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RE: What's the point?
Why is Sony continuing to produce memory that does not go inside a memory stick? Is this actually a sign they are going to dump their anti-consumer propietary format anytime soon? (Answer: of course not)
What does this have to do with Palm PDAs? The only PalmOS devices I know of with a CF slot is the aging Handera 330 and a few of the discontinued Sony N-series machines.
Slow news day, Ryan? :-)
Palm Enthusiast since 1998
RE: What's the point?
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RE: What's the point?
Sony's making new stuff. So what, that's bad?
They could be used in some existing handheld devices, so why not feature the story?
I can see the same amount of people crying over it NOT being covered and Ryan accused of not covering it to help boost P1 or some other such nonsense.
RE: What's the point?
True, but this is PalmInfocenter, not DigitalCameraInfocenter.
>Sony's making new stuff. So what, that's bad?
I have always contended that propietary memory formats are anti-consumer, like the Sony Memory Stick. But this new microdrive uses CF, which is relatively open and widely accessible. I thought Sony was really committed to the MS line, so I am surprised. Does this release mean anything, or just that Sony is disorganized on their corporate philosophy?
>They could be used in some existing handheld devices, so why not >feature the story?
True, in the ancient Handera 330 and a couple of discontinued Sony models.
I was just surprised to see it, as it seems only peripherally related to the Palm platform.
Palm Enthusiast since 1998
RE: What's the point?
RE: What's the point?
Reggie
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RE: What's the point?
Oh well, it never hurts to have more options in the marketplace.
RE: What's the point?
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Thanks for the update, Ryan
This is probably just something Sony had in development a while ago and they're releasing it to try and recoup development costs, even though it's already been made redundant by regular CF cards.
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I Don'T Get It, Why Bother???
I had to go back to Palm infact waiting on my Treo 650 to arrive today...We need a company who is standing behind a product, Not one who kills off a whole line.
Hey Sony!!!!!! Go SQUAT!!!!!!!
Remember the "dominant" Sony?
As ubiquitous as Sony has become, they will eventually be forced to shrink in the US. They're out of PDAs. MiniDisc is a colossal failure in the US. Their Network Walkman mp3 player is a bust. This microdrive is doomed from the start simply in how far behind it is. And don't even get me started on the PS2's continuing demise at the hands of the X-Box.
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Non Memory Stick Media
-Ryan
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RE: Non Memory Stick Media
Reggie
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RE: Non Memory Stick Media
THANK YOU for the story relating around another Palm OS memory solution. I once heard it said "There's no way to keep all the sheep from wandering away, but you can keep them so fat that they can't get thru the fence". In other words, keeping the related goodies keeps the "herd" @ home.
Robman,
I don't assume to know Sony's philosophy. But concerning the use of CF over M$ is surely a matter of form factors. Packing a hard drive into the thickness of a M$ would be interesting. CF are probably 2x thicker or more.
My question about this is ... what is the point of a microdrive over a 4GB CF memory card? Is x-fer faster? Seems as if it would be more power-hungry and delicate? I may be wrong on both. Amazing Tech nonetheless.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Non Memory Stick Media
Why would this hint at a replacement on a digicam which uses CF or M$?
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Non Memory Stick Media
The semi-failure of MS to become entrenched in the marketplace is not so much the near-exclusivity with Sony products (yes, I know a few Minolta & Samsung products use it) but rather in the confusing flurry of various types Sony has heaped onto consumers:
MS, MS Select, MS PRo, MS Duo, MS Duo Pro, the varying flavors of MagicGate and then the new black & gold "ultra speed" Memory Sticks. Ugh. And we used to think 3.3v and 5v SmartMedia or Type I, II, and III CF was bad.
Sony should have just introduced the MS Pro from the get-go AND avoided the colossal mistake of not having a MS slot on the PS2. Had they simply done that (MS mind you, not MG) you could have a ton o' saved games on a single MS instead of spread across numerous 8mb PS2 memory cards (though one old-style PS card slot could have been retained for PSOne games). Then families who got a PS2 for the kids for Christmas '00 or '01 would have been far more inclined to purchase a Sony digicam for Christmas '02 or '03. What a mind-boggling oversight and a true pity that the warring factions within Sony cannot come to any sort of cooperative agreement. Look at the delay in the PS2 DVD remote!
SD is still hanging in there very well from a price/performance standpoint and is all I will continue to use for the forseeable future, especially if prices for 2gb cards hit $100 within a year or two.
That said, I see the "big" MS fading away slowly and Sony putting their faith into the various flavors of MS Duo. I do not see them jumping on the SD bandwagon but they could seemingly abandon MS in a few years when the next new flash storage format is proposed. I'd personally like to see the market settle down to just CF, SD and TF or mini-SD but that's just me.
RE: Non Memory Stick Media
1) Open and accessible to everyone, with minimal or no licensing costs.
2) Use an open-ended negotation protocol that determines transfer rate and device size, making the standard completly future proof so that there is NO size/transfer rate barriers.
3) Have a physical and software interlock, so that you can only remove the card when it's safe to do so, but that you can remove a card almost instantly during a transfer with a smooth handling of partial data.
4) Either be very small (the volume of SD or an old MS), or permit developers flexibility in a single dimension if they want to produce longer cards.
5) Come with built in, high-quality, always-on user-driven encryption.
6) Have no Digital Rights Management, so that users can share data freely.
Yes, this is possible. Yes, other data storage standards have arisen that meet many of these goals. Yes, it will be a long, long time.
Palm Enthusiast since 1998
RE: Non Memory Stick Media
The fact is, the drive won't fit in a memory stick. That's all, nothing more to see.
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I have a little blog online where I have posted an article about that stuff. I think that hard disks are coming out big on the Palm handheld pretty soon!
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Did Sony even make these?
I think a safer bet is that Sony had to buy a large quantity of these in order to secure a steady supply - Maybe for their handheld PC hardware - and are just selling the units at a profit because they have them lying around. And they are certainly making a profit - http://www.pricewatch.com/h/prc.aspx?i=226&a=127290&f=1">PriceWatch shows new 4GB microdrives @ $205 with a $50 rebate...
Sony ripping people off - Nothing new to see here, really.
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