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Sony has reduced the price of their high end, UX50 and UX40 handhelds. The cut comes amid rumors of an updated replacement model currently circulating the internet.
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Keep 'em comming!

Sholey @ 11/3/2003 1:09:27 PM #
I don't know how they do it. They must come out with a new unit every month! The new specs sound sweet!

RE: Keep 'em comming!
RhinoSteve @ 11/3/2003 1:17:17 PM #
They are following their standard marketing and product cycle that they have done for the Sony Walkman for years. You make a few mechanical tweaks, throw it out there, see what the feedback is, improve the design according to the feedback, throw it out again and so on.

If you think it is quick here in the States, take a flight to Akiabara in Tokyo or hang around the intersection of Ginza and Sony Street. There are some Soney product models that never make it out of Japan with some very pecular features.
RE: Keep 'em comming!
JPVann @ 11/3/2003 1:48:00 PM #
Unless Sony updates the screen size, I won't be buying one. I tried the UX50 for 5 days and could not handle the small screen size (as big as a business card).

Also if you saw the review on the Gadgeteer, a regular portrait screen like the new HP actually shows MORE screen real estate on web pages than the UX50.

Jer 23:29

RE: Keep 'em comming!
hkklife @ 11/3/2003 2:14:47 PM #
First point: UX80's rumored specs sound pretty nice. Just today I saw a UX40 at Costco at a decently discounted price, so I'm assuming that model is already discontinued. There was also a NX70V next to it...

Second point: Kudos to Sony for sticking to their wild release cycle, even if they do encounter some bumps in the road along the way. And to Palm, I say....bring on a refreshed T|T3 with all of the bugs squashed! To heck with Palm's traditional April and October product intros! Or at least, have the "new" units come out at the traditional times and then have one mid-period in January and July (like they did with the T|T2 this past summer).

A fixed T3 in January would be a nice follow-up to the (presumably) almost-finished patch that should come out in the next few weeks.

RE: Keep 'em comming!
Gar @ 11/3/2003 2:44:54 PM #
The UX50 is very popular around the office here. Folks love the keyboard and the wireless. I was really holding out for a NX70 upgrade (yea, I know there is the 80). To have the screen size of the NX, but with the better 1.3 camera, wireless and more built in memory. Basically, if the UX80 (?) had a bigger screen it would be it. :-)
Still hoping.
I wonder how Sony decides which model to really rock on. They never bumped the TG50 and there was a lot of folks that loved that. Do they see the UX50 as what the TG50 user was actually asking for? Rumors have it that the NZ90 upgrade will be the same spec but smaller (technology rolls on) and OS6 - due out mid/late next year.

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My wife has to sell a lot of candles (www.ccandles.com) to buy her new Palm.
RE: Keep 'em comming!
Foo Fighter @ 11/3/2003 4:25:41 PM #
This is like playing The Price is Right. $550...no, wait! $450. Oh...$399. Winner!

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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com
RE: Keep 'em cumming!
The Ugly Truth @ 11/3/2003 4:42:01 PM #
Looks like the past three years of Sony's beta testing - I mean consumer sales - will finally start paying off with some killer hardware in the next few months.

Now they need to do something about the "optimistic" pricing and also get cracking on that PalmOS Sony Ericsson lineup.

PalmOS + Sony Ericsson P900 x 70% = Dead Nokia.


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Keep 'em comming!
phalanx @ 11/3/2003 8:35:23 PM #
=100% pipe dream?
RE: Keep 'em comming!
Nate @ 11/4/2003 11:54:37 AM #
Sony is officially denying the existance of the "UX80" and all of the pictures posted at ClieSource (and other spots) have been debunked. The UX80 is a non-existant phantasm of the minds of disappointed UX50 owners.

I believe PDA24-7's news though. It sounds plausible (and very Sony) to have at least the specs for another UX-style PDA with more RAM and a better camera. What makes the story particularly plausible is that PDA24-7 reported that the source said the screen would be the same size. Don't expect it until after x-mas though.

RE: Keep 'em comming!
mikecane @ 11/4/2003 6:50:28 PM #
>>>Sony is officially denying the existance of the "UX80"

Sony also denied that *any* changes would occur with Memory Stick. The original CNet article was *100% correct*, despite Sony's assertions that it wasn't.

Repeat blindly after Sony: "We trust Sony. Sony is trustworthy. Sony always tells us the truth."

RE: Keep 'em comming!
phalanx @ 11/4/2003 7:20:04 PM #
-Sony of course will rather lies than say, their UX50/40 are already needing an upgrade, hereby destroying the current model. (not that there is anybody buying this thing saves a few suckers)

-Sony invests big money on 'Handheld Engine', I doubt they will abandon this chip only after single model. Tho' IMO HE is a total loser. It'll be so primitive compared to upcoming intel's Bulverde, it's not even funny.

RE: Keep 'em comming!
Hippocrates @ 11/4/2003 11:02:02 PM #
-Sony of course will rather lies than say, their UX50/40 are already needing an upgrade, hereby destroying the current model.


Didn't a few years ago a Fortune m505 company announce their new product and ended up losing a couple hundred million dollars in the process?


RE: Keep 'em comming!
Nate @ 11/4/2003 11:26:56 PM #
I never said that I believed Sony, I just said they were denying. Sony is CERTAINLY working on a replacement. These rumors and pics are just not it. And no, it's not coming out next month.

RE: Keep 'em comming!
Nate @ 11/4/2003 11:29:21 PM #
....jeez Mike. I know you're a pundit and all, but with your new found fame don't you think you should save your barbs for those who actually are in error?

I've always liked your comments MC, but lighten up a bit. Unless you are actually predicting that Sony is coming out with something called the UX80, and that it will look like those photoshopped pics from ClieSource...

RE: Keep 'em comming!
Hippocrates @ 11/4/2003 11:30:43 PM #
And no, it's not coming out next month.

I hear it's less than a month away. (So you may be right for the wrong reason.)


RE: Keep 'em comming!
Nate @ 11/4/2003 11:34:13 PM #
More fools than I can shake a stick at, 'round here.

If something comes out next month I'll eat my UX50. :)

PS don't confuse my impertinent tone for actual hostility. I'm just engaging in some friendly debate.

PPS if something like the UX80 DOESN'T come out in the next month, who's going to eat what? Hippocrates? Memory Stick Pie?



RE: Keep 'em comming!
Hippocrates @ 11/5/2003 12:23:54 AM #
If something comes out next month I'll eat my UX50. :)

Somehow, I think it will easily fit in your mouth. Sideways.

Don't make me send the Chupacabra to your house...

RE: Keep 'em comming!
Nate @ 11/5/2003 12:43:23 AM #
That made me laugh out loud. Out of my 480x320 mouth.

RE: Keep 'em comming!
mikecane @ 11/5/2003 5:04:24 PM #
>>>If something comes out next month I'll eat my UX50.

Please let me feed it to you!

List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80

abosco @ 11/3/2003 3:17:21 PM #
The UX50 was a good idea, but it was poorly implemented with too many tradeoffs in memory fragmentation, expansion, screen orientation, and cost. 1.3 MP in their $600 model and .3 MP in their $700 model didn't look right, either. It was just taking up space and making it more expensive. So here's my moderate list of things Sony should add in the UX80 to make it not so half-baked and overpriced...

-400 MHz and 128 MB with over 100 MB usable RAM for storing PRC's and PDB's with the rest reserved for heap space. I'm competent enough to backup my own PDA, thanks. Let me use that space.
-3.5" screen AT LEAST. 4" is preferable. This is self explainatory. Although the dot pitch is really nice on the UX50, come on, 3.2" is a disgrace for $700.
-Bluetooth and Wifi with standard API's so developers can actually write applications for it. I don't even have a hotspot sniffer for my damned NX80v for God's sake!
-Portrait and Landscape with PAINLESS conversions with the standard OS 5.2 API.
-1.3 MP camera. At $700, I shouldn't even have to say this. I should be asking for 2 MP, really.
-Retractable CF slot that can make use of peripherals. The $600 model has dual slots and your $700 model doesn't? I want to be able to slap on a Pharos and a Microdrive onto this thing and have it not miss a beat.
-Better stylus. I'm so desperate for a better stylus that I ended up trying my hardest to win that PDA247 contest for a Proporta 3-in-1 stylus for the T-Series, and I've been carrying it around like an antenna in my Palm. Yes, the NX/UX stylus is that bad.
-Four Buttons and a D-Pad Nobody at Sony must actually use the product they churn out, do they? If they did, they'd realize how much of a pain side-scrolling really is. And I'd like to be able to play Zap on this.
-Jog Dial placement What they have now is wrong, all wrong. Maybe try implementing two different jog dials for ideal finger placement while in portrait, landscape, and clamshell modes?
-Make it look nice. This is not hard. The UX50 is the Honda Element of PDA's. Is that a loophole for a wrist-strap or a necklace in the corner?? Good God..

If Sony prices the UX80 with these adjustments at $600, they'll have a smash hit in the high-end.

-Bosco
PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/browsers
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
Kaitou @ 11/3/2003 3:48:52 PM #
The WiFi on the UX50 already has a sniffer. From what Sony was saying, the sniffer is as much a limitation of the OS, as their own laziness.

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
abosco @ 11/3/2003 4:08:38 PM #
Yes, I know it has a sniffer, but I'm sure there are other features I want out of a standard wireless API. After all, why not?

As for it being a limitation of the OS, it was a limitation back before OS 5.2 when these standards were set. There is now a standard sound, screen, and wireless API. Sony used a version of OS 5.0 in the NX80v when 5.2 was perfectly normal. That's Sony's own fault.

-Bosco
PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/browsers
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: List of ... -- The LOOPHOLE is from charms.
RhinoSteve @ 11/3/2003 5:55:15 PM #
Actually the loophole you see on the UX50 is in fact for personalized charms just like little charms connected to a charm bracelet.

While it may seem stupid to western PDA power users, putting charms on consumer electronic items are very popular in Asia. This is specifically true with cell phones and other Japanese only PDAs and electronic organizers.

Also, for some reason here in the Bay Area, I have seen a lot of UX50s in the WiFi hotspots in the area more than other PDAs. Several have even had charms on them. One actually had a rabbits foot attached to their UX50. Now that is making it personal!
RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
TooMuch @ 11/3/2003 6:41:01 PM #
Perhaps the idea is to rub the rabbit's foot enough so that hotspots will pop up around the country to make WiFi worthwhile:)

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
thomasho @ 11/3/2003 8:52:18 PM #
I bet you've never used a UX50. The features you listed were great, but some will definitely increase the form factor. Don't you know one of the major reasons of the high price tag os UX50 is its very small form factor? Where can you find such a small device with so many features cramped in? Also keep in mind that Sony is a Japanese company, they're selling their products worldwide, but the main R&D is still in Japan, and this is not a US-only product. I like most of the features you listed, but don't make the device bigger...
RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
abosco @ 11/4/2003 1:33:06 AM #
Exactly. You bring up a great point that tells the entire story. Sony creates these devices for the Japanese market, not the US market. Otherwise we would've had a TG50 with virtual graffiti a year ago. But nevermind how much money Sony could've made, and what kind of name and product they could have established in a market that is supposedly slowing down, even though no other industry grows as much as this 'slow' PDA economy. No, they've got Japanese techies with Hello Kitty shirts to cheer up. Great job, Sony. Your ignorance and neglect of the US market is killing your marketshare. Brilliant.

The Clie is actually profitable. Sony's Clie division was in the black for quite a while.

And I totally agree that adding these features are sure to make the UX a little bigger. But I'm willing to make a tradeoff. I think if anything, it can be a little wider, so that when it's in your pocket, it's like an extended TT3. Imagine all these features with really good battery life. Wow. But I'm sure we'll just get a watered down Zaurus C760 as the next UX. Man I hate Sony.

-Bosco
PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/browsers
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
Tuckermaclain @ 11/4/2003 1:09:06 PM #
I dunno about those charm things. I see alot more of the short straps on palms and cell phones when I'm riding the Chuo Rapid to Akihabara. Cool electronics district but prohibitively expensive--especially if you want an international version. Everybody seems to just stare at their cell phones/palms and play games with them when on the train anyway. Don't need 128MB for that. The UX doesn't seem to be a big seller here anyway, judging from what I see people use in Shinjuku, Roppongi, etc. I'm really surprised that Sony hasn't yet included GPS as it is very popular on cars here. Just my $0.02

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
mikecane @ 11/4/2003 6:55:12 PM #
>>>Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.

Riiight. Then why isn't this listed?

http://www.freewarepalm.com/internetpqa/efinder.shtml

I just love bashing widdle kiddies...

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
abosco @ 11/4/2003 7:12:51 PM #
Don't make me start trashing your predictions for '03. Sony drops Memory Stick? Good one.

-Bosco
PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/browsers
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
mikecane @ 11/5/2003 5:05:04 PM #
Hey, pal, PalmSource Itself is touting *you* as an expert, not me.

Kids these days never get the job done right... why in my day, we had to use typewriters! And yet we could compile a *complete* list of available web browsers for it!

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
abosco @ 11/5/2003 11:10:00 PM #
Hey, pal, PIC itself is touting *you* as an editorialist, not me. No, us lesser people are reserved for putting our garbage ideas in the comments section, while you get the comfy cushion of a frontpage. No matter where it's posted, though, it's still wrong. I won't soon forget your prediction of Sony dropping Memory Stick.

God, it's like The Godfather all over again. "I'm Mike Cane, damn it! I made my bones when you were still dating high school cheerleaders!" And then I come in and shoot you in the eye. Man I rule.

-Bosco
PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/browsers
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
mikecane @ 11/6/2003 2:51:35 PM #
The squalid dreams of ignorant youth as they get overpaid at minimum wage. Hey, alec, next time put my newspaper on the *porch*. And in the afternoon, remember, I don't want fries with that!

Alec was still watching Power Rangers when I first wrote for PIC. (Oooh, alec, that's called *history*. See, the world existed *before* you became dimly aware of it!)

Wish he was still watching Power Rangers these days...

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
abosco @ 11/6/2003 6:25:33 PM #
Listen, *pal*, I've been working my ass off at three different jobs. That guide is free volunteer work, which you attacked me and I jokingly responded. If you trash my work, you better fully expect to receive the same. I don't need to be insulted by some prick who can't see a quarter of his predictions become reality when he is actually a professional writer. I don't think you should be touting the fact that I was still in gradeschool when you started making predictions, as you don't seem to be very good at them. I guarantee you my forecast will be *TWICE* as right as yours for 2004. I'm willing to take you up on that bet. Pal.

You know, I've supported some of your predictions, helped with your incessant bitching about ska, even defended a thing or two (without any debt of gratitude), and yet you still turn your back when an age figure is wielded. You take a lot of **** from people, and it looks like you'll be taking it from one more. An apology would be accepted, but is not expected. After all, you are MikeCane(c).

Now where the hell did I put my pacifier..

-Bosco
PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/browsers
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
Hippocrates @ 11/6/2003 8:54:16 PM #
I don't need to be insulted by some prick...

No, you need to be ****ed by some prick instead. Hard.(I *ed out the words myself since you've shown elsewhere that you're too dull to figure it out.)

Too bad you can't tell the difference between tongue in cheek humor and a real insult.

You seem to become very defensive whenever anyone points out the fact that you're just a child. If you were over 13 years old, you probably wouldn't be as insecure as you are. Baby Bosco: you need to grow up. Literally.


M.C.

PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/pron
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS pron.
S320+ nothing + nothing + payphone

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
abosco @ 11/6/2003 9:38:03 PM #
>>If you were over 13 years old, you probably wouldn't be as insecure as you are.

Oh damn, I'm sorry, I thought I was 16. My fault.

I get defensive about my age because I *was* treated like everybody else until my age was brought up in conversation. Now my points are moot, despite whatever true validity they have.

Sorry, but your insults just didn't touch base with me. Probably would have fired up someone else, but I'm a little different. I found your post funnier than mikecane's, but that's because his seemed laced with truth. Anyway, I think I'm done here. The UX80 hasn't even been brought up in the last five posts.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
Hippocrates @ 11/6/2003 9:45:10 PM #
>>If you were over 13 years old, you probably wouldn't be as insecure as you are.

Oh damn, I'm sorry, I thought I was 16. My fault.

I'm referring to your mental age.

I get defensive about my age because I *was* treated like everybody else until my age was brought up in conversation. Now my points are moot, despite whatever true validity they have.

Your points were always moot. It's just that no one had the heart to tell you.

Sorry, but your insults just didn't touch base with me. Probably would have fired up someone else, but I'm a little different. I found your post funnier than mikecane's, but that's because his seemed laced with truth. Anyway, I think I'm done here. The UX80 hasn't even been brought up in the last five posts.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

Nice to see you've suddenly developed thick skin, Baby Bosco. But I just don't believe it, kid. By the way, what happened to your "hey look at my PalmSource article, doesn't it validate me and give me credibility" signature? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


M.C.

PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/pron
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS pron.
S320+ nothing + nothing + payphone


RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
abosco @ 11/6/2003 10:14:30 PM #
The signature had only been up for a short amount of time to get some traffic to the site. Anything more would be spamming, so I've let it go. It had nothing to do some patronizing moron on a message board.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: List of ... -- How to handle Winers like this.
RhinoSteve @ 11/7/2003 7:13:07 PM #
Bosco, I'm with you here. Any tech business you have a handfull of "I want every feature and pay nothing for it." mentality. It has been my experience to handle these types in one of the following ways:

* Throw the problem back at them and ask them how it should be solved. Many times, that will occupy them and let them review how reasonable or not their suggestions are for implementation.

* Give them a hard dollar figure of what it is going to cost them to have this done. Either ask for a big NRA in the tens of thousands of dollars or ask for a hundred unit commitment (thousand unit commitment if it consumer products.)

* Ask them how many people they have been in contact with that also want similar features. If they come out as a minority or unique request, tell them they need to implement it themselves or refer them to someone that does custom work.

And to top it off, you just need to please enough people to make a profit and survive. It is great if you can do that with majority market shared but that is not always the rule.

There are people out there that will complain no matter how wonderful your work is case a) they are scared of your talent, b) they are hiding something in their professional live and attention is drawn to you instead of the or c) they are have someone around them that they should be dishing this out to instead of you but have no courage.

If you think it is bad here, go to a MacWorld convention. These PDA guys are amature compaired to Mac snobs!
RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
mikecane @ 11/8/2003 12:41:48 PM #
bosco knows when I'm pulling his chain.

Hippo...etc is ska trying to imitate me. He is not cruel enough and not stylish enough.

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
Hippocrates @ 11/8/2003 1:30:54 PM #
bosco knows when I'm pulling his chain.

Hippo...etc is ska trying to imitate me. He is not cruel enough and not stylish enough.


And not stupid enough.


M.C.

PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/pron
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS pron.
S320 + nothing + nothing + payphone

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
Foo Fighter @ 11/8/2003 1:32:36 PM #
Quote: He is not cruel enough and not stylish enough.

No, but he does have a tremendous singing voice.

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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com

RE: List of Things that SHOULD be in the UX80
Foo Fighter @ 11/8/2003 1:36:30 PM #
Quote: If you think it is bad here, go to a MacWorld convention.

MacWorld? Hell, you don't need to visit a MacWorld convention (you can't anymore) to see elitist snobs and zealots in action. Just visit MacCentral.com and read through the sea of knee-jerk reactionary postings there. Twits, the whole lot of them. My particular favorite is when Computer Radio Talk-show host Kim Komando wrote a review of the G4 iMac, advising her listeners that Macs are not for everyone (duh!). Right away the conspiracy theorists were out if full force, claiming she gave the iMac a bad review (which she did not) for job security reasons. In their warped minds, she was afraid Macs would take over and put her and the PC industry out of business.

MacCentral, and Mac users in general, also have a bizarre fixation with spotting Macs used in television shows and other notable roles. They keep making a big deal that Macs are used by the "good guys" in the TV show Alias, while the "bad guys" use PCs, as if there is some special meaning in that. During the Space shuttle Columbia disaster, MacCentral posted a news story gloating over the fact that one of the main tracking computers used by NASA to track debris from the shuttle was a Mac! Can you imagine? 7 brave souls died, and they used this tragedy to boost Macs? Disgusting. I visit the site at least once a week for a good laugh.

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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com

4 things

iNOMAD @ 11/3/2003 10:33:07 PM #
1st why such a small screen. I saw a ux50 at bestbuy and noticed how incredibly small the screen was, also why no hires or hires+ support.
2. why no standard hardware buttons so you can use old software? Why do you always have to be so unconventional, sony?
3. 123mhz on a $650 pda! My $400 toshiba has over 3x the power, a much bigger screen and more functionality with my usb hdd and keyboard.
4. Where is the t series 320 x 480 are you stupid. Palm, garmin, and tapwave are gonna take $$$$ from you, sony. 5 camshell units is excessive. We dont need keyboards and cameras on every highend model. (smaller can sometimes be better)

i have gone through 10 pdas in 2 years.
Visor, m125(3), ipaq 3835, nr70v,ipaq 3955, tungsten t, zire z1.
RE: 4 things
Rolando @ 11/4/2003 8:27:44 AM #
"123mhz on a $650 pda! My $400 toshiba has over 3x the power, a much bigger screen and more functionality with my usb hdd and keyboard."

All CPUs are different. Macs have had much slower CPUs from a Mhz perspective, yet have been about as fast as PCs that look, on paper, more than twice as fast. Sony's CPU (for the UX50) seems to be pretty fast. Perhaps it because it has been optimized for certain OS tasks.

And PPCs, from my understanding, only use 200 Mhz of the 400 Mhz available... I could be wrong. I'm only repeating what I was told. Take it with a grain of salt, please.

Rolando

RE: 4 things
helf @ 11/4/2003 9:08:21 AM #
pocketPC's use the full speed of the cpu.

But he is right, pure MHZ doesnt mean squat. Theres a lot of other stuff that gets you speed as well. Just like how the 144mhz ti omap gets about the same scores as a 400mhz intel xscale.



RE: 4 things
Rolando @ 11/4/2003 9:57:58 AM #
I found what I remember reading about PPC and Mhz.

From here: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,5432

There's more than what's pasted below, but this part of my confusion...

Rolando

"XScale Pocket PCs running at 400 MHz, 300 MHz and 200 MHz all use a 100 MHz bus, and the 206 MHz StrongARM use a 103 MHz bus.

I guess you just spotted the main bottleneck, and the reason why XScale running at 400 MHz, 300 MHz and 200 MHz get almost identical benchmark results for tests that involve shuffling memory around – typical applications are graphics and multimedia. (Note: some Pocket PCs incorporate graphics accelerators that might confuse this picture a little bit). And since the StrongARM use a bus that is 3 % faster than the bus used in XScale, we also find a logical explanation for why StrongARM based Pocket PC’s are sometimes slightly faster than XScale based Pocket PC’s in some tests."


RE: 4 things
phalanx @ 11/4/2003 10:53:17 AM #
No wonder Palm is so far behind, their fan boys don't even bother keeping up with the latest development. Probably they still thing Tungsten|T is some sort of big success or something, or is it the m505.

-that article was written in december 2002, before the PXA255.
-What's more it's before the WM 2k3.
-How about checking out something more recent?
http://www.pdafrance.com/articles/article.php?cat=machinesppc&id=310&p=3

RE: 4 things
JKingGrim @ 11/4/2003 5:59:33 PM #
No, its the Z71, T|e, T|t3, and T|c.

RE: 4 things
Rolando @ 11/5/2003 12:57:06 AM #

*****************

phalanx @ 11/4/2003 10:53:17 AM

No wonder Palm is so far behind, their fan boys don't even bother keeping up with the latest development. Probably they still thing Tungsten|T is some sort of big success or something, or is it the m505.

-that article was written in december 2002, before the PXA255.
-What's more it's before the WM 2k3.
-How about checking out something more recent?

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Thanks for the tip. Next time, I want to say "take what I say with a grain of salt" I'll do it in French or something so you can read it.

Rolando


RE: 4 things
hotpaw4 @ 11/5/2003 1:59:18 PM #
someone wrote:
> All CPUs are different...

Very true. However the HHE uses an ARM9xx CPU core, which is nearly identical to the CPU cores in the OMAP and MXL processor chips. So small integer performance on these chips scales roughly with the CPU clock rate. You can run the yCPUBench benchmark to verify this for yourself.

The current HHE's performance advantage is not in raw CPU speed, but in the HHE's on-chip memory and media engine. Staying on-chip results in both higher performance and lower power for graphic and video intensive applications.

UX-80 "photos" were fake, but the new UX is still cumming...

The Ugly Truth @ 11/4/2003 12:05:04 AM #
Any week now.

(The linked photos were actually Photoshops.) But Sony will still be releasing its Monster UX by December.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: UX-80 needs a PHONE!
lechter @ 11/4/2003 2:49:36 AM #
Put a phone in the UX-80, or UX-80P

Getting news out there is what people really want!

RE: UX-80
abhinay @ 11/4/2003 6:45:11 AM #
well... sure, put a phone, and state that the Battery Life is 5 minutes :)

RE: UX-80 photos were fake, but the new UX is still cumming
The Ugly Truth @ 11/4/2003 7:17:48 AM #
Put a phone in the UX-80, or UX-80P

No, they will be keeping it tiny and people will use their Bluetooth cell phones to connect wirelessly. The people buying the UX series typically change cell phones every year or so and don't need or want a phone in their PDA. Also, small size will be the major innovation you'll be seeing in PDAs and cell phones over the next year. All of Sony's new CLIEs will be significantly smaller than the current models. When videohones (the next "killer" technology) start showing up in 2004, wireless connectivity will finally be complete.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: UX-80
mikecane @ 11/4/2003 6:58:28 PM #
>>>small size will be the major innovation you'll be seeing in PDAs and cell phones over the next year.

Like, duhhhh. I was really expecting them to get bigger.

RE: UX-80
Hippocrates @ 11/4/2003 10:50:51 PM #
Like, duhhhh. I was really expecting them to get bigger.

Like the CLIE bricks that have been released over the past two years?

PDAs are not looking too healthy right now. PDA bricks will soon be on life support.


RE: UX-80
Hippocrates @ 11/4/2003 10:50:51 PM #
Like, duhhhh. I was really expecting them to get bigger.

Like the CLIE bricks that have been released over the past two years?

PDAs are not looking too healthy right now. PDA bricks will soon be on like support.


RE: UX-80
mikecane @ 11/5/2003 5:08:44 PM #
I'm undecided. Is Hippocrates now ska or is it hhklife who is ska? Alex?!

RE: UX-80
phalanx @ 11/5/2003 11:40:26 PM #
This is thoroughly amusing.
RE: UX-80
abosco @ 11/6/2003 12:09:06 AM #
No, you're just correlating hoplites and hippocrates, and for God's sake don't call me Alex. Bosco will suffice.

-Bosco
PalmSource SC
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/browsers
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Palm OS web browsers.
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: UX-80
mikecane @ 11/6/2003 2:54:17 PM #
No, I'll call you Unsmart Alec.

Now go away, kid, you bother me. (Poor child doesn't know that's a quote or who is famous for saying it!)

RE: UX-80
abosco @ 11/6/2003 7:45:45 PM #
Ohhh look out, the man's quoting WC Fields now. You should do standup.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: UX-80
mikecane @ 11/8/2003 4:45:07 PM #
Hey! That's "the old man" to you!

RE: UX-80
Foo Fighter @ 11/8/2003 6:40:40 PM #
Ah...such love and respect that emanates from this message board.

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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com

I want a wider screen!

johnwong @ 11/4/2003 9:22:16 AM #
I think still room for a wider screen, I am looking for 640 x 320. This make it easier to surf the net.

JW

RE: I want a wider screen!
JKingGrim @ 11/4/2003 6:00:48 PM #
I woulnt expect a screen that is twice as wide as it is tall in the POS realm. Nor in any handheld for that matter.

RE: I want a wider screen!
neon-x @ 11/4/2003 6:58:12 PM #
Hpc's? 480 x 240 on my old casio... Which isn't too shabby for browsing... Albeit slow, and mono.. and cripled by win ce 2.0...

Hmmm... Actually... It's crap.

"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running round in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
-Kristian Wilson, Nintendo Inc, 1989

RE: I want a wider screen!
phalanx @ 11/4/2003 7:27:09 PM #
I love that signiture! lol
RE: I want a wider screen!
helf @ 11/4/2003 7:51:37 PM #
my psion series 5's screen is 640x240 :)

RE: I want a wider screen!
phalanx @ 11/4/2003 9:55:00 PM #
yeah but that's not color, big difference there in term of power consumption etc.
RE: I want a wider screen!
johnwong @ 11/4/2003 10:57:54 PM #
My Samsung Nexio has 800x 480 screen size, but the handheld is too big to hold in hand. most of my ebooks require 640 screen width. That why I am looking for 640x320.

I saw some notebook computers(sony, apple ..) has 1280 x 640 (2:1) screen size. why can't we have 640x320 in PDA?

JW

RE: I want a wider screen!
hotpaw4 @ 11/5/2003 2:12:17 PM #
> why can't we have 640x320 in PDA?

Either too big (nothing between a palmtop and a slim notebook in size has ever sold well), or too high a DPI for people with normal vision to be able to either read or tell the difference. Plus the extra DPI costs a bunch in battery life with current display technology.

I want a wider screen!

johnwong @ 11/4/2003 9:22:16 AM #
I think still room for a wider screen, I am looking for 640 x 320. This make it easier to surf the net.

JW

RE: I want a wider screen!
johnwong @ 11/4/2003 11:13:31 PM #
ed please delete this post, it was duplicated by mistake. thanks!

RE: I want a wider screen!
Hippocrates @ 11/4/2003 11:23:43 PM #
ed please delete this post, it was duplicated by mistake. thanks!

Or was it a deja vu - a glitch in The Matrix?

You want widescreen? Turn back time and get people to support Psion, then get them to make a clamshell model with a quality Sony or Sharp color screen. Load Opera browser, WiFI, Bluetooth, a decent battery, Psion quality keyboard and what do you need a laptop for anymore?

RE: I want a wider screen!
johnwong @ 11/5/2003 2:54:45 AM #
screen width is not the only factor of success! The operating system is still a prime selection factor.

JW

RE: I want a wider screen!
mikecane @ 11/5/2003 5:10:06 PM #
>>>You want widescreen? Turn back time and get people to support Psion

The dumb Brits did it to themselves!! Why didn't they come up with a Palm-like form factor instead of sticking with keyboarded clamshells? They could have owned the entire freaking market with that OS!

My thoughts about the UX

vesther @ 11/5/2003 9:27:43 PM #
You've gotta consider the Price-to-Value Ratio whenever you purchase a Handheld. For $700, though, I'd rather buy a Feature-Rich Camcorder that supports 3.2 Megapixels or better rather than a Sony UX-50 that has a 0.3 Megapixel Camera/Camcorder, Memory Stick Scheme, and Landscape-Only Support.

The ergonomics are somewhat awkward and out-of-place for a Sony Handheld IMO. Wouldn't you want to think about fixing the Ergonomics of the UX?

In a Desolate Forest, an enchanted Palm-Powered Handheld is waiting to possess a helpless soul in the wake--The Palm-Powered Handheld's name is EURENZANNIG.

RE: My thoughts about the UX
Palm4u @ 11/6/2003 9:17:29 AM #
I see your point, but not sure if one can compare a PDA to a camcorder.

UX-50 is like you get the cake WITH all the icing AND the cherry on top !

For those who can afford this piece of cake. So you won't have all these accessories hanging out of a Palm unit (extra thumbpad, SDIO camera, WiFi card) Try sticking that in a pocket.

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PDAs rule the world !

RE: My thoughts about the UX
benixau @ 11/8/2003 12:08:47 AM #
Ther UX50 does not have the ability to become a tablet style PDA in portrait. It does not use the Std PalmOS APIs. If it did those two things as well as including a decent stylus (has sony ever?) then i would be getting one instead of the T3 i am going to get.

Also - it doesnt support fast MSPro transfer. how stupid. It should considering it was released after MSPro made its debut.

RE: My thoughts about the UX
polyglot @ 2/4/2004 4:44:19 PM #
Hey, guys, cool it a bit.

First, anyone who hasn't held the UX in his hands
should just stop talking about it.
I even read stuff on the net that was purely false.

Yeah, lame camera, a few minor things to change,
but if you guys are always waiting for the perfect PDA, that's what we all think every year, but it's not out yet.

Also, one has to know what his needs really are.
I read stuff on this forum... woo...
Ok, you may need a laptop. That big and powerful.
You can also get half of it, like one of the Sony Vaio's or Fujitsu shown on Dynamism.com.
Still too big? I'll sell you my HP Jornada 720
for 300$ with a few CF cards.
Smaller? Buy a UX50, a Tungsten, an Ipaq,
but don't expect a desktop!
These thingies fits in a shirt pocket!


Ciao

PS: Oh! A few words for Mike Cane: I've never heard of you before today, but do you have good friends? A wife or girlfriend? A family/children? Enjoy them! Don't get so high over here, we're talking about electronic chips with plastic and metal around it. That's not real life.



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