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MobileWizardry and Mobile Digital Media (MDM) have announced the upcoming release of a Atari 2600 emulator, named "Atari Retro."
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Alllllllll right!

Waffles @ 10/13/2003 2:35:57 AM #
First post,
I loved playing Adventure and Asteroids when I was a kid. Long live the 2600!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Alllllllll right!
antikryst @ 10/13/2003 3:04:19 AM #
hehehe i remember playing dungeons and dragons and pheonix!!! :D

RE: Alllllllll right!
DWD @ 10/13/2003 5:15:58 AM #
I love retro games. This will definately be on my Christmas list.

RE: Alllllllll right!
Strider_mt2k @ 10/13/2003 6:38:10 AM #
Excellent!
I hope it works on my SJ33!
I was a big Adventure fan!


RE: Alllllllll right! - BUT...
McTrinsic @ 10/13/2003 6:46:20 AM #
As great as it sounds, I am suspicious.

The wording lets me think of something very bad, i.e.: only "officially" released games (or something like this) will be available for the Emulator. The cooperation with Atari indicates that.

For me to buy it it would be absolutely necessary to load any ROM from any cartige any time.

Let's see if ti can deliver that.

Have fun,
McTrinsic

RE: Alllllllll right!
ardiri @ 10/13/2003 7:00:25 AM #
> Excellent!
> I hope it works on my SJ33!
> I was a big Adventure fan!

due to the complexity of the Atari 2600 - this is an ARM only product. the Atari 2600, although an old gaming system - doesn't have the luxuries where emulation really can be done easily. emulation is very timing dependent, no screen buffer exists and as such the emulation is very demanding.

our initial implementation in '68k world' ran at around 2 or 3 frames per second (totally unusable). with the optimizations in place, it would run at maximum 7-8 frame per second; which, would be unusable for many games out there. adventure would probably be fine :) the ARM code emulates at a true 60 fps - which was nasty to get even on 102Mhz ARM cpus :)

are we still buying 68k devices these days? :)

> The wording lets me think of something very bad,
> i.e.: only "officially" released games
> (or something like this) will be available for
> the Emulator. The cooperation with Atari
> indicates that.
>
> For me to buy it it would be absolutely necessary
> to load any ROM from any cartige any time.

well, this is emulation in its 100% legal sense. the 'making money of other peoples work' trolls can go away this time - as, the rom images are bundled within the product; under official license. this means the currently license holders will get money for their efforts.

while it is possible to fork this off to be a generic 'load your own rom' emulator - we decided to take the more legal route with this product. it is an officially licensed emulator. additional games can be placed in, once licensing is settled - and, thats not for us to decide.

part of the license deal also prevents us making it possible for users to say "i dont like that game, i want to load in pitfall instead". this wont be possible - as, many of the games have been tweaked specifically to work with our emulator - especially in regards to user control (joystick/paddles). it has been optimized for the games in place.

just wait for the liberty update :) its coming.

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Aaron Ardiri
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http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Alllllllll right!
abosco @ 10/13/2003 9:54:25 AM #
I never liked the emulators that forced you to find ROMs from crack sites across the internet. I'd prefer this way instead. Or maybe a happy medium like what happened after the guys at ClieSource got a hold of the Palm GameGear emulator and made it hot-swappable for any GG ROM. Now that was cool. Illegal as hell, but cool. But with Ardiri doing the project and all... I predict chains and padlocks around the software, plus big guys with shotguns around the entrance.

-Bosco
RE: Alllllllll right!
4s @ 10/13/2003 10:26:35 AM #
I would love to see Pitfall and Adventure!


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RE: Alllllllll right!
Konstantin @ 10/13/2003 10:32:51 AM #
abosco wrote:
"I never liked the emulators that forced you to find ROMs from crack sites across the internet. I'd prefer this way instead. Or maybe a happy medium like what happened after the guys at ClieSource got a hold of the Palm GameGear emulator and made it hot-swappable for any GG ROM. Now that was cool. Illegal as hell, but cool. But with Ardiri doing the project and all... I predict chains and padlocks around the software, plus big guys with shotguns around the entrance.
"

I personaly have not seen yet one emulation programme that 'forces' you to go find ROMs from crack sites across the internet.

All of the emulators have a CLEAR STATEMENT about that you can use the emulator with LEGALY PURCHASED ROM IMAGES, and if you cannot personaly DUMP the ROM image you can however get a ROM of a cartridge you OWN and it will be legal as you are allowed to have a backup of your data.

Who exaclty is "forced you to find ROMs from crack sites across the internet"?

Go buy that ROM image. There are plenty of them on eBay.

RE: Alllllllll right!
TobyG @ 10/13/2003 11:02:39 AM #
So does this mean no Pitfall? Gee, that would have been the one reason I might have bought it.

RE: Alllllllll right!
fleegle @ 10/13/2003 11:35:54 AM #
I would love to see Pitfall!

If it is an emulator, does that mean it would have the same low resolution (blocky, unrealistic character movement, etc.) as the original Atari 2600? That would be great if it were improved, but, then again, it would be nostalgic if it remained the same. :-)

RE: Alllllllll right!
maven @ 10/13/2003 11:58:27 AM #
These are the original Atari 2600 titles, with the original graphics and sound. Only difference is we've reduced the flickering sprites :)

We'd also love to do Pitfall and other Atari classics. Currently though, we only have a license with Atari (Pitfall is Activision) Who knows though? Maybe we'll be able to get them too!

RE: Alllllllll right!
ardiri @ 10/13/2003 12:14:56 PM #
> So does this mean no Pitfall?
> Gee, that would have been the one reason I might have bought it.

pitfall we know works - it was our testing rom image because of the timer within the game; our aim was to get it ticking 60 seconds in 60 real seconds :) then we knew we were emulating fast enough *g*


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Very interesting...
The Ugly Truth @ 10/13/2003 12:28:47 PM #
well, this is emulation in its 100% legal sense.

this means the currently license holders will get money for their efforts.

we decided to take the more legal route with this product.

Aaron Ardiri

Are there now percentages in legality? While it is nice to see that Mr. Ardiri is finally recognizing the validity of the intellectual property of others in this instance, it remains to be seen if this will continue. It also remains to be seen if versions of the emulator that allow any stolen ROM to be used will mysteriously appear a day after this product is released. Will Mr. Ardiri and his partner Maven show they've fully reformed by ensuring the new Liberty GameBoy emulator only works with licensed ROMs? I doubt it, but I hope they will pleasantly surprise us all.


I never liked the emulators that forced you to find ROMs from crack sites across the internet. I'd prefer this way instead. Or maybe a happy medium like what happened after the guys at ClieSource got a hold of the Palm GameGear emulator and made it hot-swappable for any GG ROM. Now that was cool. Illegal as hell, but cool.

-Bosco

Next up on Fox: When Children Go Bad
I realize that you are still a child, but it's disappointing to see that your Mommy and Daddy apparently weren't successful in teaching you the difference between right and wrong. It's revealing to hear how little regard you have for the rights of developers. No doubt you rationalize this by saying you can't afford to pay for the software because you're "just a kid".


Theft is theft. It's a black and white issue, no matter how much people attempt to explain their actions. The Palm platform is unfortunately especially susceptible to warez kiddies due to the inherent simplicity of its copy protection schemes. I feel sorry for developers that take the time to produce and support solid applications, only to see their livelihood taken away from them by thieves. Palm users need to stop turning a blind eye on software theft. If a program is useful to you, please pay the registration fee. Is the typical $10 - $30 charge really that unfair?

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Alllllllll right!
TobyG @ 10/13/2003 12:33:03 PM #
Yeah, I realised Pitfall was Activision's. Here's hoping that they'll agree to license it under reasonable terms. I may wind up getting it for Adventure anyway, but Pitfall would definitely be the ultimate for me personally. Cheers.

RE: Alllllllll right!
ardiri @ 10/13/2003 1:37:57 PM #
> Will Mr. Ardiri and his partner Maven show they've fully reformed
> by ensuring the new Liberty GameBoy emulator only works with licensed
> ROMs? I doubt it, but I hope they will pleasantly surprise us all.

no. we are really evil. end of story.

to make matters worse, we'll most likely team up our efforts with the MorphGear guys and port a whole suite of emulators to PalmOS in collaboration with them. now, most users can be all nice and happy since they get to play games which are otherwise not available on the platform.

if it isn't us doing it, someone else will do it. you might as well have someone with the appropriate experience to make sure the emulation is as close as the original as possible.

if the original license holders want to work with us? sure.. this is what happened with the Atari stuff - and, people will still complain. i realized a long time ago you cannot please everyone; fact #2 of life. as for "The Ugly Truth", thanks for the morality lessons you throw on the boards/discussion sites from time to time - i read them, sit and think about them for a max of 3-4 seconds, then, get on with what i am doing.

emulation is 100% legal - accept it.

if we didn't have a license deal like this, we probably would have released a version where you could download your own roms. just because we have the license doesn't mean we are more 'moral' - at least, in your vision :) we are not doing this just for you - we are doing it because there is money involved, to pay for our efforts in doing the emulator in the first place.

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
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RE: Alllllllll right!
abosco @ 10/13/2003 1:56:13 PM #
Next up on Fox: When Children Go Bad
I realize that you are still a child, but it's disappointing to see that your Mommy and Daddy apparently weren't successful in teaching you the difference between right and wrong. It's revealing to hear how little regard you have for the rights of developers. No doubt you rationalize this by saying you can't afford to pay for the software because you're "just a kid".

What in the hell? I realize you're still an idiot, but it's disappointing to see you carry around that arrogant aroma around with you, constantly thinking you're one notch above everybody else because you have a witty handle and put a trademark symbol in your signature. Watch out, this guy knows ALT+num key commands.

And what was wrong about my statement? I clearly stated I PREFER doing it this LEGAL way that MW is doing. The same method was taken with Palm and Sega in the GameGear emulator, but hackers looked at the code and made tools to swap in any GameGear ROM you had. It's unfortunate they weren't able to prevent that, and being that Ardiri has an entire guide up on how to protect your software, I blame it on stupidity and ignorance.

Hey, here's a question. How much money is being made off THIRTY year old ROM's? Yeah, I'm sure we're putting Atari in the poor house because of all this ROM swapping going on in the internet.

And that last statement you made about 'just a kid' was uncalled for and a very weak shot. Such a morally-sound and educated man as yourself surely should know the fragile state of a young mind, right? So you're either wrong, or you're a jackass. Or maybe you're wrong AND a jackass. Your call.

Either way, what I said in my previous post was that I preferred the legal route. Yes, shame on my parents indeed!

-Bosco

RE: Alllllllll right!
aaronchow @ 10/13/2003 2:05:56 PM #
To Aaron Ardiri and Maven:

I'm really happy to hear that you've bought our old memories back to life again, and I'm even more happy to know how smooth the games are and how satisfying the user-experiences will be.

I don't really understand why other people are *itching on you guys on this subject, as they don't make any sense. And I can understand it's Atari's decision on which games to make publicly, so all I can do is to wait for Atari to release [b]Pitfall[/b] :) .

Anyway, so will the Atari games release in MMC card only? What about MemoryStick? If this is only released in MMC/SD card, then Atari's old fans like us, when using CLIE devices, will be left out. Or will we be only able to get these games under PalmGear?

I just want to thank you for all your works and time spending on the Palm platform, and may we give our best regards to Mobile Wizardry and you.

"I doubt, therefore I might be."

Mr. Ardiri: again you prove my point . Thank you.
The Ugly Truth @ 10/13/2003 2:22:56 PM #
Your words speak for themselves:

if it isn't us doing it, someone else will do it.

you might as well have someone with the appropriate experience to make sure the emulation is as close as the original as possible.

if we didn't have a license deal like this, we probably would have released a version where you could download your own roms.

we are doing it because there is money involved, to pay for our efforts in doing the emulator in the first place.

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Aaron Ardiri

I hope eventually you come to understand why so many people find your "logic" faulty.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

Is it ok to steal?
The Ugly Truth @ 10/13/2003 2:30:13 PM #
And what was wrong about my statement? I clearly stated I PREFER doing it this LEGAL way.

Have you ever used any ROMs that you have not purchased? If you've done so (even if you prefer to not be "forced" to steal, you are still stealing. Ask your Mommy and Daddy and I hope they will tell you stealing is wrong.

The same method was taken with Palm and Sega in the GameGear emulator, but hackers looked at the code and made tools to swap in any GameGear ROM you had. It's unfortunate they weren't able to prevent that, and being that Ardiri has an entire guide up on how to protect your software, I blame it on stupidity and ignorance.

So now you say it's "unfortunate" that the GameGear emulator was hacked. Do you really feel bad that this happened? Have you ever used the hacked emulator? And why do you blame the emulator developers (the victims of theft) for their "stupidity and ignorance". Are all victims of theft "stupid and ignorant" in your opinion?

Hey, here's a question. How much money is being made off THIRTY year old ROM's? Yeah, I'm sure we're putting Atari in the poor house because of all this ROM swapping going on in the internet.

How much money the ROMs generate is irrelevant. If you are using this as an excuse to justify theft, you'll need to try harder.

And that last statement you made about 'just a kid' was uncalled for and a very weak shot. Such a morally-sound and educated man as yourself surely should know the fragile state of a young mind, right? So you're either wrong, or you're a jackass. Or maybe you're wrong AND a jackass. Your call.

Either way, what I said in my previous post was that I preferred the legal route. Yes, shame on my parents indeed!

-Bosco

Age and maturity are not necessarily synonymous. While resorting to juvenile insults in an effort to win an (already lost) argument is by no means a method exclusive to children, hopefully you'll be able to raise the level of your commentary in the future. Remember: stay in school.

Since it appears that your parents at least succeeded in teaching you the difference between right and wrong, hopefully your conscience will "force" you to make more sound decisions in the future. I wish you well, Grasshopper.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Alllllllll right!
Konstantin @ 10/13/2003 2:45:13 PM #
The Ughlee thruth is such a troll.

ROFL


RE: Alllllllll right!
aaronchow @ 10/13/2003 3:09:19 PM #
It's interesting to see a their to speak publicly with such a loud voice. It's like we don't know you're using illegal ROM images, and it's like we don't know you have cracked a lot of games before, huh.

If you don't pay, you don't play. It's that simple, and if you prefer not to pay anything when your mother doesn't give you enough pocket money, then go ahead and crack your games.

It's just like we don't know who you are.

"I doubt, therefore I might be."

RE: Alllllllll right!
Billav @ 10/13/2003 4:17:29 PM #
I won't be buying this, even though I want a handheld Atari emulator. I just can't get into playing video games on a Palm, unless it's a board or card came. Even with the Tungsten 2, it's a pain for me. I'll wait until someone puts it out for the GameBoy Advance; like Aspyr is doing with the Activision 2600 series (55 games for $30). For those of you asking for a handheld Pitfall:

http://www.aspyr.com/games.php/gba/actant/



RE: Alllllllll right!
Strider_mt2k @ 10/13/2003 5:44:50 PM #
I apreciate Mr. Adiri's response to my question about running it on an SJ33.
Thanks, that was nice, even if I found out I can't run it. ;)

The moral question being brought up here however, is very interesting and should be discussed.
(all insults aside)

I'm 37 if it matters...
I have to admit that I come from a generation where as kids we would line up to tape a buddy's album, or do the same for them too.
It carried over with software of course...

That is/was just as wrong, and is probably responsible for alot of the sharing culture with music and software today.

On one hand, it's a tribute to the artist or developer that people want them that badly, but on the other, it is simply wrong to steal.

I was going to try to make a point about finding game carts in the trash, or having them given to you, but I realized it's about the copying and distribution.

I decided to pay for my apps when I got into handhelds.
Of course I was a bit older, and perhaps wiser?
It was a personal decision. It's just what I decided to do.

Everyone has to make a choice and live with the ups and downs of it I guess.


RE: Alllllllll right!
abosco @ 10/13/2003 6:44:43 PM #
Have you ever used any ROMs that you have not purchased? If you've done so (even if you prefer to not be "forced" to steal, you are still stealing. Ask your Mommy and Daddy and I hope they will tell you stealing is wrong.

We'll let's see.. I don't use NesEm, I don't use Liberty, and I don't use XCade. Oh, and the GameGear emulator? I never really was a fan of GameGear, and I tried a few games where the sound was stripped from it so it could run on the Clie, but I didn't like it and deleted it. Nope, looks like I haven't stolen any ROMs, keep looking for stuff to make you feel like you're better than me. :)

So now you say it's "unfortunate" that the GameGear emulator was hacked. Do you really feel bad that this happened? Have you ever used the hacked emulator?

I used the term "unfortunate" for a reason. It's because I think it's unfortunate. If I felt bad, I would've said I felt bad. Try to keep up. I know it's hard talking to someone who didn't get mesmerized by your clever signature and automatically assumed you were intellegent, but at least try.

And why do you blame the emulator developers (the victims of theft) for their "stupidity and ignorance". Are all victims of theft "stupid and ignorant" in your opinion?

I blame the emulator developers for their, get this, ignorance and stupidity in not protecting their software. I don't personally use that software, so thus I am not justifying anything. It looks like they did little to nothing to protect their software. It's quite easy to realize the serial code method doesn't work anymore, so it's about time companies wised up to it. Ardiri has an extensive guide to defending against patchers, and it's developers' faults for not taking advantage of them. My point was it's their fault all this happened, as their are ways to prevent it. I have no moral mishap to justify. And for Christ's sake, don't put words in my mouth. Don't try and slip in something that makes me look like I shoplift candy out of stores, or one of those script kiddies who hack web pages to tell the webmaster there's a hole there. No, not all victims of theft are stupid and ignorant. If that's what I meant, that's what I would have said. AGAIN, try to keep up. I know it's hard.

How much money the ROMs generate is irrelevant. If you are using this as an excuse to justify theft, you'll need to try harder.

Two points here: 1) It IS relevent, and 2) I'm not justifying anything because I have done nothing wrong.

Age and maturity are not necessarily synonymous. While resorting to juvenile insults in an effort to win an (already lost) argument is by no means a method exclusive to children...

As you have plainly displayed with your pathetic attempts to propel yourself above me. Three cheers for insecurity!

...hopefully you'll be able to raise the level of your commentary in the future. Remember: stay in school.

You're not exactly the ideal person to be telling me this, Mr. I-have-a-psychiatrist-friend-look-at-me.

And for the last damn time, I have no illegal ROMs.

Seems I let the air out of your tires pretty bad there, sorry. Alright, who else feels like patronizing me today? I'm up for it. Just remember to use small words or my small mind might get a little congested. ;)

-Bosco

RE: Alllllllll right!
helf @ 10/13/2003 7:13:06 PM #
Jeez, fugly is an idiot...

RE: Alllllllll right!
StudentDoc @ 10/13/2003 8:43:48 PM #
Way to go, Ardiri. I have loved your work in the past and look forward to this. And I am with Bosco about the the licensing: I like the fact that it is legally licensed and I don't have to go buy roms and copy the image (how many people really do this?) or look for illegal roms.

Please keep up the good work!

RE: Alllllllll right!
blue9 @ 10/14/2003 1:30:53 AM #
Can somebody muzzle this ugly truth guy up?! He's such a troll and is just pissing everybody off. Sheesh :-|

Gamepads

M3wThr33 @ 10/13/2003 1:23:34 PM #
I hope this, and all these other neato thingies(Technical terms) for the Zire71 will prompt developers to make some gamepads for it, a la the Clie snap-on device.

In theory, the Zire71's stick works, but in practice, it's too small and unmanagable.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.

Well, I'll buy it!

statik @ 10/13/2003 2:47:47 PM #
Well, I'll buy it. Then again, I grew up with Atari and love everything about it. Hey, I still have my 2600 system plugged into my TV.


I'm just wondering on what OS5 machines this will run. Zire 71, UX50? TT3?

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RE: Well, I'll buy it!
wendo @ 10/13/2003 4:19:24 PM #
I'll be buying this as well. Thanks to the developers. Yars Revenge was one of my favorite games in fact. I, too, still have my Atari 2600, though it still resides at my mothers house. (Need to get that thing! LOL!)

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RE: Well, I'll buy it!
hoplites @ 10/14/2003 12:22:06 AM #
Why would anybody want to pay for ATARI emulator? Isn't it suppose to be free?
RE: Well, I'll buy it!
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 1:25:05 AM #
> Why would anybody want to pay for ATARI emulator? Isn't it suppose to be free?

why would it be free?

if someone ported Stella to PalmOS - then, it would be free. but then you would have 'The Ugly Thruth' coming back and saying that your immoral/unethical because you are downloading illegal roms for playing. hmm.. which is better? him calling the developer immoral or the users?

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

Homebrew roms?

Toadman @ 10/13/2003 5:47:11 PM #
1)Thanks to Aaron for this toy!

2)One great thing about emulation is the possibility to (LEGALLY) download FREE "homebrew" roms and play with them. Some of them are great. There are also for the Atari VCS 2600, see here:
-http://www.atariage.com/company_page.html?CompanyID=92
(all the one marked with "H")
-http://www.ffd2.com/minigame/
-http://www.atariage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35026

Will we ever be able to add them to this emulator? Of course, if Aaron will make a tool to add them, ANY rom could be played...maybe Aaron could pack all of them (with authors permission) and give us this homebrew games collection for free...

RE: Homebrew roms?
gavinfabl @ 10/13/2003 6:18:37 PM #
I have just read all the comments .

My only comment - etiquette and professionalism seem to be missing.

If I was to buy these games, when they become available as a download for my 1GB SD card, and not on a MMC card, I am not sure as to whether I could trust the developer due to their lack of courtesy , irrespective of whether it was just etc..In fact I was a little surprised.

It might have been best to ignore comments.

And do I support developers - I have bought over 100 games.

Politeness goes a long way.

RE: Homebrew roms?
abosco @ 10/13/2003 7:10:37 PM #
My only comment - etiquette and professionalism seem to be missing.

In Ardiri's defense, I'd like to say that he's put up with a lot of annoying people constantly bothering him about what he has done in the past was immoral or illegal. Ardiri is a great developer, and IMO, all the better if he doesn't take crap from trolls and stands up for his opinion and software.

-Bosco

RE: Homebrew roms?
The Ugly Truth @ 10/14/2003 12:47:28 AM #
I have just read all the comments .

My only comment - etiquette and professionalism seem to be missing.

...I am not sure as to whether I could trust the developer due to their lack of courtesy , irrespective of whether it was just etc..In fact I was a little surprised.

You instincts may be correct. Decide for yourself:

http://www.palmstation.com/view_article.py?article=2845&flat_mode=1

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5619

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Homebrew roms?
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 12:59:35 AM #
first article:
> Mon Aug 28 17:14:40 2000

doesn't this start to grow old now? this was well over 3 years ago - and, we all know how it ended out. a threat that really isn't a threat, and the serious joke these days are the anti-virus companies who try to sell their products to unsuspecting pda users - who, dont know any better.

second article:
> Thursday, July 10, 2003

thanks for showing the technology that the Atari 2600 emulator is based on. this is why we can run on multiple platforms at the same time.

i know why you posted it, mainly because of your link for the 'bejewelled' type game - but, seriously, where is that game? has it been released? you only saw a screen shot here and there - we decided maybe it was better to do something real with our kit instead of doing some boring game like bejewelled.

an atari 2600 emulator surely does let people know that the SHARK development kit is capable of doing much more than simple puzzle games - and, is nothing like J2ME = slow.

i have personally put up with your crap over the last three years; and, i am probably not the only one who is starting to get a bit sick of seeing you post as soon as my name is mentioned. you have this radar, to specifically find 'ardiri' and then post your unrelated comments - i am just thankful most people see through your stupidity.

i am glad you are not going to be one of our customers. you definately have issues - which i would just prefer to say "here is your refund, go buy from our competitor(s)"; you are a classic case of signal/noise ratio - more on the noise side.

i am thankful of the support i get from everyone else - as, over the years we have definately introduced some fun/inventive applications/ideas into the pda community. without the support of our users - we wouldn't be doing stuff like this. your constant badgering doesn't really affect us, we should hire you as a PR guy - you just end up making us get more visitors and more support. makes me wonder who has the brains around here.

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Homebrew roms?
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 1:08:54 AM #
> If I was to buy these games, when they become available as a download
> for my 1GB SD card, and not on a MMC card

this will be an option for you - there are plans to do ESD based downloads of the software; without the MMC card. the MMC card is primarially focused for the retail market - you know, go to Best Buy and purchase it; a lot of people do that rather than buy over the internet.

MMC card sales are mainly convinience :)

> I am not sure as to whether I could trust the developer due to
> their lack of courtesy , irrespective of whether it was just etc

you can probably just ignore 'The Ugly Truth' - he doesn't even have the courtesy to come forward and let everyone know who he is publically. most trolls hide behind some form of ambigous name - its fortunate that most people realize this.

a lot has happened over the past 5 years i have been working with the PalmOS platform; its been an interesting journey - but, at the same time i have sat down and taken the responsibility to identify that existing on the internet these days is never a pretty picture. you'll always have your supporters and those who will just be constantly on the look out to cut you down. in addition, he doesn't seem to come down like this on any other developer - i'm honoured.. i have a groupie.

'welcome to the internet'

you can probably just do a search for 'The Ugly Truth' on this site - and, you'll see that he comes up at every opportunity he gets, many of the time with arguments that are not valid, or, well over 3 years old. surely, does one sit in the past? or, take the appropriate steps to move forward?

the classic 'item' of discussion is what happened in 2000 - the 'liberty' trojan discussion. it was something the press took way out of proportion (it even got cnn.com) - for what? a program that someone would run to crack a program illegally? it wasn't even a virus, it wasn't a serious threat. whoever made it look like a crack was a genious. now, its been 3 years since this event - and, what has happened? we have a few more 'variations' written most likely within anti-virus companies to convince pda users that they need protection against - what, a whole 3-4 threatning applications, all of which you cannot even find?

there are applications out there that are written so bad, they cause a hard reset = much worse than what this application did. virus scanning isn't the solution - but, catching programs that are programmed badly is what these companies should be focusing their efforts on.

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Homebrew roms?
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 1:27:07 AM #
> Will we ever be able to add them to this emulator? Of course, if Aaron
> will make a tool to add them, ANY rom could be played...
> maybe Aaron could pack all of them (with authors permission) and
> give us this homebrew games collection for free...

i need to check out the agreements we have in place.

however, the notion of doing a collection of homebrew games is possible - albeit it would still have to have the same DRM which the atari items have to prevent people from replacing roms illegally. your comments are noted; and, we'll dig into the idea a bit further - i wish pitfall was in the collection; its a great game.


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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

Oh, my!
The Ugly Truth @ 10/14/2003 1:31:42 AM #
the 'bejewelled' type game - but, seriously, where is that game? has it been released? you only saw a screen shot here and there - we decided maybe it was better to do something real with our kit instead of doing some boring game like bejewelled.

Or did Astraware threaten to sue you for copying their "boring game"? The "boring game" that is probably the most popular game ever released for the Palm OS. The game you boasted here that you had cloned and were going to give away for free.

Mr. Ardiri, I would suggest you ignore posts here from now on. Every time you attempt to respond to the presented facts, you expose your true self. We see The Ugly Truth.


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Homebrew roms?
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 1:44:26 AM #
> Or did Astraware threaten to sue you for copying their "boring game"?

no. why would they sue us?

we haven't released the oceana game mainly because we have far too busy working on everything else. now.. freeware bejewelled clone, or commercial Atari 2600 emulator.. hmm.. hard choice.

maybe you should double check before you post? there are many bejewelled clones out there btw - as i have mentioned on previous posts on PIC. give it up.

we will still release oceana - it will be a great educational tool, available for users who download our development kit. we dont have to make it public for every user to get access to. its simple game that took two or three days to code up - and, how better to show developers how to use our kit with a real game?

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Homebrew roms?
abosco @ 10/14/2003 1:46:19 AM #
We see The Ugly Truth

I see the ugly truth. He's a moron. And I'm not talking about Ardiri.

It looks like you simply have a grudge with Aaron and never got attention for it back then when you whined.. maybe he didn't directly respond to your question, maybe your mother hugged you too much, or not enough, picked last in kickball, sat alone at lunch - beats me. Email him, settle your long-existing problem, and stop harassing him and his awesome new projects on well-respected forums and news sites.

We see the ugly truth, alright. I see a developer that doesn't want to be a stiff, and a moron seeking attention. Hey, have your psychologist friend analyze your posts and see if you really do have a problem! ;)

-Bosco

RE: Homebrew roms?
The Ugly Truth @ 10/14/2003 2:08:23 AM #
we will still release oceana - it will be a great educational tool

Interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it common practice for warez sites to qualify their files/cracks with the disclaimer that says the programs are there only for "educational" purposes? Eerie similarity in the wording. Freudian slip, perhaps?

Mr. Ardiri, I believe all reading here can decide for themselves who to believe, so I will leave it at that. I truly hope that some day you understand why so many people are uncomfortable with your past and present actions. Good luck with your future (legal) endeavors.

M.J.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Homebrew roms?
aaronchow @ 10/14/2003 3:50:10 AM #
Just be gone, no one likes you here, Ugly Truth.
RE: Homebrew roms?
Strider_mt2k @ 10/14/2003 6:40:04 AM #
The point is being somewhat pushed aside by the opportunties being taken for personal attacks.

Stick to the point contenders, you're losing cred.

RE: Homebrew roms?
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 7:06:54 AM #
Michael Jones (how about an address, phone number?),

how can releasing oceana be considered as warez? its a game written from scratch, without using code/graphic resources from the game you seem to strongly believe we are 'pirating'. you seem to be mixing your own messages here - at what point does cloning become illegal? and, who said it was a clone? it will be a tile swapping game - there are many of those available on the palm platform (even, some more closer to Bejewelled than ours would be).

even if we released it, there is nothing illegal about it. lucky for you, it just isn't high up on our list right now; we have money making projects in the works - and, they get higher priority. developers using SHARK have the oceana source code - it does show how to do sprites/partial screen updates. very educational - complete with source code. it MUST be illegal - so, even though it is 100% our code, i am confused.

i guarentee our techniques are not at all like the software you think we are 'stealing'. and, can you put a copyright on programming techniques? - if so, we all would be in trouble. the software you claim we are stealing runs very slow on a 33Mhz with a 320x320 display - while oceana doesn't. maybe they could learn something from our source code as well; but, thats another story all together.

next flame please - time to move on.

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Homebrew roms?
The Ugly Truth @ 10/14/2003 10:40:15 AM #
The point is being somewhat pushed aside by the opportunties being taken for personal attacks.

Stick to the point contenders, you're losing cred.


I believe certain individuals have long since shown they have no credibility. Their words illustrate this point clearer than anything I could ever say. I'm glad this thread has not been censored - it will give everyone the opportunity to see how certain individuals think and better decide if they really want to be associated with them.



Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

"Brave" personal attacks
The Ugly Truth @ 10/14/2003 10:46:12 AM #
Michael Jones (how about an address, phone number?)


I don't think so. As you can see from the tone of the posts here, the Internet is filled with a lot of "brave" little children who are willing to make cowardly attacks from the security of their home computers. Or more correctly, their parents' home computers. I choose to keep my personal space personal.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Homebrew roms?
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 10:48:37 AM #
> I believe certain individuals have long since shown they have no credibility.

take a look at the URL in my signature. now, there is a little logo there that proves 100% that i am credible. if you dont believe me, how about reading up on the topic here:

PalmSource Developer Certification
http://www.palmos.com/dev/certification/

now, who is the public going to believe? a crazy nut with a problem who constantly makes personal attacks, or, a developer with considerable experience - who consistently brings applications to the platform; for their pleasure?

while you push the morality aspect of your arguments, have you sat back to consider that *everyone* in the handheld market started off, most likely doing clones or 'immoral' things (in your view). sure, we have done some emulators which could be used in 'a bad way', but, then we have this product, a product which is officially licensed; and, the appropriate license holders get benefits from the deal as well..

or.. are you just upset that developers can actually make some money for their efforts? i surely hope ryan doesn't filter this thread - as, once again.. you make personal attacks, and we defend them. as much as we continue to feed the trolls, an innocent by stander must surely think that "The Ugly Truth" posts are just getting out of hand and should just be pointed to /dev/null.

> I choose to keep my personal space personal.

awww.. wonder why?

you know, you can publically get my contact information freely on our website, so, if your in the area - come on by and join me for a beer!

http://www.mobilewizardry.com/contact.php

or, just do a WHOIS on any of my domain names and you'll get all the information you need. i regularly go out and have beers with regular palm users; even to the point where i will go and attend palm user group meetings (palmclub.nl <-- here i come!)

Sometimes the *reality* just isn't pretty™

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Homebrew roms?
helf @ 10/14/2003 10:55:38 AM #
Ugly, there are a TON of tile swapping games for palm!! A few even came out BEFORE bejeweled iirc. If you would lay off the crack for a few minutes, you would notice this. So STOP obsessing over aaron! >:(

Le dernier mot? Non
The Ugly Truth @ 10/15/2003 12:07:54 AM #
take a look at the URL in my signature. now, there is a little logo there that proves 100% that i am credible.

Unfortunately, it appears you don't know the meaning of the word, "credible". It has nothing to do with "little logo(s)".

now, who is the public going to believe? a crazy nut with a problem who constantly makes personal attacks, or, a developer with considerable experience - who consistently brings applications to the platform; for their pleasure?

Do you ever take the time to actually think before you say anything? Perhaps you should run things by your partner, Maven before you shove your foot even further down your mouth.

Please refrain from name calling, if it's at all possible for you. Resorting to this juvenile tactic merely illustrates that you lack the means to back up your assertions.

while you push the morality aspect of your arguments, have you sat back to consider that *everyone* in the handheld market started off, most likely doing clones or 'immoral' things (in your view). sure, we have done some emulators which could be used in 'a bad way', but, then we have this product, a product which is officially licensed;

So if other have done it, then it must be ok. Is that your latest rationalization? Fascinating. Does this mean you won't release any more emulators that can be "used in a bad way"? Will any future versions of Liberty prevent the use of stolen ROMs? Didn't think so. Are you familiar with the English word, hypocrisy? Look it up.


I choose to keep my personal space personal.

awww.. wonder why?

Because the Internet is filled with immature individuals that lack the intelligence to put forth their thoughts without resorting to empty threats and name calling.

you know, you can publically get my contact information freely on our website

Good for you. I hope some day you don't regret that decision. The world is filled with people that would not think twice about harming you. Providing them with easy access may be ill advised. Of course since you don't live in the USA, perhaps you feel you're safe.

i regularly go out and have beers with regular palm users; even to the point where i will go and attend palm user group meetings

Wow. You actually mingle with commoners? Just make sure you shower immediately if one of them should ever get close enough to touch you.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

ivo_jager @ 10/15/2003 5:42:10 AM #
Someone PLEASE pass me the trollspray...

Ivo Jager
D3D/MT3D lead developer
www.mobilewizardry.com
RE: Homebrew roms?
helf @ 10/16/2003 12:47:43 AM #
AAAAARRGH!! My eyes can't take this much stupidity.

Palm Powered Emulators

ardiri @ 10/14/2003 1:49:26 AM #
for those interested, this could be a good read:

http://www.palmsource.com/interests/emulators/

it goes over issues such as legalities and covers a bunch of emulators available on Palm powered devices. it will be updated to include the Atari 2600 emulator soon

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

OFF-TOPIC
aaronchow @ 10/14/2003 3:52:44 AM #
Will there be a chance that these titles will be released on Sony's MemoryStick media?

"I doubt, therefore I might be."
RE: Palm Powered Emulators
ardiri @ 10/14/2003 7:17:17 AM #
> Will there be a chance that these titles will be released on Sony's MemoryStick media?

technically, it is possible.
realistically, there probably isn't a market for this.

there will be an ESD version of the software available for purchase that you will be able to install to a memory stick. the MMC/SD form factor is more of an industry standard, and, hence - works well with this product. using memory stick only narrows the market to OS5 Sony devices only. the current product can run on multiple different platforms (Palm, Pocket PC and Symbian).

its possible - but, i dont see it happening.
(we are not in control of shipping the product)

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Aaron Ardiri
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

Comments

Admin @ 10/14/2003 1:14:33 PM #
Folks, lets take a deep breath and relax, and cut Aaron some slack. I don't usually make personal appeals like this but it's disappointing to see him constantly bombarded with excessive criticism every time his name comes up on PIC.

Looking beyond your personal opinions about him, he does a great job coming up with exciting titles and applications for the Palm OS platform, and isn 't that what we are all here to learn and talk about?

RE: Comments
helf @ 10/14/2003 3:06:43 PM #
THANK YOU! :)

Aaron is a great developer that does not deserve to be critisized so much.

Ryan.. can you ban ugly? :P

RE: Comments
Quik_Fix @ 10/14/2003 3:15:05 PM #
To The Ugly Truth:

I don't doubt the validity of your comments. I will not jab your for having your opinion or for hating adiri. However, any point, no matter how good, cannot be utilized to the extent of its intended purpose, if it cannot be carried to the receiver. Your original posts had truth to them, but your truth is is diluted by your anger.

Morality is a sign post, not a leash.

Now I'm going to put on my wooden shoes and sit lotus on a hill somewhere....

RE: Comments
maven @ 10/14/2003 6:15:34 PM #
Not reason/point to ban anyone. Its easy to create a new user name and return.

http://www.gambitstudios.com/trolls.jpg

Best advice I ever saw on the subject :)

-Maven

RE: Comments
The Ugly Truth @ 10/15/2003 12:40:38 AM #
cut Aaron some slack.

I believe people have been giving him the benefit of the doubt for the past five years. The fact that Mr. Ardiri is a talented programmer does not give him carte blanche to do as he pleases. His responses here accurately illustrate the type of individual he is. It would be a disservice to the Palm community to gloss over/rationalize/excuse the things he does. Can anyone here name a single other programmer that has acted in the manner of Mr. Ardiri? I don't think so. Do you see the likes of Bozidar Benc or C. E. S. Dewar publically insulting individuals or beating their chests in vain, trying to show the world that they are the biggest, baddest Donkie Kung© in all the land? You don't. Mr. Ardiri has shown repeatedly exactly how he feels about the rights of others if those rights come between him and making a quick buck.

Looking beyond your personal opinions about him, he does a great job coming up with exciting titles and applications for the Palm OS platform, and isn 't that what we are all here to learn and talk about?

I have nothing personal against Aaron Ardiri. But I do think it's important that the issues I've raised be discussed and kept in mind by all Palm users. The childishly transparent attempts at rationalizing immoral actions that have been posted here over the past two days are disappointing to see. Especially coming from one individual that has been entrusted with the management of a development tool for the Palm platform. These are the kind of issues that should be discussed here at PIC. Issues that are arguably more important than whether or not the latest CLIE will have a flip cover...

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Comments
ardiri @ 10/15/2003 5:31:31 AM #
> I have nothing personal against Aaron Ardiri.
> But I do think it's important that the issues I've raised
> be discussed and kept in mind by all Palm users.

you know what? no-one is winning here, so, why bother.

you have mentioned a million times all your issues - and, there is no need to constantly and repeatedly bring this junk discussion back into the open every time my name is written somewhere..

doing so is classified as being a troll - and, i am glad that a lot of people do see you as a troll. is users want to know more about what happened 3 years ago.. WWW.GOOGLE.COM - they can find it themselves. they can also find discussions all over the internet over these issues - your posts are 100% offtopic within this article.

in my eyes, your an idiot. what other people think of you and me is their own opinion. i have no problem openly telling you that your an idiot, because that is what you are. other developers dont voice their opinions so much - i do. live with it.

this will be my last reply to your stupid games. in future it might be great if the minute your posts come up, they get automatically filtered/removed. we need a /. grading system.. all your posts would be -1000.

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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Comments
The Ugly Truth @ 10/15/2003 10:40:51 AM #
you know what? no-one is winning here, so, why bother.

i have no problem openly telling you that your an idiot, because that is what you are.

Thank you for again reinforcing what I have said. It's nice to see your partners, Maven and Mr. Jager attempting to do damage control by rushing to your defense. No doubt, by now they have advised you to stop your offensive ranting in public, as your posts have served to only further tarnish your company. Since you are still unable to make a cogent defense of your actions, you and your friends have now resorted to the "troll" accusations. If telling the truth is trolling in your eyes, so be it.

I hope you understand that I bear you no ill will. It is your actions that are inexcusable and I find it inappropriate that someone showing the traits you display should be entrusted with the care of core Palm development tools.


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Comments
ardiri @ 10/15/2003 11:05:53 AM #
/dev/null

PS:
the tools i am involved in, namely PilRC is used by nearly every development out there (including CodeWarrior R9, prc-tools + others). so, i would bet that 90%+ of developers use that tool - if you dont want to use any programs that have potentially my code behind them, you should move to another platform.


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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Comments
ardiri @ 10/15/2003 11:11:06 AM #
> Since you are still unable to make a cogent defense of your actions

ok, lets do this.

- you go register some bogus hotmail account
- send me an email with all the actions which makes me such a bad/evil person
- i will take that email, individually respond to every action you identify
- then post it on my website for everyone to see for themselves your issues, and our defense of such issues.

my email address is aaron.ardiri@mobilewizardry.com

i, of all people have seen your allegations for the past 2-3 years and i would love to have a summary of your arguments so i never have to see your name again on this forum. lets let the community decide everything - and, then we can put an end to this constant waste of bandwidth.

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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Comments
abosco @ 10/15/2003 3:19:11 PM #
>>If telling the truth is trolling in your eyes, so be it.

'Telling the truth' IN EACH AND EVERY SINGLE STORY THAT MENTIONS ARDIRI is trolling. Are you dense? Do you understand? Is it clicking into place yet?

Here's the thing. You're upset because of this (incredibly ancient - you're pulling up articles well over three years old) entire virus for Palm OS on Liberty, while you should actually be THANKING Ardiri for this. Here's why:

1) This discouraged many people from looking for patched versions of programs and instead to actually buy their software for fear of the effects of this type of trojan. Since you are such a moral person, *ahem*, you should be glad that happened.

2) The ONLY possible ill-effect on Palm OS handhelds was that there was the potential for OTHER viruses to popup for Palm OS, something that to this day still has yet to happen. Oh, and the people affected had to do a hotsync. It reformatted a whole 8 MB. Ohhhh the pain.

3) After reading Ardiri's guide to protecting your software, you can surely assert he knows exactly what he's talking about when it comes to patching and warez, and how to defend against them. Discouraging them through this one-time use trojan was actually an effective way to stave warez. By going 'underground' as he called it, he effectively has created a guide that developers have met success with in making their programs warez-proof.

Go ahead, look at all the complaints against him in those ancient articles. Besides the bitching and moaning everybody is doing because they wanted to act smart and go along with the crowd, their only defense was this would open the gates to other virii. As previously mentioned, this sure as hell is not the case today. What's the problem? You're just pissed because he didn't sit back and take it like a little girl and allow you to look like you've got anything else but a dim bulb. He stood up to your bull**** and the rest of us agree: you're not bright.

I hope this can settle a pointless, ongoing, relentless, and boring dispute between good and wanna-be-good. If you want to continue and show everybody how 'immoral' Ardiri is, why not take him up on his offer and give him a list of all your grievances against him, both new and old? I think that's a great idea and would be an interesting read. Or are you afraid you're going to be, once again, proven an indolent?

-Bosco

RE: Comments - the final word.
The Ugly Truth @ 10/16/2003 12:14:45 AM #
PS:
the tools i am involved in, namely PilRC is used by nearly every development out there (including CodeWarrior R9, prc-tools + others). so, i would bet that 90%+ of developers use that tool - if you dont want to use any programs that have potentially my code behind them, you should move to another platform.


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Aaron Ardiri


That's precisely the degree of humility we've all come to expect from you.


- send me an email with all the actions which makes me such a bad/evil person
- i will take that email, individually respond to every action you identify
- then post it on my website for everyone to see for themselves your issues, and our defense of such issues.

Here's a better idea. Print the posts from this PIC article and the one I posted to in July, 2003. Read them to yourself. (Mouth the words, if necessary.)

Write down each point I brought up and beside it write the response you made.

Ask someone to help you formulate new responses to those points and then post that on your website. Take your time, because I think you'll have difficulty coming up with responses that are any less flimsy than the ones you've already made. Pay special attention to the parts asking about whether or not you will continue to sell software (the Liberty emulator) that encourages individuals to steal the property of others. Yes, we all know it's not you stealing the software - it's all those really bad criminals that are buying your extremely legal emulator, isn't it... The emulator that you're providing as a public service, for the Good of Mankind.

You, Maven and company need to sit down and ask yourselves some serious questions about what direction you want your business to go. If you're trying to reinvent yourselves as a legitimate, responsible, professional company that offers solutions to real (grown up) corporations, you need to put this type of nonsense behind you and move on. On the other hand, if you still wish to engage in the bad boy, warez-encouraging, nudge-nudge, wink-wink recklessness, please don't try to pretend that adults should have the slightest respect for your activities. Software that is "more legal" isn't good enough. It's one way or the other. The sooner you decide which route you will be taking, the better. But in the meantime, please spare us the indignant charade.


i, of all people have seen your allegations for the past 2-3 years

First of all, I don't make allegations. I have simply recounted facts that can easily be confirmed by independent sources. Secondly, I never made any of those posts three years ago on PalmStation. I did post here in July and again this month. It's a shame your responses in the original July thread were deleted. I wish this site had a way to retrieve them so that people could see the real Aaron Ardiri in action. I was actually shocked to see that a person entrusted to deal with a Palm development tool could be so unprofessional. You make the Palm platform seem bush league when you act the way you do. Please try to think of someone besides yourself when you write publically in the future.

I realize you have an overwhelming need to get the last word in any conversation, but I consider this conversation with you as being over. Instead of making another puerile post here after me, I hope you will instead act on what I've said and discuss things with your partners.

Goodbye, Mr. Ardiri.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Comments
helf @ 10/16/2003 8:25:25 AM #
'Goodbye, Mr. Ardiri.'

Does that mean you are going to finally shut the fsck up? PLEEEASE say yes.

Great news, but

Kaitou @ 10/14/2003 11:34:36 PM #
It is wonderful to see more and more emulators coming out for the PalmOS. My only problem with it is that only certain locked roms will be released. I have an Atari 2600, still in one, working, piece, and a boxfull (~50) of games. If I could use my own games, legally, that I already paid for, it would be great. If not, well then I can wait for the much anticipated Liberty ;) I paid for the previous version, and hope the upgrade won't be too costly... NES, and GBC are two systems I always wanted on my handheld, and with NESem out, only Liberty is needed.
Any chance of an ETA on it, Aaron?

And taking roms you don't own, etc is Copyright Infringment, not theft. These are legal terms, that have different meanings. I was around for the liberty fiasco, and I still don't see why some moron has to go out and erect soapboxes whenever Mr Ardiri puts out a new way to improve the PalmOS experience. Things happen, and mistakes get made. People change, and ones contributions to the market as a whole can certanly outweigh a few problems, years back.

RE: Great news, but
ardiri @ 10/15/2003 5:26:41 AM #
> Any chance of an ETA on it, Aaron?

Liberty was GameBoy emulation - we are currently digesting plans on how we will move forward with introducing our emulation environments to OS5. we did provide an update so it would at least run, but it is far from being native.

we are discussion possibilities with MorphGear, (www.morphgear.com) who have a suite of emulators available for Pocket PC - to provide the Palm OS variants. we are still in discussions however, depending on timing/desire - these projects will be turned into a reality.

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Aaron Ardiri
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aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

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