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palmOne has announced that it has entered into a sublease agreement for its future corporate headquarters in Sunnyvale, California. The current palmOne HQ is in Milptas, CA and they plan to move to a new space nearby by mid-2005.
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Valley legacy of a move

RhinoSteve @ 1/7/2005 1:04:27 PM # Q
I don't know if they realize the legacy here. That area in Sunnyvale has been know as "the graveyard" for so many consumer electronics companies to move to in their swan song years. Atari fizzed out just a few blocks away from 1000 West Maude Avenue and so did Jasmine, SuperMac and Radius. It will be interesting with them being in the shadow of Lockheed.

Be interesting to see when the PalmOne regulars discover the Lion & Compass as a local lunch and dinner metting spot if not already. Also, with PalmSource moving to Sunnyvale, the "Palm runs" down 237 are no more.

Not to mention they are in walking distance of the Brass Rail now -- woohoo!!

RE: Valley legacy of a move
SeldomVisitor @ 1/7/2005 1:10:23 PM # Q
Wasn't Handspring headquarters about a block from this location (for a "Sunnyvale block")?

RE: Valley legacy of a move
hkklife @ 1/7/2005 1:32:17 PM # Q
Indeed. Not the first time I have found one of many Atari/Palm connections/coincidental similarities. The PalmSource/China Mobile Soft acquisition seems frighteningly similar to the JTS nail in Atari's coffin back in '96, although the situation (so far) doesn't seem quite as dire for the Palm platform. I hope the move doesn't hamper any spring product launch plans. Maybe they are taking it easy this spring, complete their move, and then just going to release this feeble T|E2 and focus on fall '05 for the Cobalt units?

RE: Valley legacy of a move
mikecane @ 1/7/2005 1:50:32 PM # Q
Fall '05 releases? Let's see, by then Sony will have released 4 more in their U series and the price will have dropped to $1200 for a basic unit.

Hmmmm.... $600 for a limited Cobalt PDA or $1200 for a REAL PC?

RE: Valley legacy of a move
Admin @ 1/7/2005 2:42:45 PM # Q
electronic renaissance ya'll. what is old is new again.

-Ryan

RE: Valley legacy of a move
JarJar @ 1/7/2005 4:51:32 PM # Q
Just because Atari, Jasmine and others have died here in the past doesn't mean that this is some kind of Bermuda triangle or that moving here is a bad business move.

There are some good office spaces here at reasonable prices. That's why some financially pressured companies move in to begin with.

My point - it's not the area that makes a company go under.

RE: Valley legacy of a move
Wollombi @ 1/7/2005 6:07:31 PM # Q
No, you're right. PalmOne is doing their best to kill themselves. The town their in won't make a difference.

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RE: Valley legacy of a move
Strider_mt2k @ 1/7/2005 6:43:43 PM # Q
LOL

That should be an interesting move.

I wonder which lucky person cleaning out the old site will stumble upon the box full of new M515s that "Phil in marketing" misplaced back in the day?

(Or maybe more realistically, the box full of old SUDS returns...)

Either way, there must be a few interesting dusty corners in that place that will reveal treasure, or at least interesting pieces of history.



RE: Valley legacy of a move
SeldomVisitor @ 1/7/2005 7:21:37 PM # Q
Check out EBay at move time...

RE: Valley legacy of a move
Strider_mt2k @ 1/7/2005 7:26:51 PM # Q
I was wondering where that 500 gross of Michael Jordan m100s came from!



RE: Valley legacy of a move
Mac128k @ 1/7/2005 7:28:03 PM # Q
The big move with all of the interesting stuff already happened when they split and left the 3com campus.

There was a ton of interesting things to be seen :)

RE: Valley legacy of a move
RhinoSteve @ 1/7/2005 10:37:33 PM # Q
You have that right, the move from the Great American Parkway building was the one to find lots of nook can cranny things. Forget the m515's! The prototype 128K Pilot prototypes are the ones that will really be worth something.

Overall the McCarthy Park location for PalmOne wasn't the best. It was a bunch of office buildings that were too orthogonal in design and layout not to mention awful commuting from almost any direction.

The 1000 West Maude location has some a nice non-orthogonal design to it going back to the glory days of Silicon Valley architecture from the early 80's when most of Sunnyvale was built up.

But the most important thing is they are much closer to a Fry's Electronics and the Weird Stuff warehouse!

Then there was the clear case Handspring Visor clamshells that were so dam rare, not even some employees got their hands on them. Now we get to hunt around and find which part of 900 or 1000 is the bomb shelter design vault!

Just remember PalmOne employees that the Brass Rail has a hell of a prime rib lunch on Fridays!

RE: Valley legacy of a move
Admin @ 1/8/2005 11:27:44 AM # Q
OK I know Fry's == S-Mart (HUGE electronics store)

but what is the Weird Stuff warehouse?

RE: Valley legacy of a move
dhibbitts @ 1/8/2005 11:51:26 AM # Q
http://www.weirdstuff.com/


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RE: Valley legacy of a move
bcombee @ 1/8/2005 1:24:18 PM # Q
Hmmm... PalmSource is just about to move their main office from the current Crossman location to an office building just across the street from the Sunnyvale Fry's. While the current trip from PalmSource to palmOne is pretty short, just a few minutes on 237, I wonder if the new trip will be even shorter.

(Of course, for me, going to either building takes a while, since there's a three-and-a-half plane ride from Austin that I have to take first)

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RE: Valley legacy of a move (Of topic)
temp_user @ 1/8/2005 1:53:44 PM # Q
Ben combee,
Since you are palm source employee, and you also participate at this site, is there a way we can send information from here to palm source management through you. I mean, there is so much thoughts and ideas around here, that is worth taking note of!
And can someone with good programming skill explain to me, what makes cobalt better OS than windows pocket, and Symbian, besides the applications that mainly are Garnets, why would a third party rather want to license Cobalt than Microsoft or Symbian, I would also put this question on the discussion board.

Regards

PalmOS 5 Vs. Cobalt Vs. PPC Vs. Symbian
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/8/2005 2:57:36 PM # Q
Ben combee,
Since you are palm source employee, and you also participate at this site, is there a way we can send information from here to palm source management through you. I mean, there is so much thoughts and ideas around here, that is worth taking note of!
And can someone with good programming skill explain to me, what makes cobalt better OS than windows pocket, and Symbian, besides the applications that mainly are Garnets, why would a third party rather want to license Cobalt than Microsoft or Symbian, I would also put this question on the discussion board.

First of all, Palm management regularly reads Palminfocenter to get a feel for what the power users are thinking and to try to (gently) influence opinions here. They aren't stupid and already know about all of the PalmOS and hardware problems reported here. They also already are aware of the designs proposed by readers of PIC. They even have prototypes of models that would make many power users fairly happy. The problem is that the decisions to improve quality/add features/improve OS/release new models etc. is strictly based on whether or not Palm feels doing so will increase profits. So far, their beancounters have made a he11 of a lot of bad decisions, resulting in the Palm name starting to be associated with poor quality + lack of innovation. Palm's decision to release refried versions of the Tungsten E (T5, upcoming TE˛) illustrates their conscious decision to "play it safe" rather than trying to innovate. Unfortunately, this isn't 1999 anymore, and Palm now has competition. People won't keep buying underfeatured hardware at premium prices for long. When the average consumer sees a VGA-screened, Wi-Fi/Bluetooth-enabled, Windows-logoed, well constructed PPC selling for the same price as a poorly made PalmOS PDA, guess which one they'll choose? Especially since most people don't have an investment in old PalmOS apps weighting in on the decision.

In the past, PalmOS' app library and stability made PalmOS the clear winner over PPC. Now, apps are much less of a factor. There are now even some apps for professionals that have PPC but no PalmOS equivalents. And newer versions of PalmOS have had numerous stability issues, even in fairly simple configurations. The Cobalt Fiasco created a lot of doubts among developers regarding PalmOS' longterm viability as a money making platform. Palm's recent OS updates broke compatibility with dozens of third party apps and has left the developer community less than impressed, as many now see that Palm doesn't really give a rat's a$$ about developers (sorry, Ben).

Regarding your questions about the advantages of the various OSes:

PalmOS 5 ("Garnet")

Pro: Huge app library, easy to code for, many proven development tools, inexpensive license fee, stable (at least until Palm butchered the later versions + introduced the "DataMangler" bug), best compatibility with Microsoft Office desktop apps, old Palm name.

Con: Overextended well beyond what should reasonably have been asked of it, requires numerous hacks/kludges to achieve functionality, only one app can be open at a time, supports limited hardware profiles (e.g. screen resolutions, RAM, etc.), individual licencees altered OS further to suit their needs + created some incompatibilities, limited selection of high quality hardware, new Palm name.

PalmOS 6 ("Cobalt")

Pro (in theory): Wider hardware support, allows performing more than one task at a time, compatible with most properly-coded legacy apps, easier for licencees and end users to customise, updated GUI (yawn...), touched by Dianne Hackborn ;-).

Con: Limited development tools, requires developers to re-learn how to code for the platform, no shipping devices over a year after the OS was supposedly released -> no incentive for developers to code for OS (i.e. no market to sell to), feature set not yet finalized, initial release buggy as he11, untested in the real world, license price reportedly higher than PalmOS 5, most features can be replicated using either custom versions of PalmOS 5 or PalmOS 5 with third party launchers/apps/utilities, breaks some apps, incomplete integration with telephony.

PPC

Pro: Microsoft name, standard development tools, best selection of hardware, VGA screens supported + available, good app library + improving every month, better support of peripherals (supports CompactFlash), better wireless connectivity (Wi-Fi + Bluetooth present in most PPC PDAs), better driver support, some integration with telephony.

Con: More resource inefficient than PalmOS, some OS stability issues (but improved in past year), syncing software buggier than PalmOS, limited compatibility with Microsoft Office desktop apps (ironic, isn't it?), Microsoft name.

Symbian

Pro: Low licencing fee, large user base, integration with telephony, Nokia name.

Con: Poor syncing software, very limited application library, limited development tools, Nokia name.


No doubt others here can expand on these irrefutable facts.

;-O




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RE: Valley legacy of a move
mikecane @ 1/8/2005 5:43:10 PM # Q
>>>First of all, Palm management regularly reads Palminfocenter to get a feel for what the power users are thinking and to try to (gently) influence opinions here.

As if YOU know anything. Give us a break.

>>>They aren't stupid

They've shown no evidence of being smart in the past 12 months.

But then, you haven't, either, in several jillion posts here. Nor have you shown any balls.

RE: Valley legacy of a move
temp_user @ 1/8/2005 6:11:57 PM # Q
I would like to know about Cobalt.

"easier for licencees and end users to customise"

Is this right, how can this one be easier for licences to customise than OS 5.0. It sounds odd!

"initial release buggy as he11"

How do you know its buggy! What about 6.1?

I can add one pro to cobalt, it had integrated wireless functionality, but this also confuses me, does this mean it is intended for smart phone like devices only, I mean if you build a PDA without wireless capability like the Zire, or a sub notebook, would it be over kill!

What about multimedia capabilities, what can it do that OS 5.0 couldn't except the resolutions! What makes it better for multimedia!

What could 6.2 be? What are the potential releases? Where is it heading besides the Linux kernel?



RE: Valley legacy of a move
temp_user @ 1/8/2005 6:11:57 PM # Q
I would like to know about Cobalt.

"easier for licencees and end users to customise"

Is this right, how can this one be easier for licences to customise than OS 5.0. It sounds odd!

"initial release buggy as he11"

How do you know its buggy! What about 6.1?

I can add one pro to cobalt, it had integrated wireless functionality, but this also confuses me, does this mean it is intended for smart phone like devices only, I mean if you build a PDA without wireless capability like the Zire, or a sub notebook, would it be over kill!

What about multimedia capabilities, what can it do that OS 5.0 couldn't except the resolutions! What makes it better for multimedia!

What could 6.2 be? What are the potential releases? Where is it heading besides the Linux kernel?



RE: Valley legacy of a move
DocFreud @ 1/12/2005 6:27:05 PM # Q
"Pro (in theory): Wider hardware support, allows performing more than one task at a time, compatible with most properly-coded legacy apps, easier for licencees and end users to customise, updated GUI (yawn...), touched by Dianne Hackborn ;-)."

Just because Cobalt was "touched by Dianne Hackorn" doesn't make it a "Pro" in theory or reality. I haven't seen anything by Dianne or the rest of the BeOS team that was positive. The assimilation of Be into the PalmSource held PalmSource back.

How could the people behind a failing product (with a tremendous fan base) be an asset to what was a company that was maturing? At least the original senior management is finally gone. Now, we have to work on Gasse's departure.

Did OS 6 ship on time? No. The project, Sahara, was woefully and constantly behind schedule. Not-so-clever changes to the feature set(hey, let's make a version of Sahara geared for handhelds and a version for wireless) and lame explanations were produced in place of product.

Now that OS 6 has shipped, is anybody developing for it? I haven't heard of any plans to release PalmOS 6 based products. If I'm wrong, please let me know. It would be nice to hear some good news for a change.

PalmOS 6 (Cobalt); Be engineers; Fun with leather™.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/12/2005 11:03:22 PM # Q
Just because Cobalt was "touched by Dianne Hackorn" doesn't make it a "Pro" in theory or reality. I haven't seen anything by Dianne or the rest of the BeOS team that was positive. The assimilation of Be into the PalmSource held PalmSource back.

You're preaching to the Pope, Sonny. By the way, If you ever met Ms. Hackborn I think you'd change your tune. ;-O

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7359&curpage=2

http://www.palminfocentre.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7375#101634

http://www.palminfocentre.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7394#101633

http://www.palminfocentre.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7258

http://www.palminfocentre.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7375#101320

How could the people behind a failing product (with a tremendous fan base) be an asset to what was a company that was maturing? At least the original senior management is finally gone. Now, we have to work on Gasse's departure.

Be engineers have some talent but they were not what Palm needed. Palm needed to outsource coding of a FUNCTIONAL Unix-flavored next-generation OS three years ago. They didn't. Now, in 2005 we STILL have nothing but the hoary, punch-drunk PalmOS 5 in our latest PDAs. How sad.

Did OS 6 ship on time? No. The project, Sahara, was woefully and constantly behind schedule. Not-so-clever changes to the feature set(hey, let's make a version of Sahara geared for handhelds and a version for wireless) and lame explanations were produced in place of product.

Their production schedule was unrealistic. Palm could only have delivered a stable PalmOS 6 on time by outsourcing it. But then if they did that, what would be the point of paying all of those Sacred Be engineers?

Now that OS 6 has shipped, is anybody developing for it? I haven't heard of any plans to release PalmOS 6 based products. If I'm wrong, please let me know. It would be nice to hear some good news for a change.

Developers have lost confidence in Palm. Many have no plans to code for PalmOS 6 since:

1) There are ZERO shipping devices as of January 12, 2005. (Over
12 months after PalmOS 6 was officially released...)

2) The chances of seeing a significant number of PalmOS 6 devices sold in the market in the next year is approximately 0%.

3) Palm already kicked developers in the crotch with their hack jobs on PalmOS 5 that broke dozens of apps.

4) They don't want to be OS beta testers/guinea pigs.

5) PalmOS 6 doesn't add much useful to their applications.

You may see a PalmOS 6 phone from Taiwan in June, 2005. Maybe.




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RE: Valley legacy of a move
mikecane @ 1/13/2005 9:09:14 AM # Q
>>>Palm already kicked developers in the crotch with their hack jobs on PalmOS 5 that broke dozens of apps.

And users too. I wish my S320 with OS4 had a color screen...

RE: Valley legacy of a move
DocFreud @ 1/13/2005 2:37:10 PM # Q
[i]If you ever met Ms. Hackborn I think you'd change your tune.[i/]

I have met Dianne. My tune hasn't changed.

Dianne Hackborn and the Holy Be Code Gods™.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/13/2005 10:32:35 PM # Q
I wonder who this "Dianne Hackorn" person is.


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CLIE TH55: the last high quality PalmOS PDA? Sadly, yes.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/14/2005 1:15:52 AM # Q
>>>Palm already kicked developers in the crotch with their hack jobs on PalmOS 5 that broke dozens of apps.

And users too. I wish my S320 with OS4 had a color screen...

Get a CLIE TH55 and STOP whining for ****'s sake! It's the last good tablet-style PalmOS PDA ever made. You won't be disappointed - assuming you're not a clueless idiot.



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RE: Valley legacy of a move
mikecane @ 1/14/2005 9:55:51 AM # Q
Clueless idiot? Projecting again, aren't you? Sad little sh!t that you are.

Be, BeOS, Cobalt, PalmLinux
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 2/7/2005 4:55:54 AM # Q

Carpe Noctum


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This Changes Everything -- Doesn't It?
mikecane @ 2/7/2005 11:24:46 AM # Q
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But in the end...

Gekko @ 1/7/2005 9:56:09 PM # Q

It should'a been perfect...But in the end... they f****d it all up. It should have been so sweet, too, but it turned out to be the last time that guys like them were ever given anything that f***in' valuable again.



RE: But in the end...
drw @ 1/8/2005 1:22:47 AM # Q
Hey Gekko, can't you assume another Michael Douglas character like Nicholas Van Orton, a joyless San Francisco investment banker who receives an unusual birthday present from his estranged younger brother, Conrad.

Or how about emulating a laid-off defense worker Michael Douglas, kept from seeing his child on her birthday by a restraining order, looks at the landscape of moral decay in Los Angeles on one hot, congested day and, after being mugged, snaps.

:)

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RE: But in the end...
Gekko @ 1/8/2005 9:47:57 AM # Q

That was Joe Pesci as Nicky Santoro in "Casino":

http://koti.mbnet.fi/badbee/wavs/intheend.wav



RE: But in the end...
Admin @ 1/8/2005 11:48:07 AM # Q
YES! A Falling Down reference!!!!

Your prize package will arrive in the post.

-Ryan

RE: But in the end...
Gekko @ 1/8/2005 12:55:28 PM # Q
RE: But in the end...
drw @ 1/10/2005 2:46:18 AM # Q
Oops, my bad. Casino is one of my favorites!

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pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/8/2005 2:14:36 PM # Q
Almost.

The bogus "split" - made mere months ago to save the company several million $$$ in loans and to generate some quick stock cash - has only helped further erode the Palm platform. Now pa1mOne moves a few blocks from PalmSource? W T F??? Gimme a break, guys. Everyone knows both PalmSource and pa1mOne are helpless without each other. It's time to end the sham and make a dramatic "announcement" that they will be merging to "enhance synergies" and "leverage market opportunities" or some such dotcomspeak BS.

Misters Colligan, Nagel, Gasse, Mace and cronies: Please stop suffocating a good platform with incompetent management decisions. Had you simply listened to your OWN employees, you would be in a position of strength in 2005, not struggling to stay alive. Now some of the rats are already starting to flee HMS Palm.

And can someone please explain why the he11 the "Baby Treo" never received production approval earlier in 2004? pa1mOne's current hardware offerings are an embarassment to a great OS. If only Sony had bought ALL of PalmSource a couple years ago...


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RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
mikecane @ 1/8/2005 5:48:53 PM # Q
Hey, let's really GUARANTEE the death of the Palm Platform. Let's have them simply FOLLOW YOUR "ADVICE."

Do you even listen to YOURSELF when you talk? You sad, unmedicated ****.

RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
joad @ 1/8/2005 11:14:47 PM # Q
"And can someone please explain why the he11 the "Baby Treo" never received production approval earlier in 2004?"

If the Treo 650 isn't the "Baby Treo," then how could they put out less of a treo than the 650 in late 2004 and still sell it?


"pa1mOne's current hardware offerings are an embarassment to a great OS. If only Sony had bought ALL of PalmSource a couple years ago..."

...we'd all be stuck buying sets of those crappy "memory sticks," "memory stick pros," "memory stick mini," and/or whatever else that pitiful proprietary platform has morphed into today. 2 reasons to hate SONY (beyond memorysticks): (1) crappy warranties and customer service (yes, even worse than Palm's punjabi connection) and (2) SONY seems to spend way too much money and time making their things look "kewl" and "stylish." If you need any evidence of this just look at their rocker switches, then compare it to the ones that Palm/One uses (just about any year's hardware. To SONY, it seems to be all about the "style" and how many people they can pawn off memorysticks upon. Beautiful screens, though - you gotta thank them for budging Palm in that direction......

RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
twrock @ 1/9/2005 12:40:33 AM # Q
joad said: "...we'd all be stuck buying sets of those crappy "memory sticks," "memory stick pros," "memory stick mini," and/or whatever else that pitiful proprietary platform has morphed into today. ... To SONY, it seems to be all about the "style" and how many people they can pawn off memorysticks upon."

LOL. A friend of mine has decided that Sony's entire corporate strategy is simply a platform for selling more memory sticks. They're willing to sell consumer products for no profit or even a loss if it contains a memory stick slot.

RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
hkklife @ 1/9/2005 7:07:45 PM # Q
IMHO, Sony hugely bungled their chance for Memory Stick domination.

First, the PS2 should have shipped with a MS slot in addition to the two old PSOne style memory card slots. 8mb on a $20 PS2 memory card is a joke nowadays for storing multiple game saves, rosters, RPG character attributes etc. That single point could have given MS huge inroads in the market, as families owning a MS-enabled PS2 from Christmas '00 or '01 would have bought a Sony digicam for Christmas '02 or '03. Too bad SCE, Sony Electronics and Sony Computer cannot see eye to eye on ANYTHING!

Secondly, Sony Electronics should stick a MS slot in EVERY single piece of consumer electronic hardware with the Sony name on it. DVD players, all Wega TVs etc. How much can it add to th bottom line cost of a unit--mere pennies, in all likelihood.

Finally, the seemningly endless flow of different MS spin-off formats (MS, MS Select, MS Pro, MS Duo, MS Duo Pro, Magic Gate etc) just creates consumer and retailer confusion. Same thing with MMC/SD, CF Type II & III, and 3.3v and 5v Smart Media. Companies should get their flash memory specs right from day #1 and stick to it. I expect that in a few years when the minimum card size is 1gb or 2gb, thing should shake out pretty well and people will have to start paying more attention to different speeds of cards rather ("Can my card handle 30fps VGA quality FMV from my camera?") than worry about compatability issues.

RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/11/2005 10:11:07 PM # Q
People that blindly bash Memory Stick just because they hate Sony remind me of pople who love to bash Microsoft. Memory Stick is JAMF ("just another memory format") and its main disadvantage is that it's ridiculously overpriced. While I wish everyone had standardized on Compact Flash, realistically, choice of memory format is of fairly minor importance for PDAs.

I agree with the poster who said Sony bungled the Memory Stick positioning. Had they just put it on every Sony Playstation, stereo, TV, etc, they would probably have become the dominant memory format by now. The infighting among the Sony divisions (content vs. electronics) re: DRM issues is laughable - Sony missing the MP3 boat is the most obvious example. This schizophrenic behaviour has crippled Sony in recent years and now companies like Samsung are threatening to overtake Sony's position as the world leader in bringing tech "cool" to the masses.

Well at least they stuck around long enough to create the UX50...




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RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
hkklife @ 1/11/2005 11:27:29 PM # Q
Well said, Voice. Funny how one of the only things Palm has gotten right in the past four years has been a major factor in the decline of Sony (Palm aggressively pushing SD early on vs. Sony bungling MS time after time). MS remains just another memory format, not as entrenched in "tiny" consumer-oriented products like SD or in the prosumer world like CF. It'll forever be relegated to 3rd tier status, just content to keep ahead of xD and the tiny niche formats.

RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
mikecane @ 1/12/2005 8:33:07 AM # Q
>>>This schizophrenic behaviour has crippled Sony

I'll take you at your word here. After all, you have a great deal of experience with schizophrenia.

RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/13/2005 10:54:16 PM # Q
Get back on your "vitamin H", Mikey.


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palmOne 2005 Product Lineup

Gekko @ 1/9/2005 7:47:14 PM # Q
RE: palmOne 2005 Product Lineup
happypalms @ 1/10/2005 12:18:38 AM # Q
I sure wish I had a cage now...
Maybe that's a photo of the new spinoff PDA like handspring was.

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Why Sunnyvale?

vesther @ 1/10/2005 3:44:55 PM # Q
Wouldn't it be much better if PalmOne moved their headquarters AWAY from California? I think moving their HQ to a state other than California might help the company out a bit, though. Maybe the Carolinas?

Anyway, I don't know why palmOne would choose Sunnyvale....

Powered by Palm OS since March 2002

RE: Why Sunnyvale?
RhinoSteve @ 1/11/2005 5:38:38 PM # Q
It is simple. This is the only place in the world that has people and culture with: technical talent, market savvy, sheer get-up-and-go and most of all, lack of political opposition for such a company to exist. The rest of the world subversively fears economic and personal freedom that this area has to offer.

While other regions of the USA and world tout, "We want high tech." their full statement is "We want high tech to make us lots of money in tax revenue but I'll be damned if they think they can change who is in power here." That is why many places, that tout being high tech, seriously compromises their potential by not "shareing the political leadership reigns" with those who bring in the profitable industries.

Many places in the USA and the world with a "high tech area" has never ever been able to surpass the ability ad creativity of Silicon Valley. This also includes India and China with massive vested interest knocking down up and comming leaders that are not "in the (country) club" of the upper crust. The secret police inside mainland China and the undergound Raaj societies of India are still in full force taking out those who are learning what freedom can be via high tech as we speak. Then there is Bill Gates' relatives that are connected to Washington State politics for many generations ... but I digress.

If you think Silicon Valley is too expensive and you can't make it here -- move! Nothing is keeping you here. For the rest of us, we can make it here. Silicon Valley is survival of the fittest economics to the extreme.

If all you want is one job, a mortgage to pay off and two weeks vacation as you raise your kids, this is not the place for you ... and you will never gain any fortune since you played it too safe most of your life.
RE: Why Sunnyvale?
RoadKnight @ 1/12/2005 9:31:16 PM # Q
I couldn't have said it better myself. Many places lust after the tax base and income levels that companies here generate, but few if any would be willing to put up with the people. The current political climate here in the US in the wake of the recent election is clear evidence that most of the country would be more likely to have your average Palm, Google or Cisco employee lynched or run out of town for who they are rather than what they do.

That's why "technology center" in Silicon Valley means Palm, TiVo, Apple, Google, and Cisco and just about everywhere else it means "call center".


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Sunnyvale: Dinosaurs Graveyard

Gekko @ 1/13/2005 9:15:25 AM # Q

It's where the Dinosaurs go to die.



RE: Sunnyvale: Dinosaurs Graveyard
SeldomVisitor @ 1/13/2005 9:39:59 PM # Q
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