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February 10th, 2004, San Jose, California. The annual PalmSource developer conference kicked off with a keynote speech from David Nagel, CEO of PalmSource. Read on for PalmInfocenter's coverage of the opening keynote and Nagel's remarks on the current state of affairs in the Palm Economy.
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What about Linux?

robman @ 2/11/2004 9:06:13 PM #
Hey Ryan,

Did Nagel say anything about Linux? True, the only notable Linux device today is the Sharp Zaurus, but it seems like Linux has the potential to compete directly with the Palm OS much more than Microsoft.



Palm Enthusiast since 1998

RE: What about Linux?
abosco @ 2/11/2004 9:31:45 PM #
The Sharp Zaurus has only really caught on in Japan (where everything else high-tech catches on, really), but nowhere else. Linux is a very small player, even for the PDA space, and I doubt he mentioned it. Palm vs WM vs Symbian is at the forefront.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: What about Linux?
helf @ 2/11/2004 11:09:08 PM #
and that is one reason I plan on moving to japan

RE: What about Linux?
icebalm @ 2/11/2004 11:15:51 PM #
Linux is not a "very small player" considering it has more desktop marketshare than Macintosh computers. It is however a small player in the PDA world, currently.
RE: What about Linux?
jjsoh @ 2/12/2004 12:31:51 AM #
Linux is not a "very small player" considering it has more desktop marketshare than Macintosh computers.

Do you have any references to support these claims? I find this hard to believe. I can see Linux as occupying a large portion of the server market, but not on the desktop.

Jim

RE: What about Linux?
;-) @ 2/12/2004 12:56:26 AM #
I can see Linux as occupying a large portion of the server market, but not on the desktop.

And you would be right. Linux as a desktop OS is for geeks only right now. Windows and Mac are for real people. And Windows only is for real business users. It comes down to standardization and ease of use. Two concepts the Linux dreamers seem incapable of grasping.



It's just too big.

RE: What about Linux?
jws @ 2/12/2004 3:23:29 AM #
>And you would be right. Linux as a desktop OS is for geeks only right now. Windows and Mac are for real people.

Yes, because geeks aren't real people. :rolleyes:

-- jws
(Palm m100 > Palm IIIc > Oregon Scientific Osaris > Palm m125 > Sony CLIE SJ22 > Palm Tungsten|E)

RE: What about Linux?
lobotomic @ 2/12/2004 5:23:49 AM #
> And you would be right. Linux as a desktop OS is for
> geeks only right now. Windows and Mac are for real
> people

Hey, have you looked outside your frontiers? There's a whole world there! I know FAR more people running Linux on a desktop than I do using Macs -- of course, they are way less numerous than Windows users, that is true, but it is clear that Macs are sadly a dying platform.

As for platforms other than PC's, there are as many mobile-phone users in China right now as there are inhabitants in the US. And China wants Linux on its smartphones and desktops. Oh, and Japan does too -- just check DoCoMo ... It's not just the evil communists that want to rain on Microsoft's and PalmOne's sad parade.

Smartphones will prevail, and PDAs will disappear: And Linux has a GOOD opportunity to get traction in that arena; it is fast, it is powerful, it can be made small, and it is free, as in freedom and as in beer.

RE: What about Linux?
a3 @ 2/12/2004 8:39:48 AM #
"it is clear that Macs are sadly a dying platform"

Mac being the de facto standard in industrial design and publishing I do not see why you call it a dying platform. Besides, if someone is going to lose share to Linux it is going to be Microsoft and that is going to be for just one reason: If you have apple with say a 10% share and Microsoft with a 90% and you want Linux or unix or Palm for PC or Simbian for PC to gain some market which company's share will you focs on?

____________________________________________
Former Tapwave's Helix fan, now a T|T3 fan.

RE: What about Linux?
rory @ 2/12/2004 10:28:56 AM #
A growth in Linux use will erode Microsoft's market share (or installed base more accurately, as most PCs ship with Windows regardless of what people end up running on them). It won't effect the number of people using Macs (you can run Linux on a Mac if you so wish anyway).

The Mac platform is by no means dying at all, it's in fact starting to pick up steam again, breaking out of it's traditional niche of graphic design and publishing into new fields like super computing, bio tech, film and TV production, heck even the games scene is really starting to pick up. Why? Mac OS X is everything Linux has been trying to be for years - a stable, good looking OS with main stream application support which is powerful enough for hard core geeks and easy enough to use for your granny. The only reason Apple hasn't really doubled it's market share in the last few years has been the fault of Motorola screwing up the G4 and the poor economy putting people off of higher priced purchases. Since we now have super fast chips from IBM all we need is a better economy for a boom in Mac sales imo.

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Visor Deluxe > iPod > Clie SJ33 > Zire 71 > ?

RE: What about Linux?
Foo Fighter @ 2/12/2004 1:42:11 PM #
Quote: If you have apple with say a 10% share and Microsoft with a 90%

Except that Apple has nowhere near 10% marketshare. Currently it is around a mere 3%, and hasn't been above 5% in years.

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Contributing Editor, Digital Media Thoughts
Editor, Pocketfactory.com

RE: What about Linux?
a3 @ 2/12/2004 3:13:53 PM #
I was especulating. Your figures further reinforce my point.

_________________________________________________________________________________________
Current fan of a 320x480 tablet shaped PDA with built in BT+Wifi for less than US$500
RE: What about Linux?
JonathanChoo @ 2/12/2004 4:49:20 PM #
With the increasing number of Linux live CDs (good for intro) and with the continuing support of IBM, Sun, Novell, HP etc, Linux is bound to continue rising especially on the server end. Those new to Linux I suggest trying out Knoppix.

Desktop Linux may take a few more years to mature, but right now I am seeing it everywhere. Even 60 year old grandmothers are using them on 100Mhz old PCs.

RE: What about Linux?
SAS @ 2/14/2004 5:33:30 AM #
[i]Do you have any references to support these claims? [/i]

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/13/2134234.shtml?tid=106&tid=107&tid=185&tid=187

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/bw/20040213/bs_bw/b3871118mz063

This is the beauty - having alternatives & conscious choice.

RE: What about Linux?
DonCarcharo @ 2/18/2004 12:41:53 AM #
Do you have any references to support these claims?

Actually, as I understand it, those numbers touted by the Linux camp are for new computer purchases, an area where Apple has been abysmal now for the past decade or so (>3%). The total installed base of Macs is probably significantly higher, at least for now. But a valid point, nonetheless.

Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.

;-) @ 2/11/2004 11:29:17 PM #
The PalmSource chief then looked back at some of the high tech trends that emerged over the course of 2003, such as smartphones gaining mainstream acceptance, digital camera sales surpassing film cameras, Bluetooth beginning to reach critical mass, and the success of Apple's iPod and the iTunes service.

- smartphones are nowhere near "gaining mainstream acceptance"

- Bluetooth may be shipping in a lot of hardware, but I don't think a lot of people are actually USING it for anything. Reminds me of IR with Palms and laptops.

- iPod is a slick industrial design, but I expect iTunes to implode soon enough. The idea seems sound until you realize that everyone wants something for nothing. Record companies are rethinking the whole downloadable music paradigm and still are experimenting with a few new formats. I think they'd be better off just selling "value-added" CDs with features like extra discs with DVD of videos, stickers, mail-in trinkets and let users make their own MP3s after they've bought the CDs. You won't ever change people's expectation that MP3s should be free.

These keynote speeches are always such a pile of BS.


It's just too big.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
yerrago @ 2/11/2004 11:45:27 PM #
As they say buddy, "Go to where the puck is going, not to where it is."

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
abosco @ 2/12/2004 12:12:56 AM #
You're so full of ****, face icon. If it's not Nagel, it's Mace. If it's not Mace, it's Cane. If it's not Cane, it's the Editor. If it's not the Editor, it's me. If it's not me, it's anybody else willing to point out that your rabid rantings are pointless.

Here's a suggestion - take your best two handles, The Ugly Truth and face icon, and combine them into one great super-handle that fits you to a T - The Ugly Face.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
;-) @ 2/12/2004 12:45:36 AM #
As they say buddy, "Go to where the puck is going, not to where it is."

Who are you... Don "The Femme" Cherry?

I'll bet you've never dropped yer gloves, buddy.

;-)



It's just too big.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
yerrago @ 2/12/2004 1:50:04 AM #
It's a little too late to be overwhelmed. Why don't you go back in time and picture yourself in a time where the earth is the center of the universe? There you'll have plenty of good company.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
adamrichman @ 2/12/2004 1:55:20 AM #
Ladies, ladies... why are you b****ing at eachother?

Just enjoy the article...

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
a3 @ 2/12/2004 8:46:35 AM #
Face:

1.) Notwithstanding the fact that your comments regarding apple´s success may be right or wrong, please bear in mind that Nagel said was that in 2003 the iPod and iTunes were a huge success. I think that you can not say much about that because the 20+ iPod wannabes and the 10+ iTunes wannabe that appeared from companies as Rio, Creative, Gateway, Dell, Real Networks among others may prove you wrong. As a matter of fact, HP has licensed iPod and iTunes, that "is just too big".
2.) About the Bluetooth comment, from what I've heard this technology is not very popular in the US but it sure is in Europe. Probably your comment is based on an US bias.
3.) About the smartphone issue, I have no idea whatsoever.

____________________________________________
Former Tapwave's Helix fan, now a T|T3 fan.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
hkklife @ 2/12/2004 9:15:44 AM #
Folks, :-)/The UGly Truth etc might get some feathers ruffled now & again but he/she/it does make some valid points.

A year ago I thought '03 would be a watershed year for Smartphones. Aside from the Treo 600, I haven't seen *anything* that excites me to any great deal (and the 600 still has room for improvement but it's a helluva good step in the right direction).

I think that a huge hurdle for smartphone acceptance is cost. Your average joe 6-pack consumer will go into his carrier's store with an expired contract. He can re-up for 2 years and get a new flashy T730 or a Kyocera slider or something similarly hip. They have color screens, polyphonic ringers, possibly even a built-in camera (I mean the "free w/ 2 year commitment" phone deals). How on earth can someone like that be persuaded to drop $300-$400 on a Smartphone that might be "harder to use & more likely to break" (in their opinion) than their subsidized freebie that does "more or less the same stuff" (out of the box, they are actually pretty right with that assertion.

I think that as long as the sheer volumes of standard cell handsets being sold continue to refelct a fairly decent features:price ratio, smartphones will at best achieve maybe......20% market penetration amongst the techie/affluent/gee-whiz cell phone crowd? And you'll still have the die-hard early adopters who would rather wield something like a T68 & a T3 and alternate their equipment upgrades (new PDA this year, new cel the next etc).

Rant:
Finally, like :-), I don't see what's so spectacular over Apple's online store, aside from ease of use and decent availability. Who cares if you can download Christina & Britney online? They'r in every new music section and ever used bin in America. What I want to see is a SERIOUS commitment by the labels to drop the price of all new releases-$9.99 would be nice-and make serious inroads to archiving and offerng online all deleted backatalog albums that are no longer in print. As a fan of non-mainstream acts (or once mainstream acts that are no longer "relevant" in the eyes of their labels), it's important that these bodies of work, no matter the lack of mainstream appeal, be preserved for collectors & future generations of fans. In addition to that, there is still a lot of material out there, especially old 7" & 12" singles and whatnot, that has never been released on CD and is likely never to be. Imagine someone like Arista or Warner Bros. opening an online museum, offerng these moldy old tracks for, say, less than $1 apiece. They'd still get *something* for these old tunes (think along the lines of a 25 year old Flock of Seagulls b-side)which is more than you can say for someone buying a used CD off of E-Bay or a used music retailer.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
Altema @ 2/12/2004 10:18:10 AM #
"I don't see what's so spectacular over Apple's online store, aside from ease of use and decent availability."

Agreed. I like the interface, but the 'iPod or nothing' attitude for mobile devices irks me. At least their support could at least respond... guess I'll archive their confirmation email for laughs.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
skennedy1217 @ 2/12/2004 10:37:04 AM #
"Here's a suggestion - take your best two handles, The Ugly Truth and face icon, and combine them into one great super-handle that fits you to a T - The Ugly Face."

Good one, Bosco! You had me ROTFL... Like hoodoo did for his 32K x 32K post the other day, you deserve some kind of award.

________________________________
M100==>M500==>T|T==>T|T2==> ?

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
rory @ 2/12/2004 10:42:10 AM #
Remember because the RIAA are greedy buggers Apple isn't making any money from iTunes Music Store, the entire point is to get people to buy iPods which do make Apple a profit. It's a value added service, and a very popular one. How companies which are not making profit from other sources plan to keep their music stores going is beyond me :]

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Visor Deluxe > iPod > Clie SJ33 > Zire 71 > ?
RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
mike_c @ 2/12/2004 11:09:19 AM #
I cannot speak for the US market, bu tin Europe smart phone take-up is going very well indeed. Sony-Ericsson 610's are hard to come by, and the new T630 almost impossible becaues they are selling so fast, with the Z600 and P900 also proving popular. As for bluetooth, the take-up is going very well indeed. A recent search for an acceptable quality IR receiver was met recently with a near universal reply of "sorry, we don't do IR stuff anymore, it's all bluetooth". And indeed it is. The bluetooth keyboards and mice now available are also selling reasonably well, and Bluetooth in phones is proving a major selling point, not least because data cables are often hard to come by and always expensive, and Ir devices have a terrible track record of screwing your machine. The only brake to further expansion is that the network operators are charging extortionate rates for data calls, although this should improve once the market reaches saturation point and the price wars start.

T3=>T610

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
a3 @ 2/12/2004 11:57:03 AM #
Regarding iTunes:
- This software lets you rip, sort, buy, burn and tag your songs, it's very stable (even on a PC), has no ads and did I mention IT IS FREE? Is there any other with all this features for such a "reasonable" price?
- The iTunes store which is currently available only in the US was the first way to legally obtain the music you want for an affordable price! No wonder why they escalated the digital music market in less than a year.
- Maybe the "iPod only" idea is supported on the fact that this software is free. If they are not charging you for it, it is fair to say that they can use it as a value added for their hardware. It is the same thing that Microsoft did with their windows media audio (wma) format.

____________________________________________
Former Tapwave's Helix fan, now a T|T3 fan.
RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
lobotomic @ 2/12/2004 1:01:09 PM #
Well, you've got to admit that a T630 and a T3 are not quite in the same league. The T3 has way more powerful software, a lot more memory, and a lot more multimedia power.

But it is true that something like the T630 probably needs just a tad more memory and a screen a bit larger in order to run something like Linux+Qtopia (which will fit fine in 5M Flash and 8M RAM, including PIM and MicroJava) and then the gap will close a lot. I don't expect waiting a lot for this to happen.

You can get a T630 for about 130¤ (low-end Zire terrain) from Vodafone. I'm sure that next year, the device I'm talking about will be there at that price, and the war will heat up.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
lobotomic @ 2/12/2004 1:24:26 PM #
Sorry, I got my data wrong: there is no Java mentioned at that capacity, but MP3 decoding IS there. Read here

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2574901485.html

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
JonathanChoo @ 2/12/2004 3:02:59 PM #
iPod is overrated.

Bluetooth is underrated. I use it all the time from my first bluetooth phone T39m paired with a handset to controlling my PC with my T3 with PalmVNC.

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Generic Casio > Psion 5> Palm Vx > m505 > Sony N770C > T625C > NR70V > Toshiba e310 > T/T > HP h2210 > T/T3

StarTac > Ericsson T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630

Next PDA/Phone: T/T4 or VGA PPC or Treo 610/S-E T650

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
mike_c @ 2/12/2004 3:27:21 PM #
lobotomic:- My point was that bluetooth absolutely rocks, and is fast becoming a major selling point for mobile phones and other devices. Being so delighted with it on my T610 was precisely what prompted me to upgrade to a T3. I would much rather have phone and pda seperate, not least becauses it leaves more room and power in the pda. I can save photos from my phone to my pda much faster than the Ir port, nad I no longer have to mess about trying to line up Ir ports on a crowded commuter train. My one criticism is that Palmsoft should improve bluetooth support. For instance, with a little jugglng it's possible to listen to sound output from my PC through my bluetooth headset, but not yet on a Palm. The introduction of audio gateway over bluetooth would be extremely cool.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
;-) @ 2/13/2004 3:04:52 AM #
1.) Notwithstanding the fact that your comments regarding apple´s success may be right or wrong, please bear in mind that Nagel said was that in 2003 the iPod and iTunes were a huge success. I think that you can not say much about that because the 20+ iPod wannabes and the 10+ iTunes wannabe that appeared from companies as Rio, Creative, Gateway, Dell, Real Networks among others may prove you wrong. As a matter of fact, HP has licensed iPod and iTunes, that "is just too big".
2.) About the Bluetooth comment, from what I've heard this technology is not very popular in the US but it sure is in Europe. Probably your comment is based on an US bias.
3.) About the smartphone issue, I have no idea whatsoever.


1) iPod is a nice piece of industrial design Apple had an outside shop create. No more, no less. It's done well because of looks + timing - not because it's a particularly brilliant piece of engineering.

2) Correct.

3) Smartphones aren't even a blip on the radar. I used to think PalmOS phones had a chance. Then I saw phones like the Sony Ericsson T630. In a year we'll see a phone wth the P900's features in a package around the size of a T630. At that point, Treo becomes the answer to a question NO ONE'S asking.



It's just too big.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
a3 @ 2/13/2004 12:25:45 PM #
Face:

1.) Apple's iPod is a nice piece of engineering. There are no movable parts (except for the hold button) the touch sensitive scrollwheel by it self is a "tour de force". Anyway this issue is not ment for this site so lets close it.
2.) Regarding the smartphone, I agree with you to some extent. I would rather have a fully featured Palm and a separate phone that I can synchronize with the palm (via bluetooth preferably).

_________________________________________________________________________________________
Current fan of a 320x480 tablet shaped PDA with built in BT+Wifi for less than US$500

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
;-) @ 2/18/2004 12:26:27 AM #
1.) Apple's iPod is a nice piece of engineering. There are no movable parts (except for the hold button) the touch sensitive scrollwheel by it self is a "tour de force". Anyway this issue is not ment for this site so lets close it.
2.) Regarding the smartphone, I agree with you to some extent. I would rather have a fully featured Palm and a separate phone that I can synchronize with the palm (via bluetooth preferably).

2) Sony Ericsson T630 + the new CLIE UX = laptop replacement. This will be the combo power users everywhere will be carrying in a few months.

Smartphones like the Treo 600 are just too big and have too many disadvantages to make it.



It's just too big.

RE: Earth to Nagel: Get serious, buddy.
chewer @ 2/22/2004 2:18:15 PM #
You may be right about the Sony combination being a laptop replacement. However, none of the IT people I work with will touch Sony products. Their new clamshell designs would seem to be perfect for deployment to a field salesforce, yet the IT contacts we have view Sony's devices as cute devices for teenage gamers. This view has merit as Sony devices often fail to meet the standards set by corporate IT managers. Sony has set their sights on multimedia consumers, not the corporate user, and as a result they will have a difficult time competing with PalmOne Tungsten', Treo's and the iPaq.

multimedia

rsc1000 @ 2/12/2004 1:20:19 PM #
>> the new built-in media player that does both audio and real time video.

Cool - i missed this in the last 2 days announcements. I knew the 'multimedia framwork' or whatever, was mentioned but didn't know they were including a player. Should the MMPlayer guys be worried? Writters of audio/video apps seriously benefit from Cobolt with multi-threading, true native ARM (no painful ARMlet coding), and now the plugible multimedia framework. We should finally get something good in the way of media players.

Nagel's aspirations

ecustan @ 2/13/2004 6:57:34 AM #
It is apparent that Nagel desires to be Microsoft. His message to developers and long time Palm users is "Our way or the Highway!!!"..."and by the way we will charge you a hefty daily tax is you decide to follow our way." Contempt for hard working developers, long time Palm customers and Mac users seems hardly the attitude that will help a struggling company.

RE: Nagel's aspirations
Slam @ 2/13/2004 3:30:35 PM #
Or another way of looking at it:
PalmSource is a very small company looking to reduce its costs as much as possible and raise its revenues as much as possible.

They are resource constrained in a way the MS is not. They must focus on the critical success factors first. Going forward they really have to focus everything on how to make the best OS for the smartphone market.

They cant do everything, they cant even do many of the things they should do and that leaves a lot on the list of things they want to do.


That's it??

batmon @ 2/13/2004 5:16:05 PM #
Is that all we got from this year's Palm Source Conference? Doesn't sound too exciting to me except OS6 = Colbat...

RE: That's it??
rsc1000 @ 2/13/2004 11:32:36 PM #
Its not 'Palm Source Conference' its 'Palm Source Developers Conference'. So you can whine about how 'thats it' - but for developers, the fact is that having Palm OS development move to the Eclipse platform and having an entirely new set of APIs (including APIs that replace the functionality iof existing APIs) - is quite a lot of new developemnts. This isn't a consumer show.

Even LESS than That's it??
mikecane @ 2/14/2004 12:27:13 AM #
1) No landscape API
2) No VGA support
3) No filesystem
4) No eye-candy

Incredible.

Developers can cheer all they want. But consumers are their market, not each other.

RE: That's it??
RumpRoast @ 2/14/2004 1:05:57 AM #
Looking at PDA trend, average customer will look for standard 'convinience' and eye candy, on top of standard performance improvement such as bigger screen, more mem, faster CPU, smaller size, longer battery, etc.

-advance gaming will be big. (Gaming API is a must)
-UI eye candy improvement is a money shot.
-Peripheral supports beyond memory (SD/CF/MemStick)
-wireless and networking.

RE: That's it??
rsc1000 @ 2/14/2004 5:57:15 PM #
>>Developers can cheer all they want. But consumers are their market, not each other.

Yeah - and this isnt a consumer conference. As for yr points - the OS supports up to 32,000 x 32,000. Its much easier now for any hardware company to make a VGA palm os device then it was for Sony to do 320x320 when they 1st did that. As for Landscape THERE IS an API for this in the Cobolt SDK - its just not usable (it supports all 4 orientations but the only 'enabled' one is portrait). Its obviously coming (maybe 6.1 but wouldnt be surprised if PalmSource gave it developers for some OS 6.0 devices the way they gave 'extended screen' APIs to palmOne for the T3 - even though it wasnt part of the official OS until 5.3) and it looks like developers can actually future proof there apps now by using the orientation API in there code.

In any event the new APIs (especially multimedia API) completely kicks ass. Building a video player (or for that matter a media server!) is easy now. It leap frogs PPC in terms of multimedia intgration with the OS, and in terms of the way they have abstracted the code model. Just wait - they'll be dozens of media players (and recorders/encoders) within a couple of months of Cobolt coming out. I can't understand why you think Palm should throw away the familar interface that is THE REASON most people (not geeks) buy Palms. That would be stupid to change the whole enchilada overnight.

RE: That's it??
batmon @ 2/15/2004 12:45:33 AM #
Multimedia is nice but there are tons of devices that can do MP3 a;ready; iPod, mp3 players, cell phones, cameras, palm, etc, etc... Just like the digital snap shot devices, it's everywhere~

I think wireless access is very important for Palm. So far people still seraching for a easiest way to access Internet and check their emails. Laptop PCs are too slow and too big, and cell phone is way too small to read and type messages.

SkaRumpRoastious?
;-) @ 2/20/2004 1:40:41 AM #
Looking at PDA trend, average customer will look for standard 'convinience' and eye candy, on top of standard performance improvement such as bigger screen, more mem, faster CPU, smaller size, longer battery, etc.

-advance gaming will be big. (Gaming API is a must)
-UI eye candy improvement is a money shot.
-Peripheral supports beyond memory (SD/CF/MemStick)
-wireless and networking.

Ska? Is that you, girl?

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/scrumptious




It's just too big.

Ska?
;-) @ 2/20/2004 11:44:10 PM #
Are you OK, girl?


It's just too big.

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