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Possible new information regarding palmOne new spring handhelds has come into light. New rumor material is pointing to an update to the Zire series for the palmOne's cyclical spring product launch.
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Tungsten updates?

Fernando @ 2/26/2004 12:30:21 PM #
fist post :D

any news of a tungsten update on the horizon?

RE: Tungsten updates?
TTrules @ 2/26/2004 4:15:27 PM #
[any new tungsten update on the horizon?]

I should hope so. Zires have never been my ideal handheld. I have a pocket-sized three mega-pixel camera with zoom, video, and everything else. Why would I need some scanty-featured integrated thing? I would much prefer a good clamshell Tungsten with a 4 inch portrate-landscape VGA screen on one side and keyboard on the other with a good battery, wifi and bluetooth, a 400 megahertz processor, two sd slots and a good software bundle. I would pay almost anything for something like that.

One Palm to rule them all!

RE: Tungsten updates?
jmchamblis @ 2/27/2004 3:26:12 PM #
Palm just released a $50 rebate on the Zire 71, price drops ususally indicate new models are not far away.

It was about time!

a3 @ 2/26/2004 12:40:45 PM #
I was wondering where are the new PalmOne products... Nevertheless, with a heavy heart I must admit that neither will fit the spot that I am waiting for.

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Built in camera? *sigh*

sgingras @ 2/26/2004 12:44:11 PM #
A built in camera pretty much means that I won't be buying that unit. I don't need a low-quality camera, I don't want to pay for one, and my employer doesn't want me bringing one to work.

Looks like I'll be stretching my TT for a couple more months/years.

RE: Built in camera? *sigh*
kevdo @ 2/26/2004 1:15:37 PM #
Uh, then don't buy it! Buy a Tungsten E instead!

The Zire 71 is definitely in need of a refresh and an upgrade to the camera is a good move. I wish this unit had 64 mb of RAM instead of 32 mb but at least that too is an upgrade. I hope this updated unit will have the updated PIM apps as well.

-Kevin Crossman, Palm Powered Software Champion

RE: Built in camera? *sigh*
robman @ 2/26/2004 1:52:22 PM #
Can anyone with manufacturing / distribution experience comment on how difficult and expensive it would be to ship a version of the Zire 71 with a shim in the place of the camera and the lid glued shut? I love the Zire 71, but I have a digital camera I carry all the time anyway...



Palm Enthusiast since 1998

RE: Built in camera? *sigh*
hotpaw4 @ 2/26/2004 2:17:39 PM #
PalmOne may have figured out that they can actually charge more for models without a built-in digital camera, given that customers who either already carry high megapixel cameras, and/or work in areas where cameras are not allowed can afford to pay a price premium.

So sticking camera into lower profit consumer models might be one of their ways of segmenting the market. Non-businesslike case colors might be another.


RE: Built in camera? *sigh*
whitemiata @ 2/26/2004 11:50:49 PM #
Robman,

I did the research you requested and have some numbers for you:

$199.99

For that price we'll even double the RAM and throw in Documents to Go.

Sounds good to you?

If so, you'll be able to order it in... 5...4...3..2.. NOW!

Just go to www.palmone.com and look up Palm Tungsten E.

Glad I could be of assistence!

RE: Built in camera? *sigh*
robman @ 2/27/2004 12:22:51 PM #
I own a Palm Tungsten E. I am already regretting my first Palm without a cradle, it's no fun.

Everything about the Zire 71 is right for Palm except the camera---I think if they made a version that was identical but had no camera and no sliding back, it would sell better and prove to Palm that these cameras are silly.

Palm Enthusiast since 1998

No camera PDA for me either.
RAMdŽd @ 2/27/2004 12:23:07 PM #
Uh, then don't buy it!


Well, that *is* what he already said.

I don't care for the trend of built-in cameras either (look at all the cellphones with one), but I don't think they'll do that to the Tungsten line. At least I hope not.

I'm pretty happy with my T3, and don't really know what, at the moment, I would want to improve upon it.

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RE: Built in camera? *sigh*
Altema @ 2/27/2004 4:13:58 PM #
"I don't care for the trend of built-in cameras either (look at all the cellphones with one), but I don't think they'll do that to the Tungsten line. At least I hope not.

I'm pretty happy with my T3, and don't really know what, at the moment, I would want to improve upon it."

Ditto on both points. I tried to get a BT phone without it and could not at the time. Silly thing is that they give you a camera and let you attach photos to contacts on my phone (photo shows up when they call), but only give it 2MB RAM. DUH!

On the other hand, I like my T3 enough where I'm not really interested in looking for a replacement. Late at night playing AcidSolitaire with a cool photo backdrop and a jazz album playing in the background while I wait for my wife to finish hijacking my BT cell connection for email... life is good ;)

RE: Built in camera? *sigh*
Wollombi @ 3/1/2004 12:43:37 PM #
>>"Everything about the Zire 71 is right for Palm except the camera---I think if they made a version that was identical but had no camera and no sliding back, it would sell better and prove to Palm that these cameras are silly."<<

Better yet, put a CF slot in place of the camera as well. Then you could get CF WiFi (or whatever else you wanted to add), a MicroDrive, etc. while still having use of your SD card.


>>"I'm pretty happy with my T3, and don't really know what, at the moment, I would want to improve upon it."<<

One thing: Battery life. I have the Power To Go, and it's nice, but I would still prefer that the internal battery last longer, and possibly be removable/replacable.

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I am betting on 64 MB

Timothy Rapson @ 2/26/2004 1:43:46 PM #
Why in the world would PalmOne put a 300 MZ processor, 1.3 MP camera, and all the rest (especially WiFi) in a model with only 32 MB. I bet on 64. PalmOne was always cheap on RAM until the C and TE3 came out. I think they must know better by now. Although Dell was dumb enough to drop a CF slot from their bottom line model and still ask more money for it with only 32 MB. Pointless.

I see a new Zire 72 with VG, 64 MB, and BlueTooth more likely than a WiFi model as described.

We are also likely to get an upgraded E that replaces the TE3 and another E that replaces the current one the way it looks by the latest rumors.

I was >< close to getting a TH55 and may still do so if the long battery life reports continue to hold up to scrutiny and if none of the PalmOne models are any good at all. As it now looks, I will much more likely get a T3 at discount when they are discontinued, a TE2 or a TE style T3 replacement (man the names/numbers are getting odd!). My new Minolta camera has an SD slot. Perfect for swapping to the PalmOne line.

Anyway, I see lots of good choices finally coming by the end of March and it's high time we did see them. The VG models from Sony have just gotten bigger and less functional until the TH55 and the PPC ones have gotten cheaper and smaller all the time. If the PalmOne Spring lineup pans out as I expect it to from these reports I, for one, will be keeping Palm OS in the hunt to return to high 80% area of worldwide handheld sales. If they blow it the way they did with the M series I will just buy a stupid PPC for $150 and learn to put up with it. I am not going to spend $400 for Sony/PalmOne models with hardware specs like those of the $200 PPCs from Dell, HP, AND Toshiba.

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
hotpaw4 @ 2/26/2004 2:13:08 PM #
Larger amount of memory increases a devices cost and reduces its battery life. One can always buy an SD card if they need more than 16 or 32MB.
RE: I am betting on 64 MB
robrecht @ 2/26/2004 3:12:05 PM #
Timothy, who said anything about WiFi in these models.

If the T3 isn't refreshed, I too may get one anyway to tide me over until we can evaluate the Cobalt models. Wouldn't want to miss out on that cool stylus if the T4 abandons the slider as some have rumored.

Has anyone heard ANYTHING substantive about a T3 refresh or replacement any time soon? Are we thinking Summer or maybe even October????

Thanks, robrecht

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
helf @ 2/26/2004 3:27:35 PM #
tim, thats tt3. not te3 :)

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
TTrules @ 2/26/2004 4:44:40 PM #
I don't get what the whole RAM thing is about. The difference between 32 and 64 megs internal memory is not anything like the difference between having a 512 meg sd card and not having one at all. Just buy the pda and get a card.

One Palm to rule them all!
RE: I am betting on 64 MB
G M Fude @ 2/26/2004 5:21:28 PM #
Agreed, ttrules; I have a T|T with a whole bunch of additional apps on it and still have 8 MB of free memory. That's why we have SD cards and software like JackFlash/Sprat. And I still haven't filled my 256 MB card with apps and files and Oggs.
RE: I am betting on 64 MB
mikecane @ 2/26/2004 5:23:17 PM #
>>>If they blow it the way they did with the M series I will just buy a stupid PPC for $150 and learn to put up with it.

I hope you won't be counting on its alarm, uh, feature...

...go buy the TH55.

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
helf @ 2/26/2004 5:23:47 PM #
ok, its very simple. lots of programs arent vfs friendly if at all. so your ram can quickly fill up with databases and such. its not liek a pocket pc where you can run anything off a card with no problme :) hence the reason everyone wants more ram.

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
Vidge @ 2/26/2004 6:27:12 PM #
"I don't get what the whole RAM thing is about. The difference between 32 and 64 megs internal memory is not anything like the difference between having a 512 meg sd card and not having one at all. Just buy the pda and get a card."

Not all programs can run well from the card - some can't run at all. Plus, even if the program can be run from the card, it quite often is quite slow. So I prefer more RAM and to use the card for what it was intended: storage.

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RE: I am betting on 64 MB
patchwork @ 2/26/2004 6:56:55 PM #
I disagree. We should not *have* to store all of our apps in internal memory or Flash ROM.

Applications for the Palm platform should really be moving toward making full use of the VFS capabilities of the system. And there are several excellent apps that do, from the Palm OS app itself through to the conduit and desktop software. Docs2Go (Commercial) and Plucker/Jpluck (Open Source) are just two examples, both with the ability to access, store and sync files directly to the card, using RAM only as swap space.

I'd love to get to a situation where all of my apps and data are stored on my SD card, and the internal memory is just used for swap space. And in that regard, the 16MB on my T|T has been serving me just fine.

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RE: I am betting on 64 MB
Hal2000 @ 2/26/2004 7:54:46 PM #
Hey, why we're at it, how about dual batteries and 128MB?

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: I am betting on 64 MB
Timothy Rapson @ 2/26/2004 9:09:10 PM #
RE:

WiFi....Oops, I read "wireless" and thought WiFi. I don't need either, but BlueTooth is not a big cost so not so bad if they include it.

RE: Helf "tim, thats tt3. not te3 :)"

No, I meant to type TE3. The latest rumors say that Palm is dropping the slider in both the top Tungsten model and the Zire camera model. The reporter of this info surmised that the whatever replaces the T3 will be more like a high end TE model. If he was correct we could see four new models. The Zire 72 & 31. The Tungsten TE2 & TE3. The TE2 might have the same TI processor and add only VG to the current feature set. The TE3 would have 64MB, 400MZ, BlueTooth and maybe even WiFi built in.


Lots of speculation here on my part.

As to 64 MB. That is what I want. Resco photo viewer can keep the thumbnails for 900+ photos on the card with the photos, but I think it will show them instantly if they are in 8 MB of RAM. I want all my basic tools in RAM and only old files I don't access all the time or work on to be on the memory card. Then when I backup to the card everything gets backed up to the card. I may be a little excessive with backing up. After all a complete hard reset is rare for Palm OS and regular desktop syncs mean losing much data is unlikely. But, I like to use it like I like to use it and so long as the PPCs can include 64MB for less than $200 I want that on my Palm too.



RE: I am betting on 64 MB
helf @ 2/26/2004 10:18:05 PM #
ah, ok :)

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
Timothy Rapson @ 2/27/2004 7:16:45 AM #
RE:
RE: I am betting on 64 MB
mikecane @ 2/26/2004 5:23:17 PM

>>>If they blow it the way they did with the M series I will just buy a stupid PPC for $150 and learn to put up with it.

I hope you won't be counting on its alarm, uh, feature...

...go buy the TH55.

Who knows? I know this sounds insane, TOTALLY INSANE, but since I already gave up on getting a really good camera function in a PDA (I bought a Minolta X20 for real flash, 2MP, and 3X optical zoom.) I carry both the camera and the Clie (with the now redundant built-in camera) around 24/7. So what is the difference if I get two PDAs? I could get a $40 original 2MB Zire for alarms and addresses and a Toshiba E805 with a wireless keyboard for laptop replacement.

The trouble is the Scot Evest might not hold it all! If my employment situation changes as it might this Summer I may also need a cell phone! I could be such a geek! Why oh why did the humble PDA not live up to the dream of being the whole enchilada? I don't want to carry all of these, but nothing less seems to be working out.


RE: I am betting on 64 MB
mikecane @ 2/27/2004 8:23:20 AM #
Do you ALWAYS carry a camera? You'd probably carry the PDA more, which wouldn't necessarily make its camera redundant.

Carrying two PDAs... I've thought about that, but I use my shirt pocket and one is enough for it.

If you actually own an e-vest, you're in a category of your own here, I think.

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
Timothy Rapson @ 2/27/2004 8:17:05 PM #
Yes, I've been carrying the Minolta in my pants pocket for a couple of weeks and am using it all the time rather than my Clie. I don't mind the extra stuff to carry. A smaller PDA for my shirt pocket will go well with it. What I would love is a T3 without the slider (and no taller than 4.5 inch Zire 71) for less than $300. As it is, the high price and slider are just annoying enough to keep me from getting one at least until I see what is coming in March.

RE: I am betting on 64 MB
abosco @ 2/28/2004 1:54:10 AM #
Should've gotten rid of the NR and Minolta and traded up for an NX80v. ;) More PDA than an NR in the same space, 1.3 MP camera vs the 2.0 MP camera in your current one, and the difference isn't that large. Might have been worth it, even now. It would considerably condense your current payload, that's for sure. Carrying a separate camera around everywhere is nuts.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: I am betting on 64 MB
Timothy Rapson @ 2/28/2004 8:15:14 AM #
Yes, the truth is that I AM NUTS. I talk to a psychologist every day (in the mirror when I shave. Though I carry mail for a living I have a Master's Degree in Social Psychology.:)

I seriously considered the NX80 or 73 (aren't those both 1.3 MP?) However, neither have flash or optical zoom that my Minolta does. Besides which the NX series is seriously fatter than my NR. And heavier. My shirts sag. I really think the Tungsten E with VG in my shirt pocket and the Minolta in my pants pocket will work very well for my desires. And I am no longer up for Sony's Memory Stink scam. Anyway, that will keep me from having to geek up to the vest for now:)

Zire 31

Kesh @ 2/26/2004 2:19:35 PM #
Well! This was better than I thought. I figured they'd just slap an SD slot in the 21 and call it a 31. The extra memory and speed are a nice addition. I think that'll be my next handheld, since I doubt I can afford a 71-revised.

RE: Zire 31
yusakugo @ 2/26/2004 4:46:57 PM #
The Zire 31 also changed the processor into the Intel XScale 200MHz instead of the Texas Instrument OMAP 123MHz processor in the Zire 21

cpus..

helf @ 2/26/2004 3:28:21 PM #
palmone is going to just use intel from now on I suppose =(

sucks

RE: cpus..
TTrules @ 2/26/2004 4:40:51 PM #
No, I am willing to bet that they are going to use the TI OMAP 2 processors as soon as they are ready for handheld use. Those things look much more powerfull than anything intel has to offer.

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RE: cpus..
helf @ 2/26/2004 10:44:40 PM #
I do hope you are right :)

RE: cpus..
Palminator @ 2/28/2004 10:43:40 AM #
>> Those things look much more powerfull than anything intel has to offer.

What exactly are you basing this on? The OMAP 2 CPU's announced are 330MHz (which is below the current 400MHz XScale cpu's which have been around for a couple of years) and the DSP is not being utilized in any PalmOS design ... so, I would say they are still behind the current generation of XScale and will fall further behind once next generation XScale parts are announced this year.

RE: cpus..
hotpaw4 @ 2/28/2004 7:23:00 PM #
The TI OMAP 2 product bulletin says that the ARM11 CPU *starts* at 330 MHz and can go up to 1 GHz. But the clock rate alone isn't as important without taking into consideration the power consumption. It will be interesting to compare the MIPs per milliwatt of the OMAP 2 with the Intel XScale and other follow-ons.

And the OMAP DSP is used in the T|T and T|T2 for audio mixing and rate conversion, note how some mp3 sample rates sound better on the T|T2 than on some Clie models. The new Cobalt graphics API's will also be able to better take advantage of a DSP for 2D acceleration (faster gradient fills, etc.) and media codecs.



RE: cpus..
helf @ 2/29/2004 8:30:47 AM #
and, MHZ isn't everything. when will people start understanding this.. jeez..

T3 with Wi-Fi

palmhiker @ 2/26/2004 3:38:53 PM #
I just want a T-3 with Wi-Fi and decent battery life.

Is that really too much to ask for?

Seems like a no-brainer, especially with Sony's TH55 out now (and looking pretty good, I might add, even without landscape support and with memoryschtick).

RE: T3 with Wi-Fi
Altema @ 2/26/2004 3:52:12 PM #
You won't get both in that form factor. The T3 is simply a smaller device than the 55, in addition to being faster and having more RAM.

I pulled one apart a couple weeks ago and there no room for any significant battery change.

RE: T3 with Wi-Fi
hotpaw4 @ 2/26/2004 4:47:52 PM #
Sounds like you want a Sony TH55. Wifi with a much better battery life.


RE: T3 with Wi-Fi
mikecane @ 2/27/2004 8:25:36 AM #
Jeff Kirvin made an excellent point in a past column of his: Storage media really doesn't matter. *Everything* becomes obsolete in three years. You'll outrgow whatever you buy today (1GB sounds like a lot... in 3 years, 4-8GB will be the norm). Buy what you want or need *now* and worry about the later... later.

The only limiting factor would be your desire for interoperability -- swapping storage media between a camera and a PDA, say. But guess what? Even that camera will be dust in three years (5MP today? 10-15MP in 3 years!)

RE: T3 with Wi-Fi
palmhiker @ 2/27/2004 1:21:44 PM #
"Sounds like you want a Sony TH55. Wifi with a much better battery life."

The only things holding me back from the TH55 is memory stick (I have quite a few SD's), and the lack of landscape support, which would be nice for spreadsheets and outlines. Plus an odd assortment of accessories that won't work.

I have to believe that Palm will release something to compete with the TH55, what that will be is hard to say, but I will wait a few months, at which time I WILL buy something with Wi-Fi and it won't have a keyboard.

RE: T3 with Wi-Fi
rikster @ 2/29/2004 2:25:00 PM #
Me too !

I've broadbanded my house with 802.11b wireless waiting for a T3 with wi-fi. I want to browse the web in landscape - the Sony can't do this I believe.

Come on Palm - you know everyone wants a T3 with wi-fi !

160x160??

winexprt @ 2/26/2004 4:15:58 PM #
Are you kidding me? Are you sure you got those specs right? That seems like going backwars in technology. Color is going to look AWEFUL on that low-res of a screen.

RE: 160x160??
robrecht @ 2/26/2004 4:23:25 PM #
Yeah but if they offer this close to $100, they'll sell a lot of them. I don't think they'll go quite that low but this isn't so bad for an entry level, first purchase device.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: 160x160??
hotpaw4 @ 2/26/2004 4:43:54 PM #
160x160 is an excellent choice. Many people don't have the excellent vision required to benefit from much more resolution on a small handheld. This resolution will also appeal to people who prefer great battery life and a low price.


RE: 160x160??
yusakugo @ 2/26/2004 4:50:22 PM #
I agree... the Zire 31 is an update to their $99 Zire 21... as long as the price hovers about $100. Most regular consumers would eat this model up... although I would have liked to see a more powerful mid-range model show up.

RE: 160x160??
patchwork @ 2/26/2004 7:06:23 PM #
Have people forgotten that once upon a time, enthusiasts lauded the compact and very viewable 160x160 screen on the M130?

Those of us who have moved onto 320x320 and larger screens will of course find it difficult to go back. Heck! I find the lower resolution on most Pocket PC's disgusting.

For a newbie though, to pay, possibly, less than 100 bucks for a device running what is arguably the best PDA operating system *in colour* could make this puppy as big a seller as the original Zire.

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RE: 160x160??
Puck @ 2/26/2004 8:38:09 PM #
To hotpaw4's comment "Many people don't have the excellent vision required to benefit from much more resolution on a small handheld." - utter nonsense.

Being of the middle-aged set, I can assure you that the most compelling reason I moved to a high-res unit was to compensate for weakening eyesight (don't worry - you will learn this from personal experience). 160x160 is an excellent choice for a unit that's geared to a specific price point (which fits young, less-affluent buyers).

High-res would be a better choice for Boomer eyes - and their wallets.

Puck

RE: 160x160??
Timothy Rapson @ 2/26/2004 9:25:47 PM #
I never had a standard resolution Palm. Simply can't stand the look of the text on the screen, whether color or mono. Just can't take it. QVGA is OK and if font dithering is done very very well it can look OK. As it is, no one but Handera ever sold QVGA Palm OS models here in the US, so it is high res or low res in the Pam world. The real deal for me is virtual grafitti. I just can't take the just plain inefficient dedicating of 1/3 of the screen soley for text entry that can't be rolled away to view nice big pictures and documents.

RE: 160x160??
hotpaw4 @ 2/27/2004 3:26:34 AM #
> I just can't take the just plain inefficient dedicating of 1/3 of the screen

What inefficiency? It saves cost, a bunch of refresh power, backlight power and some space inside the case, maybe allowing a bigger battery inside a thinner case.

RE: 160x160??
Timothy Rapson @ 2/27/2004 7:24:44 AM #
The inefficiency of wasting 1/3 of the face of the PDA when you are not entering text. I want to use that space sometimes to show pictures, see documents, and such. Of course you could do someting like an iPod sized screen and still use it. Hey you only really need to see one word at a time. I once had a Casio organizer that had an LCD screen that was something like 8 pixels high and 50 pixels wide. It could show one line of text 20-30 characters at a time.

But, you sure put the other side of the argument succintly. If you like the SSS (small square screen) and find it useful good on ya'.

RE: 160x160??
mikecane @ 2/27/2004 8:29:57 AM #
You've coined a new term. SSS. I like that. (Rolls off the tongue, unlike my White Castle Square Hamburger Screen...)

RE: 160x160??
Finch @ 2/27/2004 9:46:03 AM #
i went from a zire-71 hi-res to a treo600 with low res and it was really hard to adjust and get used to it. but overall it was definetly worth the sacrifice for such a great device.

RE: 160x160??
helf @ 2/27/2004 10:11:17 AM #
oh brother, yet anotehr whiner spoiled by a hiresolution screen.
160x160 is perfectly fine for most people. hell, I still think its fine, even after using a zodiac. This pda isn't aimed at your or anyone in your user level. so stop bitching whenever a new entry model palm comes out.. sheesh.

RE: 160x160??
a3 @ 2/27/2004 3:05:31 PM #
Why is it that people do not complain about the "small" engine in a Hyundai car when compared to a Ferrari?, or the small room you get in coach class when compared to first class? Hint: Maybe it is because they now that the cheap price has got to come from somewhere.

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RE: 160x160??
hotpaw4 @ 2/27/2004 3:26:13 PM #
Actually, tall people do complain about coach class. But the airlines still sell a lot more coach tickets than 1st class seats.

Same with 160x160 displays vs. HVGA.


RE: 160x160??
Timothy Rapson @ 2/27/2004 6:47:02 PM #
I don't know for sure if the "whiner" complaint was issued against my statements or someone elses, but I didn't hear anyone way "I whine at the 160 x 160!" Just because someone doesn't want something it does not make him a whiner.

If someone buys a Cadilac instead of a Hyundai and would buy an old Caddy for $100 if he had to rather than drive even a new Hyundai doesn't mean he is whining about the Hyundai. Different people want different things. I want QVGA, real word processing, and a complete Bible study program on any PDA as a bare minimum. You may be happy to do PIMs only on a Zire 21. Someone over them may demand the game feaures of the Zodiac as a bare minimum to get them to buy a PDA. I don't play games on my Clie at all (OK, I downloaded Playground free yesterday and figured out how to use it so I can have it available in case I need to occupy some kid with it some time). It is not whining to want what I want.

RE: 160x160??
helf @ 2/27/2004 11:48:59 PM #
don't you mean hvga? aka 320x480. qvga is 240x320

RE: 160x160??
Timothy Rapson @ 2/28/2004 8:22:43 AM #
No, I meant QVGA. I think 320 by 240 is the minimum I could use. As it is, there is no real choice at that resolution in the Palm OS realm. It is either low res or high res. I suppose we will see super high res this fall when Sony introduces a full VGA model.

I am now probably spoiled enough by HVGA on my Clie that I would not go back to QVGA as I has (albiet mono) on my Ipaq. But, I think QVGA was a superb choice for PPC to standardize around. I think most folk who had never had a HVGA model would find QVGA perfectly suitable and since it is a simple subset of the original standard desktop VGA screen of 1985 or so it was easy for developers to support.

RE: 160x160??
helf @ 2/28/2004 10:08:24 AM #
I love how you think sony will be teh first to release a palm with vga ;)

but you are probably right.

I don't believe it. I think it's a lie

whitemiata @ 2/26/2004 4:43:17 PM #
After all if Palm really built a Zire71 successor with a higher rez camera, 32MB of Ram (more'd be nice but I'd be happy with 32) AND A VOICE RECORDER, that would be the PDA I've been dreaming of for like 3 years now.

If they even do update the Zire71 it will probably be by adding RAM and improving the camera but no DVR.

It'd be too cool if they included that. So it won't happen.

Oh well. It was nice to dream there for a moment.

Alessandro

P.S. As to the poster who complained about not being able to buy a Z71 (or successor) because of the camera, and to the other poster with the hissy-fit about already owning a Digicam... do us a favor and go whine somewehere else. There are PLENTY of PDAs out there without a camera, do those of us who OWN A HIGH MEGAPIXEL camera already but still find a camera in the PDA invaluable, a favor and buzz off :-P It's all about DATA, not about photographs.

RE: I don't believe it. But I want to believe it.
Konstantin @ 2/26/2004 11:03:42 PM #
Man , I am having exactly the same thoughts.
People just love to bit*h pointlessly "I dont want this, I dont want that", why bother to write that kind of lameness? There are plenty other models to look for.

The projected Zire71 update rulez!!! I simply love it.
Better camera and plus a voice recorder makes it all in one mid range gadget. I love to take quick photos with my current Zire71 and that 1.3 will be very welcome. And more CPU power, simply GREAT!!!



Long live the T|C

feranick @ 2/26/2004 5:29:44 PM #
It seems that these rumors are quite correct, at least based on past rumors from China. It also seems that products that will be updated are in the zire line. Apart from the T|E which has been released only few months ago, there are no sign for a substitute of the T|C. Is this a sign of PalmOne producing an upgrade to Cobalt for the T|C? Think about it. T|C has been designed for corporate use, so the turnover is usually longer. Also it still has a quite high battery life, at least compared to other PalmOne devices (T|T3...). So my guess is PalmOne is cooking something up to extend the life of the T|C.

Any comments?
nicola

RE: Long live the T|C
robrecht @ 2/26/2004 7:59:16 PM #
Makes sense, I just wish they'd refresh the TC and TT3 sooner rather than later.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Long live the T|C
Rome @ 2/26/2004 10:10:46 PM #
Apparently, Tungsten C is being updated as well. There was this rumor on palmaddict.com

RE: Long live the T|C
LiveFaith @ 2/28/2004 1:35:01 AM #
It will happen.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004

SaabCaptain @ 2/26/2004 11:22:25 PM #
Basically this means that there will be no PalmOne Cobalt OS models till fall of 2004, likely in the September-October timeframe. When those models do arrive they will sport the same GUI and be in only one or two models.

Cobalt at this point will not be all over the PalmOne models and with a new GUI till LATE 2005!

owned: Pilot 5000, PalmPilot Pro, Palm V, Casio E-11, IIIc, m505, Sony T615, Tungsten T, iPaq 1945, Tungsten E.

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
mikecane @ 2/27/2004 1:16:21 AM #
Let's not forget Sony.

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
LiveFaith @ 2/27/2004 1:18:07 AM #
Why do say that?

This is first of all a rumor. Secondly, this is about the "Zire" line, which is the "retail consumer" line, not the Tungsten line.

You can bet that "Pa1mOne" pre-collected every line of source code for "unfair" testing before the companies divided. As with the T|T, Pa1mOne would be my "bet" on getting the 1st OS6 Tungsten device to Best Buy. Tungstens fit the Cobalt version much better than Zires.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
FRANKY_JOE_BOB @ 2/27/2004 2:24:12 AM #
I am an avid pda gamer, but not rich (no t3) and a mac user (no clie). I also have become addicted to candid photos! A full megapixel more will sure help! I want it NOW!

-ME

Primary: Zire 71
Secondary: m130

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
SaabCaptain @ 2/27/2004 9:34:53 AM #
LiveFaith:

PalmOne has almost always stuck to a spring and fall release schedule. If they launch several non-Cobalt handhelds this spring they are VERY unlikely to launch any other major handhelds till this fall based on previous history. I suppose anything is possible, but it is looking more and more each day like hopes for a Cobalt PalmOne (note I didn't say Sony) handheld are growing dimmer till fall. And when fall comes it likely be only in one handheld, for example a Tungsten T4.

I own a Tungsten E right now and for me it is a nice handheld, better IMHO for several reasons than my old Tungsten T. If I could get Cobalt, 320x480, and Bluetooth all in it for $299 sometime this year it would be even better...

owned: Pilot 5000, PalmPilot Pro, Palm V, Casio E-11, IIIc, m505, Sony T615, Tungsten T, iPaq 1945, Tungsten E.

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
helf @ 2/27/2004 10:15:27 AM #
**You can bet that "Pa1mOne" pre-collected every line of source code for "unfair" testing before the companies divided.**


ok, that has to be one of the dumbest sentences I've read here in the past week. Do you know how far from completion os6 was when the companies split? That statement is just rediculous.


RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
mikecane @ 2/27/2004 10:33:01 AM #
It's also ridiculous.

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
whitemiata @ 2/27/2004 11:13:07 AM #
I guess it sounds reasonable that the Zire line will get GARNET while the Tungsten line will get Cobalt.

From what I've seen of Cobalt so far I'm not falling over myself to get a Cobalt device in my hands. Yes I'd want one eventually, but I'm in no rush.

I'd much much rather a Zire71 sequel with a stronger DigiCam, More Ram and a VOICE RECORDER. if GARNET will become what differentiates Zire from Tungsten (rather than the lack of a Voice Recorder) I for one will be SUPER HAPPY!!!!

I can't speak for anyone else but personally I think it criminal that palm doesn't yet have a device that unites MP3/Digicam/Voice Recording. I'm so glad Sony came out with the TH55 (which I, of course, wouldn't consider buying) as that should be the shove in the right direction PalmOne needs.

Alessandro

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
helf @ 2/27/2004 11:43:47 AM #
woops, I can't believe I misspelled ridiculous.. :)

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
LiveFaith @ 2/28/2004 1:08:47 AM #
Rediculous or knot. I never said OS6 was complete. They have been developing with the "BeOS guys" for > 1+ year. OS6 is a result. They didn't start writing code on 12/1 and then release the product on 12/31. It takes a few days longer than that.

I simply stated the obvious, which is that PalmOne & PSRC were "one" just a couple of months b4 OS6 was released to developers. If you don't think the folks who headed out with PalmOne got early dibs on OS6 details, then you may believe WCOM shares are gonna come back strong because their original SEC filings say so. It's not illegal(probably), it's not unethical(imho) and it makes sense to exercise every advantage to releasing new models for PalmOne.

Dude, this is one of the main reasons that Sony & others pushed for an OS/hardware-company split. Palm knew full well of an internal advantage to the hardware company when they also develop the OS, and chose the split to save the platform. It's a hardware designers advantage to know details of the platform.

You would have to be pretty naive to think that at least one lunch did not result in a scribble on a napkin before the split. P1 will get a Cobalt device to market at the same time as SOnly

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
mikecane @ 2/28/2004 10:18:44 AM #
>>>You would have to be pretty naive to think that at least one lunch did not result in a scribble on a napkin before the split.

That's a good one. What was on that napkin? The list of API names? Or one word, like in "The Graduate"? -- "Plastics."

A napkin. Really.

RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
abosco @ 2/28/2004 11:34:07 AM #
Many PalmSource reps, including Michael Mace, have commented on this message board that they were doing their best to keep the two companies separate while they were still legally one company and in the process of splitting. If the other hardware OEM's got wind of any advantage being given to PalmOne after the companies were in the process of splitting, there would be an uproar. You're right - they split from encouragement from other OEM's - and that's what they got.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
LiveFaith @ 2/29/2004 2:48:52 PM #
Mike,
Ooops. I meant on the "NotePad" application, not napkin.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: SOOO... No Cobalt till FALL 2004
mikecane @ 3/1/2004 12:25:40 AM #
Oh come now, Pat. They wouldn't have written anything. They would have *beamed* it! Hah!

Brazil also manufactures some Palm models

sfraga @ 2/27/2004 12:50:13 PM #
>> All palmOne handhelds are new (now?) manufactured in China

Zire and Tungsten E are also manufactured here in Brazil. I'm not sure if it's just for our internal market, or if they are also sold to Latin America.

Cheers,

Sergio Fraga
Rio de Janeiro - Brasil

No Hurry

Sid_Sid @ 2/27/2004 4:17:01 PM #
Having just purchased a T3, I'm in no hurry to see the "T4" or whatever will supercede the T3.

RE: No Hurry
tfftruoa @ 2/28/2004 11:36:32 PM #
Exactly. The current hardware is fairly close to great on everything. The big question for me is an OS upgrade for existing hardware.

A 3.2 Ghz, 2 gigs of RAM, 60 gig hard drive device with 32,000 by 32,000 resolution would suit me just fine, but until then, my TT3 will do just fine. =P

The Federation for the Responsible Use of Acronyms

New Palmone prices

n1e4k @ 2/27/2004 9:08:29 PM #
Price reductions on the T2 and Z71...the email says that the rebate on the Z71 ends on Sunday (2-29), but the website says 6-1. I wonder how this mixes in with release dates...
RE: New Palmone prices
robrecht @ 2/28/2004 6:18:35 PM #
2/29, wow, it's leap year!

Thanks, robrecht
RE: New Palmone prices
dona83 @ 2/29/2004 3:31:33 AM #
U have to buy the Zire 71 before 11:59pm on Feb the 29th and have the mail in rebate postmarked before the 1st of June.

.. I wonder if they listen..

TitaniumBoy @ 2/29/2004 4:50:36 AM #
These upgrade camera and what's not.. at all nice and dandy but I wonder if they really listen to customers who wants the ultimate PDA..

For me.. it will be a 360X480 w/out slider.. Camera optional but the main selling point will be landscape and BT/WiFi..

TH55 comes close to this.. but no landscape and I DO HATE MS. ..

T3 would have been tne ultimate.. but for the lack of WiFi.. damn!! Why no WiFi on T3 !!

Rumored of a new Sony NX-series, it takes X-ray pictures of gals!!

Why not build a perfect device like ipaq 4155 Wi-Fi+BT

GearHead @ 2/29/2004 7:13:50 PM #
I had my Palm devices since 1997. I always founf Palm OS veru user friendly. But i have to admit I admire my brothers HP ipaq 4155 (64MB Ram + Wi-Fi + Bluetooth + etc.). I don't care for camera, I have my Canon Digital Elph for that 4 Mega Pixel is enough for that. Also I have my Sony-Ericsson T610 with camera does the job! I just wanna be connected. My company provided me a Sprint PCS Treo 600. I absolutely love it but than again not enough. I have to have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Come on Palm. Please built a machine with or without a phone but make a perfect connected PDA: Min. 128MB ram + Wi-Fi + BT + Perfect screen and many more. Why not, you can do it!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you all!!!

Free 802.11 No More Wires!!!
Support your local WAN!

RE: Why not build a perfect device like ipaq 4155 Wi-Fi+BT
helf @ 3/1/2004 9:49:47 AM #
well you see, this is the problem, if palm creates the perfect pda and users think its perfect, would they want to ever upgrade? :P

RE: Why not build a perfect device like ipaq 4155 Wi-Fi+BT
Hal2000 @ 3/1/2004 7:21:58 PM #
How about a compromise: Perfect device and two year self-destruct.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: Why not build a perfect device like ipaq 4155 Wi-Fi+BT
GearHead @ 3/3/2004 7:29:49 AM #
Well guys I apperciate both of the copmments. But check it out, Sony did the perfect device with UX series. But price is way out there. I personally didn't like the SOny's form factor. I currently use a Sprint Treo 600 for work. Only thing I'm missing on that Bluetooth. Because Sprint has great Internet plans plus my company pays for it so surf all I can...

In PDA platform I also own an original Tungsten TT, I am loving it. I wish this device had Wi-Fi. That is a perfect PDA. I guess I'll settle for a T3 with Wi-Fi of course with BT.

COME ON PALM, LIKE NIKE SAYS : J U S T D O I T!!!!!

Cheers,
GEARHEAD!!!

Free 802.11 No More Wires!!!
Support your local WAN!

RE: Why not build a perfect device like ipaq 4155 Wi-Fi+BT
Altema @ 3/3/2004 10:58:32 PM #
If only the 4155 supported genuine LEAP...

Sigh

T3 with Wi-Fi

rikster @ 3/3/2004 2:36:56 PM #
Please PalmOne... read this !!

A T3 with Wi-Fi will sell like hot cakes... Please, please release one of these in your spring product update.

I've waited with cash burning a hole in my pocket for about 6 months now. I nearly defected to pocket PC, but waited. Now Sony has bought out the TH55 - if I could get a landscape hack for that, I'd rush out to buy it. If Palm do not release a T3 with wi-fi this product release, then I'll just have to go Sony. Such a shame as I think Palm are the best handhelds.

RE: T3 with Wi-Fi
molljs @ 3/3/2004 3:40:36 PM #
I second that! Wi-Fi or bust.

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