size is of great many. What was a static waste of space is now more useful. I use the full screen when I wanna real documents and keep it close for a quick check of schedule or contacts. Sweet. With the UX about to be launch, the T3 seems to be 'not so high end'. Heck we might as well call this a mid-range handheld. Whatever the case, Palm is definately moving faster. Hopefully i haven't spoken to soon and only see the launch of this device in 6 months time. Isn't the T2 just about to be launch? RE: A BIG YES
I agree completely. It's just cool to have a sliding mechanism to make the unit smaller when you don't need the extra screen real estate. It would be even cooler if it had a spring-loaded slider so it would open automatically at the push of a button (like the phones in the original Matrix movie)... RE: A BIG YES
I wouldn't mind the slider if the unit wasn't THICKER than the m515. I've owned the V and m515 and my T|T isn't comfortable in a pocket between the weight AND thickness.
the Palm Group needs to hire Apple so they can learn to design elegant AND truly ergonomic products. And yes, I am a proud Mac Geek.
T2 or T3?
Why does this have to be the Tugnsten T3. The T2 hasn't been released and there is no evidence that it will be any time soon. Perhaps the prior T2 was axed because it didn't offer much new and this is the replacement. RE: T2 or T3?
Everyone is saying this is far off, cuz we haven't seen the t2 yet. You will see one of the two hit the stores in the next 3 wks (fact). Betcha someone here can even get a SKU number right now. RE: T2 or T3?
the T2 will probably have a brighter screen (from the Zire 71) and more than 16MB of onboard RAM. RE: T2 or T3?Foo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 1:33:29 PM #
Uh..guys, the TT2 is here now. Circuit City store across North America have them in stock right now, but can't sell them until Palm SG announces the product. ------------------------------- My blog: www.pocketfactory.com RE: T2 or T3?
Why not skip the T2 and go straight to T3? There's precident in the Palm world: there was never a Palm II, IV, VI, m200, m400, m600, etc... -alan RE: T2 or T3?Foo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 4:20:53 PM #
Quote: "Why not skip the T2 and go straight to T3?" Because the T2 is already here. It's too late for Palm to go making house calls to all retailers and scoop up those unreleased T2 boxes now. RE: T2 or T3?michaelalf @ 7/18/2003 5:22:07 PM #
Just went to BestBuy in Blommingdale IL and they have a T2 out to play with. The screen is brighter but the price was $699.00. RE: T2 or T3?Foo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 10:40:22 PM #
The TT2 does NOT cost $700. That is most certainly a mistake. Palm isn't stupid enough to price this device higher than the device it is replacing. ------------------------------- My blog: www.pocketfactory.com RE: T2 or T3?
YUP! it's $699 in Best Buy, I know for sure... I just bought it! I am looking at it on my desk. Oh ..don't ask.. OF COURSE I AM RETURNING THIS!! $699? has PALM GONE MAD? or is Best Buy gouging us.. in any event I have no intention of keeping this for this price. If it doesn't go down to $400 in 30 days, I'll keep my Original TT.. here's the scoop.. it's silver, 32 mb ram, nice screen, real processing speed... pretty even with the T original. Let's sat that the Tungsten C blows away the T2 in speed... no contest. so is it worth the upgrade at this price? NO F-ING WAY!!! I would,'t upgrade for $500, it's a $400 machine, especially when matched against the HP h2215 which in my opinion is very nice, and offers more ala swappable batteries, Bluetoth light indicator, ( by the way PALM, what was so tough about a light to indicate BT on?) oh yes.. back to the $399 hp2215,... NEVO remote control.. (awsome), complete syncing with Outlook, spped improvements with PPC2003, gorgous (bigger than T2) screen, great MP3 playback, (T2 sucks for this with realplayer), hmm Hp2215 has sd AND CF card support without a sled!!! 64MB ram, need I go on? Granted I LOVE PALM OS but PALM just blew me out of the water with a $699 price on a simple update which just keeps this PDA afloat with the compettion. You could spend $649 and get a 128 mb Ipaq 5555 with BT and Wi-fi, and all the bells and whistles. In closing, $699 is a huge price mistake by Best buy, or PALM, or BEST BUY is taking advantage of a prerelease on this unit.. in nay event, they will not get any more that $400 of my hard earned bucks for this T2... I am marching it right back for a refund.. good luck RE: T2 or T3?
I don't know if you just happened to get the biggest scam pulled on you, but I can promise that the true retail price of the T2 will be at $399.99 not $699.99! How do I know this, because I have received the marketing from Palm, and could give you the sku if you wanted. I would take that back if you truly paid that much, and have some Best Buy high-schooler's head IMHO. RE: T2 or T3?
Yes, Best Buy's site puts the price tag of $699.99 to T2. Hope that's $399.99, or less... although I'd wait until T3 comes in. RE: T2 or T3?Foo Fighter @ 7/19/2003 9:11:57 AM #
Yes, the price is wrong. So are the specs: Don't panic. The price is $399. RE: T2 or T3?dreamsofxion @ 7/19/2003 12:34:40 PM #
I can also vouch that the T2's price will be $399. I have a SKU pulled up at this moment in CompUSA's inventory system. The T2 has a SKU (300601) within CompUSA's inventory. List price is currently $9999.97, however, as there has yet to be a street date announced. CompUSA's inventory often reflects the street date in the list price of an unreleased product. However, given the employee cost of the unit, I feel quite confident that the unit will sell for $399. RE: T2 or T3?I.M Anonymous @ 7/19/2003 10:02:57 PM #
IIRC, Best Buy has a Price Match Guarentee. I'd highly suggest you take advantage of it before your 30 days run out.
RE: Its real
Seems like the same screen too. It has the same backlight shadow problem the NR70 had and I see it a little more on my NX80 than I did on the NX70. You can see it best when you look at the landscape shot with the launcher full screen. You can see the 4 distict white areas. I remember this used to drive nr70 owners bonkers. RE: Its real
>>>same screen display as the new sony
-- you mean the smaller 320x480 screen the UX has, right? That's what I suspect.
Finally!!!!!
This is the product that I have ben searching for! 3 years of waiting and reading this site have finally paid off. Bluetooth, small form factor, virtual grafitti, 64MB...Way to go Palm!!! RE: Finally!!!!!
I thought the Helix would be my next device, but this guy might just do it. It has about 90% of my requested features. -- Fammy RE: Finally!!!!!
And it will have the BEST FREAKING STYLUS of ANY PDA! Well, I had to get that bit out there... RE: Finally!!!!!
*\0/* Hurray Hurray *\0/* I'm buying this if it's real. It has everything I want!
_________________________ Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am!
Landscape when opened up?
I don't buy that Palm would allow the PDA to only be in landscape mode when yuo slide it open. Makes no sense usability-wise. Also, when in this landscape mode, the time on the systray on the right shows the numbers stacked. ? Not exactly a pretty solution. And there's no area to write on when in the landscape mode (unless I'm missing the VG button on that bar). RE: Landscape when opened up?
scratch that landscape only comment. The other pics show it in portrait as well. RE: Landscape when opened up?
What if the device had a gravitational device inside which determined how the device was being held to determine landscape or portrait modes? My Kodak DC290 digital camera has it. RE: Landscape when opened up?
"What if the device had a gravitational device inside which determined how the device was being held to determine landscape or portrait modes?"
What if I'm laying down sideways in bed? Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Real
To see if this device is real; go to the page bellow and try to get the FCC ID #. It's slightly blurred. Then go to the FCC website and look it up.
RE: Real
The whole FCC reg number in that picture is: O3W550000. This however seems to be just the filing for the original Tungsten T: RE: RealTungstenman @ 7/18/2003 1:26:00 PM #
O3W550000 is not the TT3 FCC number, it is the plain TT's number, I know because its my PDA A Palm in one hand is worth 2 Pocket PC Bricks : ) -Steve RE: RealI_M_Anonymous @ 7/18/2003 4:14:26 PM #
They can certainly share the same number if the radio structure is the same, to reduce FCC overhead.
Flip cover?
I hate the new button design, but did anybody else notice that the top section on the back of the T3 now has slots that could be used for a flip cover? It's about time Palm did something about that. RE: Flip cover? Ugly buttons!
The idea of a flip cover would be awesome.
And i must agree, the button-layout is horrible, its useless for gaming! Have fun,
The Time ....Edward Green @ 7/18/2003 1:06:42 PM #
Notice how the time is in 24hr clock at the top of the launcher, but in 12hr clock at the bottom? If this was a fake I would have expected them to be the same. What really is going on is Palm see the release of the new Sony and respond by leaking a couple of pics of a prototype to keep sony off the top news slot ... RE: The Time ....
Of course, they could be killing their T2 sales before they start, which is reminiscent and even worse than the m505 debacle. If they could rush the T3 into production as the T2, now that would be Panglosian. Thanks, robrecht RE: The Time ....
"Panglossian" Good one! I had to look it up. Yes, Palm seems to not be resting on their laurels finally.
Fake or Real?scouter075 @ 7/18/2003 1:15:08 PM #
As long as I've been following PIC,(a couple of years now) it still amazes and amuses me how some readers spend so much time and energy trying to convince everyone else that these "rumors" or real or fake.
When it comes down to it there are only 2 facts: 1. Real or fake, we'll just have to wait and see. Palm holds the cards. 2. PIC has an excellent track record and is usually right on the money. I, for one, have a lot of confience in them.
Seems Real to Me
The pictures look real to me. It seems that this is the answer to allot the posts I've seen here in the past. As if Palm was actually listening. Maybe they leak this out and watch for our feedback. Maybe the buttons would change. Why not, it's maket research at it's best ! If I was Palm this would be the perfect place for feedback on future designs. Remember only a month or so ago we saw pictures of the T2 and now it's here. Those pictures came from China as well. I wonder if it's already in production for release in early 2004. I fear the T2 is already doomed. I'm definitely going to pass on it and wait for the T3. What's six more months? RE: Seems Real to MeWileyCoyote @ 7/18/2003 3:19:03 PM #
quoteThe pictures look real to me. It seems that this is the answer to allot the posts I've seen here in the past. As if Palm was actually listening. Maybe they leak this out and watch for our feedback. Maybe the buttons would change. Why not, it's maket research at it's best ! If I was Palm this would be the perfect place for feedback on future designs. Remember only a month or so ago we saw pictures of the T2 and now it's here. Those pictures came from China as well. I wonder if it's already in production for release in early 2004. I fear the T2 is already doomed. I'm definitely going to pass on it and wait for the T3. What's six more months? quote Yes and remember those so-called photoshop experts who all claimed the pics of the T2 were fake? Some of them are now saying the T3 pics are fake-Those guys are slow learners in my book. RE: Seems Real to Me
I was one person who cried Fake! about the T2. I'm shutting my mouth this time. But *Foo* cried fake -- see above. RE: Seems Real to Me
someone wrote: > I fear the T2 is already doomed. What make you think there won't be a steep price differential between two new models to ensure that neither dooms the other? I think it's called market segmentation. RE: Seems Real to Mekriegsfalke @ 7/19/2003 2:53:08 AM #
I think its real. Look the latest models form Palm -> Tungsten T(Oslo) many said it would be a Fake, now you can Buy it. I think Palm will place the T|T2 for the low price Market and the T|T3 in the High End market. But where stands the Zire 71 now? RE: Seems Real to Me
I cried fake on the T2, but ate my words two days later. Here, I say there is no way possible this is a fake. This would be pretty hard to photoshop. Photoshops are usually done on close frontal pictures. To photoshop these, you would have to worry about perspective, background, ect.
Make a slider lockMediaBaron @ 7/18/2003 2:17:15 PM #
As a T|T I also hate the slider. As a compromise put a lock switch on the back so it can stay in the open position. That way those who like the small form factor can have that, those who would rather live large can have that too. I'm surprised that the case makers, are you listening EB Cases?, haven't made a case with a locking clip to keep to T|T in the open position. I'd buy one, I already own their case for my T|T. Full screen with Virtual Graffiti is cool, I assume it's gonna be G2 though. But those darn button in a circular pattern is going to mess-up my GTS raceing steering. RE: Make a slider lock
How about a spring loaded slider along with it. SNAP and it's open. Very cool.
Whats so bad about the buttons?
More and more games are supporting the dpad and now all you have to do is move a finger up and down a littel ways instead of left and right for shooting and what not.. whats so bad abotu the way they are grouped? wouldnt bother me in the lest... RE: Whats so bad about the buttons?
Well, let's say you move with the D-pad and shoot with the datebook button. On the T|T or Zire 71 it's pretty easy to use one hand or a finger for the pad and another hand's thumb to shoot. With this device your hands are pretty much on top of each other. There's a reason the buttons should be spaced out. RE: Whats so bad about the buttons?
if you have a dpad then why would you use more than 2 of the otehr application buttons in a game? RE: Whats so bad about the buttons?
Because some developers (like me) plan to take advantange of the extra buttons.
What is that next to the name?
What is that at the center of the top, to the right of the name? Is it just the spot where the palm logo gets glued in? It looks kind of like a camera, though that would be the wrong place for it to be unless everyone plans on taking pictures of themselves.
Doh!Purfekshunist @ 7/18/2003 3:57:49 PM #
As one of those clamoring for a PalmOS PDA with a 320 x 480 screen (High-Res+, virtual graffiti, or whatever you want to call it) without a built-in keyboard/thumboard, I have to say that this isn't it. Not for me, anyway. My wish for a PDA is still best described as an m515 with virtual graffiti, or half of a Sony NX series. At least there's no thumboard on this one, but why the slider? Why is it so difficult to make a "plain" PDA with a 320 x 480 screen and buttons (and two expansion slots - but I'll settle for one). What happened to the philosophy of simplicity of form and function that Palm was originally built on? I used to be hopeful, but now I'm getting discouraged. Palm is obviously sticking with the T|T form factor (abandoning the wildly successful Palm V/m500 series style), while Sony is going further into the "everything but the kitchen sink" realm. I'm now left to hoping that Apple will come out with a PalmOS PDA (they'd get it right). I guess that's an indication of how little chance I have of ever seeing what I'm hoping for. Oh well - saves me money. RE: Doh!bleedingedge @ 7/18/2003 5:50:45 PM #
The above comments echo the voices of many, myself included. I'm trying to squeeze as much life out of my little m505 as possible because nothing on the market is appealing. Thumb board on a PDA = garbage. The new clies are getting ridiculous. I am so frustrated because Palm doesn't seem to get the message about what we really want in a PDA. This guy said it best. As for this model, the slider would be pretty useless. The other day I was at the Apple Store, playing with the current TT, and I accidently closed the slider on my finger. It took a nice chunk of skin with it. I should have sued. Moving parts of a PDA is just as poor form as having a thumb board IMO. RE: Doh!
Personally, I love the slider. I use SlideFree and Jot, which means that most of the time I don't need to open the PDA. But the 360x480 screen will mean that when I do want to use a doc or spreadsheet, I have the option of using the extra real estate. But that isn't the reason I'm posting - after all, the argument is silly because it's all a matter of personal taste. I like sliders and you don't - fair enough. What I really want to know is: I mean, if you damage yourself using a PDA with one moving part, I figure that screen and CPU options are probably the least of your problems ;-) BTW I am the owner of 2 TTs and still have 10 fingers. RE: Doh!
ya know..All of you that dont liek the slider could jsut get one of those leather cases that are big enough to cover the tungsten when open and puyt velcro on the bottom of the slider to keep it open.. RE: Doh!Marshall Flinkman @ 7/20/2003 10:48:25 PM #
That's a compromise (Velcro) that many users, including me, aren't willing to make. Read through the case reviews--and comments--on The Gadgeteer (www.the-gadgeteer.com) if you have any doubts. Back when I had a PalmPilot Pro, I had a case for it that intended for you to use Velcro. I didn't bother, and haven't even considered a Velcro-optional case since. RE: Doh!
I used to be hopeful, but now I'm getting discouraged. Palm is obviously sticking with the T|T form factor (abandoning the wildly successful Palm V/m500 series style), while Sony is going further into the "everything but the kitchen sink" realm. Zire is the savoir. I believe it was a month ago that a rumor of two new devices from Palm (one Tungsten, one Zire) was released. If this is the Tungsten they were hinting at, a Zire is not far off. We can only hope that the zire will have VG. RE: Doh!
I would consider a Palm perfect if it had:
- the m5xx series' form factor Wouldn't that rock? It'll simply be the best - all that power in the sleek and subtle form factor of the original m5xx series handhelds.
Upgrade OS
Does anyone know if the OS of the Tungsten T2 and/or T3 will allow for the upgrade to v6? RE: Upgrade OSMarshall Flinkman @ 7/20/2003 10:52:22 PM #
From what Palm SG and PalmSource have said, probably, but we'll have to wait to be sure.
iPaq 55xx vs Tung C
So there I was at CompUSA this afternoon, freeloading on theri PDAs as usual (still having not upgraded my S320). After fifteen minutes, I finally get the damned iPaq 55xx to connect to the net via WiFi (it needed a soft reset, which if I had from the start, would not have taken 15 minutes!). I browse around, hit PIC. YOW! I see this story. But the pcitures are so... BLAH! So I grab the Tung C (which I detest!) and call up PIC. Ah, the photos are *viewable*! I've just come from the eNet site (I'm on a desktop terminal at a net cafe at the moment). OK, I think it's real. I'll go on record. (Buying a big fat crow for Foo to eat...) Man, do I hate those buttons, though! Ugh-lee! So, will Sony come out with a 320x480 T-series by Xmas? Damn right! RE: iPaq 55xx vs Tung CFoo Fighter @ 7/18/2003 10:44:55 PM #
I'll baste it with Lee & Perrins, and wash it down with a bottle of Beck's. This is one prediction I PRAY I'm wrong about. This is pretty much what I have DREAMED would come to market. *As I sit patiently with fork and knife in hand, awaiting my plate of crow.* RE: iPaq 55xx vs Tung C
Well, I'd still like a one-piecer with WiFi built-in. Take that NR/NX/NZ screen, break it off that hinge -- and make sure *Palm* makes it. Sony would screw up the fonts, stylus, and pricing... (despite the SJs/SLs currently being Reeel Cheeep at CUSA right now). But this will do! RE: iPaq 55xx vs Tung C
"it needed a soft reset" Very common occurance. Just supervised two weeks of wireless site design. The engineer used an iPaq which had to be reset a few times a day, every day, and that did not include rotating the screen which also requires resets to get back to portrait. Still, it beats carrying a laptop for eight hours. RE: iPaq 55xx vs Tung CFoo Fighter @ 7/19/2003 10:55:54 PM #
Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer a flip cover. There I times I really miss the Palm III form factor. Yes it was bulky and unattractive...but damn was it practical. You just shoved it into your pocket and didn't worry about the screen getting scratched or the paint chipping off (yes, those were the days before PDA vendors discovered plastic could be coated in paint. Too bad they can't figure out how to do it in a color other than silver!). Nevertheless, I am still greatly fond of the TT form factor (although I'm not at all crazy about the slider. Never trust moving parts, they wear out). As long as Palm doesn't pull a Sony and price this up in the clouds, and try to milk Palm users for all their worth, I will be more than happy with the TT3. RE: iPaq 55xx vs Tung C
Remind me again what PDA you are using these days, Foo. And didn't you also get a Dell PPC?! RE: iPaq 55xx vs Tung CFoo Fighter @ 7/20/2003 10:35:09 AM #
"Remind me again what PDA you are using these days, Foo. And didn't you also get a Dell PPC?!" Zire 71. But it isn't quite the PDA for me, hence my interest in T2...and now T3. As for the Dell, it isn't my main PDA. I chose it because of the insanely low price ($175), and I wanted to play around with PPC and see how the other half lived. RE: iPaq 55xx vs Tung C
>>>I wanted to play around with PPC and see how the other half lived.
-- what do you mean "other half"?!!? PPC doesn't have that kind of market share! You mean how the lower quintile get along.
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