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A leaked photograph and details of a new palmOne Zire model has been posted on a popular Chinese PDA message-board. The shows a palmOne branded Zire 31, with a blue case, color screen, SD slot and a 200 MHz Intel CPU. Additional rumors point to a upcoming wireless TE 2.
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Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!

mikecane @ 1/6/2004 3:42:04 PM #
>>>There are additional unverifiable rumors from the same source on a next generation TE handheld. Internal called the TE 2, it is rumored to have built-in Bluetooth, a 320 x 480 wide-screen display, and a Intel processor.

But -- just BT?! *NO* WiFi?

So...

1) Will the Sandisk WiFi SD be ready?

or

2) Is it really the TT*4* I want?

320x480 with *no* slider is a Good Thing!

RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
abosco @ 1/6/2004 3:44:44 PM #
Quit your bickering and buy an e805, already!

This is BEAUTIFUL! Total chaos today! :D New hardware looks very impressive, and dare I say, more competitive.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 3:51:58 PM #
The e8xx is the size of Papa iPaq, aka The Brick!

RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
Foo Fighter @ 1/6/2004 3:54:39 PM #
The only thing that would keep be from buying the E2 would be if it's made of the same cheap faux metal finish as the existing E.

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RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
Foo Fighter @ 1/6/2004 3:54:39 PM #
Glad I sent the Zodiac 2 back....and held off buying the T3. Good things DO come to those who wait. We'll see.

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RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
Timothy Rapson @ 1/6/2004 7:23:36 PM #
I'm in. A 320 by 480 TE for what...$275? list would probably get my $$$. I wouldn't even care if it was the 144 MZ TI chip of the any other ARM, they are all plenty quick enough for me. I like the removable battery and full 64 MB that the HP 1935 comes with, but I would probably pay $225-250 (street) for a TE with no removable battery, no UIC, no bluetooth or WiFi. I just want more ARM power, more memory, smaller size, without giving up HVGA of my current Clie NR70V. I don't mind the cheesy finish of the TE, but I don't like the shape. Don't pile on, but I didn't like the shape of the Palm V. It looked marvelous. Perhaps the best looking PDA ever. Stunning. But, to pick one up was to wonder what in the world they were thinking. People don't grab PDAs from the middle. They rest them from the bottom on their palms. So why is the TE so wide at the bottom? There surely isn't any part of the motherboard that needs to be wider at the bottom like that!

But, uncomfortable shape or not, I am in.

RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
Purfekshunist @ 1/7/2004 12:56:45 PM #
I'm there!!!

I don't care about lack of WiFi (although it would be good), lack of UC (don't like it, anyway - feels so unnatural when removing it from the cradle), or even the cheap faux metal finish (a white finish, like the Zire/Zire 21, would be perfect). I just want 320 x 480 in a slim case without a slider.

I've also been thinking about upgrading my m515 to a Tungsten E (low cost, great form factor) or even T3 (320 x 480) in the meantime, until someone comes out with the PalmOS PDA of my dreams, but now I'll just wait and hope the rumors are true. I hope palmOne sees this as an incentive to get a sliderless 320 x 480 model out quickly, rather than as a cannibalization of current sales.

Please let the rumors be true!

no WiFi
mj6798 @ 1/8/2004 10:11:51 AM #
But -- just BT?! *NO* WiFi?

Why would there be WiFi? To make the thing heavier and drain the battery faster?

BT is there for connecting to your phone and laptop and for wireless hotsync. It works like a charm. It's far easier to configure than WiFi for the average user and, unlike WiFi, it's actually secure all by itself. You can even get BT access points if you want to get onto your LAN.

WiFi makes little sense for PDAs as long as it is as expensive, bulky, and power-hungry as it is today.

RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:14:54 PM #
>>>Why would there be WiFi? To make the thing heavier and drain the battery faster?

>>>WiFi makes little sense for PDAs as long as it is as expensive, bulky, and power-hungry as it is today.

>slaps head!< Yeah, you're right! Those MORONS at hp! How DARE they cram BOTH BT *and* WiFi into that itty-bitty teensy-weensy makes-a-TungE-look-like-a-fekkin-BRICK hp iPaq 41xx series?!

I mean, geez, the NERVE of some people shattering your illusions like that!


RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
swinginjonny @ 1/12/2004 2:26:56 PM #
I have wifi on two PDAs, a wifi network at home and one at work. It's still fairly useless. Until hotspots become more prevalent there's no reason to have wifi on a handheld. Whenever I'm close enough to use the wifi, I'm within 1000 ft of my computer. I'd rather do it all there. Bluetooth allows me to connect through a cell-phone when I'm NOT 1000 ft from my computer making it really useful. It's a lot more practical on a PDA, says I.
I just can't figure why folks make such a big deal about wifi on a handheld.

(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
The Black Moose @ 2/2/2004 7:36:16 PM #
E2, 'cheap faux metal' case... Why don't anyone who has a problem with this just hide back in the past with the m100 series when you could change the faceplate? Then you could choose your color.

If pda color was such a big deal, palm could boost many sales simply from reviving the changeable faceplate. I never bothered with it, but it did not seem like such a bad idea.

I am really beginning to despise windows. Windows, get out of the mobile devices, you can keep your desktop OS.

They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?

somas1 @ 1/6/2004 4:02:24 PM #
This can't be right.

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
DWD @ 1/6/2004 4:06:11 PM #
I agree...that makes absolutely no sense.

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
abosco @ 1/6/2004 4:09:28 PM #
Treo 600 has it. The Zire 31 looks like it'll be price anywhere from $100-$150. You can't have everything. It already has 16 MB, 200 MHz, and an SDIO slot. While hi-res would be nice, I'm not pushing it.

But in any case, from the looks of the launcher, it doesn't look low-res. May just be the low resolution of the picture.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
hoodoo @ 1/6/2004 4:16:45 PM #
It will be cheap!

I wonder if the 21 will be retired as a result of the 31 coming out. Here is the entry level colour Palm everybody wants. Maybe the screen is the exact same one as the Treo 600, that would make sense from aqvolume standpoint.

It would seriously cannabilize (sp?) T|E sales if it was 320x320, assuming the T|E isn't being retired. It still gets the new user on to the upgrade cycle; I'm sure this is P1's strategy here.

One prediction for Mike Cane in the bag!!

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
robrecht @ 1/6/2004 4:45:03 PM #
$100 color would be a killer model. If Palm can do that, then they're definitely back.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
Palm Cow @ 1/6/2004 6:56:54 PM #
I think that the photo is 160*160 ... my friend's m515's screen looks like that.

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RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
Timothy Rapson @ 1/6/2004 7:37:46 PM #
I say it is going to be 160 by 160. For $150. This is the model they would have presented last Fall to replace the M130 but they had too many M130s still in stock.

It looks like they will have three models below $200, the TE at $200, the 31 at $150 and the 21 at $100. I would expect them to drop the 21 down to $80 for the Spring or offer some other $20 premium. That would give PalmOne a nice spread at the low end. They would also have the TE at the HP 1935's $200 price (a bad deal for PalmOne comparing the specs), the TE2 at the HP 1940s $300 price, and the T3 at the HP 2210's $400 price. A new TC replacement with HVGA instead of the keyboard but with both WiFi and BlueTooth might match the HP 4130-35 (are those the right numbers?) at $450. That would make an extraordinary head to head market battle. Of course, the new Zire 71 replacement would have to fit in there somewhere. A million or so sales of those could give PalmOne some very good sales numbers vs HP who have no such model.

I thought Palms lineup for Fall 2003 was good. This is steller.

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
Palm Cow @ 1/6/2004 9:11:17 PM #
err...I personally think that palmOne will:

Price the Z|31 at $100 and lower the Z|21 to $80, Z|m150 to $59
Lower the T|E to $250
Price the T|E2 at $200

The T|E2s would sell like hotcakes. I won't buy it at $300.

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RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
hotpaw4 @ 1/7/2004 2:35:31 AM #
Makes sense. Their product line could use something with enough more features than the Z21 to fill the gap around the $150 price point, but clearly less desirable compared to the T|E so it won't cannibalize sales of the more profitable product.
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
twizza @ 1/8/2004 2:08:36 AM #
To those that were wondering if this is going to be 160/160 or not:
I took a good look at the pics and it seems that this will be a hi-res screen. My reasoning lies in the part of the screen where the time is. On the TW all of the icons and scroll bars look hi res until you look at the area of the screen where the time is. It is quite blocky in my opinion. The pics of the Z31 do not reveal this blockiness. Therefore I am thinking that this will be a $150-$170 hi res PDA. No expansion slot though. This seems to be the PDA for those that need a color screen and space but no more than maybe 8mb ram. If it has 16megs then PalmOne has a heck of a home run. But, without a headphone jack, I dont know. If this has an expansion slot and a headphone jack, PalmONe will have the iPod killer. This device plus a PCMall.com $70 256MB card is a steal. More than likley though, PalmOne plays this model as a color sticky notes and charges the $150-170.

As for the TE2; I wanna see if it has BT. Personally, for PalmOne to leave the Tungsten line with a slew of BT PDAs, it will do well to its marketshare. Without BT, do not charge more than $250; but then drop the T3 to $350 because of the Mhz, RAM, and BT.

Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com

Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)

if PalmOS would actually support it...
mj6798 @ 1/8/2004 10:15:05 AM #
A color screen, in principle, could give you much better monochrome text and graphics than an equivalent b/w screen, using anti-aliasing and ClearType-like technologies.

But graphics under PalmOS remains stuck in the dark ages: no anti-aliasing and no ClearType.

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
feed_sheep @ 1/8/2004 10:57:03 PM #
Looking at the pictures - how can you tell whether it is 320x320 or 160x160?

Also, does anybody besides me see the white plating around the blue plate - somewhat similar to the Z71? Could this have a camera?

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
twizza @ 1/9/2004 9:45:12 PM #
I dont know about Palm devices needing ClaerType. My Z71 is very sharp in compairson to PPC models. Mainly becasue the pixels are compressed into a smaller area. Therefore there is a sharper screen without needing any pixel enhancing elements.

About the grey/silver trim on the outside. The other Zire models have the two tone color scheme going. plus, the Z31 doesnt have the depth that the Z71 has. That plus its number designation says to me that this model does not have a camera.

Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com

Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)

RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
Timothy Rapson @ 1/12/2004 7:43:13 AM #
When talking about possible clear-type style font enhancements I am sure MJ6798 and the others are assuming low-res.

You can in fact see such an enhancement on your hi-res Palm with WordSmith, which I use everyday. Wordsmith's FineType technology softens font stairstepping in a way very much like ClearType. I expect it does some good for low res Palms, but I can scarcely tell the difference on my Clie.

I don't like these hacks anyway. I think it only makes the text look blurry, but I may just be too aware of it and if someone didn't even know what it was or how it worked it might make the text look better to them.

I look for the Zire 31 to be low res. If it is hi-res there is no longer any need for the TE. Either way, I would not expect to see Palm suddenly include system-wide clear-type-style font anti-aliasing.

Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!

hkklife @ 1/6/2004 4:41:21 PM #
I am really getting sick and tired of this!
WHAT good is a connector called "universal" if 1/3 or 1/4 of your product line cannot use it?

If an average consumer goes into Target and sees a Zire, Zire21, (and soon to be Zire31) and T|E to choose from, they will logically assume that a cradle bought at any electronic or computer store will work with their new model. I've had 3 neophyte coworkers/colleagues buy Palms (all Zires or T|E's, btw) within the past few months based on my enthusiasm and my T2/T3 experience. Two of the three have given up and returned or sold their units because of the lack of a cradle and/or general peripheral confusion.

It's sickening to see a major entity like Palm have to keep revising their packaging and/or putting little stickers on their boxes to show which models can and cannot work with a certain accessory.

In fact, they should just go ahead and relegate all Zire-branded models to the USB/DC ghetto and revise the T|E2 with a UC. Then at least everyone can know in advance they are going to be shortchanged and have a crippled, unexpandable handheld when they purchase something in the Zire line.

I think all of this confusion and incompatability is cheaping what little luster the brand has left. Palm should drop all monochrome models and eliminate overlap in their handhelds if they have any chance of hanging in there. One near-miss after another...

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
IndyDave @ 1/6/2004 4:56:22 PM #
I coulnd't agree more...perfect replacement for my m515 used for pharmacy, but what's the deal with the non-UC connector? I really don't get it...and the wait goes on and on. And I thought the original post said E2 resolution at 320X480 not 320X320 as stated later. Which is it? The virtual Graf. area is what I'm looking for in next handheld.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
IndyDave @ 1/6/2004 5:01:01 PM #
Okay, maybe hoodoo was talking about the new Zire having 320/320 and cannabilizing TE sales. Now I think I'm more sickened by the lack of UC. WAHHHH!!!

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
hoodoo @ 1/6/2004 5:05:20 PM #
Yes I was.

It's called evolution
somas1 @ 1/6/2004 5:10:19 PM #
I don't care for the UC and hope it dies so that real universal standards (possibly usb or bluetooth) become the norm. If you are right in believing the uc is so important, then people won't buy non-uc handhelds. If you are wrong, then the uc will die its intended death.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
mr_yellow @ 1/6/2004 5:22:59 PM #
There is a small number of us PDA users that have invested probably just as much money in peripherials as the PDA itself.

the UC is a great idea for consumers because it lets us save money from buying yet another keyboard or camera or whatnot. the UC *should* be a good idea for the manufacturers since it lowers the cost of the upgrade allowing them to sell more newer handhelds.

BUT, the simple fact is, peripherials and accessories probably make more money than the PDA's themselves. sorta like Console gaming systems and thei'r overpriced games.

I personally am waiting for the next big thin UC palm so i can ditch my crappy HP1910 and come back home to PalmOS. My old stowaway keyboard is itching to be used again! But at the rate Palm is going, that'll never happen. the UC will probably be relagated to the tungsten line and will probably even be phased out of the future zires.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
somas1 @ 1/6/2004 6:04:48 PM #
I agree that a universal connector is a great boon for consumers. The closest we have gotten to a uc so far is infra red. The uc on Palmone and Sony handhelds so far have been a boon to peripheral makers and not consumers because these connectors need to be changed occasionaly so that new designs are possible. Bluetooth or usb accessories are more truly "universal" than the uc's we've been given so far.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
IndyDave @ 1/6/2004 9:06:01 PM #
I guess that is truly my issue with UC...either it's "universal" on palm stuff or it's not. Hearing both arguments, I don't have a problem replacing my keyboard IF usb is to be the new standard. I'm not keen on bluetooth or IR keyboards due to the battery requirements to maintain the connection. Mostly unfavorable feedback on IR doesn't excite me, and bluetooth isn't here yet is it?

Maybe TE2 will be the PDA I was looking for after all... Stupid question, but is the usb at least 2.0? (OK, stop laughing...it wasn't a joke).

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
somas1 @ 1/6/2004 9:26:03 PM #
I doubt the TE2 will have usb. I was simply saying good riddance to the current form of uc and I am hoping something like usb will replace it.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
skennedy1217 @ 1/7/2004 12:42:54 AM #
I, too, would like to see the UC die. My UC Stowaway keyboard won't stay latched closed anymore (worn out), so I'm probably going to upgrade to an IR or BT keyboard soon anyway.

I do have a UC modem, but with BT and my cell phone, who needs it anymore?

Also, I have the Palm UC travel charger. Ever try using the charger and the Palm at the same time? You have to hold the thing at the perfect angle or it won't charge. It also pops loose very easily.

I much prefer the charging slot that the T|E has, plus it comes with a travel charger already...the cradle I can live without...the ability to travel is essential.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
hkklife @ 1/7/2004 9:27:49 AM #
People seem to think that the only things that need to plug into their Palms should be sync cables and/or AC adapters. That's fine and dandy but there *is* a small (albeit vocal) group of users out there who use and need a serial/usb/charge multi-function plug like the UC. GPS, battery sleds (I could not fathom using my T3 on anything longer than a daytrip without it), serial cables (yes people still use RS232 connectors all of the time) for NT/95x etc connectivity. I also would rather not have to worry about yet another device to charge/power, so I'm perfectly content with a UC keyboard instead of anything like IR or BT, which would also diminish my Palm's battery as well.
Also, I imagine a cradle with a little power plug and a mini-usb plug sticking up would not only be ugly, but a pain to get a Palm properly seated on.

Now, everyone has a right to criticize Palm on certain issues. They should be criticized for not paying enough attention to the original design of the UC so that it holds attachments or peripherals more securely. Palm can also be criticized for not sharing the standard with more manufacturers--but then again, if they cannot even equip a good chunk of their own product line with it, how do you expect them to share the wealth? The Zodiac (IMHO) really took one on the nose (courtesy of Palm) by not having UC connectivity.
All in all, it's a flawed design, yes, but it's a necessary evil and should be adhered to as an absolute stand on every P0ne device henceforth released.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
alexp @ 1/7/2004 1:42:01 PM #
Interesting take on the UC. I've experienced the same problems as described above with the UC USB cable/charger sold by Palm. Even just sitting on a desk, it sometimes won't charge unless the angle is absolutely perfect.

Sadly, this is one area where the iPaq is far superior, in my experience. The iPaq connector has not changed since the 3700 series (the backward 1900 series notwithstanding), and it's a very solid, stable connector.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see HP license the PalmOS?

Anyway, I, too, would like to see the UC eliminated in favor of a more stable connector like a USB.

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
hkklife @ 1/7/2004 3:13:31 PM #
Everyone clamoring for a USB/mini-usb connector, settle down for a moment. Imagine yourself in Palm's shoes just briefly. Think of how many tech support inqueries they get already from people trying to attach mice/USB keyboards/modems/scanners/digicams (I've personally witnessed this at least once) to their Zires. Now go around telling people that a T3/T4 is a viable laptop replacement...you'll really have 'em trying to plug in flash card readers and everything else under the sun!

If anything, a revised "locking" UC would be nice. I keep thinking about the connector on the bottom of my Motorola v60 cell phone. It attaches so securely that I could plug in a charger and swing the phone around by the cord without it coming loose. Plus, USB & serial cables are available. Hey, come to think of it, imagine the genius of that concept--Palm and Motorola, the stalwarts of American portable electronics (*smirk*) teaming up for a multi-platorm, truly Universal connector! Carry one AC adapter to charge your cell and your Palm!

Palm's reluctance to cut off a nice revenue stream from aftermarked gadgetry ($50 illuminated mini cradles, for one) by omitting the UC on so many models is beyond me.

Additionally, as Palm and MDM continue to churn out titles pre-loaded on MMC, the non-expandable Zire and Zire21 continue to ring up sales. I think Palm could/should be crafty about this and have no Zire model with more than 8mb ram. That way, it'd practically force the purchase of expansion cards-potentially Palm-branded SD cards too, considering the amount of neophytes buying Zires to begin with!

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
Altema @ 1/7/2004 4:49:45 PM #
It's physically possible to make a locking connector for the UC, the metal tabs are there in addition to the the guide holes. I have one cable that locks on so tight that I can swing the device around on it. Most manufacturers choose to make do with flimsy sheet metal locking tabs, which do not hold securely. I have a pair from Belkin which need to be held in place by hand to work because they fit poorly. One data cable from Mark/Space only has spring tabs, yet fits so well my T3 is dangling over the edge of my desk right now (co-worker is giving me funny looks, guess I'd better pull it back up :)

It's all a matter of design and how much they want to spend or save. BTW, I'm one of those who requires USB plus RS232 plus power for external devices, so the UC is a necessity, or something equivalent that provides the same services.

If you think about it, palmOne only has two connectors right now: mini-USB for low end devices, UC for everything else. Of course, the TE2 is hard to fit into the "low end" classification!

The Solution: A Bluetooth Cradle
robman @ 1/7/2004 6:23:58 PM #
I think Palm's next big move will be to make all Palms include Bluetooth, and have a Bluetooth Cradle be an optional accessory. The cradle would just be a combination Bluetooth adapter and recharge station for your Palm. It would otherwise be a shelf with a couple of contacts for the recharging. It will probably even be UC-comptatible (but just for charging).



Palm Enthusiast since 1998

RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
hotpaw4 @ 1/8/2004 2:29:49 PM #
The wide connector cost more. But even more important, most people with UC accessories are willing and able to pay more for a UC device. So, my guess is that it'll stay on mostly high end and thus more profitable PalmOne devices.
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
twizza @ 1/9/2004 9:50:27 PM #
I have been reading all of the no-UC comments and I have to ask; isnt it possible that PalmOne is using this to get people into handhelds; therefore, them not having a cradle with the UC would say to them that they are more interested in the mobility of the device. The fact that this can trickle charge from the USB slot is great for many beginner users who will be taking the Z31 to and from work. I have a friend who wants a Zire21 jsut for that reason. The other point is that PalmOne has been marketing the Zire line as a replacement for paper planners. The less that they put onto a new user in terms of buttons, cradles, and abilities, the more likley they are to grab the non-techie user. My 2 cents are over. Have a blessed New Year everyone.

Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com

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w00t! Spring product run?

Palm Cow @ 1/6/2004 5:06:26 PM #
Will these be in their Spring product run (do you think)?

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Tungsten|e2

JKingGrim @ 1/6/2004 5:49:00 PM #
Tungsten E2
There are additional unverifiable rumors from the same source on a next generation TE handheld. Internal called the TE 2, it is rumored to have built-in Bluetooth, a 320 x 480 wide-screen display, and a Intel processor.

Bulverde?

RE: Tungsten|e2
jbeedham @ 1/7/2004 4:48:03 AM #
Tungsten E 2 may be the ultimate pda everyone has been waiting for. I was thinking of getting a Tungsten E but I may wait now. I hope the new one has the same price.

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RE: Tungsten|e2
Goshi @ 1/8/2004 12:17:35 PM #
How much it is cost?
If you think that PDA with Bluetooth and color screen
320x480 cost about $200 then you are wrong.
Look to Sony NX series

Might Goshi

Zire 31

UZI4U182 @ 1/6/2004 6:13:08 PM #
Damn, that thing is ugly!

UGLY!!!

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RE: Zire 31
Palm Cow @ 1/6/2004 6:55:23 PM #
I agree.

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RE: Zire 31
Timothy Rapson @ 1/6/2004 7:52:42 PM #
Looks OK to me. The blue is certainly better than the standard Zire white. The size and feel of the current Zires is nice, too. Lightweight, curves to fit in your hand. Comfy.

RE: Zire 31
davidtcollett @ 1/6/2004 8:24:27 PM #
I would much rather have the M515 than this...it seems like it is basically the same, save for the processor, os, and body.

RE: Zire 31
Courante @ 1/6/2004 8:58:51 PM #
It's not going to sell. it's too ugly.
Zire 31 LOOKS GREAT....
gfunkmagic @ 1/6/2004 11:36:56 PM #
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S <$100 USD! Seriously guys, this pda was never meant for the hard core users on this board anyways. It's probably going to be the 1st color pda w/SD slot for under $100 (at least I hope), and for that price I think it's pretty darned good!

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RE: Zire 31
LiveFaith @ 1/6/2004 11:41:01 PM #
You're right she's been beaten with an ugly stick. But, the m5xx aint winning any beauty contests. I have a 505 and I must admit my wife's Vx is much more elegant.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Zire 31
hotpaw4 @ 1/7/2004 2:32:12 AM #
Someone wrote:
> It's not going to sell. it's too ugly.

Just like the Zire/m150, and Zire 21 didn't sell? Yup, just like that...

RE: Zire 31
Courante @ 1/7/2004 10:12:54 AM #
Zire is actually not bad looking.

m130 is beyond ugly. Z21 doesn't sell. It's just a me-too model. They should bother with it.

RE: Zire 31
alexp @ 1/7/2004 1:50:31 PM #
I don't think it's that bad.

Come to think of it, looks kind of like the Sony TJ series...

RE: Zire 31
Lucky Bob @ 1/7/2004 1:54:06 PM #
"m130 is beyond ugly."

I have to disagree. I love the look of my m130.

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

RE: Zire 31
rsc1000 @ 1/11/2004 6:46:49 PM #
>>Z21 doesn't sell

How about you actually show some numbers before saying silly things. The Zire has sold in faster than any model of pda for any os. The zire 21 is the same thing but OS 5, faster ARM processor and more memory - but for the same price. Where is yr proof that this isnt selling?

RE: Zire 31
Timothy Rapson @ 1/12/2004 7:56:47 AM #
RE: Zire 31
davidtcollett @ 1/6/2004 8:24:27 PM WROTE:

"I would much rather have the M515 than this...it seems like it is basically the same, save for the processor, os, and body."


I would rather have an M515 than an HP 1935...it seems like it is basically the same save for the processor, os, and body.

Or:

I would rather have an M515 than a new Dell Windows desktop...it seems like it is basically the same, save for the processor, os, and body.

Or:

I would rather have an M515 than a new Minivan, forth child, new home, nice trip to the Bahamas....it seems it is basically the same save for the processor, os, and body.

Photo Update

Admin @ 1/6/2004 9:25:16 PM #
The image from TomPDA is no longer available!
RE: Photo Update
Palm Cow @ 1/6/2004 9:37:42 PM #
GAH! I knew I should have saved it ... did anyone?

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RE: Photo Update
abosco @ 1/6/2004 9:45:13 PM #
Do you remember the filename? It's all in my temporary internet folder, but I just need to find it. I also opened the page up with Mozilla in addition to IE6. Either one, I should be able to locate the file.

In any case, it's not like you'll be able to show it here. PalmOne will request that it be removed from here as well.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Photo Update
Jeffry @ 1/6/2004 10:43:45 PM #
Well, that tells alot about the credibility of the source doesn't it?
RE: Photo Update
abosco @ 1/6/2004 11:50:36 PM #
>>Well, that tells alot about the credibility of the source doesn't it?

Are you inferring that it wasn't credible because PalmOne removed it? Do you remember the last picture PalmOne removed from the internet? The Palm Oslo in July on PocketPCThoughts?

That PDA has all the correct signs of a PalmOne product. It even has the PalmOne brand name.

Rest assured - this is the product that'll be released in two months, if not earlier.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Where is the picture?
akhenaten @ 1/7/2004 2:01:42 AM #
My computer can't read chinese, hell I can't.

Does anyone have a pic? Post it here please! please!!!

RE: Photo Update
FullMoon @ 1/7/2004 4:48:04 AM #
The pictures of Zire 31(and text in polish, maybe more uunderstanding as chinese, are here: http://www.pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=7607
Its a polish pda site.

RE: Photo Update
JohnM @ 1/7/2004 8:47:22 AM #
Thanks for the pic link. Do you think the fact that
the screen is 160x160, means it will be 8bit color?
Part of me hopes so, for reasons I'd rather not speak
about until my SW is complete.


Independent Palm Software Developer

RE: Photo Update
a_nonamiss @ 1/7/2004 9:46:24 AM #
Excellent. Thanks for that mirror. If that one goes down, at least I saved the pics. :)

Arthur

Palm Pilot 1000 > Palm Pilot Professional > Palm III > Palm M100 > Sony Clié PEG-T415 > Palm T|T3

RE: Photo Update
palmhiker @ 1/7/2004 10:23:22 AM #
Now it seems the Polish site is down.

Can someone post these somewhere?

Thanks!

RE: Photo Update
ozz @ 1/7/2004 10:39:39 AM #
The Polish site works for me. I guess it's up again.
RE: Photo Update
Jeffry @ 1/7/2004 12:05:53 PM #
>> Are you inferring that it wasn't credible because PalmOne removed it? Do you remember the last picture PalmOne removed from the internet? The Palm Oslo in July on PocketPCThoughts?

That PDA has all the correct signs of a PalmOne product. It even has the PalmOne brand name.

Rest assured - this is the product that'll be released in two months, if not earlier.

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I am inferring that the source was RELIABLE, CREDIBLE , and ACCURATE. PalmOne wouldn't request removing a fake picture -- it's common sense.

RE: Photo Update
abosco @ 1/7/2004 3:12:06 PM #
Alright, just making sure! From your original post, I thought you were a nay-sayer.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Photo Update
Palm Cow @ 1/7/2004 4:55:46 PM #
Yeah, the file names are zire31.jpg and zire31_close.jpg ... I saved them to my comp but I'm not gonna post them or anything. Just for a suveneer. How ever you spell it ...

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RE: Photo Update
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:20:16 PM #
>>>Just for a suveneer. How ever you spell it ...

Laugh of my day! (I was waiting for *something* to make me laugh in this &^#$#@@ near-zero frigid weather! It's colder than Bill Gates out there!)

RE: Photo Update
Palm Cow @ 1/10/2004 9:58:03 PM #
;)

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RE: Photo Update
abosco @ 1/11/2004 1:52:45 AM #
>>I was waiting for *something* to make me laugh in this &^#$#@@ near-zero frigid weather! It's colder than Bill Gates out there!

Try going indoors. And while indoors, try turning on the heater. And pay your electric bill. You know, just a few pointers.

But seriously, it's 20 below here in Philly's burbs. I stepped outside, and I thought I was going to pass out. So awesome! Time to go streaking..

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Photo Update
Timothy Rapson @ 1/12/2004 8:02:38 AM #
Streaking? Now there is a challenge for a Palm Lover. Where do you keep your Zire while streaking?

The Pictures are here at least for now

rlutz @ 1/7/2004 11:20:19 AM #
http://www.pocketloft.com/

they are part of the thread so they should stay a while



I think therfore I am overqualified to work here....

RE: The Pictures are here at least for now
Lucky Bob @ 1/7/2004 1:58:56 PM #
Ugh, that's ugly...

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

yet another site where the photos are available

orol @ 1/7/2004 12:18:21 PM #
just in case :-)

http://www.mobilmania.cz/Bleskovky/AR.asp?ARI=106261

the site is in slovak

About OS

Goshi @ 1/8/2004 9:33:26 AM #
What about OS of presented Zire 31.
On picture there are Palm OS 5.

Might Goshi
RE: About OS
hotpaw4 @ 1/9/2004 8:56:31 PM #
If it's about to ship, that means that production was ramped up well before OS 6 was released. So my guess is OS 5.2, or maybe 5.3.

PalmOS 5 and Lo Res

Edward Green @ 1/8/2004 7:18:33 PM #
I think PalmOne is committed to releasing another lo res OS 5 device, as it will encourgage devs to code for it - so the Treo won't be marooned.

This is good for PalmSource too, because I suspect that we will see more lo res Smartphones in the future.



Edward Green
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RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
twizza @ 1/9/2004 9:55:29 PM #
You know, I didnt think of this. If PalmOne is using the same screen that is within the Treo600, this means that it will make it less costly to produce the Treo600 and this opens the door to a lower price on the Treo line as well as a chance in seeing another Treo model that uses this screen but might even have BT. Just something to think about. Be blessed to all in this New Year.

Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com

Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)

RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
Palm Cow @ 1/10/2004 10:15:16 AM #
Yeah, good thought.

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RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
rsc1000 @ 1/11/2004 6:52:17 PM #
I can't imagine that this is the treo 600 screen because the treo 600 screen is very small - smaller than any standard palmOne PDA screen. Maybe im wrong but i dont think they'd shrink the screen down (or device itself) that much just to use the treo screen.

RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
twizza @ 1/12/2004 1:37:34 AM #
Not so much the same screen as the Treo600 in terms of exactly the same size and all. Just in terms of a low res color screen that is quite bright. Something that doesnt say cheap palm, but does make one want to upgrade when it is sitting next to a more expensive TE, or the less expensive and non colored Zire21. I think that priced in that $150 range, that this will be a great model for PalmOne, and probably the break that will make color PDAs finally trump B/W ones for good.

Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com

Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)

RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
Edward Green @ 1/12/2004 6:33:06 PM #
I think I have already expressed my suspicions that the Phone Version of OS 5 will inlcude Treo style Nav and support for 160x160 as normal.

I love my Treo 600 despite the lo res screen, and would like more game developers to support it.

Edward Green
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