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During the PalmSource Euro DevCon 2004, NormSoft and GlooLabs announced a partnership to launch a service that allows mobile users to navigate and listen to their home music collection using the Pocket Tunes Deluxe application.
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Whoa...

A9700rO @ 10/7/2004 2:50:57 PM #
Nice, very nice indeed, but still, if you decided to listen to your music via the wireless streaming, would that not hurt the batteries even more than the external storage does? not to complain or anything, but I just felt I should point that out, PalmOne should bundle PocketTunes rather than the crappy RealOne.

Clie-SJ22>>Tungsten | E >>> Clie-NX60>>Zire 72
RE: Whoa...
statik @ 10/7/2004 3:34:45 PM #
Wow.. that is cool. Hope you have an unlimitted minutes/data plan though.

As for Palm bundling another mp3 player? What I'd really love to see is Palm and Apple getting together and bringing a version of iTunes out for the Palm. Now that would be a wild combination.

RE: Whoa...
WebMarc @ 10/7/2004 3:42:57 PM #
> As for Palm bundling another mp3 player? What I'd really love
> to see is Palm and Apple getting together and bringing a
> version of iTunes out for the Palm. Now that would be a wild
> combination.

I've been fantisizing about palmOS on my iPod: love the iPod formfactor, harddrive and touchwheel/touch button UI. As these micro drives are available in larger capacities (http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7189), there can be some room for more PDA guts.

"You got your chocolate in my peanutbutter..."

Marc

P.S. Does the above advert reference mean anything to anyone?

RE: Whoa...
gfunkmagic @ 10/7/2004 4:20:49 PM #
>>>>> What I'd really love to see is Palm and Apple getting together and bringing a version of iTunes out for the Palm...

Why? If you really want the iTunes interface on your Palm, just get the iTunes skin for Ptunes and your set! ;)

http://www.pocket-tunes.com/skins/players/iTunes4_v3.shtml

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RE: Whoa...
statik @ 10/7/2004 5:10:07 PM #
Not the same thing... two words: "Smart Playlists". The iTunes smart playlists have completely changed the way I listen to music and I'd love to see them come to my Palm Pilot.

http://www.smartplaylists.com/

RE: Whoa...
JKingGrim @ 10/7/2004 7:09:40 PM #
So, would your home computer have to have a network connection?

RE: Whoa...
Altema @ 10/8/2004 1:15:28 AM #
Yes, your home computer would need a network connection. The bitrate (quality) will be determined by the slowest link, whether it be your cellular connection or your home PC connection. And yes, you BETTER have an unlimited cellular data plan!

In regards to iTunes; no, changing the skin on Pocket Tunes is not the same thing as being able to play iTunes songs using Pocket Tunes. Apple will not even respond to inquiries on this, their profits are in selling or licensing Apple hardware/technology.

Pocket Tunes already can stream music via ShoutCast, so this ability is the icing on an already wonderful cake.

RE: Smart Playlists on the Palm
moot @ 10/8/2004 8:16:01 AM #
On the subject of having Smart Playlists on the Palm, I've actually been brainstorming on this for my next Palm application. iTunes stores all library information in an xml file, so on the PC side, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to build a conduit that parses this xml data and selects songs based on smart playlist parameters. Where I'm getting stuck, is on the Palm side. In order for the Palm to modify the data on the PC like the iPod does (play count, last played, rating, etc...), I would have to basically build my own mp3 player software to keep track of what is played, which I don't really want to have to do. If I could somehow intercept another program's data to find out what is playing, then maybe I could just make a small app to sit 'on top' of another mp3 player, but even that is proving difficult to even get started on.

The best I might be able to do is load the Palm with songs from a smart playlist, but not update those songs later with the Palm statistics for playback. But for people like me who just use iTunes for library management and not for listening, then that wouldn't be much of a help.

RE: Whoa...
statik @ 10/8/2004 3:36:15 PM #
ahhh.. yes.. a kindered spirt. I love how when I listen to a song on my iPod it updates the last played date/time and playcount on my Computer.

Apple has licenced their DRM technology to Motorolla to bring iTunes to cell phones, so I can only hope that Palm will be included eventually.

Oh, and the idea to write a conduit that updates the iTunes XML whenever you hotsync? Awesome idea! I wish I thought of it first! :)


RE: Whoa...
GlooLabs @ 10/28/2004 2:09:42 PM #
The Pocket Tunes service will have the ability to use the iTunes smart playlists. The software that you install on your desktop works with iTunes, so all your playlists (and the smart playlists) will show up on your Treo.

Chocolate in my peanut butter

Doctor @ 10/7/2004 6:46:20 PM #
Very good analogy.
RE: Chocolate in my peanut butter
Hal2000 @ 10/7/2004 8:05:14 PM #
Reese's ad. Yep, I'm gettin old.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.

Home control

Hal2000 @ 10/7/2004 8:07:32 PM #
Why not create a great palm software like this to contol your home music files, volume, playlists from your pocket via WIFI. This would be great for everyday, parties.
BTW pocket tunes on the Zodiac is amazing- Greatest hardware/ background contol anywhere. Audio Quality competes with anybody.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: Home control
statik @ 10/8/2004 3:51:53 PM #
Already exists. (At least for Macintosh OSX)

http://homepage.mac.com/jonassalling/Shareware/Clicker/>Salling Clicker


RE: Home control
panasher @ 10/10/2004 10:25:07 AM #
Have you discovered the Palm program, RP3? It allows you to control WinAmp to play music on your home computer from your Palm over Wi Fi or other connections.

I think only the first version of RP3 is out and it could use some improvements, but it has changed my life. My speakers are in one room, but my stereo equipment is in another. It has been quite a hassle over the years to go back and forth between romms to control my music. Now, I do it wirelessly anywhere in the house over Wi Fi using my Palm Tungsten C. (I put half of my CD collection on my computer to do this. I converted my CD tracks using the FLAC format, which is lossless. I used dbPoweramp to do thid. It is a free download.)

I think you can find RP3 on CNET PDA downloads, or maybe it is on ZDNET. It costs only $10.00.

RE: Home control
panasher @ 10/10/2004 10:42:31 AM #
Reply two:

Rp3 is available from: http://empiresource.com/

RE: Home control
Hal2000 @ 10/10/2004 8:50:10 PM #
Now all I need is a wifi card and I'm all set.

Zodiac2/T616
1.128 gigs under the hood.

Great Idea, but...

treo007 @ 10/8/2004 12:10:16 AM #
Believe me, the potential for this is huge....but 3G networks are what will allow it to really take off.

In fact, once they do, look for iTunes and the like to license their DRM for this type of service. It's closer than you think...

Serious?

gijsraggers @ 10/8/2004 2:18:09 AM #
If you're serious about this: get an iPod.

RE: Serious?
JonathanChoo @ 10/8/2004 6:41:23 AM #
What iPod?

Slimdevices Slimserver

shufuu_reloaded @ 10/8/2004 6:37:19 AM #
It's possible to do this currently using the OpenSource Slimserver software from Slimdevices here :-
http://www.slimdevices.com/
It actually works off of your iTunes database, which let's you do nifty things such as browse your music collection via their Album covers, which I'm not sure you can do in iTunes itself.

I have a Tungsten T (first one) and have so far been able to listen to my music around my flat via a bluetooth LAN connection to my home pc, at my office in work, over a company firewall and through the D-link DSL Router which I have at home, and lastly, via bluetooth and gprs over an old Siemens S55. It's pretty nifty.

The only Palm software I've found that can play streams is the PocketTunes deluxe version, which I'm loathe to buy, since I've already bought Aeroplayer for mp3 playback, and would hate to have to buy another mp3 software. Does anyone know of any more?

Additionally, you have to have a dynamic dns service if you don't have a static ip address. I used the No-IP one here :-
http://www.no-ip.com
which is free, and is directly supported by the D-Link Router, so I don't have to install any more software on my homepc.

The only drawbacks are, beside the tremendous costs of actually streaming music via gprs, are that to actually choose you music playlists, you have to use the webinterface, so you have to exit Pockettunes, open up your browser, choose the playlist, etc; There's no way to control it from within the mp3 software, but I guess that's asking too much, especially since the whole setup is pretty much free.

Ps, I don't work for any of the companies above. I just read this news article, and after my experiments in getting the same thing up and running with virtually no-cost (before Pockettunes that is), I felt other people should have a go too.

RE: Slimdevices Slimserver
dhchung @ 10/10/2004 10:04:03 PM #
good information. thanks :)

RE: Slimdevices Slimserver
cbowers @ 10/12/2004 4:05:21 PM #
False claim alert.
Mmplayer has done streaming audio for quite some time, perhaps even first. The only innovation here is the transccoding of bit rates based on bandwidth. But that's useful only for the GPRS folks. Using Wifi on my tungsten C, I just take them as they are.

What's the use

Alric @ 10/8/2004 10:31:34 AM #
This would make more sense if Palm produced more than ONE handheld with built-in WiFi.

RE: What's the use
Analytical @ 10/11/2004 3:31:30 AM #
Too right! Are you listening PalmOne???

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