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Many users have expressed frustration with PalmSource's move away form the Original Graffiti input system they have used and been accustomed to for many years. A simple method to replace Graffiti 2 has been discovered. Read on for a full step by step tutorial.
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Hmm...

Be3G @ 8/21/2003 1:27:32 PM #
...isn't it illegal to copy any parts of a ROM file for use on another device?

Thomas

Check out the *updated* Palm Tungsten|T review at www.comp-talk.co.uk

RE: Hmm...
sr @ 8/21/2003 2:16:29 PM #
If you own both devices I doubt it. It's illegal to distribute it.

RE: Hmm...
Ronin @ 8/21/2003 9:45:30 PM #
Gotta say, it is little nuggets of information like this that bring me back to PIC for my "Daily Dose of Palm OS Info".

Thanks.

In the Spirit of Umoja,
Ronin

Warez Infocenter?
The Ugly Truth @ 8/23/2003 8:18:31 PM #
Sounds like this article is promoting warez. It's a slippery slope and whoever runs this site needs to decide if they really want to support illegal activities. At the very least a disclaimer should be added indicating that using unlicensed Palm software is illegal.

RE: Hmm...
elo @ 8/26/2003 5:55:31 PM #
The slippery slope fallacy doesn't apply here. Use of any part of the Palm OS ROM on a device other than that for which it was originally licensed is prohibited under any circumstances. This article, then, arguably advocates an illegal act. The illegality is compounded by the fact that Graffiti is a patented property of Xerox Corporation. No disclaimer could shield Palminfocenter.com from legal action, should Xerox attempt such.

elo

RE: Hmm...
mszeto @ 8/28/2003 12:35:07 PM #
You need to chill. No one is making any money off of this - it just allows people to restore their original grafiti if they own both devices. No one will get sued since you couldn't sue for more than you pay the lawyers for an hour.

RE: Hmm...
elo @ 8/28/2003 9:26:04 PM #
I need to chill? Please reread my post; no emotion was expressed. As to the issue of exchange of money, none is required for legal action (including lawsuits, though I didn't mention them). The intellectual property discussed here has plenty of value.

Of course, the OP was about the legality of this article; I was merely responding with information that might be helpful to some. If you aren't interested, why respond?

elo

RE: Hmm...
Palm_Otaku @ 9/15/2003 9:37:27 PM #
Actually, it sounds like you were responding with some MISinformation: Graffiti is *not* a "patented property of Xerox corporation". "Unistroke" is, and from what I've been able to uncover on the subject, they aren't the same thing. I wish Palm all the best with their appeal.

Further, are you certain there is any inpropriety in my copying these files from an OS5 device I own, to an OS5.2 device I own?

RE: Hmm...
ThunderCracker @ 11/11/2003 5:13:50 PM #
The bottom line: I don't care. Graffiti 2 was killing me. It never should have changed.

Palm III --> Compaq Areo 1550 --> Palm IIIc --> Visor Edge --> Casio EM500 --> Sony T415 --> Compaq 3670 --> Dell Axim x5 Advanced --> Sony SJ20 --> Palm T|E

Too Easy?

palmhiker @ 8/21/2003 1:30:14 PM #
Is it just me, or does this seem a little bit too easy?

I'm starting to actually like G2, so I think I will leave well enough alone.

RE: Too Easy?
RhinoSteve @ 8/22/2003 6:17:38 AM #
Yes and no.

It shows good systems engineer on the PalmSource side. Pretty much, they just updated the handwriting rec. engine and kept the PRC names the same. Having the contention of PRCs of the same name in RAM and ROM resolve to where the OS runs only the RAM resident PRC goes all the way back to Palm OS 2.0.

However, since the Genie is out of the bottle with this now, who knows if Xerox legal will complain that it is too easy for the end user infringement. That is a massive gray zone.

But frankly, I'm glad this is so "drop in" so I can make a "T" the way I used to with the old stuff. :)

Where can I get those files?

Mr T @ 8/21/2003 1:31:25 PM #
I had a TT, sold it, and now I have a T2, and I hate Graffitti 2.

Anyone know where I can find these 2 files online so I can just hotsync them to the T2?

RE: Where can I get those files?
pda_xpert @ 8/21/2003 2:19:09 PM #
One of the original thread originators posted this link; he stated he'll make this file available for a few days.
http://www.tpug.org/SK-/Graffiti1.zip
I downloaded the file and virus-checked with Norton; it's OK.

If you want to follow the original thread, go here:
http://www.spug.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45510

The Graffiti1.zip link is on page 2 of the thread.

RE: Where can I get those files?
belek @ 8/21/2003 2:27:00 PM #
Who can try opposite operation?

Can we use Graffiti 2 on Tungsten T?

Can you send TT2 Graffiti2 PRCs?

Regards..

RE: Where can I get those files?
KB2PMD @ 8/21/2003 3:09:28 PM #
Well, you can do the same thing, by beaming yourself the 'grf2' (graffiti2) files, although if I were you, I'd upgrade the OS on your TT to 5.2!


RE: Where can I get those files?
Rawbear @ 8/21/2003 3:12:42 PM #
Do you have to rename the grafitti files after you put them on the T2?

Admin Please remove the link
SK- @ 8/21/2003 10:51:06 PM #
Thank you very much.


www.TPUG.org
Thai Palm Users' Group

RE: Where can I get those files?
Trandor @ 8/21/2003 11:41:20 PM #
I have successfully put G2 on my TT as well as write anywhere.

For G2 you need the following files:

Graffiti 2 Library, size 95K, creator grft
Graffiti 2 Library_enUS, size 131K, creator grft

For write anywhere you need:

GoLCD, size 7K, creator GAny
GoLCD-GAny, size 8K, creator GAny
GoLCD-GAny_enUS, size 2K, creator GAny

This worked for me, your mileage may vary.

RE: Where can I get those files?
jshiell @ 8/22/2003 12:23:57 AM #
Don't forget:

GoLCDLib
Graffiti 2 Prefs
Graffiti 2 Prefs_enUS

You can also copy the new Prefs application. Hurrah! :-)

RE: Where can I get those files?
icarus @ 8/22/2003 4:34:03 AM #
Hi Is anybody out there using a international (German) version of the T|T2?

Please drop me a note (preferable by eMail.)

Thanks
icarus

presently using T|T - waiting for 320x480 VG Design with Bluetooth (No clam-shell, no keyboard, no slider, etc.)

RE: Where can I get those files?
Tere @ 8/22/2003 12:45:51 PM #

Hmmm Question...

If you copy these files and the Graffiti 1 libs, can you get G1 with write anywhere? Has anyone tired this?

- Tere


>For write anywhere you need:
>
>GoLCD, size 7K, creator GAny
>GoLCD-GAny, size 8K, creator GAny
>GoLCD-GAny_enUS, size 2K, creator GAny
>
>This worked for me, your mileage may vary.



- Tere

RE: Where can I get those files?
belek @ 8/23/2003 5:23:31 AM #
Who can share Graffiti2 PRCs?
I want to try Graffiti2 on my TT. Please send me (belek@flashmail.com) or share it any web site.
Thanks.

RE: Where can I get those files?
budrowilson @ 8/23/2003 11:41:42 AM #
I put Graffiti 1 on my Zire 71 and write anywhere worked just fine.

RE: Where can I get those files?
Bartman007 @ 8/24/2003 3:11:42 PM #
I would like to do the same as Belek could someone please send me the GoLCD libs. I was able to find the G2 libs using the PalmOSSimulator but the roms provided with that don't have the GoLCD libs.
Could someone please send those libs to cannedbart(at)pacbell.net

Peace,
-Bartman007

Has PIC now turned into a warez group?
The Ugly Truth @ 8/25/2003 3:58:22 AM #
If you didn't buy a Palm with those files, you aren't entitled to use them unless you have permisson from Palm to do so.

Unless PIC supports trading stolen programs, these posts (and arguably this article) should be removed. If you feel it is ok to trade these, files you might as well start hosting PW-Patcher and the Palmpass updates. But no doubt you can find a way to rationalize stealing Palm system files...

Give me a break
atrizzah @ 8/27/2003 11:32:12 AM #
There's a huge difference between using PW-Patcher to steal software and beaming system files from one Palm to another, especially if you own both. Get over it

Peace Out
Alan
RE: Where can I get those files?
The Ugly Truth @ 9/4/2003 2:00:34 AM #
There's a huge difference between using PW-Patcher to steal software and beaming system files from one Palm to another, especially if you own both. Get over it

What is the difference between stealing an unlicensed Graffiti application (which Palm no longer will be using do to legal concerns) and stealing an unlicensed application from a company other than Palm? Please enlighten us all, Grasshopper. No doubt one of your law school professors can help you out on this one if you don't know where to start.


RE: Where can I get those files?
Vortran @ 9/17/2003 10:49:58 PM #
Geez, guys.. I'd pay a reasonable fee for the files I need to replace G2. Is there any way I can LEGALLY obtain the files I need? G2 is horrible. Absolutely horrible. I already sold my old PDA with G1 so I could get the best, newest (etc.) Palm Tungsten C - which set me back a cool $500. I am awfully upset at Palm for ditching Graffiti 1 for Graffiti 2. I can't say anything good about it at all. Boy, am I angry about this, and I can't see why my $500 shouldn't cover getting a usable Graffiti - if not a heartfelt, teary-eyed apology from Palm.

RE: Where can I get those files?
I.M Anonymous @ 9/19/2003 8:24:43 AM #
I now have the files up at http://www.zansstuff.com/requests.html

RE: Where can I get those files?
86l7 @ 4/27/2004 7:49:39 PM #
Graffiti 2 on my new Tungsten E is driving me crazy. I attempted to change back to the original graffiti using the SD card technique as listed and everything went great until I tried capitalization. The caps arrow flickers but I cannot get Graffiti to do caps--even when trying in the center area which works for Graffiti 2. Anyone have any success with the switch with a Tungsten E?

I cannot tolerate Graffiti 2. I attempted the switch using a SD card and all seemed to be fine except I could not get capitalization. Any help out there for a Tungsten E user? Palm of course says that it can't be done. Help!
RE: Where can I get those files?
decu1234 @ 9/2/2004 12:57:01 AM #

I am also a tungsten E user suffering with G2.
Did you ever find a method to upgrade to G1?

Although I have the G1 files
on my PC, I don't know how I can get them onto my Tungsten; I don't have anyone to beam them to me.

When I tried to "install" them, that failed because of some read-only error during hotsync. I suppose I don't want to install them, only to copy them over without installing.

How should I get them into Palm memory? I have FileZ.

--Steve

RE: Where can I get those files?
svrontis @ 9/2/2004 7:19:02 AM #
Try this: (1) load the G1 files onto an SD card (using QuickInstal); (2) copy both files from the SD card to your TE using Filez; and (3) reset your TE.

Cheers.

how to restore

hotpaw4 @ 8/21/2003 1:46:59 PM #
A hard reset may not be required.

You might be able to restore G2 by doing a "warm" (extensions-off/up-button) reset and deleting the added prc files, followed by a regular soft reset.

Another potential method to restore G2 is to use a utility such a FileZ to change the type and creatorID of the added prc files (to 'XXXX' maybe), followed by a soft reset.

RE: how to restore
bcombee @ 8/21/2003 7:02:14 PM #
The second method works (as noted below), but the first one, a no-notify reset, won't work. The Graffiti system isn't like a system patch or application; it is always activated.

--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com

Doesn't work for me

Rawbear @ 8/21/2003 2:07:08 PM #
I have a T and a T2. Tried the method but I can't make it work. From the T, FileZ cannot copy the files to a card. If I try to beam, the T2 crashes because the beamed files have a length of zero. Copy protected?
But I have no problem copying T2 Grafitti files to card.
Be careful!

RE: Doesn't work for me
Smoother @ 8/21/2003 2:25:40 PM #
Yeah, the 2 files is copyprotected. How can we beam from ROM actually? Never heard you could do that?



Smoother

RE: Doesn't work for me
Admin @ 8/21/2003 2:32:29 PM #
Filez will let you beam the two files
RE: Doesn't work for me
neoyuan @ 8/21/2003 3:27:07 PM #
FileZ can copy these two files to card...

RE: Doesn't work for me
Tungstenman @ 8/21/2003 4:02:24 PM #
If you go in to the file details, you may be able to uncheck the option for read only


A Palm in one hand is worth 2 PocketPCs
: )
-Steve B.

RE: Doesn't work for me
Smoother @ 8/21/2003 4:33:38 PM #
Ok.. havnt tried it with Filez though, just McFile.

Smoother
RE: Doesn't work for me
Altema @ 8/21/2003 5:09:55 PM #
McFile honors the copy protection flag, FileZ does not. I just copied the two files to my expansion card using FileZwith no problem.

RE: Doesn't work for me
Vidge @ 8/21/2003 5:54:17 PM #
I was unable to copy the 2 G2 files to my card. Filez would not allow me to un-check the read-only atrribute. Not sure how others are getting this to work (I'm using Filez 5.22, latest version).

I was also unable to hotsync the 2 G1 files to my TT2. I ended up putting them on the card and then moving them to RAM. Once I did that, I was able to get G1. WOO HOO!!

RE: Doesn't work for me
Smoother @ 8/22/2003 10:08:17 AM #
damn.. filez crashed my Flash.. :/ yes it could be beamed with it so...

Smoother

kinda glad i got an sj22

kisrael @ 8/21/2003 2:28:42 PM #
I'm glad my new SJ22 has the old Graffiti just because I'm more familiar with it.

Is Graffiti 2 that bad? Hard to adapt to? Less effecient or reliable?

RE: kinda glad i got an sj22
Geo @ 8/21/2003 2:52:31 PM #
I use a Zire 71, and have really found Graffiti 2's changes to the "i" character, "t" character and certain punctuation ("!" and "?" in particular) completely exasperating. Try as I might (I've had it for 3-4 months now) I still can't write any of those smoothly, or without referring to the Graffiti help.

They should've at least included a simple training tool to help people get acclimated to it, IMHO.

RE: kinda glad i got an sj22
KB2PMD @ 8/21/2003 3:11:38 PM #
I went from Grafitti 2 to the original on my Kyocera 7135. To tell you the truth, it's more or less okay, but I've been using graffiti 1 since 1997. The only downside to G2 is that certain characters (for example the 't') require two keystrokes, so the palm receives an when you try and write a t... in a slower Palm OS (like mine), when sorting through graphics and such, it's a pain.
Aside from that, I think G2 might be better in theory, just like the metric system... however, most of us are so used to it, we really don't have any interest in letting it change.
In the words of Grandpa Simpson: 'My car gets twenty rods to the hog's head, and that's the way I like things.'

RE: kinda glad i got an sj22
budrowilson @ 8/21/2003 6:29:28 PM #
Graffiti 2 is much less efficient *especially* if you're used to Graffiti 1. It has a few advantages, but the awkwardness of the "t" and "i" just make it more of a hassle than what it's worth. I just replaced Graffiti 2 with Graffiti 1 on my Zire 71, and I just want to say one thing...THANK YOU to whoever figured this out!!!!! I am very greatful...

RE: kinda glad i got an sj22
Geo @ 8/22/2003 5:36:14 PM #
That's cool, bud (I have a Zire 71 too). Which method did you use to get Graffiti 1 on it? I would like to try it myself :)



RE: kinda glad i got an sj22
budrowilson @ 8/23/2003 11:43:51 AM #
I installed Graffiti 1 files onto the Zire 71 expansion card. Then I copied the two files from the expansion card to RAM using Teal Mover. Then I did a soft reset. Voila!


Request: Which exact G1 files to use?
karenramel @ 9/28/2003 8:39:35 PM #
Switching from G2 to G1 on the Zire 71.

Please can someone confirm which of the 4 found files are needed? These 4 are from my old old m500 palm handheld. (I am now using a Zire 71 - my husband uses the m500)

The files listed from ROM from the FileZ ver 5.22

Filename: Graffiti
Type: appl creator: gdem size: 14381 b, 26 rec Unique ID: 262831, card 0 verison ID: 1
Attributes: Resource DB checked DATES: Created: 6/11/03 Modified: 6/11/03 Backedup: 6/15/03

Filename: Graffiti ShortCuts
Type: macr, Creator: graf, Size 668b, 1 recs, Unique ID: 8381625, Card 0, Version ID: 0
Attributes: Resource DB, Backup, OK Install New are checked DATES: Created: 6/11/03 Modified: 9/26/03 Backedup: 9/11/03

Filename: GraffitiExtension (locked)
Type: extn, creator: graf, Size 32902 b, 3 recs, Unique ID: 269589354, Card 0, Version ID: 1
Attributes: Resource DB, Read Only, Copy Protect are checked DATES: Created: 2/23/01 Modified: 2/23/01 Backedup: never

Filename: GraffitiExtension_enUS
Type: ovly, creator: graf, Size 14368b,b 13 recs, Unique ID: 269622264, Card 0, Version ID: 1
Attributes: Resource DB, Read Only are checked DATES: Created: 2/23/01 Modified: 2/23/01 Backedup: never

THANK YOU in advance for any and all help in pointing out which are needed. (If I can I'd like to do this right the first time)

The 2 files listed on the help page don't really seem apparent here (One file seems obvious but the other isn't):
-Graffiti Library.prc, size: 30k, creator: grft
-Graffiti Library_enUS.prc, size 22k, creator: grft

Karen Ramel
karenramel@yahoo.com
Vancouver, BC Canada

RE: kinda glad i got an sj22
karenramel @ 9/29/2003 5:20:49 PM #
Sharing the love: The responses to the which files inquiry re:M500 4 ROM listed Graffiti Files?

Thank you to everyone INCLUDING the very kind 3 persons I contacted directly about this. With all of your help I learned:

Unfortunatly, none of the files on the m500 can help you. The m500 runs OS4.x, and the graffiti system on it is incompatable with the OS5.x of the Zire 71. You will need to install the files from graffiti1.zip to a SD card and then copy them to your Zire. If you don't have an SD card, you can try installing the files from graffiti1.zip to the m500 (which will probably generate an error message of some sort), and then using filez to beam them to the Zire. However, I have not tried this, and it may force you to do a hard reset on the m500, so do a complete Hotsync first, and try it at your own risk!

Another kind soul shared:
You need to install graffiti1.zip (attached) to the SECURE DIGITAL CARD, then use another program (like Filez, or TealMover) to move the two files from the card to RAM, then do a soft reset.

*****If you do not install the files to the SD card (but instead install to RAM from hotsync), it will put the Zire71 into an infinite reset loop. If you would rather use what's on your husband's m500 files, just look for the files that match the two I'm sending you. A few people have had problems, but only when they didn't follow the directions I sent them. : )

Finally the third kind soul also included the crossingover10.zip file with the additional note that it (crosingover10.zip) will enable you to write capital letters where you used to be able to, but where g1 somehow doesn't allow you to.

Thanks to everyone!

I will try your suggestions and also crossingover. Perhaps crossingover is a smaller application than the application JOT that have?

FROM the PALMone.com website RESETTING THE PALM:
To perform a Soft reset, do the following:
Use the tip of an unfolded paper clip (or similar object without a sharp tip), to gently press the reset button inside the hole on the back panel of your handheld.

To perform a Warm reset, do the following:
Press and hold the Page Up button on your handheld. Use the tip of an unfolded paper clip (or a similar object without a sharp tip), gently press the reset button inside the hole on the back panel of your handheld. When the Palm logo appears on the screen, release the Page Up button.

To perform a Hard reset, do the following:
Hold down the power button on the front panel of the handheld. While holding down the power button, use the tip of an unfolded paper clip (or similar object without a sharp tip), to gently press the reset button inside the hole on the back panel of your handheld.
Release the reset button. When the Palm logo appears on the screen, release the power button. When the message appears on the screen warning that you are about to erase all the data stored on your handheld, do one of the following: Press the page up button on the front panel of the handheld to complete the Hard reset and display the Digitizer screen. Pressing any other button performs a Soft reset.


can't find the graffiti files

lweisbrod @ 8/21/2003 2:32:46 PM #
the files listed don't appear on my M515. I checked ROM also. Are there alternate names for different Palms perhaps?

I have held off getting the T due to the change in graffiti (though I'll probably give in when the T2 comes out.

RE: can't find the graffiti files
rsc1000 @ 8/21/2003 2:45:43 PM #
hmmm - will this work with graffiti from pre-os 5 devices? anybody know?

RE: can't find the graffiti files
Admin @ 8/21/2003 3:04:32 PM #
I don't think so, I could not find the same files on my m505
RE: can't find the graffiti files
sr @ 8/21/2003 3:07:57 PM #
"I have held off getting the T due to the change in graffiti (though I'll probably give in when the T2 comes out."

T has the standard Graffiti, the one you have on your M515. T2 has Graffiti 2.

RE: can't find the graffiti files
lweisbrod @ 8/22/2003 3:18:38 PM #
I meant T2- I tried it recently and would like to instead get the T3 when it is available, and get G1 on it. To do this I will need the graffiti files from a T1 to load on the T3. If anyone can get me these files I would be appreciative.
xrays@sympatico.ca

Is there a happy medium?

JeffRichardson @ 8/21/2003 3:36:24 PM #
I like some features of Graffiti 2, such as the way it handles uppercase and some of the punctuation characters, but I still can't get used to the letters t and i and k -- and it is starting to TIK me off. Is there any hack or third party solution that can be used to change the way that Graffiti 2 handles certain specific characters?

-Jeff

RE: Is there a happy medium?
Admin @ 8/21/2003 3:42:12 PM #
TealScript will do this for you

http://www.tealpoint.com/softscrp.htm

RE: Is there a happy medium?
Billav @ 8/21/2003 7:30:11 PM #
I don't understand why Palm can't make i,k and t "one stroke". I know that they can't have it exactly the same as before due to the Xerox lawsuit, but they need to have a "one stroke" option for every letter (even if it's counterintuitive) because some programs won't allow two strokes. You can draw a "D" fourteen different ways, but there's only one way to draw an "i"?

RE: Is there a happy medium?
guitarchick @ 8/22/2003 3:27:37 PM #
I love G1 but I am having tremendous problems with punctuation after switching back to it from G2 on my T/C. Anyone with suggestions/work arounds?

Got it to work with FileZ on Zire 71

AlanF @ 8/21/2003 4:53:40 PM #
Took a while to figure it out, but here it is:

1. I used the SPUG files since I have no TT to use. Installed the two Graffiti 1 files to my SD card. (My attempt to install them directly to the Z71 resulted in a soft reset loop, which I could only escape by hard resetting. Thank God for BackupMan!)

2. Using FileZ, I copied the files to the Z71.

3. Soft reset, and it worked fine. I do in fact have the old Graffiti 1 help screen popup as well.

Good deal. (Except now I have to relearn G1!)

RE: Got it to work with FileZ on Zire 71
Vidge @ 8/21/2003 5:58:38 PM #
Initially, I had the old G1 screen back on my TT2 as well. But once I enabled the write on the screen, it disappeared and I can't get it back. Any ideas?

RE: Got it to work with FileZ on Zire 71
AlanF @ 8/22/2003 10:13:49 AM #
I think writing on the screen is not an option for the Z71, so I can't help there.

RE: Got it to work with FileZ on Zire 71
budrowilson @ 8/23/2003 1:08:15 PM #
Writing on the screen *is* an option for Zire 71 owners. It's under Writing Area in Preferences.

RE: Got it to work with FileZ on Zire 71
Vidge @ 9/5/2003 10:36:12 PM #
I wasn't talking about writing on the screen - I was talking about the help screen. Anyway, I figured it out. I have to open the slider on my TT2 to bring up the help screen.

Restoring G2 after trying G1 without a reset...not so much

mattyparanoid @ 8/21/2003 4:59:07 PM #
I have been waiting a couple of days for these files to show up where I can get them. I was anxious to get back to G1 as I had never taken a shine to G2.

After installing G1 and getting that feeling of a comfortable pair of shoes, I decided to see if I could restore G2 without a hard reset.

I did a page up soft reset and used fileZ to try and delete the two files. It would not delete them, so I took a look at the settings and the two files have a setting of "bundle" in McFile and are shown as "Resource DB" in fileZ.

I tried to untick the setting in fileZ, save changes and delete the file. It put me in a flashing Palm logo reset loop. I had to hard reset to get out of it.

I don't feel like trying further, I believe you will have to hard reset to get rid of G1...but then why would you want to get rid of a pair of comfortable shoes as G1 !!!

Glad to have you back!

matty



RE: Restoring G2 after trying G1 without a reset...not so mu
bcombee @ 8/21/2003 6:56:55 PM #
Here is a procedure to uninstall without a hard reset.

1) In Filez, go to the Details form for each database. Change both the name and creator code of each one.

2) Soft reset your device.

3) In Filez, delete the two databases.

This works because Palm OS allows you to change the info for these while they are open, but not delete them. On a soft reset, it won't find the DBs, so it will use the ones in ROM, and then they won't be open anymore.

--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com

I've remove Graffiti1.zip from my server

SK- @ 8/21/2003 10:30:32 PM #
Oh.. This is a real cyberspace. Since I've told this trick to Brando over ICQ. He state that he want to post on www.brando.com.hk. I've no problem with that and didn't expect that this trick will be very popular like this.

But now its very popular and spread wide over the world. So then I would remove those file from tpug.org before my schedule to remove on Sunday. This is just to protect my self and tpug from illegal problem.

Hope you understand this.


www.TPUG.org
Thai Palm Users' Group

Looking for files

wendo @ 8/22/2003 4:58:06 AM #
Well, a friend has my Palm Tungsten|T so I can't get my own Graffiti Libraries (he's borrowing my TT since I got my TT2 and I can't get my TT from him for the foreseable future.)

Anyway, would anyone who got these files before they were pulled maybe email them to me? I would be most appreciative.

macally2002@earthlink.net

If not, that's cool. I'll have to wait until I see my friend.

-----

Pilot 5000, Palm IIIc, Clie N710c, Clie NR70v, Tungsten T, Tungsten T2

RE: Looking for files
ChadSLC @ 8/22/2003 9:17:44 AM #
Can someone send them to ctswan@msn.com as well. would love to go back to the familar Graffiti.

This is awesome! Thanks!

RE: Looking for files
Keyser Soze @ 8/22/2003 11:29:56 AM #
Could someone send me the files as well? Stupidly, I turned in my Palm V to get the $50 from Palm SG when I bought my Zire 71. Please help me get back to the original Grafitti!
- Thanks.

RE: Looking for files
lweisbrod @ 8/22/2003 11:43:04 AM #
could someone send me the graffiti files needed? I have an M515 and I plan to get the T3 when it is out. I can't stand G2 (tried a T2 and had to return it.
Thanks

xrays@sympatico.ca

RE: Looking for files
kblank19 @ 8/24/2003 2:25:45 AM #
are you guys getting these files e-mailed to you? if anybody has them, i'd love to have a copy too. please e-mail them to ilovegraffiti@kentb.com. i'm currently using tealscript and i'm very close to buying it, but i'd like to give this graffiti 1 hack a shot.
RE: Looking for files
kblank19 @ 8/24/2003 6:54:33 PM #
got the files -- thanks to the person that sent them. i still have to decide between tealscript and graffiti 1, but it makes me soooo happy to know that i can revert to graffiti 1 if i want to.

for those that care, i tested it on my tungsten c and here's what i did:

* hotsync'ed
* backed up to sd card (i use backupman)
* disabled tealscript
* copied the graffiti 1 files to the root of my sd card
* used launcher x's card tool to copy the files from sd to palm ram
* did a soft reset

after i did a reset, it prompted me for my password (as if the device had been locked) and after entered my password, it gave me some sort of fatal error. not sure what was happening here, but i did another soft reset and everything was fine. graffiti 1 worked like a charm even with "write anywhere on-screen".

then to remove graffiti 1 without a hard reset, i did:

* in filez, went to each of the files and appended 'xxx' to the name and changed the creator id to 'xxxx'
* did a soft reset
* using filez again, deleted the grafiti 1 files

in the end, everything was back to normal without a hitch.

RE: Looking for files
I.M Anonymous @ 9/19/2003 8:26:08 AM #
I have posted the files to http://www.zansstuff.com/requests.html

Excellent! But I'm torn...

Strider_mt2k @ 8/22/2003 6:05:20 AM #
PIC excells at this stuff. Great article!

I stayed with OS4 when I upgraded to my Sony SJ33 in order to get some more milage from the apps and hacks I've spent money on in the past.

I haven't tried Jot or Grafitti 2 yet, so I'm torn.
Something I've considered is the exact opposite however: going to Jot or Graf2 so that when I upgrade next time, which will surely be to an OS5 or above machine, I'll be ready to make the switch.

The idea of dragging the original Grafitti files over to a newer machine is extremely cool fom a hacking standpoint, but will we be able to do this with OS6, or (for better or worse) would it be better to just learn the new method?

Did they update the Giraffe game to train folks on the new method? The old one worked for teaching me G1.



RE: Excellent! But I'm torn...
Strider_mt2k @ 8/22/2003 6:35:24 AM #
Speaking of which, I guess this file thing could work two ways, yes? ;)

RE: Excellent! But I'm torn...
reinbeau @ 8/22/2003 12:49:54 PM #
I gave up trying to find the files and downloaded Tealscript. It's unfortunate to have to pay $19.95 to get the functionality (actually more functionality, but that's besides the point) many of us have had since buying our first Palm. Oh well, I'm happy again making my letters the ol' Graffiti way!

**************************************
Ann - happily using her Garmin iQue3600
RE: Excellent! But I'm torn...
Strider_mt2k @ 8/23/2003 8:09:21 AM #
I was refering to someone with G2 transferring the files to someone with G1 so that the G1 user now has full G2.


G1 with caps crossover

koolrain @ 8/23/2003 7:55:01 PM #
I have an original TT. Is there any way (using regular graffiti) to make capital letters by writing over the middle graffiti line without buying Jot? I have heard about this thing called middle caps hack, but I thought that hacks did not work with OS5.

RE: G1 with caps crossover
The Ugly Truth @ 8/23/2003 8:15:43 PM #
Graffiti Anywhere.

http://www.escande.org/palm/

RE: G1 with caps crossover
harryhh @ 8/24/2003 2:22:16 AM #

Wher do I get 'Write Anywhere Files'

shaypallas @ 8/24/2003 5:12:39 AM #
Where can I get the following 'Write Anywhere Files'

GoLCD, size 7K, creator GAny
GoLCD-GAny, size 8K, creator GAny
GoLCD-GAny_enUS, size 2K, creator GAny

I have sucessfully put Graffiti 1 on my my T2 using 'FileZ'


I would really appreciate HELP

The Covertec is a superb case beautifully made. Simply the best all round case yet. I have ordered a Digital Express case and am awaiting delivery. Also worth considering

Anywhere/Caps work?

QDeath @ 8/24/2003 9:10:29 AM #
If you return to the oroginal Graffiti on a T2 will . . .

-the Graffiti Anywhere still work?
-the Capitals in the middle of the alpha/non-alpha line?
-are any of the other enhancements in Graffiti 2 lost?


RE: Anywhere/Caps work?
budrowilson @ 8/24/2003 12:10:40 PM #
I installed Graffiti 1 on my Zire 71 and...
-Graffiti anywhere still works.
-Capital letters in the middle of alpha-non alpha line does not work (I wouldn't expect it to, though)
-Other than the caps concept, I cannot think of any other real advantage to having Graffiti 2 rather than 1


Doing so removes the Cap in the Middle

godschoice @ 8/24/2003 12:32:56 PM #
I am still deciding on which I will use. The G1 is what I am use to (i,t,q,k,!). G2 makes these particular letter and punctuation tougher for me. The k is by far the toughest for me to pull off. Going back to G1 would solve all of these, but then I will no have the automatic CAP option when writing on the centerline. I a swipe to cap worth the easy of writing the other letters the first time (versus 3rd or 4th time)? I've switched and switched back (thanks to Ben Combee) and will keep copies on my memory card until I can decide. Thanks for the info, PIC.


If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got!

Type to you later,

Carl
http://www.palmloyal.com

RE: Doing so removes the Cap in the Middle
budrowilson @ 8/24/2003 2:00:57 PM #
Scroll up on this page and find the reference to "CrossingOver." A kind person sent me a link to it on my email, and I tried it. It gives Graffiti 1 users the functionality of writing caps in the middle of the graffiti alpha/non-alpha line. It works like a charm!

-budrowilson

RE: Doing so removes the Cap in the Middle
mattyparanoid @ 8/24/2003 5:15:34 PM #
I cannot get my T|C to do the caps in the middle thing with G1 and Crossover installed. Caps in the middle does not work with GrafittiAnywhere either...

Does anyone have G1 installed on a machine that came with G2 and have the caps in the middle thing working using either Crossover or GrafittiAnywhere?

If so, is it on a T|C? Can you offer help? If I could get caps in the middle to work, with G1 on my T|C, I would be one happy camper...

matty

RE: Doing so removes the Cap in the Middle
budrowilson @ 8/24/2003 6:06:48 PM #
Matty-
I have a Zire 71 that now has G1 installed. I am using Crossover and I can write caps on the alpha/non-alpha line. I don't know what your problem might be. Maybe it's a software conflict with something else you have?

-budrowilson

RE: Doing so removes the Cap in the Middle
Vidge @ 9/5/2003 10:39:25 PM #
For some reason, this combination (Crossing Over + G1) doesn't work on my TT2

Need Files

Quickster @ 8/25/2003 12:09:46 PM #
I just sold my T|T a week ago and would really appreciate it if someone could email me the files at
carl.quick@lmco.com.

Thanks much for your time and help.


Need the Files (PUH-LEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!)

Callaghan @ 8/28/2003 11:39:02 AM #
Would someone be kind enough to send the replacement files to me at scottcallaghan@email.com ? I have downloaded Filez and searched for them, but they do not exist on my old Palm V. Need them ASAP.

Incedibly large and powerful amounts of good kharma will be sent in return.


RE: Need the Files (PUH-LEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!)
Callaghan @ 8/28/2003 3:39:32 PM #
Got the files (Thanks guys!). Only problem I'm having now is that this work-around doesn't seem to be compatible w/ OS 4.1.2 (which is what I have on my m515).

Any ideas out there? You guys are incredibly astute, so I imagine someone has figured this one out as well.



RE: Need the Files (PUH-LEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!)
The Ugly Truth @ 9/4/2003 1:53:30 AM #
Somone here has what you need:


http://www.pilotwarez.com/

RE: Need the Files (PUH-LEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!)
I.M Anonymous @ 9/19/2003 8:27:37 AM #
I have posted the files to http://www.zansstuff.com/requests.html

RE: Need the Files (PUH-LEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!)
golden322 @ 1/7/2004 6:48:12 PM #
I just installed the Graffiti1 files. And I don't know if this was the problem, but the Graffiti was showing the keyboard, not the graffiti area when I installed the files. Now the keyboards are up, and I am unable to switch back to the graffiti area- there is no place to tap that allows the switch. I tried a hard reset, but when I sync'd, it only returnd the G1 in keyboard form. Can anyone help?

Please reply to me directly as well as on the board- golden322@yahoo.com

Original Graffiti

Tcman @ 8/31/2003 3:32:15 PM #
I have a Tungsten T2 and would like to return to graffiti 1. Do I need to remove Tealscript in order to perform this operation? And if Tealscript needs to be disabled is there a way to do this instead of deleting the program? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Tcman

RE: Original Graffiti
leetone @ 9/2/2003 4:02:32 PM #
I had Graffiti 1 on my old Pilot 5000 but that's dead so I need the files. My e-mail is a_guirguis[at]adelphia[dot]net
Thanks in advance.
RE: Original Graffiti
leetone @ 9/8/2003 9:28:01 PM #
Many thanks. I got the files. No need for anyone else to send them. Thanks again.

RE: Original Graffiti
Toadstool @ 10/19/2003 1:45:43 AM #
Tcman, why do you want to change to the original Graffiti if you have Tealscript? Isn't Tealscript just as good, if not better?

I have Tealscript and I'm satisfied with it. But if you know of a drawback, please let me know. Thanks.

Toadstool

graffiti files all help appreciated !

kiwipalm @ 9/3/2003 11:39:33 PM #
hi guys, thanx for the tip on getting G1 back. can't locate the two needed graffiti files on my M505 to beam to my T2 - it'd be a huge help to send them to me - i'm tearing my hair out to get them off the M505 but it isnt working...

please send
graffiti library.prc
graffiti library_enUS.prc

to
pleasesean@yahoo.com

Cheers
sean

REQ: Bejeweled
The Ugly Truth @ 9/4/2003 1:46:09 AM #
hi guys, I really love the game Bejeweled but I can't afford to buy it right now - it'd be a huge help if someone could send it to me. You guys are the best and you're all the most amazing Palm experts around.

please send
bejeweled.prc

to
howard@astraware.com

Cheers
Howard


RE: graffiti files all help appreciated !
budrowilson @ 9/8/2003 9:15:52 AM #
That's just not cool man. I mean, if someone didn't know that was a joke, they might get into a little bit of trouble for doing that. In case anyone doesn't get it, Astraware makes Bejeweled.

G2 Punctuation shift characters so .............slow

Easy @ 9/20/2003 10:27:17 AM #
It's hard to believe that 'hate' of G2 is wholly levelled at double stroke characters on these pages. I can deal with the need to adapt (= dumb/slow down to the more intuitive). But no degree of adaptation will speed up the nearly 2 second wait for for punctuation shift characters to display!! Does anyone know if there is a way of reducing the lag time between entering the strokes and the character appearing? This impediment alone will drive me back to G1 on my T2.
RE: G2 Punctuation shift characters so .............slow
Canuck @ 10/3/2003 9:41:04 PM #
shift, do the punctuation characters, then shift again. The second shift indicates that you're finished - otherwised you have to wait the 2 seconds.
RE: G2 Punctuation shift characters so .............slow
Easy @ 10/18/2003 4:27:45 AM #
Thanks. Had read that but forgot to apply. Still, 5 strokes fro what was a dot and an alpha before is pretty cumbersome.

graffiti1 on palm zire71

vccac @ 9/26/2003 6:18:56 PM #
hi,
thanks for so much helpful information. i followed everything and got g1 installed on my zire 71. it works great, however, since doing that, when i try to close a da application using app/da launcher, i get this message, "SysEvtMgr.c, line:1409, pen q out of sync", and the system then locks and needs to be reset. does anyone know what needs to be done to fix it?
thanks. vccac

Works on my T3

nzjss @ 10/7/2003 6:53:31 PM #
Following instruction but deleting same name files on T3 first (using Filez) it works on the T3 using T1 Graffiti-1
The Wide Graffiti area works giving CAPS in the middle box and keeps old punctuation
Geeez that Graffiti 2 was anoying!

Back to Normal

digia @ 10/10/2003 7:50:11 PM #
I have been looking for something to give me G1 in my Zire 71 after finding that G2 just didn't work for me. (I even went so far as to buy a Clie SJ20, which is actually quite good -- now it's my backup.) Thanks for the leads. I am now Back to Normal!

What about my Visor? :-D

JimSpace @ 10/24/2003 7:02:34 PM #
Hi! This thread got me interested in joing this DB.
On the Visor I own, the only two graffiti files on it are:
Graffiti ShortCut, 2k graf and
GraffitiDemo, 13k gdem.

Will these work the same as the other larger graffiti files? Thanks!

-Jim

RE: What about my Visor? :-D
ThunderCracker @ 11/11/2003 5:11:14 PM #
You have to use the files from an OS 5 Handheld. I have done this on my T|E successfully. I actually used a Pocket PC to beam the files to the palm. Soft reset and I am done.

Palm III --> Compaq Areo 1550 --> Palm IIIc --> Visor Edge --> Casio EM500 --> Sony T415 --> Compaq 3670 --> Dell Axim x5 Advanced --> Sony SJ20 --> Palm T|E

Works for Tungsten/E

peu @ 11/5/2003 3:30:52 PM #
1- I downloaded both files from a Tungsten T
2- Copied them to the SD Card
3- Copied from the SD Card to main memory
4- Soft Reset
5- Voila!

Don't try to hotsync them because is not allowed.

cheers

Zire (PalmOS 4.12) has Graffiti2, how to get PalmOS 4 files?

Willeke @ 11/13/2003 10:08:31 AM #
Unfortunately my brandnew Zire M150 has PalmOS 4.1.2 and has the impossible Graffiti 2 in ROM.
My Palm III with Palm OS 3.3 has Graffiti Library v. 2.0 (but is still the original Graffiti!) in ROM BUT I can NOT find any Graffiti Library_enUS in ROM with Filez.
How to get Graffiti Library_enUS.prc ? Will a version from Palm OS 5 work? If you have the files for my PalmOS 4 please email me at wil@mail.nu
RE: Zire (PalmOS 4.12) has Graffiti2, how to get PalmOS 4 fi
jeremynichols @ 11/15/2003 7:51:35 PM #
You have to get the Grafitti-1 files from a Palm with OS5, such as a Tungsten. Your old model III (like my IIIxe) has an older OS and those files won't work. If you scroll back a couple of pages in this thread, you'll find the link to a web site where the guy is nice enough to post the required files. Download and unzip the files, copy them from your PC to your expansion card, put the card in your Zire, use a program like Filez to copy them from the card to the Palm's memory, and do a soft reset. You'll then have Grafitti-1 on your Zire.



RE: Zire (PalmOS 4.12) has Graffiti2, how to get PalmOS 4 files?
burkechurchill @ 11/21/2003 10:50:43 PM #
It WORKS!!! No more G2 on my T3! Thank God. I HATED it. Simply go to http://www.zansstuff.com/requests.html and download the files which also contain instruction on how to proceed. If you hate G2 you won't regret it.

RE: Zire (PalmOS 4.12) has Graffiti2, how to get PalmOS 4 files?
abosco @ 11/22/2003 1:15:12 AM #
Doesn't look like that site is one for warez. It looks like it just has some Graffiti files from the PIC fix, plus a few oddball news items and a blog.

"Palminfocenter should delete this thread if they want to keep Palm's advertising dollars from walking away."

PalmOne advertising on this site shouldn't have much impact on the content. Site policy is nothing illegal, as in warez, and that site has nothing more than what was suggested to be used in the G2->G1 fix made by PIC itself. Also, before all comments, there's a little message that says:

"The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. PIC is not responsible for them in any way."

If PalmOne would threaten to pull their ads everytime something questionable was brought up in forums, they WOULDN'T have any ads up. It doesn't work like that. Now if someone violates an NDA.. now that's a different story.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Zire (PalmOS 4.12) has Graffiti2, how to get PalmOS 4 files?
Hippocrates @ 11/22/2003 1:44:04 AM #
How do you like your SE T616? Sweet phone,isn't it? Everything the T68i should have been, but wasn't.

RE: Zire (PalmOS 4.12) has Graffiti2, how to get PalmOS 4 files?
abosco @ 11/22/2003 6:12:22 PM #
Well that's a completely random topic, but yeah, it's a really nice phone. Cheap, boatload of features, pretty nice screen, great speaker volume, and decent reception. Pairs up beautifully with any Bluetooth-enabled PDA.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Zire (PalmOS 4.12) has Graffiti2, how to get PalmOS 4 files?
Abe Frohman @ 3/30/2004 1:32:16 PM #
I'm in the same boat here. M515 crashed (OS 4.1 with G1)...I got a new M515 and it came with OS 4.1.2 and Graffiti 2.

Can someone direct me to the OS 4 Graffiti 1 files or email them to me?

Thanks!

Abe

Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti

dglueck @ 11/25/2003 11:44:21 PM #
I need help.
The advice that was published seems to apply only to OS 5.x I have 4.1 and want to go back to original Grafitti.

Does anyone know how to do this?

David L Glueck

RE: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti
markovian @ 12/17/2003 11:50:09 PM #
I also need help with this. My M515 with G1 kept having fatal reset problems, so I ordered another M515 rather than sending it in for repair. I received the new M515, but unfortunately it has Palm OS 4.1.2 and G2.

I tried installing the OS5 G1 Files and it didn't work. I tried installing the GraffitiExtension Files (GraffitiExtension.prc & GraffitiExtension_enUS.prc)from my G1 Model to the G2 Model, but it didn't work. Then, using FileZ I renamed these files to the exact same name as the rom files (Graffiti 2 Extension & Graffiti 2 Extension_enUS) and changed the creator to grf2, but this stopped Graffiti from working period.

So, I'm guessing that you can't get G1 onto a G2 Palm running OS 4.1.2. If anyone knows how to please let us know. Thanks.

RE: Replace 4.1.2 Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti
ScheB0RK @ 10/25/2004 12:45:18 PM #
My difficulties replacing G2 on my Kyocera 7135 are the same. The 4.1.2 files for Graffiti 2 are "Graffiti 2 Demo", "Graffiti 2 Extension", "Graffiti 2 Extension_enUS", "Graffiti 2 Prefs", and "Graffiti 2 Prefs_enUS". I have loaded "Graffiti Library" and ""Graffiti Library_enUS" with no net effect. What must be done with these files to change to Graffiti 1? Do I need to copy and rename "GraffitiExtension" and "GraffitiExtension_enUS" from my m515? Brian.Schellenberger@rrd.com

Putting Graffiti 2 on Palm Zire

dlarson @ 12/8/2003 5:41:59 PM #
This may be heresy, but do you know if it's possible to put Graffiti 2 on a Graffiti device? Will the hack work in reverse? I griped about the adjustment to Graffiti 2 as well, but for new users Graffiti seems to be much easier to pick up. I own both files so I'm not worried about the copyright issues.
RE: Putting Graffiti 2 on Palm Zire
happypalms @ 5/24/2004 12:27:07 AM #
The following I tried and it works great!!! :D

Trandor @ 8/21/2003 11:41:20 PM

I have successfully put G2 on my TT as well as write anywhere.

For G2 you need the following files:

Graffiti 2 Library, size 95K, creator grft
Graffiti 2 Library_enUS, size 131K, creator grft

For write anywhere you need:

GoLCD, size 7K, creator GAny
GoLCD-GAny, size 8K, creator GAny
GoLCD-GAny_enUS, size 2K, creator GAny

This worked for me, your mileage may vary.

Palm m130 -> Tungsten|T

Graffiti 1 files for OS5

vjfox7 @ 12/24/2003 7:48:38 AM #
HELP!!!
I went to the zansstuff site and he no longer has the files posted there (not that I could find.)
Could someone send me the files, please?

Thanks!!!

RE: Graffiti 1 files for OS5
Gekko @ 12/24/2003 9:29:15 AM #
check your email. maybe Santa sent them for Christmas.

RE: Graffiti 1 files for OS5
I.M Anonymous @ 1/17/2004 2:59:47 AM #
They should be back now. Make sure to go to palm.html, not requests.html

NE1 Find a Solution for G1 on the Sony Clie UX50??

sknaf @ 12/24/2003 12:39:52 PM #
I just got santa's present - a ux50 to replace my nx70, but I would like my old graffiti back.

Please help santa and let me know the way to replace
g2 with g1!!

- Scott

Anyone has graffiti1?
junglemike @ 12/26/2003 7:49:30 PM #
Hi everyone!
Can anyone Pleeease send me these 2 graffiti1 files.
I' am going nuts, it's just so auful. I almost can't use this graffiti2. The most annoying thing is these (i,t,k...) 2-stroke characters. And much more problems. For example , if ward ends with (L) and than i want to make space (it's a common case) What do you think i have instead? T!
I've been looking all over the net - all links with graffiti1 are broken. On zan's stuff page in his zip file graffiti library.prc is 1kb instead of 30 - so it is broken too probably. i moved from Vx to zire 71 so i have nowhere to get graffiti1
Please send me to muchael4 [at] 012.net.il
Thanks in advance.

RE: NE1 Find a Solution for G1 on the Sony Clie UX50??
Gekko @ 12/26/2003 7:55:55 PM #
check your email. maybe Santa will send you a late gift.

RE: NE1 Find a Solution for G1 on the Sony Clie UX50??
dspilcher @ 12/30/2003 2:33:35 PM #
I too am frusterated with graffiti2 on my new tungsten and am ready to return to my old palm. I've tried the FileZ rom solution and do not have the two referenced files on my m515.
Can someome make my New Year by sending the files to me?
Gracias!

Thanks

jshawnd @ 12/29/2003 9:31:24 PM #
Just wanted to thank the people in this thread for getting me back to Graffiti 1. I was nearly ready to return the d*mn thing...

Change works !

Palmnot pc @ 12/29/2003 9:59:04 PM #
I followed your steps and all works ok. I cannot believe the number of comments about doing something illegal. If the software is Xerox owned why do they not promote it and sell to to palm users. Maybe they are but I have not read or seen anything in any magazine or website.

For the people that are concerned about doing something illegal - my suggestion is do not read the PIC and or get a life !

where to find grafitti1 files

happyWithNewTE @ 12/30/2003 2:01:56 AM #
They are nowhere to be found :-(
Could somebody be so kind to share them with me?
arpenaREMOVE@THIShotmail.com will do fine !!
Thanks !

graffiti 1

decu1234 @ 1/3/2004 10:48:40 PM #
Would anyone be so kind as to send me the two required files to revert to graffiti 1? sink200 AT hotmail.com

My old handspring visor got stepped on :(
which is why I got a new Tungsten. I am disappointed that Palmcorp would have me learn a new input method just to save a few pennies. They used to be a good company.

RE: graffiti 1
Gekko @ 1/3/2004 11:34:25 PM #
check your email

RE: graffiti 1
jsicad @ 3/22/2004 11:56:02 AM #
pls send me link as well..pls thanks!

Graffitti 2 replacement

DKPHA @ 1/4/2004 9:01:57 AM #
Hi,

I can only say I'm not satisfied with Graffitti 2 but I have found a tremendous piece of software TealScript from Tealpoint. This allows you to customize how you write all letters and I mean all letters including all the international ones and special characters. This is really worth the 20$

Best regards
Palle

want to put Graffiti 1 on T2 - hate Graffiti 2!

hiehle @ 1/14/2004 10:35:17 PM #
Could someone email me the files to put Graffiti 1 on my T2? I've been a Palm user since 96 (Palm Pilot and Palm V), and have been laboring with the Graffiti 2 since getting my T2 in Sept.

Thank you !!!

hiehle8@yahoo.com

RE: want to put Graffiti 1 on T2 - hate Graffiti 2!
Gekko @ 1/14/2004 11:28:04 PM #
check your email

RE: want to put Graffiti 1 on T2 - hate Graffiti 2!
mswunder @ 1/20/2004 7:53:00 PM #
Did someone send you the files? Did it work? If so, could you send them to me? Thank you.

wunderfamily-palmtungsten@yahoo.com

mswunder

Howto: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti

medmatch @ 1/20/2004 2:52:59 PM #
I tried this without success. I found the two files mentioned, alright. Beamed the first one using BeamBox. This caused a Fatal Exception immediately upon accepting the file. Soft reset wouldn't get it. Only a Hard Reset would do, naturally wiping out all of my hard work & the newly installed Graffiti Library.prc with it. Has anybody else experienced this? What's the solution? I was really itching to get back to the Original Graffiti.

RE: Howto: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti
StephenT3 @ 2/26/2004 2:14:37 PM #
Why don't you just install TealScript v3.21

It emulates graffiti version 1 when you tick the 'enable' box with no changes in default settings.

It also offers infinite modification to all character strokes should you want, but I use it just to write 'k', 't' and 'i' the way I have been for ths last 6 years!

stephen

RE: Howto: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti
viqsi @ 3/10/2004 8:40:46 PM #
*ahem* FINALLY!

I have a Tungsten E. I dunno if this is normal for Tungsten E users, or if I'm just cursed (call it a fifty-fifty shot). But getting those two little files on my T|E took a heck of a lot of effort, because I don't have a SD card or a T|T, and the Palm Install Tool refused to install the files to an "expansion card" created using PalmRamDisk.

I *did* ultimately succeed though, and (more to the point) succeeded in a manner that is platform-agnostic (at least as much as ZBoxZ is), so this may be of interest to Mac and Linux users. I haven't actually tested this, tho; I don't have access to a Mac, and even tho I prefer Linux I was using Windows at the time I got this working and I don't want to try going through this again ;).

So, here's how I ultimately managed:
1) First, you need the files. I picked them up from the zahsstuff link (mentioned elsewhere in this thread).
2) Install FileZ onto your Palm. See: http://nosleepsoftware.sf.net/download.html
3) Install PalmRamDisk onto your Palm. See: http://www.handwatch.com/
4) Install the ZBoxZ Suite. See: http://palmboxer.sf.net/
5) "Box" up the two PRC files using whatever means is appropriate for the OS. (Under Windows, I installed the conduit and then stuffed them into C:\Program Files\Palm\\ToBox\)
6) Get said boxed files onto the Palm (the method I used did this automatically)
7) Make sure PalmRamDisk is working, 'cause we're about to use it! (easy way is to go to the Applications listing and check the menu to see if there's a card that you don't have inserted showing ;D )
8) Open ZBoxZ. Select the files and use the Install command to install them onto the 'card'.
9) Open FileZ. Copy the "installed" files off the 'card' to the Palm's main memory.
10) Soft reset.
11) Rejoyce.

And if you think that instruction list is long, you should have seen my wild attempts at getting this going before! ;)

RE: Howto: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti
plunket @ 4/10/2004 10:58:05 PM #
Man- what a pain all that sounds!

I too went to my IBM Workpad c3 (aka Palm Vx) and discovered that there were no files there. Since the batteries had long since died, I had to do a full sync and thanks to the developers of WebPro, AcroRead, and the BT software the sync copied all of those files to my Vx as well, even though the two are different machine names... Oh well...

Anyhow- I got the files off of the illustrious WWW. I now didn't know how to get them to my Tungsten T3. I don't have an SD reader for PC, and I didn't want to install a bunch of crazy software and copy files all over the place. So, I tried beaming to my T3, but for some reason it doesn't bring up the IR stuff in Windows like my Vx does. Ahh well. Then, oh yes- I did OBEX File Push to throw the files across Bluetooth to my T3. I just started the transfer, a few seconds later it completed, and then I rebooted. Way easy! I suggest to whoever is maintaining the G1 files that the instructions add this option, because it is the easiest way by far (if you don't have the G1 files already on another Palm machine).

Where can I get Graffiti 2?

happypalms @ 3/11/2004 3:20:08 PM #
If anyone knows where I can get Graffiti 2 and Write Anywhere, please e-mail me at: happytidbits@yahoo.com.
I have a T|T and I would like to try Graffiti 2.

The files I want are:

Graffiti 2 Library, size 95K, creator grft
Graffiti 2 Library_enUS, size 131K, creator grft
Graffiti 2 Prefs
Graffiti 2 Prefs_enUS
GoLCD, size 7K, creator GAny
GoLCDLib
GoLCD-GAny, size 8K, creator GAny
GoLCD-GAny_enUS, size 2K, creator GAny

Graffitt 2 to 1 on Zodiac Tapwave

niolonra @ 3/13/2004 7:09:25 PM #
Hi
I too think the Graffitti 1 to 2 switch was stupid. I was able to shift the files from my Tungsten T to my Tapwave Zodiac with no effect. Tapwaves files are names like the Tungsten, but include "2" in the title, so I renamed the Tungsten 1 files. That's when I got a critical error message and had to hard reset to recover. I don't think it works for Zodiac
;(
Rich

can i have some love?

cebailey59 @ 6/28/2004 1:21:04 AM #
I'd really appreciate if someone would send the files to chadbailey AT gmail.com. I'll trade you for a gmail invite when I have some, if you're interested. I've tried pulling the files from my visor deluxe, but no dice. Imagine the change from that to an NX73V that came in the mail friday...

Putting G1 on a Tungsten T3

smokeythecat @ 7/1/2004 2:01:24 AM #
Could someone please email me the two necessary .prc files? I'm in the proces of upgrading from a Vx, and I can't get used to the new G2 system either. Have looked all over the web, but with little success. Thought my Vx would have it on ROM, but for some reason I couldnt locate it - even after ticking the ROM box in Filez. Thanks.

My email address is: Polanski@paradise.net.nz

RE: Putting G1 on a Tungsten T3
Gekko @ 7/20/2004 12:17:39 AM #
check your email

graffiti 1 files

kimura @ 7/19/2004 8:23:49 PM #
I have a Tungsten C and hate G2. Tried to beam files from Clie but no go. Does any one have the original G1 files from an old Palm?
RE: graffiti 1 files
Gekko @ 7/20/2004 12:11:51 AM #

you should post or list your email, genius.

RE: graffiti 1 files
kimura @ 7/20/2004 7:24:01 AM #
RE: graffiti 1 files
kimura @ 7/20/2004 8:15:15 PM #
Got them and its works! Thank you

graffiti 2

buildordie @ 7/22/2004 4:26:07 PM #
I have seen earlier posts with downloads to replace graffiti 2 with graffiti 1. can anyone forward with instructions?
buildordie97@hotmail.com

Graffiti files

elfshadow @ 7/24/2004 10:18:24 AM #
Can someone please - please - PLEASE - send me the two files needed to convert back to blessed Graffiti 1.

Thanks in advance.
elfshadow@iinet.net.au

Grafitti 1 Files

dcwest @ 7/25/2004 5:45:23 PM #
Would greatly appreciate 2 req'd files for G1 restoration. west_david82@hotmail.com

RE: Grafitti 1 Files
Gekko @ 7/25/2004 8:25:06 PM #
build, elf, dc - check your email.

RE: Grafitti 1 Files
gobabushka @ 7/26/2004 12:27:07 AM #
Could u send me the files as well PLEASE! gobabushka@yahoo.com

I HAVE THE FILES!!!!!!!!!!!!
gobabushka @ 7/26/2004 12:32:16 AM #
Go to: http://www.zansstuff.com/programs/graffiti1.zip
I just downloaded them, and they work, but u can't just hotsync them! FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS!

Need files to restore original graffiti

nadbob @ 7/27/2004 10:19:29 PM #
If anyone has the original Graffiti files necessary to overwrite the Graffiti 2 would you please send them to me. Thanks.
nadbob@mac.com

RE: Need files to restore original graffiti
DS111 @ 8/22/2004 1:33:33 PM #
Would someone please be so kind as to send the G1 files to royerstuff@myway.com?
I've lived with G2 for 6 months and it still is a poor substitue for G1
Thanks
RE: Need files to restore original graffiti
Gekko @ 8/22/2004 1:45:53 PM #

check your email

Need Graffiti 1
raven @ 8/24/2005 3:06:21 AM #
please oh please would someone email me the prc's for Graffiti 1? Thanks!

RE: Need files to restore original graffiti
svrontis @ 8/24/2005 3:18:06 AM #
raven, please tell us which palmpilot you have (there are different G1 files, depending on the OS version).

RE: Need files to restore original graffiti
Gekko @ 8/24/2005 3:21:15 PM #

raven - check your email.


Why do you need a Tungsten T or Sony Clie

Dooray @ 9/12/2004 3:47:45 PM #
I have read this article and I am interested in trying this but in the steps there is no step requiring the Sony Clie or the Tungsten. I have a person with the Handspring Visor and I have the Zire 31. I have downloaded the FileZ software. My plans are to beam him the FIlez then let him beam me the 2 files listed under step 1.

So why is there a need to access the Sony CLie or the Tungsten? Please reply. I very much want the original graffiti. I lost my Visor last year. I should have had it replaced while Handspring was still repairing them.

If you know of anyone repairing Visors please let me know as well.

Thanks Dooray

RE: Why do you need a Tungsten T or Sony Clie
JonathanChoo @ 9/13/2004 6:05:13 AM #
It seems you would need OS5 version of Graffiti one. But I don't know. I am using TealScript because it mixes the best of both G1 and G2.

--
Generic PDA > 5mx > Vx > m505 > N770C > T625C > NR70V > e310 > m550 > h2210 > T/T3 & h4150
StarTac > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630 > K700i (nxt week)

G1 can someone email me the 2 prc files PLEEEEEASE

lancelot @ 9/19/2004 4:19:13 PM #
i would greatly appreciate it. use this email doubleshot@myself.com

thank you very much

RE: G1 can someone email me the 2 prc files PLEEEEEASE
Gekko @ 9/19/2004 5:48:15 PM #

check your email

grafitti

dalger @ 11/16/2004 11:28:07 AM #
Help!
I hate the grafitti 2 as well. but how the heck do I get to "handheld file manager" and the "fileZ" ?
Thanks, someone.

re: grafitti restoring. I HATE grafitti 2. But how the heck to you get to the "handheld file manager" and the "fileZ" Help!!

Alternative to CrossingOver

schwinn @ 1/4/2005 9:55:22 AM #
I noticed that CrossingOver was designed for T|T only, and I have a T|E, so I went looking for a similar program, and found the following:

http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/capitalizer.shtml

It does what crossingover does, and then some. A great way to restore some of the missing (useful) functionality for G2.

BTW: Of course, I, too have successfully put G1 on my Tungsten E... and with Capitalizer, I have restored the middle-caps-hack capability on my OS5 PDA...

Treo 650

kinson @ 2/25/2005 1:08:43 PM #
Great article, changed the super irritating graffiti 2 to graffiti 1 on me Clie nx 80

but me dad bought a treo 650 (which i'm happily playing with fer a week, hehe), but i can't seem to change the idiotic thing to run on
graffiti 1, can anyone help? i used the same way to change the clie, but it doesnt work, i even tried renaming the files, but i dont think it lets me.

btw, would appreciate someone sending me the prc for the write anywhere or something. Much thanks :)

kinson7@yahoo.com



G2 to G1 files.

jayb472457 @ 4/13/2005 12:34:44 AM #
Would someone please send me the G1 files too please? TIA!!

Not so great on Zire 31

TonyGray @ 5/26/2005 3:44:36 PM #
I tried the simplest version of the instructions, just install the two prc files and my hotsync log gave me the msg:

Install synchronization failed
Protocol Error: Read-only. (4009)

but what's worse, my Palm now has an all-blank full screen dialog with no writing but a single 'Reset' button at the bottom which doesn't work, and the unit won't respond to any buttons, pwr button included.
Worse still, it gives me the same message after all resets _including_ a full hard reset. I phoned palm support (it's a new pda) and they told me to try running the battery flat, and if that doesn't do it, I'll have to exchange the unit!

Should the battery drain reset work, I'll try installing via writing to the expansion card and moving over with Teal Mover.

Not so bad after all on Zire 31
TonyGray @ 5/26/2005 9:11:40 PM #
Did the battery-drain reset (can't just disconnect battery, the leads are soldered(!) to the mb), but after that came up OK.

Moved loaded PRC files for graffiti 1 to SD card, then TealMover'd to RAM and we're off to the races. No more 'l' when I want an 'i'.

Need two files graffiti 1

yudoadrian @ 5/27/2005 12:30:32 AM #
Can someone please send me the two files needed to convert back to Graffiti 1.

Regards

Yudo adrian.
yudo@dutakreasi.co.id



Graffiti1 files for Zire21

palmist77 @ 7/5/2005 5:28:06 PM #
Where can I find them ?
Thanks a lot in advance.

Zire 72

neepheid @ 10/20/2005 1:20:07 PM #
Just a quick note to report success with a Zire 72. Graffiti 1 working in conjunction with CrossingOver and write anywhere still functional too. Thank you, thank you to the author of this guide.

nemo me impune lacessit

How to install G1 on a Z22?

Headbanger @ 11/23/2005 2:50:31 PM #
I've tried installing the G1 hack that reportedly works with OS5, but on my Z22 it only caused the screen to go wild and I had to hard reset to restore the PDA's functionality.

Does anyone know of a source of G1 files (Graffiti Library.prc and Graffiti Library_enUS.prc) that work on the Z22?

Many thanks,

David


Graffiti Library.prc, size: 30k, creator: grft
Graffiti Library_enUS.prc,

RE: How to install G1 on a Z22?
skeptik73 @ 12/29/2005 12:51:50 AM #
I went through the exact same thing (on Z22).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Graffiti 2 is terrible. Even when you do get the multiple strokes right, its just plain wrong AND just plain slow. A single tap to go to punctuation mode, and upstroke to do capital... those were just plain right and intuitive. And now... all gone!



RE: How to install G1 on a Z22?
buccikong @ 4/30/2006 1:01:16 PM #
Hi,
I just purchased a Z22 and am frustrated with Graffiti 2 since I've been using Graffiti 1 for many years. I've tried all of the posted solutions to get Graffiti 1 to work and nothing has been successful. Did anybody ever find a way to get Graffiti 1 to work on the Z22?

Thanks.

RE: How to install G1 on a Z22?
Simony @ 5/7/2006 2:23:28 AM #
No.

Suggest you download Giraffe and play it to improve your G2. You can get it from here:

http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/3csoftware.html

If you play it for 10 minutes a day for about a week, you will find that G2 becomes second nature. That's my experience, anyway.

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their profits.

RE: How to install G1 on a Z22?
hkklife @ 5/7/2006 11:00:27 AM #
Graffiti 2, especially in its laggier incarnations, can never become as intuitive as G1 was. Simply too many strokes are required for certain characters such as # while "T" "K" and "I" are all notoriously difficult to pull off while rapidly entering text.

You know, come to think of it, the success of the Treo and Palm's focus on it rather obviates the fretting over G1/G2 (keyboard). It also gives Palm an excuse to not worry about larger/VGA/OLED screens for the time being-320*320 or lower small square screens on all Treos to date.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

RE: How to install G1 on a Z22?
rmandl @ 5/27/2006 4:58:06 AM #
Did you finally succeed? I can not stand G2 on my Z22 but all my attempts to install the files (for 5.4) failed. Any idea?


RE: How to install G1 on a Z22?
flaxton0 @ 6/12/2006 3:50:26 AM #
I read your comments about graffiti1 on a Z22, did you have any luck, if so how did you do it, i am fed up with version 2.


a link that works

forestlake @ 12/30/2005 7:14:37 PM #
to get the 2 files you need go to this site

http://zansstuff.com/palm.shtml and look about half way down the page

or here is the direct link http://zansstuff.com/programs/graffiti1.zip

i did this on a Zire 31, copied the files to my memory card first, then copied them to the Zire. After a soft-reset it worked !!!!

die graffiti 2, die!

locks up when doing a soft reset

jdwaters @ 12/30/2005 9:38:53 PM #
Hello,

I have a Palm T|X.
At one time I had successfully loaded Graffiti v1 on it. But I had to do a hard reset. Not sure how I got it to work in the first place. But I'm sure it was some instructions somewhere on the internet. But I can't find the page. And these instructions aren't working for me.

When I try to follow these instructions, it locks up.
I copy the 2 old graffiti files to my card, then to my Palm, then reset. But when I reset, after the orange screen, it locks up on the grey logo screen.

the only way to clear it is to hard reset again.

Any ideas on how to successfully install version 1 of Graffiti??
please, I'm pretty desperate! I'm a LONG TIME Palm user (since 1999) and this new version of Graffiti is killin' me!


RE: locks up when doing a soft reset
forestlake @ 12/31/2005 6:20:53 AM #
hello, just wondering if you had checked out my post which appears above yours in the forum? it worked first go for me and my palm is now free from the Graffiti 2 demon!

here is a paste of my original post...

==========================================
a link that works
forestlake @ 12/30/2005 7:14:37 PM #

to get the 2 files you need go to this site

http://zansstuff.com/palm.shtml and look about half way down the page

or here is the direct link http://zansstuff.com/programs/graffiti1.zip

i did this on a Zire 31, copied the files to my memory card first, then copied them to the Zire. After a soft-reset it worked !!!!

die graffiti 2, die!
=================================================
hope this is of help!

RE: locks up when doing a soft reset
jdwaters @ 12/31/2005 4:22:40 PM #
yep, looked at your post and a million others with the same info. Followed the directions as my posting says - synced to card first, then copyed to Palm.
when I do a Soft Reset - it hangs. The only way to fix it is to Hard Reset, which of course wipes out everything.

RE: locks up when doing a soft reset
FooFooTheSnoo @ 1/31/2006 6:55:19 PM #
JDWATERS:

I too:

* have a TX
* been using Palm pda since about 1999
* had G1 on my TX
* had to do a hard reset
* cannot get G1 back onto TX

Same symptoms, it locks up after putting the two files onto the TX. I've tried beaming, I've tried Bluetooth, I've tried copying from an SD card (FileZ). Same result each time - lockup after soft reset requiring hard reset.

Did you ever find a solution?

How to do this hack on a T|E2

Bellor @ 1/29/2006 9:39:07 AM #
I tried to do this cool bit on my Tungsten E2 but the fileneames are different... I tried to rename them... but it still didn't work. Does it even work on a E2? Has anyone succeded in doing it on a pda similar to mine (i mean with Garnet 5.4.7) ?
RE: How to do this hack on a T|E2
green_tea @ 5/13/2006 12:27:09 PM #
I tried to replace 2 files (Graffiti Library_enUS.prc,Graffiti_Library.prc: I think thease files are fitted for OS5.4)to G1 ,but did not work well.
Please advice me too !!


RE: How to do this hack on a T|E2
P_User @ 2/3/2009 11:03:54 AM #
It does work with Tungsten E2, but only partially. If you use these files then you have to enable "write anywhere". You won't be able to write on the designated area at the bottom of the screen without getting an error and a reset. You will however be able to write with Graffiti 1 on the top half of the screen. As I don't like writing in the top half of the screen, trying to revert back to graffiti 1 is useless for me. I only wish I could get this to work!

Hope that helps.

need graffiti 1 files

silvertooth @ 4/22/2006 5:48:34 PM #
Hello all. Just got a new Palm and I CANNOT STAND the new graffiti!!! It looks like a lot of you have been able to change back to the old style. Can someone send me the files, please? I no longer have my old Palm. I very much appreciate it!

Digital Music. Heart. Power. Passion. Reduced to data.
RE: need graffiti 1 files
flaxton0 @ 6/12/2006 6:41:26 PM #
has anyone got the lowdown for a palm z22, and how to load the graffiti files, email me please,i used one suggestion and my palm crashed.
Detailed info please from someone with a z22.
thanks

MiddleCaps with Garmin 3600

MrBillr @ 7/4/2006 2:42:04 PM #
I found the trick to get rid of Graffiti 2 and go back to Graffiti 1. It works great!

My first palm was the Handspring Visor and then the Palm 515. The Graffiti 2 is trash, I just could not adjust.

I had the MiddleCaps hack, but that would not work with OS5.2.
I installed CrossOver and that caused a "pen sync error" and would reset every time. So I deleted that.
I now have Capitalizer and that "almost" works. The 1st character on a line is always a number. No matter where my pen is, it comes out as a number. So I have to write my line as I want it but ignore the 1 st number, that go back and delete the number.

Is there a way to make Graffiti 1 and something like MiddleCaps work cleanly?

Thanks,
MrBill

MrBill

why does this not work?

P_User @ 2/3/2009 10:50:02 AM #
Can anyone tell me why this is not working on my Palm Tungsten E2? I follow the steps and after reset, Graffiti works! But... Only if I enable "write anywhere" and write on the top of the screen. As soon as I write in the lower designated writing area I get an error message and have to reset the device. This happens over and over again.

I did notice that the file names are different then the ones already present on my Palm. I even tried renaming them so that they were the same. I just got the same results by doing this. The files available for download say that they work with the TX, and they are very similar devices. I was thinking that the TX though does not have a hardware writing area at the bottom, but rather a software one. But then it says that it works for Z22 and that palm does have a hardware writing area at the bottom of it's screen, so I just don't know!

Any ideas?

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