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PalmSource today announced QTech has licensed Palm OS to bring next generation Palm Powered smartphones and mobile solutions to the Indian and Latin American markets.
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Installing POTS takes too long. Cellular a natural in India.

Token User @ 7/28/2004 1:35:27 PM #
India is one of the fastest growing wireless markets with cellular connections predicted to grow to 56 million by the end of 2004, and reach 130 million by 2008 (Gartner). This growth can be attributed to the removal of regulatory hurdles for CDMA-based mobile services, the adoption of a unified telecom license to enable fully mobile services, the reduction in pricing of cellular services and the growing availability of a wide range of handsets at different price points.

... and I thought it was because installing a landline based infrastructure to a residence could take up to 2 years. Cellular has huge advantage in that envronment. Far cheaper to install a cell tower, and provide cellphones instead of handsets.

But, will the people take to SmartPhones over simple handsets? Wish QTech all the best ...

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

RE: Installing POTS takes too long. Cellular a natural in In
RhinoSteve @ 7/28/2004 4:15:41 PM #
That is true Token. Also, another thing that cell phones offer a telco is the total elimination of a party line. POTS does not only take to long to install but also there is widespread piracy of phone lines and long distance accounts that would make anyone at 2600 give respect and admiration.

Cell phone cloning is mostly dead now with the new standards and bonding of the low level firmware developers at the source of internal development. Thus, you have more reliable billing and service activation and deactivation from a more secure and central source.

One advise to PalmSource, have someone independantly audit the manufacturing so you get every nickel from the OS license agreement. Getting burned from that other overseas manufacturer who never paid out all the royalities due is a hard lesson I'm sure you have learned by now.

RE: Installing POTS takes too long. Cellular a natural in India.
mikecane @ 7/28/2004 7:34:00 PM #
>>>One advise to PalmSource, have someone independantly audit the manufacturing so you get every nickel from the OS license agreement. Getting burned from that other overseas manufacturer who never paid out all the royalities due is a hard lesson I'm sure you have learned by now.

Do I hear "Acer" NOT being mentioned here? Or is it another firm not being mentioned that I can't recall?

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JKingGrim @ 7/28/2004 10:19:57 PM #
We need another mainstream licensee.

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mikecane @ 7/29/2004 8:06:07 AM #
Don't be so provincial. The more countries it's in, the better. The fewer countries that go with WinMob, the better.

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Token User @ 7/29/2004 9:53:00 AM #
India has a higher proportion of post graduate educated people than the US. The Indian economy is booming (as is China's). Thinking that anything happening west of Hawai'i or east of Boston being a blip on the radar is a shame. As the PDA market slows down in the US (and Europe), the Chinese and Indian markets are starting to grow rapidly as their economies, and more particularly middle to upper class professionals with a higher disposable income, increase at a rate that is outstrippping the US.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
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JKingGrim @ 7/29/2004 3:08:22 PM #
I did not mean that this was not important because it wasn't is the US or something. I just meant that every new licensee is always a smartphone maker, or some kind of niche market. We need another major mainstream company like HP to bring quality PDAs. Palm is just not innovative enough.

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trophyofgrace @ 7/29/2004 4:52:14 PM #
What makes you think HP is innovative? Have you seen their new products? Nothing that hasn't been done before, they're basically replacing their year-old models (that were fairly innovative) with boxy ugly bricks.

I think that if PalmOne released a T/E with a 320X480 screen, at least 32MB of RAM, 312MHz processor or better, SD slot (maybe 2?), bluetooth (or wifi, or both), they'd have a winner. the PUC may be pushing it, but I'd definitely buy that model with or without the PUC. I'd just buy it sooner if it had it. List price: $250-350.

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hkklife @ 7/29/2004 6:24:39 PM #
Whomever is the "launch planner" at PalmOne should be taken out back and flogged over sticking to the horrible archaic "April and October" launch schedules of yore.

In this day & age if ya snooze, ya lose. PalmOne needs to, at the very least, reshuffle things a bit to have "big" launches in spring & fall and "interim refreshes" in the midsummer (same time as the T2 last year).

Techie guys are bored stiff in the summer and often are salivating for new goodies to buy. A Treo 610 and a T|E2 (with VG and OS5) would have been perfect mid-summer launches, with the OS6 heavyweights coming out in late October (too late for the back to school shoppers by then!).

Instead, we have had the Treo 600 for Verizon (*yawn*) and nothing else of note this long, hot summer. At the very least, some nice rumors or some minor OS upgrades for the T|C and T|3 would have been appreciated!

Oh well, let's just sit tight, hope that PLMO's using this downtime to crank up their quality control & manufacturing outsourcing issues and by late August some concrete T4 specs should start to trickle in!

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svrontis @ 7/30/2004 6:44:35 AM #
Not sure if any of the other mainstream hardware companies would try to take on little old palmOne. The great and mighty Sony gave it its best shot and, well, they capitulated.

However, I agree that a company like HP could really make a difference - just imagine what a great combination HP quality + Palm OS would make. Don't hold your breath, though - HP are enthralled by the Dark Side.

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Token User @ 7/30/2004 9:09:46 AM #
Sony were not out to capture a low end, mass market. They were targetting their standard demographic - 18-35 male with high disposable income.

I would speculate that the Qtech devices will either be low end standalone PDAs or mass marketed SmartPhones. Eitherway, they are not looking like playing in the same retail space as PalmOne - primarily North America and Europe - instead focussing on Central/South America, India, and with only a minor stretch of the imagination China.

Pure speculation on my part - we need more info from QTech themselves.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

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svrontis @ 7/31/2004 4:37:49 AM #
TokenUser, I don't know if it possible to discern any consistent plan in what Sony was doing towards the end. I guess, based on the kind of units they released in the last year or so, they must have been targeted buyers who had awefully big coat pockets and a lot of money to waste on multimedia gimmicks.

Sony's strategy (if there was one) was deeply flawed. Rather than focussing on customer needs and deliverying products that better met those needs, Sony seemed to be obsessed with trying to impress with gadgetry. They seemed to be committed to pushing the boundaries of what could be done, at a technical level, rather than exercising judgement as to whether this so-called "innovation" was actually something which would be useful in the real world. In reality, "innovation" means finding better answers; not merely doing something for the sake of impressing technology buffs.

I shouldn't be too critical. Early on, Sony tried to take on Palm (and Hanspring) at their own game. They were making headway. But Palm and Handspring were in the middle of a price war at the time. After suffering a lot of red ink, Sony tried to do something different; they tried to differentiate their products so that they would not have to slug it out on the basis of price alone. Sony were right to change tack - they just took the wrong one.

I hope Sony re-enter the market at some stage and make me eat my words. A great company like Sony could make a real mark on the PDA market, if only they take it seriously.

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Token User @ 7/31/2004 8:25:26 AM #
Sony's strategy (if there was one) was deeply flawed. Rather than focussing on customer needs and deliverying products that better met those needs, Sony seemed to be obsessed with trying to impress with gadgetry.

Completely agree ... and that is one of the traits of the 18-25 male market. They had innovative, solid products, but IMHO their downfall was that they had a new model out every 2 months. They really needed to push dropping their prices to be competitive to a wider audience. I see a lot of Clie units in the hands of exec's and "C" level staff in companies - more so than PalmOne products (though Treo600 usage is growing fast).

I really hope that QTech have a solid business model in place and get through version 1.0, and 1.1 products and build a rep in Latin America and India BEFORE they make any push in a US market. Its brutal here.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

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RhinoSteve @ 8/2/2004 3:04:50 PM #
Frankly, with this happening, I can see Sony's glory days of the Walkman and other hard innovations are behind them. Like other giants, they have institutionalized their strategy that got them to where they are. However, that strategy isn't meeting the current market.

Sony could have ruled the Palm device business if they aimed for more of a wider market than the handsome margin botique focus they had with their Palm devices. Also, with Sony, you never ever know the underlying currents of their operations unless you spend a lot of time around Ginza and know Japanese well. So who knows what their real focus is concerning this.

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