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palmOne today announced it has initiated a second phase of the integration process that began when the company acquired Handspring, Inc. in Oct. The company is rebalancing the investment levels in its handheld computer and smartphone product families, and reducing its work force by about 100 people, or 12 percent.
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Shift to Smart Phones?

johnwin @ 1/21/2004 10:52:47 AM #
There seems to be a clear indication in that statement that PalmOne are getting more deaply involved with the whole smartphone thing? Personally I like the idea of two devices connected via Bluetooth

www.mypalmlife.com
RE: Shift to Smart Phones?
pgmr1 @ 1/21/2004 11:35:34 AM #
In my geographic area there are no viable bluetooth phone options. GSM coverage is awful, Verizon/CDMA is the only real game in town. There is a dearth of bluetooth phones. Unfortunately Verizon doesn't officially support/provide the Treo600, though I could buy it independently. Around here, the stars haven't aligned yet for phone/pda integration, with two devices or integrated to one. There are older technology solutions like Kycocera 7135, but I would want the latest OS and more horsepower. The big action for pda/phones is in metropolis, not rural America, and there is no indication of change any time soon.

Different company but...similarly distressing news

hkklife @ 1/21/2004 11:37:21 AM #
http://theregister.co.uk/content/54/35015.html

Fossil has finally put the last nail in the coffin of their PDA-watch. I honestly have to say I saw this coming from the day it was announced--I actually first speculated that this was a huge hoax or something. I assume that the handful of units that actually were produced (ala Voodoo 6000) will be huge collectors' items someday.

A brief moment of nostalgia (ie, why a Fossil watch, IMHO, would never work):

I had a few of those nifty Casio databank touchscreen watches back in the early 90's. Phone book, calculator, world clock, stopwatch & countdown timer. Even a few little primitive GUI icons! They had no hard buttons anywhere on the unit and the screen was recessed. They also omitted a backlight, though a later revision in the late 90's added the indiglo-type EL light. It was a nightmare to input data, lacking any sort of stylus-type device (of course, no RS232 PC link either), so I would frequently use ballpoint pen caps and straws etc. I went though two or three of those screens before I gave up, went back to an analog watch, and carried a little black book until I got my first Pilot 1000 back in '96 or so.

RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
hoodoo @ 1/21/2004 12:17:21 PM #
I still think Microshaft is/was involved somehow with their SPOT watch conveniently and (not?) coincidentally showing up once the Palm watch disappeared.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19914

RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
hkklife @ 1/21/2004 12:21:45 PM #
I put as much faith in your conspiracy theories of MS leaning on Fossil to kill the Palm watch as I do in my personal theories about MS (or others) leaning on SanDisk and/or Sandisk's out-sourced driver development team for the Palm Wi-Fi SD card.

That is to say, I strongly agree with both theories! MS are being very sneaky and trying to cut off Palm's 3rd party supporters one by one, especially if it might be someone who has had an ensouring experience or two in the past on the Palm platform (underwhelming sales, OS or driver development woes, inadequate from Palm(source) etc).



RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
Michael Mace @ 1/21/2004 1:13:18 PM #
I can't comment on the status of any particular product; that's up to the licensees. But I can tell you that we have a strong, growing, continuing relationship with Fossil.

Mike
CCO, PalmSource Inc.

RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
hkklife @ 1/21/2004 2:30:13 PM #
Glad to hear it straight from your mouth, Mike! I was fearing the worst as far as licensees-especially Fossil-were concerned.

Btw, I mentioned to say " 'inadequate support' from Palm(source) etc." in the above comment but due to being an immediately pre-lunch post, my brain was not as cooperative as it should've been. LOL

RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
allemande @ 1/21/2004 4:11:41 PM #
>>> I can't comment on the status of any particular product; that's up to the licensees. But I can tell you that we have a strong, growing, continuing relationship with Fossil.

Mike
CCO, PalmSource Inc.<<<

Good god, not another watch. Here is a hint: Nobody wants to wear a watch that need to be recharge every half a year, let alone every day. That't what a cellphone is for.


RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
Palm4u @ 1/21/2004 5:05:36 PM #
Amen to that!

Who's gonna want to wear a stupid looking techie watch?

I think people would rather save some money and buy a nice Tag or Citizen or Seiko or whatever. Watches are for telling time or a status symbol.

================================
PDAs rule the world !

RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
Davy Fields @ 1/21/2004 7:55:46 PM #
"Palm4u @ 1/21/2004 5:05:36 PM

Amen to that!

Who's gonna want to wear a stupid looking techie watch?

I think people would rather save some money and buy a nice Tag or Citizen or Seiko or whatever. Watches are for telling time or a status symbol.
"

If people were all like you, we'd never ever have had digital watch faces... change happens. There will be more of these kind of devices, because the electronic device that people carry on them the greatest percentage of the time is: dum-dum - the watch. Just wait.

-Davy Fields
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Palm_OS_5/

RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
allemande @ 1/21/2004 8:29:51 PM #
who on earth want changing pixelated faceplate watch? I'll skip that for platinum, saphire or gold thanks.
RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
Wollombi @ 1/22/2004 12:14:44 AM #
Two thoughts here, and I'll start with the "who would want that anyway?" arguement.

I can't really see entering data on the watch as being a picnic, but I CAN see it as an extremely convenient way to carry the data from your PDA with you when you leave the PDA behind (i.e. a trip to the beach, water park, camping, although mine goes with me then, etc.) This way you still have all your contact info, memos, appointments, etc. and you can beam and receive the data. It would never replace my PDA, but would be a wonderful companion, as long as you could fit the data on the screen in a reasonably easy to read manner.

Now, for the other part, and I'll quote:

>"I put as much faith in your conspiracy theories of MS leaning on Fossil to kill the Palm watch as I do in my personal theories about MS (or others) leaning on SanDisk and/or Sandisk's out-sourced driver development team for the Palm Wi-Fi SD card.

That is to say, I strongly agree with both theories!"<

Ok, but the article says that Fossil's OEM manufacturer is/was Flextronics. Not a big deal until you realize that Flextronics is the *sole* manufacturer of MicroSoft's X-Box. That's right, they have a huge factory down near Mexico City where they manufacture the X-Box. The game console market is more lucrative than *any* PDA market, any day of the week. It's quite believable to think that perhaps MS put some pressure on Flextronics to drop the Fossil watch, which would be a niche product, or lose the X-Box come contract renewal time, especially since MS is creating the SPOT, which they have had in the works for at least a couple of years now. Where would Fossil take this to? MS has their hooks into nearly every OEM shop out there, and this is, like I said, only a niche product, not worth risking more lucrative contracts for fabbing mice, game controllers, keyboards, gaming consoles, etc.

Just my $0.02. It's anybody's guess what the truth of the matter really is, but the above scenario is not unbelievable.

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RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
Wollombi @ 1/22/2004 12:46:02 AM #
Oops, misread your post to say "I strongly disagree with both theories". Well, my points still stand even if there is no one to argue them with. =)

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;-) @ 1/22/2004 2:16:33 AM #
Don't be retarded. The Fossil watch would have lasted about a week on the market before it got laughed out of existence. Ranks right up there (down there?) with the Segway, Mercury Marauder, Nokia NGage as for boneheads only.

It's amazing that products like this ever go past the prototype stage. No one ever stops to think, "Is anyone REALLY going to pay cash for this?"


It's just too big.

RE: Different company but...similarly distressing news
mikecane @ 1/22/2004 11:01:02 AM #
Is anyone going to take seriously some dolt with punctuation as his/her/its handle?

Go away, Pixelator...

OK good, now execute

treo007 @ 1/21/2004 1:48:01 PM #
Can't say I'm surprised to see them "refocus" on cell phones. PDA margins suck and it's a niche market that's only getting smaller.

That having been said, it's time for them to step up and roll out some cell phones that normal people actually don't mind being seen with and that they can get for "free" with a contract.

I know they're developing a smart phone version of OS 5. How hard would it be to for them to drop the thumboard and put this in a form factor like that of the MPx200. It would absolutely be my next purchase.

RE: OK good, now execute
allemande @ 1/21/2004 4:13:45 PM #
not hard at all really, they only need to compete against Motorola, the inventor of wireless cellphone.

(yeah I want to see that happens)

RE: OK good, now execute
treo007 @ 1/21/2004 4:30:59 PM #
Mercedez-Benz more or less invented the automobile. Last time I checked though they're not the only ones doing it well.

RE: OK good, now execute
abosco @ 1/21/2004 5:28:53 PM #
>>not hard at all really, they only need to compete against Motorola, the inventor of wireless cellphone.

Nokia and Sony Ericsson are currently cleaning out Motorola's marketshare and confining them to the Nextel area. And then there's rumors of SE's next high end device running on Palm OS. If the p800 sold a million units with shoddy Symbian, imagine how much it could mop the floor with the rest of the competition if it ran Palm OS and was advertised to have 21,000 applications available for it, including solid 3D games, not just one rally game.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: OK good, now execute
allemande @ 1/21/2004 8:32:46 PM #
what rumor? the one Nagel made in europe last year? That got shut down so fast from SE PR office, it's not even funny.

It's not a rumor, it's a failed hype.

Michael Mace: the Treo 600 is now UNLOCKED. Oops!
;-) @ 1/21/2004 10:59:15 PM #
what rumor? the one Nagel made in europe last year? That got shut down so fast from SE PR office, it's not even funny.

It's not a rumor, it's a failed hype.


Get 'im, girl!


Sony to Nagel: "Who's your Daddy! Say it!"

It's sad to see Michael Mace reduced to the official Palm apologist these days. Hey Michael, lets hear your answer to this:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6458

Treos can now be unlocked easily - Palm is in deep trouble
;-) @ 1/20/2004 3:49:40 AM

A much more important story broke yesterday when a group of hackers at Treocentral found a way to unlock GSM Treo 600 by using files found when someone's Treo crashed during an upgrade. Carriers like Orange are going to go ballistic when they see all their subsidized phones getting unlocked. The danger of these smart-phones has always been how easy it might be to unlock them. Now we see those fear were well-founded. Palm better try to fix this latest disaster PRONTO.


http://discussion.treocentral.com/tcforum/-t46561/s.html

Download it for yourself, Mike:

http://81.134.68.40/patched.zip



It's just too big.

Re: Unlocked Treo
palmcoder @ 1/21/2004 11:35:34 PM #
what's the big deal? Just about EVERY mobile phone that is on the market today can be unlocked through the use of PC software or mail-in unlocking services.

Heck, back when I had a Kyocera 6035, I was able to unlock it so that I could jump from Sprint to Verizon to get 2-way SMS.

RE: OK good, now execute
Wollombi @ 1/22/2004 12:27:52 AM #
>"not hard at all really, they only need to compete against Motorola, the inventor of wireless cellphone.

(yeah I want to see that happens)"<

Yeah, I want to see it happen, too. Motorola has made nothing but crap for several years now in the cellphone arena, the V60 line being a notable exception, but not all that great either. About ALL that Motorola phones have going for them is that they are nearly impossible to destroy by dropping them. Sony, Nokia, Sanyo, and especially Samsung have been making much more innovative designs for years. Motorola is no longer the name people think of when the topic turns to cellphones.

_________________
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Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

The endgame for Palm. Gates only had to wait.
;-) @ 1/22/2004 2:02:31 AM #
what's the big deal? Just about EVERY mobile phone that is on the market today can be unlocked through the use of PC software or mail-in unlocking services.

The big deal is that (two years after Handspring) Palm saw the writing on the wall and rushed to reinvent themselves as a cellphone company. But they have no cred with the carriers and were between a rock and a hard place, so they signed a series of horrible deals with the major carriers the said basically that Palm had t


It's just too big.

RE: OK good, now execute
hkklife @ 1/22/2004 10:19:20 AM #
Your points about Motorola phones are certainly valid. The essential reasons I have devotedly hung onto my V60 since Oct '01 are basically:

1. It can take a beating from dropping/bumping

2. It's a metal-bodied flip phone

3. Has AMPS (analog) network support for when I am out in the boonies (more often than you'd expect).

4. I've invested too much in v60-style accessories to upgrade until absolutely necessary. I used varying models of StarTacs for years before the v60 came out and I see no need to change that pattern now.

However, in just about every other facet of modern phone feature sets (BT, screen size, IR etc) Motorola continues to fall way behind. That's not to say I would drop my V60 for a camera & BT-enabled T720 refresh-the v60 fits my specific needs perfectly (making phone calls and nothing else). I have a T3 if I want to play games/movies/mp3s/bells'n whistles. However, it'd be nice to have some choices on Verizon as far as phones go. A BT-enabled CDMA phone from the only homegrown company left in the game would be an appealing alternative.

RE: OK good, now execute
abosco @ 1/22/2004 11:50:48 AM #
>>what rumor? the one Nagel made in europe last year? That got shut down so fast from SE PR office, it's not even funny. It's not a rumor, it's a failed hype.

BS. SE shot it down in order to calm suspicion from potential p900 buyers. With that new smartphone, you don't want details of a new one with a new OS already leaking and disrupting buyers.

If Nagel was LYING about that, then PalmSource could possibly get sued by SE for potentially disrupting sales. If they really ARE in talks, then it would make sense for SE to say **** to Nagel, but not take any further action until the p1000 with Palm OS 5 Phone Edition is released and p900 and Symbian are put to rest.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

"Rebalancing"

JarJar @ 1/21/2004 1:56:16 PM #
Rebalancing is just a euphemism for layoffs. Both Palm One and Handspring have already shaved off the fat and then some in the past few years. Both are already operating on skeleton crews.

This is not some kind of "shift of attention" or "refocus". It is not a move born of strategic intent, it is an action to save money.

Don't try and discern some kind of strategic decision here--there isn't any.

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LiveFaith @ 1/21/2004 3:52:57 PM #
While I certainly feel for the "100" who will be in the job market next week, I thought that "trimming fat" was + news corporately. Both companies should have had a lot of overlap and finding it seems "good" for investors. Yet, the stock has taken > 10% hit today. Dropping near the $10 border, where stocks fall off a lot of institutional "radar screens". Not a good thang.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE:
JarJar @ 1/21/2004 4:14:22 PM #
Normally "trimming fat" can be positive, but in this case Handspring and Palm have already trimmed fat last year.

I can't help but wonder if now they have to start cutting into the bone to save pennies.

RE: Slash and burn time at pa1mOne
;-) @ 1/21/2004 11:10:05 PM #
I can't help but wonder if now they have to start cutting into the bone to save pennies.

The bone was last year. Now I think they're CHOPPING INTO THE BRAIN!

;-O




It's just too big.

RE:
Wollombi @ 1/22/2004 12:31:37 AM #
>"Normally "trimming fat" can be positive, but in this case Handspring and Palm have already trimmed fat last year.

I can't help but wonder if now they have to start cutting into the bone to save pennies."<

Oh please. You're reading way too much into this. Layoffs nearly *always* happen when two companies merge, because once merged there is a lot of redundancy in the merged staff because you essentially pushed two companies with the same departments together into one company with one of each of those departments instead of two. So naturally, since keeping all that redundancy is needessly expensive, you need to pare down a bit. Thing is, these people knew (or should have known) that layoffs would be coming and everyone in the company should have already had their resumes updated in the even they were one of the "unlucky 100".

Layoffs are never pretty, but business is about making money for the shareholders, and that unfortunately is a passionless endeavor. Having been unemployed recently I can certainly empathize with those who lost their jobs. At the same time if they weren't wise, not bothering to prepare for the possibility when layoffs were an obvious possibility with the merger, I don't have much sympathy there. Hell, I would have had interviews already.

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Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

RE:
LiveFaith @ 1/22/2004 10:35:20 AM #
JarJar,

Investors apparently see it that way too.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE:
Scott R @ 1/23/2004 10:53:38 AM #
"Investors apparently see it that way too."

Investors love layoffs. Investors love offshore outsourcing, too. I don't much care what investors think.

Scott

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I will never want a smartphone

sremick @ 1/21/2004 2:36:36 PM #
I'm sorry, but I think the only reason smartphones are taking off is the same reason people chase after rainbows. It's a nice thought... but you never really get there.

The reality is, cell phones and PDAs serve two separate functions. While there is some overlap, it isn't possible to cash in on that by combining them. Bluetooth is the real answer, not convergence.

A PDA needs a big enough screen to be useful, with LOTS of memory. Hard buttons aren't really necessary, but a few are ok. A cell phone on the other hand needs to be small enough to be handy and unobtrusive. It needs to fit nicely in the hand, small enough to tuck away in a shirt pocket or purse, or strap out of the way on the belt. The screen needn't be any bigger than necessary to show a few lines out of the address book, but just about everyone is going to want real hard buttons for the numbers.

A cell phone the size of a usable PDA is too big a cell phone. A PDA the size of a usable cell phone is too small a PDA. It's rather simple fact, and I wish we could move beyond the ridiculous idea of convergence which ignores this and instead get better Bluetooth adoption between cell phones and PDAs. PalmOne is making a mistake here.

And often, you don't need both. Usually it'll be the case of leaving the PDA at home and just using the cell phone. This is common enough to warrant separate devices. How often do you REALLY need to access your PDA from your cell phone?

The smartphone ranks up there with the combo fax/print/copier units you see everywhere. They attempt to do everything with one unit and market themselves on that appeal, when in reality they do everything poorly and nothing well, a fact the consumer doesn't realize until after the purchase. Yet sales continue, because everything likes the dream, even if it's not a reality.

Palm: instead of making more smartphones, give us a PDA with the form-factor of the m515, the screen of the T3, BT and WiFi, virtual grafitti and no slider (and built like the Tungsten T and not like the E). 64MB is fine, as is 400MHz. The technical/space/power issues are solved by using an OLED screen which doesn't need backlight and is as thin as a sheet of paper, while at the same time using tons less power. Switching from LCD to OLED will give you TONS more space inside that case and tons more juice from the lithium-polymer battery. Ask $500 or even $600 for it if you want, but CREATE IT and make it EXIST... then let the market decide. You might be surprised.

RE: I will never want a smartphone
strannik @ 1/21/2004 3:40:00 PM #
i agree with you,
i don't get all this excitement; smartphones are just too uncomfortable to handle, the only way i see myself getting one is if it had a bt headset which after i am done i can put back into the pda (sort of like a stylus).

RE: I will never want a smartphone
twocents @ 1/21/2004 3:40:36 PM #
"...form-factor of the m515, the screen of the T3, BT and WiFi, virtual grafitti and no slider..."

Sign me up! Though, looking at my m505, how could you add all the additional buttons and hardware associated with a POS5+ device (d-pad, record button, speaker, microphone...) and keep this form-factor? It just doesn't mix well.

RE: I will never want a smartphone
hgoldner @ 1/21/2004 3:42:57 PM #
Well, as for me, if there were a Treo like device WITHOUT the keyboard (just a phone keypad pluse the typical 4 button + 5-way central button) and a universal connector, and 320x320 resolution, I'd already own it.

RE: I will never want a smartphone
strannik @ 1/21/2004 3:47:08 PM #
oh yeah, i do like the slider and smaller form that it allows, i'd want a keyboard though, maybe one of those frog thingies built in

RE: I will never want a smartphone
rc46 @ 1/21/2004 5:53:04 PM #
You guys are way in the minority. Less than 5% of us carry PDA's more than 25% of us carry cellphones (give or take a few precent). Most people do not even realize they need a PDA, but would not complain if one was built into their phone. Most people only want to carry one device.

I am a long time PDA user since the Palm's begining. I got a Treo600 in October. I thought I would hate the 160x160 display, and thought I would never get used to the keyboard. The truth is the screen is OK and keyboard rocks. I can type almost twice as fast as I could ever do Graffiti (I was pretty fast at Graffiti)
This phone does everything my Tungsten T did and does some things a lot better. I'm sold on carrying 1 device. Give me a new version of the Treo with 360x360 Bluetooth and a 1 megapixal camera.

Pilot 1000 -> Pilot 5000 -> Palm Pilot Professional -> HP620LX-> TRG Pro -> Palm V -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Palm i705 -> Palm TT - Samsung i500 -> Treo 600

RE: I will never want a smartphone
hotpaw4 @ 1/21/2004 6:21:34 PM #
Don't mix up several completely different questions. Will you want a phone because it's a smartphone? Will it be a smartphone anyway? Will you use it as a smartphone? Even if so, will you want a PDA anyway?

Lots of cell phones already have some smartphone features, and that technology trend will only increase. But many people don't buy phones for those features, and/or never use those features after buying the phone. And those who want or need smartphone capabilities might just buy a (wireless) connected PDA anyway because of the better ergonometrics (bigger display, etc.)

RE: I will never want a smartphone
strannik @ 1/21/2004 6:39:49 PM #
rc46, sorry, i doubt that ppl will go for the phone just because it has a pda functionality . I have yet to meet a person who uses their phone's calendar. Fact is, using the phone as the phone is more important to most ppl and when you double the size/reduce batter life most won't care for all those extra features cuz it's primary function is harder to use.


RE: I will never want a smartphone
Vidge @ 1/21/2004 9:35:58 PM #
I'm with those of you who don't want a smart phone. I prefer my devices separate for a lot of reasons, the main one being I want to upgrade each of them separately. To date, smart phones have run behind PDAs in terms of OS. It is more cost efficient for me to change my PDA every 6 months than it is to change a smart phone. (And yes, I sometimes do shange PDAs every 6 months!)

Moderator, Daily Gadget
http://www.dailygadget.com
RE: I will never want a smartphone
;-) @ 1/21/2004 11:18:09 PM #
I'm sorry, but I think the only reason smartphones are taking off is the same reason people chase after rainbows. It's a nice thought... but you never really get there.

The reality is, cell phones and PDAs serve two separate functions. While there is some overlap, it isn't possible to cash in on that by combining them. Bluetooth is the real answer, not convergence.

A PDA needs a big enough screen to be useful, with LOTS of memory. Hard buttons aren't really necessary, but a few are ok. A cell phone on the other hand needs to be small enough to be handy and unobtrusive. It needs to fit nicely in the hand, small enough to tuck away in a shirt pocket or purse, or strap out of the way on the belt. The screen needn't be any bigger than necessary to show a few lines out of the address book, but just about everyone is going to want real hard buttons for the numbers.

A cell phone the size of a usable PDA is too big a cell phone. A PDA the size of a usable cell phone is too small a PDA. It's rather simple fact, and I wish we could move beyond the ridiculous idea of convergence which ignores this and instead get better Bluetooth adoption between cell phones and PDAs. PalmOne is making a mistake here.

And often, you don't need both. Usually it'll be the case of leaving the PDA at home and just using the cell phone. This is common enough to warrant separate devices. How often do you REALLY need to access your PDA from your cell phone?

The smartphone ranks up there with the combo fax/print/copier units you see everywhere. They attempt to do everything with one unit and market themselves on that appeal, when in reality they do everything poorly and nothing well, a fact the consumer doesn't realize until after the purchase. Yet sales continue, because everything likes the dream, even if it's not a reality.

Palm: instead of making more smartphones, give us a PDA with the form-factor of the m515, the screen of the T3, BT and WiFi, virtual grafitti and no slider (and built like the Tungsten T and not like the E). 64MB is fine, as is 400MHz. The technical/space/power issues are solved by using an OLED screen which doesn't need backlight and is as thin as a sheet of paper, while at the same time using tons less power. Switching from LCD to OLED will give you TONS more space inside that case and tons more juice from the lithium-polymer battery. Ask $500 or even $600 for it if you want, but CREATE IT and make it EXIST... then let the market decide. You might be surprised.

Well said. And Palm's other problem is that cellphone manufacturers have massive resources and the money to out-innovate Palm quickly. The Treo 600's technological lead won't last another 6 months.




It's just too big.

RE: I will never want a smartphone
Wollombi @ 1/22/2004 12:41:02 AM #
Actually, there is one company that is making PalmOS smartphones that really seem useful, and that's Samsung. Currently I'm demoing an i500 from one of the prospective cell providers for my company, and I have to admit it is a nice, usable PDA and phone. I can see why it is popular. It's only barrier right now is cost.

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RE: I will never want a smartphone
hkklife @ 1/22/2004 10:28:07 AM #
Wollombi, wouldn't you say that the lack of an SD slot kills that i500's PDA functionality (it certainly would for me, if for no other reason than I keep 100's of jpegs on SD for both business and personal reasons).

Also, the lack of an exterior caller ID LCD also hampers the Samsung's usefulness as a cell phone (again, at least for me it would).

At least it has a sufficiently juiced-up Dragonball CPU, a decent screen (higher res than any of the Treos), and Graffiti 1!

"We intend to maintain our lead"

kevdo @ 1/21/2004 8:05:28 PM #
"We intend to maintain our lead in the handheld-computer category with new, innovative solutions"

Treo 610 with 320x320 anyone?

-Kevin Crossman

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Calroth @ 1/22/2004 5:00:22 AM #
The new Treo will not have a 320x320 screen.

Back in the days of a Visor, there were the rumours of the Visor Prism II with a nice hi-res colour screen. The rumours weren't very persuasive, because back then, only Sony was doing it and I don't think it was even colour either (oh, HandEra was too, and it definitely was black-and-white).

Then came the Treo 180. OK, black and white lo-res screen. It was widely speculated that the colour Treo would have a hi-res screen. After all, Sony was doing really well out of it. The Treo 270 came along. Lo-res screen. Then rumours of the new CDMA Treo. "Come on, Handspring," we said, they had to have developed hi-res technology by then. The Treo 300 and Treo 90 came out. Lo-res.

A few years pass. The new Treo 600 appears on the horizon. "It surely has to have a hi-res screen," we say. It runs Palm OS 5, and to date, all OS 5 devices have a hi-res screen. Palm has introduced its Tungsten T and T2, both have hi-res screens, and Palm is making a mint. Then someone sees a Treo 600 at a trade show. Lo-res.

Handspring has never introduced a hi-res device and I am sure that they never will. I think they are just vindictive; nothing else explains it. (They've keep making excuses.) If you want a Treo and you want a hi-res screen, you're never going to get it... either get a Treo as it is, or get another device, but quit waiting for something that's not going to come.

P.S. I am a very happy Treo 600 owner... once you accept the lo-res screen, it's a weight off your shoulders :-)

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hkklife @ 1/22/2004 10:33:48 AM #
Sony was doing color high-res back in '01. In fact, they've never released a low-res color Clie for the USA market. They have had two (IIRC) high-res B&W Clies, however,which might be what you are thinking of, but the high-res B&W models didn't come for another year+ after the 710C launch. The Clie 710C was the 256-color high-res Clie (unless upgraded by Sony to OS 4.1), the 760C and 610C were also high-res 16-bit color around the same time as the infamous Prism II rumors.

I still maintain that had Handspring released a "tweaked" Prism with 16mb ram & improved battery life (low-res woulda been ok!) and an Edge II, preferably with a 66mhz Dragonball & SD, they could have managed to hang in there and semi-smoothly transitioned from Visors to the Treo era.



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kevdo @ 1/22/2004 10:58:30 AM #
>Handspring has never introduced a hi-res device and I am sure that they never will

That's right. Because Handspring doesn't exist anymore.

PalmOne has lots of hi-res devices with great screens. "Their" Treo will have 320x320 (I speculate...)

-Kevin Crossman, Palm Powered Software Champion

My take......New OS VERY ready. And its NICE

Mauibro @ 1/21/2004 7:53:19 PM #
Perhaps this means that OS6 is a very polished product, and those employees are no longer needed.

Perhaps the OS is extremely stable mature, and versitile. Little R&D is needed in the near term. In which case the future employee need is more strategic, sales, marketing, oriented.

If so perhaps the decreased need for R and D people could be a positive with regard to OS6.

I get the real feeling that we will be blown away by the new OS, with its BE roots.
Ever wonder what all those BE people have been doing? Why they aquired the OS?

Never mind phones, I really expect they are going after laptops, and tablets, and other form factors in a big way, not in the future, IMEDIATELY. The OS will be READY TO GO, in those forms, individual venders will just need to tweak it to their needs.

My guess is that this plan will be announced to developers at the upcoming conference, and it will be HUGE.
My guess is it is going to be far bigger than we have anticipated.

I know nothing official, I just ask what would I do if I was Palm. They are sitting on BEOS, will intergrate a form of it into its handhelds, why not go for it all. BEs problem was it had no foothold.
Palm does
Imagine what happens to Palms sorry wothless stock should that be announced.

RE: My take......New OS VERY ready. And its NICE
G Martin @ 1/21/2004 9:02:23 PM #
You do realize that *PalmOne* (layoffs) and *PalmSource* (OS6) are two different companies, right?

That means there is no connection between the pink slips and the new OS.

-G

RE: My take......New OS VERY ready. And its NICE
Mauibro @ 1/21/2004 10:20:36 PM #
Oh myyy big ooooopps.

Yes I know the difference, just wasnt paying attention.
Oh do I feel stupid.

Ohhhh no I bought all those stocks........

RE: My take......New OS VERY ready. And its NICE
Wollombi @ 1/22/2004 12:44:43 AM #
>"Ohhhh no I bought all those stocks........"<

LOL! =)

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