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Possible details and an image of the next generation palmOne Treo Smartphone have surfaced. The image shows a similar Treo design, with a higher resolution screen and integrated Bluetooth wireless.
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Wow, Just what the Doc Ordered!

LiveFaith @ 6/24/2004 7:47:14 PM #
BT + Hi-Rez ... this is just what the doctor order to keep the Treo600s roaring outta the phone dealers. What a fabulous device that seems to be getting some serious traction out there.
Can this run the Blackberry software? If so, what a deal.
Still has the antenna ... :-|

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Wow, Just what the Doc Ordered!
kevdo @ 6/24/2004 8:22:39 PM #
64 mb of RAM would make this much closer to perfection...

Well, that and a price I could afford. ;-)

-Kevin Crossman, Palm Powered Software Champion

New Treo

TheRealZero @ 6/24/2004 8:41:01 PM #
They all look the same too me....

Close!

sub_tex @ 6/24/2004 9:15:37 PM #
Close to perfection. I would take wifi over bluetooth any day (although a BT headset would be nice), but the hi-res screen finally makes its appearance!

I agree more RAM would be nice too.

This is a great thing, though. I expect lots of good stuff from the future Treo line.

RE: Close!
TooMuch @ 6/24/2004 10:04:48 PM #
Bluetooth before WiFi is right. Bluetooth is about wireless accessories, pda-to-compu syncrhonization and person-to-person communication. Bluetooth first...is a BIG YES!

Please, Please, Please May There Be A Verizon Version

4s @ 6/24/2004 9:23:54 PM #
Please.

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RE: Please, Please, Please May There Be A Verizon Version
kp* @ 6/24/2004 10:31:02 PM #
Amen! I'm about to shell out major cash for the v710 whenever it comes out because I need BT right now. Of course by the time this new Treo comes out and Verizon releases it I will be old and gray and ready to upgrade my v710 anyway. But this may be the device that gets me into smartphones so I can drop my PDA and just go laptop-smartphone. I was waiting for hi-res, and BT so I can go online with my laptop. I wish it didn't have a keyboard, but I guess the graffiti thing failed the first time. I'm a Clie user a little worried about the future, good to see that Palm is on the right track.

RE: Please, Please, Please May There Be A Verizon Version
treo007 @ 6/25/2004 2:06:03 AM #
Yea, I can't decide whether Verizon is yet to release the 600 because:

1) They knew this one was on the way;

2) They just overly conservative and wait years to release what everyone else already has;

Here's hoping it's reason #1 as Verizon's the only decent network out there (Sprint's a close second) in terms of coverage and performance. If it is reason #2, that means they'll be releasing the 610 2 years after it's been released.

One last thought: the 610 would have to be EV-DO and EMTS compatible right? 'Twould be a collasal screwup on Palm's part if it isn't.

RE: Please, Please, Please May There Be A Verizon Version
vesther @ 7/6/2004 4:53:14 PM #
Verizon has the most strict approval processes amongst all major carriers. Much of the reason why I have not yet seen a Verizon version of the Treo 600 was mainly because it has not yet been approved by Verizon, and Verizon has yet to test out the phone before it is approved by them. Damn Verizon for their super-strict approval processes. Hopefully Verizon is given a prototype Treo 610 for them to use.

Sooner or later, all Palm-Powered Handhelds running under Intel's PXA27X line of processors need to implement Centrino Technology in addition to Intel's XScale technology and Intel's WMMX.

Antenna

Gekko @ 6/24/2004 9:33:21 PM #
They can put a man on the moon, but they can't get rid of that f-ing antenna.

RE: Antenna
cbowers @ 6/24/2004 10:06:43 PM #
I'm amazed that your beef with it is large enough to warrant a post. Half complain about an antenna sticking out, half complain about reduced RF performance (and yet never seem to link it to the fashionable lack of an external antenna). Reference the few hacking their Tungsten C to add a jack for an external WiFi antenna. Maybe PalmOne should sell the empty shell of the Tungsten W for out of warranty Tungsten C users to move the guts over to...

Seems the best any manufacturer can do is put in an antenna that you can remove and replace with a plug. Those who prefer jewelry to communicating can just take the sucker off.



RE: Antenna
Gekko @ 6/24/2004 10:18:55 PM #
RE: Antenna
Rome @ 6/24/2004 11:10:02 PM #
I will take the next generation of Treo over any of the phones on that Nokia page you posted.

Any day, with the antenna.

RE: Antenna
sixty-four @ 6/25/2004 1:05:26 AM #
Yeah but look at all the antennas those dolts at NASA had to rely on: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/spacecraft/apollo_lm_diagram.gif

Thanks for pointing out that hallmark of flawed design: the antenna.

----
Forty Six and 2 are just ahead of me

RE: Antenna
LiveFaith @ 6/25/2004 11:48:13 AM #
Gekko,
I don't think Handspring put a guy up there. But hey, nothing a good hacksaw can't handle? :-0

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Antenna
orol @ 6/25/2004 1:08:25 PM #
> I will take the next generation of Treo over any of the phones on that Nokia page you posted.

well, he wanted to show that modern phones don't have antenna and still get great reception.

I'm with him. antenna is obsolete. even MDA2/XDA2 don't have an antenna!

btw nokia phones that were introduced in europe 3 weeks ago can beat treo anytime.

they have 1mpix camera, bluetooth, can read native pdf files, have quickoffice, have 3G(UMTS/WCDMA) & EDGE support. something treo is lacking

and well they are smaller and ligher (around 120g). have FM-tuner & HW radio.

RE: Antenna
Altema @ 6/25/2004 1:19:03 PM #
I agree that the external antenna is not necessary (my SE-T616 has better reception than any of my past phones with external antennas. No, not the 610, the 616). However, I think it looks ok on the Treo and helps with the perception that this device is more than just a PDA with a cell radio tacked in.

RE: Antenna
mikecane @ 6/26/2004 10:17:56 AM #
Gekko rants about an antenna... hey, Gekko! How's that fat antenna on your damned AXIM, pal? Amazing that the SMALLER and MORE STYLISH hps can include BT/WiFi *without* it, eh? Troll elsewhere.

RE: Antenna
ackmondual @ 6/26/2004 6:44:58 PM #
You could probably get rid of it yourself and get away with it. I know some1 whoaccidently broke their antenna on some Sprint phone and it worked just as well. Other ppl online have also made the same claim. However don't blame me if it messes it up tho.

[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71.... so ends the "marathon", for now[/signature1]
OT ... RE: Antenna
LiveFaith @ 6/27/2004 3:50:08 PM #
Altema,
What's the diff in the 616 & 610? I thot it was just the networks? Just got the 610 on T-mobile yesterday. Is the 616 that better? Why?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Antenna
iJITSU @ 6/28/2004 1:08:24 AM #
Pat,

The SE T610 is 900/1800/1900 mhz. The SE T616 is 850/1800/1900 mhz. Tmobile has the 610 (all 1900 network) and Cingular has the 616 (850/1900 network).

RE: Antenna
e_tellurian @ 6/28/2004 1:24:23 PM #
Good point.

Other RF choices will not offer an external antenna as its interactive purpose is not the same. However, will interact with all including those with antennas.

BT is a good interactive ear that listens well.

E-T



e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: Antenna
Winter_ @ 6/28/2004 3:20:38 PM #
So, do dogs have Buddha nature?

:>

RE: Antenna
JonathanChoo @ 7/2/2004 12:08:31 PM #
Well I don't mind the antenna. It is similarly designed to the classic Ericsson T28/T39 mobile phones. I rather have an antenna poking out like that than a US mobile (StarTac) style pull out antenna.


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StarTac 75 > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630

Is that all?

mbaker @ 6/24/2004 10:06:35 PM #
Well, they cerainly aren't taking any big leaps here. Sure, I'd like a higher res camera and display, but I'm glad I didn't wait for the next version to com out. I am quite happy with what I got now. With add on software, I already have movie capability. The new camera does not have any more memory than my Treo600 and it runs the same 5.x version of Palm OS. I would have hoped for more memory and 6.x OS as well in the next version. It also looks to be basically the same form factor as the current version.Yes, I like the new features, but I'm also glad I got the 600 now rather than waiting until an unnamed date.

RE: Is that all?
neuron @ 6/24/2004 10:24:01 PM #
SmartPhone is OS5 only in the future. You won't see any OS6 smartphone.

You need go back to check PalmSource News.

RE: Is that all?
TooMuch @ 6/24/2004 11:44:35 PM #
"Well, they cerainly aren't taking any big leaps here..."

Yeah, like make it bigger and heavier and ugly and more power consuming. What P1 really needed to do was change the design so inventories aren't overstocked. But then again they could have made fold 'n fly like a paper airplane so that it could be the first "shared" smartphone. Now that would be a "big leap." Of course, that still wouldn't impress a terminal cynic.

RE: Is that all?
TooMuch @ 6/24/2004 11:55:34 PM #
"fold 'n fly"

Or how 'bout "fart 'n fly." Now that might impress the like.

RE: Is that all?
treo007 @ 6/25/2004 2:11:40 AM #
>>"SmartPhone is OS5 only in the future. You won't see any OS6 smartphone.

You need go back to check PalmSource News."

Actually, I would advise you to go and do the same. Neither PalmOne nor Palm Source ever said there wouldn't be an OS 6.0 smart phone. They only said they were developing a OS 5.0 version geared towards smart phone that would be low cost.

With Treos making up a considerably larger portion of Palm's revenue (and overall increased financial success) on a daily basis, I highly doubt they won't be releasing an OS 6.0 phone in the near future.

Might want to tone down the arrogance next time if you don't know what you're talking about...


RE: Is that all?
Calroth @ 6/25/2004 3:10:31 AM #
What is the point of making an entire OS for smartphones (in this case, Garnet), if the single biggest selling range of smartphones isn't going to use it?

P.S. It doesn't make sense for PalmOne to have some Treo models with Garnet and some with Cobalt.

RE: Is that all?
treo007 @ 6/25/2004 4:18:00 AM #
>>"What is the point of making an entire OS for smartphones (in this case, Garnet), if the single biggest selling range of smartphones isn't going to use it?

P.S. It doesn't make sense for PalmOne to have some Treo models with Garnet and some with Cobalt."


There is if there's going to be an entire family of Treos or smart phones from Palm as this and other articles have stated (right from the mouth of PalmOne's own executives).

They can't all be high end, therefore an OS 5.0 device might make sense.

Face it, PalmOne is probably going to be producing a lot more smart phones than PDAs within a couple of years.


RE: Is that all?
Calroth @ 6/25/2004 8:41:20 AM #
An OS is not something that you can swap in or out of your PDAs at will. On a PDA, an OS is transparent... it's just there. We're not talking PCs here.

People expect every Treo in a family to act the same, but have different physical features. More RAM, faster processor, built-in Bluetooth, built-in camera or lack thereof etc.

Having a family of Treos, some with Cobalt, and some with Garnet, makes about as much sense as having a series of Tungstens with OS 5, but some with OS 4. (OK, the Tungsten W aside.)

RE: Is that all?
a3 @ 6/25/2004 9:45:45 AM #
Treo 007: I have to agree with the other guys. I think that Garnett will be exclusive for smartphones (at least in the next few years). It is a stable, proven and fast OS for PalmOne's most important business (if not now, at least in a near future).

Cobalt will be used for the laptop replacement PDA. As soon as they have it settled, tested and bug-free (to some extent at least) they might think on exporting it to the Treo family.

____________________________________________________
Current fan of a 320x480 tablet shaped Palm with built in BT+Wifi for less than US$450

RE: Is that all?
hkklife @ 6/25/2004 10:28:09 AM #
Well, as I and many others suspected, the specs of this new Treo mimic the Zire 72 almost identically. IMHO that's a smart move on Palm's part--"share" specs/components with a midrange Tungsten or Zire handheld and 6 months to a year later, release a Treo with most of the same featureset. In the less-demanding smartphone world, specs that might relegate a dedicated PDA to midrange status still make for an ultra-high-end killer smartphone.

Good move, Palm. Also, isn't it funny how the Treo sync/charge connector is staying put and not being replaced by flimsy AC/mini USB cords? At least PalmOne won't screw that connectivity "standard" up! (though I do feel the Treo connector in its current form is a touch big for by "cell phone" standards)

RE: Is that all?
Edward Green @ 6/25/2004 11:29:11 AM #
The connector is the same as on some other Smart Phones like the SPV.

I bet we see this on Orange in Europe before it hits the States.

Edward Green
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http://www.khite.co.uk

RE: Is that all?
cbowers @ 6/25/2004 1:01:02 PM #
"What is the point of making an entire OS for smartphones (in this case, Garnet), if the single biggest selling range of smartphones isn't going to use it?"

That's only the single biggest selling one *today*. And recall we've already had Treo's across two OS flavors OS4 (up to the Treo 300) and OS5 for the Treo600.

"P.S. It doesn't make sense for PalmOne to have some Treo models with Garnet and some with Cobalt."

Sure it does. The same way it does to have a Tungsten C or T3 on one end, and a Zire 21 on the other. The basic OS experience is the same, but the actual OS is considerably different.

"An OS is not something that you can swap in or out of your PDAs at will."

As one who's done licensee beta testing, I would beg to differ. All Palm OS flavors are very tailored for devices any way. Assuming the OS was targeted for the specific device running OS5 or 6, is as simple as it was running OS2,3 or 4 on dragonball units.

"People expect every Treo in a family to act the same". To an extent that was the case with OS4 Treo's and OS5 Treo's, but there are also plenty of evolved changes. That will continue.

For the rest of the naysayers, get used to it. It's been made very clear to developers. They they want to get down to a particular pricepoint to drive sales, and that can be done with Garnet. However Cobalt will remain on the higher end, and as it was pointed out, it's even MORE suited to smartphones than garnet with it's abilities of locking down a device in terms of what software and drivers can be installed and how they may or may not interact. These are features cellular carriers are demanding (much as I loathe the entire concept). Carriers want Cobalt lockdown ability, and consumers want what will be Garnet pricepoint. PalmSource and licensees are going to give out both.

RE: Is that all?
cbowers @ 6/25/2004 1:37:44 PM #
And speaking purely of PalmSource news and the re-reading thereof, I'll make the jump easier:
http://www.palmsource.com/press/2004/021004_cobalt.html

Clearly there will be wireless and "smart" devices in both OS groups.

In fact, I tend to grimace at the term "smartphone" these days because it's so limiting. A connected device can be so much more than a phone. When you have a multi-media PDA with Bluetooth/WiFi and multiple bands of GSM or CDMA flavors (as HP is market leading with), it's much more than a smart phone.

Camera? And they'll fail in business again!

T.W.G @ 6/25/2004 3:51:52 AM #
Hi,

when do they recognize this?
In many companies cameraphones are forbidden and here palm one will - again - sell no single unit!

I can't understand this; hopefully they'll release an official cameraless version.


Thomas

T.W.G www.twgmusic.de

Palm Powered Handheld Reviews from T.W.G at: www.pdaforum.de

RE: Camera? And they'll fail in business again!
Snerdy @ 6/25/2004 7:30:01 AM #
Patience -- you'll get your thing:

http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=51904

RE: Camera? And they'll fail in business again!
cbowers @ 6/25/2004 1:17:02 PM #
Jeeze man, they're already selling a cameraless Treo 600, and likely would future models.

RE: Camera? And they'll fail in business again!
T.W.G @ 6/26/2004 5:27:24 AM #
I am patient ;-) The actual "cameraless"version is looking kind of selfmade by any customer ;-)

Had the same ideo on my P900

T.W.G www.twgmusic.de

Palm Powered Handheld Reviews from T.W.G at: www.pdaforum.de

RE: Camera? And they'll fail in business again!
LiveFaith @ 6/27/2004 3:57:02 PM #
Fix for those overly angry about the built-in camera feature, from www.Wrigley-Palm1.com:

Step #1 Place a new piece of bubble gum in mouth and begin chewing.

Step #2 Lay Treo 6xx face down on desk, revealing camera.

Step #3 Take a small Phillips screwdriver and place on camera lens.

Step #4 Strike handle of screwdriver with small hammer lightly until lens shatters. (Repeat step if necessary)

Step #5 Take a small flat screwdriver or pocket knife and gut loose fragments from lense area.

Step #6 Remove enough chewed bubble gum from mouth to fill lens hole 80-85%

Step #7 Quickly squeeze one of those blue-round-plastic Palm logos (or equivalent) into the wet gum to make a smooth low profile logo.

Step #8 Let Treo600 set for 24-36 hours allowing solution to harden and logo to become secure.

Viola! Providing your gum was not green-apple, the Treo now looks professionally cameraless and the stress of PalmOne's injustice is a distant memory.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

What about rumors of OS Cobalt devices?

feranick @ 6/25/2004 11:47:27 AM #
Does anybody know when the first OS Cobalt device will be available? Is there any rumor about it?

Nick

RE: What about rumors of OS Cobalt devices?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/25/2004 12:36:43 PM #
During the just-completed PalmSource earnings call the CEO of PalmSource said the first Cobalt device is not expected til early ==2nd half 2005==. If he was talking calendar year that means what it means; if he was talking fiscal year that means not til January 2005 earliest.

Such a lead time for an entirely new OS makes sense from a programmer's POV.

RE: What about rumors of OS Cobalt devices?
Rome @ 6/25/2004 5:29:01 PM #
SeldomVistor/Hengeem,

Please stop spreading rumors again. We all know that you are a short on palmOne and Palmsource stocks. Take your trash back to the Yahoo message board.

I printed out and read Palmsource earnings conference call's final transcript from CCBN, and no time in the call yesterday did David Nagel mention the timing and availability of Cobalt devices.

Below is what he ACTUALLY said about the Cobalt and Garnet transition:

"And, you know, we anticipate the transition from Garnet to Cobalt-based products will happen pretty much exactly the same way that the transition of OS4 to OS5 happened a couple of years ago."



RE: What about rumors of OS Cobalt devices?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/25/2004 6:58:27 PM #
About 6 minutes after the conference call began the CEO said:

== "...We anticipate that the next generation of
== products running PalmOS Cobalt will be delivered
== early in the second half of fical year 2005..."

That is, January 2005 onward.

Like it or not.


TreoCentral artivle about ths yanked

SeldomVisitor @ 6/25/2004 5:57:29 PM #
Te TreoCentral article about this rumor has been yanked.

RE: TreoCentral artivle about ths yanked
alexito @ 6/27/2004 1:21:42 AM #
It is in google cache here:

http://tinyurl.com/25d3w

I think this one is real since they somehow forced TreoCentral to take it down.

Also by that thread I rediscovered the new Motorola MPx.

The sad part is that I can afford my current Treo 600 GSM two months and days ago and now they release this, well I think a Treo 600 in hand is better than nothing =)

Technology moves faster than you can afford... at least for me.

RE: TreoCentral artivle about ths yanked
SeldomVisitor @ 6/28/2004 7:16:16 AM #
Based on recent posts by TreoCentral staff it looks like Sprint (or an unnamed "large wireless carrier"...) threatened TreoCentral with some sort of lawsuit.


Make them BETTER!

BLECHTREO @ 6/25/2004 6:29:15 PM #
I have 152 Treo 600's and Palm Treos. So far, I have had to replace 61 of them! These things are just not up to snuff.

Here are the problems I/my users am/are having with these things. Too damn delicate. They can't take a 1 foot fall or a more than gentle bump. If they do, the screen stops working, certain keys get jammed, the SD card slot or camera stops working and so on.

As for using it for a phone, FORGET IT, unless you are on a SprintPCS network. The reception is just plain lousy even in major metropolitan areas like NYC, LA, BOSTON and MIAMI. I guess that's the difference between CDMA and GSM.

As for the web connectivity you have to pay $50 a month for unlimited access on AT&T! Could you at least kiss me first? Sprint is more reasonable at $15 a month for unlimited. While Sprint web service is better than AT&T's, it's not by much. Chronic outages all day long. Palm tried to address these with a patch you can download from their website but there is NO change with this problem. How much of this is a problem with the service provider or the manufacturer? I don't know and the users don't care, all they know is they can't use it the way it's advertised.

Battery life is a joke. 1 day at most with heavy usage. Yeah, a company is actually making an INTERNAL battery with extra capacity (not Palm). Palm does sell an external battery but it doubles the weight and thickness of the Treo. Nobody who has the Palm made external battery carries this with them for those reasons.

Well, at least it has a full Palm OS. WRONG-O! Many of the functionalities you come to expect from Palm device are absent. You can't back everything up to the memory card, especially phone functions. You cannot save the favorites phone list or any other phone function to the SD card. If you lose any data in the phone-centric functions or want to move them, FORGET IT. Once it's gone, it's gone. Do you really want to reprogram in 50 contacts worth of info with names, numbers, address and whatever other info you had tagged?

Palm application software isn't always compatible with Treos. Hmm, funny, says it's a Palm OS and is compatible with Palm applications.

These things are supposed to be communications devices but far too often I am called by users on a land line complaining that they can't send/receive their corporate mail or they can't call out or do any of the other things the Treo is advertised to do.

Ok, customer service. If you have a problem with these things after 30 days you don't contact the service provider (AT&T or Sprint), you contact Palm. In all but 3 instances, I had to ship back the device with an RMA, at my own expense for them to repair or replace at their option. Screw a bunch of that! If I am sending it somewhere it better be replaced! HA! REPAIR! DOUBLE HA! I will say it only took a week, in most cases, to get replacement Treo's in my case. That's a damn site better than I have come to expect from various other service providers. But, come on! Most customers want to be taken care of at the same place they bought the merch from! Especially, when the problem occurs only days after the intial 30 day period.

STAY AWAY FROM THESE PHONES. Unless you have the patience or have the corporate clout, get a separate phone and separate Palm device with Bluetooth or with WiFi. You'll be much happier.

RE: Make them BETTER!
mikecane @ 6/26/2004 10:41:39 AM #
Why don't you say what you were obviosuly leading up to: Buy an MS Mobile phone? I don't believe a word of what your rant.

RE: Make them BETTER!
Strider_mt2k @ 6/26/2004 12:20:56 PM #
I didn't see anything other than a rant against this particular piece of hardware.

Of course we have no way to verify this story, but it sounds plausible enough to me.


I also work in an industry where we see very large quantities of products roll through our shop, getting installed by us and used by a 3rd party. I'm our Tech Rep., so I'm the first one to hear about flaws and whatnot.

My point is that is much easier to spot this stuff dealing with large numbers of an item.

Palm/P1 has had ongoing issues with how some of their stuff holds up over time (To which I can personally attest (x3!) ), which also lends credence to this rant.

If there is stuff missing from the smartphone OS version it should be easy enough to confirm.


I'd actually like to put in another word for Symbian.
If they really work at it, maybe they could be a major player in the future.



RE: Make them BETTER!
TooMuch @ 6/26/2004 12:52:00 PM #
"...plausible..."

:o)

RE: Make them BETTER!
gfunkmagic @ 6/26/2004 4:42:40 PM #
"Nobody who has the Palm made external battery carries this with them for those reasons."

It don't think it's that bad. I usually use it at the end of the day to add some charge when my battery is low or something. Also, the GSM Treo600 has a much better battery life than the Sprint version. Furthermore, you battery really depends on the coverage of your wireless provider and type of wireless connectivity apps you have installed on the Treo. If you use goodlink or chatter or something, then wireless will be on alot more and consequently the battery usage will be higher. But I agree, the external battery may not be for everyone...

"Well, at least it has a full Palm OS. WRONG-O! Many of the functionalities you come to expect from Palm device are absent. You can't back everything up to the memory card, especially phone functions. You cannot save the favorites phone list or any other phone function to the SD card..."

Umm...WTF are you talking about?!! I mean are you really IT manager or something, b/c remind me to NEVER ask you for information b/c you basically don't know what the hell you are talking about! There are numerous backup apps like Backupman etc that are compatible with the Treo600 and they DEFINITELY backup the phone favs, contact, bookmarks etc. I use backupman all the time and it works flawlessly. If you haven't found a solution for this, it is b/c you are obviously ignorant...

"Palm application software isn't always compatible with Treos. Hmm, funny, says it's a Palm OS and is compatible with Palm applications."

Again, what are you talking about?!! What specific apps are you referring to anyway? The major compatibility issue with the Treo is the 5-way nav functionality, but even here most apps will work w/o this. AFAIK, most major apps have been ported to the Treo anyhow...

"These things are supposed to be communications devices but far too often I am called by users on a land line complaining that they can't send/receive their corporate mail or they can't call out or do any of the other things the Treo is advertised to do."

There are many, many email options for the Treo600. The funcitonality all depends on the product you choose. The Treos (new firmware) all come bundled with the Visto based mail client that is sufficient for most consumers. On the other hand there are many users over at Treocentral who swear by Good, snapper or whatever. Thus the problem is most likely related to email package...

"Ok, customer service. If you have a problem with these things after 30 days you don't contact the service provider (AT&T or Sprint), you contact Palm..."

Again, WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! You get a one-year manufacturer's warranty with the Treo600. With Sprint, if you have a defective Treo600, you can take it to your local Sprint store and they should replace it if they have it in stock. If they don't, the avarage wait to get it shipped is between 10-14 days. The replacement Treo is usually a refurb, but is basically new. I have NEVER heard of Sprint sending you back the exact same Treo. Secondly, Sprint and many other carriers offer replacement insurance from companies like Lockline. Thus, if you do drop it, you can get replacment devices...

Overall, this poster sounds lame with very poor knowledge about the device he apparently provides support for. His ignorance about basic utilities like backup software should be a big red flag...

I support http://Tapland.com/

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GNM

RE: Make them BETTER!
Edward Green @ 6/26/2004 6:06:28 PM #
I have hard reset my Treo 600 (due to some software I was Beta testing). With no extra backup software the first Sync restored all my favourites and internet bookmarks and email settings. Hmmm. I smell something fishy.

Edward Green
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http://www.khite.co.uk
RE: Make them BETTER!
Strider_mt2k @ 6/27/2004 6:44:00 AM #
Good points guys!

I think I may stand corrected here.

RE: Make them BETTER!
mikecane @ 6/28/2004 12:03:48 PM #
>>>I think I may stand corrected here.


You do indeed. A hint to save you from future shame: Bother to click on the damned HANDLE of the creep. If this is his first and ONLY post, we have -- wait for it! -- a TROLL. That is what he was. That was why I responded as I did.

RE: Make them BETTER!
Strider_mt2k @ 6/29/2004 6:19:25 PM #
I don't feel any shame, silly.

Shame is for things that matter, not threads on a message board.

RE: Make them BETTER!
Strider_mt2k @ 6/29/2004 6:22:58 PM #
Now that I think about it for a minute the question begs to be asked:

Does the fact that someone hasn't posted alot or even before somehow make their input suspect or not to be considered?

Or the fact that someone posts alot somehow make someone more credible?


I'm sorry, but I only see one set of posts here that seem to be specifically designed to incite conflict, and they're yours, Mikecane.


RE: Make them BETTER!
LiveFaith @ 6/30/2004 10:08:38 AM #
Strider,

I hope you're not an airport screener where I fly next time. :-)

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Make them BETTER!
Strider_mt2k @ 6/30/2004 10:22:42 AM #
Why, do they have anything to do with the topic at hand?

Or is this nothing but an insult fest?



Bad credit == No Credit.
orb2069 @ 7/5/2004 4:20:10 PM #
Does the fact that someone hasn't posted alot or even before somehow make their input suspect or not to be considered?

Well, there's a reason why those E-Z-Credit businesses lump "Bad credit?" and "No credit?" in the same catagory.



RE: Make them BETTER!
Winter_ @ 7/6/2004 5:46:00 AM #
The problem here, as I see it, is defined as:
"No credit (first post)" && "Wants to buy something shopkeeper doesn't like (ranting against palm)" == "Bad Credit (troll)"
Or can you imagine a first timer being dismissed because of praising Palm*?

To me that sounds like a cheerleader club :P.

Look at Mikecane's answer to the initial, >600 words post. He didn't care to counter the initial rant; he just said "I don't believe a word". Useful!

Compare that to the informative, detailed 600-word long post by gfunkmagic. Even the 3 lines long post by Edward Green provided a counterpoint! Furthermore, Strider quickly acknowledged the points made.

And still, Mikecane came back to brag about "how to avoid future shame" : his knowledge comes from the fact that the poster is a first timer. Wow, man.

So, let's count: Possible points to counter in the initial rant=9 (quick count). Total posts by Mikecane: 2. Posts capable of making people uneasy: 2. Total lines contributed to the subject=4. Points actually made=0. (that summarizes easily to me: trollness score: 100% :P)


I certainly am with Strider. :P

Why my Treo is driving me nuts

Gekko @ 6/25/2004 7:37:21 PM #
RE: Why my Treo is driving me nuts
Felipe @ 6/25/2004 8:27:24 PM #
this article was written in may, he is still using it according to article posted this week.



RE: Why my Treo is driving me nuts
alexito @ 6/25/2004 11:54:51 PM #
If that were true, why is it still an editor's choice? They update their choices if they develop serious issues. Also they are recommending Treo 600s to the grads that would become presidents. Thanks God I saved enough money to bought me one for my own grad on may, a bit hard to get one here on Mexico, but I got one for $5500 MXP with cradle and case =). Hopefully I'll become president some day.

Talking about the Treo, for me is rock solid, I can go for 3-4 days without charging it, moderated and balanced use (PDA mainly, mp3 moderated, SMS moderated and light calling) Talk time isn't cheap, mainly because I'm unemployed right now (If you have some interesting position, offer it to me, I can outsource your IT projects for a fraction of the cost in USD =)). The only spontaneous reset I've got was when I tried to reinstall grafitti 1, btw if you know how to make it, please repost, y miss mi old m130 writing capabilities even with the great keyboard. Obviously I'll never drop my Treo, not even half an inch.

For me so far so good. The update seems like good news for Palm given the strong push that this product is giving to its finances. I don't really care about the camera (I barely use mine right now, and I can record video with a free app www.infinityball.com) or Bluetooth since I don't have any device that uses it, and headsets I've seen on the internet are WAY so expensive for my small pockets. If the screen really improves at battery expense I'll probably skip it, and even if the current low resolution screen isn't a T3 compared to my OLD m130 it is SO BRIGHT and I really don't see any ghosts in Zap! that is the most fast paced app that I use =)

Just my two cents, and if you really have an open position email me at alex_mayorga(at)yahoo.com I'm graduated in information systems engineering.



Technology moves faster than you can afford... at least for me.

RE: Why my Treo is driving me nuts
mikecane @ 6/26/2004 10:42:37 AM #
Gekko is a part of the Axim Of Evil. That he claims to have a Treo is laughable.

RE: Why my Treo is driving me nuts
Foo Fighter @ 6/26/2004 7:16:54 PM #
>> "That he claims to have a Treo is laughable."

He doesn't. He was just quoting the title of the C|NET article. How anyone could love a handheld with a name that sounds like some kind of prescription drug is beyond me. Take two Axim and call me in the morning. On second thought, don't. Just take the Axim and leave.

-------------------------------
Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com
Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com

Answering machine?

Toadman @ 6/26/2004 7:10:35 PM #
One good thing possible with symbian smartphones are the "answering machine" programs like these ones

http://www.iolansoftware.fi/am.html
http://www.symbianware.com/product.php?id=sanswer60&pl=sx1

I was told that similar programs do not exist for the treo 600 because its firmware does not support recording.
I really hope the new treo will.


RE: Answering machine?
yakisoba @ 6/27/2004 1:07:40 AM #
Err wait a minute, am i missing something here? isn't there something call voicemail?
RE: Answering machine?
LiveFaith @ 6/27/2004 4:25:26 PM #
Yes, but everybody has that, even on free fones.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Answering machine?
gfunkmagic @ 6/27/2004 6:36:27 PM #
The updated Treo600 firmware allows to record audio; however, the palmOs side of the device does not have access to the phone mic. Thus the only way to record voice conversations on the Treo600 via either the speakerphone or using the Seidio 2-in-1 headset. From user experiences the latter works very well btw. Thus, an answering machine-type app, while possible to create, is not a very practical solution since you would always have to put the Treo into speakerphone mode or have the Seidio connected. Hopefully, the rumored Treo Ace will have solved this problem...

In anycase, there are various call filtering and call forwarding apps available for the Treo600 that are very powerful:

Callfilter:
http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&prodID=53606

CallShield:
http://www.mantragroup.com/callshield.htm

Buzzoff:
http://www.toysoft.ca/buzzoff.html

I support http://Tapland.com/

--------------------
GNM

RE: Answering machine?
alexito @ 6/27/2004 8:08:43 PM #
Would you please elaborate about the Seidio 2-in-1. I would like to buy one of those but I hadn't managed to find a trustable review about it. Thank you so much in advance.

Technology moves faster than you can afford... at least for me.

Best carrier - AT&T or Sprint?

donaldekelly @ 6/28/2004 12:05:50 AM #
I have heard Sprint was awful for reception - but their deal on unlimited internet access is much better for the treo than AT&T (whose service I currently am satisfied with with my MMode phone).

Any tips? Does everyone like Sprint? Is AT&T worth the extra cost?

Thanks

someone tell me how to add a picture, then I will really scare you all!

RE: Best carrier - AT&T or Sprint?
XBOT90 @ 6/28/2004 11:00:44 AM #
I use Sprint, Cingular, TMobile and ATT when working on the MailWave Product.

This is what I have noticed:

Sprint:
Solid data connection, good phone quality. Coverage in major urban areas good, away from highways or outside of cities I tend to lose coverage fast.

Cingular & ATT Wireless:
(Now that these companies will be one). Larger coverage then Sprint. Data connections establish without problems. Cingular's SMS has faster delivery. AT&T SIMS appear to leave connections open from their data network to servers after device has disconnected. Not a user issue, but may break some apps. Could be my SIM as well.

TMobile:
About the same as Cingular. The GSM takes a little longer to establish connection, and sometimes misses on the first try (1 out of every 10 tries usually). SMS delivery is still faster then Sprint.

Overall I like the carriers in this order:
1. Cingular (ATT&T)
2. Sprint
3. TMobile.

What About Analog Mode?

rb @ 7/2/2004 2:42:29 PM #

The improvements are nice to have but they don't justify buying another Treo 600! Now, if PalmOne upgrades the new Treo 600 to operate in analog mode I would definately buy it.

RE: What About Analog Mode?
IanJD @ 7/5/2004 8:03:45 PM #
That's a novel definition of 'upgrade'.

RE: What About Analog Mode?
Marshall Flinkman @ 7/5/2004 10:47:48 PM #
Novel is right! "The carriers are getting ready to turn off analog! Let's make sure our new phone model has it!"

RE: What About Analog Mode?
dstrauss @ 8/24/2004 9:43:19 AM #
Let's tone it down a bit folks. There are still large parts of the backwaters of the good ol' USA where analog is the ONLY cellular service, and will not go away. Interstates and cities over 100,000 are generally safe for any digital carrier, but outside those "corridors" it can be nice to have analog in a pinch.

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