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Sony Japan has announced 2 new clie handhelds for Japan. The TH55 features built in Wi-Fi a larger 320x480 portrait screen and a integrated digital camera. The T37 has a square 320x320 screen and a built in digital camera. Both models will be available this month.
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Good Job

yoyolai @ 2/3/2004 11:42:52 AM #
Wow... beautiful ID, only if it has built-in BT..:(

RE: Good Job
a3 @ 2/3/2004 12:20:34 PM #
I agree! I would like Bluetooth so I hope that the US version includes it!

____________________________________________
Former Tapwave's Helix fan, now a T|T3 fan.
RE: Good Job
a3 @ 2/3/2004 4:03:37 PM #
I would like to know why (THE HELL) we can't get a Palm OS device with Bluetooth AND Wi-Fi for the same price PPC users can!!!!!! (or am I missing some model?)

iPaq 4150 = Wi-Fi + BT = US$450.oo

____________________________________________
Former Tapwave's Helix fan, now a T|T3 fan.

RE: Good Job
Hal2000 @ 2/3/2004 8:11:18 PM #
Do not wish it had Bluetooth........It doesn't. So just say its a good PDA w/o Bluetooth and leave it at that.
If you have ever played video on a newer Sony long term, you know what I mean. Nuff Said (great)



Zodiac2/T616

RE: Good Job
s_teve @ 2/4/2004 4:21:54 PM #
Here's the main problem with both bluetooth and wifi.
The Battery life.
Unless there was some way to improve battery life, you wouldn't get much time on the internet.
But, it would be good to have both bluetooth and wifi

No Bluetooth = No Sale. Sorry, Sony.
;-) @ 2/5/2004 12:31:30 AM #
As usual, Sony puts together an interesting mix of features, but then they do something to mess it up at the last minute. Possibly saving to make the UX-100 (UX-50 replacement) the ultimate PDA with:

Clamshell design
OLED screen
802.11b
Bluetooth
Landscape view
Portrait view
Good keyboard
PalmOS 6
MP3
1 MP digital camera
New Sony custom desktop + applications
12 hour battery life
128 MB RAM

All for only $599

If you want it all, don't settle for the TH-55. You'll just end up kicking yourself in a few months. The new UX series will be astounding. If you have a Bluetooth cellphone, you might finally be able to dump your laptop once the new UX is released.

And to the posters below who say they prefer the Palm T3: Keep it. You can keep your Palm with its third rate, sloppy construction and I'll buy a CLIE. Guess who's PDA will still be working flawlessly in three years? And guess who's PDA will be in a landfill dump?


It's just too big.

RE: Good Job
Wollombi @ 2/5/2004 12:43:01 PM #
Yours will be in the landfill dump. I suspect you will get frustrated in your attempt to understand the PalmOS and throw your PDA in the trash.

_________________
Sean

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

RE: Good Job
mikecane @ 2/5/2004 2:28:12 PM #
Thank you, Sean. You provided a smile this day.

No Bluetooth = No Sale. Sorry, Sony.
;-) @ 2/6/2004 1:37:25 AM #
Yours will be in the landfill dump. I suspect you will get frustrated in your attempt to understand the PalmOS and throw your PDA in the trash.

Where you would no doubt catch it.



It's just too big.

RE: Good Job
;-) @ 2/6/2004 1:40:00 AM #
Thank you, Sean. You provided a smile this day.

Did he swallow this time?


It's just too big.

RE: Good Job
mikecane @ 2/6/2004 10:28:02 AM #
You are really sick and should seek help.

Or get better help than you're supposedly getting.

RE: Good Job
Wollombi @ 2/6/2004 4:56:14 PM #
>>"It's just too big."<<

Meaning his overinflated ego. =)

_________________
Sean

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

M.C. + Wolly = TLF
;-) @ 2/7/2004 4:02:21 AM #
You two are just too cute. Nice to see you're taking your lithium again, Mike.


It's just too big.

RE: M.C. + Wolly = TLF
Wollombi @ 2/8/2004 10:40:24 AM #
Heh. It's nice to know I can easily manipulate you into a response any time I want. This particular response unviels just how immature you really are.

_________________
Sean

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

RE: Good Job
mikecane @ 2/8/2004 4:54:30 PM #
It's good to see that your time in institutions have made you fast friends with the USP. If only you'd stop projecting and take your medication as prescribed.

And how empty a life you have that you must stalk other people. Poor sad existence of yours.

Manic M.C.
;-) @ 2/11/2004 12:53:12 AM #
Sure Mike. Just remember to take the lithium with a lot of water and everything will be OK.

And what are the odds you'll either find yet ANOTHER reason to not buy a new PDA or will buy one and return it a few weeks later? Probably close to 100%. Can't you at least do something different for once?


It's just too big.

Portrait only?

bookrats @ 2/3/2004 11:47:18 AM #
[The TH55's] front-side is dominated by the large portrait only display

Sorry, I'm a bit confused -- by "portrait-only", do you mean that Palm apps (which are enabled for this) can't display in "landscape" mode?

Because the 2nd screen shot (of the guy on the mountain bike) appears to be in landscape mode.

(I think I'm just not up on the terminology...)

----

"I'm warning you ... if you kill me, they'll just send 008!"

Jeff Meyer

RE: Portrait only?
Admin @ 2/3/2004 11:55:52 AM #
well there is nothing to indicate the device supports landscape in either the press release or the first draft of the user manual. The movie player has been able to do landscape since the nx series, there is nothing to stop individual apps from supporting it but it does not appear to be a system feature.

-Ryan

RE: Portrait only?
skennedy1217 @ 2/3/2004 12:06:03 PM #
Why are the T3 and the Zodiac the only models that have built in support for both Landscape and Portrait? I was looking forward to a tablet (non-sliding) design like this one...the Zod's too big for my tastes. Perhaps the rumored T|E2 will fit the bill?

Is there a program that allows landscape on Clie's (like the one folks use on the Toshiba PPC's)?

RE: Portrait only?
anchung @ 2/3/2004 12:45:04 PM #
Hi, Jeff:

The picture that you saw is for "Clie Movie Player" which supports landscape play mode. It already exists in NX series so it doesn't mean the TH55 should have landscape support.

RE: Portrait only?
rsc1000 @ 2/3/2004 1:55:01 PM #
>>The movie player has been able to do landscape since the nx series, there is nothing to stop individual apps from supporting it but it does not appear to be a system feature.

Yeah - nothing to stop apps from 'supporting' landscape - except the code they must write for each new app that must do screen rotation itself by having its own routines to draw to the screen in this orientation. These apps do not 'support' landscape - they actually DO landscape. There is no help what-so-ever from the OS - or OEM customizations - except for the above mentioned T3 and Zodiac (and the old Handera?). This is a shame as it would be so easy to do at the OS level. Of course the UX has landscape - but no portrait (very dumb, Sony). OS 6 will include landscape - though no word on whether OEMs can or will override this (hopefully not).

RE: Portrait only?
rened @ 2/3/2004 3:15:28 PM #
Dows netfront support both (on the TH)?

whoah.

scaught @ 2/3/2004 12:28:55 PM #
this is almost the perfect device*.
320x480 color.
no dinky keyboard.
wireless.

droool.

*there shall never be a "perfect" device.

palmIII>HandERA330>SonySJ20>TungstenE

RE: whoah.
iNOMAD @ 2/3/2004 5:20:27 PM #
the ipaq 5555 is as close to perfect as ive seen. its only downfall is its size. (by the way, i have a program that enables landscape)

Im going to buy a Sony TH55!
RE: whoah.
I.M Anonymous @ 2/4/2004 2:10:13 AM #
The TH55 would be my ideal palm, if only it had usable buttons. I like buttons that aren't so thin that you need to use your fingernail to press them, and I'd prefer a 5-way navigator over a rear jog dial any day. It is so easy to use my T|E one handed, and without the ability to go left and right, the jog roller doesn't do me any good. Besides, how am I supposed to use the Game Gear and NES emulators with a scroll wheel and four sliver buttons? I don't want to have to carry around an extra game pad.

If they could just put the innards and screen of the TH55 in a T|E form factor, I'd buy one right now.

TH55 no good for gaming...

RSC @ 2/3/2004 12:35:37 PM #
The TH55 button layout pretty much makes it worthless for gaming. But I guess that it was designed for business users anyway...

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
Dural @ 2/3/2004 1:18:55 PM #
Yeah, there is no five way controller!!! That majorly kills it for me, even for business apps.
RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
Doo @ 2/3/2004 1:21:25 PM #
I doubt the 55 is aimed at the business end. Camera's are bad on a business pda.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
hkklife @ 2/3/2004 1:53:36 PM #
What we are seeing on the latest crop of handhelds from both Palm & Sony (actually, on all Sonys released in the past 2 years) are increasingly poor button layouts for games, even as the screens, sound subsystems, and CPUs are increasingly capable of playing Doom & SpyHunter (or similar) style games.

Palm is obviously trying to accomodate portrait & landscape users with the T3. Zires will probably continue to have "stick" type controllers that are not great for gaming but still acceptable. The 4 hard buttons for launching apps are actually the key to any sort of action title, though, and should remain in a row on most Palms for the forseeable future. Besides, Tapwave's there (assuming they stay in business) to pitch the Zodiac to the hardcore gamers.

So that leaves me thinking that Sony has something big up their sleeve...something niftier than the PSP that'll be based on Palm architecture. How about...a video-centric 480*320 Clie with similar formfactor to the Th55 for Christmas '04 with a built-in Toshiba 1.5gb micro HD (I am assuming they are somehow going to integrate an IDE controller into the basic Palm architecture), running OS6 and with a PS-style d-pad where the flip cover hinge is? I really see no competition or overlap between Clie audiences and the prospective PSP owner. Such a device could be billed as "game-capable" instead of an outright portable gaming machine.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
rsc1000 @ 2/3/2004 2:08:16 PM #
>>What we are seeing on the latest crop of handhelds from both Palm & Sony (actually, on all Sonys released in the past 2 years) are increasingly poor button layouts for games,

I kind of agree except that with Palm, the d-pad found on the TT, the T2, and even the TC was actually a huge step forward for game playibility. So then they fix almost every complaint about the TT line with the T3, but then go and screw up the D-Pad. I actually decided against the T3 (still have my TT) just because of this stupid d-pad. WHY palm? Wtf? Im a palm developer and i use my PDA for lots of things - but gaming is essential to me (how else to kill time on my 2hrs+ per day on the subway? the only 'guilt free' gaming i get).

>>So that leaves me thinking that Sony has something big up their sleeve...something niftier than the PSP that'll be based on Palm architecture.

No - this leaves me thinking the opposite: Sony has deliberatley messed up the Clies for gaming SO they can sell more PSPs. They want the PSP to be a success - they don't want people to spend $100 more and get a mobile internet terminal/video player/mp3/PIM/office doc editor that also is a kick ass game machine. Who would buy the PSP? Many would of course; not as many if they saw that the Clie was a great PDA AND was great for games for only a little more. Thats my guess anyway.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
Altema @ 2/3/2004 2:23:43 PM #
"I kind of agree except that with Palm, the d-pad found on the TT, the T2, and even the TC was actually a huge step forward for game playibility. So then they fix almost every complaint about the TT line with the T3, but then go and screw up the D-Pad."

I fell in love with the d-pad on the TT as well... it was the first time I could actually play Defender2 effectively. I destroyed my entire high score history in the first day. For most games, the T3 button layout was a step backwards, especially for game that could not remap. I know that palmOne had to accommodate the landscape mode by making something that would make sense in both layouts, but it almost was a deal breaker for me. I have found a few exceptions though. Some games that take full advantage of the d-pad make the four hard button locations irrelevant, and some even capitalize on the new layout (Dreamway, Cubis, SpaceCombat, Jack, Agent-Z2, RifleSlugs, to name a few). In SpaceCombat, all ten buttons can be assigned, even the record button. Still, there are others that just cannot be reconciled to the new layout in a logical fashion. Perhaps user-swappable button pads?

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
Edward Green @ 2/3/2004 2:35:42 PM #
Sony have that nifty game pad that should work with this Clie.

I find that the dpad on the Treo600 is great for games. Shame it isn't supported by more apps.

Edward Green
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http://www.khite.co.uk

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
JKingGrim @ 2/3/2004 3:03:33 PM #
Geeze, does SONY have to always screw up the button layouts? Like the UXs. Why have only 3 app buttons and no up/down rocker? The jog dial is no replacement for an up/down rocker. Jog dial is useful, but functions differently. Is it such a crime to have a d-pad and a jog dail? That would be the best button layout I've seen.

And whats up with the no landscape? Is it so terrible to just use the latest OS vesion wich already has it implemented? So many app are bringing landscape support, but SONY is in its own world.

Those are my only two probs with the new devices (besides the MS), but other than that, theese are a step in the right direction.

BTW, I hope that if you don't like the SONY organiser, you can go back to the old launcher and PIMs.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
rsc1000 @ 2/3/2004 3:11:19 PM #
>>Sony have that nifty game pad that should work with this Clie.

True - but who wants to carry around an extra, dorky looking device? wheres the mobility? The point is to have an all in one device - its especially silly to add this silly thing on top of yr clie just to get a d-pad that would cost $0 if they just built it in ( a d-pad is just a bunch of cheap buttons under a round, single peice of cheap plastic - and they want to charge me for that?

While im ranting - the price of the Japanese version of the th55 works out to $375 us. Dells X3i (400mhz, 64mb, built in wifi)is only $285. Im a Palm OS fan - so i'll continue to resist the PPC lure. But the point is that Sony has some gone from leader to lame follower here. This offers crap in the way of value. We are supposed to be snapping this up because they have finally given us a full VG screen in a tablet device?? That should be standard on ALL palm os devices now (just like it has on all PPCs for almost 4 yrs - including low-end $199 PPCs). Instead companies like Sony slowly 'dole out' features like this and we are supposed to be excited like they've just invented the damned wheel or something. And the 'Sony handheld Engine' is as yet unproven. It has problems ramping the speed up as it is suppoed to and developers are complaing about not be able to get enough juice out of it (ranges from 8mhz to 123mhz to save power). Hell - i'd go with the low-end device here - at least the 200mhz motorola IS a solid 200mhz (i know - mhz isnt everything but the motorola has proven better thus far in everyday applications - also used in the Zodiac no?). I'm not exited by this. I don't mean to come across as overly negative but i this should have been here 12 months ago or realsed now at $250.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
rsc1000 @ 2/3/2004 3:57:15 PM #
The more i think about this the more annoyed i get. Nobody has ever, in the history of online Palm OS forums, asked 'Please sony, make the buttons smaller! Please Sony no d-pad! Please Sony put the jog-dial on the back!'. What they have asked for is "A VG device in tablet form!" - mentioned on every online forum for 2 years now, every time a new device that isnt this is announced. So, Sony has delivered on this finally - but not without punishing us with the worst button layout ever. They should not be allowed to call it a 'Clie' (Communication Link Information Entertainment) anymore. It should be shortened to 'Cli' - because they have killed a good deal of the devices entertainment capability with setup. GRRRR. I am only asking that they not go off in stupid directions that nobody is asking for. Same goes for you palmOne - put that D-Pad back the way of was!!!

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
bmari20007 @ 2/3/2004 4:31:25 PM #
At the risk of going off topic here, I'd like to point out that the reason T|T3 seems to have changed the D-Pad (and the only thing they changed was make it bigger, same functionality as before it seems to me) was to support landscape as well as portrait. You couldn't have used the old layout in landscape mode as easily as the new one.

They definitely have the right idea whereas Sony has failed miserably on button design (tiny buttons, tiny munchkin keyboards, and wacky uncomfortable button layouts).

It seems like they made it and then said--"oh yeah, we need buttons too don't we? Where can we fit these... this'll work"

However, in fairness, I think this is probably the best button layout they've had since the first one they released--it does fit one's hand more naturally than the awful T6xx layouts.



RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
TTrules @ 2/3/2004 6:39:11 PM #
I like the T3 d-pad. I always game with two hands on the d-pad, and this is perfect for me. In landscape it's even better

One Palm to rule them all!
RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
hkklife @ 2/3/2004 8:09:03 PM #
Couple of updated thoughts from my end since my earlier post:

1. I got my new issue of PSM magazine today. It has some juicy info on the PSP that I hadn't read about online. It said that it has digital d-pad arrows around the analog stick on the left side of the unit, along with two "shoulder" type buttons next to the screen. It said the unit's internal memory is being increased to 40mb (it was going to be 32mb last I heard) and will use a NON-touchscreen 480*320 Clie screen. The whole story was given a "high" probability rating by the magazine. So having read this, it sounds like Sony is indeed positioning the PSP as a hardcore gaming platform and relegating the Clie to multimedia-type stuff. Might we someday soon see the abandonment of all hard buttons (sans power & reset) from a high-end Clie? Very possible, IMHO.

2. I cannot stand the T3's button layout & d-pda. That combined with the yellow screen on my replacement T3 and the continued horrors of G2 are making me seriously think about (I never thought I'd say this) jumping back to a T2 or selling my T3 and using my T|C full-time. For the record, the Treo 600's 5 way navigator is excellent and probably the best PDA controller yet. I'd love to see Palm release a Zire 71 replacement with that navigator and decently sized hard app buttons. It wouldn't compete directly with a Zodiac, but it'd be fine for light gaming usage.

3. The best Sony button layouts were either the original 710/610 series or the cheaper S320/360 monochrome units. I briefly owned an S320 and played many a mean game of Zap! 2000 on its impressively usable buttons!

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
Hal2000 @ 2/3/2004 8:21:58 PM #
Anybody want my optional game cluster from my old tg50? It's in a drawer collecting dust since the Z2 and should work.

Zodiac2/T616
RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
rsc1000 @ 2/3/2004 8:36:38 PM #
My problem with the T3 d-pad is that it is not round like the T, and T2. I dont see how that helps landscope mode - but i can how the new button placement would be better for landscape. The problem with the d-pad is that although it is fine for some games, it is horrible for games with 360 degree type of movement. Diagonals are much harder on the T3 than the T1 (where they were already lacking a little). On the T3, pushing up or down is harder then left or right because there is less plastic to leverage the underlying button press with (less 'lever'). If they would ditch the slider (which i suppose is not a flaw - just a matter of preference), and put back the T1 d-pad BUT surround the d-pad with buttons like on the T3 (though with a bit more distance between them and the d-pad), they'd have my perfect PDA (ok,ok - throw in wifi).

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
Timothy Rapson @ 2/3/2004 10:08:05 PM #
Everything RSC1k said and then some. Right on the mark RSC1k.

The price is just right....for 12 months ago. I think Sony is expecting to sell this here with a list price of $450. The only place I find prices for it on the WWW are Amazon @$400 and some other place at $432. If it had an actual suggested price of the $350 the one stores model numbers implied Sony might be in good shape. Dell's frequent 20% off brings that down below the $300 that is the max I would pay for such a model.

The processor is great for showing video, but I do PIMs and word processing. A 144 MZ OMAP might to that better than Sony's three chip odd duck.

The Memory Stick.

None of the basic OS updates that Palm implemented so well, but all the goofy APIs, non-screen rotation, messed up PIMs, and other problems Sony is famous for. With the NR Sony dragged developers along. With the T3 offering so much and selling so well, I expect the THs to get far less support for their odd features than Sony was commanding last year.

32 MB? Come on.

Finaly, the T3 price may drop as OS 5 runs out of steam. PalmOne always over-manufactures and has lots of stock to deflate selling prices when they need money to make a quarterly statement look less bad. Sony rarely drops prices until their old stock of models is practically worthless (viz. the T22s currently selling for $100.) They offer $50 rebates on high end models at the end of their cycles only. PalmOne will surely update the Zire 71 soon (it is their oldest unupdated model still current.) and the TE is soon to become the TE2 with virtual graffiti. I would rather have any of those PalmOne models (71+, T3, or TE2 for $300 or less than the TH.

The Picsel viewer is not worth what Docs-To-Go is.

It is going to be interesting to see how all these models shake out in the market this Spring and how they impact the PPC competition's sales, very interesting.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
Timothy Rapson @ 2/4/2004 8:31:37 AM #
AND

Dinky stylus

No video recording

Camera should be at least 1 MP, maybe 2

Plastic case


I would pay $200 for it. $400? No way.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:35:26 PM #
$200?! Have you checked ebay lately? m505s are still going for close to $100 and m515s are over $100. And those are USED!

I'm disappointed that the TH55 is coming in at $400 and not $350. I should have figured the $350 was TGTBT! I mean, come on, Sony, you're giving us a paltry 123Mhz!! I don't want to stand next to someone with a lower-priced CLIE running that 200MHz Moto CPU and see them do things faster!

Hell, if you won't drop the price, drop the price of 512MB and 1GB MSticks to compensate.

RE: TH55 no good for gaming...
johnsoax @ 3/15/2004 12:29:20 PM #
I think that this may be the best upgrade device for me currently. Seeing that I currently have a NX60 that I don't use the keyboard, Compact Flash (except for the rare showing off of pictures taken with my Canon G3), Hardbuttons (I only use it in tablet mode, so I rely on Okey for buttons in the task bar) on, the TH55 is perfect. When I want to play action games (GTS Racing, NesEm, or Columns), I will use my game controller. I mainly play Patience anyways ;).

The main value that I see is that I can reuse all of my current accessories (Retractable charge cord, memorystick, cradles (with some modification)). I will have to get a new stylus, but oh well, I can leave my current one in the cradle silo :).

I played with one at CC this weekend. I beamed my launcher, and Lifebalance to it and they both worked great. Considering that most of my usage is PIM, Plucker, and Office stuff with some downtime game playing and limited video watching this seems good. I found the buttons to be usable and the new jog dial, while akward at first, could easily grow on my and wasn't uncomfortable at all.

I have a Wifi network at home, and that is the only one that I know of near me (Most of my relatives that I stay with when out of town also have one). I currently use IR to connect my NX60 to my SE T610 when I need info NOW, but that is incredibly infrequent.

Alex Johnson
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Is motion video recording supported?

SuperBaby @ 2/3/2004 12:40:31 PM #
There are only three things that I need to know. Hope someone can answer these questions when more info becomes available:

1) Is motion video recording supported in TH55?
- This might not be an important feature to others but it is crucial to me. As a tourist guide, I could show videos of many things to my tourists.

2) Can TH55 be upgraded to OS6?
- I understand that PalmOne is working on this.

3) How big is the screen?
- It is as small as UX50 (@#$%^&*!!) or as big as TT3 (yeah!)?

Best regards,
SuperBaby®

RE: Is motion video recording supported?
mar_ning_2000 @ 2/3/2004 12:51:23 PM #
1) Is motion video recording supported in TH55?
Maybe, but that doesn't really matter since there is alreday third party software that will enable this function(I forgot it's name).

2) Can TH55 be upgraded to OS6?
Most likely not!
That's just the way sony do business.
You must buy new device if you want new os.

3) How big is the screen?
The screen is most definitely larger than UX as it can be seem from the pictures and it should be about the same size as TT3.

SL10

RE: Is motion video recording supported?
JKingGrim @ 2/3/2004 3:12:21 PM #
Is motion video recording supported in TH55?
Maybe, but that doesn't really matter since there is alreday third party software that will enable this function(I forgot it's name).

I don't know. I thought SONY doesn't give out its camera APIs.

RE: Is motion video recording supported?
bmari20007 @ 2/3/2004 4:06:07 PM #
Japanese website says its not able to record video itself.

No BT?

Alric @ 2/3/2004 1:10:30 PM #
What's the point! You can access Wi-Fi at certain hotspots but you can BT through your phone from anywhere..

Cheers,

RE: No BT?
TTrules @ 2/3/2004 7:31:33 PM #
Wi-fi is alot faster than bluetooth!

One Palm to rule them all!
RE: No BT?
Mike Allwitt @ 2/3/2004 9:36:18 PM #
Great so with WI-FI I can Fill my PDA's Memory in a 1/10 of the time? Please, I have a T3 and a T616, I browse the web, upload files and generally have no problems. If you need WI-FI in a PDA for the speed, you should have gotten a laptop. The powere requirements for WI-FI alone are horrendous, coupled with the already limited battery life of BT enabled PDA's I'm surprised the industry isn't pushing BT more.
My Laptop has both BT and WI-FI. With BT enabled, I get about 3 hours out of my battery (4 hour rated), surfing via my phone. With 802.11a/b/or/g on I'm lucky to pull an hour and a half, one is the norm.
My PDA dosen't need to be able to download it's entire memory contents in a theoretical minute. BT is a great standard for small device wireless networking (though some of the security and ease of use fetures need to be improved).

Mike Allwitt
Logic X Design, Inc Database Consulting

- Yeh, it's cool. Was it supposed to do that?

RE: No BT?
phoneboy @ 2/3/2004 10:24:46 PM #
...but wi-fi hotspots are few and far between. GPRS coverage (bluetooth link to phone) is all over the place.

RE: No BT?
tfftruoa @ 2/3/2004 11:31:30 PM #
the point of wifi is that it is an easy to connect to, always on, always there, way to access the internet. my (public) high school has wifi everywhere on campus as does many people's house. bluetooth is great. i use it to connect my T3 to the internet through my pc because i lack a bluetooth phone and waiting for the wifi sd seems to frankly niave. i do not have a similar set up at school, however, so i cant access the internet there.

wifi is great because it is infastructure. as long as you have a wifi device, thats all you need when youre near a hotspot (of which there are more and more daily, both private and public). with bluetooth, you need your palm and a bluetooth gprs phone or a bluetooth access point (there are nearly none set up anywhere, and none are public).

i like bluetooth for hotsyns, playing games wirelessly, sneding files, but for internet its not that great.

besides, wifi is faster and gprs it very expensive per kb.

RE: No BT?
Alric @ 2/4/2004 9:04:41 AM #
[quote]besides, wifi is faster and gprs it very expensive per kb.[/quote]

Not so. T-Mobile has unlimited GPRS usage. And you can do dial-up through GSM.

The question is not why Wi-fi but why Wi-fi over BT!?

Cheers,

RE: No BT?
Occasional Visitor @ 2/4/2004 6:18:40 PM #
The cost argument may depend on where you are. Here in the UK subsciption to a commercial WiFi service is much more expensive than the corresponding GPRS bills for the sort of data volume I want to transfer to/from a PDA. But then I only use my Palm for net access when there is something which can't wait and when I cannot use or don't have my laptop - because otherwise why on earth would I use the Palm? So almost always if I want to use the Palm it's for small data volumes in places where there is no WiFi (or none accessible). Hence WiFi on a Palm is not a selling point for me (even though I have WiFi at home and at many of the places I work), whereas BT is essential (that "line of sight" IR stuff is too awkward).



RE: No BT?
Gar @ 2/5/2004 1:14:01 AM #
BT vs. 802.11 pricing and availability argument really depends on where you live. Western US, the cell coverage is pretty good but if you are always in town... all the major towns have free 802.11 networks set up. Sure, it can be a drain on the batteries... but you are getting a lot done pretty quickly too. Time managment of your battery on a high speed free connection versus pay per minute or byte. And of course there are four different cell phone internet services, each with different specialties on area, speed, and signal strength. Hmmm... not a cut and dry argument either way.

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RE: No BT?
Adlopa @ 2/5/2004 10:26:55 AM #
Word is that the UK/European version will have Bluetooth too -- but not the US.

RE: No BT?
Wollombi @ 2/5/2004 1:25:12 PM #
Having both is ideal, and should be the goal of any wireless PDA going to market today.

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The word for today is:

mikecane @ 2/3/2004 1:16:28 PM #
GIMME!

RE: The word for today is:
rened @ 2/3/2004 1:38:29 PM #
TH55 that is?

RE: The word for today is:
scoT1753 @ 2/3/2004 4:26:56 PM #
Me too - it's near perfect...

RE: The word for today is:
Altema @ 2/3/2004 5:14:42 PM #
Mike, we were wondering when you would jump on this! I'm surprised you did not have the first post ;)

RE: The word for today is:
bleedingedge @ 2/4/2004 9:34:16 AM #
I'm delighted to see Sony (and very soon, PalmOne) offering the product a lot of us have been asking for these last 10 months. Tablet design, 320x480, and other various features like BT, Wifi, etc.

I like this Clie very much. I may think about putting the T3 on eBay for this because I don't love the slider. Compact is nice as I carry this thing in my lab coat daily, but not worth a moving part. Already had a screw come loose and I even dented the rear aluminum panel without hitting or dropping the device once(?).

Any idea if Palm OS6 will have the same cool features this new Sony Organizer?

Japanese photos/previews

mikecane @ 2/3/2004 1:20:30 PM #
This first one is 3 pages with many photos. Check out all the funky icons included for Date Book!

http://tinyurl.com/ysno8

http://tinyurl.com/yqhqe

http://tinyurl.com/2qcyb

Sony on their Organizer software, multi-part:

http://tinyurl.com/2y9zm

visavis corp's shopping site listing, with *many* photos and screen snaps:

http://tinyurl.com/3hhey

Have fun!

So, will YOU buy?

RE: Japanese photos/previews
mikecane @ 2/3/2004 1:32:31 PM #
Sony Japan's main site for the TH55:

http://tinyurl.com/2xnp2

RE: Japanese photos/previews
sub_tex @ 2/3/2004 3:29:21 PM #
Man does thing cry out to be bought. Biggest issue with it is no landscape.

Well, that and the fact that when I think about buying it I hear Foo's voice in my ear saying, "Wait. . .OS 6 devices will be out in a month!"

Mike, when this thing hits CUSA or the Sony building, be sure to post up your thoughts in the forums. I'll need to hold this in my hand on lunch breaks to decide if lust will win over sensibility.

RE: Japanese photos/previews
JKingGrim @ 2/3/2004 3:30:41 PM #
That SONY organizer isn't one bit as good looking as the prototype that was displayed. Perhaps the displayed version is for OS6. The UI does kinda match the same look as those could-be OS6 screenies.

RE: Japanese photos/previews
Hal2000 @ 2/3/2004 8:27:51 PM #
Mike, I'll see you at Sony style, just to see if the new software makes you (and me) throwup. Can't wait to see.

Zodiac2/T616
RE: Japanese photos/previews
Gar @ 2/5/2004 1:19:58 AM #
Do you think Sony will sell their new organizer software to run on current NX units? It would be very handy to snap photos of people we meet with and attach those photos to future meetings. Pretty neat that the info transfers across to the desktop app too.

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backlyt @ 2/3/2004 3:05:28 PM #
wow, 2 very nice palms. aside for the stupid location of the scroll wheel and other buttons, the 55 is my perfect palm. oh and what about the rumored BT? I was hoping for that. the 37 is awesome as well, but I love the larger screen. and I really hate the scroll wheel on the front more.

-stupid corporations
RE: droool
bmari20007 @ 2/3/2004 4:13:33 PM #
actually, if you hold your current palm pilot, note where your pointer finger ends up--right where the jog dial and left right buttons lay on the back of this device.

Also, the back button is within easy reach of your pointer finger too.

This is a pretty unique, thoughtful and ingenious layout. I do agree however that a D-Pad would be nice, but it may be possible to play games with the jog dial and left/right buttons (if painfully).

Clearly for gaming they'd prefer you drop more dough on the accessory they sell for that purpose.

RE: droool
bmari20007 @ 2/3/2004 4:23:51 PM #
okay well maybe you could hold it without your finger ending up there, but its not a stretch to hold it that way--3 fingers on one side, your thumb on the other side, and your pointer finger in the top middle of the back of the device.

RE: droool
xumdeo @ 2/3/2004 10:10:31 PM #
i've posted quite abit of live pics on the forum
http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20483

enjoy

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looking forward to OLED + 128Mb RAM+ MSPRO + SDIO + 400Mhz + bluetooth + Wi-fi super palm!!

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T3 For Sale

4s @ 2/3/2004 4:36:34 PM #
I think this is enough for me to sell my T3. I really don't like the slider and have always wanted hi-res, color Palm without a static grafitti area.

Anyone know if the Palm Wireless keyboard will work with these models?

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T3 Still wins

xavier @ 2/3/2004 4:33:06 PM #
WiFi is cool. WiFi plus BT would be great.

Having owned a T3 for several months now, the TH55 trails signigicantly in memory and speed. I know 400 MHz seems overkill, but after getting used to it, it would be hard to settle for less. As far as memory, I use a lot of apps that update often that still haven't heard of memory cards and I only have about 19 MB free after putting everything else I could on the card. Not to mention that the TT3 comes with Docs to go that allows editing on the PDA.

I confess before owning a TT3 I was in the slider cursing camp, but really it works very well. With Grafitti 2, you never even have to open it in apps that don't support HiRes+. No ebay for my TT3 yet...

RE: T3 Still wins
Altema @ 2/3/2004 5:21:38 PM #
I'd forgotten about the speed, and really don't think much about RAM anymore, but those are good points. The 55 is also missing decent buttons, voice recorder, a speaker facing the right direction, and BT, but the wi-fi is a welcome feature.

RE: T3 Still wins
hotpaw4 @ 2/3/2004 6:06:02 PM #
someone wrote:
> The 55 is also missing ... voice recorder ...

According the the Sony website, the TH55 has a voice recorder... haven't seen any info yet on whether it uses the OS 5 sound API's or Sony's own. Only the TJ37 spec mentions including the Aeroplayer mp3/music player.

RE: T3 Still wins
Palmary @ 2/3/2004 6:48:35 PM #
Yep, I love my T3. I like the slider, the speed and the screen. And the stylus is one of the very best stock stylli produced. But most of all I like the memory. I too thought that the 64mb was overkill - now I have just 11.9mb free!

After initial scepticism, I think the T3's buttons leave the Clie for dead. Though I am not a gamer myself, I do understand why gamers don't like the T3's button layout. However, for 'normal' use I think the layout is brilliant.

Lack of WiFi is the T3's only weakness, but as my workplace can't get its act together and successfully install a WiFi network, I guess it isn't a big deal for me :-)

Vx->m500->m505->m515->TT->T2->T3/TC

RE: T3 Still wins
Hal2000 @ 2/3/2004 8:46:44 PM #
The latest areoplayer is excellent.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: T3 Still wins
Hal2000 @ 2/3/2004 8:48:02 PM #
But the the new pocket tunes is probably best- tryed em' all.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: T3 Still wins
Timothy Rapson @ 2/3/2004 10:03:48 PM #
T3 also has the OS 5 updates like increased Memo and clipping size. The T3 is not worth $400 when HP is selling 1935s for <$200, but it is worth more than this TH55. On top of the price being the same if I get the 512 MB card I need to use it properly the TH55 has another immediate penalty of $50-70 for the more expensive MS vs. SD format.

RE: T3 Still wins
Vidge @ 2/3/2004 10:53:40 PM #
Yep. The T3 still outshines this unit IMHO: 400mhz vs 123 (or whatever that Sony Handheld engine puts out), 52 meg usable vs 32 meg. BT vs none.

Think I'll be keeping my T3 a while longer:D

Moderator, Daily Gadget
http://www.dailygadget.com

RE: T3 Still wins
bmari20007 @ 2/4/2004 2:00:21 AM #
I've heard from other discussions that built in Wi-Fi doesn't do as well as SDIO Wi-Fi. I sincerely hope that

1) T|T3 Price Drop
2) SDIO Cards for Wi-Fi supporteed with any Palm OS (and/or)
3) Palm OS 6 T|T3 Upgrade

all occur so I can put this TH55 slight craving firmly behind me.

Still working with a T615 for now...

New Stylus?

jjsoh @ 2/3/2004 5:42:32 PM #
Have they improved at all with the stylus design or are they still using the crappy ones that need some tape on the end tips to stay in place in the slot?

I didn't see any images of it so I can't even judge whether it would still potentially fall out easily like all the other CLIE models.

Jim

RE: New Stylus?
Hal2000 @ 2/3/2004 8:53:54 PM #
Japanese people have smaller hands etc. so the skinny stylus makes them look more growm up.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: New Stylus?
4s @ 2/3/2004 8:59:02 PM #
More grown up? What are you talking about?

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RE: New Stylus?
Hal2000 @ 2/3/2004 9:01:26 PM #
If you must ask, my last girlfriend was Japanese and very comfortable, OK, she was small. Why do I relate PDA's to everything?

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: New Stylus?
robrecht @ 2/4/2004 8:24:30 AM #
The manual posted on the FCC site last month showed the incredibly small SONY toothpick style stylus. Buy a stylus/pen/laster pointer combination.

Thanks, robrecht

Am I hot?

tthiel @ 2/3/2004 10:13:30 PM #
Cool
Built in wi-fi
320X480 screen with no slider.

Not Cool
Memory stick
Toothpick stylus
Teensy weensy buttons
Awful Clie interface
Useless camera

I'll stick with my T3 and get the Wi-Fi T4.

I do not want a camera!!!

Ambassador @ 2/3/2004 11:22:52 PM #
Why Oh why do we have to have cameras on every new device. It is hard to find a good new phone w/o a camera and it looks like it may get hard to find a good PDA w/o one too soon.

If this keep up the only place you will be carrying your PDA will be in your car... No gym, no court, no who knows where else...

If I want a camera I will buy one... A stand alone camera will suit me fine!

Serving Christ thru serving others,

Stuart

RE: I do not want a camera!!!
bmari20007 @ 2/4/2004 2:05:46 AM #
Okay after viewing these close ups of the stylus and the buttons, I cannot vouch for the buttons on that thing at all. The buttons look like they're small for Frodo's hands. I'm boycotting this thing. Who has fingers that small?

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20483

RE: I do not want a camera!!!
Palmary @ 2/4/2004 5:25:05 PM #
I hear ya! For 95% of the population, cameras in phones and PDAs are nothing more than a gimmick anyway. And if you are seriously into taking photos you probably want a better quality camera.

Vx->m500->m505->m515->TT->T2->T3/TC
RE: I do not want a camera!!!
sgingras @ 2/5/2004 1:41:26 PM #
My employer at my primary gig absolutely forbids camera PDAs and camera phones. If you put a camera on your PDA, I will not buy it.

Even if they did not have this policy, I completely agree that these cameras are worthless gimmicks. They are low quality and just not worth the effort. Stop trying to make a product that is both a dessert topping and a floor wax!

cheers,
Steve

RE: I do not want a camera!!!
Wollombi @ 2/5/2004 3:36:26 PM #
>>If this keep up the only place you will be carrying your PDA will be in your car... No gym, no court, no who knows where else...<<

You may get your wish. I can't remember where I saw it, but a recent study found that average consumers are beginning to find their devices too complicated for day to day use. Most want just a phone, or just a PDA, not a Swiss-Army-Knife-like device. The result is that we will likely see a trend toward simplification again, without all the extras. It will just take a few years.

Me, I like gadgets to a certain extent as long as I can use them easily (that whole zen thing). Put a good interface on it and make it easy to use no matter how many gadgets are contained, and it's a winner for me. My only want for a camera on my phone is so I can take those "pics of opportunity" from time to time, like when a guy cuts you off on the highway, gets a small dent in his bumper, then tells the insurance company that you totally crumpled his quarterpanel (NOT). A few quick pics would have been nice then. I'm not looking to do professional grade photography here. Also, I prefer it on my phone, since that can email the pic from right there, whereas on my PDA, I have to go back to my PC. Like I said, I'm all about convenience.

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Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

TH55 gets busy

mikecane @ 2/4/2004 12:40:40 AM #
Man, there's a lot of stuff that can go on in that new CLIE Organizer, judging from the screen shots. I love the level of integration -- I wish it was an OS-level feature so you could split windows between *any* two/three programs. I *depend* on being able to have a DOC file open and calling up PopUp Note. OS5 will kill that, unfortunately...

One of the deal-killers could be that JogRoller positioning. Go to a store and hold one of the CLIEs that have it in the TH55's position. You can roll that cylinder fine with your index finger -- but just *try* pushing in the two flanking buttons. Yecch.

Still, can't wait to get this in my hands and fondle it.

RE: TH55 gets busy
bmari20007 @ 2/4/2004 2:08:37 AM #
yeah I agree--the left right buttons are just way too small.

WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH BIG BUTTONS SONY?

Pre-order locations

Miss Clie @ 2/4/2004 2:17:54 PM #
Found at Computers4Sure.com for $430.95

http://www.computers4sure.com/product.asp?productid=1860560&affid=673

Found at DataVis.com as the HT-55 for $394.99

http://www.datavis.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=445806&prmenbr=2000

Any other locations found?

RE: Pre-order locations
Miss Clie @ 2/4/2004 2:30:50 PM #
Finally scratched it out of Amazon (listed for $399.99)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001D09XY/104-7316851-2659900?v=glance

RE: Pre-order locations
Miss Clie @ 2/4/2004 2:38:08 PM #
Should have been more specific on the above 3 links; they're all for the TH55.

Here are the links for the TJ37 and TJ27 from Amazon:

37: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001D09YI/104-7316851-2659900?v=glance

27: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001D09Y8/104-7316851-2659900?v=glance

Interesting that they offer pre-order on the 37, but not the 27 at this time. Perhaps it's a later release.

RE: Pre-order locations
Foo Fighter @ 2/4/2004 4:18:12 PM #
LOL!!!! $400 for 32MB RAM? Now I'm definitely not interested.

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RE: Pre-order locations
mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:41:03 PM #
Oh stop, Foo. If it was still $350, you'd still not be interested. Don't use price as an excuse.

What PDA are you using these days, anyhoo?

RE: Pre-order locations
Wollombi @ 2/6/2004 4:32:58 PM #
Now that's a hilarious question coming from Mike Cane! LOL!

Anyhow, on to the subject at hand (no pun intended), I'm still not sold on this. I've become accustomed to the 400MHz proc and 64MB or RAM on my T3, and this "Handheld Engine" isn't proven yet, and has previously performed, shall we say, less than stellar.

If you could guarantee comparable performance, make it 64MB (at a minimum), make it SD instead of MS or alongside of MS, and put the jog dial/back button back on the side where it's usable, add BT and good battery life, I'd definitely be looking at this puppy. I really don't think it's too much to ask, is it?

Unfortunately, Sonly has no concept of usable buttons, and if they made this the battery life would be about 10 minutes. Sadly, Palm has begun to follow suit on the battery life issue with the T3. I've had to be happy with the Power To Go as a backup power solution (which honestly isn't that bad, it's like having an "extended life battery" for your cell phone).

Maybe the next model will get it right. One of the biggest things I hated about my T615 was that it was locked into Memory Stick. If I had the option of SD too, it would have (and still would be) an non-issue for me.

_________________
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Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

RE: Pre-order locations
Foo Fighter @ 2/7/2004 9:10:51 AM #
>> "What PDA are you using these days, anyhoo?"

I have a T3 and T|E on loan from PalmOne, after I send return them next week I will be back to an iPaq 1945 as my primary PDA until OS6 hardware rolls out, which can't come soon enough for me. :-(


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RE: Pre-order locations
mikecane @ 2/8/2004 4:59:18 PM #
Two replies in one:

Sean: I'm using an S320. I've always had a PDA -- just haven't bought any of the ones I've lusted after (in that respect, I've been a PDA stalker -- unlike the sad personal stalkers here). You basically want everything past CLIEs had -- with SD. Fat chance. I'm putting together a 16MB MStick of test programs and data and will run all of it before plunking down $$. And even after plunking down $$ -- if I do -- it'll be interesting to see how it deals with my tons of files.

Foo: I thought you *liked* PPC, so why so sad? At least that 1945 does 30fps video. It's a speedy little bugger. Too bad you need a dongle for that teeny earphone jack and can't use any keyboards with that connector. I'd be surprised if OS6 PDAs came out before June now... Sony must have a window of sales with their OS5 devices, you know...

Goodby T3

joschell @ 2/4/2004 3:54:15 PM #
I am glad I still have a few days to return my new T3. Hopefully Sony will include the old Grafitti on this unit. (I imagine Decuma will also be on there)
RE: Goodby T3
mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:32:42 PM #
Decuma is in there. So is the nasty evil Graf2!!

Can someone tell us if G2 can be replaced with G1, as on the TT2 & TT3?!

TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **

mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:08:02 PM #
http://www.cliesource.com linked to this set of photos

http://www.clieclub.jp/review/rev_th55tj37/th55.html

taken by CLIE otaku in Japan.

My God! Take a pill before you go look. It will induce cramps of lust in you!

I had no idea it was the same size as the prior T-series!

I want I want I want...

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:16:27 PM #
Thank God for the Japanese CLIE otaku!

Check out this weird picture of the standard Launcher. Why all that space at the bottom?

http://www.clieclub.jp/review/rev_th55tj37/images/IMGP0049_JPG.jpg

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:19:49 PM #
First look at the new Memo Pad. Hmmm...

http://www.clieclub.jp/review/rev_th55tj37/images/IMGP0027_JPG.jpg

And check out the new Date Book. I hope all that space can be closed up...

http://www.clieclub.jp/review/rev_th55tj37/images/IMGP0021_JPG.jpg

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:24:42 PM #
This is a VERY nice feature of the new desktop software. The right side exactly mirrors the CLIE screen. You see the info as you would on the CLIE itself. I always thought this was needed. Nice work, Sony.

http://www.clieclub.jp/review/rev_th55tj37/images/IMGP0117_JPG.jpg

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
mikecane @ 2/4/2004 9:30:06 PM #
The tour ends with a nice shot of the Netfront browser. Look, no side<->side scrolling. Is this Zoom Out or Fit To Window? It's nice.

http://www.clieclub.jp/review/rev_th55tj37/images/IMGP0043_JPG.jpg

From what I see of that new desktop software, it looks like Mac users will be SOL. One more reason why I'm glad I dropped Mac years ago (evil grin).

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
rsc1000 @ 2/5/2004 3:28:38 PM #
Im really trying to understand why you (and others) suddenly are so excited by this unit. I agree that built-in wifi and a vg device with tablet form factor is something most of us want. But to charge this much for a device that has the unproven 'Sony Handheld Engine'(developers are having problems getting it to go to 123mhz), only 32MB of RAM, and the awful buttons is just insane. The equivalent PocketPC from DELL (built in wifi as well BUT with 64mb and 400mhz) costs only $285. As said in earlier post - im a Palm OS user so i dont want the Dell. But the point is that this is bad value for the $$$ and has flaws. Why are you so excited by this?

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
rsc1000 @ 2/5/2004 3:28:38 PM #
...oh yes - cradle sold seperately!

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
mikecane @ 2/5/2004 6:23:07 PM #
>>>Why are you so excited by this?

Because in my own case, I'll be going from a *mono* 8MB CLIE S320. Are you kidding? This is like getting into Heaven for me. Well, CLIE Heaven.

Of course there are shortcomings: lousy stylus (but I've taken to using a separate 2-in-1 these days, with a Windows Mobile logo on it, freebie courtesy of a WinMob rep), weird Jog Roller and its placement, and no landscape.

But I think I can make do with 32MB (I've done so with just 8!), no landscape, and try to adapt to that Roller.

The camera is icing (which I could really do without in preference to a *proper* JogDial). The 320x480 (with no slider) is what I've been waiting for. And the size (same as old T series) is just right.

And WiFi!! (I'm around many free HotSpots).

Does that answer it for you?

RE: TH55 ** LUST PHOTOS!! **
Wollombi @ 2/6/2004 4:47:43 PM #
I agree with rsc1000 that this is a poor value comparatively, but that's what happens when you buy Sonly.

>>" The right side exactly mirrors the CLIE screen. You see the info as you would on the CLIE itself."<<

I agree that this is a VERY nice touch. I'd like to see it on all Palm Desktop versions.

_________________
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Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

Screen technology/Camera button

davidtcollett @ 2/5/2004 2:42:40 AM #
Is the screen type on the tj37 going to be the same as the screen on th55, ie with brightness, clarity, etc? Also, in one of the pics of the tj, they showed the handheld sideways (landscape), with what looked like a finger clicking a possible shutter button? This would be much more conveinent than having to use the stylus

First TH55 review

mikecane @ 2/5/2004 2:32:07 PM #
RE: First TH55 review
mikecane @ 2/5/2004 2:38:28 PM #
PDA France's bottom line, via babelfish (cleaned up)

We liked:
* The very aggressiveprice of 450 EUR, including all taxes
* Very professional elegant design
* Very beautiful matte black casing.
* Screen of superb quality
* Integrated Bluetooth and Wi-Fi (European model)
* Decuma HWR
* Dimensions/weight is ideal
* Support of Memory Stick Pro
* Integrated application PIM: Clié Organizer

We liked less:
* The slipping serrated roller Jog Dial
* The odd disappearance of video recording
* The hardness of the camera release
* The optical quality of the camera

One would have liked:
* A memory NAND as on the UX50
*... and back-up automatic of data RAM of the UX50

Funny that they didn't mention the bloody awful stylus...

Lots of gorgeous pictures at that review. Go see!

RE: First TH55 review
JonathanChoo @ 2/5/2004 2:49:20 PM #
The reviewer likes the stylus.

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StarTac > Ericsson T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630

Next PDA/Phone: T/T4 or VGA PPC or Treo 610/S-E T650

RE: First TH55 review
mikecane @ 2/5/2004 2:53:48 PM #
I was posting while scanning the article. I see in the text that he does indeed like it.

Get a load of that battery life! Am I right -- he's claiming FOUR HOURS OF VIDEO is possible?

He also says that you forget the thing is running at "only" 123MHz. Hmmm... did he load any other programs on it?!

RE: First TH55 review
abosco @ 2/5/2004 6:33:23 PM #
It doesn't look like he spent enough time with the device, to me. He liked the stylus? Impossible. Nobody likes the toothpick besides the people who see me telescope it out of my PDA, but don't get a chance to touch it.

Four hours of video sounds possible. If the lazy bastardized reviewer (read: Ryan) put up a quickie of the NX80, you'd see that gets 3:30 hours of battery life when playing movies, and Sony had officially rated that at 11 days battery life. The TH55, when rated the same way, gets 15 days. That shows about a 35% increase in battery life from the NX80v, which gets excellent life. But this is probably due to the amazing battery conserving technology (slow speed) of the HandHeld Engine. Since the reviewer said he sometimes forgot it ran at 123 MHz, I'm wondering what the extent of his demanding tasks were.

Hell, after I sometimes reset my NX, I'll immediately realize when I enter an application that I forgot to adjust the processor speed. And taking into consideration the much faster 200 MHz X-Scale bothers the hell out of me, there's no chance I could live with that HHE. Sorry, but I think this reviewer put on way too much icing.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: First TH55 review
mikecane @ 2/5/2004 7:24:09 PM #
>>>Sorry, but I think this reviewer put on way too much icing.

Could be. But I still want to fondle it.

It still seems as if it's the first PalmOS unit I really really really want to buy.

And look at the battery life specs for WiFi! What have you to say about that?

RE: First TH55 review
abosco @ 2/5/2004 7:43:02 PM #
Wifi usage is on par with movie viewing. I get almost the exact same usage times.

And about the buttons and gameplay - Sony has the GC-10 that was available from Best Buy for $7.99 for a few months. An employee took one out of the box and fit it on my Clie, and I was impressed with the feel. If you know you are going to play a decent amount of games, consider investing the cash in one of these. The price is probably back up to $30.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: First TH55 review
mikecane @ 2/6/2004 12:10:22 AM #
Aw, come on, abosco, can you imagine me sitting there playing dorky zoomzoom games on my PDA? That for -- pardon the expression, youngster -- kids.

Chess, Text Twist, and the like are my speed. And 123MHz is just fine for that sort of stuff.

RE: First TH55 review
abosco @ 2/8/2004 5:11:18 PM #
>>Chess, Text Twist, and the like are my speed. And 123MHz is just fine for that sort of stuff.

For chess, I'd imagine you would want the fastest speeds available. Or are you so bad that you can't get past the trainer levels? ;)

Games like Warfare Inc are strategy games, and many adults are glad to admit they still play these games.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: First TH55 review
mikecane @ 2/9/2004 2:09:09 AM #
>>>For chess, I'd imagine you would want the fastest speeds available. Or are you so bad that you can't get past the trainer levels? ;)

Har-har. I once beat a Sun Workstation at Chess.

*LOTS* of TH55 details

mikecane @ 2/5/2004 3:13:16 PM #
RE: *LOTS* of TH55 details
Hal2000 @ 2/5/2004 7:32:53 PM #
Join the club.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: *LOTS* of TH55 details
Hal2000 @ 2/5/2004 7:38:41 PM #
You are going to despise the flipcover. Trust me. Removed it from my old trusty TG50.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: *LOTS* of TH55 details
mikecane @ 2/6/2004 12:13:37 AM #
No, I think I'll *love* the flip cover. My first PDA was a Palm III and I've missed its hard flipcover.

I've *hated* the S320's microfiber lid, but never removed it.

First US TH55 Review

mikecane @ 2/10/2004 11:29:47 AM #
http://www.brighthand.com/article/Sony_Clie_TH55_Review

Ed over at Brighthand has been a lucky dog, having had it for some time.

Sony Tech Support

niolonra @ 3/5/2004 9:03:46 PM #
Hey Sony Users
I've about had it with Palm's version of tech support - "Just delete and reinstall everything. That will fix it" - and am seriously considering a switch to Sony TH55.

Has anyone contacted Sony tech Support and is it any good?
Thanks
Richard

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