Comments on: Palm Powered Devices Have Less Support Problems

Even though I babied those PPC, they had problems, unlike my Palms, which have been much more rugged.

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They have a fun time with memory leaks, driver conflicts, and "system stability when there is less than 20MB free".

Sounds fun to me.

It's sounds just like Windows! That was the goal and it looks like they did it.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

So true! A few years ago, I was using a Casio EG-800 'ruggedized' PPC (check out this big ol' beast: http://www.pocketpcmag.com/images/CasioEG-800.jpg). It cost $1400 cdn at the time - almost double the non-ruggedized version (it was basically a rugged E125). I dropped it 3 feet unto carpeted floor and it died (im not making this up!). If i had a buck for every time my old Palm Vx was subjected to the same or greater torture (in some cases MUCH greater) and lived, i'd be rich.

At least in the USA and Canade there has been a major recall. check www.cliesource.com and www.clie-link.com
for further info

home is where my computer is...

I really like the Palm OS, but there are some things that I do with my PPC that work better on that platform. If I loaded enough 3rd party software on either one, I could make them flake out (PPC or Palm). The T3 that I tried for a few days would hang the HotSync manager every time I synced Versamail with my Exchange account. I keep trying to go Palm, but it won't do everything my PPC will do yet. I thought the T3 would be the one, but it's still not quite there yet. The Sony wound up with my daughter, my wife uses the Tungsten T, the m505 went to a friend, and I'm still stuck with the iPAQ until OS6 comes out. I am frankly bored to death with the Windows CE user interface.

I guess user mileage varies. I suppose a magazine poll isn't terribly scientific. I really think(hope) that when everything settles in with OS6 and stabilizes, I'll find PDA nirvana.

One gives the normal canned conehead response "Well it's the one with the most MIPS, mhz and throughput etc etc". As users get up and down from using the Mac, they more discerning manager says "But, you know a lot more people use the Mac than the PC". Immediately, the conehead says boldly, "Yeah, but that's an unfair comparison ... PEOPLE LIKE USING THE MAC". Then the two managers stare at each other in the amazement of epiphany!

Enough said about why Palm.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

The T3 Versamail problem was due to the fact that your default MAPI client is incorrectly set to Outlook Express, not Outlook. It's in the documentation and reminds you in the Versamail configuration/setup.

That said, as an owner of various Palms since the original PPP, I wouldnt exactly say that they in general are the most reliable devices I've ever owned.

Which to me says that PPC's must really suck.

R

Oh stop. They don't suck. Not completely. Nor are PalmOS devices Manna from Heaven.

PalmOS 6 had Better Be Something Amazing, is all I can say... it's the culmination of *years* of PalmOS user frustrations. And if they don't please the living hell out of us, there will be war.

Sharpening my WMDs...

What will WinMob04 require? 1GHz XXXScale just to get past the logo screen?

WM2k4 is jsut the same as WM2k2 right now, a couple minor up grade that's about it.

MobyWin? Ahoy! That's one big piece of bloatware, Jack Sparrow! You're gonna need alot of wind in your sails to get past the logo!

I couldn't help it. I was watching Pirates of the Caribean again.

I wonder what you'll say when you see PalmOS 6? I hope you like the taste of your own words (I've had to eat mine several times!).

BUT, I'm still banking that Palm OS 6 will STILL be a better platform than M$.

I'm still waiting to hear the announcement that its finished On Time As Previously Announced.

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"home is where my computer is..."

Not *that* expensive.

For just $50 more than the T3, you can get an hp 41xx with BT *and* WiFi built-in. (For $100 *less*, you can get one w/o WiFi -- the 1945!)

One can use the "But it doesn't have a 320x480 screen!" argument -- but that alleged "high res plus" screen is *still* only showing as much text as the *original* 160x160 screen (L->R).

And the hp 41xx is smaller and sleeker than the T3.

How odd that the *true* successor to the Palm V series is from hp and runs PPC OS!

Apple has been original. The iPod broke new ground. They've made many things very user-friendly, even if those ideas rested on the foundation of PARC's originality; they also went beyond PARC in many ways. MS has yet to catch up to Apple.

But, geez, no floppy with the iMac...?

As for PPC and Palm... I like PPC's Tap&Hold. I also like the way I can copy/paste **GOBS** of text w/o fear of crashing. Bloody hell, trying to edit simple DOCs on my CLIE above *20K* is like defusing a freaking bomb! OTOH, Palm has reliable PIM alarms (hear that, ska?!)...

http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml

I still laugh every time I go there.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

Gee, guess that includes Apple since they are even more monopolistic than Microsoft.

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I *loved* it when a Palm could run on a couple of dry cell batteries. Very usable. Now, if my Palm drains while on a long flight, I'm S.O.L.

Yeah yeah, I know. It's not "multit-asking" as such. but it amounts to the same thing in practical terms, and isn't everyday use what matters in the end?

My point it that at the multi-tasking bone is a nice one to throw, and I guess a true one in the true sense of the word. But when it comes down to everyday use, it does just that as far as the end user is concerned. My treo 600 can pick up mail in the background if I so desire it to, and then I can switch back and browse. I can receive a phone call and talk to the person on the other end and check out my calender (using either the speaker phone or the ear buds of course!) I can listen to MP3's, write an email and get interupted by a call or a text message.

Though not officially multi-tasking... It seems to be doing a pretty good job of it to me...

But hey, what do I know?!

-Mac

techiemac@yaspamhsucksoo.com (to email remove spam sucks)

Silliness. I've had no 'multithreading issues' using PPC software before, even with the most rudimentary apps. Not as simple as Palm, perhaps -- but not rocket science.

The palm (or PPC) has a small screen and can only display one app at a time to decently use it at all. Palm already have events that apps can use to hook on and perform tasks (eg alarms etc).

As the phoenix said, what really matters is what the user ultimately experience.

Palm apps (that are written according to the proper palm design) should store its states when the user selects one of the hard buttons or the sillkscreen buttons or power off. In some apps, the design may be to close the app or something while in others (like memopad), the current state is saved.

When the app is relaunched, the app will reload any existing information or state stored and display to the user the app as it last appeared. With some exceptions, most palm apps are doing this nicely (thanks to the simple way of doing this provided by the SDK!).

As a result, the end-user gets the same (or similar) experience as in the case if the OS is multi-tasked.

I'm sure there are those who want their memo-pad to continue to use up preciouse CPU cycles in the background and perhaps respond to some ghost-user input as well, but with the screen real-estate of the palm (or PPC), most apps do not need to do anything once it is in the background.

"Have a Nice day unless you have other plans" - Quoted from Buddhist Literature

But really, the MemoPad using CPU cycles is a straw man. There are instances where multitasking is useful. Must I list them and insult your intelligence by doing so? I'm sure you can think of a few on your own.

So the proper way to architect multitasking on a PDA would be to provide enough background thread/task support for comms/media/security, etc., but not so much as to encourage lazy programmers to write more apps which just waste memory spinning in the background.

CJB

My psion died and went to PDA heaven. I hope its not jealous of my TG50

http://geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Dec/bpd20031223023206.htm

http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1815

http://brighthand.com/article/Survey_Palm_OS_Users_Have_Fewer_Problems

Now are you going to go whiiiiinnnne over there?

Oh, and check out the spin on that article especially *here*:

http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story.php?news_id=3601

You should send that site an award for their -- cough!cough! -- objectivity!

It's *very* interesting that pocketnow and ppcthoughts and ppcpassion do *not* cite the article. How very very very very VERY interesting! Don't you think so?

I am simply reporting the facts from an article that was published by another magazine. Neither do I ever claim one os is better than another or "bash" as you suggest. That is what is done by the trolls that post here from "pro-msft" sites.

ps - great point Mike!

-Ryan

They would *never* rake MS over the coals as I've raked Sony and Palm over them. Gotta protect their little kissy-kissy setups.

("My God! BillG gave me an *autographed picture* for Xmas!")

Notice the name of the site: PALM Infocenter.

If you want to go marching around glorifying PPC OS then go to another site. I don't come to PIC to listen to a bunch of PPC trolls talk it up. Talk is cheap, bring your proof next time...oh wait you don't want to spend the time/money to create a survey such as this one because the data would probably point to PalmOS.

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"Disclaimer: while we sympathize with Microsoft´s efforts in cell phone industry, we are however interested in long-term success of Microsoft powered cell phones (Microsoft Smartphone and Pocket PC Phone Edition), that is why we are revealing problems, rather than hiding them... Several websites that are being run by so called MVPs (Microsoft Valued Professionals) are not allowed to publish such information, but we, being an indepentent publication, can do it! Watch msmobiles.com regularly for more revealing stories about Microsoft powered cell phones! You will not find such stories elsewhere because either people are totally anti-Microsoft and understand Microsoft technologies only superficially, or are restricted by Microsoft and cannot publish such stories. We can."

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/1870.html

Now, let's see... aren't the webmasters of ppcthoughts, ppcpassion, and pocketnow MS MVPs?

"...or are restricted by Microsoft and cannot publish such stories."

Oh, I see now! Thank you, Big Brother!

(Let's see someone from palmOne or PalmSource try to get away with sh*t like that *here*. Won't happen!)

So much for defending under dog eh?

Now please put your tail between your hind legs and scram.

There are reasons for each platform. Even the Linuxed Zaurus.

But neither of those two match the simplicity or the *reliability* of PalmOS's PIMs.

That's is PalmOS's strength -- and maybe its downfall too...

Ryan: You regularly post pro-Palm anti-PPC articles. I just browsed one from November of last year a couple of days ago. There were comments in the response column to that effect, even back then (discussing Ed's objectivity and your seeming lack thereof - which is telling, because I've gone on record at BH of saying Ed needs MORE objectivity).

The bottom line is, this article (that was readily quoted here with additional comments by PIC) reflects something we already know - not that PPCs are inherently less reliable or more poorly made, but more complex and not as easy to use as your basic Palm Zire. I challenge any magazine or website to pit a Sony CLIE NR/NX/NZ against your average (or top line) PPC and see how the average consumer fares in using each to their fullest potential.

Mike, I'm glad you're not an e805 owner (although you'd never know it from your mass postings in the Toshiba forum at BH). I can only imagine the amount of spazzy horsepucky we'd have to wade through every day from you if you actually OWNED one. I'd fear for Bill Gates' life if anything actually went wrong (as you seem to continue to operate under the fantasy that he is the evil PPC overlord and any of us who speak non-critically of the platform are 'shills').

Get real, guys. It's as the previous poster put it. You get what you prefer if it does the job better. I have both because I have many jobs (like being the biggest geek I can be).

Here's another theory: Palm devotees love to claim a kind of quasi political/ethical superiority by swearing off Microsoft powered PDAs (despite their dependence and investment in desktop MS software). When a PPC pops up with a new feature, they firmly and with piety that would make the Pope cringe, proclaim that feature to be frivolous or unnecessary. This was true of, let's see... Color, high res screens, expansion memory, swappable Lithium batteries, MP3 playback, headphone jacks, multimedia, d-pads... etc. -- I've already seen some of the more hardcore Palm fans dismissing VGA on a handheld as 'excessively high resolution'. LOL!

C'mon, fellow geeks... We're all sort of on the same team, anyway. Merry Christmas and may all your presents be PALMS! ;)

That would be me. Taking into account VGA can have higher resolution videos, pictures, games, and the like, I definitely think it's too high because of the battery power required. HVGA is already bad enough with power. Look at the TT3 - can't even last four hours. Imagine putting VGA in that! No way. I like it that OEM's are trying to pick up where Microsoft stopped, but VGA may be going a little too far. (And battery life seems fine on the e805 because it's got a monster battery - I've heard it enough.. but you won't see a VGA H4155 anytime soon)

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

until you post your NX launchers, and it shows 80% of your apps are games! (I am still laughing)

----- now for this "support problem".

Shall we also upzip and measure?

>>>I'm a shill? So does that mean YOU'RE a shill in the PPC forums on BH? LOL.

Not a shill for Palm. Or PalmOS. Show me the kind of PalmOS cultist postings I've made over there that PPC users engage in *here*.

>>>Ryan: You regularly post pro-Palm anti-PPC articles. I just browsed one from November of last year a couple of days ago.

Too bad you didn't supply an URL. Was he again *referencing* an article posted elsewhere? And, hey, what about all those idiotic Gartner forecasts that constantly predict Palm's funeral under PPC? I notice the Big Three Cult Sites (thoughts, passion, now) regularly make sure to *reference* them.

>>>There were comments in the response column to that effect, even back then (discussing Ed's objectivity and your seeming lack thereof - which is telling, because I've gone on record at BH of saying Ed needs MORE objectivity).

Well, if Steve is to be believed, Ed is happily using a Toshi GENIO now.

>>>The bottom line is, this article (that was readily quoted here with additional comments by PIC) reflects something we already know - not that PPCs are inherently less reliable or more poorly made, but more complex and not as easy to use as your basic Palm Zire. I challenge any magazine or website to pit a Sony CLIE NR/NX/NZ against your average (or top line) PPC and see how the average consumer fares in using each to their fullest potential.

Oh, I'll give you the bottom line right here to that comparison --

PIMS: Palm - excellent, PPC - awful
Everything else: Palm - awful, PPC - excellent

Now show me just *ONE* PPC Cultist who''l admit that the PIMs for PPC are just crap!

>>>Mike, I'm glad you're not an e805 owner (although you'd never know it from your mass postings in the Toshiba forum at BH).

Mass postings? As opposed to your overweening egocentric look-at-me-I-*used*-to-be-a-game-tester-at-Lucas novella-length posts?

>>>I can only imagine the amount of spazzy horsepucky we'd have to wade through every day from you if you actually OWNED one. I'd fear for Bill Gates' life if anything actually went wrong (as you seem to continue to operate under the fantasy that he is the evil PPC overlord and any of us who speak non-critically of the platform are 'shills').

I've never said average users who like PPC are shills. You *know* who the shills and cultists are. Maybe you are even one of them (judging from how you go out of your way to defend PPC on PIC!). Don't fear for Gates' life. Fear for the lives of the millions who suffer under his crapware dominion.

>>>Get real, guys. It's as the previous poster put it. You get what you prefer if it does the job better. I have both because I have many jobs (like being the biggest geek I can be).

I'd say you were the biggest something else...

>>>Here's another theory: Palm devotees love to claim a kind of quasi political/ethical superiority by swearing off Microsoft powered PDAs (despite their dependence and investment in desktop MS software).

I've made that point to Ryan in private emails many times. "Are all PIC users Mac owners? Don't they use Windows? What's this bizarre schizo hatred?"

>>>When a PPC pops up with a new feature, they firmly and with piety that would make the Pope cringe, proclaim that feature to be frivolous or unnecessary. This was true of, let's see... Color, high res screens, expansion memory, swappable Lithium batteries, MP3 playback, headphone jacks, multimedia, d-pads... etc. -- I've already seen some of the more hardcore Palm fans dismissing VGA on a handheld as 'excessively high resolution'. LOL!

And I hope those morons are very happy with the latest version of the Zire. It has nothing to distract them: no color, no MP3, no video capability, and no storage on card!

ah, but you have front page material to bash PPC. :) You think you can get away with it. hah...

>>> Too bad you didn't supply an URL. Was he again *referencing* an article posted elsewhere?

Upi mean like this? (of course it has been down lately since PPC marketshare start to look seriously big compared to back in the days, a year ago)
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4562

>>> Well, if Steve is to be believed, Ed is happily using a Toshi GENIO now.
Steve will say anything as long as it's a paying customer. Ed is a total pamiehead. He'll pull a stunt of double standard and put different weight on headlines just to make Palm sounds ok. (eg. he wrotes 3-5 mention on Dell late releasing OS update, while didn't make a peep about SD debacle until 3 weeks later after developer confirmation and after that only menation "palm need user help" instead of Palm screwing up like he would in Dell/PPC case. (there are plenty more examples)

>PIMS: Palm - excellent, PPC - awful

BS! open a forum thread and make your case! (or is this similar hogwash claim like PALM has excellent battery life, PPC sucks. But strangely no palm users dare to post battery log for straight up comparison. lol. let's do this pal. feature by feature, tap by tap, data by data)

>>> I've made that point to Ryan in private emails many times. "Are all PIC users Mac owners? Don't they use Windows? What's this bizarre schizo hatred?"

It's a simple case, palm1o fan would make up myth and spin and bash PPC performance. Are you denying you didn't do it? lol. Your article are still on database pal, it CONTAINS factual error. And AFAIK, it ha been retracted or corrected.

but keep it up there, I like free entertainment. Each year as POS stumbling into the same path PPC has gone thourh. I'll do my "I told you so" poke in the eyes. And you, my dear, is going to eat a lot of crow next year.

"Why I Won't Be Buying a Pocket PC," you mean? I still stand by it. *Nothing* in that article is untrue or wrong. As I pointed out in another post, the Cult Boyz at PPCT *finally* admitted alarms are *UNRELIABLE* on PPC.

>>>Upi mean like this? (of course it has been down lately since PPC marketshare start to look seriously big compared to back in the days, a year ago)
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4562

Ryan sent me that article to proof before he ran it. I pointed out several things I disagreed with and several things I thought he shouldn't state because he'd wind up looking foolish later. He chose to ignore me. Eh.

>PIMS: Palm - excellent, PPC - awful

>>>BS! open a forum thread and make your case! (or is this similar hogwash claim like PALM has excellent battery life, PPC sucks. But strangely no palm users dare to post battery log for straight up comparison. lol. let's do this pal. feature by feature, tap by tap, data by data)

Yawn. The case has been made elsewhere. The best one is here:

http://tinyurl.com/yqy7t

Read it, ska. Edumacate yourzizzle.

Oh -- and about those *ADMITTEDLY UNRELIABLE ALARMS* in PPC? *That* is your idea of excellence in PIMs?

>>>It's a simple case, palm1o fan would make up myth and spin and bash PPC performance. Are you denying you didn't do it? lol. Your article are still on database pal, it CONTAINS factual error. And AFAIK, it ha been retracted or corrected.

URL? Where? What hallucinatory are you currently taking?

>>>but keep it up there, I like free entertainment. Each year as POS stumbling into the same path PPC has gone thourh. I'll do my "I told you so" poke in the eyes. And you, my dear, is going to eat a lot of crow next year.

Crow is still better than *your* diet.

Huh? You quite your consulting job because "they" (I'm assuming you mean your employer) adopted Pocket PC? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You're either making that story up, or you are the most irrational and unprofessional consultant ever to leave the biz.

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yeah right. You must be the only one on the planet who has PPC that can accept HWR input on the slider. lol. Even Bosco quit posting around a link to that article after figuring out how wacky the article claims are.

>>> Ryan sent me that article to proof before he ran it. I pointed out several things I disagreed with and several things I thought he shouldn't state because he'd wind up looking foolish later. He chose to ignore me. Eh.

Two fools don't amount to much.

>> http://tinyurl.com/yqy7t
Read it, ska. Edumacate yourzizzle.

Excuse me sir. That article is dated november 2000. LOL
isn't it a bit... ehrr ancient?

eg. Bug me has been ported to PPC since then, PI and AF also weren't available around that time. Most of PPC apps mentioned on that article are either defunk, receive major upgrades, or have been replaced with more superior alternative.

but amusingly enough, the apps for Palm haven't changed much.

Yes, but it wasn't on a PPC site. That's kind of the point he was trying to make.

>>Steve will say anything as long as it's a paying customer. Ed is a total pamiehead. He'll pull a stunt of double standard and put different weight on headlines just to make Palm sounds ok. (eg. he wrotes 3-5 mention on Dell late releasing OS update, while didn't make a peep about SD debacle until 3 weeks later after developer confirmation and after that only menation "palm need user help" instead of Palm screwing up like he would in Dell/PPC case. (there are plenty more examples)

I'm not a big BrightHand fan either, but judging from the amount of time you spend there, you must seriously love it. Just like you really love it here at PIC since you take an IP ban and a final warning by the webmaster lightly and continue insulting him. Maybe I'll see you on the 10 o'clock news tonight in cuffs as the cops are taking you in on harassment charges of a local webmaster. I can hear ska's cries now, "PLEASE! YOU CAN HAVE ME, BUT LEAVE THE BLOWUP DOLLS ALONE!"

Honestly - do you spend more time at PPC sites or Palm OS sites?

>>BS! open a forum thread and make your case! (or is this similar hogwash claim like PALM has excellent battery life, PPC sucks. But strangely no palm users dare to post battery log for straight up comparison. lol. let's do this pal. feature by feature, tap by tap, data by data)

When are you going to learn nobody cares? Can't you accept the fact that he prefers the usability of Palm's PIM and doesn't like PPC's? Why does someone always need to provide proof? It's as if disliking PPC is impossible. That must be the same reason why when someone posts, "I've used both and I prefer Palm," you always, ALWAYS accuse them of lying.

>>It's a simple case, palm1o fan would make up myth and spin and bash PPC performance. Are you denying you didn't do it? lol. Your article are still on database pal, it CONTAINS factual error. And AFAIK, it ha been retracted or corrected.

You are the worst offender of this yourself. When was the last time you acknowledged any achievement in the Palm OS platform?

Lord, how can you try to claim any validity to your accusations, predictions, and BS? You're an anonymous lunatic on an internet forum. Your inability to provide some real contact information so we can discuss this in a more appropriate place makes me wonder why you even bother spending days-on-end posting to people who don't like you at the site of an alternate platform about stuff nobody cares about.

I love being childish, but you are the epitome of immaturity. Even I shake my head in disgust at you.

>>Good God! Am I the only one that's bothered by the fact that people came here to argue on Christmas day?

It's fair game since it's the day after Christmas, now. ;)

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

oh wait, wait must be that Palm multimedia they are now so enamored with. grafitti invention? Xerox begs to differ apparently. Thumboard? Well RIMM sued and won.

The original Palm pilot I can give you, but since then?

please Bosco. let's be serious, Palm isn't even the first one putting integrated BT on handheld despite making the first noise and big one at that too.

After years of chest thumping, now reality is coming down hard on inferior palm product. And all you can do is scream....I am gonna sue you, I am gonna sue you. blow up doll, blow up doll...

okay. How about giving me convincing evidence that Palm is really superior. (hell at least mikecane tries, thos pathetically enough an article from 11/200. That's practically before the last ice age.)

very cute Bosco, mister Palm expert. I have to test your so alled are of expertise soon. The web app app you say?

for a person claiming not 'caring a bit' you sure put a lot of emotional energy on this. At least I am not conflicted and everybody knows that.

Seriously, I'm one of those who have owned both and have seen good and bad on both sides. However, there are a couple of comments that are incorrect I'd like to throw my opinion at. This does not mean I'm bashing anythin, as I provide support for both platforms as well.

"What Palm achievement? 2.5 hrs battery? stretch screen? frying SDcard? or that ever so usefull Palm SDIO slot?"

Obvious referrence to the T3: After the ROM update, most T3's get 4 to 6 hours continous runtime. Not stellar, but being a compact device it has a small battery. Fitting a 400Mhz processor in something smaller than a Palm V (except thickness) has it's penalty, but it's not 2.5 hours.

The stretch screen actually works out well for the users I know (mostly doctors and teachers). Small form factor unless you want all that screen area, which is only a click away. I personally do not think that having to reset a PPC to change orientation is the right way to do things. Palm got this feature right despite lacking a standard API at release time.

In regards to the frying SD cards, I was in there with the rest about the T3 being a card toaster. Although Palm never gave the internal details of their fix, I thinks it's safe to say the SanDisk SD card controllers could not handle the speed. Slowing down the write speed seems to be part of the resolution for handling the weaker cards: an updated T3 benchmarks at only 58% for the write function, but at least the SanDisk cards can handle it now. The other functions are still absurdly fast, like DB import at 887% and File seek at 1180%

BTW: Some folks never use the SDIO capabilities, but some use it everyday. But it is a moot point and does not prove anything because SDIO is becomming standard across the board.

"Plus by now, all PPC applications are better than anything POS can muster in almost all category except obscure hobbyist apps."

Nope, not there yet. Matter of fact, it is the mainstream apps that are significantly poorer. Palm apps like AcidImage, DTG, MobileDB, SmartList, SnapperMail, and a host of others hardly fall into the "obscure hobbyist" category. Building a relational database with lookup tables, db joins, and field expressions right on the handheld is an example of real work in the real world.

http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38539

Look again. None of the software you mention even come close competing in their categories.

Hold it right there, wench. You win arguments because I let you go, not because you have me beat. You're never going to drag the best out of me no matter how many times you reply yelling and taunting. Remember about a year ago in the depths of the BrightHand forums, we held a small contest to see who could fit the most "yada"s on the screen at one time, since you kept talking about how QVGA on a PPC could display more data than HVGA on Palm? I think I fit in 520 in WordSmith with very very light sub-pixel font rendering, and you tried real hard and fit in something like 538 and started going off about how you won the argument. I laughed and left the thread. The fact remains that I could have decreased the font size. I could have decreased it a lot more so that there could have been 1000 yadas written legibly there. But after a while of being pissed off at you and your BS comments, I cooled off and took it lightly. You know, let you have the benefit of the doubt so you look stupid when I tell you how easy I let you go (like now).

I'm glad I haven't really kicked your ass to oblivion more than a couple times. I don't go to these forums to prove how strong my NX is. I do it to optimize it, make it better, fill it with better applications, make it more useful, and the like. All you want to do is profess how great yours is and how bad mine is. Sounds to me like you're convincing yourself more than anybody else.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

Man, it really bothers you, doesn't it? It's like a game of poker. Am I bluffing? Am I telling the truth? What if I'm right? What if I've been right all along and have been messing with your mind this whole time? How do you know? You don't, because you'll never experience Palm OS beyond GIF screenshots on developer websites.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

He is also using the Pixelator and Courante accounts.

Dude, get real, move on and stop posting here. You're very unwelcome. Go have some fun troubleshooting your handheld and editing your registry settings. You're beating a horse that died long ago.

Is this verified, Ryan?

>>otherwise rubbing my hands in glee over the length of this thread!<<

>>>http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38539

Thanks. Geez, everyone go look at that thread. Check out the 4th Textmaker screensnap. To have *that* on PalmOS with double-tap/drag capability ...

... and, hmmm, don't I see the words "Palm Guru" on that screen snap? Heh-heh...

Well, this certainly reads like his, er, handiwork! --

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/1872.html

Think about this - ska can't write if his life depended on it. That MSMobiles article is definitely his. I would hazard a guess that he would put his fullest effort into making it sound grammatically correct (even though many mistakes fell through the cracks). Pixelator at least sounds like he has a vocabulary and doesn't skip articles (a, an, the) before nouns in the classic style of ska. Do you think ska would really mess up his professional MSMobiles article on purpose and talk under Pix like normal (which has better vocab) just to be two separate people? I wouldn't think so.

Pix can be rational. Ska can't. Let's just put it that way.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

I have never been in Iraq in my life.

Neither has Saddam Hussein!

Looking back now two years later, that company's URL is no longer active, the phone lines are disconnected and none of the managers are willing to talk to me. When I finally tracked down a former employee, I feel redeemed that I was right all along.

I don't know what kind of consultants you are used to work with, buy my peers consider my move very professional and responsible. Hell, I don't even list these guys on my Past Clients List since it was such a bomb.

QED

Ah, adventures in conSLUTancy (I had to cap the transposition for The Dim). Been there myself. Guess what? It NEVER, EVER ends!

LOL, OTF, ROTFL, ROFLMHO, ROTFLAS, ROTFLSHISMC, COTFLGUOAHAHA!

I do appreciate the votes of confidence from sparring partners abosco and Mike. Thanks for seeing past our differences of PDA opinion and elevating me at least to some degree of lucidity. ;)

Candy canes all around.

Yeah, Ryan. Jeez! Do you realize how many nasty comments I had ready to post in case this accusation turned out to be true?

And Pix, I had a hard time believing you were Ska. We may have disagreed with each other in the past. But I never thought you would be capable of such Trollery. ;-)

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Second of all, apology accepted - but I don't see what one has to do with the other. You may be upset with SKA/whoever he is for spoofing accounts, but that isn't me. I think that, while you may disagree with my previous statement, it doesn't make it any more OK for you to call me a SKA clone/troll/spoofer. I don't consider his activity on PIC even remotely similar to mine.

gee foo, how sweet of you. lol.
that after swearing left and right without thinking first right after the announcement? You were actually accepting a conclusion made by somebody with dubious news reputation.

like I say, not sure if you read it before it got erased. If you don't believe me, you can try logging in with new account and start posting anything beyond cheerleading tune and see how fast your account get deleted.

Swearing left and right? I only posted one comment.

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Well you sure as hell like the site. You probably spend more time here than Ryan.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

Sure. I've owned more Palms than you. Next.

>>Well, if Steve is to be believed, Ed is happily using a Toshi GENIO now.

Not exclusively.

>>Oh, I'll give you the bottom line right here to that comparison --

>PIMS: Palm - excellent, PPC - awful
>Everything else: Palm - awful, PPC - excellent

>Now show me just *ONE* PPC Cultist who''l admit that the PIMs for PPC are just crap!

Maybe because you're full of crap, yourself? OEM PIM on PPC is no worse than OEM PIM on Palm. We can get into it on a proper forum if you like. Here it's kind of cramped.

>>Mass postings? As opposed to your overweening egocentric look-at-me-I-*used*-to-be-a-game-tester-at-Lucas novella-length posts?

*I* haven't written long rambling articles under the false assumption that anyone gives a rat's ass as to why I refuse to buy a PPC...

>>I've never said average users who like PPC are shills. You *know* who the shills and cultists are.

And there are no Palm shills? Come on.

>>I'd say you were the biggest something else...

Oh, argh! The pain!

>>I've made that point to Ryan in private emails many times. "Are all PIC users Mac owners? Don't they use Windows? What's this bizarre schizo hatred?"

I ask myself that.

>>And I hope those morons are very happy with the latest version of the Zire. It has nothing to distract them: no color, no MP3, no video capability, and no storage on card!

OK, so we don't disagree on everything. Just as Rodan and Godzilla once teamed up, I guess there can be hope for us, as well.

Ska, it isn't so much WHAT you say as HOW MANY times you say it. That's what drives everyone nuts. You keep trying to spread Pocket PC gospel to a group that doesn't care. This is a Palm fan site, you aren't going to find many people interested in PPC here. Brighthand would a better place to post your arguments.

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Too late. He hit them like the Bubonic Plague at the same time as PIC! What a nightmare.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

true, admitedly it's a bit harsh at times, but necessary. It has nothing to do with spreading the gospel, but subduing these plebs. They can go to PDA hell if they want to, I wouldn't care. But they must be subdued.

Necessary? Not at ALL!! Are you another person who hacks a website just to show the webmaster they have a security hole?

That's probably the worst reason for justifying trolling I've ever heard. Why can't you just be more like Pixelator? (Whoa.. never thought I would say that)

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

Face it, Palm and PocketPC are both reliving history: the Palm camp, like the Apple camp, thinks they are way ahead PocketPC, but in reality, both are shipping outdated technology and are way behind what is technologically possible.

Foma is always on network.

Er, this (Resfix) has been out for WEEKS. What you're looking at is simply the new rev which supports Landscape mode, something I already achieved with Nyditot on my e805 (without resetting).

DAMN! Jealous, much? At least Abosco and Mike give this thing its due and have some grasp of the real pros and cons of Palms/PPCs... But it's diehard PPC-hating Palmboosters like you that amuse the hell out of me. Relax and light another candle on your shrine or something. Don't get wax on that screen, tho.