Comments on: Ross Rubin Editorial on Linux Internet Devices
Rubin's article focuses on a product segment that has recently blazing hot: the rise of the affordable, Linux-based subnotebook PC. Rubin notes the rapid rise of Linux into the mobile market in devices such as the Asus EEE PC HP Mini-Note and Everex's Cloudbook. He correctly points out that Microsoft's bloated and clunky Vista and Windows Mobile OSes cannot, even alongside the immortal Windows XP recently given a stay of execution, hope to stave off Linux forever.
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RE: Foleo no mention
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RE: Foleo no mention
By the way, I'll take your bet that Palm is still around and releasing products pass '08.
RE: Foleo no mention
"Let the name of Fooleo be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Sunnyvale. Let the name of Fooleo be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time."
RE: Foleo no mention
I wonder if Palm decides to release a new version running Nova OS would they change the name.
RE: Foleo no mention
You must be new around here.
Don't act like Palm was the first to come up with the idea of a small laptop like device. Remember the Newton Emate and the AlphaSmarts and the Cassiopeia Fivas and on and on. The Fooleo was even more limiting because it required you to have a Treo to go with it.
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22, UX50
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: Foleo no mention
> OS would they change the name...
I think that is pretty much a given.
BTW - the CFO of PALM =today= said the schedule for the "new OS devices" is not "early next year" but instead "1st half 2009".
He also noted that what has been said to be delivered by the end of THIS year is the "core OS", not the, for example, user interface part.
RE: Foleo no mention
http://www.atari-portfolio.co.uk/aboutpf/ta-aboutpf.html
MS-DOS compatible (of sorts), a monochrome "widescreen", a surprisingly robust chiclet keyboard, and no bulky floppy drive. Atari offered a variety of optional expansion cards + plug-in accessories. And it was immortalized in Terminator 2, so 'nuff said.
Prior to that we had the Tandy WP-2/SP-3 that for YEARS had the best keyboard available on an "ultraportable":
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=1256
and this nifty unit by Laser/Vtech:
http://www.larwe.com/museum/laserpc5.html
If you want something a little more modern, look at the classic Psion clamshells with superb keyboards for their size:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_5
So, no, there was *nothing* new or revolutionary about the Fooleo, save Palm's intentional crippling of its functionality and connectivity in order to try and (you guessed it!) sell MORE Treos + data plans!
Had Palm really been serious about wanting to produce a product devoid of carrier interference, they'd have come up with something resembling the Fooleo but CHOCK-FULL of bundled apps and with reasonably robust hardware. Instead, they were looking to tout a neutered, feature-hobbled device as something innovative. Or, Palm could have simply released a slimmer, debugged version of the LifeDrive utilizing flash memory. That's much more in line with their core competence of "PDA-style" devices and not the subnotebook field with which they have zero experience (it's been a long time since Hawkins was at GRiD, ya know!)
At the very least, Palm should have given the Fooleo a standard e-mail client and given it a proper CPU and video hardware capable of playing fullscreen flash video alongside 1-2gb of onboard storage!
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RE: Foleo no mention
And, yes, the 7" EEE PC is fairly toy-like and (IMO) not worthy of all of the hype surrounding it. But I'll probably give the 8.9" EEE a shot running XP before calling it a day. For my purposes (lots of e-mail & word processing/spreadsheets/digital photos) I need an optical drive and a decent-sized keyboard & screen.
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RE: Foleo no mention
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22, UX50
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: Foleo no mention
RE: Foleo no mention
But I'll probably give the 8.9" EEE a shot running XP....
I know it is more expensive, but the HP running SUSE looks really good to me, definitely like a real computer and with a real keyboard usable by a full grown man. (And I know you are a dyed in the wool Windows guy, but you really should try to get over that.) :-)
Re: Palmit's comment, I agree mostly. However, I could see the paradigm shift that Palm was trying to create and was intrigued by it. Maybe Hawkins was just too far ahead in his thinking, but the idea that your smartphone IS your mobile computer was an interesting one to consider.
"twrock is infamous around these parts" (from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: Foleo no mention - now The Lie of Instant-On
I'd cite the TreoCentral post by the Fooleo insider who said so but I'm too lazy to (1) remember his name/ID (sorry! Lousy with names! His was B-something I think; he's a PiC user as well) or (2) try to remember some words he used in the post there; the post was about some specific applicaiton that someone was wondering if it could be ported or something like that and he said "Well, we'd have to modify it to...etc etc etc".
RE: Foleo no mention
Ron: I know, I know. But there are 3 factors keeping me from jumping from the EEE to the HP:
1. The horrid Via CPU/video hardware in the HP. The aging Celeron + Intel GMA in the EEE just smokes it!
2. The side-mounted touchpad buttons blow
3. They do not appear to be available retail yet anywhere so I cannot fondle one
4. I had already bought a 4G EEE
That said, I expect Asus to pull a Palm and sort of rest on their laurels with the EEE and keep jacking the price up while offering minimal improvements/upgrades. In 6-9 months' time I think we'll have a very nice Atom-powered HP. I'd consider slapping a 7200rpm HD in that sucker and never look back. Of course, I'm hoping that all of this frenzy in the $300-$500 ultraportables ends up forcing the price of small 11-12" screeen "real" notebooks w/ optical drives & multi-core CPUs down to reasonable levels ($<800)
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RE: Foleo no mention
Yup, that's him....let me look up his post on TreoCentral...found it! (*):
== "...OpenOffice would require a lot of work to port to the device. You
== would have to rework the whole graphical interface to use the Foleo's
== system libraries...The program would also need logic changes to work
== well in the "instant-on" application model..."
- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=1336614&postcount=42
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(*) Strangely, he only mentioned "instant" ONCE with all his posts on TreoCentral, according to the Advanced Search function. Somehow, I find that pretty hard to believe.
Anywho, he's a reader/poster here occasionally and may still have Fooleo interest so may read this thread and may comment, since I'm just going by what he posted in the first place.
RE: Foleo no mention
SUSE sucks on it. Haven't you been doing your reading? Get the cheapest one and install XP. Then it becomes decent. Still damnably underpowered due to that VIA crap chip, but better than the Linux they threw on (up?) it. The MSI Wind is really the one to look at.
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/msi-wind-610-in-us/
And if we're getting all nostalgic about past devices, shout out to the still-luscious Gateway Handbook:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_Handbook
No, I didn't own one. By the time the specs made it worthwhile, the battery life had turned to absolute crap.
RE: Foleo no mention
The MSI unit looks GREAT on paper...but can MSI properly support such a beast? I've had a few of their mobos in the past and they just sort of left 'e hanging in regards to BIOS updates/new drivers/support.
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RE: Foleo no mention
SUSE sucks on it. Haven't you been doing your reading?
I guess I haven't. I really don't intend to get the HP or any new laptop at the moment, so I didn't look at it further than the initial announcement and size specs. Since I've got an old Dell 700m running Ubuntu (relatively small 12" laptop), I don't have any excuse for upgrading at the moment.
But weren't you an SUSE guy? I thought I remembered that, but maybe I'm mixing that up. I'm pretty sold on Ubuntu, so before I got serious about anything new in hardware, I'd check out if it'd be able to run that well first. But I'm really sure I'm not going to be getting any Eee PC with that overly small form factor.
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RE: Foleo no mention
No, I'm not pro-Linux at all. Thank (or blame) Nokia for that.
But that is the power of Linux, if it doesn't work to your expectations, you can modify it until it does unlike Windos. Unless you're the typical windos user, in which case you blame the OS and stay hugging your saftey blanket.
RE: Foleo no mention
No. I have a LIFE. I DO things. Like go out. Date women. Read books. And know how to properly capitalize.
Imagine that.
RE: Foleo no mention
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RE: Foleo no mention
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Foleo no mention
Its like Rodney said, Palm gets no respect!