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Despite recently releasing a version of Pocket Tunes for Windows Mobile-powered devices, NormSoft has not forgotten their loyal Palm OS user base. A new version of the Pocket Tunes audio player app has been released by Normsoft for all Palm OS Garnet devices.

Pocket Tunes Deluxe sells for $37.95 and a free trial is available. A basic version is also available for $19.95, which omits the support for online music stores. You can read my earlier review of Pocket Tunes 4 here.

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Wow...

Gazpacho @ 6/3/2008 2:15:05 PM # Q
The improved feature list is killing me.

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RE: Wow...
hkklife @ 6/3/2008 2:45:25 PM # Q
Be glad that we're still getting updates at all. Normsoft has overall been very, very good to the Palm OS community. Aside from Astraware and some of the smaller developers such as Hobbyist & I cannot much blame them for not putting any major $ into PTunes development with such lame hardware coming out from Palm (no >4GB SDHC support, no 3.5mm jack or A2DP etc). Perhaps if Palm's Garnet hardware made for a more compelling multimedia platform, developers would be trying harder to keep adding features to the platform.

Instead, we have the removal of 3.5mm headphone jacks (not seen since the TX), the removal of any onboard storage memory (not seen in flash form since the T5; the LD's microdrive was so poorly implemented that I'm not even going to count that), the loss of 320x480 screens (also not seen since the TX) and 320x320 screens of constantly shrinking size (PDA 320x320->Treo 320x320->Centro 320x320) and the move to costlier, more fragile, less capacious, less compatible, and harder to insert/remove memory card formats (Fullsize SD/SDHC to miniSD to microSD) and still no "official" BT A2DP implementation despite the workarounds offered by Softick and the actual Palm hardware being up to par (in addition to the above comments about no official support for >4GB file volumes).

Palm's downsizing & feature removal is directly opposite of where the rest of the industry is going (well, aside from microSD-everyone's at fault for that debacle).

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: Wow...
SelonPi @ 6/3/2008 4:12:32 PM # Q
You're dead on! It frustrates me to no end how this "smaller is better" except for TVs and a couple of body parts. I recently ordered my first microSD for my Sansa player. How ridiculous! I feel like Godzilla trying to put a Macbook Air back in it's friggin envelope! SD was fine. I would rather not, but CAN deal with miniSD, but screw the micro... That's just taking it too far IMO.

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Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?

palmit @ 6/3/2008 3:33:13 PM # Q
Another history lesson!

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
hkklife @ 6/3/2008 4:09:21 PM # Q
Here are some hypothetical news items that could get the PIC faithful excited:


1. "Palm gives live hands-on demo of Nova"

2. "Palm announces official backwards compatibility initiative for Nova"

3. "Palm announces first Nova device"

4. "Palm announces Nova has gone gold"

5. "Ed Colligan and Andy Brown agree to exclusive Q&A session with PIC"

6. "Palm TX2 handheld due next month"

7. "Official Graffiti 1 plug-in from Palm & Xerox now available for all Palm OS 5.x devices"

8. "Palm & Access Announces HSPA Breakthrough for Garnet OS devices"

9. "Palm reveals first WiMax device"

10. "Nokia acquiring Palm Inc."

11. "Asus acquiring Palm Inc."



Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
SelonPi @ 6/3/2008 4:18:47 PM # Q
> 6. "Palm TX2 handheld due next month"

UNLESS... the "2" implied 240x240 or 2"x2" as Palm continues the incredible shrinking screen theme. But if they could do it right, a TX2 would make me one VERY happy camper!

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
hkklife @ 6/3/2008 4:29:29 PM # Q
In all seriousness, I think Palm probably had a tenative design for a TX2 (basically the original TX with a larger capacity battery, 400+ mhz CPU, BT1.2 and a gig or so of flash memory) ready to go back in 2006 but someone (Colligan) decided to axe it and go all-smartphone/Fooleo.


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
BaalthazaaR @ 6/3/2008 5:29:43 PM # Q
but someone (Colligan) decided to axe it and go all-smartphone/Fooleo.

smartphone... yeah, dumb move... definitely, retarded CEO absolutely.

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
Poopie @ 6/3/2008 6:03:20 PM # Q

a TX2 would make me one VERY happy camper!

If this were 2005, I would agree. In 2008, it's going to take more than that.

To make me a VERY happy camper in 2008/2009, I want
- absolutely no less than 320X480 resolution.
- hardware accelerated graphics
- 802.11*n*
- fast RAM, gigs of internal storage and a storage expansion slot
- a2dp for wireless stereo audio
- full featured, multitasking OS
- browser equal to or better than Safari on iPhone
- ipod/iphone compatible connector so I can use the thousands of chargers/docks/radios for ipod
- Thinner than iPhone

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
PacManFoo @ 6/3/2008 6:35:12 PM # Q
I would also want built in HDW recognition such as Newton, Microsoft Transcriber.


PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22, UX50
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
bhartman34 @ 6/3/2008 8:03:19 PM # Q
I really think the hope for a "TX2" (i.e., some kind of PDA device) from Palm or anyone else, is vanishingly small. The market for PDAs has been going down since before the original TX. (I've posted links to news stories and studies before, but I'll dig them up if you want me to.)

It seems obvious to me that the direction that Colligan wanted to go with the Foleo (and could still go, if they follow through on the Foleo II) was a big screen, full keyboard device interface for a smartphone, thereby letting people have smartphones, which are viable in the market) with big screens and keyboards for those that wanted them. I think what they got wrong is they made it too much like a laptop, and priced it accordingly. If they marketed it as a keyboard/screen interface for your phone, and priced it in line with that (say, $150-$200 US) they'd have a better shot at making a good device. Instead, in the Foleo created a neutered sub-notebook. I hope they get it right next time around (if there is a next time).

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
robera @ 6/3/2008 8:52:14 PM # Q
I agree that we need a TX2. But I think that it must include cell radio! I would like to have a smartphone but the Treo screens are to small for me. The TX has the perfect screen size and IPhone sales are showing that users want big landscape smartphone. I cannot understand why Palm is so blind:(

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/4/2008 6:30:50 AM # Q
When Colligan mentions "devices" with Nova, I would assume nonphones in the mix are a strong possibility.

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
alanh @ 6/4/2008 3:32:56 PM # Q
The decreasing PDA market was a self-fulfilling prediction. There is no reason to buy a new PDA when they never come out with new, upgraded ones. The last time Palm released a PDA that was an as good or better than previous models was the T|T3. Since then, every model (T5, TX, LD) has been a mixed bag. Well, the TE2 was an upgrade from the TE, but that wasn't an upgrade of a top-of-the-line model.

When my TX died recently, I got a Treo 755p, but I would have purchased a Palm PDA if they had something that was competitive with the iPod Touch or Nokia n810 in terms of hardware and browser capability.

-a

-alan

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/4/2008 3:53:40 PM # Q
I was thinking more along the line of a "connected" nonphone PDA.

Remember, I'm egotistically always going back to N years ago when I said I wanted a "component system" of mix-n-match devices all mutually communicating (when near):

- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?p=219661&highlight=thoughts+communicator#post219661

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
BaalthazaaR @ 6/4/2008 4:19:59 PM # Q
That is where I liked the Handspring Visors back in the day. You could have it modified into whatever you wanted. The only drawbacks were size of the springboard modules and the inablity to use multiple modules. Of course, there were all the third parties that jumped on the bandwagon without good ideas.

Smaller modules with a standard interface and multiple ports would have been sweet. Unfortunately the technology back then couldn't deliver.

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
Doo @ 6/5/2008 12:17:41 AM # Q
PIC has become the gloom and doom Palm sight. I find much more Palm goodness at Treo sites. With all the bashing that goes on here, it's hard to come here anymore.

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
bhartman34 @ 6/5/2008 3:13:59 AM # Q
The decreasing PDA market was a self-fulfilling prediction. There is no reason to buy a new PDA when they never come out with new, upgraded ones.

I've heard that rationale before, but I don't think it holds water. The TX came out after the PDA decline started. And it wasn't just Palm who wasn't having any success. Everyone was feeling the pinch.

Are there still people who would buy a PDA? Sure. But the question to ask is, are there enough people willing to buy one to justify producing it? There are people who still buy vinyl LPs, but record companies don't produce a vinyl record for every act, either.

It should be noted that the iPod Touch isn't a PDA in any true sense of the word, and probably never will be, the way Apple has it locked down. People don't drool all over themselves for the PDA capabilities of the Touch. They like it because it's a media powerhouse. I think it's a mistake to point to the iPod Touch as evidence that people want a PDA-style device again. That's not why people buy it.

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
PacManFoo @ 6/5/2008 8:58:05 AM # Q
Maybe part of the problem with the "demise" of the PDA lies in the fact that there was little change in ten years. It took probably 5 years for Palm to go color. There was only gradual increases in amounts of onboard RAM. We kept getting upgradable ROM's that were never given upgrades. The last Palm TX (2005) can only do slightly more then the last Apple Newton MP2100 (1998) and many other areas the Newton is still better then Palm. Handspring, Handera, and Sony were more innovative then Palm but did not have control of the OS. The PocketPC makers put out better hardware but had no control over the OS.

The biggest problem I see with the PDA though is that everyone uses their PDA different and none of these companies seemed to understand the end users needs. Looking back I think they should have made models aimed for the different types of end users. For example, the Business User, the Media Centric user, the Datebook/Notepad User, the Gamer. I think this is what Steve Jobs understands with the iPod and iPhone devices. They excel in what they are suppose to do but are capable of doing more.

PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22, UX50
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
BaalthazaaR @ 6/5/2008 10:40:46 AM # Q
Are there still people who would buy a PDA? Sure. But the question to ask is, are there enough people willing to buy one to justify producing it? There are people who still buy vinyl LPs, but record companies don't produce a vinyl record for every act, either.

It doesn't seem to me that Palm even considered that fact. The predicted a demise and did everything to make it come true. But there are enough people buying replacement devices to contribute to $36.7 million in revenue.

The TX came out after the PDA decline started. And it wasn't just Palm who wasn't having any success. Everyone was feeling the pinch.

If the TX didn't sell well, it would be odd to find the TX users on a list of people buying a lot of software for PalmOS. After all the number of units sold would depend on number of TXs out there wouldn't it? http://www.handango.com/marketing/Yardstick/2007_YE_Palm.pdf

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
hkklife @ 6/5/2008 12:51:46 PM # Q
Baal;

Super list! Thanks for linking to it. When was that released? I'm surprised we haven't seen anyone trot out those numbers before.

I'm not surprised at all to see the TX at number 2. However, the 650 is a surprise, as that device has such a pitiful amount of main memory that I'd think people would be less likely to add apps to it (I guess everyone's running stuff off of SD cards).

I'm also surprised to see the LD & Z22 on there as high on the "by revenue" list as they are. I'm also surprised that the T3 wasn't on the list and that the new-ish 755p cracked the list. You'd think the T3, with its still-strong specs & fanbase would have made the cut.

I'm also surprised that the list is devoid (relatively) of games! I'd have thought Bejeweled 2 would be higher...and SkyForce (a cool but niche sort of title) is even in there!


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
mikecane @ 6/5/2008 3:17:08 PM # Q
>>>Here are some hypothetical news items that could get the PIC faithful excited:

Palm Announces Graffiti Classic Free Download For All Devices Stuck With Graffiti 2.

That'd be a *great* start.

It'd be even better if it ACTUALLY WORKED!

See, there's always a catch with Palm.

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
mikecane @ 6/5/2008 3:19:05 PM # Q
>>>I think it's a mistake to point to the iPod Touch as evidence that people want a PDA-style device again. That's not why people buy it.

Eh. Come back end of June and see if you need to revise that.

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
BaalthazaaR @ 6/5/2008 4:27:02 PM # Q
Super list! Thanks for linking to it. When was that released? I'm surprised we haven't seen anyone trot out those numbers before.

Those are just the numbers for Handango for 2007. I can't remember where I read about it, but it was recent. So I just went to their site and searched.

However, the 650 is a surprise, as that device has such a pitiful amount of main memory that I'd think people would be less likely to add apps to it

Actually I converted a few people who went from dumbphones to the 650 just to run one piece of software that I was running on my TX (actually Palm V followed by Visor Edge before the TX). It was cricket scoring software (not the darts cricket) that was much better than doing it on paper. The developer sold it through PalmGear.

I used to score the games for a club team and they rushed out to get some more copies to enable the second and third teams. Also they needed something once I quit the club. I know at least 6 people in the club had the software and devices to run them on when I left years ago (2x Treo 650 + some other devices).

I'm also surprised that the T3 wasn't on the list

Again those are just the numbers for Handango for 2007. They have numbers for 2006 & 2005 as well.
http://corp.handango.com/Handango.jsp?siteId=1&CKey=CORP_YARDSTICK&option=pressroom

RE: Can any news regarding Palm be positive on this site?
gmayhak @ 6/8/2008 12:07:37 AM # Q
Remember back when we liked the Palm because it was a simple to use data base that we could put in our pocket? There were palmtops & laptops but Palms won us over because of the simple OS and the ease of writing custom apps. We appreciated that they weren't trying to out-perform the other 'gadgets' on the market, just providing a solid piece of hardware that the software community could enhance. Do we really want to push them into being another 'me too' company?

Gary


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