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Palm OS Blogger Tam Hanna has found what may be some early versions of the unnannounced Tungsten E 2 handheld from palmOne. The images leaked out from the FCC, however not many specific details are known.
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wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handhelds

Frenchie @ 1/6/2005 3:23:39 PM # Q
It definatly looks like a fake nothing more nothing less.

I'd laugh my head off if they had Cobalt on it ;)

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p

RE: wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handhelds
Admin @ 1/6/2005 3:26:42 PM # Q
If you look through the PIC rumor archive:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news_center.asp?mode=more&ID=4

We posted details about the TE 2 over a year ago! Turned out to be the T5! Rumors after all, are rumors, not always fact, though PIC is more often than not correct when we report on them...

RE: wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handhelds
Frenchie @ 1/6/2005 3:28:26 PM # Q
OMG THE TE2 WILL ALSO INCLUDE DUEL WIRELESS,VIBRATING ALARM,AND A VOICE RECORDER ALL FOR THE LOW LOW PRICE OF 200$ !!!!!!!!!

hahahahahahaha the real and only question

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p

RE: wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handhelds
batmon @ 1/6/2005 3:29:10 PM # Q
That look just like TE 1. I don't get it...

Give me an internal Wifi b/g so I can free up my SD slot, please.

RE: wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handhelds
EdFrmBrighthand @ 1/6/2005 3:36:53 PM # Q
I first heard of this yesterday on a tip from Dave's PDA Place. That site has a link to the FCC approval information. Unfortunately, since then the documents have been removed from the FCC site. Not surprising, as I'm sure they were posted by mistake.

Anyway, to make a long story short (too late!), this isn't a fake. Instead, it is one of those screwup that give handheld makers ulcers.

-Ed



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RE: wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handhelds
Frenchie @ 1/6/2005 3:44:58 PM # Q
ok i take back what i said. No form factor change and a new athena connector instead of mini usb. Why is pa1m trying to make all of their new handhelds look like a TE???

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handh
Hazniet @ 1/6/2005 4:34:03 PM # Q
Why would P1 make all their PDA's look like the TE...hmm...maybe because it is one of the best selling PDA's they have ever made. Companies want to make money while creating a unique style (apple ipod anyone?)

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RE: wow fakers are already spreadingh rumors about new handh
Puppy @ 1/6/2005 5:11:23 PM # Q
Not news, the T|E 2 was released a couple of months ago!

Now where's the T|T 5 we've been waiting for?

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Is he stealing credit?

mikecane @ 1/6/2005 3:27:13 PM # Q
AFAIK, Dave's PDA Place site was the first with this news.

http://www.davespda.com/index.php?itemid=172

I even pointed to that:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7456#102212

RE: Is he stealing credit?
Admin @ 1/6/2005 3:31:34 PM # Q
I didn't have time to source this article this morning, but Tam link's to it, so I will edit later if credit is due.
RE: Is he stealing credit?
mikecane @ 1/6/2005 3:33:33 PM # Q
Well, it was a question. I could still be wrong about Dave's Place, but his site is what everyone else is linking to and he has the most info, AFAIK.

RE: Is he stealing credit?
shsgil @ 1/6/2005 5:46:06 PM # Q
WOW! Learn to put the right source! Tamspalm didn't even get the information!
RE: Is he stealing credit?
Tamog @ 1/7/2005 9:15:15 AM # Q
Now, time for myself to answer here!
If you could have looked at my blog, it clearly says that the data is indeed coming from Daves PDA place. I took the photos from there, but thought of the text and interpreted the data(the Zire 72 similarities) on my own!
I have mentioned the proper source in my blog, and am sorry for any inconviniences..
Please mail me if there are furhter questions remaining!
Best Regards
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: Is he stealing credit?
mikecane @ 1/7/2005 10:21:31 AM # Q
No problem. I didn't get to your site, obviously.

RE: Is he stealing credit?
shsgil @ 1/7/2005 2:22:23 PM # Q
Tam - You aren't in the wrong here. PIC is. While they can of course link you to you, they site you as being the source of the information from the FCC, which is not the case. Tam you have journalistic integrity, but PIC seems to not care to go the extra step to find a source.
RE: Is he stealing credit?
Tamog @ 1/10/2005 3:55:02 PM # Q
Hi,
IMHO PIC isn't wrong here either! DavesPDA sourced the Images, but I did all the interpretation by myself!
PIC doesn't always choose the raw unfiltered data, but chose to send some interpretastion with it. I think that both TamsPalm and the PIC have no journalistic disintegrity, and refuse to accept any such claims about either my blog or the PIC.
Best regards
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: Is he stealing credit?
Admin @ 1/10/2005 5:27:53 PM # Q
long story short, I posted this article in a hurry!
-Ryan
RE: Is he stealing credit?
mikecane @ 1/11/2005 2:46:20 PM # Q
Calm down. It's all sorted out. Next!

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To Late, TE2 was already released....

bsquare @ 1/6/2005 3:27:48 PM # Q

Back in October 2004...

Seriously, after the T5 does anyone even care what palmOne has up their short sleeve anymore? I'm sorry, yes, Treo users care. That's about it.

RE: To Late, TE2 was already released....
mtt @ 1/6/2005 4:52:35 PM # Q
Yup,the only thing anybody really cares about is the new Treos. Palmone is dead as far as an innovative maker of interesting devices.

By the way, what is the next Treo gonna be like?

Handspring Visor, Palm V, Treo 180, Treo 90
MTT

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"PDA" with HD

mikecane @ 1/6/2005 3:31:37 PM # Q
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=3900

-- first Sharp with their Zaurus, now this oddity.

palmOne will do it in, oh, ten more years... they have to make sure people really *want* it.

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LiveFaith @ 1/7/2005 12:27:12 AM # Q
TE2 (real one) will have flash mem!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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Is that an Athena connecter at the bottem of the TE2?

Frenchie @ 1/6/2005 3:41:37 PM # Q
hhhmmm no mini usb. New athena connector support?

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
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Déjà vu all over again...

Captain Hair @ 1/6/2005 3:25:11 PM # Q
You know, that looks mysteriously like the T5. Also, wouldn't it be the Tungsten E2 (as opposed to Tungsten TE2)? But I did notice that it has a multi-connector instead of the mini-USB that the TE had. Overall, it looks rather familiar. I think that this design may have been beat into the digital ground, with the T5. Damn, I can't call that the TE2 anymore.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."
RE: Déjà vu all over again...
Frenchie @ 1/6/2005 3:46:43 PM # Q
nope we can now call this PDA the new PalmOne Tungsten E3 ;)

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: Déjà vu all over again...
ackmondual @ 1/6/2005 8:55:37 PM # Q
I've always called the T5 ... T3b, as opposed to the T3a. Unlike the numbering scheme going from T3 to T5, the T5 is really a sidegrade and not an upgrade.

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looks like paintshop

happypalms @ 1/6/2005 4:42:02 PM # Q

This looks like someone took an T|E th paintshop

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Palm m130 -> Tungsten|T -> Tungsten|T3

RE: looks like paintshop
LiveFaith @ 1/7/2005 12:28:37 AM # Q
RE: looks like paintshop
Tamog @ 1/7/2005 9:17:47 AM # Q
Man, this images are coming from the FCC home page. Us government institution, multi-million $$$ company, doesnt have time or money to make paintshop mockups...
Just my personal oppinion
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
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Basically the E with new connector and Bluetooth.

JonAcheson @ 1/6/2005 4:44:40 PM # Q
I don't see myself upgrading from the E I have, but on the other hand, it's nice to see some incremental upgrades.

And all the people complaining about the E not having Bluetooth will finally be happy. Maybe.

Jon Acheson

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: Basically the E with new connector and Bluetooth.
canyonblue737 @ 1/9/2005 1:16:30 PM # Q
well it has:

1. bluetooth
2. new battery failure proof memory
3. 18 bit screen instead of 16 bit

i am guessing it all has:

4. a faster processor
5. more memory

still it is unwhelming. the whole PDA scene, it particular from PalmOne is just so blah.

Y an 18 bit screen?
ackmondual @ 1/9/2005 3:26:45 PM # Q
who and how many apps are really going to make good use of the 18 bit screen at 262,144 colors?

[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71.... so ends the "marathon", for now[/signature1]
RE: Basically the E with new connector and Bluetooth.
JonAcheson @ 1/12/2005 11:44:49 AM # Q
One thing I thought of that would be a nice addition is the USB flash drive functionality they put on the T5. Particularly if you can move files to the SD card that way. It would be handy for loading up MP3s.

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
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Lack of PDA Personality

vesther @ 1/6/2005 5:48:09 PM # Q
I don't know if it's me or if it's palmOne being lazy about the design of each handheld, but I felt that palmOne is being a bit too lazy here because while I applaud the Tungsten E2 for having Bluetooth 1.1 compliance and the Multi-Connector, I do have to scold palmOne for not giving the Tungsten T5 some sort of personality traits, I felt that the Tungsten E2 has a little bit of personality but the Tungsten T5 IMO lacks originality--At least the Tungsten T5 should've had its own body rather than a plastickey Tungsten E-derived body.

Anyway, I can't rank the Tungsten T5 over the Tungsten E or E2 or Zire 72 because of its lack of design originality. The Tungsten T5 should've borrowed the body of the old-school Palm m515 instead IMO.

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RE: Lack of PDA Personality
HiWire @ 1/6/2005 8:29:10 PM # Q
True, the m515 was a design "high point" in my opinion, although it should have come out initially, not following the m505. I wouldn't have a problem with something similar to the m515, maybe a little thinner and lighter, with state-of-the-art hardware inside. I hope PalmOne doesn't ever repeat the mistake of grounding the motherboard to the case again.

Palm m505 User
RE: Lack of PDA Personality
PilotMad @ 1/7/2005 5:12:31 AM # Q
Having seen the plastic body of the T5 and quite liking it (though i prefer the metal body of my T3).
I think palm should have used the same T5 plastic body styling/colour on this new TE2.

I dislike the cheap shiny looking body styling of my girlfriend's TE which ironically probably costs more than T5 body styling.

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RE: Lack of PDA Personality
twizza @ 1/10/2005 12:03:52 PM # Q
Ok, I am only going to say this here since it is quite buried, and if there are any questions then you can email me and ask. palmOne is beign cautiously agressive and though this will not have "personality" as you say, it will make mobile phone operators stand up. Spoke to a few high ups at palmOne while at CES and all they would say to me is pay attention to what they have done in the past. At that, I pretty much can tell you that there will be at least 512mb on the flagship palmOne PDA; and that the Zire line gets a T5 like device with a better (probably not higher mpx) camera. At the risk of sounding off any more, I will say to you what I was told, ask and you may get what you asked for.

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RE: Lack of PDA Personality
Strider_mt2k @ 1/10/2005 2:02:57 PM # Q
Please, God. Let 'em be right!!!

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TE2 with 32 MB NVFS?!

gfunkmagic @ 1/6/2005 6:39:13 PM # Q
I hope PalmOne learned their lession and doesn't hobble this supposed TE2 with the same debilitating flaw. That would extremely stupid...but we are talking about PalmOne here...*sigh*

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RE: TE2 with 32 MB NVFS?!
LiveFaith @ 1/7/2005 12:29:48 AM # Q
GFunk ... it's gonna happen as sure as Manning wins the MVP.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: TE2 with 32 MB NVFS?!
Texonite @ 1/7/2005 8:37:34 AM # Q
Well, what I can say, that NVFS is going to be a damned STANDART in the POS world. As you can see GSPDA M28 also has that type of memory.

Well, I don't dislike it as many of us do, but I consider it as a bit useless tech.

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RE: TE2 with 32 MB NVFS?!
vesther @ 1/7/2005 11:58:22 PM # Q
Standard Volatile Memory--palmOne can leave it as it is.

NVFS: I hope PalmOne will "double" the memory of the original TE as all files will take 35% more space on an NVFS partition as opposed to a Volatile partition. Damn. Can't palmOne just use classic memory like they did with the original TE? C'Mon, I don't think entry-level business users will appreciate the implentation of NVFS IMO.

Anyway, better for the Tungsten E2 to use "Classic" Memory instead of the highly-controversial NVFS Flash Memory.

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It's Not a TE2...

DWD @ 1/7/2005 7:43:41 AM # Q
We all know the T5 is the TE2. So this this half-screen little brother must be a TE1.5

RE: It's Not a TE2...
Tamog @ 1/7/2005 12:02:25 PM # Q
My personal oppinion:
Real TE2 sold as T5 to bash up VGA PPCs
Artificial TE2 created from Zire 72 Planar in TE housings(that explains the connector switch)...

I DID NOT GET THIS INFO FROM PALMONE, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PCB! THIS IS JUST SPECULATION!!


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http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: It's Not a TE2...
joad @ 1/7/2005 12:47:45 PM # Q
Here's a picture of the Tungsten E2:
http://tinyurl.com/5dfd3

Seems we've seen this before.

RE: It's Not a TE2...
Altema @ 1/7/2005 3:20:46 PM # Q
You got it right...

TE1 = TE1 Most popular seller, despite case and battery.
TE2 = TE1.5 Same as above with new mem structure and connector.
T5 = TE2 Same as above with VG and larger price tag
T3 = T3 Still the flagship despite battery.

T3+ is what most of us here wanted: Same as above with improved battery and wifi. It would have been that simple...

RE: It's Not a TE2...
vesther @ 1/8/2005 12:02:27 AM # Q
Altema--apparently palmOne ignored their Power User base and got WAY TOO LAZY about a particular handheld's features. That pretty much explains why the Tungsten T5 was pretty much a crappy value based on the amount of features it had on its "hood".

IMO, the Tungsten T5 should've been called the "Tungsten D" instead--D meaning Drive, as in Thumb/Jump Drive.

Powered by Palm OS since March 2002

RE: It's Not a TE2...
twizza @ 1/10/2005 4:45:36 PM # Q
palmOne getting lazy you say?
I dont know that I agree. Do I think that decisions could have been better imlpemented, sure. But looking at their current model lineup, they really only have a weak area in the wifi end of things. I would guess that they would address it in due time. But according to the leak of the TE2, they are probably more interested in getting Joe Pub and Plain Jane into finding out the fun of wireless rather than just catering to our needs.

That be told, a lil birdie says that a blessing delayed is not a blessing denied.

antoinerjwright.com

RE: It's Not a TE2...
mikecane @ 1/11/2005 2:47:41 PM # Q
They can come out with whatever model they think will cater to Power Users -- but who will touch it when they discover it has the T5's RAM scheme? Not to mention how that rev of OS5 breaks the hell out of too many apps!

Tapwave, save us!

(Personally, money save me! I'll drop back to my S320 for PIM only and get an OQO or Sony U for *real* work.)

Why is Mike Cane complaining?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/11/2005 9:26:39 PM # Q
(Personally, money save me! I'll drop back to my S320 for PIM only and get an OQO or Sony U for *real* work.)

What do you need anything more powerful than the CLIE S320 for? I thought you worked at a newspaper stand in New York. It seems unlikely that someone in your line of work would ever have any use for a powerful PDA or mini desktop.



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: It's Not a TE2...
mikecane @ 1/12/2005 8:12:08 AM # Q
Listen you, it's amazing that the institution you're stuck in allows you free time with a PDA. Must be hell to navigate with your teeth. I mean, in that straightjacket, you can't grab a stylus. Not that they'd let you have anything that pointy to begin with. You keep aiming for your own eyes (and, dammit, I wish they'd let you succeed!).

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