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A report of out the 3GSM conference last week revealed that PalmSource has plans to support the SyncML data synchronization standard instead of the traditional HotSync protocol on future phone OS releases.
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FINALLY!!!!!!

RhinoSteve @ 2/24/2005 2:16:57 PM # Q
SyncML has been in the works for about five years now with PalmSouce sitting on the fence. Guess they got the ARMlet up and running finally that keeps the scripting up and running. Why is this good?

* No machine specific conduit.
* Management is down to script management instead of a compiled language (bet it for a real or virtual machine)
* Ease of networking.

This is good news. Man, so what jerk here will try to wet blanket this announcement.

RE: FINALLY!!!!!!
LiveFaith @ 2/24/2005 5:23:21 PM # Q
Palm is dead inside 2 weeks ... leaving out hotsync will cause MS dominance ... where's WiFi ... fire Nagel ... Hawkins is clueless ... I'm switching to Dell ... I'm ignoring your posts ... I'm gone from this dead site ... Fire Ryan ... Fire Ed (oops he's gone) ... why don't they get Cobalt out the door first ... no wonder Sony left ... this is worse than G2 ...

:-\ Hopefully that will take cover of it all beforehand.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: FINALLY!!!!!!
RhinoSteve @ 2/24/2005 7:10:51 PM # Q
You take the Sony pullout too seriously. There is plenty of other endevors going on now. They are replaceable.
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Another initiatve…

gijsraggers @ 2/24/2005 2:41:11 PM # Q
Nice plans, louzy products, louzy company. (I love my T3)

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Very good, but...

willyrc @ 2/24/2005 2:44:40 PM # Q
This is quite interesting. I’m a user of both SyncML and HotSync, and I always missed in HotSync the capability to synchronize other non-Palm OS devices.
It’s obvious that this move is focused on making future versions of Palm OS a more phone-like OS, but is good to see PalmSource moving away from its legacy roots to a more mature, standard-oriented initiative.
...I wish they do the same about Java...
I think is very irresponsible from PalmSource to leave to its licensees the decision to include a Java VM. Almost every phone from Motorola, Sony-E and Samsung has a Java VM integrated with it.
PalmSource: Why don’t you develop a decent Java VM that runs fast on Palm OS devices, takes advantages from its GUI, and it is MIDP 2.0 complaint?


RE: Very good, but...
robert_rhode @ 2/24/2005 5:09:42 PM # Q
Your wish is granted. The IBM WEME on Palm OS is fast, takes advantage of the Palm OS GUI, is MIDP 2.0 compliant, and is supported by PalmSource. You should check it out.

RE: Very good, but...
willyrc @ 2/24/2005 7:06:43 PM # Q
Quote from http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/java/

“Will a JVM come preinstalled on all Palm OS devices?
• A Java virtual machine is not a required component of the Palm OS and therefore is not a component PalmSource's licensees are required to support. Additionally, the Palm OS is deployed on a wide variety of devices with different capabilities and focus, not all of which are suitable for a JVM. It is left up to the licensee of the Palm OS to determine whether a JVM is needed for their device given cost constraints, memory limitations, and customer focus. As such, PalmSource cannot guarantee that a JVM will be preinstalled on all Palm OS devices. Inquiries concerning VMs on specific devices should be directed to the specific PalmSource OS licensees.”

WEME VM is slow. The performance is about %40~%50 slower than C code and the GUI has several blinks.


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Oh why the hell not?

mikecane @ 2/25/2005 12:01:55 PM # Q
They've thrown away the OS, so why not the syncing part too?

RE: Oh why the hell not?
Gekko @ 2/26/2005 9:47:25 AM # Q

MikeCon - I'm putting this here so you see it. Have you seen this application to find NYC cross streets? It's great!

http://roamingempire.com/xman/



RE: Oh why the hell not?
Tamog @ 2/26/2005 10:24:59 AM # Q
I beleive that they will migrate slowly.....
The migration from LowRes to HiRes was slowly and compatible, and OS6 even emulates the PIM databases.
So, nothing to fear from my point of view..
Best regards
Tam Hanna


Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com

RE: Oh why the hell not?
Hal2000 @ 2/27/2005 8:16:48 PM # Q
Get x-man if you work in NYC.
Awesomely simple.

Zodiac2/T616/WiFi Stick
2.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: Oh why the hell not?
mikecane @ 2/28/2005 11:57:45 AM # Q
Gekko, you need to get away from PIC more. I've used X-Man since my **PALM III**.

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Glad to see PalmSource working hard to have the best PDA OS

pmjoe @ 2/27/2005 11:08:24 PM # Q
Now if that OS was just available on any devices, we'd have a real story here. OS 6 - great news; Linux - great news; SyncML -great news.

Might I suggest PalmSource's next big announcement be that they are going to End of Life OS 4 and 5 by this summer. Tell these hardware companies that are milking PalmSource by the OS 4/5 cash cow to fish or cut bait. Either invest in the future of the OS or get lost. Find some new licensees if necessary, and even tell PalmOne to shove it if the opportunity presents itself. PalmOne isn't doing you any favors with rehashed old hardware and old OS releases, so listen up PalmSource, you don't owe them any favors.

I wonder if there is anything in PalmSource's arrangements with PalmOne that prevents PalmSource from releasing their own hardware. Give a Dell Axim (or some other hardware) a facelift and send it to market under the PalmSource brand name.

RE: Glad to see PalmSource working hard to have the best PDA
JonAcheson @ 2/28/2005 11:02:00 AM # Q
Unless they have a version of OS6 that can run on the same low-power-consumption hardware as the current Palm 4 devices, that would be monumentally stupid.

The last thing PalmSource needs to do today is squeeze out more licencees.

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: Glad to see PalmSource working hard to have the best PDA OS
pmjoe @ 2/28/2005 11:52:34 AM # Q
Who is selling OS 4 devices? AlphaSmart and Fossil? OK, well maybe just End of Life OS 5. I haven't checked, is there really that big of a difference in power consumption (especially on the slower ARM CPUs)? I have a feeling with newer technologies on the modern mobile CPUs, that isn't necessarily true.

As far as companies go that just want to sell three year old technology with three year old software (PalmOne, Tapwave ... are you listening?), send them packing. They aren't forwarding PalmSource's cause any. At least AlphaSmart and Fossil are innovators in niche markets.

RE: Glad to see PalmSource working hard to have the best PDA
cbowers @ 2/28/2005 3:34:55 PM # Q
"Who is selling OS 4 devices?"
Maybe you should research that yourself before posting silliness.
Off the top of my head:

Fossil (wristwatch)
Alphasmart (Dana)
Aceeca (Measura)
Kyocera (7135)
Samsung (SPH-i330
GroupSense (G18 G88)
Symbol (SPT-1500 1800)

RE: Glad to see PalmSource working hard to have the best PDA
pmjoe @ 3/9/2005 8:20:50 PM # Q
> before posting silliness

I see nothing "silly" about the death of the Palm OS at the hands of greed and ancient versions of the OS. The fact that these companies have been allowed to wallow in their laurels while milking the Palm platform for all it is worth is nothing short of sickening. Thank goodness Apple took hardware development back out of the hands of 3rd party companies, or we'd also be watching Apple dry up as the hardware vendors milked every last bit out of Mac OS 8 while a more competitive, modern option sat on the shelf.

RE: Glad to see PalmSource working hard to have the best PDA
ganoe @ 3/9/2005 8:40:52 PM # Q
Yeah, it seems like this would be the right approach. There really is a sense of milking it for all it's worth here. PalmSource has moved on to a core Cobalt/Linux which I assume they have might more "ownership" (kind of difficult to say that with Linux) or control over. I assume they don't pay royalties to Kadak, etc. with this newer tech, and it seems more like a real OS, vs. say OS 4 and previous which always seemed more like an API on top of some hidden OS vs. a real OS (kind of a vague comparison, I know). Not sure what the best solution would be, because you hate to lose licensees, but end-of-lifing old versions of the OS and telling folks to move on is usually how it's done in the software world. Palm succeeded by getting other companies to improve and promote the latest versions of the OS. Now they're just resting on the old versions.
PalmSource: For Whom The Bell Tolls.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/9/2005 10:07:46 PM # Q
> before posting silliness

I see nothing "silly" about the death of the Palm OS at the hands of greed and ancient versions of the OS. The fact that these companies have been allowed to wallow in their laurels while milking the Palm platform for all it is worth is nothing short of sickening. Thank goodness Apple took hardware development back out of the hands of 3rd party companies, or we'd also be watching Apple dry up as the hardware vendors milked every last bit out of Mac OS 8 while a more competitive, modern option sat on the shelf.

Good Lord! Another victim of Mikecane Disease. How sad.

Before posting more nonsense, take a deep breath and ask yourself the following:

- Why should ANY PalmOS licensee want to increase their costs by switching OS versions if they have no need for features provided by later versions of PalmOS?

- How is paying for and using an OS license according to the terms of a contract Palm negotiated with its licensees "milking the Palm platform for all it is worth"?

- What do you think PalmSource can do to force licensees to "upgrade" to newer OS versions? Ever heard of something called a "contract"?

- What advantages do later OS versions offer licensees? Disadvantages?

- Do you really think PalmSource (teetering on the verge of bankruptcy) can be dictating terms to its ever-shrinking set of licensees?

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