MobileInfocenter

Comments on: New Mini Cradle for palmOne Handhelds

palmOne has come out with a new mini USB Hotsync cradle that is compatible with handhelds featuring the Palm Universal Connector. The new cradle features a small and sleek design with a clear back and built-in lighting.
Return to Story - Permalink

Article Comments

 (66 comments)

The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. PalmInfocenter is not responsible for them in any way.
Please Login or register here to add your comments.

Comments Closed Comments Closed
This article is no longer accepting new comments.

Down

Nice!!

jv-uk @ 12/9/2003 7:00:08 AM #
I like the look of it - very stylish and it looks as if you may be able to use it without taking the PDA (Tungsten T for me!) out of its case.
RE: Nice!!
LiveFaith @ 12/9/2003 11:11:47 AM #
Hmmm. Still using the "Palm" name on their hardware. When will Pa1mOne actually appear on a device?

Oh, nice cradle. I'll have to call my loan officer today to get one though.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Nice!!
Admin @ 12/9/2003 2:40:07 PM #
the spring '04 products are supposed to be the first with the new palmOne logo and branding.

We need form and function!!

Hustleman @ 12/9/2003 7:17:19 AM #
Come on Palm, a usb 2.0 cradle is what we really need. With the amount of data that is being synced by the average user, reducing sync time with a usb 2.0 interaface would be ideal.

RE: We need form and function!!
icy jamie @ 12/9/2003 9:08:55 AM #
Only if the Palm Tx can keep up with the speed...
Otherwise, it's useless..
RE: We need form and function!!
pilot1000 @ 12/9/2003 9:23:09 AM #
Palm's don't use USB 2.0 chips in them so that change would be more necessary then just the cradle

RE: We need form and function!! And SPEED!
Strider_mt2k @ 12/9/2003 9:48:39 AM #
The whole Hotsync process is very slow.

Why wait an hour to install an app that way when I can use MSImport and drag the files over like a regular guy?


Flash is cool, but bang is cooler.



RE: We need form and function!!
hkklife @ 12/9/2003 11:05:44 AM #
Maybe I'm just slow today but can this thing charge via AC and USB or just trickle charge from the USB port alone? If that's the case, then I'd have to imagine how long it'd take me to recharge a depleted T3 and my Power-to-Go sled via USB only.

If it's trickle charge only, then it'd make for a nice spare cradle to keep at work and have the old wobbly cradle at home for serious juicing. Shame that clear plastic back will show fingerprints so easily, though!

RE: We need form and function!!
hkklife @ 12/9/2003 11:24:07 AM #
By the way, going OT here a bit, but still on the basic point of "form vs. function" take a look at what was, essentially, the Palm IV design study (and browse the rest of the gallery, there are some very funky looking things there!)

http://www.summitid.com/gallery_pilot.html



RE: We need form and function!!
critic @ 12/9/2003 12:37:53 PM #
Strider - if a Hotsync install is taking you an hour, chances are there's something wrong with your Hotsync settings.

Also, please remember that we're talking about Pa1mOne devices here, so MSImport wouldn't be of much use. Sure, we could copy the programs directly onto SD cards, but I know that in my case, since I don't have a separate SD reader, that's not overly practical. Installs via Hotsync do the job just fine for me.

----
What do you think, sirs?

RE: We need form and function!!
Strider_mt2k @ 12/9/2003 1:22:07 PM #
An excellent point.

What I should have said was an hour for transferring large files when hotsyncing.

Sorry about that.


RE: We need form and function!!
batmon @ 12/9/2003 4:15:05 PM #
Yeah... no point for using USB 2.0, unless Palm comes with 1GB storage space. My sync is always faster then open up Outlook 2003!



RE: We need form and function!!
Bartman007 @ 12/10/2003 3:45:15 AM #
I think that USB 2.0 will be an excuse for palm0ne to move onto the next proprietary connector. UC2.0 anyone?


Peace,
-Bartman007

$50...come on now

chilimost @ 12/9/2003 8:30:40 AM #
Looks nice, but $50 is crazy.
RE: $50...come on now
karrock @ 12/9/2003 8:50:30 AM #
Yeah... should at least offer 50% off for current owners... I don't exactly like the way the T3 teeters on the old cradle's universal connector... tilt it too far to either side and you lose connection.

~Tony

Pilot --> V --> m505 --> Tungsten T3

RE: $50...come on now
karrock @ 12/9/2003 8:52:42 AM #
Makes me wonder if it'll bundle with all "new" PalmOne devices, or if it'll always be an "upgrade" cradle.

~Tony

Pilot --> V --> m505 --> Tungsten T3

RE: $50...come on now
Rhauer @ 12/9/2003 10:17:03 AM #
Looks very cool, way to expensive.

You don't have to buy it.
RAMdŽd @ 12/9/2003 4:58:05 PM #
If you price a regular cradle and the mini-cradle, I think you'll see that the Mini won't be included in the box.

By its name, one should assume that it's a second cradle, and not a primary one. It doesn't make sense to supply a USB cradle at the expense of a AC/USB cradle. And they certainly won't toss it in for free.

Oh, and if anybody looks rather than whines, you'll find it for half price.

I did.


.

______________________________
An armed society is a polite society.

"Yeah... should at least offer 50% off for current owners.."
RAMdŽd @ 12/9/2003 5:10:24 PM #
Right!

I'm going to tell the dealar that when I buy my nesxt TV!

"I want the upgrade price!"

Hey, that should work at the car dealership too! Think of all the money I'll save.

"That should be half off, and gimme the upgrade price. I already own one!"


Sheeesh.

______________________________
An armed society is a polite society.

RE: $50...come on now
Lucky Bob @ 12/9/2003 5:56:32 PM #
"Yeah... should at least offer 50% off for current owners..."

If you don't own a Palm with a Universal Connector, or if you don't use it any more, why would you buy this cradle? So that would mean that almost everyone buying it would be a current owner.

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

RE: $50...come on now
CaptMyCapt @ 12/10/2003 1:06:19 PM #
Oh, and if anybody looks rather than whines, you'll find it for half price.

I did.

Why are you not sharing where you found this at half price?

Captain T

"You will never make progress trying to sail into the wind - chart your course!"

RE: $50...come on now
skrm @ 12/11/2003 8:57:49 AM #
isn't it $27 in amazon.com??
if it is, including free shippping, i think the price ain't that bad for those who like it...

Typo...

dsamuilov @ 12/9/2003 9:15:21 AM #
I didn't know palmOne was in the currency creation business...

The article reads "palmOne has come out with a new mini USD"; shouldn't it be "USB"?

I guess they are doing OK, but not as good as to print their own US Dollars!

;)

RE: Typo...
elo @ 12/9/2003 6:51:21 PM #
Nice how you state the joke three times...

elo

RE: Typo...
ganoe @ 12/9/2003 7:10:30 PM #
Maybe PalmOne could do a better job at getting a $1 coin accepted by the public than the U.S. Mint.

Where is it ?

FredLL @ 12/9/2003 10:13:06 AM #
Can't find it on PalmStore ...
I suppose I'll have to wait a few hours ...
Fred

RE: Where is it ?
RAMdŽd @ 12/9/2003 5:13:51 PM #
It was at the Palm Store under Accesories -> Cables and Cradles yesterday.

______________________________
An armed society is a polite society.

Built-in lighting?

LanMan @ 12/9/2003 10:15:28 AM #
What exactly does "with built-in lighting" mean?

Full-time computer network engineer
Part-time computer science teacher
Christian till the end-of-time <><
RE: Built-in lighting?
Khris @ 12/9/2003 10:37:12 AM #
I'm assuming that there is a light in the base of the cradle which illuminates the clear back when the device is inserted into the cradle.

Stylish yes, functional...not really :)

RE: Built-in lighting?
Admin @ 12/9/2003 10:45:28 AM #
the hotsync button lights up, and correct me if I'm wrong but it also looks like the clear backing is illuminates as well.

-Ryan

RE: Built-in lighting?
patwoods @ 12/9/2003 10:56:59 AM #
I had the Dell Axim for a short time, and its cradle lit up the Dell logo in blue when connected. This is purely aesthetic but pretty cool and draws attention. I like the thought but too expensive as agreed by all.

RE: Built-in lighting?
dustbunny44 @ 12/10/2003 1:20:32 AM #
How about one of those spinning LED displays rocking back and forth above the PDA, showing what is on the screen while it's in the cradle?
Woot.

Is it April 1st already?

Scott R @ 12/9/2003 10:19:44 AM #
I sure hope they didn't divert their hardware development team off of more important projects for this. Also, what use is built-in lighting? I guess I could see the value in that for the B&W Zire since it doesn't have a backlight. ;) But that device doesn't have the PUC either, so it wouldn't be able to work anyway.

Scott

http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -

RE: Is it April 1st already?
palmhiker @ 12/9/2003 3:42:30 PM #
"I sure hope they didn't divert their hardware development team off of more important projects for this."

I can see the development meeting:

Mgr1:Let's see, we can get a decent Wi-Fi solution out for all OS5 devices, but that will be difficult.

Mgr2:I have an idea, let's shelve the Wi-Fi stuff and design a cool new cradle that lights up. It will be so cool that a bunch of idio..er customers will even pay $50 for it.

Mgr1:You are a genius! Let's do it...

The Develoment meeting with PIC posters in charge...
RAMdŽd @ 12/9/2003 5:04:20 PM #
"Beige... And a grayscale screen. Color is more form than function."

"Yes, minimalist utiltarianism!"

"Who cares how it looks. Forget style, clunky is good enough."

"Style? What style?! We don't need no stinkin' style."


You don't want to pay the price, don't buy.

It's that simple.

______________________________
An armed society is a polite society.

RE: Is it April 1st already?
ganoe @ 12/9/2003 7:13:19 PM #
> Mgr2:I have an idea, let's shelve the Wi-Fi stuff and design a cool new
> cradle that lights up. It will be so cool that a bunch of idio..er
> customers will even pay $50 for it.

Mgr2 is probably right, they'll make more money off of the cradle.

RE: Is it April 1st already?
palmhiker @ 12/10/2003 11:12:40 AM #
Are you guys really that excited about a cradle?

Who cares what the freaking cradle looks like? Give me styling in the design of the PDA, yes, but I don't think the styling of a cradle is going to make a rat's ass worth of difference to anything.

RE: Is it April 1st already?
palmhiker @ 12/10/2003 11:19:20 AM #
Wait a minute, now I see it. You take a lady you've just met back to your place. You take off your coat and she is majorly turned off by the PDA holster hanging off your belt. You see in her face that she is thinking what a geek you are, so you quickly pounce over to your desk and show her this very cool looking cradle and how it lights up. Her repulsion has now turned into lust.....

You think, "I know this thing wasn't really worth $50, but I am sure glad I bought it..."

RE: Is it April 1st already?
Wollombi @ 12/13/2003 3:44:43 AM #
Yeah, and then she spends the night with your PDA instead of you!! =P

_________________
Sean

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

Perfect timing....?

hkklife @ 12/9/2003 10:57:39 AM #
Now this is a nice, stylish, unexpected surprise!

Perhaps Palm's going to make a mid-model run change to the T3, bundling it with this new cradle. Hopefully all of the patches will be be pre-installed and all of the apps in ROM will be updated out of the box. Call it a T|T3x or T|T3SE (like they did with the IIIe years ago) or something...Palm should also offer this cradle at a discount to current owners or at least to all T,C, and Z71 owners.

For OS6 units, I will be terribly upset of PalmOne doesn't get USB 2.0 connectivity onboard, as well as a faster SD bus. Then we'd finally start to see a loosening of some of the bottlenecks that have been plaguing us since the m5xx era.

Huh?
Lucky Bob @ 12/9/2003 5:51:46 PM #
"Palm should also offer this cradle at a discount to current owners or at least to all T,C, and Z71 owners."

If you don't own a Palm with a Universal Connector, or if you don't use it any more, why would you buy the cradle? So that would mean that almost everyone buying it would be a current owner.

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

New Palm Cradle Hands on

Admin @ 12/9/2003 1:01:44 PM #
OK, I now have the new cradle on my desk...

The back is illiuminated by 2 white LED's, they light up the clear part & palm logo, even when there is no handheld charging. The hotsync button lights up bright green when you have a handheld docked.

The cradles does not have a USB trickle charge, it must be plugged in with the included AC plug.

Any other questions, let me know here.

-Ryan

RE: Built-in lighting?
bnystrom @ 12/9/2003 1:29:47 PM #
Yes, I have a question:

Back to the comment that karrock made earlier, I am interested if a T3, etc. still "teeters" in the cradle while docked. That is one of the most annoying things about the current cradle. It wasn't ever really designed for the new form factor of the newer devices, and it seems to be a balancing act just to keep the T3 in contact with the connector. I would prefer if the far left and right sides of the device actually made contact with the cradle instead of being suspended by the connector.

RE: Built-in lighting?
hkklife @ 12/9/2003 1:36:58 PM #
Ryan, would you say the new cradle is heavier than the old one? Does it resist sliding around on the desktop fairly well?

I have my original m505 cradle and it seems to have more metal in or around its base construction, being a bit heavier than the really light, mostly plastic one that came with all of my Tungstens.

Also, have you had a chance yet to test it with a different Palm models-does a T3 or Z71 wobble less than they did on the old cradles? How does an m500 do on the new cradle? The Power to Go battery sled?

Thanks!

RE: Built-in lighting?
jjsoh @ 12/9/2003 1:43:35 PM #
"The cradles does not have a USB trickle charge, it must be plugged in with the included AC plug."

Does the AC connection plug into the base directly, or does it plug along with the USB cable (like the current default Tungsten cradles do)?

I'm not sure if you know what I mean, but the current set up of my Tungsten cradle makes it a pain to manage the wires. It would be great if the USB cable was also detachable, though unlikely.

Jim

RE: Built-in lighting?
PalmPowered @ 12/9/2003 1:53:04 PM #
I would just be happy if they had designed a cradle to fit the Tungsten E (or better yet, they should have designed the E with the Universal Connector). That is the only reason I won't buy the E is it won't be compatible with my stuff. Maybe Palm could come out with an adaptor to make the UC cradle compatible with E's????? Listen up PalmOne!


Palm IIIe/IIIxe/Vx/m500/m505/m515/m550/Tungsten C

RE: New Palm Cradle Hands on
Admin @ 12/9/2003 2:34:59 PM #
ok, here's some answers...

The T3 (and prob every other model) does rest on the connector, just as the old cradle.

It is much lighter then the old cradle, maybe 7-10 ounces?

the AC cable and USB cord plugs directly into the rear base of the cradle.

-Ryan

RE: New Palm Cradle Hands on
JonathanChoo @ 12/9/2003 3:00:50 PM #
I think I will get on and start modding it.

Generic Casio > Psion 5/StarTac > Vx > m505 > Sony N770C > Sony T625C/Ericsson T39m > Sony NR70V > Toshiba e310 > Tungsten T/Ericsson T68m > HP h2210 > Tungsten T3/Ericsson T610
RE: New Palm Cradle Hands on
Sho-Bud @ 12/9/2003 3:40:37 PM #
I am interested if a T3, etc. still "teeters" in the cradle while docked

------------------------------------------------------
You can try to bend the springs on the left and right of the UC a little to the front, it than should hold the T3 firmly.

RE: New Palm Cradle Hands on
karrock @ 12/9/2003 3:48:52 PM #
Shouldn't *have* to mod my PalmOne cradle to make my PalmOne T3 sit in a stable position, but I suppose all it would need is a plastic shim to close the gaps on the sides.

~Tony

Pilot --> V --> m505 --> Tungsten T3

RE: New Palm Cradle Hands on
GeneArch @ 12/9/2003 4:38:53 PM #
By chance do you have the part #? I need an additional cradle for home and would like to order this one.

RE: New Palm Cradle Hands on
Admin @ 12/9/2003 6:45:57 PM #
it does work with the power to go sled just fine.

It's pretty stable on the desk, it does not slide around much, the base is round with some plastic on the bottom that is somewhat sticky.

I think the palm part # is: P10961ROW

RE: New Palm Cradle Hands on
kroma @ 12/10/2003 1:31:42 AM #
The cradle that came with my T3 is slightly different to what I got with the T|T or my M515, it has the socket for the AC pack in the base unit, rather than as a line socket at the USB connector end. Unfortunately, they haven't used this to advantage, and allowed you to power from the USB connector if the plugpack isn't connected.

Incidentally, I have modified my other cradles so they DO charge from the USB supply. The +5v and earth connections on the USB connector do connect to the PCB inside the cradle base. If you are competent with a soldering iron, then modifying it is relatively simple, and you can analyse it for yourself. If you're not, THEN DON'T TRY IT! it will only end in tears :-)


Renewed commitment to UC?

Patrick @ 12/9/2003 3:42:36 PM #
When I saw the T|E announced without a Universal Connector, I felt like we were seeing the start of a transition to the bad old days of a new connector design per model series. I won't be buying this cradle, not for $50 for crying out loud, but it is nice to see Palm invest in the UC. Maybe it isn't soon-dead after all.


RE: Renewed commitment to UC?
batmon @ 12/9/2003 4:22:12 PM #
UC? why not just use miniUSB or even serial ATA. Ind. Standard is better then Plam's so-called UC.

RE: Renewed commitment to UC?
Patrick @ 12/9/2003 5:57:58 PM #
As the old joke goes... the most wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

The point of a standard is not that it is the latest/greatest/best, but that it is a *standard*. In this case, it means that peripherals built a couple of years ago have a chance of still working with today's models. Used to be every Palm series had its own connector, with a raft of dedicated peripherals, all mutually incompatible. Accessories tended to all be rather costly since competition was limited -- harder to build a business case for developing a new product when the lifespan is known to be somewhat limited.

RE: Renewed commitment to UC?
ganoe @ 12/9/2003 7:44:01 PM #
> UC? why not just use miniUSB or even serial ATA.

The Palm wouldn't be able to connect to any peripherals there if it was miniUSB. The nice thing about the universal connector is that it provides both serial and USB as well as some basic functionality to detect what type of universal connector device is connected.

RE: Renewed commitment to UC?
hotpaw4 @ 12/10/2003 12:56:05 AM #
> UC? why not just use miniUSB or even serial ATA.

No serial port pins (for keyboards, NT syncing, GPS, etc.) Not enough power for fast charging in USB. No commonly available external PC or Mac I/O ports for serial ATA. No place to rest the Palm handheld. Neither is designed for one-handed docking without the possibility of damage.

RE: Renewed commitment to UC?
WStemple @ 12/17/2003 8:06:56 PM #
I just would like to see a cradle for the T|E! I bought it w/o even knowing that there was not a cradle available.


cool

ComputerBob @ 12/10/2003 6:29:33 AM #
this is cool. it looks better thAn the normal cradle. and if it gets palm more money thEn its worth it.

i just have to say that there is a lot of mix ups of then and than...

RE: cool
RhinoSteve @ 12/10/2003 7:33:53 PM #
Exactly, this is a very nice high margin, stylish product that will make a good Xmas gift for many, many existing Palm users. IMNSHO, this is for those that have more money and more style that most who post to this site.

Also, any change from UC to a new connector for factor is suicide to PalmOne. While I'm sure Jeff and company at the merged PalmOne sees UC as "not invented here", he better just suck up and accept that this alternative to Springboard won out.

If he wants to superset the UC with some USB2GO stuff, that is fine. But whatever Jeff and company does, make it compatible with all the existing UC devices out there already. Thus, keep the serial port for keyboards and a bunch of other stuff. Serial ports are going to be with us for a long long time no matter what the USB proponents say.

Palm Store not stocking this cradle yet

jackl @ 12/10/2003 1:28:05 PM #
It may have been on the 'accessories' page of the PalmOne Store website yesterday, but it wasn't there today. The telephone representative couldn't find any reference to the product in his 'inventory' listing either...

RE: Palm Store not stocking this cradle yet
toshm @ 12/10/2003 7:25:19 PM #
It is on their site. Go to http://www.palmone.com/us/products/accessories/chargerscablescradles/

Click on red camera icon to see a bigger image and description.

However, you can not purchase it currently, at least not online.

Charge with Covertec etc???

scandaboy @ 12/12/2003 3:20:45 PM #
Will you have to take of your covertec or whatever handheld protection your using to sync/charge like one has to do with the bundled cradle?

P4 HT 3.2 Ghz, 5900ultra, 1Gbyte ram, 500Gbyte hard, SB Aud2THX. Internet: 10 Mbit/sec (Upgrading to 100Mbit/sec!!!) It's crazy.
RE: New Cradle
Skagen @ 12/12/2003 8:27:01 PM #
In my view this "new" cradle is a Cynical attempt to cream more profit from consumers. USB 2.0? No. Does it come with a removeable charging portion to make charging on the road easy? No.

So what does it do? It looks pretty and it lights up? Okay - I should have expected them to include it when you but their Tungsten - top of the line - product anyway.

I don't know if many palm owners will buy this with NO real improvement. I don't think its targeted at them.

However, its not conicidental that it turns up at Christmas when everyone is looking for gift for other people who they don't know what to buy. "Oh a nice pretty crade - perfect!" Thats the idea. Cynical marketing ploy.


RE: Charge with Covertec etc???
RhinoSteve @ 12/13/2003 10:16:25 PM #
Well just the existence of this product selling shows that there are customers with more aesthetics and sense of style than you.

Deal with it! Spend some time in an art gallery or a museum for a while.
Top