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CNet Asia has published an interview with palmOne President Ed Colligan while on a recent business trip to Singapore. He talks about the recent alternative OS rumors, handheld and smartphone competition as well as palmOne's China situation.
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Shameful!

Gekko @ 11/12/2004 6:48:00 PM #

This guy has no shame!

"I think the Tungsten T5 is very creative and trying to change the way handheld computers are viewed, too. Most of them are glorified organizers. That's fine. We're trying to do something different here where we create a very high capacity device that will allow people to carry their most important digital information with them. I think that will be a new trend in handhelds, and we're starting that trend in motion."



RE: Shameful!
ptc @ 11/12/2004 7:27:41 PM #
Colligan seems a bit out of touch, no?

He probably doesn't even know the difference between the specs of the T3 and the T5... Sounds to me like he's only seen powerpoint presentations about his company's products and has never really used them on a daily basis...

RE: Shameful!
Gekko @ 11/12/2004 7:31:25 PM #

Glorified Organizer + USB Flash Drive = T5



RE: Shameful!
kevinbgood @ 11/12/2004 9:08:06 PM #
This is the type of political jargon I was talking about in another thread. Here is a guy who probably doesn't even use a Palm and acts as if he knows what is going on. Not to mention the load of noncommittal statements he made. This is the classic example of saying a bunch of things that mean nothing or completely the opposite. No admission. My money is on Palm launching a Windows Ce device in six months.


Addicted to Palm

RE: Shameful!
Admin @ 11/12/2004 9:55:20 PM #
Ed Colligan is definitely a palm os handheld user! I'm sure he is using the treo 650 now. He is the president of palmOne and was a member of the core team that invented the original palm pilot.
RE: Shameful!
svrontis @ 11/12/2004 9:56:41 PM #
Glorified Organizer + WiFi (but without USB Flash Drive) = Dell X50
RE: Shameful!
Ezra4no1 @ 11/13/2004 12:38:58 AM #
You know....
You can use a PDA and never really use it. So to say that Ed Colligan uses a PDA and that he helped designed the Treo says nothing to his ability of actually using the PDA. I'm sure Ed Colligan uses a Treo.. but I wonder if he uses it mostly as a phone and a simple To Do list like others who've only ever purchased the Zire 21?

Power users which I believe most of us are, since we go out of away to make the PDA a part of our life and come to websites and forums to talk about them uses PDA in a bit different way. If Ed Colligan really was a power user I believe there would a several things different about what Palm does release and in the directions they are heading in. True the have good sales with the simple models (the zire 21), but they could also have excellent sales on higher end models that target what many of the power users are looking for.

RE: Shameful!
AyDb @ 11/13/2004 4:15:09 AM #
"we create a very high capacity device that will allow people to carry their most important digital information with them. I think that will be a new trend in handhelds, and we're starting that trend in motion."

Gee, thanks for inventing flash memory Ed. I didn't realize that I wasn't already carrying around my most important digital information on my 128 MB of internal memory plus 512 MB worth of memory cards.

RE: Shameful!
Strider_mt2k @ 11/13/2004 5:22:46 AM #
I agree.
This guy is out of touch.

RE: Shameful!
dustbunny44 @ 11/13/2004 6:48:20 AM #
This guy has more history and background and knowledge of Palm and PDA devices than all of us here together. We can learn more by listening to what he has to say, if you agree or not, than by flaming him.

I'm sorry - it appears that these comment sections have devolved into really mindless whining and little useful insight. I'm tempted to ask "Who sent you?", but only from my experiences of a history of directed propaganda, not from immediate evidence.

Flame on.

RE: Shameful!
Gekko @ 11/13/2004 7:55:24 AM #

History and background and knowledge don't mean anything.

Tell me where the original inventor of the spreadsheet, word processor, internet browser, etc. are and how relevant they are today?

Colligan was in the right place at the right time back in 1995. It's better to be lucky than good.



RE: Shameful!
hkklife @ 11/13/2004 10:47:28 AM #
All of that functionality could be achieved by bundling the proper software or patching OS 5.2.x and tossing a freebie SD card into the box of a T3. I forsee the "big ram" p**sing match beginning now in handheld devices much the same way the mhz war was waged in the PC market for years and years. These execs think consumers will automatically buy whatever touts the largest amount of storage space/memory, regardless of its configuration.



RE: Shameful!
Gekko @ 11/13/2004 11:14:40 AM #

A built-in SD Card alone is a poor excuse for creativity and innovation.



RE: Shameful!
reverend_bel @ 11/13/2004 12:53:08 PM #
Alright, if this board has turned to just pointless bickering, lets have try and make some almost meaningful debate.

Let's say Mr Colligan here asked you:

What do you think should be in the next PalmOne lineup so that we actually give our customers what they want and maybe we make enough to feed the kiddies too?

All too often I hear people bitching about features (in anything, doesn't have to be PDAs) and completely ignoreing the fact that no company could afford to make that hardware and still stay in buisness (cough.. xbox.. cough) but anyway, here's my vote.

You can only upgrade current units, no creating new fleets of PDAs

-First up is the Zire 90

hardware inside is roughly the same as the 72

312 Mhz or so CPU, BT, maybe give it more ram if it's cheap at the moment.

now what's different is that it's got a 320 x 480 display and a decent 2MP camera.

this screen would be perfect for both taking and viewing pictures.

say this was the spring refesh, I'd say $300 - $350 retail would be fair.

-Second up is the Tungsten Cx

it's got a 400 - 600 mhz cpu behind it's 320 x 480 display along with WiFi and BT and 64 - 128 megs of ram. there's a cover that folds down (and can fold around to hide) that reveals a backlit keyboard.

depending on the guts, this could go for anywhere between $400 and $600, but this a

-last but not least is the the Tungsten T 5.5

exact same specs as the T5, but it's got WiFi and a voice recorder added.

$400 retail seems quite reasonable

The zire 31 seems to be a very good evolution and that line is on the right track, plus it turns out the Tungsten E2 is already out.

If those 3 models were on the market, I would defintly save up for a T-Cx, but I could also definatly recomond the other 2 units to people looking for other things in their PDAs.

so I pose to you guys:

What do you think should be in the next PalmOne lineup so that PalmOne actually give our customers what they want and maybe they make enough to feed their kiddies too?


RE: Shameful!
AyDb @ 11/13/2004 3:05:52 PM #
"What do you think should be in the next PalmOne lineup so that we actually give our customers what they want and maybe we make enough to feed the kiddies too?"

One: something midrange to compete with the X30s. T5ish styling with a few tweaks--microphone, power LED, vibrator, and power button. Loose the extra flash ROM and give it 64 MB RAM, Bluetooth, and WiFi. Everything else stays the same. MSRP $299.

Two: high end. 624 MHz processor, 64-128 MB RAM, Bluetooth, WiFi, dual card slots, and a removable battery. $399.

Three: The Treo 700. T650 design, plus WiFi, 64 MB RAM, and EvDO for the CDMA version. $650 without contract.

Somebody will doubtless say that those prices aren't reasonable. They are, because PocketPCs are doing those same things at the same prices. This is what PalmOne has to do to compete.

Presenting Palm's 2005 lineup
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/13/2004 3:06:08 PM #
so I pose to you guys:

What do you think should be in the next PalmOne lineup so that PalmOne actually give our [sic?] customers what they want and maybe they make enough to feed their kiddies too?

- First of all, if Palm had not paid out to its top 10 executives the $15 MILLION or so in bonuses they've already pocketed in the past year, maybe the kiddies wouldn't have to worry about where their next meal is coming from.

- Second, if you want a realistic, evolutionary (read: cheap) progression, here's my suggestion:

1) Zire 22 - 16 MB RAM, different color case, $79
2) Zire 32 - upgraded screen, different color case, $129
3) Zire 73 - 64 MB RAM, 2 megapixel camera, non-peeling case, $249
4) Tungsten E˛ - already released as Tungsten "5", $299
5) Tungsten 6 - T3 with 256 MB real RAM, dual expansion, improved battery, Wi-Fi + Bluetooth, $399. (An OLED screen would be nice, but Palm is too cheap to go this route.)
6) Tungsten C˛ - 128 MB real RAM, 320 x 480 screen, fold-out keyboard (two sided version in the manner of the Sony Ericsson P910), Bluetooth + WiFi, proper telephony/microphone for VoIP, $399
7) Treo 650 - $499

Actually, they should dump 1, lower the price of 2 to $99, and cut the prices the other proposed models by $50 if they want to keep selling PDAs. Between Sony leaving, sales slumping and Cobalt being essentially DOA, things are starting to look pretty grim for the PalmOS platform. Right now, the Treo 650 is the only hope we have left to prevent Palm from being "Netscaped" in 2005. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.




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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: Shameful!
TooMuch @ 11/13/2004 3:19:08 PM #
I have seen it served cold, fried, with bread, without bread and even shaped like gekkos...No matter how you serve it, bologna is bologna...and, Gekko you're full of it!

Yeah, let's believe that the #1 handheld company in the world (save me the prophesies of doom for the last 6 years) just happens to have a company president that doesn't personally leverage his product effectively! If I don't stop laughing, I'm going to throw up.

Look...If you want to criticize P1 products or lobby for improvements, so be it. But don't destroy your argument by serving up baloney.

(How 'bout a Hostess "Ding Dong" with that bologna for dessert?)

RE: Shameful!
vesther @ 11/13/2004 3:40:42 PM #
"What do you think should be in the next PalmOne lineup so that we actually give our customers what they want and maybe we make enough to feed the kiddies too?"

THE ZIRE LINE

First up is the Zire 32, with a miniature (but potent) 320x320 Screen Display, Multi-Connector, 32MB RAM, Single SD/MMC Slot. 3.5" Stereo Jack. Give it a Four-Button, 5-Way Navigator Layout ala Zire 72. Intel PXA270 Processor. Should supercede the Zire 31, $150.

Second would be the Zire 22. 32MB RAM, Intel PXA270 Processor, BW Display, Backlight, Multi-Connector, Single SD/MMC Slot, 3.5 Stereo Jack. Give Zire 22 the same button layout ala Zire 72. $100.

Zire 73. I would refine the 1.3MP Camera a bit so that the camera itself would work as well as some high-end 1.3MP Cameras in the past. Multi-Connector, same form factor as with the Zire 72, but I would like to see a rigid and very rugged housing for increased durability. Oh, and give it a camera lens cover to protect the camera as well. Dual-SD/MMC Expansion. Ability to choose between Bluetooth 2.0 Compliance, Wi-Fi 802.11g Certification, or both. Intel PXA270 Processor. 64MB RAM. Hi-Res Plus Display with Active Input. Vibrate Feature with Voice Recording and Charge Indicator that can tell whether or not the handheld is charged fully. $275 starting price, $350 high-end price.

Zire 81. I definitely want to see a high-end Zire for consumers who are true enthusiasts to the Palm Community. My requirements:

--Form Factor of the palm M515 Handheld, updated and refreshed for palmOne's presence.
--Eight-Button Layout with 9-Way Navigator
--Hi-Res Plus Screen (480x640 Screen Optional)
--Standard Bluetooth 2.0 Compliance
--Standard Wi-Fi 802.11g Certification
--Intel PXA270 Processor at 416MHz
--128MB RAM
--48MB Flash ROM
--Super Rugged Design for Durability
--Vibration Feature
--Charge/Wireless Usage Indication Feature
--Voice Recording
--Dual SD/MMC Expansion
--Multi Connector
--Optional 2.0 Megapixel Camera
Standard Model: $299 Add $100 for the 2.0 Megapixel Camera, $75 for the 480x640 Screen.

Hopefully, all color Zires will deploy OLED Displays and 262K Colors instead. The Zire 22 MUST have a backlight.

I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!

RE: Shameful!
vesther @ 11/13/2004 4:07:34 PM #
"What do you think should be in the next PalmOne lineup so that we actually give our customers what they want and maybe we make enough to feed the kiddies too?"

AS FOR THE TUNGSTEN LINE

First, the Tungsten E2. This will be the TRUE sequel to the Tungsten E, which will have the same form factor as with the Palm M130 from a long time ago, but refreshed to PalmOne's presence. This will be the successor to the Tungsten E with the following:

* Rugged, Durable Housing
* Eight-Button, 9-Way Navigator Layout
* 320x480 Hi-Res Plus OLED Display with 262K Colors
* 64MB RAM
* 32MB Flash ROM
* Multiconnector
* 312MHz Intel PXA270
* Palm OS Cobalt
* Single SD/MMC Slot
* Charge Indicator and Vibrate on Alarm, with Charge Indicator showing whether or not the handheld is fully charged.
* Bluetooth 2.0 Compliance and Wi-Fi 802.11g should be a built-to-order option.
$175 for the base model, add $45 for Bluetooth 2.0 compliance, $50 for Wi-Fi 802.11g Certification. Add $100 for 480x640 OLED Display. Add $100 for a built-in Internal 256MB Internal Drive.

TUNGSTEN T7. I think 6 is also an unlucky number in Asian Nations, so I'm gonna assume the Tungsten T7. I'm hoping of these following features:
* Rugged, Durable Housing based on the Tungsten T5
* Eight-Button, 9-Way Navigator Layout
* Removable Battery
* Voice Recorder, Vibrate on Alarm, and Charge Indicator indicating handheld is fully charged.
* Multi Connector with Dual SD/MMC Expansion
* 128MB RAM
* 48MB Flash ROM
* Intel PXA270 Processor at 416MHz
* 320x480 OLED Display with 262K Color
* Standard Bluetooth 2.0 Compliance
* Standard Wi-Fi 802.11g Certification
* Optional Internal 256MB Jump Drive Function--Add $100
* Palm OS Cobalt Standard
* 480x640 OLED Display with 262K Color Upgrade for only $50
Base Price: $400

Tungsten C2
* Multi Connector with Dual SD/MMC Expansion
* 256MB Non-Volatile RAM
* 64MB Flash ROM
* Palm OS Cobalt Standard
* Standard Bluetooth 2.0 Compliance
* Standard Wi-Fi 802.11g Certification
* Intel PXA270 at 624 MHz
* Standard 480x640 OLED Display with 262K Color and Active Input
* Based on the Palm i705 Form Factor but updated for palmOne's presence.
* Removable Battery
* Voice Recording, Charge Indicators, and Stereo Jack plus Vibrate on Alarm
* Eight-Button, 9-Way Navigator Layout
* Rugged Housing
Likely a $499 USD Handheld, Add a 256MB Internal Jump Drive for $75 more.

I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!

RE: Shameful!
twalk @ 11/13/2004 5:16:42 PM #
"What do you think should be in the next PalmOne lineup so that we actually give our customers what they want and maybe we make enough to feed the kiddies too?"

About everyone responding to this is merely making incremental improvements. I seriously doubt that is going to do it. Some more market targeting is needed here, while keeping in mind the limited resources P1 has.

Tungsten (businees/high-end):

Stop production of all current ones (E/T3/T5/C), let the channel run out. Only make one replacement, a T7 that's the same as the T5, but has PalmOS6, wifi, and a voice recorder, get rid of IR. Create a rfid sd card for it. $400. Basically gets even with PPCs.

Zire (consumer/mid-range):

Stop production of the current ones (21/31/72), let the channel run out. The low end is completely saturated, so only make one mid-range device. Start with a 72 base, get rid of IR and BT, make the camera 3MP w/ flash, 320x320 screen, get rid of the graffiti area, increase the battery size, add wifi, 64M ram, include movie conversion software. To make up for no graffiti area, add 2 buttons, one for menu/launcher selection, the other for a popup graffiti/KB area. $300. Now you've got a good camera + mp3 player + pda + portable movie player + etc, instead of the halfway device the 72 is.

Zire (low-end):

This area is saturated, stop production of everything here.

treo:

The low-end is vital here. Make a treo 500 within the fairly standard flip cell phone case that has a 176x192 screen (160x160 for standard palm program resolution. Make the screen a touch screen, throw out the graffiti area, use the extra space at the bottom for a button row (like a T3), 16M ram, sell for $200 without a contract, move down to $150 w/o contract in 6mo.

school:

A new line here, targeting schools. These pdas will include a good selection of educational software, WP, SS, calculator, and wireless printing software. They have no IR or BT, but have wifi. Only 2 buttons (menu/launcher & graffiti/KB popup) and an up/down toggle, no graffiti area. Use one full size usb port for syncing/charging/external KB connection/flash drives (no sd slot). Larger than typical batteries. Basically super cheap wifi handhelds. $100 for 160x160 monochrome, $150 for 160x160 color, $200 for 320x320 color. Folding usb KB for $50. Sell by commission from school book publisher sales agents.



Palm 2005: Just 2 PDA + 2 smartphones? No, that 's too smart
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/13/2004 6:35:34 PM #
The most important thing Palm could do to boost the PalmOS platform is release a basic (32 MB RAM, Bluetooth, no SD card, no keyboard, normal sized) cellphone for less than $200. This could kickstart the platform by bringing in hundreds of thousands of casual users that are mainly looking for a phone but would also like some basic PIM features.

As I've posted elsewhere, cutting the lineup down to just 2 PDAs and 2 smartphones would make a lot of sense, but Palm's leadership would never do anything that bold. They look at cutting down on the number of models as showing the platform is on its deathbed. In reality, concentrating Palm's dwindling resources on less models would prolong the company's existence, but those extra years would probably be spent of life support.



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: Shameful!
Foo Fighter @ 11/13/2004 6:58:36 PM #
>> "The most important thing Palm could do to boost the PalmOS platform is release a basic (32 MB RAM, Bluetooth, no SD card, no keyboard, normal sized) cellphone for less than $200."

Agreed. I posted an article about this on my site:

http://www.pocketfactory.com/archives/2004/08/palmsource_miss.php

PalmSource needs to develop an OS that allows licensees to compete against mainstream Smartphones from Nokia and Sony-Ericsson, which is where the real meat and potato sales are. High-end PDA/Phone hybrids ($400+)are great, but the vast majority of mobile phone users will never own such products. It's time for PalmOS to grow up and end the strict PDA-centric focus. Even Microsoft knows it can't just rely on Pocket PC phone hybrids to grow share. Too bad MS Smartphones are way too expensive for the average user because they have the right formula.

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Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com
Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com

Palm: Please put PalmOS on a BASIC smartphone ASAP
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/13/2004 8:29:10 PM #
Agreed. I posted an article about this on my site:

http://www.pocketfactory.com/archives/2004/08/palmsource_miss.php

PalmSource needs to develop an OS that allows licensees to compete against mainstream Smartphones from Nokia and Sony-Ericsson, which is where the real meat and potato sales are. High-end PDA/Phone hybrids ($400+)are great, but the vast majority of mobile phone users will never own such products. It's time for PalmOS to grow up and end the strict PDA-centric focus. Even Microsoft knows it can't just rely on Pocket PC phone hybrids to grow share. Too bad MS Smartphones are way too expensive for the average user because they have the right formula.

That's an excellent article, Kent. Someone should send a copy of it to the people at PalmSource and PalmOne that make the decisions on where the platform is headed. Palm needs to wake up: just like the market for pure PDAs was limited, Treo 600/650 style smartphones will NEVER achieve high market penetration. They are simply too big, too expensive and too complex. On the other hand, the potential market for a normal sized phone that does Palm's superb PIM and can also run a few other PalmOS apps is almost unlimited. Palm should be concentrating on saturating the market with their OS by pumping out 4 ounce BASIC smartphones the size and shape of the Sony Ericsson T630, so that EVERYONE becomes aware of what PalmOS can do. Most of the work needed to turn PalmOS into a workable smartphone OS has already been done. The Treo 600 5 way navigator would solve most problems that not having a touchscreen presents. (If you've ever owned a Treo 600 you'll know how slick the 5 way navigator setup is. Being able to access essentially all menus and functions of the phone with a single finger is the most amazing bit of User Interface design I've ever seen in any electronic equipment I've used.) Palm could also add T9 for text entry - I still have my PalmOS version of T9 from 1999 or 2000 and it worked pretty well on ancient hardware.

Palm's failure to push PalmOS to its full potential is difficult to understand. It became obvious over two years ago that traditional PDAs weren't going to take off, so it's not like they didn't have any warning. The fact that Palm still hasn't released a PalmOS-powered regular cellphone or micro laptop suggests Palm lacks the leadership necessary to survive in a changing environment. Palm's inability to experiment and evolve has resulted in a stagnant Palm Economy.

PalmOS may end up like that bright kid you remember from high school that fell in with the wrong crowd, dropped out of school and in the end never amounted to anything. What a waste.



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: Shameful!
AyDb @ 11/13/2004 10:37:02 PM #
"MS Smartphones ... have the right formula."

/me slowly backs away from the space alien

RE: Shameful!
Gekko @ 11/14/2004 8:45:58 AM #

PalmOne wants to sell HIGH MARGIN EXPENSIVE TREOS.

PalmSource wants to sell lots of PalmOS licenses.

There is some conflict because HIGH MARGIN EXPENSIVE typically means smaller sales volume. HIGH MARGIN device sales helps the hardware-maker and hurts the OS-maker. The OS-Maker wants to get his OS out there in the masses to become the standard. PalmSource is at the mercy of PalmOne's desire/ability to pump out cheap phones.

And don't get me started on Copland/Cobalt.



RE: Shameful!
Rome @ 11/14/2004 12:16:56 PM #
I will put in my 2 cents on what P1 will release/drop after the New Year, not necessarily what I want to see:

Zire 21 - this will go the way of black and white TV
Zire 31 - Will replace 21 as the entry level model with a lower retail price.
Zire 72 - Will be updated with new case and color choices. Perhaps some slight modification on hardware spec as well...more ram, faster processor etc.
Zire 81 - New Cobalt OS-based model with never-seen-before multimedia capabilities. Will probably see the same Flash memory technology currently available on the T5. Wifi and BT 2.0 standard.

Tungsten E - Probably incremental upgrade of ram amount, newer OS and faster processor. Or perhaps just lower prices.
Tungsten T5 - Unchanged
Tungsten C2 - Cobalt OS-based PDA with built-in keyboard, wifi, BT 2.0, and VOIP capabilities. Perhaps the same T5 flash memory setup.

Treo 400 - Entry-level smarpthone for less than $299 before carrier rebate. Could be $100 or less after rebate.
Treo 650 - Unchanged
Treo 700 - Cobalt-based smartphone with wifi and BT 2.0. New 3G radio like EVDO and UMTS. May be a different design all together.

RE: Shameful!
Calroth @ 11/14/2004 5:10:46 PM #
I think the biggest mistake of most of the people here is thinking that they can dictate the price.

Sure, it might be nice to have a price point as a "wish list", but that's not how business works. Business works by setting a price that may be too high or too low, and you either take it or leave it - no negotiations. You can't say stuff like "the Treo should be $100 less" when historically, the Treo 600 has sold as fast as they could make them, even without that discount.

RE: Shameful!
svrontis @ 11/14/2004 5:48:12 PM #
> Tungsten E - Probably incremental upgrade of ram amount, newer OS and faster processor. Or perhaps just lower prices.

Interesting thoughts. However, I would prefer any new TE model to be thinner and lighter, without any changes to the specs.

RE: Shameful!
AyDb @ 11/15/2004 6:15:41 PM #
They won't build the Zire 81, TC2, and T700 like you describe. That would be too advanced, and too much like competing in the industry.

Can not see Mobile Windows

burtba @ 11/12/2004 8:28:18 PM #
I most certainly cannot see PalmOne using Mobile Windows. Lets face it they cant even give the community what they want with an operating system they have years of experience with. AND besides that (ED) its not the OS were moaning about its your distinct lack of technology in your PDA's.

Can you imagine PalmOne trying to compete with any single Mobile Windows PDA developer out there?? I dont f... think so. They all have PDA's with far superior technology with much more competetive prices.

I see PalmOne closed an office in china and pulled out of the chinese market. I see the end of PalmOne coming, at least for PDA's. They may try in vain with their smart phone, but unless they give the market what they want, as they have not done with PDA's, they will slowly loose more and more market share as they have consistently done over the last two years.

It's a shame for PalmOne that a lot of Palm OS developers now days offer the same application in Mobile Windows and a lot of them will let you swap over for free. This does not leave much reason to stick with PalmOne for a PDA, especially based on their last T5 effort, and the fact that they would have had Palm OS 6 (cobalt) for 2 years before they release a product with it on. Seems like a severe lack of resourses to me!!!! What a shame.

RE: Can not see Mobile Windows
Strider_mt2k @ 11/13/2004 5:23:36 AM #
Sure they can do Windows.
And it'll be a cheaply made backward step too.

RE: Can not see Mobile Windows
AyDb @ 11/13/2004 3:39:04 PM #
Changing the OS won't help them if they can't pull their heads out of wherever they're stuck. A T5 is a lemon whether it's running Palm or Windows. Worse if it's running Windows, because then it's up against competitors that will dismember it in seconds. At least running Palm OS it has the loyalist base to tap into and the brand recognition.

RE: Can not see Mobile Windows
vesther @ 11/13/2004 4:37:54 PM #
If PalmOne even starts using Windows Mobile on their devices, sales of their handhelds are likely to be slumping down like nuts, and in addition, customers will be alienated as well. It's really important to use an OS with the customers in mind.

I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!

Treo 650 versus other smartphones?

AyDb @ 11/13/2004 4:09:12 AM #
"You read any review of any smart phone and the Treo 650 wins."

Pardon? Nobody's reviewed the 650 yet! Barely anybody's even touched it! Yet more BS. This guy's just spinning out the company line.

RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
`Vampire Lestat` @ 11/13/2004 3:27:46 PM #
I like when Eg Colligan aknowledges that it does not take much to make a PDA unsuccessful. Examples, mono sound on the TC, SD munching T3s, peeling paint on the Zire72, etc. At least he knows it. HP on the other is totally oblivious to this and has little hope. HP and Dell are riding the "Trust us, we are with Microsoft wave". We are seeing a good example of the power of branding.

Anyways, having said all that, I am glad that Ed Colligan is at the helm. The T5, so far, does not have any known flaws that will make it unsuccessful. It is, in my humble opinion, the best handheld ever made. P1 can always add additional features to it down the road, but the core of the device is flawless; and that alone will make it a big seller.

Even though I understand P1 wants to keep all its options open, I would have a major problem with P1 diverting resources to a Windows Mobile PDA. But that is a topic for another time.

RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
TooMuch @ 11/13/2004 3:40:34 PM #
"Pardon? Nobody's reviewed the 650 yet! Barely anybody's even touched it! Yet more BS. This guy's just spinning out the company line."

Man, you guys have got to stop this diahrea of Ed hatred if you want to win an argument. It has been reviewed on several sites with HIGH praise! And since the Treo 600 is the current "champion," why can't he say that the Treo 650 is the tops...knowing that it has the majority of what everyone has been asking for in a T600 successor? Just because you haven't been able to buy one yet doesn't mean that the man is "spinning." And if he is, what's that to "spinners" like us on this forum?

The return of Ska?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/13/2004 5:12:43 PM #
The T5, so far, does not have any known flaws that will make it unsuccessful. It is, in my humble opinion, the best handheld ever made. P1 can always add additional features to it down the road, but the core of the device is flawless; and that alone will make it a big seller.

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Ska? Is that you, girl?





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RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
AyDb @ 11/13/2004 6:53:01 PM #
Lestat: How long have you worked for PalmOne? All you post is fluff that sounds like it came out of the marketing department. I smell astroturf. PalmOne can't get any good press on the T5's merits, or lack thereof, so they're trying to push some.

As for HP and Dell riding some imaginary wave, their sales and marketshare have been rising continuously for years. If this is a 'wave' it had better crest soon, otherwise your employers will be drowned.

TM: No, the 650 has NOT been reviewed. Some sites posted a few paragraphs of information handed to them by PalmOne as part of the release. The only people who have had 'hands on' are a few corporate customers, TreoCentral, and maybe Walt Mossberg. If you consider a few paragraphs of basic specs a 'review' no wonder you don't see a problem with PalmOne's product line. And for the record, the market has gotten a lot more crowded since the 600 came out, and even the 650 is hardly the most impressive thing out there.

RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/13/2004 7:35:40 PM #
even the 650 is hardly the most impressive thing out there.

Really? Please name a few better smartphones (on any platform, including Symbian, Windows and PalmOS)

And Lestat doesn't work for Palm. If someone at Palm was astroturfing, they wouldn't be dumb enough to say things like "The T5... does not have any known flaws... the best handheld ever made... the core of the device is flawless..." Instead, they would make the type of posts that others here have reported someone named "Lance" has done on various Palm sites.

BloodSuckerBoy Lestat joined PalmInfocenter today and is probably none other than our old friend Ska, pulling some Psyops tricks. Reverse psychology, Baby. Gotta love it.



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RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
TooMuch @ 11/13/2004 9:53:35 PM #
"TM...no wonder you don't see a problem with PalmOne's product line."

Problem. TM never said there wasn't a problem with PalmOne's product line for that wasn't the issue (rather it was the top quality of the Treo 650).

;) AyDb, you're making my point for me...You continue to overstate your case (in this case , just make up stuff I never said) and forfeit your argument.

RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
AyDb @ 11/13/2004 10:23:33 PM #
"Really? Please name a few better smartphones (on any platform, including Symbian, Windows and PalmOS)"

The BenQ P50: Bluetooth, WiFi, GSM/GPRS, thumb keyboard, and landscape mode.

Nokia Communicator 9500: BT, WiFi, GSM/GPRS/EDGE, larger keyboard PLUS normal numeric keypad, clamshell design, large screen. Sweet machine, shame it's so expensive.

The Samsung i730: BT, WiFi, CDMA/EvDO, sliding thumb keyboard, and landscape.

Motorola MPx: BT, WiFi, double clamshell, landscape, keyboard, GSM/GPRS.

"If someone at Palm was astroturfing, they wouldn't be dumb enough to say things like "The T5... does not have any known flaws..."

If they're stupid enough to build it, they're stupid enough to say it has no flaws.

"AyDb, you're making my point for me...You continue to overstate your case (in this case , just make up stuff I never said) and forfeit your argument."

You're trying to put words in my mouth. My point is that the Treo 650 has NOT undergone review, that Colligan's statement is deliberately misleading, and that THAT is the problem with PalmOne's product line--it can't stand on its own. They have to spin, spew, and mislead people into thinking its better than it is. It's a sign of desperation.

RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
mikecane @ 11/16/2004 8:56:55 AM #
Lestat is not ska. He has BOUGHT a T5 -- after publicly and loudly griping about it -- and has found that he likes it. See his BH posts. At least *he* sticks to ONE HANDLE, Voice of Retardness.

RE: Treo 650 will DESTROY all other smartphones. Destroy.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/16/2004 10:26:12 PM #
"Really? Please name a few better smartphones (on any platform, including Symbian, Windows and PalmOS)"

The BenQ P50: Bluetooth, WiFi, GSM/GPRS, thumb keyboard, and landscape mode.

Nokia Communicator 9500: BT, WiFi, GSM/GPRS/EDGE, larger keyboard PLUS normal numeric keypad, clamshell design, large screen. Sweet machine, shame it's so expensive.

The Samsung i730: BT, WiFi, CDMA/EvDO, sliding thumb keyboard, and landscape.

Motorola MPx: BT, WiFi, double clamshell, landscape, keyboard, GSM/GPRS.

"If someone at Palm was astroturfing, they wouldn't be dumb enough to say things like "The T5... does not have any known flaws..."

If they're stupid enough to build it, they're stupid enough to say it has no flaws.


You seem to be confusing number of features with excellence in design. If you've ever used a Treo 600 you'll understand that the D-pad and its tight integration into the OS makes all the difference between effortless, intuitive navigation (Treo) and awkward fumbling (Windows). Having not used the new Windows devices you listed (most have not been released yet), I'll give them the benefit of the doubt with regard to their UI, but I expect that the Windows UI will again be the Achilles heel of those phones.

The Motorola MPx is an interesting design, but it looks like it has too many things moving around waiting to break...

The BenQ P50 is a blatant Treo 600 ripoff. As previously pedicted, it only took Windows companies a few months to copy the Treo 600.

That 8 ounce Nokia (a half pound phone!) should never have been approved for release. Ranks right up there (down there?) with NGage. All for what - $1000? Get serious.

As someone who once waited 6 months to get a Samsung PalmOS VaporPhone™, I now believe Samsung no longer makes real phones - only vaporware prototypes. I'll believe Samsung has a new smartphone only when it's actually available in stores.


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Astroturfing is alive and well - you just usually don't know when it's happening these days because the Astroturfers are now PROFESSIONAL marketing types. There are other, more crude methods, as employed by the likes of Ska, but they can be equally effective. FUD is an cost effective, proven technique and one which Palm has proven inept at combatting in the corporate world.



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RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
Gekko @ 11/17/2004 8:00:44 AM #

Voice - Are you 13 years old or do you just simply have the mentality of one?

Just for you, Geeko
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/18/2004 11:27:54 PM #
I'd suggest you stick with yapping at (intellectual) flyweights like yourself. Mike Cane and BubbaSteve are about all a little twerp like you can handle. And even then, I'm putting my money on Mike "Geezer" Cane kicking your sorry a$$ all the way back to your trailer park.

Have a nice day!



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RE: Treo 650 versus other smartphones?
mikecane @ 11/19/2004 8:15:55 AM #
Not only does he have the mentality of a 13-year-old, those are also who he goes out with. The degenerate.

Yo, Ed!

mikecane @ 11/13/2004 4:39:06 PM #
I can't believe *any* time was spent dreaming up a *silver* (ie, already nekkid) Z72. Why not put some of those shorthanded p1 resources into something USEFUl -- like, say, a PATCH TO INCREASE THE FEKKIN CLIPBOARD SIZE!

Thank you.

RE: Excuse me, Mr Colligan, Sir. May I have some more?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/13/2004 5:16:50 PM #
Lapdoggie, please **** already and download the FREE utility, CutPaste5. If you're gonna biotch about Palm, biotch about something that you CAN'T fix - like lack of Wi-Fi, or lack of quality.

http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/cutpaste5.shtml




The 4 KB clipboard is not a bug, it's a feature!


By the way, I see that in the past 4 months alone your good buddy, Colligan has hauled in a cool $4.7 MILLION or so in stock bonuses from the plundered ship, HMS pa1mOne. Ahoy, Mateys! Raise the Jolly Rodger and scuttle the ship! Arrrrrrrrrgh!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=PLMO




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RE: Yo, Ed!
ptc @ 11/13/2004 6:12:20 PM #
$4.7 Million??? That is just disgusting.

That money would have been much better spent addressing PalmOne's quality control problems on their units.

For PalmOne's sake, I really hope they sell several boat-loads of those Treo 650's...


RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/15/2004 12:02:33 PM #
Yo, Voice of Schmuckness: If you had any brains at all, and if you were the Power User you make out to be, you'd know that CP5 DESTROYS text in 32K Memos!! I posted about this WEEKS AND WEEKS AGO! It also causes a hard reset(!!!) with D2G. I've been playing with Clip Pro, but that has a bad bug (and yes, the dev and I are in touch).

Now get the hell in the corner and put on that Dunce cap, sister.

RE: Yo, Ed!
hkklife @ 11/15/2004 2:55:39 PM #
It would be a far wiser move to can the peeling Blue Zire 72s and add some of the T5 apps on the Z72SE--Media app, Favorites, Blazer etc in the process.

This one ranks right up there with the clear case IIIe SE, the Claudia Schiffer Vx and the patrioric colored m505s.

At the very least, a few freebie games/apps on a separate CD or a bundled hard case or something could be tossed in there with the Z72 SE to differentiate it for the holidays.

RE: Yo, Ed!
svrontis @ 11/15/2004 9:42:08 PM #
If you care to examine the records for M$, you may notice that a number of their staff have also done well with under share plans. And those numbers would be of a different order of magnitude to those you quote for p1. In the scheme of things, the p1 numbers would be like a drop in the ocean in comparison.

One other thing to consider. It is not as if $1 earned by an employee under a share plan is a $1 which the company could have otherwise spent on say R&D. Rather, gains under a share plan normally come from selling in shares/options to other investors. In a sense, it is the other shareholders who really bear the cost, and this typically does not affect the financial position of the company itself. To put this another way, share plans allow staff to make money and, at the same time, preserve the cash resources of the company, so that the cash may be used for other things.

RE: Yo, Mike Cane!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/16/2004 3:25:56 AM #
if you were the Power User you make out to be, you'd know that CP5 DESTROYS text in 32K Memos!! I posted about this WEEKS AND WEEKS AGO! It also causes a hard reset(!!!) with D2G. I've been playing with Clip Pro, but that has a bad bug (and yes, the dev and I are in touch).

Mike, are you REALLY a complete dumba$$, or do you just play one on the Internet? Your efforts to find something - ANYTHING - to biotch about with PalmOS and PPC devices has long since passed verging on insanity. Memos are for short notes - i.e. MEMOS. If you insist on trying to create long notes, use an appropriate app, like a Word-compatible word processor.

Clip PRO etc seems to work fine for those of us that are sane. I'm sorry to hear that Gavin Maxwell will now have to endure an endless barrage of lunatic messages from you, all over a $13 (US) app that you will probably "test" for years before deciding that you don't want to buy it, only to then rip into the guy on 5000 websites for ignoring your emails.

Unlike you, I actually USE my PDA for real work and have easily found workarounds for the few limitations of my UX50 and TH55. It must be nice to be able to spend 40 hours/week like you do playing with the display models in Best Buy, Comp USA, etc (while looking out for the managers that are probably all itching to kick your sorry a$$ out of their stores), but some of us have jobs. And lives.

The Clue Train is leaving the station, Lapdoggie. Try to get onboard.



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RE: Yo, Ed!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/16/2004 4:05:27 AM #
If you care to examine the records for M$, you may notice that a number of their staff have also done well with under share plans. And those numbers would be of a different order of magnitude to those you quote for p1. In the scheme of things, the p1 numbers would be like a drop in the ocean in comparison.

One other thing to consider. It is not as if $1 earned by an employee under a share plan is a $1 which the company could have otherwise spent on say R&D. Rather, gains under a share plan normally come from selling in shares/options to other investors. In a sense, it is the other shareholders who really bear the cost, and this typically does not affect the financial position of the company itself. To put this another way, share plans allow staff to make money and, at the same time, preserve the cash resources of the company, so that the cash may be used for other things.

Palm has paid out tens of millions in bonuses to its top 10 executives in recent times, all while the company has been on the verge of disaster. Hundreds of engineers and support staff were let go to save money. I don't know about you, but I think Palm would have been a lot better off using some of that money to do things like hiring engneers that could have delivered PalmOS 6 on time; or retaining technical support staff who understand English rather than are just reading from scripts; or improving the quality control on their PDAs. Every million paid out to people like Nagel, Colligan, Dubinski and Hawkins is more blood leeched out of the company that MIGHT just have been used to help rebuild Palm.

Comparing Microsoft's corporate practices to Palm's seems rather silly: Microsoft is one of the most successful companies that has ever existed; Palm is almost bankrupt.




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RE: Yo, Voice of Stupidity!
mikecane @ 11/16/2004 8:53:07 AM #
Memos are now THIRTY TWO FEKKIN K, you dope.

PalmOne has moved on from the crappy 4K limit your beloved CLIE has.

Welcome to the twenty-first century.

And CP is not $13. You can't even get its price right, you strutting eejit.

RE: Yo, Dumba$$!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/16/2004 4:31:07 PM #
Memos are now THIRTY TWO FEKKIN K, you dope.

PalmOne has moved on from the crappy 4K limit your beloved CLIE has.

Welcome to the twenty-first century.

And CP is not $13. You can't even get its price right, you strutting eejit.

Lapdoggie, the only idiot strutting is you. My condolences. Dumba$$.
http://www.pocketscience.com.au/products.asp#ClipPRO
http://www.x-rates.com/cgi-bin/cgicalc.cgi?value=16.95&base=AUD

Secondly, why don't you list how many of the 100 or so PalmOS devices released over the past eight years support 32 KB memos out of the box. Please name them all, Lapdoggie. Maybe you should try counting them on your hands. Or hand. Count out loud so you don't get confused.

And while you're at it, why don't you ask PalmSource's Dianne Hackborn again to send you some photos of herself? Dumba$$.

Yo! Dumba$$! Only dumba$$es from New Yawk and New Joisey say "Yo"! You dumba$$.





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RE: Yo, Ed!
svrontis @ 11/16/2004 6:01:44 PM #
> "I don't know about you, but I think Palm would have been a lot better off using some of that money to do things like hiring engneers that could have delivered PalmOS 6 on time; or retaining technical support staff who understand English rather than are just reading from scripts; or improving the quality control on their PDAs."

All valid points, of course. (Irony intended)

But have you ever tried to get a straight answer out of M$ technical support staff (or any answer)? Not me; life is too short for that.

As for quality issues, I think it marvelous that WinCE almost has 50% of the problems worked out (more than 5 years after release). I'm sure that in another couple of years, they will get around to making the alarms work.

And let's not forget M$ stirling effors in developing the WinCE code. I can list the missed deadlines and broken promises if you wish. Not that you'd know - the marketing spivs do such a great job at covering up. Normally, the code-jockeys do the minimum necessary to bring out a 'new release' once every 18 months or so - then it's handed over to the marketing department - who slap on a different name and, bingo, you have the 'latest breakthrough in mobile technology'. (Not.)

The moral to the story is: If your paymaster lives in a glass house, you shouldn't throw stones.

RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/16/2004 6:59:48 PM #
Gee, Voice, you really put me in my place -- which is still ABOVE you, you cheapjack mofo.

Have you forgotten the dollar FLUCTUATES (not unlike your sanity)?

RE: Yo, Lapdoggie!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/16/2004 9:13:50 PM #
Gee, Voice, you really put me in my place -- which is still ABOVE you, you cheapjack mofo.

Have you forgotten the dollar FLUCTUATES (not unlike your sanity)?

Mike, it's time for you to eat crow, apologize to everyone (especially the talented Ms. Hackborn) and then S T F U. Forever. Move on to another platform, Lapdoggie. I think REX would do everything you need from a PDA and it's even named appropriately for a sucky puppy like you.

By the way, most normal people would have simply accepted their error about the pricing of Clip PRO. You, on the other hand, are compelled to flail about wildly, sinking deeper into the lake of muck spewing out of your large mouth.





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RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/17/2004 9:25:34 AM #
Yeah, Voice, we're still waiting for that CLIE UX you CLAIMED to have SEEM (in your pathetic and impotetnt wet dreams).

Really, such an argument "How many Palms have 32K Memos?" You want numbers as the basis for an argument (Gekko been rubbing off on you?)? Which PalmOS PDA maker has the largest market share. Shove that into your hollow head, moron.

Now get the hell back into that bunker and eat your peas, CLIE Boy.

RE: Yo, Lapdoggie!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/18/2004 10:44:23 PM #
Yeah, Voice, we're still waiting for that CLIE UX you CLAIMED to have SEEM (in your pathetic and impotetnt wet dreams).

You're talking crazy talk, Lapdoggie. But then again, I suppose that's to be expected from you. "Impotent wet dreams"???

Really, such an argument "How many Palms have 32K Memos?" You want numbers as the basis for an argument (Gekko been rubbing off on you?)?

Why don't you just answer the question. Can you name 5 PalmOS devices that ship with the ability to create 32 KB memos? Time for you to S T F U, deekbreath. I think Geeko has been rubbing UP on you. I wonder if that stain will ever come off your pants...

Which PalmOS PDA maker has the largest market share. Shove that into your hollow head, moron.

Are there ANY PalmOS PDA companies left besides Palm now?
AlphaSmart? Fringe player.
Garmin? Will they even be releasing a PalmOS 6 device? Ever?
TapWave? The new HandEra. Complete with fatally flawed business model.
Samsung? Do they have anything but VaporPhones™?
The Chinese licensees? Didn't most of them just dump Palm?
Maybe you should ask Mike Mace for a PalmOS license. At $10 each I'm sure you might be able to pay for two licences (at best). And we're about as likely to see Dumba$$ Cane PalmOS 6 PDA anytime soon as we are to see one coming from Palm.


Now get the hell back into that bunker and eat your peas, CLIE Boy.

The bunker's stocked, locked, loaded and ready for The Day After (when Palm goes belly up). Hard times are a-comin', Lapdoggie - and don't knock on the shelter door begging hysterically for a TH55 or UX50. NO CLIES FOR YOU! Now get out!

Who's your Daddy! Say it! Biotch!




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RE: Yo, Mike Cane! (Cat got your tongue?)
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/20/2004 12:59:49 PM #
As usual, you run an hide when faced with the facts.

I'll say it again: Why don't you just answer the question. Can you name 5 PalmOS devices that ship with the ability to create 32 KB memos?

I can't hear you, Mike. BIOTCH!



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RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/20/2004 4:11:02 PM #
>>>Can you name 5 PalmOS devices

I can just see this idiot, mouth slack, drool dripping, as he goes to p1's site to count the number of Memos-modified models. "Uh... must be 4, so I'll ask him to name 5. Yeah, that'll stump him." Idiot.

>>>Are there ANY PalmOS PDA companies left besides Palm now?

Mouth slack, drool still dripping (adding to the other stains already on his lap from the XXX-sites he just finished "researching"), he looks up the licensees at the PS site... so predictable, he is.

>>>As usual, you run an hide when faced with the facts.

No, congenital eejit, some of us have OTHER THINGS TO DO than to sit and monitor this site. Keep hitting that Refresh button, retardo. Jump, Pavlov, jump!

RE: Yo,MikeCon!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/20/2004 4:53:10 PM #
Nice to see you still can't answer the question. Thanks for showing us what a useless windbag you really are. And exactly how little you know about Palms.

You're MY biotch now, Mike. Don't EVER forget it. Biotch.





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RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/20/2004 5:01:01 PM #
Keep counting, Pavlov.

It doesn't matter HOW many p1 devices have 32K Memos. As long as all the latest ones do.

Is that too difficult for you to grasp? I think so.

RE: Yo, Mike Cane-y Poo!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/20/2004 5:31:44 PM #
Nice to see you still can't answer the question. Thanks for showing us what a useless windbag you really are. And exactly how little you know about Palms.

You're MY biotch now, Mike. Don't EVER forget it. Biotch.




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RE: Yo, Ed!
abosco @ 11/20/2004 8:33:12 PM #
Jesus Christ, both of you shut the **** up already - before I call you both balding, impotent, and lonely old men. ****in' A.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T637
RE: Yo, Ed!
Gekko @ 11/21/2004 11:45:22 AM #

'Voice' is the same loser as 'The Ugly Truth' and 'Facey'.



RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/21/2004 2:09:04 PM #
absoco, **** yourself. No one is forcing you to read this. This ain't for kids. Go play with your crayons somewhere else.

Voice thinks he has some sort of point aside from the one he'll eventually be arrested for displaying at minors (be afraid, abosco!).

RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/21/2004 2:10:19 PM #
Oh, censorware made it seem worse than it was. It was S T F U.

RE: Yo, Mrs. Cane!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/21/2004 5:35:18 PM #
Mike, you need to settle things with your little girls (abosca and Geeko). Come back when you're ready for another biotchslapping. Buh-bye!



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RE: Yo, Ed!
Gekko @ 11/21/2004 7:17:08 PM #

You new name is: The_Voice_of_A_13_Year_Old.



RE: Yo, Ed!
abosco @ 11/21/2004 8:53:33 PM #
How about The_Reason_For_Abortion ??

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T637
RE: Yo, Ed!
mikecane @ 11/22/2004 10:44:06 AM #
Keep taking the bait, Pavlov. Jump little doggie. Jump! Let everyone keep seeing what a creep you are! Jump!

My Tungsten E is almost perfect

robman @ 11/14/2004 2:07:32 PM #
I have not posted here in ages, but my Tunsten E is almost perfect. I have been carting it around my backpacking trip in Europe for six months, listening to language MP3s, using Mapopolis (slow but it works) and reading hundreds of free ebooks.

Almost everything that is wrong with my T|E is in the software. I cannot use it as a flash drive because it does not come with the software. I had to go out and buy PocketTunes because Palm has that stooooopid RealOne player that works poorly and does not come on the device anyway. Getting and sharing ebooks is hard because PalmOne has not cracked down on the proliferation of formats and gotten people to work together.

Of course, there are some inane design decisions. Palm cannot seem to pick a connector to save their life. USB seems like an awfully good choice and it has benefited many of the MS devices---you get high speed transfer rate, and you can charge the device easily, and with a little more software the Palm can drive USB devices like cameras and printers and what not using the beautiful standard protocols.

The newest generation of devices seems to be in no hope of solving these problems. PICK A UNIVERSAL CONNECTOR. Analyze software use and put the useful apps in ROM. Stop using the SD slot for anything but memory...use the UC for bluetooth dongles,
wifi dongles, ethernet dongles, etc.

These problems are easy to solve. Fix them, Palm!

Robby
Belgium

RE: My Tungsten E is almost perfect
radleyp @ 11/15/2004 4:28:50 PM #
I don't read "hundreds of free ebooks" in six months. How did you do it, and while sightseeing no less? Very impressive. Philippe Radley

RE: My Tungsten E is almost perfect
robman @ 11/17/2004 10:31:29 AM #
Um, that should have said "reading a few selections out of my library of hundreds of ebooks that I carry with me"

It's quite something to have an entire library in your pocket, and I have given up only a handful of megabytes on my SD card to do this. Palm could easily ship an ancient 8MB card with their handhelds chock full of classic ebooks, for almost no extra cost.

Palm Enthusiast since 1998

Storage and "advances" on the TT5

BuzzWriter @ 11/14/2004 5:56:17 PM #
"We create a very high capacity device that will allow people to carry their most important digital information with them. "

It's a good thing. My new TT5 won't recognize the SD card that I used with my Tungsten T. After the help desk had me wipe out all the data and programs that I'd just loaded on the new TT5, the rep said "if that doesn't work you must have a defective unit and should return it for exchange." Sigh.

If anyone has another idea, please let me know.

Mac user, marketing communications specialist

Ed...c'mon

tthiel @ 11/19/2004 1:46:04 AM #
"We're trying to do something different here where we create a very high capacity device that will allow people to carry their most important digital information with them. I think that will be a new trend in handhelds, and we're starting that trend in motion."

Does he really not know that you hvae been able to do this with Pocket PC's for years? Either he's really dumb or he thinks we are.

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