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A recent article on BoingBoing.net talks about how PDAs are being used in the US Presidential Campaign. Parties are deploying handheld computers to record data and make canvassers more effective on the road.
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Which PDAs?

mikecane @ 10/22/2004 2:39:02 PM #
I bet Bushies use PPCs. Gotta love them monopolies. And them thar "internets" (didn't he mispronunciate "innernets" thar?).

Go Ralph!

RE: Which PDAs?
superdork @ 10/22/2004 3:35:48 PM #
Shutup you socialist pig. :P

RE: Which PDAs?
Foo Fighter @ 10/22/2004 4:12:29 PM #
Since when does Microsoft have a monopoly over the PDA market?

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RE: Which PDAs?
AdamaDBrown @ 10/22/2004 5:10:20 PM #
Mike,

Don't besmirch the name of PocketPC by suggesting that Republicans would prefer them. Push whatever other baseless memes about them that you want, but Republicanism is TOO FAR! ;)

RE: Which PDAs?
mikecane @ 10/22/2004 5:11:21 PM #
Ah, the unimaginative rightwing Limbaugh-cloth-wearing reactionary imbeciles -- well, at least just one, right now -- come out of the woodwork. Opposition to the Yeehaw President now equals Socialism, does it?

And, Foo, you also know better.

RE: Which PDAs?
Captain Hair @ 10/22/2004 6:21:19 PM #
Mike, you should know better that technology interest crosses party platforms. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green Party, whatever, everybody loves tech. Now, coming out and making such derogatory comments against somebody for their political beliefs is uncalled for. I, for one, am a Republican and can very easily set aside my views in the spirit of thoughtful debate. Also, my family owns a small business that has benefitted from President Bush's fiscal policy, and we are in no way a 'Big Business' or 'Monopoly'. How are we successful and how do we compete against large corporations? By giving our customs what they want. That's how most corporations become successful, see: Microsoft. Now, the RNC is using $200 PDAs, and you and I both know what the best and most successful $200 PDA is: the pa1mOne Tungsten|E. I rest my case.

Oh, yes, I'm not offended by your offhand remarks and I won't demand an apology, just like Laura Bush declined when Teresa Heinz-Kerry implied that 10 years as an elementary teacher doesn't constitute a real job. Teaching is the most important job one can have. Enough said.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

RE: Which PDAs?
rsig @ 10/22/2004 7:08:16 PM #
I'm guessing the Kerry people carry both a PPC and a Palm. That way they can flip-flop between the two as the situation demands. No memory cards would be needed, since Kerry's "plan" could easily fit in one Memo Pad entry.

RE: Which PDAs?
Gekko @ 10/22/2004 7:25:46 PM #

MikeCon - we win, Commie. No socialist utopia for you.

GG



RE: Which PDAs?
Hal2000 @ 10/22/2004 9:07:36 PM #
How are we successful and how do we compete against large corporations? By giving our customs what they want.

Nothing works like a little payola at US Customs.

Zodiac2/T616
2.128 gigs under the hood.

RE: Which PDAs?
Captain Hair @ 10/22/2004 10:35:36 PM #
[quote=Hal2000]How are we successful and how do we compete against large corporations? By giving our customs what they want.

Nothing works like a little payola at US Customs.[/quote]
Oops, that's custom[i]ers[/i]. Tablet PC text recognition isn't exactly perfect...



"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

RE: Which PDAs?
Captain Hair @ 10/22/2004 10:38:18 PM #
Hey! There's no formatting on News topic replies! Eie! :(

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."
RE: Which PDAs?
ackmondual @ 10/22/2004 10:57:50 PM #
*[BEGIN QUOTE]
Since when does Microsoft have a monopoly over the PDA market?

*[END QUOTE]

I believe the rumor is that MS is letting P1 live and aren't gonna squash them b/c they want to avoid any further anti-trust suits. Same reason Y they havn'et completely shut out Apple.

[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71.... so ends the "marathon", for now[/signature1]

RE: Which PDAs?
Captain Hair @ 10/23/2004 9:51:18 AM #
Why on Earth was my reply deleted; a calm, civilized, response to mikecane's misguided attack on Republicanism? I would understand if mikecane's response was also deleted, as it was much more radical and sparked my need to explain my beliefs to somebody I should have started ignoring long ago.

*QUOTE: mikecane*
Ah, the unimaginative rightwing Limbaugh-cloth-wearing reactionary imbeciles -- well, at least just one, right now -- come out of the woodwork. Opposition to the Yeehaw President now equals Socialism, does it?
*END QUOTE*

Why is this obviously biased opinion allowed to remain? My observations on the discussion board's here show that healthy debate is encouraged and these kind of blind attacks only perpetrate an atmosphere of hate and prejudice. Like I said in my original post. "Technology exists despite political barriers."

Palm Infocenter, I have observed this sort of biased behavior from your Moderators before, but never have I been the target. It is clear that they favor mikecane and I an disgusted that this partisan behavior is tolerated. If you wish to bad political discussion, of all means, be my guest, but do NOT single out single replies to a radical posts; get the radical so mudslinging doesn't commence. Don't be surprised if when you post a political story (especially when you put RNC in it), that you get people who want to yell and scream and cry, and others who are *slightly* more down to Earth and like 'good, civilized, spirited debate'!
PIC, you've let me down. I'm not demanded that My post be reinstated (that would be something that Mr. mikecane would do if ever deleted), but I would like for this biased behavior to cease. Don't get me wrong, I love PIC, and I'm not going to let this incident push me away or prevent me fan expressing myself on these boards, but this cannot be allowed to happen again.

RE: Which PDAs?
mikecane @ 10/23/2004 10:16:22 AM #
Oh, look at all the gourds bleeding over my comment! What's the matter, all of you lose your sense of humor when it comes to politics? Say any damned thing about *any* candidate -- even Nader -- for all I care. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who runs for a public office is already suspect in my book.

A wise man once said, "Live your life as if the government doesn't exist." (Unfortunately, he has since failed to heed his own advice and is also now humorless when it comes to politics!)

RE: Which PDAs?
Gekko @ 10/23/2004 10:27:10 AM #

>"Live your life as if the government doesn't exist."

I wish Liberals/Democrats would follow this rule. But no, they want the government to give them everything for free - free healthcare, free education, free paychecks, free housing, free retirement income, etc. All I want - all I ever wanted the government to do is get the hell out of my way.



RE: Which PDAs?
Captain Hair @ 10/23/2004 10:32:01 AM #
All I had to do was sat something and Viola!, it's back? interesting...

I want a Treo 650. Now.

Still waiting...

Still waiting...

I guess not. Poo.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

RE: Which PDAs?
Captain Hair @ 10/23/2004 10:36:21 AM #
Amen, Gekko!

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."
RE: Which PDAs?
Captain Hair @ 10/23/2004 10:46:04 AM #
>"Live your life as if the government doesn't exist."

What? Don't vote? Not only are we biased, we don't give a damn who could end up in charge and make decisions that'll affect your life? I sincerely hope you are never allowed to talk to America's youth, "Hey kids, forget that there's a government. You don't used that..."

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

REPUBLICANS VS. LIBERAL DEMOCRATS
Gekko @ 10/23/2004 11:31:45 AM #
REPUBLICANS VS. LIBERAL DEMOCRATS

1. CRIME
Republicans Believe that the needs of communities and law-abiding citizens must take priority over those of criminals.
Liberal Democrats have an extremist record of placing the rights of criminals above all, including freeing violent criminals on legal technicalities.

2. NATIONAL DEFENSE
Republicans Believe that the only way to live free from foreign aggression is to maintain peace through strength.
Liberal Democrats would unilaterally disarm. They impose their agenda by continually voting to divert defense funds to expand social programs.

3. EDUCATION
Republicans Believe that students must be challenged to learn in a school environment that is safe for students and teachers. Parents must be offered more opportunities and options and the massive bureaucracy must be reduced.
Liberal Democrats have imposed discredited social experiments upon our schools, dumbing down the curriculum. Together with left-wing union bosses, they fight attempts to reduce the bloated education bureaucracy.

4. TAXES
Republicans Believe that Americans should keep more of what they earn through lower taxes and that tax policy should not suppress incentive by penalizing success.
Liberal Democrats relentlessly use propaganda to promote the failed premise that America can tax its way to prosperity. They wage class warfare against successful Americans through regressive taxes.

5. SPENDING
Republicans have long believed that government should not spend more than it takes in and have consistently fought for a balanced budget.
Liberal Democrats have a sad history of spending taxpayers' money to expand government bureaucracy and fighting against a balanced budget.

6. MEDICARE/SOCIAL SECURITY
Republicans Believe that the seniors' safety net must be preserved for today's beneficiaries and for the millions who will need it tomorrow.
Liberal Democrats shamelessly scare and frighten our seniors, acting as if nothing needs to be done, offering no solutions to a true problem.

7. GOD
Republicans Believe, as the founding fathers before us, that God was a major factor in the creation of this nation and that efforts to remove Him from society altogether must be reversed.
Liberal Democrats are aligned with extreme left-wing elements that God should be totally excluded from public utterances.


ARNOLD
Gekko @ 10/23/2004 11:34:35 AM #

"As a kid I saw the socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left. I love Austria and I love the Austrian people — but I always knew America was the place for me. In school, when the teacher would talk about America, I would daydream about coming here. I would sit for hours watching American movies transfixed by my heroes like John Wayne. Everything about America seemed so big to me so open, so possible. I finally arrived here in 1968. I had empty pockets, but I was full of dreams. The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, which is what I had just left. But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air. I said to my friend, "What party is he?" My friend said, "He's a Republican." I said, "Then I am a Republican!" And I've been a Republican ever since! And trust me, in my wife's family, that's no small achievement! I'm proud to belong to the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the party of Ronald Reagan and the party of George W. Bush."
"My fellow immigrants, my fellow Americans, how do you know if you are a Republican? I'll tell you how. If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government, then you are a Republican! If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group, then you are a Republican! If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican! If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children, then you are a Republican! If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the world, then you are a Republican! And, ladies and gentlemen, if you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism, then you are a Republican! There is another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people, and faith in the U.S. economy." - Arnold Schwarzenegger, 2004 Republican National Convention

"During the campaign for governor, I watched an amazing moment. Arnold Schwarzenegger had just given a speech at Modesto. And a kid, about 12 years old, ran up to the bus and just touched the bus, crashing through - passing all these state troopers and ran away, an almost sacramental thing you go through, with a young kid so impressed by a world-class, global celebrity like Arnold Schwarzenegger." - Chris Matthews



RE: Which PDAs?
Strider_mt2k @ 10/23/2004 12:30:54 PM #
It boils down to this:

Republicans give our money to their rich friends.

Democrats give our money to their poor friends.

Those of us unfortunate enough to be caught in the middle pay either way.

RE: Which PDAs?
Admin @ 10/23/2004 1:46:52 PM #
Captain Hair, I can assure you your post was never removed/censored. The mods haven't touched a post here.

-Ryan

Mm-hmmm
JMik @ 10/23/2004 3:03:49 PM #
Wow, Gekko, do you really believe all that simplistic drivel you just spewed forth? It's pretty funny that you talk about Republicans fighting for a balanced budget when they've amassed one of the biggest deficits in recorded history.
RE: Which PDAs?
mikecane @ 10/23/2004 4:10:43 PM #
Capt Hair: My reply comment was not directed at you, but at superdork.

RE: Which PDAs?
mikecane @ 10/23/2004 4:12:10 PM #
@Gekko's dumb quotes: Yah, Ahrnold. Love dem steroids, too, dontcha?

RE: Which PDAs?
Foo Fighter @ 10/23/2004 7:48:03 PM #
Gah! You people are all sheep. If you really believe in change, the most logical course of action is to end the two-party system and unseat both parties from power. But no...you don't have the intelligence or the guts to vote other than Democrat or Republican.

What really makes me sick to my stomach is that nearly half a billion dollars has been spent on these two unworthy candidates. Money that could have been spent on far more worthy ventures.

Oh, and by the way Mike. Kerry has actually received a larger percentage of his contributions from companies and special interest groups than Bush. Not that it really matters. No matter who wins, we all lose. George Washington was right when he warned the public against the creation of political parties.

Take my advice; drown the donkey and shoot the elephant. Vote a different choice!

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Gary Coleman was robbed. Everyone knows he won in California
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/23/2004 9:15:31 PM #
'Nuff said.


F. Aaaaahnold. Coleman for prez NOW!



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RE: Which PDAs?
mikecane @ 10/24/2004 1:14:10 PM #
Foo, are you sleep deprived or what? I'm voting for NADER. The rest of the sheep can keep baa-baa-baa-ing to this nation's self-inflicted doom. The rest of you had better wake up: There's only ONE political party in this country and it markets itself under TWO brand names: Republican and Democrat.

Neither Bush nor that prat Kerry can stand up against *NADER*'s record of *real* public service. And he did it way before we have the media whorage of today.

You want CHANGE? Vote Different!

RE: Which PDAs?
nickgold @ 10/24/2004 2:11:32 PM #
"7. GOD
Republicans Believe, as the founding fathers before us, that God was a major factor in the creation of this nation and that efforts to remove Him from society altogether must be reversed.
Liberal Democrats are aligned with extreme left-wing elements that God should be totally excluded from public utterances."

This should really scare the bejesus out of everybody else in the world. It frightens the crap out of me, a citizen of the USA.

The power-holders in the USA feel that the US has a divine right to do anything it wants in the name of "freedom" for the world (freedom to be dominated by the USA, "God's Favorite Country (tm)."

This is Bush's underlying principle, and it's basically the kind of crap that Hitler spewed. What should also scare you is that we spend more on our military than the next 10 largest nations put together. We got so many nukes we just don't know what to do with them, but we SHOULD be able to use them "preemptively" according to the Bush Administration's official doctrine.

It also scares me that so many Americans just eat up the official line, mostly due to the highly successful mass mind control operation known as "9-11." You know most of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights have been scrapped since 9/11/2001? That kinda ticks me off.

Divine Intervention
Gekko @ 10/24/2004 3:25:47 PM #

I believe it was Divine Intervention that George W. Bush was elected President. I believe God put George W. Bush in office to fight evil in the world. I believe liberals like Al Gore and John Kerry don't have the stomach to go after terrorists.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40088



Trolling, trolling, trolling... RAWHIDE!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/24/2004 3:49:51 PM #
I believe Geeko is a 12 year old child that is laughing his head off at how easy it is to troll the readers of Palminfocenter.

I believe eventually everyone will realize he's joking and will just ignore his posts.

This messageboard really needs killfile capability.



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RE: Which PDAs?
Foo Fighter @ 10/24/2004 5:15:12 PM #
Gekko, the electoral college put George Bush in office, not divine intervention. It sares me to belive that anyone would entertains such thoughts, though I'm sure you were only joking.

Speaking of which - During the 2000 election I was stunned to watch reactions from the unwashed masses, illustrating just how ignorant Americans are of their own political system! People were like..."what hell is this electoral vote bull****? Doesn't my vote count?". A woman interviewed by one local news program in my area even believed that the electoral college was some conspiracy created by the Republican party! Hello! Why do you think we stare at a map with all those blue and red states on election night? And these people have the right to vote? Scary.

Maybe if Americans would spend more interest and attention on the world around them instead of watching ridiculous "reality" TV shows (I use quotes because reality TV is anything BUT real. It's all scripted and the characters who star on such shows are paid actors..yet the public is too dumb to catch on) perhaps the public wouldn't be taken by surprise the next time this happens.

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RE: Which PDAs?
statik @ 10/25/2004 3:33:06 PM #
"(I use quotes because reality TV is anything BUT real. It's all scripted and the characters who star on such shows are paid actors..yet the public is too dumb to catch on)"

Strange... I consider this years elections to be the biggest "Reality TV" show of them all. Winner gets the presidency, loser is voted out of the whitehouse. Not much different than "Survivor" or "American Idol" imho.

RE: Which PDAs?
RhinoSteve @ 10/25/2004 5:21:03 PM #
Ok my turn!

It all comes down to personal responsibility and if your lifestyle contributes to survival of the human race.

Republicans: minimal and non centrist, let the people do what they want and most of all, live off the results of your actions. Does homosexuality promote surival? You choose and you are not using my tax dollars to hide from the effect.

Democrats: centrist and tries to replace their finite wisdom by pushing out God. Historially, this approach doesn't work and socially implodes after seven generations like the old Soviet system.

Libertarians: Pretty much an even balance of the best of the above two. Unfortunately, never properlly organized and haven't learned to work the media right.

To top is off, here is my prediciton for the party distribution of the US House circa 2040 with the Internet killing off big media influence: 70% Republican, 20% Democratic and 10% Libertarian.

RE: Which PDAs?
mikecane @ 10/26/2004 8:18:39 AM #
My head is spinning! Did Gekko *really* mention divine intervention? And did Rhino *really* say the Demos were *centrist*?

Next thing, I'll find out palmOne has released a T5 ROM update...

RE: Which PDAs?
Foo Fighter @ 10/30/2004 9:54:42 PM #
>> "Strange... I consider this years elections to be the biggest "Reality TV" show of them all. Winner gets the presidency, loser is voted out of the whitehouse. Not much different than "Survivor" or "American Idol" imho."

Ha! Good point. Let's call it...Who wants to be leader of the free world?. Hosted by Dan Rather.

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Stirrin' the Pot

LiveFaith @ 10/22/2004 4:43:20 PM #
Ryan,
You just had to stir the pot on this one. :-) This ought to be some intersting reading from here on out.


Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Stirrin' the Pot
LiveFaith @ 10/22/2004 4:48:28 PM #
The following link has everything you need to know before going to the polls. At least on the Georgia ballot. :-O

http://churchoflivingfaith.com/images/prez04.html

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Stirrin' the Pot
Ba-gug @ 10/22/2004 5:01:02 PM #
Do the Repub's have theirs shaped like a Elephant, and the Dem's like a Donkey?

"Hambug or Ba-gug, that's me.!"
RE: Stirrin' the Pot
Wollombi @ 10/23/2004 2:45:34 AM #
>>"The following link has everything you need to know before going to the polls. At least on the Georgia ballot."<<

Well, if elected, that ought to clear up Willie's tax mess... =P

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accountability

dustbunny44 @ 10/22/2004 4:48:08 PM #
Who knows what the app(s) is or who wrote it.

Do RNC PDAs require a paper trail, or do they just implicitly trust their canvasers?

Now we need a video of a chimp erasing canvaser data from a PDA.

Presidential/VP Candidates - Who uses which PDA?

Token User @ 10/22/2004 6:36:57 PM #
George W. Bush - After destroying three screens with his fountain pen, he now uses whatever Laura hands him (and she loves her Ipaq).
Dick Cheney - Can't tell you. Its top secret, but it DOES double as a heart monitor. Billions of $$$ went into its development. don't you feel safer now?

John Kerry - Pre-release Treo 650. Loves crossword puzzles. Screen makes a great mirror too.
John Edwards - Still carries his Day planner, and bills by the hour. He does love his MP3s of the Boston pops on his iPod though.

Ralph Nader - Sharp Zaurus using amodified Linux kernel.
Peter Comejo - Blackberry 7170. Designed in Canada, made in Mexico, use in the USA. This is what free trade is all about.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

RE: Presidential/VP Candidates - Who uses which PDA?
LiveFaith @ 10/22/2004 10:02:21 PM #
Cheney is probably the reason the T5 has no WiFi! Interferes with the pacemaker.

I bet Edwards favorite app is one of those Palm OS "mirror" apps that blacks out the screen to use as a compact.

: ~ D

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Presidential/VP Candidates - Who uses which PDA?
banker @ 10/23/2004 2:22:45 AM #
Yep I like them Petroleum Deployment Agencies..... What PDA?

George W Bush

RE: Presidential/VP Candidates - Who uses which PDA?
mikecane @ 10/23/2004 10:19:18 AM #
Now Token User has the spirit! Great stuff there, pal.

RE: Presidential/VP Candidates - Who uses which PDA?
nickgold @ 10/24/2004 2:19:58 PM #
That is too darn funny! :-D
RE: Presidential/VP Candidates - Who uses which PDA?
acidreflux @ 10/26/2004 10:03:46 PM #
well tell chaney to look out for the new treo 800g coming out soon! ...AINT THAT RIGHT, LIVEFAITH?

SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/23/2004 5:12:38 PM #
The tedious drivel posted by both Mike Cane and Geeko should have been deleted immediately if the moderator had any respect for the readers of Palminfocenter. The operative word here is "if. We come here to read about + discuss PALM PDAs - not to listen to verbal diarrhea political rants spewed by those with a kindergarten mentality. No doubt this post will be deleted in 12.7 seconds.

;-(



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RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
Gekko @ 10/23/2004 5:27:51 PM #

You should talk - you're about as annoying as they come and I'd love to smack you around in person.



RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/23/2004 5:36:41 PM #
I'd love to smack you around in person.


It's amazing how "brave" little flamers like you are when they're typing on their computers. I would be very interested in meeting you, Geeko. Post your contact info. We can meet at the local boxing club - it's been a couple years since I pounded the c r a p out of a poofter like you. Make sure you bring a note from your Mommy saying it's ok for you to step into the ring. You HAVE been in a ring before, haven't you? Kitty.



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RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
Gekko @ 10/23/2004 5:59:38 PM #

Yeah sure you would. Like you really expect me to post my contact info on a public forum. This is my last reply to you on this subject because I really don't want to continue this silly interchange. Just know that your posts give you away - you are a pasty, whiney, nerdy, little biitch and I would love to slap you around like the little biitch that you are - but I can't. I can only take solace in the fact that you probably get your nerdy azss beat on a regular basis.



RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
rcartwright @ 10/23/2004 11:06:15 PM #
First, how is political nonsense really all that different from the discussion about the T5? People on PIC poured out their hopes and dreams. Stress built till we got to THE DAY. The day after, about half the community felt screwed.

I would say that I am hacked off that otherwise intelliegent people are so easily reduced to personal attacks in response to political views. Say what you will about Arnold, I defy anyone on this board to go to a foreign country where you speak with an accent, don't have a lot of money and 30 years later you are an internationally known actor and govenor of a state that would otherwise be the 6th largest economy in the world. To me thats what the US is all about, and frankly why a lot of immigrants wind up Republicans. Aa an independent, I am still trying to decide which one I dislike less.



Rick C

RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
LiveFaith @ 10/23/2004 11:18:24 PM #
Ryan,
I hate to say I told ya so. But you just had to stir the pot. :-
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
grahamnind @ 10/24/2004 4:12:35 AM #
The vast majority of us in the UK were mystified that Bush was elected the first time. We will be absolutely flabbergasted if he gets in a second time. He has managed to squander all the goodwill felt towards America after 9/11. Brits, on the whole, feel that the world is a much less safe place now. There is real anxiety about what might happen if Bush gets in a second time.

RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
Gekko @ 10/24/2004 10:04:20 AM #

We're the United States of America. We've been attacked. We're going after the people on our idiot list. Get out of the way, because you don't want to end up on our idiot list.



RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/24/2004 3:26:51 PM #
Get out of the way, because you don't want to end up on our idiot list.

Geeko, if there's an "idiot list" somewhere, you must occupy the top 10 positions on it. Cowboy diplomacy and ignorant chest thumping are just a few of the reasons that Americans are despised around the world. The sad fact is that even though (I hope) your posts were meant to be a joke, there are actually a lot of Americans that agree with your puerile statements.

Again, this kind of c r a p has nothing to do with PALMs, so if the moderator is awake he should delete this whole useless thread ASAP.



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RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/24/2004 4:46:18 PM #
Yeah sure you would. Like you really expect me to post my contact info on a public forum. This is my last reply to you on this subject because I really don't want to continue this silly interchange. Just know that your posts give you away - you are a pasty, whiney, nerdy, little biitch and I would love to slap you around like the little biitch that you are - but I can't. I can only take solace in the fact that you probably get your nerdy azss beat on a regular basis.


Spoken like a true piece of dung, Geeko. Step into the ring and we will see who the "biitch" is. You're a cowardly piece of excrement.



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RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
mikecane @ 10/26/2004 8:20:23 AM #
VOR: God will get you. Gekko believes in divine intervention, you know...

RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/26/2004 10:55:25 PM #
Bring it (Him?) on!

(You saw what happened to Jesus on that old Southpark episode, right?)



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RE: SUGGESTION: Please keep political nonsense out of PIC.
mikecane @ 10/28/2004 2:09:44 PM #
No, I don't watch that show. Nice to see you admit that you do. Those cretins wouldn't dare try that episode again with Muhammed instead of J.

Technology Will Not Save the USA

maskman @ 10/23/2004 10:44:48 PM #
PDA's don't matter at all. They are just toys and appliances. It doesn't matter who is elected President, nor does it matter how much technology the nation has access. . .

The rich and well educated will eat up all the resources with their greed for money and power. The middle class and poor will not think beyond immediate needs and the satisfaction of their sense of being superior to other nations. . .

This is the pattern that has always repeated itself throughout history. Those disbelieving probably have the same mentality as those who believe that new plants and animals evolve faster than those becoming obsolete.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
rcartwright @ 10/23/2004 11:22:12 PM #

>hate to sound like Henny Penny, but I believe we are witnessing the decline (and perhaps FALL) of western civilization. Asia is the new North America. High paying jobs will continue to be outsourced to cheaper third world labor centers such as China and India, while middle class America continues to shrink. Not because Indians and Chinese are better workers, just cheaper. In less than 50 years the United States, and much of Europe will resemble Eastern Europe after the fall of Communism; poor, broken, derelict, and without hope. America may be the richest nation now...but just you wait. The center of wealth will shift to Asia, which will become the dominant center of human civilization by mid- 21st century.<

Not going to happen. As China and India continue to prosper, their educated work force will demand more compensation. Further, China and to a somewhat lesser extent India, have governments that are not friendly to the small business person that really generates wealth. China especally can't really shake its command economy thinking. Not only that, but in agribusiness especally, China is getting a really bad rep as a undependable business partner. Asia generally, is not stable, nor does it have a dependable commercial legal system.

Bottom line. As automation becomes more and more a part of manufacturing, the expensive automated plants will be located in North America and Europe. Not nations that run a real risk of coming apart at the seams because of religions and political discord.



Rick C

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/24/2004 3:42:14 PM #

"The rich ... divide with the poor the produce of all their improvements. They are led by an invisible hand to make nearly the same distribution of the necessaries of life which would have been made, had the earth been divided into equal proportions among all its inhabitants." - Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations



RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Foo Fighter @ 10/24/2004 7:41:50 PM #
On paper, Communism is the model of utopian economics. Everyone truly is equal. Unfortunately it creates a society of equality by lowering the standard of living for everyone. In a Capitalist society It is "greed" that acts as the preverbal carrot at the end of the stick which pushes individuals towards a higher standard of living, or Wealth. And combined with the principles of Democracy, any man (or woman) can become rich if they strive to improve their skills and talents. Well, that is the basis of the American Dream anyway, which is now dead and buried...made obsolete by the global economy. Now laborers from western society must compete with those from third world economies. And that is a recipe for financial disaster.

I hate to sound like Henny Penny, but I believe we are witnessing the decline (and perhaps FALL) of western civilization. Asia is the new North America. High paying jobs will continue to be outsourced to cheaper third world labor centers such as China and India, while middle class America continues to shrink. Not because Indians and Chinese are better workers, just cheaper. In less than 50 years the United States, and much of Europe will resemble Eastern Europe after the fall of Communism; poor, broken, derelict, and without hope. America may be the richest nation now...but just you wait. The center of wealth will shift to Asia, which will become the dominant center of human civilization by mid- 21st century.

Global economics doesn't work.

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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
svrontis @ 10/24/2004 8:55:14 PM #
> Communism is the model of utopian economics

That is the most insane statement that I have ever seen posted on PIC.

Do you have any idea how many TENS OF MILLIONS of people where killed by their communist dictators last century? What sort of utopia kills it's own people?

Further, the whole system of production and distribution under communism has nothing whatsoever to do with economics. It seeks to ignore the fundamental laws of economics, like supply and demand. How it allegedly works is that you produce just enough so that you are not shot by your overseer and consume as much as you can obtain.

Never forget that the mighty USSR (who stood poised to annihilate us all with their nuclear arsenal) was shattered because they couldn't even feed and cloth the workers who they ostensibly represented.

Foo, I would be very grateful if, in future, you restrict your comments to tech issues and not bother us ever again by your innane views on economics.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/24/2004 9:34:38 PM #

Show me a man who is pessimistic on the future of America and I'll show you a loser.



RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Token User @ 10/24/2004 9:39:39 PM #
Show me a man who is pessimistic on the future of America and I'll show you a loser.
Dick Cheney ... its all doom and gloom. At least Bush puts an upbeat spin on it.

Technology will not save the USA. Only people getting out and voting will. If technology used by cavasseers (for either party) helps them reach more of the population, and encourages more people to exercise their democratic rights - then perhaps technology will save the USA. Make your vote count - you don't get the right to bitch and moan if you don't.

DISCLAIMER: Yes. I am a foreign national living and working in the United States ... as is my wife. Stepping beyond the borders of the USA, and as a foreigner choosing to live here, you get asked "Why?" all the time. While there is still a healthy respect for the the general US population, there is little love for the US government. I know who I'd vote for - but that doesn't matter, just make your own voice heard, we can disagree later :)


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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/24/2004 9:52:14 PM #

>"Dick Cheney ... its all doom and gloom. At least Bush puts an upbeat spin on it."

What in the hell are you talking about??? It's the Liberals/Democrats who demagog with doom and gloom and class-warfare. It's obvious by your post that you never listened to any of Cheney's speeches or interviews - just the media's spin. If you miss your beloved socialist government so much, please don't let the door hit your azz on the way out. Don't come here to live off of our goodwill and then criticize our government on our soil.



RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Foo Fighter @ 10/24/2004 9:53:27 PM #
>> "Do you have any idea how many TENS OF MILLIONS of people where killed by their communist dictators last century? What sort of utopia kills it's own people?"

Do you not know how to read? I said on paper. Meaning the philosophy of Communism, and what it strives to achieve.

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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Sleuth255 @ 10/24/2004 10:07:03 PM #
The problem with communism is that not everybody wants to be the same.

The last election was decided by the supreme court if I remember correctly and this election may well be decided by lawyers.

Yep. Western civilization may well be dead.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Foo Fighter @ 10/24/2004 10:24:52 PM #
The problem with Communism is that it strips away one key element that spurs innovation and improvement; the incentive to earn more money. Without that, the entire economic system cannot stand, and this above all else is why Communism doesn't work. Imagine if everyone earned the same income. That being the case, what would be my incentive to go onto College, become a doctor, etc., if I earn as much as a garbageman?

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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Token User @ 10/25/2004 9:07:20 AM #
What in the hell are you talking about??? It's the Liberals/Democrats who demagog with doom and gloom and class-warfare. It's obvious by your post that you never listened to any of Cheney's speeches or interviews - just the media's spin.

Turn off the radio. Thats right, Rush Limbaugh is a great speaker, but biased as well. My comment was based on the Cheney interview of September 8 (?) that had him state that if Kerry were elected then there would be an even higher probability of attack on the USA. There's the upbeat message we love to hear from someone that ignored the "Bin Laden is a threat" memos from the CIA ...

You were pretty smart in recognising that I come from a "socialist" country - those high taxes pay for education, medical services, and equal levels of law enforcement whereever you live in the country. That education means that rather than accepting blindly "facts" as they are presented, we research, listen to both sides of an argument, and can question.

If you miss your beloved socialist government so much, please don't let the door hit your azz on the way out. Don't come here to live off of our goodwill and then criticize our government on our soil.

Despite Bush continually falling back on Poland as the third member of the "Coalition of the Willing", it is in fact USA, United Kindom, and Australia that are the primary contributers.

Check this link out - http://makeashorterlink.com/?M1EE61B99

9/11 didn't only kill Americans you red necked wanker. Crawl out from under your rock, open your eyes, look at facts from both sides of the street. Everyone puts their own spin on it. Make you own decision. I just hope your mother lets you out of the basement long enough to go out and vote.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
mikecane @ 10/26/2004 8:22:18 AM #
If any of you want REAL change, vote Nader. Send a message that you're not sheep.

Greed Will Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/26/2004 11:26:06 AM #

"The point is, ladies and gentleman, is that Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms - greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge - has marked the upward surge of mankind. And Greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much."

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechwallstreet.html



RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Token User @ 10/26/2004 11:36:45 AM #
"Thier heads were flat, their eyes were dull ... they had no brains at all." - CJ Dennis

Equally relevant.

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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
mikecane @ 10/26/2004 1:49:12 PM #
To quote Dan Ackroyd: Gekko, you ignorant slut!

[. . .] Among illiterates money is regarded as the measuring rod for all things: for friendship, goodness, education, power, love. [. . .] [Auto-da-Fé - Elias Canetti; pg. 121]


RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
e_tellurian @ 10/26/2004 4:24:29 PM #
Is innovation the nucleus of a democracy? Is technology one of many forms of innovation?

Can technology used responsibly enhance our democratic freedom(s) thus save the freedom(s) that makes North America so innovative?

We can build anything let's build for peace and democratic prosperity too.

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/26/2004 6:48:18 PM #

Socialists are parasites. Go home.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/26/2004 6:49:13 PM #

Anybody who tells you that money is the root of all evil, doesn't f*****g have any.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
mikecane @ 10/26/2004 6:57:47 PM #
This from someone who believes -- or at least publicly stated -- that divine intervention led to Bush being our President? Well *God* says greed is bad. Burn in hell, you heathen dog.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
svrontis @ 10/26/2004 9:35:50 PM #
> Do you not know how to read? I said on paper. Meaning the philosophy of Communism, and what it strives to achieve.

As it happens, I do know how to read. I'm good at it. And being good at it, I do a lot of it. Not fiction, but books on history, mathematics, economics, philosophy, etc.

From my reading, I know that communism is not system of economics or a philosophy (as you put it). It is a polemic. It is series of political slogans, which are designed to exploit the feeble-minded by appealing to their weaknesses.

Let me explain this in a way that even you can understand -

By promising something for nothing, certain politicians seek to obtain power. They promise a 'worker's paradise', but only so as to secure power for themselves. And once they have that power, they apply it to achieve their own corrupt ends. They do this, without any legal or moral restraint, even to the point of destroying the hopes (and lives) of the people who were stupid enough to support them in the first place. They are accountable to nobody. Megalomania always gets the better of them. The destruction they cause is, to them, an expression of their power (and so, they regard it as it is a good thing). They proudly call this a 'dictatorship of the proleriat' but, in reality, it is just plain old tyranny.

There are many examples of this phenomenon in the tragic history of the last century.

Next time you are at a fashionable dinner party (enjoying a cheeky little Chardonnay, no doubt) and you feel the need to spout off on your ridiculous notions on communism, just spare a thought for the countless numbers of people who have starved to death in the name of what you hold so dear.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
acidreflux @ 10/26/2004 9:57:20 PM #
actually the quote from the Bible is: THE LOVE of money is the root of all evil." If this is the quote that you were referring to.
RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Token User @ 10/26/2004 9:59:03 PM #
Socialists are parasites. Go home.

You could learn a lot about the world if you left your Mom's basement sometimes.

FWIW - Australia (more correctly the "Commonwealth of Australia" is democratic monarchy. Its system of government is a hybrid of the Westminster system (lower house being a "House of Representatives" like in the UK) and the US Senatorial system (upper house being elected "Senators" like in the US). The ruling party (elections held a month ago) is currently the Liberal Party which contradictory to the US idea of Liberal is actually the conservative party, and more aligned to the Republicans in the US. Hence the nickname for Prime Minister John Howard being "Bonsai" - because he is a baby Bush.

Before you start talking about socialism, communism, etc., learn what they are. Socialists (France, Germany, Spain?) and coutries with socialist tendancies (Australia, Canada, Republic of Ireland) aren't too bad to live in ... taxes might seem high, but the cost of going to school and seeing a doctor are a lot lower. Oh thats right, how are your school loans and medical coverage going? We all pay some way. Personally, I appreciate the fact University (college) didn't cost much, and was subsidised by someone laying bricks for a living, I now earn enough that I am helping to pay for their pension. Swings and roundabouts - you end up paying somewhere along the line.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
acidreflux @ 10/26/2004 10:16:58 PM #
when i think about socialism and communistic ideologies, I am always reminded of a teacher in highschool who said "capitalism is the best working available system."
RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/26/2004 10:44:43 PM #
>"Socialists (France, Germany, Spain?) and coutries with socialist tendancies (Australia, Canada, Republic of Ireland) aren't too bad to live in"

GO HOME THEN. BYE BYE PARASITE.



Geeko: You just got "voted off" Palminfocenter. Buh-Bye!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/26/2004 10:59:30 PM #
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.



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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
svrontis @ 10/26/2004 11:19:32 PM #
> "Thier heads were flat, their eyes were dull ... they had no brains at all." - CJ Dennis

You mean Henry Lawson (not CJ Dennis) don't you?

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Token User @ 10/26/2004 11:39:27 PM #
Actually we're both wrong - "The Man from Iron Bark" was Banjo Patterson :) Unfortunately there is no "edit" button for posts otherwise I'd have corrected it :D

Man From Iron Bark: http://www.banjo.bizhosting.com/showpoem_14.htm


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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
svrontis @ 10/27/2004 12:30:41 AM #
You're right. My apologies.

"Impressive" ~ DV

Well try to BEAT this quote, nerdboyz
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/27/2004 2:51:42 AM #
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Beating your quote
svrontis @ 10/27/2004 4:14:46 AM #
OK, how about this-

"Stupid is as stupid does, Ma'am"
- Forrest Gump

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
justauser @ 10/27/2004 5:31:16 AM #
Ah yanks. Power, ignorance and arrogance - such a wonderful combination. How's that working for them? Let me just tune into CNN ... WHAT THE!?!?!?!

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
mikecane @ 10/27/2004 8:55:11 AM #
Oh, you're all in for a treat, you foreigners. Just wait until "Team America" opens in your country! Hah!

I'll see your quote and raise you a Bushism ...
Token User @ 10/27/2004 10:32:49 AM #
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

WTF was that supposed to mean? Oh yeah, umm technology related post ... ummm, I used Google to find the exact quote.

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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
rsc1000 @ 10/27/2004 1:32:50 PM #
>>By promising something for nothing, certain politicians seek to obtain power..

>>... And once they have that power, they apply it to achieve their own corrupt ends. They do this, without any legal or moral restraint, even to the point of destroying the hopes (and lives) of the people who were stupid enough to support them in the first place.

Wow - a description Geaorge W. Bush!

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
rcartwright @ 10/28/2004 1:10:27 AM #
RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
rsc1000 @ 10/27/2004 1:32:50 PM

>>By promising something for nothing, certain politicians seek to obtain power..

>>... And once they have that power, they apply it to achieve their own corrupt ends. They do this, without any legal or moral restraint, even to the point of destroying the hopes (and lives) of the people who were stupid enough to support them in the first place.

Wow - a description Geaore W. Bush!

Actually, Bill Clinton. A Yankee Democrat like Kerry does not have the charm that a Southern Democrat such as Clinton has that lets him pick your pocket and make you feel good about being robbed.

Rick C

This political yapping is getting old
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/28/2004 2:31:23 AM #
Actually, Bill Clinton. A Yankee Democrat like Kerry does not have the charm that a Southern Democrat such as Clinton has that lets him pick your pocket and make you feel good about being robbed.

Besides his inability to keep his genitalia out of the mouths of his interns, Mr. Clinton was probably the best president the United States has had in at least the past 40 years. And his wife would likely make an even better president once Americans are ready for a female leader (probably never given the fact that based on recent polls approximately 50% of Americans are idiots). The number of dumba$$ yokels in America (especially in the South) is quite remarkable, and at times it's difficult to believe how much positive influence Americans have made on the world (humanitarian aid, inventions, stopping dictatorships, etc.).

Face it: Mr. Bush has very limited intellect and was still elected President of these United States. The leader of the Free World is an imbecile. But it doesn't really matter, since President Cheney and Co. are really the ones running the country. Just as the country functioned OK for several years with a president suffering from clinically obvious Alzheimer Disease (Mr. Reagan) it doesn't really matter who the "official" President is.

Mr. Kerry appears somewhat inept and Mr. Nader is a megalomaniac who was largely responsible for Mr. Bush's "win" in 2000. Who cares? Let's get back to more important issues like the Tungsten 5 not having Wi-Fi and leave the political analysis to people like Dan Rather.

If you want to get serious and make a difference in the world, all those yapping here (Democrat, Republican, Hippie, etc.) should S T F U, get off their a$$es and volunteer to help others in need in their local communities. Doing so would quickly make a difference in people's lives. Posting self righteous political "commentary" to PIC won't*.

*Those who have posted comments tongue in cheek are excused. All two of you.





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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
ssnider @ 10/28/2004 10:20:43 AM #
Let me guess you think you are one of the two mentioned in your post.

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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
mikecane @ 10/28/2004 2:07:33 PM #
>>>Mr. Clinton was probably the best president the United States has had in at least the past 40 years

-- as if *you* have even existed for *half* that timespan.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/28/2004 11:50:00 PM #
Let me guess you think you are one of the two mentioned in your post.

Geeko is one. Ask your Mommy to tell you who the other one is.




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WARNING: Political rant enclosed!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/28/2004 11:51:21 PM #
If you want to get serious and make a difference in the world, all those yapping here (Democrat, Republican, Hippie, etc.) should S T F U, get off their a$$es and volunteer to help others in need in their local communities. Doing so would quickly make a difference in people's lives. Posting self righteous political "commentary" to PIC won't*.




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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
rcartwright @ 10/30/2004 1:58:07 AM #
Voice of "reason"

I will let your comments pass as you are not an American and thus really can't have a clue as to our politics and how a thread on PDAs can get so off topic. Likewise, I let the rest pass for similar reasons. But I am curious as to how you "Know" that the rest of us, in addition to real jobs, and posting on PIC don't also "volunteer to help others in need in their local communities. " Talk about arrogence...

Rick C

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Strider_mt2k @ 10/30/2004 8:42:56 AM #
I choose thought.



Why Americans are perceived to be ignorant yokels:
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/30/2004 3:55:09 PM #
Voice of "reason"

I will let your comments pass as you are not an American and thus really can't have a clue as to our politics and how a thread on PDAs can get so off topic. Likewise, I let the rest pass for similar reasons. But I am curious as to how you "Know" that the rest of us, in addition to real jobs, and posting on PIC don't also "volunteer to help others in need in their local communities. " Talk about arrogence...

Rick C


Rico, that's very generous of you to "let [my] comments pass". I'll count my blessings that Good 'Ole Rico "let [my] comments pass". Are you sure that I'm not an American? Remember, not all Americans lack insight. The need to post fevered political rantings to a PDA site is not unique to Americans, just as stupidity is not unique to Americans. It's interesting to note, though, that the majority of the inflammatory, rude , ignorant posts here appear to have come from Americans. Hmmmmmm....

I don't know (or care) what you do in your spare time. But I seriously doubt that many people compassionate enough to spend their free time volunteering helping others would post the type of nonsense posted earlier in this thread. I suspspect you're an American that lives in a southern state and has never lived outside the USA. If you only realized why so many around the world perceive Americans to be arrogent [sic] a$$es, maybe you'd become a better person. Maybe.

Take care, Rico.

XOXOXO

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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
rcartwright @ 10/30/2004 8:15:45 PM #

"vor"

Lets take this in order,

First-I think you have mentioned in prior posts that you are not an American. Also, you claim to be from Vanuatu, which appears to be a collection of islands of about 12,200 sq. km and population of 202,000. In other words significantly smaller than the county I live in.

Second- "The need to post fevered political rantings to a PDA site is not unique to Americans, just as stupidity is not unique to Americans." Yes, you prove that point very well.

Third-" It's interesting to note, though, that the majority of the inflammatory, rude , ignorant posts here appear to have come from Americans. Hmmmmmm...." Its the end of a Presidential race, "inflammatory, rude , ignorant" is what you get this close to the election. Americans take that in stride.

Fourth- "I don't know (or care) what you do in your spare time." Thank you for admitting that your prior plea for public service was merely pompous hypocrisy.

Fifth- "But I seriously doubt that many people compassionate enough to spend their free time volunteering helping others would post the type of nonsense posted earlier in this thread."
Your entitled to your opinion. Of course, you put me in mind of a manager at Wal-Mart who tried to give the bum's rush to this scruffy old guy who was poking around. The guy was Sam Walton, and the only one who went out the door was the ex-manager with a pink slip. Looks can be deceiving.

Sixth-" I suspspect you're an American that lives in a southern state" While some would say that "american" and "Sourthern state" are an oxymorn, yes I am from Tennessee.

Seventh-"... and has never lived outside the USA." Ah, you were doing so well, but you are wrong there.

Eighth-" If you only realized why so many around the world perceive Americans to be arrogent [sic] a$$es, maybe you'd become a better person. Maybe." Thank you for your concern. I always strive to be a better person. Its part of the reason that I have tried to respond to your rant with reason and courtesy. As to world opinion, well they are entitled to it.



Rick C

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/30/2004 9:49:11 PM #
Rico,

Lets take this in order,

First-I think you have mentioned in prior posts that you are not an American. Also, you claim to be from Vanuatu, which appears to be a collection of islands of about 12,200 sq. km and population of 202,000. In other words significantly smaller than the county I live in.

When did I say I wasn't American, ol' buddy? And when did I tell you I was from the island where that brilliant documenary, Survivor, was recently filmed? Huh? When, Rico? When? 'Xplain it to me, Rico. Rrrrrico Suave. Rrrrrrico Smooth.

Second- "The need to post fevered political rantings to a PDA site is not unique to Americans, just as stupidity is not unique to Americans." Yes, you prove that point very well.

If only I wasn't American, Rico...

Third-" It's interesting to note, though, that the majority of the inflammatory, rude , ignorant posts here appear to have come from Americans. Hmmmmmm...." Its the end of a Presidential race, "inflammatory, rude , ignorant" is what you get this close to the election. Americans take that in stride.

Yes, it's perfectly acceptable to be loud, boorish, and generally obnoxious because it's the end of a presidential race. When the election is over you can use Remembrance Day as an excuse to behave like idiots. Then Christmas and Hanukkah will be your excuse to annoy the rest of the world. Then New Year's Day. Then Groundhog Day. Then...

Fourth- "I don't know (or care) what you do in your spare time." Thank you for admitting that your prior plea for public service was merely pompous hypocrisy.

Plea for public service? Oh dear.

Fifth- "But I seriously doubt that many people compassionate enough to spend their free time volunteering helping others would post the type of nonsense posted earlier in this thread."
Your entitled to your opinion. Of course, you put me in mind of a manager at Wal-Mart who tried to give the bum's rush to this scruffy old guy who was poking around. The guy was Sam Walton, and the only one who went out the door was the ex-manager with a pink slip. Looks can be deceiving.

WTF?

Sixth-" I suspspect you're an American that lives in a southern state" While some would say that "american" and "Sourthern state" are an oxymorn, yes I am from Tennessee.

Your banjo pickin' roots are apparent.

Seventh-"... and has never lived outside the USA." Ah, you were doing so well, but you are wrong there.

Sorry, Rico, but your Spring Break drunken fratboy trip to Tijuana doesn't count as living outside the USA.

Eighth-" If you only realized why so many around the world perceive Americans to be arrogent [sic] a$$es, maybe you'd become a better person. Maybe." Thank you for your concern. I always strive to be a better person. Its part of the reason that I have tried to respond to your rant with reason and courtesy. As to world opinion, well they are entitled to it.

Nice to see you being so considerate. Are you fighting the urge to instead debate with your N.R.A.-issue Uzi in a "brave" drive by? God bless Charlton Heston and may he rest in peace(s).

Have a seat, Rico. You just got bum rushed. Maybe you should talk to your fellow hick, Sammy and see how to work your issues out.


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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
rcartwright @ 10/30/2004 11:46:05 PM #
God, I don't know why I bother but...
RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/30/2004 9:49:11 PM

Rico,

Lets take this in order,

First-I think you have mentioned in prior posts that you are not an American. Also, you claim to be from Vanuatu, which appears to be a collection of islands of about 12,200 sq. km and population of 202,000. In other words significantly smaller than the county I live in.

When did I say I wasn't American, ol' buddy? And when did I tell you I was from the island where that brilliant documenary, Survivor, was recently filmed? Huh? When, Rico? When? 'Xplain it to me, Rico. Rrrrrico Suave. Rrrrrrico Smooth.

Its in your PIC Profile. Of course, since I live in the real world and as a rule don't watch TV, I missed Survivor.

Second- "The need to post fevered political ranting to a PDA site is not unique to Americans, just as stupidity is not unique to Americans." Yes, you prove that point very well.

If only I wasn't American, Rico...

Then you do not have any excuse for being a prig.

Third-" It's interesting to note, though, that the majority of the inflammatory, rude , ignorant posts here appear to have come from Americans. Hmmmmmm...." It’s the end of a Presidential race, "inflammatory, rude , ignorant" is what you get this close to the election. Americans take that in stride.

Yes, it's perfectly acceptable to be loud, boorish, and generally obnoxious because it's the end of a presidential race. When the election is over you can use Remembrance Day as an excuse to behave like idiots. Then Christmas and Hanukkah will be your excuse to annoy the rest of the world. Then New Year's Day. Then Groundhog Day. Then...

"Remembrance Day?" Anyway see #2 above.

Fourth- "I don't know (or care) what you do in your spare time." Thank you for admitting that your prior plea for public service was merely pompous hypocrisy.

Plea for public service? Oh dear.

I, for about a nanosecond, thought you had been serious in your post. Then I figured you were being sophomoric. Glad to see I was right.

Fifth- "But I seriously doubt that many people compassionate enough to spend their free time volunteering helping others would post the type of nonsense posted earlier in this thread."
Your entitled to your opinion. Of course, you put me in mind of a manager at Wal-Mart who tried to give the bum's rush to this scruffy old guy who was poking around. The guy was Sam Walton, and the only one who went out the door was the ex-manager with a pink slip. Looks can be deceiving.

WTF?

Just because you think (and alas I use the word loosely in connection with you at this point) based on your assumptions about the rightness or wrongness of individual posters opinions, that the posters on PIC are or not public spirited. Sam Walton before he died was famous for making unannounced visits to his stores, dressed shall we say in a casual fashion and figured out how Joe Average was treated at the store. I hope that was simple enough for you.

Sixth-" I suspspect you're an American that lives in a southern state" While some would say that "American" and "Southern state" are an oxymoron, yes I am from Tennessee.

Your banjo pickin' roots are apparent. Sorry, I only play the stereo. But your really should cover your racist roots.

Seventh-"... and has never lived outside the USA." Ah, you were doing so well, but you are wrong there.

Sorry, Rico, but your Spring Break drunken fratboy trip to Tijuana doesn't count as living outside the USA.

Wrong again, I have never been to Tijuana and was too busy working my way through college to go off on trips during college. Not that is really any of your business, but I have lived four places in two hemispheres.


Eighth-" If you only realized why so many around the world perceive Americans to be arrogent [sic] a$$es, maybe you'd become a better person. Maybe." Thank you for your concern. I always strive to be a better person. Its part of the reason that I have tried to respond to your rant with reason and courtesy. As to world opinion, well they are entitled to it.

Nice to see you being so considerate. Are you fighting the urge to instead debate with your N.R.A.-issue Uzi in a "brave" drive by? God bless Charlton Heston and may he rest in peace(s).

As a rule, I do not need an automatic weapon to engage in rational discussion. In Tennessee we only shoot game animals (in season), criminals and terrorists, and rabid dogs. Such as yourself. Usually with one shot.

Have a seat, Rico. You just got bum rushed. Maybe you should talk to your fellow hick, Sammy and see how to work your issues out.

You know, they have pills you can take for your delusional state.

By the way, this will be my last post to you on this. Since you seem incapable of discussion without resort to ad hominum attacks and racial and cultural slurs I see no point in continuing the discussion.

Rick C

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The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/31/2004 1:21:49 AM #
God, I don't know why I bother but...

Its in your PIC Profile. Of course, since I live in the real world and as a rule don't watch TV, I missed Survivor.

It's in my profile? Wow! Then I must "be from Vanuatu, which appears to be a collection of islands of about 12,200 sq. km and population of 202,000". Nice to see that like all good Americans you believe everything you read. What are you - like eight years old?

Then you do not have any excuse for being a prig.

Now that wasn't very nice, Rico.

"Remembrance Day?" Anyway see #2 above.

That was a clue for you to look beyond your border, Rico. But for all your pretence of being Cosmopolitan Rico Suave/Rico Smooth, you're nothing more than good ol' Chattanooga Rick.

I, for about a nanosecond, thought you had been serious in your post. Then I figured you were being sophomoric. Glad to see I was right.

It's scary how naive you are, Rico. And that you'll be allowed to vote next week.

Just because you think (and alas I use the word loosely in connection with you at this point) based on your assumptions about the rightness or wrongness of individual posters opinions, that the posters on PIC are or not public spirited. Sam Walton before he died was famous for making unannounced visits to his stores, dressed shall we say in a casual fashion and figured out how Joe Average was treated at the store. I hope that was simple enough for you.

This Sam Walton guy sounds like a menace to society. I hope some burly store manager eventually bum rushed his a$$. Permanently, if you get my drift.

Sorry, I only play the stereo. But your really should cover your racist roots.

Is "stereo" a type of banjo? And are banjo pickers a race now? An alien race, I presume. A tobacco chawin', spittin', Southern drawlin', banjo pickin' race.

Wrong again, I have never been to Tijuana and was too busy working my way through college to go off on trips during college. Not that is really any of your business, but I have lived four places in two hemispheres.

And when I was in college I walked to school. Uphill. Both ways. Barefoot. In the snow. In a tornado. Pulling an ox cart. With broken legs. Sorry, Rico, but growing up in trailer parks in Chattanooga and Memphis doesn't quite count as living in "four places in two hemispheres". Hint: to go to another hemisphere one actually has to cross the state line. Have you ever done that?

As a rule, I do not need an automatic weapon to engage in rational discussion. In Tennessee we only shoot game animals (in season), criminals and terrorists, and rabid dogs. Such as yourself. Usually with one shot.

Wow, Rico. You're scary. Really. Even scarier is the fact that you're allowed to vote to choose the President of the United States of America. And scariest of all is that America is full of people like you.

You know, they have pills you can take for your delusional state.

By the way, this will be my last post to you on this. Since you seem incapable of discussion without resort to ad hominum attacks and racial and cultural slurs I see no point in continuing the discussion.

Thanks for giving people around the world further insight into the American Mind, Rico. It's been quite revealing. I hope to run into you some time soon. Really. No, really.


TVoR




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You all look foolish.
Strider_mt2k @ 10/31/2004 4:26:33 AM #
Once again PalmInfocenter is reduced to PalmDaycareCenter.
-but over politics!

PDA nerds bashing it out over politics is the most entertaining thing that's been on here for a while.

Bummer.



RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Gekko @ 10/31/2004 10:59:59 AM #

voice - enough already. your posts are just childish and annoying.

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/31/2004 1:16:06 PM #
Geeko: S T F U.



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RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Strider_mt2k @ 10/31/2004 2:54:49 PM #
Now now guys!

You don't have to go to all that trouble to prove me right!

RE: Technology Will Not Save the USA
Token User @ 10/31/2004 11:11:00 PM #
Its like passing a car crash on the freeway - no matter how bad it is we can't help take a look.

1. Vanuatu is a beautiful country. Survivor is only just scrapping the surface. Think Hawaii without the annoying American tourists (you get annoying Australian and New Zealanders instead).
2. Nothing wrong with public service ...except some in here would call it "socialist", while others would refer to it as "appeasing a capitalist pang of conciousness". Eitherway, whether it is giving $10 to your local police DARE program so THEY can do they work for you, swinging a hammer with Habitate for Humanity, or paying your teneth on a Sunday morning ... doing something for others is a good thing.
3. Regardless whether you are a registered Republican, Democrat, or Green, if you didn't pre-poll, go out an vote on Tuesday.

... and take your PDA with you. Bejewelled 2 might be good way to waste time while waiting to get the "I voted" sticker.

(Gekko - nothing wrong with socialist society - except those capitalists that want to keep more of what they earn for themselves ;)
(TVoR - nothing wrong with capitalist society - except those damn socialists that keep wanting to give it away ;)


~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

Palminfocenter thread of the year?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/10/2004 5:49:53 AM #
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The Real Story

pda_xpert @ 10/28/2004 12:48:20 PM #
Amazing. Everybody missed it. The article was about...no, not the evil politicians... but surveys and presentations. What software was used, especially for the surveys? I'd really like to know a lot more about the handheld software, who developed it, which platform(s)it runs on, what Mac/PC programs (if any) it interfaces with...that sort of thing. I also wonder how much prior testing the software went through -- if it was quickly thrown together it could display some very inaccurate conclusions.
RE: The Real Story
Strider_mt2k @ 10/31/2004 4:37:08 AM #
I'm afraid it's way too late for that even-handed think-through-itism to take hold. ;)

They are quite out of control.

It's just a show now.

OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNING!!!

Gekko @ 11/3/2004 8:28:36 AM #

VIVA BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNING!!!
perdita @ 11/3/2004 8:37:33 AM #
...or NOT!

RE: OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNING!!!
mikecane @ 11/3/2004 9:54:40 AM #
To paraphrase that Reagan TV ad:

It's MOURNING in America!

(Hey, Gekko. You're like an unfixed tomcat. How many places have you sprayed with this post?)

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