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The other thing I've noticed is the lack of the "1234" box on the upper right corner. Looks like there's a category, but it's too blurred .

I'm satisfied to see that you can again do nothing but follow my lead. Heel, Pavlov. Good doggie.

Apologize? Hahahahaha. The estrogen must be eating at your brain -- well, that or the herpes.

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/new-palm2005-en.shtml

All good things...

Would be nice to see the "alleged" LD alongside other devices tho. And I do mean alleged.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

There are trade offs here for this alleged product.

Horse hockey.
This would be a multi-gig microdrive, ie CF form factor. Pick just about any current model pocketpc with dual slots, one being CF, and it's still thinner than my Tungsten C, which is still smaller that 2 T5's.

This thing is about 2/3 the width of a tungsten E, and maybe a little shorter, and a little thicker. It should be about as pocketable as an iPod.

Or am I just imagining things? But otherwise, that stylus is HUGE.

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I wonder if the following are back too, which every T series had except for the T5:
- vibrating alarms?
- alarm / charging LED?
- quick access to clock by pressing the center of the navigation pad while it's turned off?
- ships with a cradle?
- can use the stylus tip to perform a soft reset?
- very fast soft and hard resets?
- very reliable?

Too bad it still does NOT have a:
- front facing speaker
- universal connector (or at least mini USB)
- graffiti 1 support (?)
like the Tungsten T1, T2, and T3 has.

I am glad palmOne will finally have a PDA with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth in one unit.
It's about time!!!

I wonder what the battery life will be like???

By the way, I'd rather have 4 GB of Flash memory built-in instead of a 4 GB hard drive. A hard drive may be cheaper, but Flash memory prices are dropping fast, and Flash memory:
- uses less power
- has faster access times
- is silent
- takes up less space
- is more rugged.

palmOne probably could get Flash memory much cheaper than we can. With 1 GB SD costing less than $80, palmOne could probably get these in large quantities for less than $30 each. Add four of these in place of the hard drive, and it will probably not cost that much more than a hard drive.

This covers my feelings almost exactly, except the PDA I currently use is even older. With no signs of OS 6 from PalmOne I am probably going to be movig to another platform soon (even though I am not that thrilled with the other options). I am tired of waiting for PalmOne to get serious about providing any modern solutions.

This covers my feelings almost exactly, except the PDA I currently use is even older. With no signs of OS 6 from PalmOne I am probably going to be movig to another platform soon (even though I am not that thrilled with the other options). I am tired of waiting for PalmOne to get serious about providing any modern solutions.

What exactly are you trying to do with your PDA that you can't with PalmOS 5 but think you will be able to accomplish with PalmOS 6? Most people (not necessarily you) don't seem to understand that Cobalt is not as big a "paradigm shift" as they think it is.

Unless you have some VERY specific PalmOS 6 needs, most people would be better served by sticking with a tweaked version of PalmOS 5 and then optimizing it with some well-selected apps.

Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes...

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The main advantage I can see that OS6 has is multi tasking. If it works like I think it should, I can run my GPS app and switch over to other apps without having to kill it. My T3 would be a killer car computer if I could do the GPS and ODBII app at the same time.

http://homepage.mac.com/gregjsmith

Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes...

You have no idea how many developers that are waiting for Cobalt to port apps from other platforms, frustrated by the lack of Cobalt devices, and getting impatient for a Cobalt release. Cobalt is a big "paradigm shift" and you do not yet know the power under the hood.

How many? Three?

Let's see... no one has ANY Cobalt devices available, but there are millions of PalmOS 3, 4 and 5 devices around. Millions. Cobalt sales in 2005 will probably be less than 100,000 devices. Hmmm.... HUGE market for Cobalt apps, huh?

As a developer, why the he!! would I waste ANY time porting my apps at this point in time? Think about it in terms of Return on Investment. The Catch 22: no devices = no Cobalt-specific apps = no devices = no Cobalt-specific apps...

Cobalt Theory means NOTHING until it's out there in the hands of paying customers, undergoing Palm's standard beta testing. That's when we'll hear all the horror stories about the multitasking instability, lack of telephony stacks for cellphone carriers, etc.

Emperor Cobalt has no clothes. Say it with me: "Emperor Cobalt has no clothes." The peasants are finally starting to catch on. The problem is that no one can predict how much longer tarted-up versions of PalmOS 5 can withstand the body blows being delivered by Windows devices with their seductive hardware. The OLED-screened CLIEs that were scheduled to come out this spring would have kept a lot of the deserters in the PalmOS fold. Oh well. Que sera sera.

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That sure would help.

Regarding your other points against what I posted.

Yes, Garnet can do most of what is needed, especially with the right helps. But, it needs a standard way to do it and it needed this 1-2 years ago. Multi-tasking has always been sort of possible with HackMaster. But, what about the crashes? Native file formats have been possible with some photo programs and Docs-to-go. DTG crashes on my Zire 72 as often as it runs properly. You cant' cut and paste properly. You wait and wait for proper screen support of Virtual Grafitti with FITALY or other programs because Palm OS 5 doesn't do it natively, and Sony does (or did) it one way while PalmOne did it another way.

We needed Cobalt 1-2 years ago, especially for a multimedia powerhouse like the LifeDrive would be with it. Alas.

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Palminfocenter is circling the bowl one last time on its way to the septic tank of history...

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so to differentiate that, docs should have the stuff in their brain (most most most of the time, that's why it's tough), and should go somewhere else to do the reading not in situ :)

There are radiologists carrying patient *x-rays* in iPods. Wake up!

Thanks for the informative, if unnesessarily harsh, reply.

I know that rude is your style, and mikecane won't be asked to head any diplomatic missions any decade soon, bur at least cane does his research. Had you bothered to talk to any medical professionals, you might have found out that while the big high res screen is good, a lot of radiologists (particularly when on call) lust for something that they can use to download a digital image and do a quick review. The nice thing about digital, is that the area in question can be zoomed in on and can be used with a small screen. My source tells me that he carries a laptop when he goes out and its saved a few trips to the hospital. He had heard about the Life Drive and was asking about it. He would love something like this. He thought the Tapwave article could actually be real, because its just like how the drug whores...er reps do things.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

HA! I'm glad someone else is noticing. The guy (and I use that term generically) is a real Jerk Of All Trades. Oh, don't forget his BDSM expertise. I guess that also makes him a Jerk OFF Of All Trades.

What's this about "improved fast scrolling"? What does THAT mean?!

And does Acrobat mean the same software we've had to put up with all this time -- or a better version?

That File Transfer shot shows a *T5* connection.

And what kind of codec are they using to fit 4 movies on the HD?

Does Kinoma actually play movies in full resolution and on the full screen? My what a pathetic joke that v2x was. Make the awesome HVGA screens look like an m130 with about 40% of the real estate wasted for their idiotic controls.

Why not allow it to run full screen? Maybe v3 fixes?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

On a 320x320 square screen, I don't mind it being letterboxed, just select black background to hide controls.

I too would like native DivX, but I already fill my 1gig SD and my 64Mb even without 700MB DivX movies.

Kinoma's not perfect, but it can work in a pinch until somebody does it right.

But even with 700MB DivX files, it is still easy to get over 4 movies in 4Gigs of avail memory.

-Chris

Tungsten C, Palm IIIxe, Wizard OZ-9520

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

2. How does my PIM data be seamlessly accessed yet reside on the 4GB? I ask this because on the T5, you can't store/access PIM data on the "Internal". Maybe with updated PIM apps they are smart enough to look at the 4GB?
>> would be a great idea, but why?
3. I hope the 32MB is *REAL* RAM.
>> me too

4. I hope they fixed the 8-limit-Find Bug.
>> everytime i read this i realize how little i use the find.

5. I hope I can get G1 in some incarnation.
>> G1 tis dead my friend. Jot and Teal are your only copycat saviors

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That right there is almost enough to push me into the PPC camp. Almost. Until then, I'll keep b!tching and moaning and hoping that some enterprising developer can cobble together a reasonable solution for the G1 fans out there. Dvorak keyboards are still an option under modern-day Windows. Dvorak keyboards can still be purchased through the right channels. Why does no such option exist for a G1 plugin??

Ryan, please start a PIC petition/drive/fund a PayPal jackpot to entice someone to do the above. Gekko and I will gladly chip in for it!

Get yourself right with God, twizza. You are falling into infidelism!

MC;
G2 is quite fine friend. Yes, for those who had dont G1 for many many moons before there were rocks to throw it hurts; but it isnt as bad for those who are new and dont want to learn how to write differently. Should there be an option (much like WinMob)? Probably. But if you give people a choice between something that is similar to what they already do, and the choice to change something that they had been doing since Kindergarden, most dont want to change.
So, G1 over G2 loses here. Yell abuot it, throw a hissy fit, and pay a developer to make G1 work on newer OS5 devices.

antoinerjwright.com

Why would the PIM data be on the HD in the first place? Do you put the PIM db's right now on the external storage card? I would assume the PIM DB's would remain in ram (synchronized via NVFS) to nand storage heap. The internal volume would be extra storage just like that on the T5.

What I would really like to see is a Rom update for the T5 similar to the one for the Treo 650 that reduces the overhead of NVFS. Perhaps, PalmOne doesn't think it is as necessary for the T5 b/c of the larger Nand, but I think it would be foolish if they didn't provide the update for T5 users as well...

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If you recall, Palmone abandoned G1 during the unistrokes patent litigation with Xerox Corp. The eventually won the case, but had already decided to adopt G2 prior to the final ruling. I would assume the PalmOne could revert back to G1 if they really wanted to, but I doubt they would since G2 is probably viewed as closer to real HWR script. Besides, the only people who really care about G1 are old time palmos users, not most of the new users PalmOne is trying to court.

Also, you should checkout Tealscript etc if you really want G1-like functionality.

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I believe flash memory access time is about 3.8~4.2 ms...

Gekko, the PIM db's are not in the Ram in the first place!! The PIM db's are on the Nand storage heap (like all other data) and are synced via 10 MB DB cache. The 32 MB Ram is not visible to the user and is NOT the bottleneck to the amount of data or contacts you can add to the device...

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Thanks for the info & advice. I'll just go on record again as saying that I struggled with TealScript for many weeks trying to get it to mimic G1 PRECISELY as it was on my T|T. It's still NOT the same--speed & accuracy both suffer in side-to-side comparisons. It wouldn't hurt P1 a BIT to offer a legacy, 100% legit, G1 plug-in on their website (totally unsupported past their README file, of course) just as a token bone of appreciation to their longtime loyal users.

Jeff;

It's a good thing PalmSource didn't hire you. With that type of shortsighted ignorance ("G2 is newer, so it's automatically better"), their eulogy would be written even sooner that anyone expected. Using that logic, a PPC user could tell you to give up your website as the golden age of Palm is long past as well.

Your fanatical zeal with the lameduck T5 & NVFS obviously extends to Graffiti 2 as well. Just because I prefer to listen to my worldband radio, does that mean I live in the past or am somehow worse off than someone with a fancy new XM receiver? Graffiti 1 is intuitive, fast, accurate, and works on a nearly subconscious level if you spend enough time with it. I have used it faithfully from 1996-present so I like to think that I am fairly comfortable with it.

MS Bob was more natural for first-time PC owners but you don't see it still for sale today,do you? Yet if it WERE still marketed by MS, I wouldn't be moaning in the slightest about it. Just as long as customers are offered a choice! P1's blatant disregard for G1 & users of Pilots since the beginning is frighteningly analogous to the cell phone carriers not offering their high-volume, longterm customers any of the deals they offer new signups. In the end, punishing customer loyalty will come back to haunt everyone mentioned above.

Piffle. 3,010 Memos. Menu->Info = 15708K MemosDB. And *you're* worried about the LD "RAM" area? We went over this in the Forums, but I guess your drunken stupors are again blighting your biological RAM cache...

There is no reasonable excuse for PalmOne and PalmSource not offering a way for users to run G1, none. I simply cannot get G2 to work at a speed that makes it worthwhile. Now, I use FITALY anyway, but POS is making a huge mistake in keeping G1 on shelf.

TealScript crashed my UX50 so badly I was afraid the screen would get cracked. Never again. First Tealpoint app I've EVER had problems with. In over 5 years. (By the way, Teal absolutely ROCKS as a developer - these guys are as usually as solid as it gets.)

Now I've gotta check if the old G1 libraries will work on the VZ90...





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Kirvin: Get over it. If you've got so much bloody money, take PalmOne's advice and shut up.

Jeff, wake up! This is a BUG! There is NO excusing it and p1 should FIX IT ASAP. You didn't stand for the crap PPC offers, why settle for crap that p1 serves up? It should have been fixed BY NOW. That it hasn't been, is contemptible.

I'm still wondering: 32K Memos, 4GB HD --> *1K CLIPBOARD*?!!?

WTF is their excuse for 32K Memos and 1K Clipboard? What will you say if the TE2 and the LifeDrive *STILL* have this?

Send me a different email address. Everything is bouncing, dammit!

Compare and contrast Kirvin to an intelligent writer like Larry Garfield (or even Ska! ;-O) and you'll see why Kirvin is such a joke. And by the way, Jeff, Rule # 1 for tech writers is "Tell the truth. Always.". There will always be many in your audience that know a he11 of a lot more about the subject at hand than you do, and once you start to spew BS all around, that BS will instantly turn into quicksand that swallows all of your credibility.

You want to showcase your sK1llz? Ask Ryan to give you a soapbox for a weekly piece about PalmOS hardware/software. And remember: no BS.





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http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7748#105661

You said it.





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Do we have an envy problem that no one asked you to do a podcast or that you have apparently never had the guts to be self employed? By the way waiting on the review of the cancelled product that you keep harping about.

With this I will try to back off the ad hominum attacks of VOR, its too much like hunting in a baited field.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

As for the NetFront thing, we seem to have differing opinions of what "stolen" means. I think you can't steal what's given freely, and Sony makes NetFront downloadable, IIRC. I could be wrong.

I think I've figured out why I annoy the wingnuts so much. I'm a natural optimist. I try to assume tae best in any situation. That's what gives me the stones to work for myself, and it's why I tend to come down directly opposed to the "doom and gloom" perspective so popular among the wingnuts. I assume thing will work until I see otherwise. The miracle of this is that I'm right at least as often as the Murphy's Law proponets. Perception really does shape reality.

It also means that I tend to look at the big picture more often than they do. They're complaining about the details (G2, NVFS, etc.) while I'm looking at the long view (Palm OS on phones, tablets, UPCs, subnotebooks, media players). From that altitude, I can see that the details that so incense the wingnuts for the trivialities that they are, but the wingnuts don't want to hear it.

It's sad, really.

"kirvin is a left-wing liberal and his hero is that fat socialist pig Michael Moore. and he's calling us wingnuts? please."

Wow. I have to say, I know I'm doing well when all the opposition can come up with are poorly-formed ad hominem attacks...

Yes, I'm liberal. According to the dictionary, that means:

# Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
# Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Yup, that's pretty much me. Care to tell me why any of that is a bad thing?

I enjoy Moore's movies and books, to be sure, but I wouldn't call him my hero, and I'm not sure where you got the idea.

Is this really the best you can do, G? No comments about the actual issues or ideas? You're slipping, man. Must be the stress of running your "vast empire."

Mikey, your Mommy says "Hi".

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"they sold you a car with no hub caps?? You don't NEED them!"

You must have missed that "Top 10 Selling Handhelds" list where the X50v & HP4700 (megabux) both spanked PalmOne's pathetic T5 egg in sheer sales numbers. Your point is well taken on price points, but if you keep trying to market substandard features like P1 did last fall, then you're dead. Give cutting edge power features and it appears the market will reward you. P1 couldn't even include a cradle and VR for $400 ... geesh!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

If they *really* wanted to market it as a media player, they should have NOT used the Tungsten brand name.

How long before TiVO wakes up to the possibilities of a Pocket TiVO, eh?

As for the size, I think it'll be fine. You can't go by pictures. You have to heft the thing in person. Someone I know went and bought that Creative. Now THAT is a BRICK! With a pethetic 240x320 screen too.

Two major differences:

- You need to boot up your notebook PC, which takes a while.
- The notebook's battery life averages 3-4 hours with a Centrino chip.

It's all about perception, people.

No, Kirvin. It's all about price, size, and value for dollar.

I've seen a lot of wingnuts complaining recently about the size of the PalmOne LifeDrive. Assuming this thing materializes as the pictures have shown, it's thicker than a modern PDA should be. But you know what? That's okay.

No, it's not OK. This is not a laptop. If you want to sell something like this, first you have to get the SIZE right. Like that stupid (but brilliantly designed) iPod lineup.

It's not a PDA.

Ahem. No. It is a PDA.

The LifeDrive is a media player. It competes with the iPod, Archos players, etc. It's far, far smaller than Creative's brick of a personal video player, and smaller than most of the devices that compete with it. It also has double the screen density of the QVGA players (and more pixels than the Sony PSP, too). In short, as a media player, it's very well positioned to attack the market, doing things no other single device can do.

You obviously haven't used a CLIE VZ90. That device is so slick it makes the new Palm look like a caveman tool. The VZ90 is a media player. But guess what? SIZE MATTERS. And even a device as good as the VZ90 is around 25% too big to be acceptable to the average iPod/Tungsten E lovin' consumer that drives the market. I wish I knew W T F Palm was thinking here. There is no reason for its PDAs to be as big as they are. The UX50, Vx, T3, etc. all got the form factor right and are timeless designs. Palm's latest egg is going to sink as fast as the brick it resembles. They should offer Brick Red as a Special Edition color to boost sales once this thing starts to tank by the Summer.

while it has PDA functionality (the same PIM apps as the Tungsten series, and Documents To Go), it's not really a PDA. All the crap that the wingnuts complain about is completely irrelevant if you look at this as a media player that can double as a PDA rather than a PDA that can double as a media player.

Spin away, Kirvin. You're sounding more and more like Palm's Official Apologist, Michael "The O.A." Mace every day. While my VZ90 review presents a similar argument in favor of that PDA, ultimately, SIZE MATTERS. These things are not laptops. They absolutely have to be as small as possible, otherwise - as nice as they may be - they will fail. Non-geeks don't like bricks™.

Whatever it is, it had better fit comfortably in the pocket. That's all that matters, no matter how you slice and dice the semantics.

Bingo.

WHERE are the componentry cost driving the MSRP to $500+ ??

Didn't you see that pa1mOne logo? That cost you $100.

P1, please offer a cut-down version of the above on your webstore only. Replace the 4gb HD with a 1gb flash architecture but keep all of the other features intact. I'd rather pay $400 for the above device than $500 for one with a HD. If necessary, put the T5 out of its misery now so that you can do a "LifeDrive Lite" w/o a HD. Make the casing black not only to differentiate it but to bring back fond memopries of the IBM Workpads.

You want "revolutionary"? How about 256 MB of REAL RAM (no NVRAM crap, please), a 1 GB SD card and two SDIO slots, all in a high quality black magnesium alloy case? Removeable battery, free copy of BackupMan + include the top 10 freeware apps and games (FileZ, HandyShopper, Vexed etc.) on the installation CD. Shocking, isn't it? Hard, isn't it?

My own personal comment... If I have to carry this thing in a bag, I might as well just use my laptop.

Kirvin just doesn't get that... SIZE MATTERS. That's why I use a tiny-screened UX50 most of the time while the stunning OLED-screened VZ90 usually sits at home. Apple understands industrial design. Palm doesn't.

"I was thinking the EXACT same thing. If it's not in my pants or shirt pocket, then it is in a bag. And if so, I'll just bring my laptop - which is a great 'multimedia device'."

Two major differences:

- You need to boot up your notebook PC, which takes a while.
- The notebook's battery life averages 3-4 hours with a Centrino chip.

Actually a lot of Centrino laptops beat a lot of Palms in terms of battery life. My X40 lasts 5 hours. TE, T3 and UX50 all probably get 3 hours or less of REAL use. But that's comparing apples (small 4 or 5 ounce pocketable PDAs) to oranges (bigger 2 - 4 pound case-needing laptops) As soon as you start making PDAs too big to be pocketable, suddenly their tradeoffs (inability to run true Windows apps, small screen, limited hard drive sizes, etc.) become a fatal liability. You can now get decent 1 pound devices that run Real Windows. Palm (and even devices like the clever Sigmarion III) will never be able to out-Windows Windows. They have to beat Windows with superion size, battery life, stability, speed, etc. Right now the only beating Palm's designers is doing is OFF. Frequently.

Tiny cellphones and MP3 players are popular for a reason. Palm should focus on size, quality and functionality. Next-generation smaller T3, TH55 and UX50 with dual wireless, better battery performance and OLED screens are where they need to go. Laying eggs like the bogus T5 and T7 just won't cut it.

No, those of use that actually LIKE PalmOne and Palm OS are just taking back the site from the wingnuts that just want to complain and prove to everyone how very clever they are.

Delta Force leader: "We just lost Private Kirvin."
Delta Force members: "So?"

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It's all about perception, people.

No, Kirvin. It's all about price, size, and value for dollar.

I've seen a lot of wingnuts complaining recently about the size of the PalmOne LifeDrive. Assuming this thing materializes as the pictures have shown, it's thicker than a modern PDA should be. But you know what? That's okay.

No, it's not OK. This is not a laptop. If you want to sell something like this, first you have to get the SIZE right. Like that stupid (but brilliantly designed) iPod lineup.

It's not a PDA.

Ahem. No. It is a PDA.

The LifeDrive is a media player. It competes with the iPod, Archos players, etc. It's far, far smaller than Creative's brick of a personal video player, and smaller than most of the devices that compete with it. It also has double the screen density of the QVGA players (and more pixels than the Sony PSP, too). In short, as a media player, it's very well positioned to attack the market, doing things no other single device can do.

You obviously haven't used a CLIE VZ90. That device is so slick it makes the new Palm look like a caveman tool. The VZ90 is a media player. But guess what? SIZE MATTERS. And even a device as good as the VZ90 is around 25% too big to be acceptable to the average iPod/Tungsten E lovin' consumer that drives the market. I wish I knew W T F Palm was thinking here. There is no reason for its PDAs to be as big as they are. The UX50, Vx, T3, etc. all got the form factor right and are timeless designs. Palm's latest egg is going to sink as fast as the brick it resembles. They should offer Brick Red as a Special Edition color to boost sales once this thing starts to tank by the Summer.

while it has PDA functionality (the same PIM apps as the Tungsten series, and Documents To Go), it's not really a PDA. All the crap that the wingnuts complain about is completely irrelevant if you look at this as a media player that can double as a PDA rather than a PDA that can double as a media player.

Spin away, Kirvin. You're sounding more and more like Palm's Official Apologist, Michael "The O.A." Mace every day. While my VZ90 review presents a similar argument in favor of that PDA, ultimately, SIZE MATTERS. These things are not laptops. They absolutely have to be as small as possible, otherwise - as nice as they may be - they will fail. Non-geeks don't like bricks™.

Whatever it is, it had better fit comfortably in the pocket. That's all that matters, no matter how you slice and dice the semantics.

Bingo.

WHERE are the componentry cost driving the MSRP to $500+ ??

Didn't you see that pa1mOne logo? That cost you $100.

P1, please offer a cut-down version of the above on your webstore only. Replace the 4gb HD with a 1gb flash architecture but keep all of the other features intact. I'd rather pay $400 for the above device than $500 for one with a HD. If necessary, put the T5 out of its misery now so that you can do a "LifeDrive Lite" w/o a HD. Make the casing black not only to differentiate it but to bring back fond memopries of the IBM Workpads.

You want "revolutionary"? How about 256 MB of REAL RAM (no NVRAM crap, please), a 1 GB SD card and two SDIO slots, all in a high quality black magnesium alloy case? Removeable battery, free copy of BackupMan + include the top 10 freeware apps and games (FileZ, HandyShopper, Vexed etc.) on the installation CD. Shocking, isn't it? Hard, isn't it?

My own personal comment... If I have to carry this thing in a bag, I might as well just use my laptop.

Kirvin just doesn't get that... SIZE MATTERS. That's why I use a tiny-screened UX50 most of the time while the stunning OLED-screened VZ90 usually sits at home. Apple understands industrial design. Palm doesn't.

"I was thinking the EXACT same thing. If it's not in my pants or shirt pocket, then it is in a bag. And if so, I'll just bring my laptop - which is a great 'multimedia device'."

Two major differences:

- You need to boot up your notebook PC, which takes a while.
- The notebook's battery life averages 3-4 hours with a Centrino chip.

Actually a lot of Centrino laptops beat a lot of Palms in terms of battery life. My X40 lasts 5 hours. TE, T3 and UX50 all probably get 3 hours or less of REAL use. But that's comparing apples (small 4 or 5 ounce pocketable PDAs) to oranges (bigger 2 - 4 pound case-needing laptops) As soon as you start making PDAs too big to be pocketable, suddenly their tradeoffs (inability to run true Windows apps, small screen, limited hard drive sizes, etc.) become a fatal liability. You can now get decent 1 pound devices that run Real Windows. Palm (and even devices like the clever Sigmarion III) will never be able to out-Windows Windows. They have to beat Windows with superion size, battery life, stability, speed, etc. Right now the only beating Palm's designers is doing is OFF. Frequently.

Tiny cellphones and MP3 players are popular for a reason. Palm should focus on size, quality and functionality. Next-generation smaller T3, TH55 and UX50 with dual wireless, better battery performance and OLED screens are where they need to go. Laying eggs like the bogus T5 and T7 just won't cut it.

No, those of use that actually LIKE PalmOne and Palm OS are just taking back the site from the wingnuts that just want to complain and prove to everyone how very clever they are.

Delta Force leader: "We just lost Private Kirvin."
Delta Force members: "So?"

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VOR:
You make a ton of good points. And I would agree with your assessment about the LD and size if we had real numbers. Visual perceptions and extrapolated numbers are usually off in the "too large direction." It would be great if this was no longer than the T5 and no thicker than the T3. That would be great, then it would just need smooth performance and a good stable of programs.

On that last note (Mike C): I know what was rumored in terms of apps, but without specifics, why keep guessing and be more wrong than right?

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-- well if your SONY VZ90 stays home MOST OF THE TIME, then guess what rah-rah-boy? SONY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ID EITHER!

You never were the brightest bulb in the box, were you, Mikey?

- Last time I checked, one PDA size did not fit all.
- The VZ90 is best considered a personal media player, and as such it's actually a tour de force.
- For me, for regular PDA use, tiny size and Bluetooth are more important than having a stunning screen, ridiculously long battery life or dual expansion. Having said that, the OLED screen is so good that I'd probably be willing to carry the extra few ounces if the VZ90 had Bluetooth. I'm hoping a CF Bluetooth card with drivers will eventually surface.

Sony understands design better than most consumer electronics or computer companies. Behold the brilliance that is the UX50, you cretin. You are unworthy. Seriously, Mike: the TH55, VZ90 and UX50 are all superb designs, but they each appeal to different market segments.

Have you broken down and bought a TH55 yet? W T F are you waiting for? Cur.

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A media player without a hard drive? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I see your new meds are still not preventing your delusions of adequacy.

Cur Cane: A media player does not need to have a hard drive. In fact, storage on CompactFash is better because it is a much more rugged format, easily changed, and more likely to be trouble-free. And given how cheap 1 GB CF cards are these days, I'm glad Sony resisted the temptation to limit the VZ90 with a flaky hard drive.

The VZ90 is the best media player yet released because it has: PalmOS (and a STABLE version to boot!), a cutting edge screen, dual expansion, incredible battery life and a relatively compact form factor. Of course, you'll never have the honor of seeing one of these babies in person. It's nice to know that the unwashed Untouchables like you will never be allowed to be in the presence of this Holy CLIE.

Enjoy your S320 and your Tungsten E, Mike. Dumba$$.

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He's now lower than the PPC weenies -- he's a CLIE weenie.

You said "a lot Centrino laptops beat a lot of palms in terms of battery life." Then you gave exactly ONE example. One is certainly not a lot. Yes, there are different devices, and have different functionaliy. But the fact remains that the AVERAGE battery life is much higher on a PDA/smartphone than a notebook PC. Why don't we compared my original Palm V to the X40?

I gave the example of the primary laptop I use and have actual proof of (as opposed to useless manufacturer-supplied battery life ratings). The PDA battery times I mentioned are also REAL WORLD times from personal experience. If you want to see how many Centrino laptops can supposedly beat the PDA 3 hour life, feel free to use Google to edumacate yourself. You'll likely find a few dozen laptops that will outlast PDAs.

The fact remains that the AVERAGE battery life is NOT much higher on a PDA than a notebook PC. The average battery life on a color screened Palm from the past couple years is probably between 3 - 5 hours. The average battery life on a Real Windows laptop from the past couple years is probably between 2 - 4 hours. Solly Chowlly. In reality, now that PDAs have added more features, battery life is no longer one of their advantages over laptops. This is underscored by Palm's silence in recent years regarding their previously touted stupendous battery life. Old monochrome Palms used to have batteries that lasted for WEEKS or even MONTHS of regular use. Palm used to mock Winmdows CE about the comparatively short battery life of WinCE color screened models. Then Palm was forced by competition to S-L-O-W-L-Y add features like color screens, multimedia, Wi-Fi (well... Wi-Fi in ONE model!), etc. and suddenly we started seeing Palms that couldn't get through the day without being recharged. Hmmmm... If you're going to have to keep recharging anyway, why not just get a subnotebook capable of running REAL Windows and be done with it? Yes, even subnotebooks don't offer the size advantage of PDAs, but once we start seeing sub-1 pound clamshell Real Windows micro laptops with 6 inch OLED screens and 8 + hour battery life, PDAs are toast. I feel the fact that PDAs have failed to maintain their edge in battery life has created an major Achilles heel for this device category.

"As soon as you start making PDAs too big to be pocketable, suddenly their tradeoffs (inability to run true Windows apps, small screen, limited hard drive sizes, etc.) become a fatal liability. You can now get decent 1 pound devices that run Real Windows. Palm (and even devices like the clever Sigmarion III) will never be able to out-Windows Windows. They have to beat Windows with superion size, battery life, stability, speed, etc. Right now the only beating Palm's designers is doing is OFF. Frequently.
Tiny cellphones and MP3 players are popular for a reason. Palm should focus on size, quality and functionality. Next-generation smaller T3, TH55 and UX50 with dual wireless, better battery performance and OLED screens are where they need to go. Laying eggs like the bogus T5 and T7 just won't cut it."

Well, how long does it take to boot up those 1 lb. Windows devices? 45 seconds instead of 60 seconds....

Well, how long does it take to boot up the horrid T5 after one of its frequent crashes? And by the way, Windows laptops have this wonderful feature called "suspend" that allows users to save battery life yet still have almost instantaneous access to Windows. Try again, Bubba.

If VoR's comments on a media player not needing a hard drive doesn't once and for all display what a brainless berk he is, the rest of you are blind.

He's now lower than the PPC weenies -- he's a CLIE weenie.

What's happened to you, Mike? The old Cane would at least have TRIED to make an credible rebuttal instead of resorting to juvenile attacks. Why don't you try to explain why a 4 MB flaky hard drive - that required PalmOS to be hacked up in order to support - is better than having an industry-standard, high speed CompactFlash slot? What's that, Mike? Can't hear you. Biotch.

No, Mike. He's a Clie Apologist. What's sad is that he's so devoted to a product that Sony axed. People that can't live in the now make me sad.

Wow Kirvin, you're really showing your true colors these days. CLIE Apologist? No, I don't have to apologize for the CLIE. Let's look at three of the last CLIEs released: UX50, TH55 and VZ90.

UX50 - best form factor, integrated + rock solid Bluetooth + Wi-Fi, digital camera + video recorder, slick keyboard, indestructable high quality magnesium clamshell case (no additional bulky case needed), premium construction quality, excellent MP3 ability, etc, etc.

TH55 - high quality construction, integrated Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, camera, nice big screen, incredible battery life (probably over quadruple that of most of Palm's models with similar sized screens) MP3, video camera (with appropriate software), innovative CLIE Organizer app (an acquired taste ;-O), etc, etc.

VZ90 - unbelievable OLED screen (you have to see it in person to appreciate how revolutionary it is!), CompactFlash support, Lexus-quality construction, powerful Wi-Fi, the best battery life of any color high res PDA yet released (even better than the TH55), etc, etc

Now let's look at the woeful recent vintage Palms:

Tungsten (Dungsten) T5 (calling this a T5 should be deemed false advertising) - cheap construction quality, buggy-as-he11 OS (couldn't even get the PIM apps right??? Wow.), tragic NVRAM, barely-acceptable battery life, no Wi-Fi, etc, etc.

Tungsten E - worst construction quality EVER for a PalmOS PDA, 3 month warranty (smart thinking, Palm), no Bluetooth or Wi-Fi, etc, etc.

Treo 650 - poor phone quality, tragic NVRAM, more bugs than even the Raid factory could handle (despite this being merely an incremental update to the Treo 600 that tookover a year to produce), crippled Bluetooth, no Wi-Fi, etc, etc.

Face it, Kirvin: even a two year old CLIE blows everythin Palm can make TODAY out of the water. Those of us who value quality, reliability and features will stick with our old CLIEs, Handera's and even older Palms. Enjoy troubleshooting your new-but-bugggy-as-he11 Palms.

Sony wasn't perfect, but it looks to me like they're not the ones that need to be apologizing.

Have a seat, Kirvin.

By the way, I've notice that a lot of things seem to "make [you] sad". If you think you have a "chemical imbalance", see your physician. There are medications available that can improve your mood disorder.





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It really is that simple. I have no explanation for how P1 keeps missing the boat on design. No explanation. I know that they must want to succeed. Everyone does. It is baffling, especially seeing your list of great Sony models. I too, loved the Sony models and had an NR70V. For all its design excellence though, it is sitting on the shelf because the connnectors have failed and Sony LIED to me about Memory Sticks going to 1 gig. If not for that one big lie I would still be a faithful Sony customer.

RE the laptops suspend feature. I have read about this before, but never heard someone who used it to replace a PDA. It doesn't matter to me as I need my PDA in my pocket, but it might matter to some. But, I know of no one who uses it in the way it is often described.

Jeff, I love your stuff. Illegitimus Carborundum.

Judging from context, I take it the LifeDrive WON'T ship with either of the above...

PIC readers breathe a sigh of relief.

As for the greedy telcos -- whose customer service was no doubt the model for p1's now-abominable service -- DoCoMo showed them how to make money off content. But did they learn? No, they think content on a phone puts them in the same league as MGM, Fox, etc. Puhleeze! Hey telcos, if you're reading this, get the point: YOU ARE NOTHING BUT PLUMBING!

YAY

But, isn't this exactly the same style of battery that's in almost every Palm Handheld? None of these can be easily replaced by the user - so what's the big deal? Send it back to the manufacturer or a 3rd party supplier and quit whinging.

Back under your bridge, troll.

Do you have anything against me personally? That's what I thought.

Answer: People with $500 who can take advantage of it for to their own advantage.

Converse Answer: Those who will not buy it are wine and moan PIC posters that pose at college students or retail wage slaves that spend too much time on the Internet instead of making money in the real world.

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Some rumors for the thickness say:
- Twice as much as the T5 (1.22)
- 180% as the T5 (1.1)

I think micro hard drives measure about 5 mm in thickness. Adding this to the T5 thickness would make it ~0.8 in.

Somebody made a good point about the stylus looking like 1/4 of the thickness. Hopefully, the stylus is not the same size as a sharpie marker...... lol

Rumors are rumors and don't we love them!!....However, we will not know for sure until the device is released.

What is it with you people and the need to play videos and play games on these devices?

I thought you use it for *REAL WORK* like me?

Give me lots of *REAL* RAM (256MB+), a nice big display, decent battery life, and Integrated WIFI and I'm happy!

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RE: 32MB RAM
gfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:19:13 AM

Well, here is how the memory architecture of the T5 is organized:

Tunsgten T5:
NAND Flash (Total Size = 256 MB)
Boot Code (< 1 MB)
Compressed ROM (14 MB)
User Data or Storage Heap (64 MB)
Internal Volume (178 MB)

RAM (Total Size = 32MB)
Decompressed Rom (16 MB)
DB Cache Area (10 MB)
Dynamic Heap (6 MB)

I assume the compressed Rom of the Life Drive would be different, but both the total Ram size and dynamic heap/storage heap should be the same (assuming the device is listed as have "63 MB" ram). The 4GB could be either Nand or HD... I don't think it matters as far as the NVFS architecture. Afterall that is the whole point of NVFS is that the device used for storage need not be NAND flash and could just as easily be a hard drive...

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A Rube Goldberg machine or device is any exceedingly complex apparatus that performs a very simple task in a very indirect and convoluted way. Rube devised and drew several such pataphysical devices. The best examples of his machines have an anticipation factor. The fact that something so wacky is happening can only be topped by it happening in a suspenseful manner.

The term also applies as a classification for generally over-complicated apparatus or software. It first appeared in Webster's Third New International Dictionary with the definition, "accomplishing by extremely complex roundabout means what actually or seemingly could be done simply."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

I tried the G1 libraries on my Z22 and it didn't work out so well (the screen freaked out and I had to end up doing a hard reset).

Any chance that similar files might exist for the Z22 (OS 5.4)?...

Thanks Igor.