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Sonys latest Clie handheld combines todays leading PDA features in a very small portable PDA with a well to do thumboard. It is an innovative handheld that packs in dual wireless, a large thumboard, camera, and a high resolution widescreen display. Read on for the in-depth PalmInfocenter review.
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Counselor Dave @ 10/26/2003 11:02:06 PM #
First post.

Great information. I was unaware of the lack of portrait support when the screen was rotated. I will continue to hold out for the ultimate Palm...

Off topic

Massman82 @ 10/26/2003 11:53:37 PM #
I'm assuming that's a picture from a playoff game. Which one? :)

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RE: Off topic
Admin @ 10/27/2003 1:14:47 AM #
it was from one of the last phillies games at vetrans stadium in philadelphia

Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.

The Ugly Truth @ 10/27/2003 12:26:16 AM #
Let's see: Sony has basically shrunk a laptop into a tiny, solidly-constructed PDA almost as small as a T³ + almost as light as a IIIxe, includes 480 x 320 screen, 802.11b, Bluetoothless, metal case, large keyboard, camera, expandable battery power, and it only rates a 4/5 in design? Wow. That's a bit harsh.

I think the UX-50 is the most significant new PDA design (next to the Treo 600) since the original Pilot series and is the most functional new design since the TRGPro. By your scale, I'll bet a lot of PDAs released over the past two years probably rated a 1/5 or 2/5 in design. How did you score the m505? 0? How about the m130? T|C? T|W?

Pair the UX-50 with Sony Ericsson's slick little T610/T616 cell phone ($50 from AT&T with a 1 year contract) and you have the ultimate combo for power users. If AT&T can't deliver the goods with the GSM version of the Treo 600 soon, I think I'll be getting one of the new CLIEs - despite my reservations about the pricing and the pathetic amount of RAM they come with. (Sony should be ashamed they shipped these models with anything less than 64 MB of user-accessible RAM...)



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RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
Admin @ 10/27/2003 1:09:14 AM #
my design ratings defense...
the internal memory system is too fragmented,
lack of certain standard hardware buttons,
the screen is smallish & status LED's are unnecessary,
and the keyboard/navigation software leaves something to be desired.

yes, it is a great new innovative handheld, but it is not perfect.

RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
The Ugly Truth @ 10/27/2003 1:16:48 AM #
my design ratings defense...
the internal memory system is too fragmented,
lack of certain standard hardware buttons,
the screen is smallish & status LED's are unnecessary,
and the keyboard/navigation software leaves something to be desired.

yes, it is a great new innovative handheld, but it is not perfect.

I agree that the supplied memory is a very bad joke (16 MB RAM is what I would now expect on a $99 entry level PDA - not a $700 flagship model) and the LEDs are a bit too "bling-bling" for my tastes, but let's be honest. This is a hugely innovative design that's taken stand alone PDAs to the next level. Nicer + bigger screen, CompactFlash slot, better camera, better keyboard, Treo 600-style navigation buttons, etc. will all make good refinements to the basic design, but that still doesn't detract from the fact that Sony packed an amazing amount of technology into the UX series. This is essentially a laptop that you can put in your back pocket and it weighs 6 ounces. Six ounces.



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RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
arielb @ 10/27/2003 5:08:52 AM #
i'd give 3/5 just for the ram isue. We have PDA's with 128 megs these days. If you want to see real technology then see the zaurus
http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus7xx/index.shtml

RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
jamesgood72 @ 10/27/2003 7:44:43 AM #
Again, I think people are missing out on the memory thing... I think it's very difficult to get 16MB of programs that you actually use (if you're test downloading everything that goes up on Palmgear, that's different). The 16MB RAM is like the C drive on my PC; the 1GB memory stick I have is like my D drive... Plenty of room for pictures, movies and MP3's. Plus I can easily move programs in there, if I don't mind them being unavailable when the stick is not there. What's the big deal with everything having to be one contiguous block?

The biggest gripe I have with the UX is the battery life, as Ryan pointed out. Oh, if I'm going to have a camera on there, I'd like a 1MP at least. But that's about it. I don't even feel the need for portrait after using it for a month now.

-James.

RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
Edward Green @ 10/27/2003 8:16:40 AM #
I have 16Mb filled up on my Treo in basic applications. You need a few extra MB to load images and software off a VFS card.

I think the UX50 is cutting it a little fine, even though I think that a 29Mb Ram Disk is great.

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RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
mikecane @ 10/27/2003 9:40:05 AM #
>>>I think the UX-50 is the most significant new PDA design (next to the Treo 600) since the original Pilot series and is the most functional new design since the TRGPro.

LMAO. So TUT has apparently never seen the design that Sony was, er, inspired by. The clamshell Zaurus.

And, damn, that can do landscape *and* portrait.

Oh, and the screen is VGA too.

RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
The Ugly Truth @ 10/27/2003 1:30:14 PM #
i'd give 3/5 just for the ram isue. We have PDA's with 128 megs these days. If you want to see real technology then see the zaurus

The Zaurus SL-C760's 64 MB RAM, 128 MB FlashRAM and CompactFlash slots are features that I would like to see added to the UX-50. The Zaurus' added bulk (it weighs 9 ounces and is almost an inch longer than the UX-50) is a feature that I wouldn't want to see added to the UX-50. For me, PDA size matters, and smaller is always better. I would be a lot less likely to lug a Zaurus around than carry a UX series or T|T series Palm. Others may feel differently, but there's a reason why small cell phones and small, elegant PDAs like the Palm Vx have sold so well historically. Finally, the Zaurus doesn't run PalmOS. I believe Linux has quite a way to go to become a serious contender in PDAs, just like it's also not quite yet ready for prime time in the desktop world.

Nice try though, and shows what Sony can do with a bit more fine tuning. The UX series is so close to being the perfect PDA - I doubt Sony will make any more mistakes on the second generation UXs.


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RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
The Ugly Truth @ 10/27/2003 1:52:14 PM #
Again, I think people are missing out on the memory thing... I think it's very difficult to get 16MB of programs that you actually use... What's the big deal with everything having to be one contiguous block?

Actually, depending on what your work entails, it can be very easy to fill up 16 MB RAM. Some programs cause conflicts - or run slowly or don't run at all - if they aren't in RAM. Given how cheap memory is, it's inexcusable to expect someone that's paying $700 to even think about whether or not they'll be hitting the RAM ceiling with their main apps. Given the relatively small size of Palm apps, I don't think many people would complain if 128 MB of RAM was standard. Giving users this option would have shown Sony understood the needs of the demographic buying the UX series.

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RE: Design = only 4/5? Surely you're joking.
kidA @ 10/27/2003 4:01:57 PM #
having used the device pretty extensively, i would give it a 2/5 for design. sure it's got a lot of stuff in a small package, but ergonomically i find it to be a nightmare to use, the controls are lousy.

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Possibly overly positive review

pgovotsos @ 10/27/2003 12:56:16 AM #
My opinion only here!

I think this review is a little too positive and glosses over the less than positive features of the UX50. Is this an innovative device? Yes. Does it look cool? Yes. But there are many "buts" to the UX50.

I worked with a UX50 for 3 hours at Circuit City (living in the country has some perks) and ran across several things that completely removed the UX50 from consideration. That's disappointing because I came to the UX50 with a great deal of enthusiasm. I fully expoected to walk out of the store with one.

The problem areas for me are:

The screen - landscape only and the small size of the screen makes text very difficult to read if you have eyes less than perfect. Also, it seems that Sony's thin font has gotten even thinner.

The buttons - I think this is more inconvenient than Ryan describes. I rarely use my Clie for games although when I do, the UX50s setup is horrible. I do use many productivity apps and need every button available for assignment. That's the other thing, the button assignment doesn't let you assign every button.

The Jog dial - the placement of it is horrible. I mostly use the dial when I am reading. Trying to hold the UX50 with your left hand only in landscape mode makes it very difficuly to use the jog dial without losing the handheld. It wouldn't be so bad if portrait mode were available, but as it is, the dial is bad.

The charging/syncing setup - Just bad, bad, bad. Did Sony engineers have their heads in a moist, dark place when they designed this? Sync with a cable & port combination that is going to get a lot of stress and wear. Charging with a clunky sled that does nothing else but take up space. Want to charge on the road? Too bad, you MUST carry the cradle and attached wall wart. To top it off, the cord is shorter that some of Sony's others.

The keyboard - it is so ALMOST right. The wacky placement of some keys and the uselesness of the arrow keys (even in some pre-installed apps where arrow control makes sense, it isn't there). The keyboard is so close and so much better than the NR/NX keyboard, but they still stumbled.

The camera - it's nice, but if I'm going to spend this much, higher resolution would be much better

With my experience with the UX50, I would rate it:
Design - 3 (too many bad decisions)
Features - 4
Screen - 3 (the highres/small size is just too difficult to read)
Battery - ? (ran on AC at store)
Value - 3 ($700 for so many compromises? No way)

I think if Sony put a little more skull sweat into this design, they could come up with a killer second generation device. As it is, the UX50 is not for me. Good review, different opinion.

Panagiotis

RE: Possibly overly positive review
Tunzi @ 10/27/2003 2:08:42 AM #
I agree 100% with what you say. I too, spent a great deal of time with this machine at the store. This hasn't been mentioned yet and it's probably no big deal to most but it annoyed the heck out of me, when one scrolls through the applications, the sceen shows this like a slot machine. Everything is curved. (It's visible in one of the photos above.) The cradle is, like you said, bad, bad, bad. I could never get the hand of it, it doesn't go in smooth.
$699 + 8% tax= $754! Without extended War.

RE: Possibly overly positive review
pgovotsos @ 10/27/2003 3:10:23 AM #
That slot machine effect is Sony's 3D launcher. The original PalmOS launcher is still available. You just have to enable it from the top menu strip.

Panagiotis

RE: Possibly overly positive review
golalmo @ 10/27/2003 4:22:36 AM #
Comeon guys, think of what you're saying.
If gaming is what you want, go for the zodiac. Want portrait screen, go for NX/TT3.
This product is for a specific users, who need their palm wirelessly.
Small screen = less power.
Keyboard is the BEST PPC/palm integrated keyboard up to date.
And where the hack they should put a CF slot without getting the device twice the size (CF is the bulkyest flash module exist).
And sure that WiFi, MP3 and full brightness are battery drainer - thats what the extended battery is for.
This device is just great on what it does, and not ment to be something else.
I found it the most usefull palm/clie I ever had.
Today, when the UX50 is with me, I can leave my MP3 player, digital camera, laptop and DiskOnKey at home, in most cases.

RE: Possibly overly positive review
jamesgood72 @ 10/27/2003 7:50:09 AM #
You can't judge a machine after a couple of hours at the store... I'm just getting to grips with mine after a month.

-James.

RE: Possibly overly positive review
mikecane @ 10/27/2003 9:43:01 AM #
>>>Did Sony engineers have their heads in a moist, dark place when they designed this?

Line Of The Day!

RE: Possibly overly positive review
Admin @ 10/27/2003 9:52:37 AM #
...opinion yes and you do make some good points, however you spent 3 hours w/ the device in the store, I spent 3 weeks with it, using it often. I try to be as fair as I can, If I like or dislike a device, it will show in the review.
RE: Possibly overly positive review
Scott R @ 10/27/2003 10:07:23 AM #
I only played with one for a few minutes in the store, so take it for what it's worth. Here are my gripes:
1) Physical screen size is too small.
2) Difficult to type by feel due to the fact that the keys are flush, so I had to look at the keyboard as I typed.
3) Requires a stylus or fingernail for too much. I realize that there's a 3rd party app that can address this to some degree, but it's no replacement for a well positioned, well integrated D-Pad. I look forward to PalmSource integrating Handspring's recent work in this area to the core Palm OS.

I'm the target market for this device, because I want something with a thumbboard, integrated camera, and integrated Bluetooth (Wi-Fi is nice, but not as important for me). But it lacks zen. It feels too hobbled together. Again, my main criticism is the lack of a D-Pad that's well integrated into the OS. Somebody please rip off Danger's thumbboard, D-Pad, and scroll wheel layout and stick it on a device like this. Then you'll have a winner.

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RE: Possibly overly positive review
ganoe @ 10/27/2003 12:05:09 PM #
I have to concur as well. The screen on this device is very poor in comparison to pretty much every other device released in the same time frame. Certainly not worthy of more than a 3 and probably a 2.
RE: Possibly overly positive review
palmsolo @ 10/27/2003 3:14:49 PM #
I played with the device for a short while and was unimpressed. I then received it as a trade-in for my broken NX70 and after using it for a couple weeks I completely agree with Ryan's review. The UX50 is The way to go if you are looking for a complete wireless solution (if you have a BT phone). The screen may be small, but it is bright and the resolution blows away any Palm or Pocket PC device. Just look at images in the NetFront browser and compare.

You can find it online for $600 or less and if you compare it to most any other PDA and add a camera (even if low res), a thumb keyboard, and a WiFi or Bluetooth card then you will be at about the same price, but in a significantly larger package. I actually considered trying to get a Tablet PC or larger Handheld PC, but the UX50 does it all (granted on a smaller display) and is rock solid.

Check out http://www.palmsolo.com for the ramblings of a PDA addict.

RE: Possibly overly positive review
radleyp @ 10/27/2003 4:44:09 PM #
Sony users like me have been clamoring for a vg non-clamshell model. This is what we get, yet another clamshell with a thumbboard. The one thing it has is wireless. Thumb keyboards are, to me, variations on a bad theme: as a touch typist, I dislike them because they continue to use a qwerty keyboard which was designed for five, not two, fingers. In every other respect this machine is a bust: the screen is really tiny (and its resolution is in fact not at all as good as the T3, while its color rendition is worse), the jog dial has been made unusable because of the direction in which it must be turned, that it gives only landscape is a joke (the T3 allows quick switching between portrait and landscape), and compared to the T3 its improvements in the basic software are negligible. The ergonomics are quite simply a horror. radleyp

RE: Possibly overly positive review
kpr @ 10/28/2003 1:00:43 AM #
Here is what the Gadgeteer had to say:

"so many things about this particular PDA feel incomplete, including its own built-in software, that I can't help but think that Sony was in a race to see who could market and sell the first landscape PDA. Guess what? They won! But at what cost for us as consumers? This is not an inexpensive unit, and in some ways it feels very much like a beta version - even though it is a very cool beta version."

Read more at http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/sony-ux50-pda-review.html

RE: Possibly overly positive review
Calroth @ 10/28/2003 7:17:52 AM #
"I dislike them because they continue to use a qwerty keyboard which was designed for five, not two, fingers..."

As far as I can recall, the QWERTY keyboard was designed for two fingers, because the layout was invented before people figured out how to touch-type.

RE: Possibly overly positive review
radleyp @ 10/28/2003 12:10:17 PM #
No, it was in fact invented for five fingers, but with a funny hitch: the typists of the day were going too fast for typewriters then available, so various touches were introduced to slow them down, such as not placing the most frequent letters under the most agile fingers, i.e. the second index finger. The later Dvorak keyboard is the champion hi-speed keyboard, which places the most frequently used letter in English, the "e", under the index finger, etc... To my knowledge, no one has yet invented a real two-thumb keyboard. There is a program called Fitaly which attempted such a thing on a virtual level - many people love it. Now, if only they could adapt that to a real keyboard... radleyp

RE: Possibly overly positive review
ganoe @ 10/28/2003 4:55:46 PM #
QWERTY was designed to minimize jamming of the typewriter arms that strike the paper. Both QWERTY and Dvorak were designed with two handed input in mind. Fitaly is designed for single stylus input, not two thumb/finger input. If you were going to type with a single finger Fitaly would be good, but for two thumbs/fingers Dvorak or QWERTY would probably be better than Fitaly.
RE: Possibly overly positive review
Docpm @ 11/3/2003 11:37:48 AM #
These reviews are quite an education. I am replying actually to ALL the reviews I just read. After reading very positive reviews by the three major reviews of Palm-OS based PDA's, and ALL 3 of them have either switched, or this one, thinking of switching to the UX50 JUST BEFORE the the release of OS6, says a whole lot. It seems that some of the comments by readers are made by those who don't have to switch and spend a lot of money because they know they can wait, so it's easy to come to a dismissive conclusion.

But to someone whose Tunsten T feel apart, screws came out, backlit stopped working, face all scratched up... I had no choice but buy now. Given that necessity, there WAS NO CHOICE. The UX50 was so much better than ANY of the PDA's Palm or PPC based that it was a no brainer. An obsessive guy like me appreciated that. Given how important these devices are to me, big decision, I will fret forever, but here... bought it in a day.

All the complaints, about the keyboard (both in terms of travel issues and commands), screen smallish, placement of scroll device, battery, buttons (that's the worse for me), no portrait, low user memory, syncing.... all true, but all of them combined still doesn't come close to outweigh this units overall superiority BY FAR than anything else out there.

The size, it's sturdiness and protective design, the screen is high res and with fonts4ux.xom great display despite it's size, GREAT KEYBOARD... my god, i am a touch typist myself, but with it's spaciousness, you can type fast for the first time on a thumb keyboard.. and it is MUCH FASTER than the fastest graffiti user and a lot less work, even fun to use. All the power, camera, movies, my friends were blown out by the features. Going to bed at night and wifi'ing to my DSL wireless router and being online!! IT'S AMAZING SIZE.. like my Palm Vx but much kewler because no case to make it bigger. And the memory?? YOU CAN PUT A GIG OF USER MEMORY ON A MEMORY STICK, so what's the complaint? I could put my whole vacation of 5mp photos, MP3's a dictionary and my dissertation on this sucker and have room to spare. Oh yeah, the syncing... all I know, is that the flat cradle is not bulky like the Palm cradles so i can easily take it with me, no problem to charge or hotsync anywhere.

This unit is revolutionary, period. I know when the OS6 come out, i will envy something else.. but this is flat out an amazing machine.

Sony Ericsson T610 + CLIE UX-80 = perfection? We'll see...
The Ugly Truth @ 11/3/2003 3:39:58 PM #
Docpm (ER,I presume?): well said. It's nice to see others here appreciate exactly how revolutionary the UX series is. I also feel that despite a few flaws, the UX-50 is a marvel of engineering and without equal among PalmOS PDAs. I've been sitting on the fence over whether to get a UX-50 or a Treo 600, so I recently followed the posting for a while at Treocentral. The number of complaints over quality control and carrier issues gave me second thoughts about the Treo.

Then along comes the rumor that a new UX model is due very soon. This would make a perfect pairing with a Sony Ericsson T610 Bluetooth phone, so this may be the way to go (for now).

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RE: Possibly overly positive review
Docpm @ 11/5/2003 5:14:49 AM #
yes er.... from what i just heard, rumors may be unfounded and a while before new UX would be released. Too bad, but I've got an extended warranty and hope to replace when OS 6 version of UX comes out..whether it be 80 or 90 or whatever.

I don't understood your wait for new one to hook up with Sony Erickson. the UX50 is Blue Tooth as well as Wifi enabled right now.

RE: Possibly overly positive review
The Ugly Truth @ 11/5/2003 9:48:30 AM #
yes er.... from what i just heard, rumors may be unfounded and a while before new UX would be released. Too bad, but I've got an extended warranty and hope to replace when OS 6 version of UX comes out..whether it be 80 or 90 or whatever.

I don't understood your wait for new one to hook up with Sony Erickson. the UX50 is Blue Tooth as well as Wifi enabled right now.

The pictures were fakes, but I believe the new UX will be here "any day now".

I have been waiting to see what happens with the Treo 600. If a UX with a better screen comes out, I'll probably go with the CLIE instead. I prefer to wait for as perfect a PDA as possible, as I don't change models very often.

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Preview of Palm laptop

RhinoSteve @ 10/27/2003 4:20:21 AM #
While the UX50 is cool, I take it as a intermediate release before the full blown Palm OS 6, VAIO laptop. In a way, it is a "consumer forming" product where a concept that is too radical is shaved down to wedge in acceptance for the ultimate product goal.

Here you have a Palm / Laptop hybrid that gets consumers used to thinking of the Palm OS in a traditional laptop form factor while still keeping the pocketability of a Palm OS device. Very slick long term marketing for sure!

My guess is we will see the UX line grow with a bigger screen over the next year where you will see a UX-100 or UX-1000 with a nice 12" screen, USB master ports, no hard disk and two MemoryStick slots running Palm OS 6 come the end of next summer.

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hoplites @ 10/27/2003 5:53:59 AM #
DANA anybody?
RE: Preview of Palm laptop
mikecane @ 10/27/2003 9:43:47 AM #
Euthanasia, ska?

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
Foo Fighter @ 10/27/2003 11:52:13 AM #
> "I take it as a intermediate release before the full blown Palm OS 6, VAIO laptop"

I disagree. You aren't going to see Notebook PCs running handheld operating systems, and I can't understand why anyone would want that solution. Shoving a Mobile OS into a desktop/notebook computing device is every bit as stupid as cramming a desktop client OS into portable devices. A Palm-Powered notebook PC would be completely useless without desktop applications. Consumer/Business users want Windows, not PalmOS. Even if the device were teeny tiny, like certain Vaio models, the utility is gone without real applications. What's the point? If I want simple mobility, I choose a PDA. If I want a "desktop on the go", I choose a Notebook PC. Combining those two elements has little appeal for me, or anyone else beyond hardcore PDA fanboys.

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RE: Preview of Palm laptop
RhinoSteve @ 10/27/2003 1:31:25 PM #
Dude, it is called reduced cost of ownership and IT managers getting control back. But most of all, keeping .NET out of your office.

Get third party Palm OS application houses to do the trinity of professional applications (office suite, mail client, web browser), most professional will not care if it is Windows compatible to do their job.

The average cost of ownership for a laptop including software pushes $3000 a year. With a Palm OS laptop, the cost of ownership is only $1000. That is how it will sell -- to IT managers that need to keep costs down.

FYI, your reaction is the same I heard from people who saw a pen computer ten years ago and said "I don't like not having a keyboard." Your father bought IBM, you buy Microsoft.

If Sony would make something like the UX50, they will most definately make Palm OS laptop. I'll bet good money it does a hell of a lot better than anyone anticipates when it is discovered how affordable the third party applications are, there is no hard disk, batter life is in days and it is much lighter.

Suddenly anything over a pound will be "bulky." Mark my word on this. Consumer is a very, very form factor conscience market. That Compaq laptop architecture you are reading this on will be outdated sooner than you think.

Frankly, I think it will be cool to do a "Palm to Palm" sync.
RE: Preview of Palm laptop
Foo Fighter @ 10/27/2003 3:36:10 PM #
I still don't agree. It's funny that you have this issue completely backwards. With PC notebooks getting smaller and smaller every year, there could come a time when handheld operating systems become irrelevant. You see PalmOS on notebook portables as a solution; I see it as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I have never heard anyone complain they can't run PalmOS on their laptop instead of Windows. And even for the anti-Microsoft crowd there is already a solution: It's called Linux. Operating systems have little to do with the overall size of hardware. OS's scale up or down according to the task. Linux can fit easily on small devices, and still deliver top notch functionality. So can Windows, with a little chopping and sawing. So where does PalmOS fit into the equation? Another thing: we don't need PalmOS to keep .Net out of corporate IT. There is already a suitable alternative: Java, or J2EE to be exact.

No offence, but your idea sounds more like a ”Wouldn’t it be cool if…” wish of a Palm fan. It doesn’t sound practical or necessary.


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RE: Preview of Palm laptop
The Ugly Truth @ 10/27/2003 4:06:52 PM #
I still don't agree. It's funny that you have this issue completely backwards. With PC notebooks getting smaller and smaller every year, there could come a time when handheld operating systems become irrelevant. You see PalmOS on notebook portables as a solution; I see it as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I have never heard anyone complain they can't run PalmOS on their laptop instead of Windows.

PalmOS on a PDA the size of a CLIE UX-50 (or slightly larger) makes sense for companies attempting to control costs. The hardware and software support costs for employees that really just need email, web, Word and Excel for a PalmOS based portable vs. a Windows laptop are significant. Ask any IT professional how much it costs per year to support clueless Windows end users and maintain Windows and its apps. For some people, Windows is essential and ultra-compact laptops that run it like the Toshiba Libretto will make more sense. But why would a company spend $5000 supporting an employee with a Windows laptop + apps when it could spend $1000 on a PalmOS-based equivalent? This is one of the areas I would expect Palm and Sony to be focusing on in the next year. We'll see who's right soon enough.


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RE: Preview of Palm laptop
Foo Fighter @ 10/27/2003 4:31:48 PM #
Not quite the same thing. RhinoSteve is talking about a replacement for Windows notebooks running business applications (at least, I think he is). That’s not going to happen, IMO. Despite these ROI costs assessments (note sure where you're getting that from), the enterprise still continues to shun PDAs. Corporate adoption has not taken off. Consumers still make up the bulk of PDA sales. And "clueless windows users" aside, you still have to train people to use PalmOS as well, and that's going to incur more costs as well. Yes, for basic email/messaging/web browsing, you don’t necessarily need a Notebook PC, but you also don’t need a “Palm laptop" either, when a Smartphone can fill that role at even less cost.

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RE: Preview of Palm laptop
The Ugly Truth @ 10/27/2003 4:51:20 PM #
RhinoSteve is talking about a replacement for Windows notebooks running business applications (at least, I think he is). That’s not going to happen, IMO.

I wouldn't suggest Palm/Sony attempt to market PalmTops™ as doing anything but a limited subset of what laptops are capable of. They need to be sold honestly for what they are: simple, connected displays for the majority of information employees need to access.

Despite these ROI costs assessments (note sure where you're getting that from), the enterprise still continues to shun PDAs. Corporate adoption has not taken off. Consumers still make up the bulk of PDA sales.

I came up with those numbers based on what I know about pricing of laptops, PalmTops, Windows apps, Palm apps and support costs. Palm's (relative) failure in the corporate world dates back to a series of strategic errors they made in 1999 - 2001.

And "clueless windows users" aside, you still have to train people to use PalmOS as well, and that's going to incur more costs as well.

The "training" needed to use an intuitive OS and simple apps is relatively minimal. With automated (on-device) backups, the chances of disaster striking is limited and recovery is a fairly quick, painless and inexpensive process for PalmOS-based systems.

Yes, for basic email/messaging/web browsing, you don’t necessarily need a Notebook PC, but you also don’t need a “Palm laptop" either, when a Smartphone can fill that role at even less cost.

The displays on smartphones are too small to allow these to be realistic laptop replacements. It's one thing to use a Sony Ericsson P800 or P900 to occasionally check your email or browse the web as you wait in line at the grocery store; but you wouldn't want to be spending your days reading dozens of corporate emails on a 1.5 inch smartphone screen.

Palm blew a great opportunity to leverage their OS in the corporate world. As the traditional stand alone market evaporates, Palm needs to have a clear plan for what its future markets are. I believe - in order of importance - those mrkets are:

1) Smartphones
2) PalmTops
3) Stand alone units

It makes a lot more sense to try to sell 5000 PalmTops to Company X than trying to sell 5000 stand alone Palms to 5000 individuals. Not enough of the decision makers at Palm felt that way a few years ago when Palm Vx models were flying off the shelves at premium prices. They forgot the importance of diversification and it came back to haunt them when the bottom fell out of the market. Sony won't make that same mistake.


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RE: Preview of Palm laptop
RhinoSteve @ 10/27/2003 9:11:56 PM #
Nice to know that this thread is a lively one.

Frankly, just the polarized response I'm seeing tells me that it is very much worth it for a Palm OS licensse to do a Palm laptop. Frankly a no hard disk laptop with instant on and a sub-second restart will create new markets.

These guys poo-poo-ing a Palm OS laptop reminds me of the guys that diss'ed PC since the couldn't run their punch card batch jobs.

Think forward before someone else does.


RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hoplites @ 10/27/2003 9:31:01 PM #
Here is a news flash fro you. Palm OS mini laptop will not be cheap.

It will cost around $6-900 bucks. ie. It won't be that much cheaper than a low end windows laptop.

Yes it can do instant on, run palm apps etc. But it also won't do anything beyond that. No CF peripherals, incomplete networking utilities etc. It'll be just a larger version of T3 instead of shrunk down laptop.

you don't believe me?
take a look at .net handheld done by NEC and Psion. They cost $800-1000 and it has CF slot.

Do you want to pay the same price minus the CF slot?

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
RhinoSteve @ 10/28/2003 12:54:07 PM #
First of all, the price will probably hit around $600 and be just under the going rate of Windows laptops. Also, I doubt you know much about real margins of electronic manufacturing these days. Look at the Dana and how well it is doing in a niche educational market.

Would I buy it? hell yea I would! If anything going into sales meetings and showing customers and clients the post-Microsoft world is starting will be worth it.

Below $600 is cheap and yes it will sell since it is more valuable than a cheap Windows laptop that I have to wait to reboot, recharge twice a day and most of all, need a mouse to operate. Pen and keyboard in a canvas mode will suit me just fine.

Go play on your Windows system and pay your devitions to Redmond. There is a lot more money to be made out there than following Pavlovian customer demands.

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hoplites @ 10/28/2003 2:37:16 PM #
>>>First of all, the price will probably hit around $600 and be just under the going rate of Windows laptops. Also, I doubt you know much about real margins of electronic manufacturing these days. Look at the Dana and how well it is doing in a niche educational market.>>>

around $600? I'll believe it when I see it. Even the old HP720 couldn't pull it off, and it wasn't even first try or without market either.

Second: Dana with all such basic strip down feature cost $400 or so, imagine putting a customized color screen, and everything else that a laptop should have.

Even T3 + folding keyboard cost as much already, and Palm sold T3 by the bushel instead of new market like this laptop wannabe you propose.

and of course the fact that nobody by this UX50 except a few gadget freaks should be a warning anough about som foolish thought trying to reinvent laptop.

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hotpaw4 @ 10/28/2003 4:18:23 PM #
While I remain unconvinced that there is a huge retail market for PalmOS laptop, such a product might be useful in some vertical markets, similar to those where the Dana is successful. The ability to have a smaller display and lack need for spindles would make the units less costly to manufacture, significantly lighter in weight and far less fragile than a (linux/Mac/Windows) laptop computer. For some uses, the differences in repair and maintenance costs can be very significant, perhaps even greater than the difference in initial purchase prices.

As for the price, note that new brand-X laptops are available for under $900, and that a PalmOS laptop doesn't need either a CD-ROM or the hard disk, can use a less expensive VGA display (similar to those used in cheap portable DVD players), as well as a smaller battery. A UX50 could cost a lot less if it weren't so highly miniaturized. The HP720 was expensive back in the days when 68k monochrome PDA's sold for over $300, and now a Zire 21 in under $100.

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hoplites @ 10/28/2003 8:29:19 PM #
Yes but can Palm OS use such hardware? for eg. intel based display chips, CPU, or other hardware. I've never seen Palm project based on x85 architecture.

low end wintel laptop can be made cheap because it's standard and a company can sell them by the pounds. Once Palm start changing a few thing here and there, cost adds up, and out goes the advantage.

Remember UX is the cutting edge of integrated technology and consumr electronic manufacturing. ANd it only give you that much, not quite a laptop.

How much do you think UX will cost adding SD and CE slot plus a USB socket? it won't be $5-10 bucks I can tell you that.

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hotpaw4 @ 10/28/2003 9:01:33 PM #
> Yes but can Palm OS use such hardware? for eg. intel based display chips, CPU, or other hardware.

What do you think an Intel XScale processor is? It's an Intel designed CPU (ARM architecture), including display controller and other hardware (memory controller, I/O, etc.), which would work just fine in a PalmOS laptop. Who needs x86?

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hoplites @ 10/28/2003 11:32:27 PM #
Xscale won't be cheap. NEC has one clamshell model using Xscale costing around $800 bucks, Psion has one using ARM costing 900euro.

Remember one of those ultra cheap Linux dumb terminal from corel based on ARM? It didn't go anywhere, because a barebone wintel box ends up selling cheaper by the time it comes out.

Once you move away from standard wintel hardware model things quickly add up.

I seriously doubt Palm can create a decent 'laptop' even matching NEC clamshell at lower price. It won't happen, the economy of scale is not there.

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
hotpaw4 @ 10/30/2003 3:34:49 AM #
> Once you move away from standard wintel hardware model things quickly add up.

The Wintel hardware tax is what keeps the price up. Asian factories can do far better without the tax. Start here:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/challengeronline/letospsptoyc.html
or here:
http://www2.oregonscientific.com/learningtoys/16006.html
but add the guts of an SJ25 or T|C instead of the 8-bit CPU inside these toys, and you can easily end up with a quite rugged wifi-capable laptop that cost in the same neighborhood a T|C. Alphasmart has already proven that the PalmOS is flexible enough.

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
The Ugly Truth @ 11/1/2003 3:37:45 PM #
A PalmTop™ with 480 x 320 screen, dual CompactFlash and SD expansion, 801.11b, Bluetoothless, decent keyboard, all in a package around 15% larger than the UX-50 could easily be done for $500. The only question is whether or not any company has the vision to produce and properly market (to businesses, industry, etc.) such a device. It takes guts to create an entirely new market. Looking back over the past seven years, how many truly fresh PDA ideas have we seen? Not many.

Pilot 1000
Handspring Visor (Springboard)
TRGPro
Original IPAQ and Casio models
CLIE UX-50
Treo 600

Almost everything else has been minor cosmetic changes: slightly different cases, better screens, more RAM, low res cameras, different expansion formats, etc. Innovation has been sorely lacking because manufacturers kept expecting sales of standalone PDA to explode the way cell phones did. It isn't going to happen. Smartphones are going to eat stand alones for lunch, so if new markets aren't aggressively pushed (schools, real estate, business, medicine, sales, vertical market, gaming, phones, etc.), Palm will be sitting around next year wondering why their sales figures are half what they were in 2003. Yes, half. It's happening...

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Preview of Palm laptop
Ravyn @ 12/1/2003 3:06:59 AM #
Back up a few comments to the new OS6? in chatting witht he sony/clie peeps, i understand the rom to actually be flash and am curious now why none have mentioned the ability to upgrade the OS in that fashion? rather than only by buying the next best item at the time... Me personally, i have gotten my moneys worth and still maintain a PPC, but am surely coming over to the "Darkside", LOL... any comments to a newbie to the palm?

UX vs Win

mikecane @ 10/27/2003 9:50:28 AM #
"MCC is a full-fledged Windows computer that measures 3 inches by 5 inches--about the size of a Palm handheld--and is about an inch thick."

http://news.com.com/2100-1003-5097013.html?tag=nefd_hed

"The MCC will cost $3,970"

Come on, even *ska* has to laugh at *that*.

RE: UX vs Win
hoplites @ 10/27/2003 11:07:38 AM #
right, Palm vs. winXP. I am sure it's comparable.
Dana is $400+ remember?
Modular Computing Core
Drone @ 10/27/2003 2:56:54 PM #
The size stats for the MCC are a bit misleading. I mean, it's true that it's only 3" x 5" x 3/4" (7.6cm x 12.7cm x 1.9 cm), but that only measures the main module without its interface components. For you to be able to use the core (view the operating system, input data, output audio, etc.), it needs to be inserted into a larger shell!

Their idea for its handheld implementation involves a gigantic 12.7 oz (360 g) unit with a 6.3 1024x768 TFT touch screen. Although still comparatively small in contrast to a laptop, it's certainly not the tiny handheld that they're touting. You can view the Ruggedized Handheld shell here:

http://www.antelopetech.com/en/index.aspx?view=i-products_RuggedHandheld.htm

The MCC itself is the beige-colored rectangle sticking out on the right side. The rest of that image is the horrendously bulky shell that you need in order to access the MCC. I think that's a bit too bulky for a portable solution for people who just want to stuff a PDA in their pockets.

I think perhaps its target demographic is the industrial market. Certainly the military might have use for this type of device. Unless a more streamlined shell is designed for on-the-go usage by the typical consumer, I don't see this being marketed to the general public in this form factor.

great... now how about Tungsten E

nuxi @ 10/27/2003 9:58:21 AM #
Thanks for the great reviews of megabuck devices like the UX50 and T|3; now, how about a Tungsten|E review, for those of us who don't want a flipping, sliding, expensive, fragile toy?
RE: great... now how about Tungsten E
Altema @ 10/27/2003 1:24:49 PM #
"Thanks for the great reviews of megabuck devices like the UX50 and T|3; now, how about a Tungsten|E review, for those of us who don't want a flipping, sliding, expensive, fragile toy?"

For a T|E review, visit www.the-gadgeteer.com and take a look. I'm sure Ryan will do one if he feels like it's not being redundant. The T|E is good due to it having a lot of feaures that you don't usually get in a $199 device. The deal breaker for me was the lack of UC, BT, and voice recorder. My wife liked the looks of the E, but wanted something with a decent speaker in the right place, plus the extra screen space for ebook reading. I could have kept the extra cash for something else, but, oh well :(

Fortunately I found a buyer for my T|T1 which helped a LOT. BTW, the slider is anything BUT fragile. I know about five or six T|T series owners who have the T1, T2, or T3, and some have been used, abused, and even droppped multiple times. The slider is tough and well built. One drop that I saw with my own eyes was from a few feet onto solid wood, while open with no case or protection. I have a pair of old Palm III's with shattered screens that had less of a fall.

RE: great... now how about Tungsten E
Admin @ 10/27/2003 4:14:26 PM #
I will have a Tungsten E review posted soon
RE: I love my T/E
Cheetah @ 10/28/2003 12:50:34 AM #
Perfect upgrade from the Palm V/505/515 models, for a bargain price. It has a great screen, good battery life, OS5 with all the improves to the basic apps, and no slider!

Of course, if you want all the wiz stuff such as wireless, larger display, etc. you will have to go to the T3.

The only complaint I have is lack of universal connector, otherwise this is an almost perfect PDA.

alot a lot!

snugglefart @ 10/27/2003 10:22:53 AM #
a lot isn't spelled alot, it is a lot!

RE: and lotte too!
mikecane @ 10/27/2003 10:43:09 AM #
RE: alot a lot!
Admin @ 10/27/2003 10:44:46 AM #
if someone out there knows/has a good grammar e-book, please email it to me
RE: alot a lot!
ganoe @ 10/27/2003 11:59:02 AM #
It's not grammar; it's spelling. There is no such word as "alot".
RE: alot a lot!
Foo Fighter @ 10/27/2003 12:03:40 PM #
> "There is no such word as "alot"."

There's also no such word as "faughter", but that didn't stop some idiot from registering the name fool faughter. 8^)

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RE: alot a lot!
Gurn @ 10/27/2003 3:32:53 PM #
And "Foo" is a word?

RE: alot a lot!
dreamsofxion @ 10/27/2003 3:49:22 PM #
Actually...it is.
Albeit it's slang.
There is "foo" which is often used in the programming world as a "generic" argument to be passed to a routine / application - used more in the development of UNIX and UNIX-like applications than in the Windows world, but it is used.
E.G.: "To find all subdirectories within a given directory, from your console, type 'find -type d `/foo`' where 'foo' is an arbitrary directory.

However, the term "foo fighter" is a slang term from WWII and post WWII-era pilot terminology used to name an unidentified flying object. A "foo fighter" is a UFO.
*Sagely nod*

RE: alot a lot!
Foo Fighter @ 10/27/2003 4:10:13 PM #
You are correct, Dream. Congratulations! Not many people know that. 8^)

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RE: alot a lot!
Foo Fighter @ 10/27/2003 4:14:14 PM #
Off topic: It's interesting to note that Foo Fighters were very common in World War II. fighter pilots often witnessed "strange lights" in the sky, and many close encounters with mysterious high speed craft, sometimes in large numbers. There were even cases where whole Bomber Groups (consisting of several hundred to a thousand bombers) encountered UFOs. Both the Axis and Allies covered up these reports. American and British command officers believed these UFOs were some sort of experimental German wonder weapon, and the Germans suspected the same thing of the Allies. To this day, the sightings remain unexplained.

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RE: alot a lot!
Jeffry @ 10/27/2003 6:58:20 PM #
"Foo Fighters" is the name of a band. You guys are too geeky. lol
Foo Fighters
Marshall Flinkman @ 10/27/2003 10:19:57 PM #
And where did the band get its name from?

RE: alot a lot!
fleegle @ 10/28/2003 9:15:31 AM #
"And where did the band get its name from?"

According to RollingStone.com, they were "named after a type of UFO spotted over Germany by World War II air force pilots."



RE: alot a lot!
mikecane @ 10/28/2003 5:12:05 PM #
I am surrounded by children! Children, I say!

The Foo Fighter definition is correct, as is the tech use of Foo.

But no one here has brought up the delightful Smokey Stover comic strip which had "Foo!" all over it.

RE: foo too!
mikecane @ 10/29/2003 9:51:59 AM #
http://www.cafeshops.com/smokeystover

-- see what the cat is saying in the first illo!

RE: alot a lot!
Foo Fighter @ 10/29/2003 11:34:45 AM #
There used to be a character on eruptor.com (the site went belly up during the dot com implosion) named "Foo" as well.

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Performance issues

hotpaw4 @ 10/27/2003 3:52:52 PM #
The reviewer rates the processor performance of the UX50 as on-par. But this flagship product seems to have a CPU performance of only one half that of Sony's entry-level OS 5 Clie models.

Here are a few preliminary yCPUBench 0.7 numbers comparing a UX50 to an SJ25.

68k sieve : TJ25 61 bogo_68k_MHz versus UX50 29.5 bogo_68k_MHz
arm sieve : TJ25 1620 bogo_68k_MHz versus UX50 1012 bogo_68k_MHz (gcc compiled)

68k Mandelbrot : TJ25 205 kiloflops versus UX50 102 kiloflops
arm Mandelbrot : TJ25 2.44 megaflops versus UX50 1.43 megaflops (CW v9.2 compiled)

(for both bogo_68k_MHz and flops, a higher number is better.)

These were 2 random units on display at a local store, so I don't know whether some installed software or power-saver modes could have been slowing down either unit.

So PACE looks better optimized for the MXL processor; the Sony HHE only runs legacy 68k code only half as fast. For native ARM code, the performance ratios look similar to the ratio of CPU clock rates (200/123).

The yCPUBench benchmark can be found here:
http://www.hotpaw.com/rhn/palm

RE: Performance issues
hoplites @ 10/27/2003 4:51:44 PM #
"So far I can say that the performance is just about on par with Clie's that run the 200MHz XScale PXA255 processor. "

well I guess 1:2 is within range of 'on par'.

RE: Performance issues
The Ugly Truth @ 10/27/2003 5:26:49 PM #
Benchmarks can be deceptive and may give misleading results depending on how they were designed. In the time I had with a UX-50 earlier this year, I didn't notice a significant speed issue compared to competing Palms. As speeds increase in PDAs we'll soon be seeing what has already happened in desktops: the new, faster CPUs are of limited benefit to the majority of users given the minor demands placed on the CPU by typical apps they run.

Remember: the average Palm user probably only has a 16 - 33 MHz processor and is still doing ok.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Performance issues
hotpaw4 @ 10/27/2003 6:32:21 PM #
I happen to agree that a 100+ MHz ARM CPU is fine for most current PDA/organizer applications, especially if the lower clock rate helps extend the battery life noticeably.
RE: Performance issues
hoplites @ 10/27/2003 7:06:38 PM #
$600 PDA for "just fine" performance?
RE: Performance issues
hotpaw4 @ 10/28/2003 3:39:49 AM #
Given a choice between half the price and double the CPU clock speed. I'd take the lower price.
RE: Performance issues
hoplites @ 10/28/2003 10:32:36 AM #
How about half the price and quadruple the performance? Since when does consumer computer product need to make compromise between speed and price?

Sony is clearly trying to sell their embeded chip, but fail to compete price wise against intel.

RE: Performance issues
Admin @ 10/28/2003 12:32:30 PM #
benchmarks and processor speed do not indicate real world usability. I rate the speed on the overall responsiveness of the handheld and how fast/well it runs applications.

I was trying to make the point that this unit is just as fast as some of the 200-400mhz handheld chips out there.

RE: Performance issues
hoplites @ 10/28/2003 12:40:48 PM #
A good benchmark approximates 'real world usability.

UX50 fails in any benchmark.

RE: Performance issues
hotpaw4 @ 10/28/2003 12:53:15 PM #
> Since when does consumer computer product need to make compromise between speed and price?

Since small size and longer battery life became even more important issues to many consumers.

> UX50 fails in any benchmark.

False. Failing a benchmark would require it to have not run to completion; but the UX50 completed all benchmarks. In fact the UX50 runs at least one benchmark not only faster than the fastest Intel CPU you could buy 10 years ago, but faster than the highest performance supercomputers used for designing and running the Apollo moon missions.

It's just odd that the much lower priced TJ25 is even faster (and with better battery life, almost 7 hours), than the flagship UX50. Supporting bluetooth, wifi, multimedia, camera, and a display with twice as many pixels as a much bigger PPC takes its toll.

RE: Performance issues
hoplites @ 10/28/2003 2:03:28 PM #
By failing I meant failing to compete.
RE: Performance issues
mikecane @ 10/29/2003 7:44:46 PM #
>>>$600 PDA for "just fine" performance?

And what were the prices of the original Palm-Size PCs, ska? And they didn't even approach "just fine" performance. I know -- I bought an Everex Freestyle via ebay for $15 just two months ago. Still overpriced.

CONS

Jeffry @ 10/27/2003 6:56:01 PM #
"Cons: - Lacks buttons"

WTF? A whole keyboard isn't enough for you?


RE: CONS
Enfors @ 10/28/2003 1:29:18 AM #
He's talking about buttons (as in Date book, Address book, Todo, etc) not keys (as in q, w, e, r, t...).

-Enfors-

It's beautiful, but there are flaws

vesther @ 10/27/2003 7:20:29 PM #
The Full-Sized Thumbboard is a plus, but the lack of Portrait Mode, 3 Button-Handicap, Jog-Dial Layout, Memory Stick Scheme, 16MB Useable Memory for Apps, 29MB Useable Memory for Multimedia, and awkward Virtual Graffiti Input Area might turn some people off, though. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth in one device kicks butt, but I'd like to see rework of the Button Layout (I'd like to see a 9-Way Navigator/Jog Dial Combo), Portrait Mode Support, more memory inside the Handheld, and also support for SD Cards in future versions of the UX or UZ.

In a Desolate Forest, an enchanted Palm-Powered Handheld is waiting to possess a helpless soul in the wake--The Palm-Powered Handheld's name is EURENZANNIG.
UX 70 ideas
lechter @ 10/27/2003 11:16:49 PM #
Better key layout
More compatible with Palm games
Portrait and horizontal layout
Thinner, lighter, no cluncky 1 Oz. metal EYE HOLDER
Larger screen
Keyboard without ridges
3 Meg camera with flash

bundled with Bluetooth phone

Now we're talking

You have got to be joking.

tthiel @ 10/28/2003 12:39:26 AM #
This thing is a joke. Not a thing to like about it from it's tiny screen and weird gui to lousy keyboard and bulk. This will not be a big seller for Sony.

RE: You have got to be joking.
mikecane @ 10/29/2003 7:46:29 PM #
I have to say that the new hp 41xx PPC that has BT and WIFi for just $450 is a better buy -- for pocketable WiFi (*not* PIMs!) -- than this, despite my love of PalmOS over PPC. And that 41xx will use the exisiting iPaq keyboards too (they finally did the bottom connector right!).

Wi-Fi support

scarbouc @ 10/30/2003 8:36:53 PM #
"Sony has beefed up the Wi-Fi support and now offers a scanner that will search out wireless access points within your range. The application will report back SSID's, signal strength, WEP and IP information and makes it easy to connect to a new access point."

Is this built into the device or a seperate device? I didn't see the application on a model in the store

RE: Wi-Fi support
Palm4u @ 10/31/2003 1:54:58 PM #
This "sniffer" is built-in

"The Scan button finds available access points and lists their names, whether they use WEP encryption, channel and signal strength"

Source: http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/feature/sony_UX50.htm

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PDAs rule the world !

Amazing.

Veromorphia @ 5/20/2004 2:14:40 AM #
This peice of equipment looks remarkable. If only I had the money. :-(

My nieghbors have what I believe to be a UX50, and, despite the father being very computer-savy(working with them for a living) the only use they have for it is letting thier nine-year-old daughter use it for uselessly record videos of thier dog, while CHEWING on the stylus, and talking like she knows what she's doing! Dispicable!

^_^' lol. Sorry, but that makes me very mad.

battery

mjsturges @ 2/26/2007 2:14:16 PM #
Is there any way to change the battery? My clie peg-UX50 needs new battery. It says not changeable but people sell them on ebay still. IS it possible?

memory stick compatibility

astrosfan129 @ 10/5/2007 11:05:13 AM #
I have been unable to find any information as in the memory stick pro's that are compatible. So far I am in the understanding that a 2gb memory stick pro duo with an adapter is the largest size you can use. Is true? Is it not possible to use the larger 4gb or 8gb? Is it true that you need the adapter along with the memory stick, not just the memory stick by itself?

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