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Centro 4thIt's no secret that Palm's most recent Palm OS device, the Centro, is a popular smartphone. Launched in October of 2007, the Centro is available in numerouous colors and in nearly every flavor of GSM and CDMA both domestically and in a wide variety of international markets. The Centro itself recently passed the 2 million units sold mark in late July and there's no end in sight to the device's success, if the latest NPD report numbers showing it as the country's #4 smartphone are accurate.

CNET is reporting today that the latest NPD sales figures from June through August 2008 indicates Apple's new iPhone 3G in first place, followed by the BlackBerry Curve, BlackBerry Pearl and then Palm's Centro in fourth place.

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new slogan

Gekko @ 10/6/2008 3:03:29 PM # Q

"We're 4th. We Try Harder."

RE: new slogan
PacManFoo @ 10/6/2008 7:37:50 PM # Q
"Rose" and "Green" have been pictured and are suspected to still be in the works

And the beat goes on.

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RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/6/2008 8:40:24 PM # Q

can someone photochop/post this centro into a 480x320 in actual size (with thumboard) so we can see if it's viable?

http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/centro-review.jpg

i would do it myself but this is beyond my area of expertise.

"The important thing isn't having a big circle of competency, its knowing where its perimeter is." - Warren Buffett

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/7/2008 3:22:35 AM # Q
Why would Centro, part II be a candybar? Think flip - I;ve watched many a teenybopper snap theur flip phone closed with a satisfying "Kerplack!" after texting someone - in fact, I watched one do that over and over again as she was standing in line interacting via text with someone - text, kerplack, tone, read, reply, kerplack, tone, read, reply, kerplack...

Think Blackberry Pearl, part II...

RE: new slogan
twrock @ 10/7/2008 7:01:38 AM # Q
Gekko, here you go (but in red, not black): http://tinyurl.com/3p63jy



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RE: new slogan
twrock @ 10/7/2008 7:15:28 AM # Q
I should mention that the third pic (left to right) is slightly shorter than just increasing the screen size to 480x320. I took a slice out between the bottom of the screen and the top of the D-pad/buttons area. I think the picture on the far right is what you were asking for.

Oh, and I didn't attempt "actual size" since I had previously done the harder work on the screen using the red Centro pic. And I think "actual size" will be relative to your monitor's size and resolution anyway. I suppose you can try stretching or shrinking the picture yourself while you hold your Centro up to it (second from the left).


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RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/7/2008 7:27:51 AM # Q

twrock - thanks! that's what i was looking for. i'd definitely buy the phone on the far right over the regular centro. it should be very easy for palm to produce. i'm not sure they feel it's a necessary or viable design though.

RE: new slogan
PacManFoo @ 10/7/2008 8:21:13 AM # Q
Me likey number one!

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RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/7/2008 9:54:57 AM # Q
Anyone who thinks Palm is going to attempt a flip phone-or even a candybar 320x480+ formfactor change under the current regime/economy/OS situation is just being silly.

Just a few reasons off the top of my head:

1. Palm's only prior efforts as "mechanical engineers" were mildly disasterous at worst and underwhelming at best (Tungsten T/T2/T3 + Zire 71 slider). And those Tungstens were the so-called "BMW of PDAs" and flagship devices, not bottom-feeder, mass market, heavily subsidized playground handsets like the Centro.

2. Assuming a Centro 2 exists and/or is in the works, Palm would not want to lose any of the Centro 1's main features (small,slim, cheap).

3. The razor-thin margins on Centro 1 are likely just now starting to improve. Why would Palm want to sink R&D $ and fabrication $ into a device that people will expect to sell for at $99 or less at launch and be free w/ contract after a few months? If there's going to be any Centro 2, think a mild refresh of the current Centro with a few basic styling cues and maybe microUSB borrowed from the Treo Pro.

4. Palm is terrified to move beyond the 240x240 & 320x320 SSS (small square screen) + small QWERTY thumboard, as the past 5 years of Treo/Centro will show.

5. Palm has no interest or incentive to spend a PENNY on Garnet, especially optimizing it for a one-off 320x480 device. The phone app, which is hardcoded to the GSM & CDMA radios, would have to be rewritten entirely, plus all of the telephony-related apps & menus likely don't support anything higher than 320x320.

6. Just a handul of developers still support 320x480 Palm OS PDAs. And whatever Garnet 5.5 enhacements would be made, most of those legacy 320x480-friendly apps written for the T3/T5/TX would likely not work this time around. Lots of kiddies would end up with broken/ugly apps that only support 320x320. That's not hip!

Plus, Garnet's 320x480 DIA is designed for a Graffiti input box. How would this be treated on a device with a keyboard? If Palm is shuttering the MyPalm & e-mail support to save a few bucks, just imagine what costs headaches would result from masses of frustrated teenyboppers trying to make a "t" under G2.

7. Styli (according to Apple & RIM) are sooooo 1990s. Far too much work/money would be required to make the Centro's tiny screen & UI fingertip-friendly.


Let's face it folks. Garnet is dead, Nova ain't coming, Palm is almost dead and small square screens are here to stay!

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/7/2008 10:11:05 AM # Q

i still think it could be easily done from a technological standpoint, but i'm not sure expending any of palm's limited resources on it makes business sense given the probable limited long-term impact on market share. they already did 480x320 for other devices, and they could have the treo/centro "favorites buttons" menu automatically come up on the bottom for any app that doesn't support 480x320 (instead of the soft graffiti area).

hkk - boy, you're turning into a really jaded SOB on palm! i think you've now surpassed me!


RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/7/2008 12:08:26 PM # Q
> ...1. Palm's only prior efforts as "mechanical engineers"...

Who cares - Palm doesn't design nor build their devices anymore anyway!

> ...2. ...(small, slim, cheap)...

All Palm cares about is mass sales. A flipphone could give Palm that. Kerplack!

> ...3. The razor-thin margins on Centro 1 are likely just now starting to improve...

Okay.

> ...4. Palm is terrified to move beyond the 240x240 & 320x320 SSS (small square
> screen) + small QWERTY thumboard, as the past 5 years of Treo/Centro will show...

Perhaps.

> ...5. Palm has no interest or incentive to spend a PENNY on Garnet, especially
> optimizing it for a one-off 320x480 device...

I humbly proof-free disagree.

> ...6. Just a handul of developers still support 320x480 Palm OS PDAs

Okay.

> ...7. Styli (according to Apple & RIM) are sooooo 1990s...

Who said anything about stylii...or touchscreen?

> ...Let's face it folks. Garnet is dead...

Palm cannot throw away a free OS. It's not dead, just aimed at the ever-decreasing-functionality consumer set. Feature-phone anyone?

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/7/2008 12:47:06 PM # Q
1. Good point. It's just that I am loathe to use the words "Palm" and "moving parts" in the same sentence at this stage of the game!

2. But even if Palm is right now prepping such a device for release, how can they hope to stop the juggernaut that is RIM's Pearl flip?

3. Continuing the point above, I am SURE a flip phone would attract quite a bit of attention to Palm. But the question is can Palm live with the brutally small margins on a "$99 or free" flip smartphone?

4. I'll stick to my guns on this one

5. Ditto

6. ....

7. Let's see....what kind of non-essential "fluff" could Palm rip out of the Centro and still call it a Centro? IR port (not a huge savings), the microSD card (not a good idea given Garnet's pitiful onboard storage/RAM limitations), the vibrating alarm, Bluetooth (Garnet's BT stack is so pitiful it wouldn't be much of a loss), the stylus and the touchscreen.

8. I am unaware of there ever being non-touchscreen Palm OS device actually released and made available for sale. Even Dana's Alphasmart, targeted at a very niche vertical market (the education sector, which generally isn't one to be flooding callcenters with cries of help with a half-decade year-old abandoned app doesn't work) had a touchscreen with Graffiti support. So did the Fossil WristPDA watch. I highly doubt Palm would release anything with the Palm name & some variant of the Palm OS on it that broke any all hope of compatibility with a dozen years' worth of apps & UI.

To summarize, in its current form, Garnet doesn't support:
Internal RAM larger than 128mb, Bluetooth A2DP and/or BT 2.0 EDR. It doesn't support 802.11g nor does it support multiple wireless radios in a single device (telephony, BT, wi-fi). It doesn't support EVDO Rev.A nor does it support HSPA/UMTS for GSM networks. External expansion cards are only seen as 4GB volumes and it's a very unsecure (no WPA2 AES etc), non-multi-tasking/multi-threading OS. And it has zero (or nearly zero) intelligant power management/CPU throttling support. Finally, most of the inherent functional of Garnet user experience still relies too much on Palm Desktop, which in itself is a nearly-dead dinosaur that's been abandoned by Access with only the minimum of Windows Vista compliance. (and I have a sneaky feeling Windows 7 is going to be hitting the market sooner than we think).

And, while this is beyond the bredth of my technical know-how but I have a feeling that the future generations of mobile chipsets/CPUs might not even be compatible with Garnet (such as the Qualcomm MSM7201 chipset used in the Treo Pro). And let's not even get into screen resolutions higher than 320x480, WiMax etc etc. For all practical purposes, especially those of Palm's customers (ie the carriers) it's dead (GSM) or dying (CDMA).

IMHO, Palm would really be silly to throw any more $ into Garnet at this point, short of a tweaked Centro 2 with a few hardware improvements (2mp camera, larger 320x320 LCD, higher capacity battery, 3.5mm headphone jack, microUSB connector).

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/7/2008 12:59:43 PM # Q

the bottom line is palm better do *something* if they want to survive. it's getting NASTY out there!!!

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/7/2008 1:55:00 PM # Q
> ...I highly doubt Palm would release anything with the Palm name & some
> variant of the Palm OS on it that broke any all hope of compatibility
> with a dozen years' worth of apps & UI...

You are totally wedged into Fanboy-Think.

Stop it.

Start thinking "DUHmb".

Start thinking "Oh Kewl! I =luv= those rhinestones! And purple color!"

Start thinking "Kerplack!" as a major selling point.

God.

Now you're thinking...

RE: new slogan
LiveFaith @ 10/7/2008 1:55:49 PM # Q
HVGA + qwerty! Looks like one of those scanning wands used by the FAA Gestapo at airports. My WPM drops a bit in landscape too. Nice PS tho!

Relax HKK and Co, the "breakthrough new designs" are on the horizon. This could surpass the Cobalt industry foundation shaker from years ago! I would love to eat my words, but I have a strong feeling that I'll go hungry.

Pat Horne

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/7/2008 1:56:00 PM # Q
> ...God...

That was, of course, supposed to have another 'o'...you're good, bu ya ain;t God yet!


RE: new slogan
twrock @ 10/7/2008 4:25:38 PM # Q
I expanded the picture on my screen to make the third Centro (second tallest) the same height as my Nokia 6233 candybar phone. It looked like it was almost exactly the same in width.
So I looked up the dimensions of each phone for comparison and was surprised at the similarity:
Nokia 6233: 108 x 46 x 18 mm
Palm Centro: 107 x 54 x 18.5 mm
The Centro really is small! So as far as smartphones go, I don't think people would think it was a brick if they expanded the screen to 480x320 and kept the keyboard. I still don't think I want one. I'm still wanting the keyboardless version.




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RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/7/2008 6:48:18 PM # Q
SV;

First of all, I'm not a Palm fanboy. I am a long-time user of the Palm OS platform who feels that the original Pilot was a truly revolutionary device upon its release in 1996. The PIM apps & 3rd party software library of the Palm OS are still unmatched and the UI is clean, uncluttered, and simple for day-to-day tasks (though in desperate need of a facelift). But a fanboy for Palm Inc. and their products/actions of the past 7-8 years? Certainly not!

Smoke & mirrors marketing (day-glo colors, respinning the same model/formfactor year after year etc) is gonna get old quickly, especially now that RIM (once THE poster child of stodgy, clunky, boring industrial design) has awakened and started churning out stuff like the Pearl, Bold, Storm/Thunder etc.

That said, your points about features targeting the mass market are good and, IMO, this is where Palm could/should have done more to differentiate the Centro 1 from its Treo predecessors. A few easy "kerplacks!" that Palm could easily add to a Garnet-powered Centro 2 mass market-style device would be 3.5mm stereo headphone jack, a gig or two of onboard storage, an integrated Facebook app & an improved Google Maps (perhaps street level views that are integrated with the Palm OS address book).

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/8/2008 4:01:01 AM # Q
The "Fanboy" comment was directly addressed, as noted, at the idea that a "PalmOS" phone needs any type of backward compatibility with anything. Or even the idea that a "PalmOS" phone needs programmability beyond a certain range.

The "Kerplack!" comments were sincere - make a large screen flip phone with a basic set of good features like a QWERTY keyboard and be done with it. To hell with developers - just make a saleable feature+ phone.

Low-end el-cheapo almost-disposable consumer phone. No OS costs (save $15-ish right there on manufacturing costs).

=======

What Palm has traditionally done is failing - the Big Guys have crushed them to the point that Palm isn't even getting mentioned anymore in the Me-Too Media when phones/smartphones are being discussed in articles!

So, okay, tighten the belts and change. Start out-Nokiaing Nokia with the low-end.

[nah, I don't REALLY think that's a sustainable course, but what's happening right now for REAL isn't sustainable for Palm, either]

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/8/2008 6:32:03 AM # Q
Ah, SV, you must've missed my comments (usually buried amidst a flurry of many similar comments from others) that at THIS stage of the game, ASSUMING Nova exists & appears on a "real" device within the next 6-12 months, I have given up any hope of backwards compatibility with Garnet. In fact, I can quite easily live WITHOUT any backwards compatibility! It'd be NICE but is by no means a crucial must-have feature for me any more. At this point, Palm OS about the comfort & familiarity of the UI and of course the splendid PIM apps.

Stuff like at least a basic photo viewers and media players will hopefully be integrated into the core Nova OS package. Dataviz will presumably be onboard with DTG and stuff like Bejeweled can always be re-purchased. I just want a future non-WM device from Palm to EFFORTLESSLY import my 12+ years of Palm OS PIM data. They need to bundle or build in an easy to use migration tool that can import PIM data from all Palm OS devices, whether a 1996 Pilot 1000 or a 2008 Centro with no missing/jumbled fields or corruption.

Assuming Palm doesn't show something Nova-related soon....I may very likely at least consider jumping ship to a BB Thunder since my 755p's digitizer has started fading on me (what a surprise!) and Verizon cannot seem to find any units anywhere (refurb or otherwise) to offer as warranty replacements.

P.S. I still say Nova ain't comin'...and if it is, we won't see it before this time next year by which point it'll be far too late for Palm.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/8/2008 6:52:33 AM # Q
I'm not talking Nova (nor am I talking Windows Mobile) - I'm talking "Garnet".

Strictly low-functionality for low-end consumer almost-commodity phones.

Nova is that Tween-OS that's supposed to be for the prosumer; not discussing that one, don't think there's much hope for Palm there (*).

And, of course, Windows Mobile for The Enterprise is currently a joke w.r.t. Palm - essentially no Enterprise presence.

Nope, just discussing PalmOS 6 as being an "enhanced" Garnet and strictly being installed on the lowest-end Palm phones.

=========

(*) It remains totally possible that Nova will be a multi-device OS allowing total inter-device comms; that might be a good selling point for a prosumer...

Yeah, we're talking Palm so maybe not, but ya never know!

Just wish we'd get a little more (like ANY) detail about it released/leaked, huh?

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/8/2008 8:21:43 AM # Q
Remember when I hypothesized that, in an effort to stay in business, Palm & Access might start working together more closely to cobble the best bits of Garnet, ALP, and possibly even Cobalt into a "Palm OS 5.9"? Basically Garnet-based but with its most glaring deficiencies addressed (yes, I know you said "think dumbphone" but still). I'm no OS guru but would be it be THAT hard to shoehorn, say, >4GB file volume recognition, BT 2.0/A2DP and >128mb RAM capabilities into Garnet?

Again, going back to 2003 here.....Cobalt was SUPPOSED to be the enhanced Garnet, remember?

I just think that the MAJOR stumbling block Palm's gonna run into here is going to be Garnet's lack of multi-tasking/multi-threading and its shoddy telephony stack. EVDO Rev. A and GSM UMTS/HSPA all require simultaneous processes. And you don't exactly tweak an aging OS in a fortnight to be a smooth multi-tasker so it can do stuff like simultaneous voice/data some of the cheapest dumbphones can do nowadays.

So I think that Palm is basically stuck to go a US-only, CDMA EVDO Rev. 0-exclusive strategy from here on (as I think the GSM carriers are going to want to move past EDGE on even the cheapest handsets pretty soon). But let's use the example of saying the kids want to enjoy high-quality audio playback on their new gadgets: What's a cheaper way for Palm to extend Garnet's life expectancy for another year--cobble together OS improvements (native A2DP and/or licensing & tweaking Audio Gateway) or just try to spec the best hardware (3.5mm headphone jack) that Garnet can support & allowed by the margins on a <$99 handset?

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/8/2008 8:43:54 AM # Q
Maybe the new slogan should be:

== "We tried harder."

Take the following with a pound of salt, of course, but it IS Yet Another Datapoint:

- http://tinyurl.com/employeecomplaint

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/8/2008 9:29:56 AM # Q
Totally and utterly unsurprising. I mean, he doesn't offer up any solid PROOF but Palm has getting by on their cash reserves, their brand equity, smoke'n mirrors marketing and a wing & a prayer for, oh, three years or so now. It was bound to catch up to them eventually.

On a related note, where's the Wanda? I was supposed to have come out last month!

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9536/palm-wanda-treo-500-successor-leaked/

Are they jettisoning future product as well as employees now? Maybe the company is planning to EOL *EVERYTHING* other than variants of the Treo Pro and the Centro?

Meanwhile, the 1-2-3 punch of the new touchscreen BB Storm, Xperia X1 and of course the iPhone 3G shows that Palm is lagging EVERYONE in releasing a modern, large-screened device.

P.S.
Fearless prediction o' the day: Palm will release a Verizonized 800w, a CDMA Treo Pro for Sprint and a few "limited eidtion" Centro colors between now and Q1 '09 as their swan song as a standalone corporate entity.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/8/2008 10:22:50 AM # Q
RE: new slogan
DarthRepublican @ 10/8/2008 7:24:37 PM # Q
Let me start out by saying that at this point, the gloom and doom talk on this site is mostly Palm's fault. They've consistently refused to tell us anything significant about Nova and their last attempt at a game-changing device, the Foleo, was a textbook cast in how *not* to roll out a new product. With that in mind let me say what I'd do if I were in charge of Palm. (Hey everybody else around here does that, right?)

First of all, I'd absolutely put out a 480x320 phone. Whether they call it a Treo, Centro, Nova, or Steve is less important than the fact that big, rectangular screens display more information and are simply nicer than small, square ones and that Palm can charge more for a phone with a big screen. Keep a mildly refreshed Centro as the entry level device and push upgraders to the bigger-screened, more expensive deluxe version. I'd use a slider to keep it small. Whatever anyone says about the Tungsten T3's reliability, the fact is that it's one of the most fondly remembered Palm devices mostly because of its compact size and rich feature set.

Second, I'd bring out the Nova OS early even if the UI isn't ready. I'm assuming that Nova is still in the pipeline and that the kernel at least is ready. (If it's not, then HKK's gloomy claim that Nova will never come out is likely true and there's not much point in being here anyway.) I'd pair that kernel with a Garnet emulator. (Backward compatibility is essential for me. Without it, I might as well just move to the iPhone, Android, or even Windows Mobile.) If Access can bring out a Garnet emulator, so should Palm.

Put the emulator, a skinning application, and a modern web browser on a fully buzzword compliant phone with up to date wifi, bluetooth, with 4GB of memory and an SDIO slot that accommodates the largest capacity cards possible, a nice keyboard, and a slider that opens up to reveal a big screen. Then you'd have a modern, good-looking device that is backward compatible with previous Palm devices that will carry Palm into the future and take the pressure off of the Nova project. Hell, if Palm could replace the underlying kernel and allow Garnet to transcend its limitations, they might discover that they don't need a new OS. HKK's prediction would come true but it would be a good thing for Palm since it would allow them to start over again but this time with a solid foundation to build upon.

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/8/2008 8:17:34 PM # Q

>I'd bring out the Nova OS early even if the UI isn't ready.

an unfinished, buggy UI ain't going to be good for anybody.

>Backward compatibility is essential for me.

you're in the minority of palmos users.

>I'd use a slider to keep it small.

slider = PIA and moving parts = failure

>with 4GB of memory

hell will freeze over before you see this. how long did it take them to scale up to 128MB???



RE: new slogan
DarthRepublican @ 10/8/2008 11:09:41 PM # Q

>I'd bring out the Nova OS early even if the UI isn't ready.

an unfinished, buggy UI ain't going to be good for anybody.

Which is why in the rest of my post, I said that I'd use the Garnet UI on top of the Nova kernel. That would be a win, win for me - a proven, intuitive OS running atop
a modern, stable kernel.


>Backward compatibility is essential for me.

you're in the minority of palmos users.

Am I? You've taken a poll? Can I see the numbers?


>I'd use a slider to keep it small.

slider = PIA and moving parts = failure

Tell that the to all the Tungsten T3 fans who put up with the occasional failing slider or missing screw because they liked the form factor. The slider is no different from a clamshell in this respect - it allows the manufacturer to reduce the bulk of their device at the expense of creating a point of failure but if the device is cheap enough or if Q&A is good enough, it can be worth it for both the manufacturer and the user.


>with 4GB of memory

hell will freeze over before you see this. how long did it take them to scale up to 128MB???

The LifeDrive had a 4GB hard drive three years ago. The Tungsten T5 had 256MB four years ago. Since then, memory prices and density have improved to the point where it would probably be difficult to find OEM chips with less than 128MB. The bottom line is that everybody on this site keeps screaming that Palm needs to do something to improve their devices. Adding more memory is probably cheaper and easier than anything else that Palm could do.

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/9/2008 9:00:43 AM # Q
Good point. As I basically stated/asked earlier (to SV), it might honestly be cheaper for Palm to just stick in a 2gb or 4gb internal flash module (ala T5 and like what the latest BlackBerries have) in a future Garnet device, especially if they want to try to work around Garnet's problems with volumes larger than 4GB.

At any rate, Palm SHOULD have to do something to address in one form or another Garnet's 4GB ceiling, as 16GB microSDHC cards are now hitting the market and 32GB fullsize SDHC cards have been around for a bit already and are dropping in price.


So just for shiits'n giggles, let's speculate what a Centro 2 could potentially include:

-2GB internal storage volume (with a return of "Drive Mode")
-Higher-capacity battery (1350-1500mAh)
-2megapixel camera
-3.5mm headphone jack
-microUSB port
-Slightly larger 320x320 LCD (Treo Pro-sized?)
-New Eco-friendly Treo Pro style packaging

That's assuming the core OS & bundled software functionality remains basically unchanged, save for maybe some stuff like Palm's Facebook app & the latest version of Google Maps in ROM. PTunes & DTG are essentially unchanged from the first Centro.

For the first time basically since the T3 in 2003, Palm has a device whose performance is up to par and expectations. With the Centro, Palm FINALLY got most of the various quirks worked out of NVFS. So with a fundamentally snappy device in the Centro, it would seem that they could maybe spend a bit more on the hardware side of things this time around since all of the easy OS stuff (lag, etc) has already been fixed and the big stuff (multitasking, GSM 3G etc) isn't gonna be fixed.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/9/2008 4:58:33 PM # Q

palm has neither the ability nor desire to fight and win a feature/spec war. they will continue to live off of the goodwill of their loyal customers.

RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/10/2008 3:37:34 AM # Q
> ...they will continue to live off of the goodwill of their
> loyal customers.

Haven't been reading (ex)FanboyCentral recently, huh?

RE: new slogan
PacManFoo @ 10/10/2008 7:47:09 AM # Q
the goodwill of their loyal customers

the goodwill of their remaining customer.

There I corrected it for him.

The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a PLAM TX to a Newton MP2000!
http://newtonpda.googlepages.com

RE: new slogan
Foo Fighter @ 10/10/2008 3:32:25 PM # Q
they will continue to live off of the goodwill of their loyal customers.

You mean that last remaining guy in the corner who still carries a Palm IIIc synced (how quaint the term) with his Windows 98 PC?

--------
Tech writer, weblogs inc. http://www.tuaw.com

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/10/2008 3:42:54 PM # Q
So Kent, what's your expert take on all of this?

Will Nova come out Q2 '09, be delayed until 2010 or never come out at all? Furthermore, do you think Nova is/was ever a real project or just smoke & mirros designed to fool Palm's shareholders into thinking they are busy doing SOMETHING other than trying to cook up new Centro colors and sell the company?


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RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/10/2008 4:14:04 PM # Q
>You mean that last remaining guy in the corner who still carries a Palm IIIc synced (how quaint the term) with his Windows 98 PC?

yes! aka MikeCon!

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/10/2008 4:22:45 PM # Q

interesting rumor that MSFT may buy RIMM at $50/share............

that'll make things interesting.....................

nasty week in the markets............president obama scares me......

time to get some cocktails and some p***y...........

good night all.............

RE: new slogan
mikecane @ 10/12/2008 8:08:16 AM # Q
Update your Mike Cane Envy File, Gekko.

I never had a IIIc (ew!). And I'm using XP.

So, Lexusboi, have they repossessed yours yet?

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/13/2008 11:06:54 AM # Q

no, i own it. but i, like many others, have gotten pretty beat up the last few weeks. but, unlike you, i believe in America.

RE: new slogan
abosco @ 10/13/2008 1:05:25 PM # Q
Gekko, you mean you haven't jumped on the bandwagon and started advocating socialism like the Democrats, Republicans, and media?

For shame!! Don't you know regulation solves everything!?

(Obvious sarcasm)

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: new slogan - Yup new colors do it!
SeldomVisitor @ 10/14/2008 7:18:24 AM # Q
RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/14/2008 8:14:40 AM # Q
All joking & criticisms aside, this is a surprisingly good move by Palm and a rather significant milestone here for the Palm faithful. To double the RAM on any Palm OS is significant and it's VERY much unlike Palm to do it without making a new model. For example, 700w--700wx. I'm assuming they are either going to pass on a Garnet-powered Centro 2 or are going to save that until next year. But for a quick refresh heading into the holidays this is a fantastic move, considering they had to work within the constraints of the original Centro formfactor.

It'll be interesting to see if these improvements trickle down to the Verizon (unlikely) or GSM (even less likely) versions. I also wonder if Palm had to resort to any trickery such crippling the device's DBheap/cache in order to free up the extra space. Remember, most of the recent Garnet-based smartphones have advertised 128mb RAM with ~60mb available for user storage. And the 700wx was often rumored to just be a 700w with "stuff" stripped out.

The combination of 2x the memory, soft-touch paint, improved ROM software bundle and a lower MSRP isn't going to knock Apple or RIM off of their perches but it's a sign that Palm's not totally asleep at the wheel and does a fair bit to improve the Centro's perceived value. Remember that we were just discussing the other day if Palm would be better off throwing $ at fixing the Centro's hardware vs. Garnet? I suppose this is our answer.

For the purposes of the Palm OS, I'd much rather have the speed & flexibility of 64mb more space internally than a 1gb microSD card thrown in the box as a freebie.
The extra memory will definitely come in handy for storing pics/e-mails etc (and keep in mind that the previous Centro had more usable storage space than any previous Garnet smartphone). I still find 64mb a bit tight at times but 100mb+ on my TX & Zod 2 was more than sufficient for my needs.

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RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/14/2008 8:56:02 AM # Q
RE: new slogan
SeldomVisitor @ 10/14/2008 9:00:02 AM # Q
> ...To double the RAM on any Palm OS is significant...

It is not significant at all to the consumer set that the Centro has sold into; they haven't got a clue about either RAM nor programmability.

They like QWERTY keyboards and MAYBE touchscreens. Adding extra memory is a "Meh..." to them.

Colligan's words:

== "...the average consumer who is walking in considering a Centro versus
== any other product at that price point, even against feature phones, is a
== little less driven by features and functionality and the capabilities of
== the product..."


RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/14/2008 9:03:51 AM # Q
LOL, I was JUST about to post this very same link and say "SV, here is that armada of QWERTY dumbphones you were waitin' for!"

In all seriousness, it's too bad Palm hasn't decided to share the Centro hardware update love with other carriers. Or perhaps AT&T and Verizon have too much old Centro inventory still clogging the channel.

The GSM Centro, lacking 3G, is probably really going to suffer the most in the short-term without some drastic price reductions (I'm talking domestically, I would assume the situation abroad is no better).

I STILL am stunned that Palm didn't make a bigger push and try to call this the "Centro X" or "Centro 2" or something. Unless...downplaying the RAM boost keeps them from having to get it recertified by the FCC AND lets them say "3 million Centros sold" instead of having to start over again from scratch with a new SKU.

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RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/14/2008 11:30:53 AM # Q

bosco - have faith, the conservatives have lost the battle, but not the war!

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/14/2008 11:32:15 AM # Q
RE: new slogan
AdamaDBrown @ 10/14/2008 1:47:55 PM # Q
hkk, if a change to a device doesn't affect how it transmits, then you don't have to get it recertified by the FCC. And if it does affect transmission, then not changing the name won't help you.

I read this as a sign that the Centro is not going to be either replaced or retired any time soon, and that they'll be continuing to milk it. Otherwise there'd be no reason to make the upgrade.

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/14/2008 2:15:12 PM # Q
Thanks, Adama. I was always a little hazy on what kinds of changes necessitated recertification. Someone here a while back had said ANY internal changes but I figured that would be a bit much, even for the feds.

Maybe this "quiet" Centro upgrade is a sign that....umm......Nova isn't coming anytime soon?



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RE: new slogan
AdamaDBrown @ 10/15/2008 1:19:22 PM # Q
Anything about the radio, maybe, but you can drop in new flash or a replacement CPU without it being a big deal.

Re: Nova, hard to say. There's another way to interpret it, that they don't want to bother launching a new model when they're planning on phasing out Garnet entirely, and so do a placeholder refresh.

Honestly though, I just don't get this move very much. Another 60 MB of flash hardly seems like a selling point to me, particularly when they're barely advertising that fact. If I were doing a minor refresh on the Centro, I'd boost it to 512 MB or something substantial like that. Flash memory is so dirt cheap that you could even do a Centro Premium with 4 GB or so for a SRP of $129, without retooling the chassis (which is usually the most expensive part of production changes).

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/15/2008 1:51:02 PM # Q

1. is there a limit to how much RAM Garnet can handle?

2. specs don't sell phones, features do.

3. i go to palm.com store and see no store or link to buy apps or mp3s or videos. why not set this up? shiit, partner with amazon or someone if you have to.

4. update palm desktop to include an itunes module - helps fight apple.

5. create a better "mobileme" like a "mypalm" to sync PIM data via cloud via push - helps fight blackberry.

6. these guys at palm are like pigeons in a cage. they just sit there and take it. i can't understand it. so many opportunities lost. over and over again. what do they waste their limited time and resources on? fooleo.


RE: new slogan
AdamaDBrown @ 10/15/2008 7:03:41 PM # Q
1. I don't know, but I imagine it would probably be similar to the memory card limit.

2. True to an extent, but large storage is a feature.

3. I agree. There should be an available media store as well as an app store. Both should work either from the PC or direct to the device. If you don't have the third-party ecosystem, you need to build your own.

RE: new slogan
Gekko @ 10/15/2008 7:40:20 PM # Q

>5. create a better "mobileme" like a "mypalm" to sync PIM data via cloud via push - helps fight blackberry.

maybe buy or partner with a company like mail2web.com and offer a free or low cost palm-branded subscription push email exchange server/cloud PIM solution with specialized app(s)? think outside the box!

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/15/2008 9:07:32 PM # Q
1. Unless something has changed recently, Garnet supports a maximum of 128MB of RAM (user-accessible storage, at least).

2. True....but I'd say the best combo of utility & features is a decent amount of onboard storage + a removable memory card slot (ala the BB Bold). With Palm's 4GB card size limit under Garnet, having a fair amount of onboard storage should be even more essential, IMO.

3. Palm doesn't care. All they want to do is sell as many Treos and Centros as possible right now without having to expend any $ on any "fluff". They couldn't manage to turn the promising MyPalm portal into anything more than a product-specific support site, so I doubt they'd have the focus/enthusiasm to make a serious go of an online media & app store.

4. Access and Palm don't care. They have the basic functionality of Palm Desktop working under Vista for Garnet devices and Winmob 6 devices play nice natively with Vista. So, Palm Desktop in its current form will basically remain a piece of beta (semi)orphanware.

5. See #3.."doesn't care"

6. They are not like pigeons, they're more like victims of a sinking ship treading water (before which they were rearranging the deck chairs before the ship went down). Palm uses their limited resources in order to buy them more time, quarter after quarter. It's turning into a very long, protracted death spiral and/or the extended motions of trying to find a suitor to gobble them up for a pretty penny (whichever comes first).

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RE: new slogan
abosco @ 10/18/2008 11:27:35 AM # Q
Gekko - I'm aware of the Bosco references, and I love them.

For example, this was Friday night for me:

http://tinyurl.com/6rxgpb

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

Attn: Mike Cane-your new netbook is almost here!
hkklife @ 10/23/2008 10:02:14 PM # Q
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2008/10/23/eee-pc-with-dedicated-graphics-080328/

I have a feeling I may be all over this sucker in a few months if the price is halfway reasonable on it!


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RE: new slogan
mikecane @ 10/24/2008 11:15:06 AM # Q
Um, no. I do not like the Asus keyboards. And dedicated graphics - for what? I don't do games and it'll probably cut down battery life.

MSI Wind is still the best:
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/micro-fondle-msi-wind-at-jr/

Disclaimer: Haven't seen or fondled the Samsung or Lenovo ones yet. (But I did do the S101 from Asus and didn't even bother with crapcam pics. $700 for an ATOM CPU? Hilarious!!)

RE: new slogan
hkklife @ 10/24/2008 11:39:15 AM # Q
Oh that's right! I keep forgetting you don't like the Asus KB. I know you aren't into the "zoom zoom" games but wasn't it you that was moaning about the current crop of netbooks' inability to play 720p+ video? I'd personally love to have a "light gaming" netbook. I'd load it up with a bunch of Steam titles and emulators and be rockin'!

Have you seen the latest MSI Wind 1.09 BIOS update? It permits "official" overclocking up to nearly 2ghz on the puny Atom and allocated more RAM to the GMA950 if you have 2gb installed. I still like the EEE's featureset and build quality but the Wind has a much more populated online community due to all of those Wind rebrands out there and it's a nicer size for traveling. The overclocking is now icing on the cake. The Lenovo units lack a 3rd USB port which is critical for me.

That said, either unit is superb. I've only fondled the Acer AspireOne in comparison (plus the old EEE 4G I used to own) and while it's a great little unit, I insist on a 10" netbook

P.S. Mike, the Treo Pro is reportably at J&R now for hands-on fondling. Ya might wanna check it out the next time you stop in there.

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RE: new slogan
mikecane @ 10/24/2008 4:35:36 PM # Q
>>>wasn't it you that was moaning about the current crop of netbooks' inability to play 720p+ video?

Ew. No. Never. I'm not one of those HD freaks (OK, they have lotsa $$$, so: freaques).

Listen, I haven't touched a Palm since the Centro at Digital Life Expo back when. I have no desire to filthy my fingrrz with the The Last Gasp Treo.

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Does that mean we beat the spread?

JonAcheson @ 10/7/2008 8:42:16 AM # Q
Because otherwise fourth place isn't all that good.

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
RE: Does that mean we beat the spread?
Rastick @ 10/7/2008 12:12:07 PM # Q
No WinMo devices in the top four! Do you think any Microsoft licensee's product made even the top five?

RE: Does that mean we beat the spread?
Gekko @ 10/7/2008 12:58:18 PM # Q

MSFT has 55 licensees. hence, their market share is fragmented amongst many devices, silly.



RE: Does that mean we beat the spread?
joad @ 10/7/2008 10:36:59 PM # Q
...and Palm now basically has ONE "active" PalmOS device - the Centro.

With as many color, radio and sequin options to match the number of WinMob manufacturers...

And what they're calling the new "Treo" sure looks like basically a lousy Centro to me...


Paying my annual PDA update tax to Palm since 1997.

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Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...

Gekko @ 10/16/2008 6:43:37 PM # Q

how do you save the company?

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
nastebu @ 10/16/2008 8:08:30 PM # Q
I'd take a long sniff of ALP. If I thought it had a future and that it was very good. I'd license it. If not, Android.

(I'd also be negotiating a mighty fine golden parachute.)

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
Rastick @ 10/16/2008 11:02:00 PM # Q
and for about the next 12 months you inherit the effects of the decisions made by those who came before. That is the reality of the situation.
RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
SeldomVisitor @ 10/17/2008 4:46:06 AM # Q
About 18-ish months ago, maybe a couple more, Palm decided the company could NOT be saved and that the best route for them to follow was to sell it. They tried to sell it and failed (to get a bid satisfactory enough - same thing). They instead ended up selling one quarter of the company and returning a massive amount of the cash they had to the shareholders; this was a very good move for the shareholders because it gave them back essentially half of the company's value right up front - that is, it decreased (dramatically) the inherent value of the company SUDDENLY and did so by actually giving it to shareholders rather than letting that value trickle away slowly as the company did worse and worse and burned up that cash fruitlessly (of course, the corollary is that the company has significantly decreased lifetime should their all-or-nothing gamble not pay off). To do all this they went from a huge cash position and no debt to a low-cash position and massive debt. At this time and probably at LEAST for quarters to come they're decreasing the value of the company by having negative results - they are not profitable.

So...how to SAVE the company =now=?

Maybe what's being done behind the scenes IS the best way to do that still. Since they made the decision a lot of stuff like the iPhone has clobbered them, true, but they really don't have many alternatives to following the same course.

Perhaps selling the Centro line to someone could garner enough money to pay off their debt and pull in some more bucks for their shareholders? Maybe not...those preferred shares of the original deal have some special privileges that might stop that thought.

Palm lives in interesting times...

==========

The thoughts behind the first couple paragraphs above are taken directly from "The History of The Transaction" as filed by Palm with the SEC - Def14A or something like that.


RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
hkklife @ 10/17/2008 7:34:31 AM # Q
But, SV, what is being done behind the scenes right now?

1. A group of tightly focused, competent individuals are making a Herculean effort to finish up Nova and it'll hit the market in 8-9 months and blow everyone's socks off

2. Palm's quietly pruning employees & costs while STILL searching for a buyer for the company. Their "R&D" efforts now consist of haggling with various ODMs for the next "me too" Windows Mobile device and talking to people from Pantone about what the next quarter's trendy colors are going to be so the next Centro refresh can be done.

3. It'd be silly to sell the Centro line, considering that:

A. The Centro line consists of ONE single product (in CDMA or GSM version). How much could they get for that? B. It's based on absolutely antiquated technology (hardware & software) that would have ZERO value to anyone else without the brand equity of "Palm" and the Garnet OS on it C. Comprises the entirety of Palm's "current" Palm OS lineup D. Despite their thin margins, Centro sales are probably propping up the company's consistently underperforming WM handsets right now. I also have a sneaking suspicion that the Centro volumes (at this point) aren't THAT bad--IMO, Palm just probably wants it to sound so to keep everyone from figuring out that their high-margin WM devices are just trickling into users' hands. If the Centro's margins were THAT bad at this stage of the game, I doubt Palm would be doubling the RAM, adding soft-touch paint and improving the software bundle while simultaneously lowering the price.


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RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
SeldomVisitor @ 10/17/2008 8:53:10 AM # Q
I believe they are still trying to sell the company or part of it. I believe the (weak) evidence is they continue to cut the company down in size (or the equivalent of that - removing expensive labor and replacing by cheap labor). I believe they are going to TRY to hit the ball out of the park with Nova but maybe NOT by simply introducing a phone with it, but a component system (as I mentioned I wanted years and years ago); the way things move with the competition, though, I think a (necessary) homerun is unlikely.

====

Donna Dubinsky stopped selling shares back when Palm said they were gonna try to sell themselves; she hasn't restarted that selling. Maybe her shares are all "free" now so she has no concern about final valuation or maybe Palm's still trying to sell and she's restricted from selling still.

Hawkins, on the other hand, said he became an ex-something and dropped off the Insider Sales because of that (though Palm's web pages continue to insist he's an Insider...weird...).

So, anyway, I think Palm's still trying to dump themselves off on someone while simultaneously spending what little precious cash they have left to develop Nova et al.

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
dmitrygr @ 10/17/2008 11:24:26 AM # Q
Buy the rights to the source of OS 5.0, add protected memory model, export multithreading API. Release a new OS that is binarily compatible with OS5, but is stable and allows all the new features (liek multitasking)

[oh wait...someone is doing that...me]

Get into serious talks with Apple(those 800,000 palm apps won't port themselves) since PIM is still iPhone's weakest[read: nonexistent] side.

------
Software engineer at PalmPowerups.com
TH55/U + T|X2 + T|E2 + Zire 72 + Zire 31 + Visor Prism + WristPDA

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
AdamaDBrown @ 10/17/2008 11:32:53 AM # Q
1. I'd drag Garnet out behind the chemical sheds and shoot it in the head. They should have had a new platform years ago.

2. Jump on board with Android. It's new enough that there's not a lot of competition yet, but it's popular enough that it wouldn't be a herculean task to drum up interest.

3. Invest some money in design research. The styling and build on the last set of Treos and Centros has been generally just bad. Compare the Treo 800w to something like the Samsung models, say the Blackjack II. You'll find that the Treo is a much less ergonomic and aesthetically pleasing device.

4. A spate of new models. My first choices would be a dual-flip smartphone, not dissimilar from the Samsung Alias; a side-sliding businessphone in the style of the Touch Pro or SE Xperia; and a tablet media player/web browser with a big screen, like a slimmed down and sexed up version of the iPAQ 210.

5. Get in bed with Sprint/Clearwire. Be the first one to get a WiMAX smartphone on the market, followed closely by a WiMAX-enabled media tablet.

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
SeldomVisitor @ 10/17/2008 12:02:25 PM # Q
> ...Release a new OS that is binarily compatible with OS5, but is
> stable and allows all the new features (liek multitasking)
>
> [oh wait...someone is doing that...me]...

!!!

But WAIT!

Yer supposed to be porting Android to the Treo Pro!

Get to it! You have a mid-December deadline!


RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
Gekko @ 10/17/2008 1:45:30 PM # Q

well i think we are making some progress. not one response saying "I'd roll out new PDAs!"

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
hkklife @ 10/17/2008 2:47:40 PM # Q
I would either EOL all of the current PDAs aside from the TX, after swiftly cutting its price down to $150 or EOL all of the current PDAs and bring out two new models:

1. A "low-cost" single Garnet PDA that is situated somewhere in between the Z22 & E2

2. A Nokia N810-style WiMax web tablet/PMP that was both sold at retail and sold through, say, Sprint stores. If I were Palm I'd might even roll the dics & bet the farm on WiMax, as Adama suggests.

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RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
AdamaDBrown @ 10/20/2008 12:02:57 AM # Q
I think that betting on WiMAX really only makes sense at this point. What is there to wait for, exactly? More coverage? Great, but it's not like Sprint/Clearwire and Intel aren't dedicated to pushing this network. If they go for a WiMAX enabled smartphone and an iPaq or Nokia style media tablet now, then they should be ready to roll around the time Sprint XOHM coverage is hitting a bunch more major cities.

It would be particularly smart to work with Sprint to develop a cheaper "pay per use" type model: instead of a fixed monthly rate, offer the option for people to pre-pay at $2 per 24 hours of use or the like. Provide two weeks worth of credits with any new device to get them hooked.

One way or another they have to stabilize a revenue stream not associated with the carriers. The subsidized race-to-the-bottom business model is slowly killing them.

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
Gekko @ 10/20/2008 5:52:51 AM # Q

1. wimax is not complete and broad enough geographically at this time.
2. the masses don't know or care what wimax is.
3. the masses will not/can not pay for an additional duplicative mobile data service.
4. people don't want to carry another duplicative device.
5. cell voice/data rates keep dropping.
6. a wimax hardware tablet/pda-like product introduced now would fail.
7. the carrier subsidized model can work - look at apple.

RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
twrock @ 10/20/2008 1:41:53 PM # Q
For those of you who think Android is the solution, here's another perspective:
http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64863.html


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
PacManFoo @ 10/20/2008 2:15:02 PM # Q
well i think we are making some progress. not one response saying "I'd roll out new PDAs!"

Well first thing I would do is roll out new PDA's! I would make three different PDA models, one would be a media centric PDA which would compete with the iPod Touch, one would be a business centric PDA that would be bundled with business apps right out of the box, and the last would be a redesigned TE2 that sold for $50 in blister packs next to calculators. I would then roll out a new color scheme about every three months to say I've updated my models. I would EOL all smartphones and get out of the cell phone business. I would then start leaning the company to developing a more advanced PDA/Internet Tablet/Media Player all in one device and an online service that kept which ever files you determined constantly in sync with both your computer and this new device. I would then do as all "great" Palm CEO have done and line my own pockets so that when I am outed I will be set for life. I almost forget! I would change the Palm logo back to blue.

The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a PLAM TX to a Newton MP2000!
http://newtonpda.googlepages.com

For the rest of you out there, this...
SeldomVisitor @ 10/23/2008 5:27:09 AM # Q
RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
Gekko @ 10/23/2008 7:01:42 AM # Q

IMIO, with his talent, he should focus on iphone apps and shoot for the $100,000/day app store earnings potential. what waste your time or a dead/dying platform and also run the very high probability of getting sued for his trouble? don't step in front of a steamroller to pick up pennies when there's less risky dollars out there to be had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEDxZGn4GiE



RE: Today you are made CEO of Palm, Inc...
Gekko @ 10/23/2008 7:06:59 AM # Q

Sean Ambrose: [disguised as Ethan Hunt] You keep calling me Dimitri. You really shouldn't.
Dr. Nekhorvich: You are not Dimitri?
[Ambrose knocks him out]
Sean Ambrose: No



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