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A new rendering of the rumored palmOne LifeDrive has been posted along with some additional details. Read on for more details.
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Screenshot?

LiveFaith @ 4/5/2005 5:04:17 PM # Q
Why does the applications show FileZ there? This is a freeware app that would be welcomed, but is not likely to be offered by P1. To include it on a marketing shot like this one does not seem plausable. Also, the photoshopped glare spot would have to be a new PalmOne expression.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
FileZ
potter @ 4/5/2005 5:19:15 PM # Q
That does appear to be 'FileZ'. However, examining closely the 'Z' looks fairly clear but the 'F' 'i' 'l' and 'e' are completely unreadable. It could be that this is 'Files', the application that came with the Tungsten|T5, and the way the text blurred/scaled-down just happened to form what appears to be a 'Z'.

RE: Screenshot?
palmato @ 4/5/2005 5:37:47 PM # Q
Ahem. It's big and it's a Z not an S....

The other thing I've noticed is the lack of the "1234" box on the upper right corner. Looks like there's a category, but it's too blurred .

RE: Screenshot?
feranick @ 4/5/2005 5:55:46 PM # Q
The icon is very similar to FileZ's one (at least as far as I can see it in my T|C)....
FileZ vs Files
potter @ 4/5/2005 6:29:01 PM # Q
palmato wrote @ 4/5/2005 5:37:47 PM
> Ahem. It's big and it's a Z not an S....
Some counter evidence:
* The "Z" appears to be very clear, but yet the 'F' is not.
* The top and bottom horizontal lines of the "Z" are parallel to the pixel grid of the image and not to the top and bottom of the "Life Drive's" screen.

RE: Screenshot?
m130fullbutcontent @ 4/5/2005 6:49:20 PM # Q
I would say that 'FileZ' is present because this is a 'rendering' - i.e. a fancy artists impression of the 'Life Drive' and not a photograph of a working unit. The artist concerned has therefore produced a simulated screen image - perhaps lifted from a different device running with a similar screen size -such as a T3 or T5. Personally I would place less weight on this image than the deliberately fuzzy 'sneaky' pics of what looked like a running prototype we saw days ago.

This looks to me like an industrial designers 'concept rendering (or pretty 3D drawing) of the type used to propose a design before approval is made for prototypes or mock ups to be made for real. These would be easier to get hold of & copy than images of a finalised product I suspect.

[Well thats my opinion/suspicion anyway :-) ]

RE: Screenshot?
kevinbgood @ 4/5/2005 10:19:52 PM # Q
Who cares?

Addicted to Palm
RE: Screenshot?
LiveFaith @ 4/6/2005 10:39:22 AM # Q
Actually, the icon is different from the standard FileZ on currently available. Yes, this is an artist rendering no doubt. The question is whether it's a rendering by a PalmOne artist and if so, whether it is an actual product?

Strange that an artist would great an entirely new icon too.

Kevin. I'm addicted to Palm too, but if the PalmOne lays an egg this spring like they did in the fall, then we will may be addicted to a ex-Palm.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Screenshot?
rsc1000 @ 4/6/2005 2:57:47 PM # Q
Not to get too hung up on this - but that is exactly the icon that is on the version of FileZ that is on my device. The text - with big 'Z' - is identical. That is FileZ.


RE: Screenshot?
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 3:39:53 PM # Q
A clue: p1's app icons sit on top of a blue oval.

RE: Screenshot?
happypalms @ 4/6/2005 6:59:39 PM # Q
Also, Facer Launcher is there.

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The PalmCube® is cumming
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/10/2005 3:14:52 PM # Q
With a big stiff hard drive and bursting with RUBE(Goldberg)RAM™, it's gonna splatter all over the faces of eager Palm lovers around the world. This monster is set to erupt in two weeks. Bend over and assume the position, Citizen Cane.





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RE: Screenshot?
mikecane @ 4/10/2005 7:50:57 PM # Q
>>>RUBE(Goldberg) RAM

I'm satisfied to see that you can again do nothing but follow my lead. Heel, Pavlov. Good doggie.

Mike Cane: feel free to plagiarize me some more.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/11/2005 9:22:20 AM # Q
>>>RUBE(Goldberg)™RAM

I'm satisfied to see that you can again do nothing but follow my lead. Heel, Pavlov. Good doggie.

http://tinyurl.com/3nz4f

http://tinyurl.com/67han

It must suck to be you, Mike. I expect you won't have the guts to apologize . Dumba$$.


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RE: Screenshot?
mikecane @ 4/11/2005 10:36:13 AM # Q
As if I even remember your tawdry posts. But, Christ, this must mean I've been infected by you.

Apologize? Hahahahaha. The estrogen must be eating at your brain -- well, that or the herpes.

FileZ vs Files
potter @ 4/12/2005 1:05:51 PM # Q
FileZ vs Files

FileZ vs Files
potter @ 4/12/2005 1:06:42 PM # Q
Previously I argued that the application in the screen shot above might not be FileZ but a scaling aberration and might actually be Files. However, upon looking at the larger images on Mobile-review.com, I now concede, it is most clearly FileZ.

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/new-palm2005-en.shtml

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that thing is GINORMOUS!

mr_yellow @ 4/5/2005 5:04:59 PM # Q
seriously.... A pda was meant to be mobile. what ever happened to thin and light and small formfactor?!

Ah well.. features look sweet though.

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
InsGuy @ 4/5/2005 5:14:25 PM # Q
WAY TOO BIG! That is a brick if there ever was one. Nice looking though. It seems that more and more this IS the device that will be released soon. We'll see....


All good things...

Trade-Offs
potter @ 4/5/2005 5:24:13 PM # Q
With any PDA design, there are trade offs. The designers have to balance aesthetics, usability, battery life, features, performance, resolution, etc. With this device's features (full screen, Wifi and Hard Drive) and expected usage (Wifi, and Multi-Media player) this device is going to need a large capacity battery or else it will have a very short battery life; therefore it has a large battery and therefore it has to be thick.

I do agree this device is going to be a thick one, but I think I can live with it.

Question: How does its size compare to say one of the high-end Sony devices, like the UX50 or NZ-90?

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
LiveFaith @ 4/5/2005 5:38:43 PM # Q
UX50 or NZ90. That's like saying how does a Ford compare to the size of Chevys like the Cavalier or Suburban. The UX is decent, but the NZ90 is a boat anchor in size.

Would be nice to see the "alleged" LD alongside other devices tho. And I do mean alleged.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
specterss @ 4/5/2005 5:48:09 PM # Q
UX50 and nz90 are not compareable. UX50 + TE < nz90

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
RhinoSteve @ 4/5/2005 5:52:29 PM # Q
If this alleged unit has an alleged mini-hard disk, then that is contributing to the thickness. Look at your any of the MP3 players out there with mini-hard disks (iPod, Zen, etc.) and you have similar thicknesses.

There are trade offs here for this alleged product.

UX50, NZ90 Comparison
potter @ 4/5/2005 6:17:41 PM # Q
From http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6162 the UX50 was .7 inches thick.
From http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5065 the NZ90 was .9 inches thick.
From http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26780 I had estimated that the "Life Drive" will be about .79 inches thick.

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
cbowers @ 4/6/2005 12:08:27 AM # Q
"Look at your any of the MP3 players out there with mini-hard disks (iPod, Zen, etc.) and you have similar thicknesses. There are trade offs here for this alleged product."

Horse hockey.
This would be a multi-gig microdrive, ie CF form factor. Pick just about any current model pocketpc with dual slots, one being CF, and it's still thinner than my Tungsten C, which is still smaller that 2 T5's.

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
Myndwalker @ 4/6/2005 12:53:13 AM # Q
I have decided I must have one, but I will be using a mens size 13 furry pink bunny slipper as a case since it is the only thing large enough to hold it and soft enough to protect the STUPID microdrive that will stop often becuase it DOES NOT HAVE REPLACEABLE BATTERIES which it needs because IT ALSO NEEDS A 624MHZ PROCESSOR.

Ho-hum. Back to my T3 until forced to go PPC.

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
matthias @ 4/6/2005 8:04:03 AM # Q
Well, when you take your older Palm AND your iPod mini out of your pocket, you should have more than enough space to fit one of these things.


- Matthias
RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
InsGuy @ 4/6/2005 11:06:29 AM # Q
Myndwalker - I agree. If ppc units can achieve thinner units with dual slots, removable batteries, wifi, BT, and 624 MHZ of power, then this should be able to do the same. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the stylish looks of the device, and I hope it incorporates at least MOST of what is being written now, but I still think it'll be too thick for a lot of people. Also, why is it that PPC can have, for all practical purposes, G1, but Palm devices can't? I STILL can't figure that one out.
Oh well...

All good things...
That's not a brick, it's an iPod....
JonAcheson @ 4/6/2005 11:44:27 AM # Q
It's not as big as you think, if that picture is accurate. Look at the size of the stylus and SD slot compared to the width of the device.

This thing is about 2/3 the width of a tungsten E, and maybe a little shorter, and a little thicker. It should be about as pocketable as an iPod.

Or am I just imagining things? But otherwise, that stylus is HUGE.


"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 1:55:45 PM # Q
>>>Also, why is it that PPC can have, for all practical purposes, G1, but Palm devices can't? I STILL can't figure that one out.

Repeating for those who keep missing it:

Microsoft got a license from Xerox to cover their butt. Most likely -- as with their Calligrapher license for PPC Transcriber -- the license is *exclusive* and prohibits Xerox (as well as Calli's company) from offering it for other handheld platforms.

The only way for p1 to offer G1 is for them to crush the Xerox suit to the extreme satisfaction of their attorneys. Meaning, if Xerox has indeed appealed, p1 must win that appeal too. That should satisfy the legalities. Now, as for whether p1 would then even offer G1 after that is another matter entirely.

RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
LiveFaith @ 4/6/2005 2:07:05 PM # Q
Mike,
Are you one of those crazy protesters I saw on TV at the G2 Summit? Is the what that G# was all about?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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Image zoom

spiros @ 4/5/2005 5:05:05 PM # Q
The text items in the image above specify (after zooming the image - question marks are mine):

MIC
VR (?)
Rotate
Audio Jack
LED (lightpipe)
4-way control
Center-select
4 app keys
Reset
Stylus
IR
3 Position Power switch (?)
SD
Speaker
HD (!)
Battery


RE: Image zoom
JKingGrim @ 4/5/2005 5:19:28 PM # Q
VR = voice recorder.
3 way power switch = on/off/hold.

RE: Image zoom
specterss @ 4/5/2005 5:37:41 PM # Q
vr= voice recorder, hd=hard disc

RE: Image zoom
WileyCoyote @ 4/5/2005 6:42:19 PM # Q
VR? Virtual Reality of course. Finally a holographic PDA
So did anyone wonder if the SD slot area seemed rather large?
Could this have two SD slots? I am NOT going to whine about it not having a retarded CF slot- I will leave that to others.

RE: Image zoom
mikecane @ 4/5/2005 6:56:58 PM # Q
Lightpipe? Let's hope it shows:

1) Charging
2) Full Charge
3) BT on
4) WiFi on
5) HD access

Though I could get along without 3 & 4. 1, 2 & 5 are MUSTs, I think.

Lightpipe?
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 11:52:09 AM # Q

Is this anything like the CrackPipe MikeCon smokes?

RE: Image zoom
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 1:59:31 PM # Q
Gekko, and then you wonder why people put you on the same low level as VoR? You say you're rich? Only in your delusional head! No one with your lack of self-control could ever accumulate wealth.

RE: Image zoom
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 11:38:14 PM # Q
Oh please. I'm much lower than Lizard Boy.





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Impressive BUT...

jlbunting @ 4/5/2005 5:24:28 PM # Q
This new PalmOne PDA does look Impressive but it will not get me to trade in my T|3. I am still holding out for OS6. If this device had OS6 then it would be awesome and I would upgrade. Right now I still don't see any need to get excited or feel incline to upgrade from my T|3. I have Bluetooth and the PalmOne WiFi card. I also, have plenty of storage space and can always add more by buy an SD card.

That is my thoughts on this new PDA from PalmOne.


RE: Impressive BUT...
kpr @ 4/5/2005 5:36:10 PM # Q
So the microphone and voice recorder are back, just like the T series used to always have (except for the T5).

I wonder if the following are back too, which every T series had except for the T5:
- vibrating alarms?
- alarm / charging LED?
- quick access to clock by pressing the center of the navigation pad while it's turned off?
- ships with a cradle?
- can use the stylus tip to perform a soft reset?
- very fast soft and hard resets?
- very reliable?

Too bad it still does NOT have a:
- front facing speaker
- universal connector (or at least mini USB)
- graffiti 1 support (?)
like the Tungsten T1, T2, and T3 has.

I am glad palmOne will finally have a PDA with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth in one unit.
It's about time!!!

I wonder what the battery life will be like???

By the way, I'd rather have 4 GB of Flash memory built-in instead of a 4 GB hard drive. A hard drive may be cheaper, but Flash memory prices are dropping fast, and Flash memory:
- uses less power
- has faster access times
- is silent
- takes up less space
- is more rugged.

palmOne probably could get Flash memory much cheaper than we can. With 1 GB SD costing less than $80, palmOne could probably get these in large quantities for less than $30 each. Add four of these in place of the hard drive, and it will probably not cost that much more than a hard drive.

RE: Impressive BUT...
specterss @ 4/5/2005 5:39:38 PM # Q
I hope life drive will add something to battery life too.
Less than 7 hours is not for me. Seems I'm waiting for OLED,...

RE: Impressive BUT...
pmjoe @ 4/5/2005 7:44:01 PM # Q
>If this device had OS6 then it would
>be awesome and I would upgrade.

This covers my feelings almost exactly, except the PDA I currently use is even older. With no signs of OS 6 from PalmOne I am probably going to be movig to another platform soon (even though I am not that thrilled with the other options). I am tired of waiting for PalmOne to get serious about providing any modern solutions.

RE: Impressive BUT...
JKingGrim @ 4/5/2005 7:45:06 PM # Q
Too bad it still does NOT have a:
- universal connector (or at least mini USB)

MiniUSB is for low end devices. UC is DEAD. The Athena has replaced it.


palmOne probably could get Flash memory much cheaper than we can. With 1 GB SD costing less than $80, palmOne could probably get these in large quantities for less than $30 each. Add four of these in place of the hard drive, and it will probably not cost that much more than a hard drive.

$120 of the device cost just for memory? Nowhere near worth it. HD is a lot more cost effective.

Cobalt Confusion
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/5/2005 9:52:41 PM # Q
>If this device had OS6 then it would
>be awesome and I would upgrade.

This covers my feelings almost exactly, except the PDA I currently use is even older. With no signs of OS 6 from PalmOne I am probably going to be movig to another platform soon (even though I am not that thrilled with the other options). I am tired of waiting for PalmOne to get serious about providing any modern solutions.

What exactly are you trying to do with your PDA that you can't with PalmOS 5 but think you will be able to accomplish with PalmOS 6? Most people (not necessarily you) don't seem to understand that Cobalt is not as big a "paradigm shift" as they think it is.

Unless you have some VERY specific PalmOS 6 needs, most people would be better served by sticking with a tweaked version of PalmOS 5 and then optimizing it with some well-selected apps.

Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes...







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RE: Impressive BUT...
kevinbgood @ 4/5/2005 10:22:55 PM # Q
Life Drive will be running OS 5.4, not Cobalt. Cobalt will show up in smartphones and GPS devices first. For now, the upgraded version of OS 5 will serve the Life Drive well.

Addicted to Palm
RE: Impressive BUT...
gregjsmith @ 4/5/2005 11:44:57 PM # Q
What exactly are you trying to do with your PDA that you can't with PalmOS 5 but think you will be able to accomplish with PalmOS 6?

The main advantage I can see that OS6 has is multi tasking. If it works like I think it should, I can run my GPS app and switch over to other apps without having to kill it. My T3 would be a killer car computer if I could do the GPS and ODBII app at the same time.

http://homepage.mac.com/gregjsmith

RE: Impressive BUT...
None_of_Your_Busines @ 4/6/2005 7:11:03 AM # Q
Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes...

Another braindead comment from the Voice_of_Stupidity.

RE: Impressive BUT...
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 9:33:49 AM # Q
Look at me. I must have a near-death fever, but I am actually going to come to the DEFENSE of VoR?! He's right. Cobalt v1 is a botch. You would spend more time marvelling over what it DOESN'T have than all the things it DOES have. p1 is smart to pass it by for now.

RE: Impressive BUT...
twizza @ 4/6/2005 9:37:43 AM # Q
Greg;
If programed right, in OS5 that is possible as there are chat, email, and MP3 programs that can work in the background in sort of a simulated multitasking format. But really, OS5 does more than enuogh in palmOne's implementation, and a tick more in Tapwave's.

antoinerjwright.com
RE: Impressive BUT...
JKingGrim @ 4/6/2005 8:17:30 PM # Q
What exactly are you trying to do with your PDA that you can't with PalmOS 5 but think you will be able to accomplish with PalmOS 6? Most people (not necessarily you) don't seem to understand that Cobalt is not as big a "paradigm shift" as they think it is.

Unless you have some VERY specific PalmOS 6 needs, most people would be better served by sticking with a tweaked version of PalmOS 5 and then optimizing it with some well-selected apps.

Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes...

You have no idea how many developers that are waiting for Cobalt to port apps from other platforms, frustrated by the lack of Cobalt devices, and getting impatient for a Cobalt release. Cobalt is a big "paradigm shift" and you do not yet know the power under the hood.

RE: Impressive BUT...
Timothy Rapson @ 4/6/2005 9:00:13 PM # Q
Great summary of LifeDrive, The PDA Universe and Everything.

RE: Impressive BUT...
Timothy Rapson @ 4/6/2005 9:02:03 PM # Q
That is, kpr's summary of the situation. Very good.
I would like Cobalt for that multi-tasking, the real files, TrueType fonts, VGA with standard APIs for all screen resolutions. It is time, but it looks like it is never going to get here before it is too late.

Cobalt who?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 10:17:19 PM # Q
Another braindead comment from the Voice_of_Stupidity.

Thanks for your intelligent rebuttal. Too bad you apparently lack the neuronal activity necessary to post a coherent response attempting to explain why you disagree with what I said.

Look at me. I must have a near-death fever, but I am actually going to come to the DEFENSE of VoR?!

[***Thousands of PIC readers gasp***]

He's right. Cobalt v1 is a botch. You would spend more time marvelling over what it DOESN'T have than all the things it DOES have. p1 is smart to pass it by for now.

Of course I'm right, Mike. I'm always right. You know that. As most people truly familiar with PalmOS 5 and 6 know, besides its (somewhat limited and currently flaky) multitasking architecture, PalmOS 6 ("Cobalt") brings little new to the table that a casual user will appreciate. Don't get me wrong: Cobalt was a great attempt by a tiny company, but this story has so many similarities to the Be tragedy, it's almost scary.

Ask yourself how often you really need "multitasking" on a PDA. Yes, it can be useful on some devices, especially smartphones. Some PalmOS 5 apps (e.g. Chatter, I believe) can pseudo-multitask already. Choose your apps wisely and a STABLE implementation of PalmOS 5 kicks the sh!t out of the Cobalt betas that are expected to arrive later this year from some second tier smartphone companies. If we could just have a mix of the Treo 600 and the TapWave versions of PalmOS 5, most people would be happy waiting the two years it will take before PalmLinux is ready for prime time.

To the imbecile in the peanut gallery: Disagree? Rather than posting juvenile comments (shocking!) why not try to show why you feel Cobalt is a viable option for companies in April, 2005? No doubt the silence will be deafening. Get back to work, Dianne...






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Cobalt, Schmobalt!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 10:44:34 PM # Q
You have no idea how many developers that are waiting for Cobalt to port apps from other platforms, frustrated by the lack of Cobalt devices, and getting impatient for a Cobalt release. Cobalt is a big "paradigm shift" and you do not yet know the power under the hood.

How many? Three?

Let's see... no one has ANY Cobalt devices available, but there are millions of PalmOS 3, 4 and 5 devices around. Millions. Cobalt sales in 2005 will probably be less than 100,000 devices. Hmmm.... HUGE market for Cobalt apps, huh?

As a developer, why the he!! would I waste ANY time porting my apps at this point in time? Think about it in terms of Return on Investment. The Catch 22: no devices = no Cobalt-specific apps = no devices = no Cobalt-specific apps...

Cobalt Theory means NOTHING until it's out there in the hands of paying customers, undergoing Palm's standard beta testing. That's when we'll hear all the horror stories about the multitasking instability, lack of telephony stacks for cellphone carriers, etc.

Emperor Cobalt has no clothes. Say it with me: "Emperor Cobalt has no clothes." The peasants are finally starting to catch on. The problem is that no one can predict how much longer tarted-up versions of PalmOS 5 can withstand the body blows being delivered by Windows devices with their seductive hardware. The OLED-screened CLIEs that were scheduled to come out this spring would have kept a lot of the deserters in the PalmOS fold. Oh well. Que sera sera.






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What REALLY can Cobalt do that PalmOS 5 can't? Not much.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 11:39:54 PM # Q
That is, kpr's summary of the situation. Very good.
I would like Cobalt for that multi-tasking, the real files, TrueType fonts, VGA with standard APIs for all screen resolutions. It is time, but it looks like it is never going to get here before it is too late.

Well done. But...

PalmOS 5 can do pseudomultitasking

TapwaveOS/McFile/FileMan/FileZ (yes, not necessarily what you're alluding to, but PalmOS 5 and a little effort can handle all kinds of files fairly effectively).

Fonts4OS5 - http://www.lubak.net/ (not bad and probably "good enough" for 95% of PDA users.)

PalmOS 5 can do VGA. And we really only need APIs for what we have hardware for.


I still fail to see what Cobalt brings to the table that a properly configured PalmOS 5 device can't do.







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RE: Impressive BUT...
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 11:06:53 AM # Q
One point about devs that I think is being missed: There were few Pilots in hands, yet the software flowed. "Devs" doesn't necessary mean the Big Names. Give a coder in HS/college a Cobalt device and they'll start spinning out the software. Things always start from the bottom up, not top down. (And VoR, get your mind out of the gutter.)

Sorry, Charlie... so solly, Chowlly
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 9:56:16 PM # Q
One point about devs that I think is being missed: There were few Pilots in hands, yet the software flowed. "Devs" doesn't necessary mean the Big Names. Give a coder in HS/college a Cobalt device and they'll start spinning out the software. Things always start from the bottom up, not top down.

Grassroots support generally is a factor in NEW product categories. I doubt that would include PDAs at this stage of the game, Mike.

1000 15 year old newbie "programmers" spewing out 1000 "List" apps does not help Cobalt. What Cobalt needed was an impressive set of Cobalt-only apps from the big guys like Tealpoint, Dataviz, Opera, Pimlico, etc. with features that blow PalmOS 5 versions out of the water.





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RE: Impressive BUT...
Timothy Rapson @ 4/9/2005 8:37:57 AM # Q
RE, "What Cobalt needed was an impressive set of Cobalt-only apps from the big guys like Tealpoint, Dataviz, Opera, Pimlico, etc. with features that blow PalmOS 5 versions out of the water."

That sure would help.

Regarding your other points against what I posted.

Yes, Garnet can do most of what is needed, especially with the right helps. But, it needs a standard way to do it and it needed this 1-2 years ago. Multi-tasking has always been sort of possible with HackMaster. But, what about the crashes? Native file formats have been possible with some photo programs and Docs-to-go. DTG crashes on my Zire 72 as often as it runs properly. You cant' cut and paste properly. You wait and wait for proper screen support of Virtual Grafitti with FITALY or other programs because Palm OS 5 doesn't do it natively, and Sony does (or did) it one way while PalmOne did it another way.

We needed Cobalt 1-2 years ago, especially for a multimedia powerhouse like the LifeDrive would be with it. Alas.

RE: Impressive BUT...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/9/2005 3:35:13 PM # Q
I agree - A stable Cobalt (or at least a fully debugged PalmOS 5) was needed 1 or 2 years ago. At this point I think it's too late to matter.

HackMaster was always the least stable of the hack managers. EVPlugBase, TealMaster and X-Master are all better. YAHM is also reportedly better.





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I hope this is real!

Puppy @ 4/5/2005 6:03:52 PM # Q
Best PDA PalmOne has come up with in years. Hope it's real... Hope I can buy it some time in the next month.

RE: I hope this is real!
kevinbgood @ 4/5/2005 10:24:30 PM # Q
The Life Drive will not release until June of this year.

Addicted to Palm
RE: I hope this is real!
Billav @ 4/6/2005 6:19:50 PM # Q
Maybe sooner - if you're a doctor - according to this article...

http://tapland.com/news_arc/?id=628


RE: I hope this is real!
Billav @ 4/6/2005 6:28:13 PM # Q
Nevermind. I just read the post that says that this was an April Fool's joke. I believed it!

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Nice, but..

oneself @ 4/5/2005 6:28:27 PM # Q
Do you remmember ipaq 5555? Big and dual wireless. Not popular.

ipaq 4150 - small and dual wireless. Hugely popular until almost year later.

what makes this device big, I cannot understand. 4Gb is small sized for sure. WiFi chip is very small right now.

Hope it's battery 2880mA =)) Than it's worth it.

RE: Nice, but..
LiveFaith @ 4/6/2005 2:08:50 PM # Q
The back reminds me of the Toshiba PPC ... albeit fatter.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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What it probably WON'T have

mikecane @ 4/5/2005 7:00:23 PM # Q
New alarm sounds. Customizable alarm sounds. Ah, palmOne!

Everything else is exciting...

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Kickstart My Heart

Gekko @ 4/5/2005 9:27:06 PM # Q

When I get high
I get high on speed
Top fuel funny car's
A drug for me

My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart

Always got the cops
Coming after me
Custom built bike
Doing 103

My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart

Ooh, are you ready girls ?
Ooh, are you ready now ?

Ooh, yeh
Kickstart my heart
Give it a start
Ooh, yeh, baby
Ooh, yeh
Kickstart my heart
Hope it never stops
Ooh, yeh, baby

Skydive naked
From an aeroplane
Or a lady with a body
From outerspace

My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart

Say I got trouble
Trouble in my eyes
I'm just looking
For another good time

My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart


RE: Kickstart My Heart
ptc @ 4/5/2005 11:42:06 PM # Q
I think the last thing I expected to see here -ever- was Crue lyrics. Does this denote an elevated level of pre-pubescent excitement?

Palminfocenter is circling the bowl one last time on its way to the septic tank of history...

RE: Kickstart My Heart
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 9:36:34 AM # Q
The strain of that T5 encounter has been too much for Gekko. He's finally cracked. Call the white coats to take him away. Next victim!

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LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer

ender wiggins @ 4/5/2005 10:23:52 PM # Q
I read at another PDA site that the LifeDrive is targeted at Doctors who need to carry around very large databases, such as medical and drug dictionaries, patient histories, x-ray scans, MRI scans, etc. That is the main purpose for the 4GB microdrive. It also explains why the formfactor is so large. Doctors don't mind carrying this on their rounds in a hospital, instead of a bunch of books, files, x-rays, charts, etc.

The name LifeDrive comes from Pfizer's internally published magazine. Can someone who works at Pfizer confirm this? The first batch of LifeDrives will be sold initially to Doctors only in May with a consumer rollout in June. I'm guessing Pfizer will hand these out as free prizes to any Doctor who prescribes a certain quantity of Pfizer drugs :)

That being said, not being in the medical field, I want one of these puppies for its large screen. If its good enough for viewing a brain scan, than just think about the multimedia capabilities of this screen. The 4GB microdrive will act in replacing a 4GB ipod mini. Bottom line, for a $500-$549 device,
you get a high end PDA for $300 and $250 for a music player all in one surgically sealed brick. Oh, I also forgot you get a free paperweight too :(

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
E Ben G @ 4/5/2005 11:04:27 PM # Q
You guys correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Pfizer article was an April Fools joke.

Besides, I'm a med student with tons of clinical and drug databases on my Palm, and there's just no way you need 4gb for that stuff. In fact I would challenge anyone to use even a quarter of that without resorting to illegal downloads. Each of the drug/clinical databases averages 8-10 MB in size.

No, if the 4gb design is true, it's designed with audio and video in mind, not ePocrates, et al.

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
patchwork @ 4/5/2005 11:27:20 PM # Q
The pfizer thing was an April Fool's joke. But I wouldn't discount the device's use by medical professionals, especially given the volume of information that they carry around and access on SD cards in their PDAs.

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RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
xumdeo @ 4/5/2005 11:39:44 PM # Q
as a medical student, what i discovered is that we are NOT allowed to carry books around. at least that's how the brits' system works. (may be apart from MIMs and ONE medicine-in-pocket or medical-examination-in-pocket) and they're about the same size as a T5 anyway

charts, xrays, well yeah, that will take the whole hospital to migrate the system to electronic, think about it, then comes the confidentiality and data access rights debate...


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RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
xumdeo @ 4/5/2005 11:44:24 PM # Q
carrrying books around will make a doc look like a paramedic don't u think? and everyone can be a doc now with emedicine.com and google lol

so to differentiate that, docs should have the stuff in their brain (most most most of the time, that's why it's tough), and should go somewhere else to do the reading not in situ :)

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
E Ben G @ 4/6/2005 12:04:45 AM # Q
My point was that even if a student or doc tried to fill 4gb with Palm software, they would be very hard pressed to do so. For someone not in the field it seems like they need a lot of space, but the databases end up using a fraction of the space of a typical MP3 collection.

People in the medical profession will enjoy the LifeDrive, but not cause they need the space for drug databases.

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
lobotomic @ 4/6/2005 6:29:02 AM # Q
What is a paramedic?

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
twizza @ 4/6/2005 9:39:52 AM # Q
E Ben;

Having this much space availiable make be the persusaion needed for publishers of medical references to create content that would fill that much space. Granted, I cannot see a totally illustrated dictionary of anatomy but if someone would take the time to make it palm-able, then why not have it. Nothing like references in your pocket. I have gone far beyond thinking my doc knows everything and appreciate when they say they will get back to me and then whips out a PDA to remind him to send me and email. That speaks better to me about their integrity than just wheeling off and answer that may or may not be right.

antoinerjwright.com

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 9:46:30 AM # Q
Doctors will be all over this thing. Puhleeze. About two years ago a med student was forced to buy an iPaq because the medware she was going to used required a Microdrive, it was so massive a reference. The only other unit that could do that at the time was the HandEra unit -- and I think it was no longer in stores.

There are radiologists carrying patient *x-rays* in iPods. Wake up!

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
E Ben G @ 4/6/2005 10:28:16 AM # Q
I guess this is just a difference of perspective.

I'm not saying that doctors won't like the LifeDrive - they will.

And I'm not saying that doctors shouldn't use references, they certainly should.

What I'm saying is that I don't see this market segment pushing the development of the LifeDrive - it's just a silly April Fools joke. The references out there just don't take up that much space. Name me one. Name me the reference that girl needed a microdrive for. I could be wrong, and I would love to know. But if it makes you feel better thinking your doc needs 4gb of references, fine.

As far as X-rays go, I'm not a radiologist and I haven't heard about the need to carry them in a handheld. Seems to me X-rays are hard enough to read from film, so I don't see why you would put one in a handheld. But I would love to see a link describing doctors putting them in PDAs or iPods That would be interesting.



RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 10:48:35 AM # Q

I think it's just a coincidence that Pfizer's magazine happens to be called LifeDrive.

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 3:07:15 PM # Q
>>>The references out there just don't take up that much space. Name me one. Name me the reference that girl needed a microdrive for. I could be wrong, and I would love to know. But if it makes you feel better thinking your doc needs 4gb of references, fine.

Try swinging your pathetic dick elsewhere, pal:

>>>Pocket PC requirements:
You will need the following hardware and software to install UpToDate on your handheld device.
Pocket PC device running Windows Pocket PC 2002, Windows Mobile™ 2003, or Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition with an available CompactFlash or Secure Digital slot either built into the device or as an external option (e.g. an expansion pack or adapter). UpToDate will also run on Windows Pocket PC 2000 if it uses an ARM compatible processor. UpToDate does not support any Windows Mobile-based Smartphones.
External memory device (compatible with the available CompactFlash or Secure Digital slot) with a minimum of 890 MB available space.
http://www.uptodate.com/service/requirements.asp

-- at that time, the MicroDrive was the only solution. No 1GB CFs then.

Radiologists and iPods:
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2005/02/07/bisb0207.htm

Next sneering eejit!

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
E Ben G @ 4/6/2005 6:53:19 PM # Q
Well, you were right.

Thanks for the informative, if unnesessarily harsh, reply.



RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 7:06:21 PM # Q
You sneered, you got that. When I mention something, I'm not telling tales.

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
E Ben G @ 4/6/2005 7:12:14 PM # Q
Regardless, that bit about the iPods was interesting.

Time to take this Cane character down a notch
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 11:19:17 PM # Q
>>>The references out there just don't take up that much space. Name me one. Name me the reference that girl needed a microdrive for. I could be wrong, and I would love to know. But if it makes you feel better thinking your doc needs 4gb of references, fine.

Try swinging your pathetic dick elsewhere, pal:

>>>Pocket PC requirements:
You will need the following hardware and software to install UpToDate on your handheld device.
Pocket PC device running Windows Pocket PC 2002, Windows Mobile™ 2003, or Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition with an available CompactFlash or Secure Digital slot either built into the device or as an external option (e.g. an expansion pack or adapter). UpToDate will also run on Windows Pocket PC 2000 if it uses an ARM compatible processor. UpToDate does not support any Windows Mobile-based Smartphones.
External memory device (compatible with the available CompactFlash or Secure Digital slot) with a minimum of 890 MB available space.
http://www.uptodate.com/service/requirements.asp

-- at that time, the MicroDrive was the only solution. No 1GB CFs then.

Radiologists and iPods:
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2005/02/07/bisb0207.htm

Next sneering eejit!

"Try swinging your pathetic dick elsewhere, pal". Good Lord! At least he has one. Are you ENVIOUS, Mikey? But you are partially correct: If you've got the cash, the Skyscape apps, PEPID, etc. can quickly add up in terms of memory usage. Only problem is that most medical professionals only carry one or two big reference apps (usually between 1 - 5 MB size) on their Palms. Very few people (besides warez-trading, cash-starved med students) carry more than four or five of these references, so 4 GB is overkill for a devive intended strictly as a Peripheral Brain.

Secondly, no REAL Radiologist would seriously consider using a little PDA for reading films. That's what God created 21" flatscreens for. Proof of concept does not equal a compelling reason to do something. You could probably commute to work on a skateboard. But tht doesn't make it a good idea.

Don't give up your day job (the newspaper route), Cane.






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RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
rcartwright @ 4/7/2005 12:44:43 AM # Q
VOR,

I know that rude is your style, and mikecane won't be asked to head any diplomatic missions any decade soon, bur at least cane does his research. Had you bothered to talk to any medical professionals, you might have found out that while the big high res screen is good, a lot of radiologists (particularly when on call) lust for something that they can use to download a digital image and do a quick review. The nice thing about digital, is that the area in question can be zoomed in on and can be used with a small screen. My source tells me that he carries a laptop when he goes out and its saved a few trips to the hospital. He had heard about the Life Drive and was asking about it. He would love something like this. He thought the Tapwave article could actually be real, because its just like how the drug whores...er reps do things.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

Who's your Daddy? Say it!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 2:45:12 AM # Q
If you knew anything about Radiology you'd know how funny this is. Any Radiologist dumb enough to make a call based on an image on a 240 x 320 screen deserves to have their a$$ sued out of the profession. And "zooming in" on a low res, tiny image is useless. Think how crisp a camcorder image is when you've gone up to 100 x digital zoom. Real pretty, right? Now would you want your Radiologist, Dr. Ray X making the call on your subdurals based on those low res JPEGs the tech emailed to his PPC so Good Ole Ray didn't have to drag his fat, lazy a$$ down to the hospital? In any event, these days any Radiologist besides those working in somewhere like Backwoods, Arkansas should have remote access to secure images on their desktop or laptop from home.


And I am a "Medical Professional". Biotch.






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RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 11:13:05 AM # Q
What he *really* meant to type was "Professionally Medicated."

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
rcartwright @ 4/7/2005 3:26:17 PM # Q
VOR,

Since I am not the spawn of some Level 4 genetic recombination gone wrong, YOU are not my dad. As for the professional smear on my friend, if the foam from your mouth had not obscured your vision, you would have noted its a quick review, not a critical complex review. You are quite right about the home set up he has. It looks like the bridge of the Enterprise-G. The laptop is when he is out with his family or otherwise having a life (you really ought to try one). Sometime all he has to do is to confirm a simple fracture or the like.

By the way, since you are apparently a professional investor, electrical engineer, software developer, writer, industural designer, accountant and now medical professional, I was curious as to where you graduated from?

The sad part is that the good points you make are overwhelmed by your mean sprited presentation.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 6:30:25 PM # Q
>>>By the way, since you are apparently a professional investor, electrical engineer, software developer, writer, industural designer, accountant and now medical professional, I was curious as to where you graduated from?

HA! I'm glad someone else is noticing. The guy (and I use that term generically) is a real Jerk Of All Trades. Oh, don't forget his BDSM expertise. I guess that also makes him a Jerk OFF Of All Trades.

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LiveDrive new pictures

iru @ 4/6/2005 4:07:38 AM # Q
RE: LiveDrive new pictures
jfme @ 4/6/2005 8:14:37 AM # Q
32Mb of RAM......
32MB
potter @ 4/6/2005 8:36:31 AM # Q
Note: The T5 also has 32MB of RAM that sits in front of the 160 MB of Flash memory (or was it only 16, I'm not sure). This new device will have 32MB of RAM sitting in from of a 4GB Hard Drive.

LifeDrive
potter @ 4/6/2005 8:46:27 AM # Q
Ah, as I thought. "Life Drive" is the name of a feature, not the name of the device. "LifeDrive: File Transfer, Drive Mode, FolderSync."

RE: LiveDrive new pictures
jfme @ 4/6/2005 9:29:07 AM # Q
The T5 has ~64 MB in front of the 160 MB of Flash (actually 55 Mb discouting installed OS and applications)

RE: LiveDrive new pictures
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 9:40:43 AM # Q
I saw that URL yesterday but it did NOT have the items at the bottom. They've recently added that.

What's this about "improved fast scrolling"? What does THAT mean?!

And does Acrobat mean the same software we've had to put up with all this time -- or a better version?

That File Transfer shot shows a *T5* connection.

And what kind of codec are they using to fit 4 movies on the HD?

RE: LiveDrive new pictures
Be_True @ 4/6/2005 12:13:55 PM # Q
mikecane:

1: ..."improved fast scrolling"? What does THAT mean?!

2: That File Transfer shot shows a *T5* connection.

3: And what kind of codec are they using to fit 4 movies on the HD?

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1. Does this mean that I no longer need ScrollBar5 to make scrolling via the scrollbar usable?

2. The UserID for the device may have been 'Tungsten T5' - they may have wanted to use/test some software that they had licensed to that name. (Or just to hide the real name from us!)

3. Using Kinoma, I can load a complete movie in only 400Mb

-Chris

Tungsten C, Palm IIIxe, Wizard OZ-9520

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

RE: LiveDrive new pictures
LiveFaith @ 4/6/2005 2:10:51 PM # Q
Chris,

Does Kinoma actually play movies in full resolution and on the full screen? My what a pathetic joke that v2x was. Make the awesome HVGA screens look like an m130 with about 40% of the real estate wasted for their idiotic controls.

Why not allow it to run full screen? Maybe v3 fixes?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: LiveDrive new pictures
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 3:11:24 PM # Q
Chris:

>>>1. Does this mean that I no longer need ScrollBar5 to make scrolling via the scrollbar usable?

-- that's what I was wondering too.

3. Using Kinoma, I can load a complete movie in only 400Mb

-- if p1 is counting on the Average Joe sitting there and having to *convert* their home movies and the like, forget it! Sony thought people would do that. Look at what happened to the CLIE! This had better play MPEG and DiVXed AVI out of the box.

RE: LiveDrive new pictures
Be_True @ 4/7/2005 4:34:20 AM # Q
Yes, using landscape screan to view widescreen movies would be nice, with hidden controls.

On a 320x320 square screen, I don't mind it being letterboxed, just select black background to hide controls.

I too would like native DivX, but I already fill my 1gig SD and my 64Mb even without 700MB DivX movies.

Kinoma's not perfect, but it can work in a pinch until somebody does it right.

But even with 700MB DivX files, it is still easy to get over 4 movies in 4Gigs of avail memory.

-Chris


Tungsten C, Palm IIIxe, Wizard OZ-9520

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

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32MB RAM

Gekko @ 4/6/2005 8:35:30 AM # Q

1. Is the 4GB NVFS or HD?
2. How does my PIM data be seamlessly accessed yet reside on the 4GB? I ask this because on the T5, you can't store/access PIM data on the "Internal". Maybe with updated PIM apps they are smart enough to look at the 4GB?
3. I hope the 32MB is *REAL* RAM.
4. I hope they fixed the 8-limit-Find Bug.
5. I hope I can get G1 in some incarnation.


RE: 32MB RAM
twizza @ 4/6/2005 9:44:39 AM # Q
1. Is the 4GB NVFS or HD?
>> probably HD because its cheaper for the moment

2. How does my PIM data be seamlessly accessed yet reside on the 4GB? I ask this because on the T5, you can't store/access PIM data on the "Internal". Maybe with updated PIM apps they are smart enough to look at the 4GB?
>> would be a great idea, but why?
3. I hope the 32MB is *REAL* RAM.
>> me too

4. I hope they fixed the 8-limit-Find Bug.
>> everytime i read this i realize how little i use the find.

5. I hope I can get G1 in some incarnation.
>> G1 tis dead my friend. Jot and Teal are your only copycat saviors

antoinerjwright.com

RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 9:44:53 AM # Q
Gekko! You can put TEN THOUSAND CONTACTS in it!

But only find 8 of them.

Hahahahaha.

RE: 32MB RAM
hkklife @ 4/6/2005 9:50:12 AM # Q
G1 is only dead because of the limp-wristed POS user base & developer community. How strange that there are renegade developers out there trying to skirt the law constantly with various console emulators yet no one can even be bothered to hack the G1 libraries for newer OS5 devices? Tragic!!

That right there is almost enough to push me into the PPC camp. Almost. Until then, I'll keep b!tching and moaning and hoping that some enterprising developer can cobble together a reasonable solution for the G1 fans out there. Dvorak keyboards are still an option under modern-day Windows. Dvorak keyboards can still be purchased through the right channels. Why does no such option exist for a G1 plugin??

Ryan, please start a PIC petition/drive/fund a PayPal jackpot to entice someone to do the above. Gekko and I will gladly chip in for it!


RE: 32MB RAM
twizza @ 4/6/2005 10:02:49 AM # Q
hkklife;
Why dont you make the program yourself, or put some type of bounty up if you dont have the skills or time to do so? That would be motivation to do that right, instead of complaining about it.

Personally, I like G2, it fixed my non-palm writing to make it more legible again. I had way too many people asking what a ^ was when i meant to put an 'a' there.

antoinerjwright.com

RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 10:21:31 AM # Q
G2 is the Handiwork of Satan.

Get yourself right with God, twizza. You are falling into infidelism!

RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 10:25:57 AM # Q
2. How does my PIM data be seamlessly accessed yet reside on the 4GB? I ask this because on the T5, you can't store/access PIM data on the "Internal". Maybe with updated PIM apps they are smart enough to look at the 4GB?
>> would be a great idea, but why?

Why? Because my PIM data is growing exponentially. I have 3,235 Contacts, 4,211 Calendar Events, and 1,147 Memos (lots are big 32k each). I don't want to be squeezed into (32MB = 27MB Usable minus 4MB Heap minus 4MB for OS minus 4MB ROM Apps = 15MB FREE!!!) And if it's Satan's NVFS I'm really screwed.

And if you can place PIM data on the HD - how FAST will the access be? If it's slow - I don't want it! I don't want a delay to look up a friggin phone number! And what about FIND? Will the Find be terribly slow searching through 4GB or will it be a "Smart" find?

Is this Palm OS 5.4 the same as in Satan's T5???


RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 10:32:26 AM # Q

I have a sick feeling that the 32MB RAM will be just like Satan's phone - the Treo 650 - which has 32MB of ***NVFS*** RAM!!!!!!!!!!



RE: 32MB RAM
gfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:19:13 AM # Q
Well, here is how the memory architecture of the T5 is organized:

Tunsgten T5:
NAND Flash (Total Size = 256 MB)
Boot Code (< 1 MB)
Compressed ROM (14 MB)
User Data or Storage Heap (64 MB)
Internal Volume (178 MB)

RAM (Total Size = 32MB)
Decompressed Rom (16 MB)
DB Cache Area (10 MB)
Dynamic Heap (6 MB)

I assume the compressed Rom of the Life Drive would be different, but both the total Ram size and dynamic heap/storage heap should be the same (assuming the device is listed as have "63 MB" ram). The 4GB could be either Nand or HD... I don't think it matters as far as the NVFS architecture. Afterall that is the whole point of NVFS is that the device used for storage need not be NAND flash and could just as easily be a hard drive...

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RE: 32MB RAM
twizza @ 4/6/2005 11:22:49 AM # Q
Gekko;
I understand. Man, you have a ton o' contacts. And here I thuoght I was bad; but i backup and purge three times a year so I guess thats where I miss out.

MC;
G2 is quite fine friend. Yes, for those who had dont G1 for many many moons before there were rocks to throw it hurts; but it isnt as bad for those who are new and dont want to learn how to write differently. Should there be an option (much like WinMob)? Probably. But if you give people a choice between something that is similar to what they already do, and the choice to change something that they had been doing since Kindergarden, most dont want to change.
So, G1 over G2 loses here. Yell abuot it, throw a hissy fit, and pay a developer to make G1 work on newer OS5 devices.

antoinerjwright.com

RE: 32MB RAM
hkklife @ 4/6/2005 11:25:36 AM # Q
Twizza, perhaps you've missed my previous comments. I am not a PROGRAMMER. I am a USER. I've already offered $50 as an initial contribution to the PIC fund and if someone would take the concept seriously, I'd gladly kick in more. Otherwise, I shall continue preaching until someone with the means & skills to do so takes the initiative. I imagine if this was something that the community cared about (much like the Clie CF memory card driver, Treo 650 wi-fi card driver) this would not be an issue. I am glad---nay, OVERJOYED--that so many of you out there like & can accept Graffiti 2. I cannot and will not until at the very least, P1 gives us an outright statement on G1 being EOL and/or their nefarious reasons for abandoning their standard input method for seven years. We should STILL be offered a choice. Anything else is inexcusable on P1's part.

SO...if you want myself, MC, Gekko, VoR et al to stop b!tching about G2, then go and find us a developer who will make a legit stab at it and not just run off with the bounty. For starters, how about Ryan getting started with a petition on PIC?

RE: 32MB RAM
gfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:27:36 AM # Q
>>>>And if you can place PIM data on the HD - how FAST will the access be? If it's slow - I don't want it! I don't want a delay to look up a friggin phone number! And what about FIND? Will the Find be terribly slow searching through 4GB or will it be a "Smart" find?


Why would the PIM data be on the HD in the first place? Do you put the PIM db's right now on the external storage card? I would assume the PIM DB's would remain in ram (synchronized via NVFS) to nand storage heap. The internal volume would be extra storage just like that on the T5.

What I would really like to see is a Rom update for the T5 similar to the one for the Treo 650 that reduces the overhead of NVFS. Perhaps, PalmOne doesn't think it is as necessary for the T5 b/c of the larger Nand, but I think it would be foolish if they didn't provide the update for T5 users as well...

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RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 11:34:19 AM # Q

I like this "historical perspective" -

"I've got about 450 (Contacts). I could probably delete 50 without much thought. But one of the advantages of keeping this kind of data in a database is the historical perspective. Just because I don't contact someone today, doesn't mean I won't want to look them up next month, or next year. The ability to answer questions like "Who was that guy I talked to about the wireless security software last year?" or "What was the number of that good looking soccer mom from my son's team last spring?" can be invaluable, even if I haven't talked to the person recently."

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=63450


RE: 32MB RAM
gfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:34:38 AM # Q
>>>>I cannot and will not until at the very least, P1 gives us an outright statement on G1 being EOL and/or their nefarious reasons for abandoning their standard input method for seven years. We should STILL be offered a choice. Anything else is inexcusable on P1's part.

If you recall, Palmone abandoned G1 during the unistrokes patent litigation with Xerox Corp. The eventually won the case, but had already decided to adopt G2 prior to the final ruling. I would assume the PalmOne could revert back to G1 if they really wanted to, but I doubt they would since G2 is probably viewed as closer to real HWR script. Besides, the only people who really care about G1 are old time palmos users, not most of the new users PalmOne is trying to court.

Also, you should checkout Tealscript etc if you really want G1-like functionality.

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RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 11:37:19 AM # Q

gfunk - because 32MB RAM minus non-usable may not be enough for all my future PIM data plus apps that must remain in RAM. So Why not have the built in PIM apps be "4GB Drive AWARE"????????? this isnt rocket science.

RE: 32MB RAM
jfme @ 4/6/2005 12:02:29 PM # Q
What is the access time for micro harddrives? I've heard its about 22.5 ms...??

I believe flash memory access time is about 3.8~4.2 ms...

RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 12:25:07 PM # Q
The 32MB will be RAM, invisible to the user, just like the T5.

The OS is Garnet 5.4, like the T5.

PalmOne has probably figured out how to duplicate Tapwave's trick of making RAM look like VFS, but in reverse. The 4GB drive will be treated like the 55MB NVFS partition is used on the T5: as system "RAM".

As far as G1 goes, either get TealScript or quit living in the past.

RE: 32MB RAM
gfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 12:54:43 PM # Q
>>>>gfunk - because 32MB RAM minus non-usable may not be enough for all my future PIM data plus apps that must remain in RAM. So Why not have the built in PIM apps be "4GB Drive AWARE"????????? this isnt rocket science.


Gekko, the PIM db's are not in the Ram in the first place!! The PIM db's are on the Nand storage heap (like all other data) and are synced via 10 MB DB cache. The 32 MB Ram is not visible to the user and is NOT the bottleneck to the amount of data or contacts you can add to the device...

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RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 1:34:10 PM # Q

gfunk - aha! thanks for the clraification. I am a businessman and not a technician/geek so I only know enough to be dangerous!

Well I guess the only question will be speed/performance. Hopefully with the 400Mhz Processor and a possibly improved setup, the T6/7/2005 will not have the performance issues of the T5.

The T5 issues I hope don't show up on the T6/7/2005:

1. Screen Flicker on Status Bar.
2. 8-Limit Find Bug
3. Calendar Bug
4. Dialog Bug Box overlay
5. Infinite Reset Loop
6. 30+ second soft resets
7. 2 minute+ hard resets
8. Tealscript not 100% compatibiltty
9. Progressively slow performance the more RECORDS you have. (The geeks and the kids with only 20 contacts/events/memos have NO FRIGGIN CLUE what I'm talking about) REMEMBER PEOPLE - this is a PIM/PDA first!
10. cheap build
11. no cradle
12. poor compatibility with older apps

there's probably more........


RE: 32MB RAM
hkklife @ 4/6/2005 1:49:50 PM # Q
Gfunk;

Thanks for the info & advice. I'll just go on record again as saying that I struggled with TealScript for many weeks trying to get it to mimic G1 PRECISELY as it was on my T|T. It's still NOT the same--speed & accuracy both suffer in side-to-side comparisons. It wouldn't hurt P1 a BIT to offer a legacy, 100% legit, G1 plug-in on their website (totally unsupported past their README file, of course) just as a token bone of appreciation to their longtime loyal users.

Jeff;

It's a good thing PalmSource didn't hire you. With that type of shortsighted ignorance ("G2 is newer, so it's automatically better"), their eulogy would be written even sooner that anyone expected. Using that logic, a PPC user could tell you to give up your website as the golden age of Palm is long past as well.

Your fanatical zeal with the lameduck T5 & NVFS obviously extends to Graffiti 2 as well. Just because I prefer to listen to my worldband radio, does that mean I live in the past or am somehow worse off than someone with a fancy new XM receiver? Graffiti 1 is intuitive, fast, accurate, and works on a nearly subconscious level if you spend enough time with it. I have used it faithfully from 1996-present so I like to think that I am fairly comfortable with it.

MS Bob was more natural for first-time PC owners but you don't see it still for sale today,do you? Yet if it WERE still marketed by MS, I wouldn't be moaning in the slightest about it. Just as long as customers are offered a choice! P1's blatant disregard for G1 & users of Pilots since the beginning is frighteningly analogous to the cell phone carriers not offering their high-volume, longterm customers any of the deals they offer new signups. In the end, punishing customer loyalty will come back to haunt everyone mentioned above.

RE: 32MB RAM
LiveFaith @ 4/6/2005 2:13:29 PM # Q
GFunk,

Where in the World(wide web) have you been? I thot you had left us for that TreoCentral mistress or something.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 3:22:14 PM # Q
>>>I have ... and 1,147 Memos (lots are big 32k each)

Piffle. 3,010 Memos. Menu->Info = 15708K MemosDB. And *you're* worried about the LD "RAM" area? We went over this in the Forums, but I guess your drunken stupors are again blighting your biological RAM cache...

RE: 32MB RAM
E Ben G @ 4/6/2005 7:05:56 PM # Q
I don't think Jeff said G2 is better than G1. He just said stop living in the past...cause it's dead and aint coming back.


RE: 32MB RAM
Timothy Rapson @ 4/6/2005 9:17:45 PM # Q
32 MB RAM is not enough. I have that on my Zire 71 and get out of memory errors and can't load my nice Adobe world map. Even with 15 MB free. This is unacceptable. I can't keep my modest number of apps on the card (or in the case of the LifeDrive the HD) because they won't sync and won't run quickly. Better have 64 MB.

There is no reasonable excuse for PalmOne and PalmSource not offering a way for users to run G1, none. I simply cannot get G2 to work at a speed that makes it worthwhile. Now, I use FITALY anyway, but POS is making a huge mistake in keeping G1 on shelf.

RE: 32MB RAM
hkklife @ 4/6/2005 9:39:55 PM # Q
THANK YOU for someone finally agreeing with me aside from the usual gang o' b!tchy curmudgeons like myself here on PIC.

G1 is simply efficient and, even if a minority of diehard POS users prefer it over G2, the choice still needs to be offered by SOMEONE.

I'd like to see Jeff Kirvin tell some of the teeming masses of Sinclair, Commodore, Amiga, Newton, Atari 8-bit etc etc. fans out there who keep the flame alive for their respective platforms to "stop living in the past".



RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 11:08:52 PM # Q
Hkklife, get a life, willya? Graffiti 1 is dead. Period. Yes, it was great, I loved it too, but it's DEAD! The Xerox lawsuit killed it, end of story. Get over it and move on. The Xerox case is tied up in appeals and no one is going to go near the original Graffiti ever, ever again. You're howling at the moon, man! Live in the now! Wake up, sheeple, Elvis has left the building!

RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 11:12:13 PM # Q
Gekko spewed thus, referring to T5 issues he hopes the LifeDrive won't have...

> 1. Screen Flicker on Status Bar.

Never seen this. Not once. And I use my T5 every damn day.

> 2. 8-Limit Find Bug

Get over it. If you've got so much bloody money, take PalmOne's advice and shut up.

> 3. Calendar Bug

Dude, this has already been fixed in the T5 via a ROM update, but thank you for playing anyway.

> 4. Dialog Bug Box overlay

Okay, yeah, this I can agree with.

> 5. Infinite Reset Loop

Que?

> 6. 30+ second soft resets

Good luck. The reset time is due to NVFS, and the fact that the Palm now has to boot up very much like your PC. If anything, the LD will be slower because the hard drive access time will be a bit slower than the Flash in the T5.

> 7. 2 minute+ hard resets

Again, if you're hard resetting the device, is time really your biggest issue? It's going to take a lot longer still to do the restore. Gekko, you just complain to hear yourself talk. Next you'll be bitching about how oxygen is corrosive and we should just get it all out of the atmosphere.

> 8. Tealscript not 100% compatibiltty

Que? I've tested it and it works fine on my T5. I'll stick with G2, though, just to honk off you and Hkklife...

> 9. Progressively slow performance the more RECORDS you have. (The geeks and the kids with only 20 contacts/events/memos have NO FRIGGIN CLUE what I'm talking about) REMEMBER PEOPLE - this is a PIM/PDA first!

This is true of any system. See point 7, and shut up.

> 10. cheap build

Matter of opinion. I love the fit and finish of my T5, but I'm not looking for something to bitch about so other people will think I'm all smart and stuff.

> 11. no cradle

IF they're only going to include one or the other, a cable is more practical given drive mode. Not that I expect to sway you with logic. Or for that matter, facts.

> 12. poor compatibility with older apps

Only the ones that are written poorly to begin with. I don't think it's really fair to hold PalmOne accountable for other people's bugs, do you? Of course you do, because it gives you ranting fodder.

Graffiti 2 sucks. Big time.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 12:13:53 AM # Q
hkklife: Ignore that dumba$$ Kirvin. His opinion means even less than Mike Cane's. I'll match your $50 pledge for the first developer to hack the G1 libraries to work seamlessly with later versions of PalmOS 5. While it might be nice to have Ryan host the petition here at PIC, Palm might not appreciate that and then threaten to pull advertising $$$ from the site. Especially since we'll never see a "legal" version of G1 again. Thanks, Xerox.

TealScript crashed my UX50 so badly I was afraid the screen would get cracked. Never again. First Tealpoint app I've EVER had problems with. In over 5 years. (By the way, Teal absolutely ROCKS as a developer - these guys are as usually as solid as it gets.)

Now I've gotta check if the old G1 libraries will work on the VZ90...





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RE: 32MB RAM
hkklife @ 4/7/2005 1:09:51 AM # Q
For the record:

Since I was feeling ESPECIALLY good-natured, jovial, and open-minded earlier this evening, I grabbed a freshly wiped Zire 72 and installed the latest TealScript. I set up everything to mimic G1 as closely as possible and, before I couldeven install the "legacy" character set, there was a mighty CRASH! Off went TealScript for the ninth(?) and final time!

So, the pot's currently at $100. Now all we need is for someone to get a www.savegraffiti1.com site going with a PP collection plate and wait for a hungry developer out there to get curious...

Voice, perhaps the NZ90 G1 libraries would work on your VZ90. Worth a shot at least. IIRC, it was the final "new" POS device to ship with G1 standard--even though it came approx. at the same time as the first wave of G2 Palm Inc. devices (Zire 71).

RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 1:19:36 PM # Q
Gekko: 2. 8-Limit Find Bug

Kirvin: Get over it. If you've got so much bloody money, take PalmOne's advice and shut up.

Jeff, wake up! This is a BUG! There is NO excusing it and p1 should FIX IT ASAP. You didn't stand for the crap PPC offers, why settle for crap that p1 serves up? It should have been fixed BY NOW. That it hasn't been, is contemptible.

I'm still wondering: 32K Memos, 4GB HD --> *1K CLIPBOARD*?!!?

RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/7/2005 1:52:53 PM # Q
Mike, you and presumably Gekko with his vast "empire" to run, have never been programmers. I have. Yes, this is a bug. But it's a rare bug, that only inconveniences a small group of users once in a while. Fixing the allocation issues in NVFS, on the other hand, would benefit just about everyone. Which do you think they should concentrate on? The find bug is low priority, and it should be. I don't *want* PalmOne or PalmSource wasting development resources on it while there are bigger fish to fry. In the meantime, there is a relatively cheap workaround. I'm not saying this shouldn't be fixed, eventually. I am saying that it's not high on the list, nor should it be.

80/20 rule, man. Look it up.

RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 2:05:25 PM # Q
Find should work, PERIOD. NO excuses, 80/20 be damned. You know how Murphy works.

WTF is their excuse for 32K Memos and 1K Clipboard? What will you say if the TE2 and the LifeDrive *STILL* have this?

Send me a different email address. Everything is bouncing, dammit!

RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/7/2005 4:10:41 PM # Q
I'm sure the E2 and LifeDrive will still have a 1k Clipboard. That's why I use pToolSet.

Email me at jeff.kirvin@gmail.com

RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/7/2005 4:50:25 PM # Q

Here's the truth about kirvin. He is obviously still angling for a job at PSRC/PLMO. He wants to stay in their good graces, therefore he will not post any criticisms of either company or their products. He will defend them against any criticisms like the true apologist/shill/hack that he is. He has no problem bashing MSFT because he knows they are too smart or desperate to ever hire him. PSRC/PLMO, however, are not that smart, they don't pay too well, and they might just be desperate and stupid enough to hire him. This is the reason for the obvious blatant blind bias for PSRC/PLMO. Keep this in mind when you read his tripe.

RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 5:27:13 PM # Q
OTOH, we have Gekko here. What has Gekko contributed to the PDA community? Errrr... um.... oh yeah, a few hours with a T5 -- and then he didn't even bother to post real DETAILS or solicit QUESTIONS. The only news that could really get Gekko excited is if Murdoch decided to do a Fox PrOn Channel.

RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/7/2005 6:06:58 PM # Q

Con - you have to give me credit though - I call it the way I see it - good, bad, or ugly. I don't need a job and I don't need the money so I don't need to suck up to anybody.



RE: 32MB RAM
RhinoSteve @ 4/7/2005 6:12:41 PM # Q
FYI, on getting a job at PSRC/PLMO ... this is definately the wrong way to approach it.
RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 6:24:54 PM # Q
I don't see Jeff as a suckup. He just has what we lack -- diplomatic skills. For which, on my part, I make no &^%$#ing apologies. Jeff *has* criticized POS. I don't see *any* similar critiques on the "Ain't PPC Like From God Himself?" PPC weenie sites. And the PPC weenies sell their dignity and credibility for a few crumbs -- not even the possibility of a real paycheck.

RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/7/2005 9:36:45 PM # Q
Hate to break this to you, Gekko, but I'm not trying to get a job with PalmSource. I've left that behind, and decided to pursue a career doing what I do best: writing.

http://www.kirvinforhire.com

One day you might be mature enough to realize that people can disagree with you for their own completely legit reasons. I like Palm OS. I like PalmOne and their products. And contrary to popular belief, I can recognize the FACT that the company is turning a profit and therefore what they're doing is WORKING. All the wingnut doom and gloom in the world can't overcome the facts.

Whacking on your Palm™
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 10:34:41 PM # Q
Why would anyone hire you, Kirvin? You're a HACK. The fact that you've been writing about PDAs for several years doesn't change the fact that you have limited technical knowledge and zero writing skills. You're about at the same level as Mike "The PaperBoy" Cane. Unfortunately, these days every hack with Internet connection considers themself an "author". Don't give up the day job. Oh wait... you already did.

Compare and contrast Kirvin to an intelligent writer like Larry Garfield (or even Ska! ;-O) and you'll see why Kirvin is such a joke. And by the way, Jeff, Rule # 1 for tech writers is "Tell the truth. Always.". There will always be many in your audience that know a he11 of a lot more about the subject at hand than you do, and once you start to spew BS all around, that BS will instantly turn into quicksand that swallows all of your credibility.

You want to showcase your sK1llz? Ask Ryan to give you a soapbox for a weekly piece about PalmOS hardware/software. And remember: no BS.





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RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/7/2005 11:40:33 PM # Q
VoR makes me sad...

Care to point out some of this supposed BS? Or are you blowing smoke yourself?

RE: 32MB RAM
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/8/2005 1:55:18 AM # Q
Care to point out some of this supposed BS?

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7748#105661

You said it.





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Warez-Boy Kirvin.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/8/2005 2:01:58 AM # Q
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/index.php

Just went to your website. So you're linking to a site promoting the use of STOLEN copies of the NetFront browser??? Real classy, Kirvin. Wow.





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Kirvin Character Assingation
rcartwright @ 4/8/2005 12:56:08 PM # Q
VOR,

Do we have an envy problem that no one asked you to do a podcast or that you have apparently never had the guts to be self employed? By the way waiting on the review of the cancelled product that you keep harping about.

With this I will try to back off the ad hominum attacks of VOR, its too much like hunting in a baited field.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

Kirvin Character Assingation
rcartwright @ 4/8/2005 2:15:17 PM # Q
VOR,

I don't know why but the after the word "Assingation" did not come through. I intended the spelling as anyone who sounds out the word will understand.

RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/8/2005 2:33:10 PM # Q
I pointed out in the other thread why what I said is not only BS, but why VoR is both wrong and painfully short-sighted.

As for the NetFront thing, we seem to have differing opinions of what "stolen" means. I think you can't steal what's given freely, and Sony makes NetFront downloadable, IIRC. I could be wrong.

I think I've figured out why I annoy the wingnuts so much. I'm a natural optimist. I try to assume tae best in any situation. That's what gives me the stones to work for myself, and it's why I tend to come down directly opposed to the "doom and gloom" perspective so popular among the wingnuts. I assume thing will work until I see otherwise. The miracle of this is that I'm right at least as often as the Murphy's Law proponets. Perception really does shape reality.

It also means that I tend to look at the big picture more often than they do. They're complaining about the details (G2, NVFS, etc.) while I'm looking at the long view (Palm OS on phones, tablets, UPCs, subnotebooks, media players). From that altitude, I can see that the details that so incense the wingnuts for the trivialities that they are, but the wingnuts don't want to hear it.

It's sad, really.

RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/8/2005 3:40:31 PM # Q
Let's get something straight here, Jeff. Not EVERYONE posting crankily here at PIC is a wingnut. Some of us are lugnuts.

As for VoR's criticism of Kirvin, me, Gekko, et al, ad nauseum: Come on, who can take seriously someone whose "medical profession" is most likely laundering the disease-infested sheets in a whorehouse? Next time you open that industrial-strength washer and pour in that gallon of bleach, do all of us a favor: JUMP IN!

kirvin
Gekko @ 4/8/2005 6:11:33 PM # Q

kirvin is a left-wing liberal and his hero is that fat socialist pig Michael Moore. and he's calling us wingnuts? please.



RE: 32MB RAM
rcartwright @ 4/8/2005 6:47:08 PM # Q
Gekko,

If we didn't have a left wing and a right wing, the nation would never fly.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

RE: 32MB RAM
jkirvin @ 4/8/2005 7:05:53 PM # Q
Gekko spewed...

"kirvin is a left-wing liberal and his hero is that fat socialist pig Michael Moore. and he's calling us wingnuts? please."

Wow. I have to say, I know I'm doing well when all the opposition can come up with are poorly-formed ad hominem attacks...

Yes, I'm liberal. According to the dictionary, that means:

# Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
# Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Yup, that's pretty much me. Care to tell me why any of that is a bad thing?

I enjoy Moore's movies and books, to be sure, but I wouldn't call him my hero, and I'm not sure where you got the idea.

Is this really the best you can do, G? No comments about the actual issues or ideas? You're slipping, man. Must be the stress of running your "vast empire."

RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/8/2005 7:23:55 PM # Q

you're the one who started calling people "wingnuts". i guess you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is a wingnut.

it's time for some ****tails.

goodnight.


RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko @ 4/8/2005 7:27:12 PM # Q

c0cktails.

Kirvin: save the BS for your Mommy. (I'm a WRITER, Mom!)
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/8/2005 10:37:00 PM # Q
As for the NetFront thing, we seem to have differing opinions of what "stolen" means. I think you can't steal what's given freely, and Sony makes NetFront downloadable, IIRC. I could be wrong.

Cut the BS, Bubba. So you think it's legal to promote use of an application by users who never even paid for it? NetFront was a CLIE-only browser. It was never offered to people who own pa1mOne PDAs. As youu're only too well aware. You're so full of sh!t you need to get an enema. Or 10.

As I told you before: once you start to lie and BS, it's Game Over.







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Mike Cane savagely beaten in New York!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/8/2005 10:51:29 PM # Q
As for VoR's criticism of Kirvin, me, Gekko, et al, ad nauseum: Come on, who can take seriously someone whose "medical profession" is most likely laundering the disease-infested sheets in a whorehouse?

Mikey, your Mommy says "Hi".


TVoR





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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: 32MB RAM
mikecane @ 4/9/2005 1:09:32 PM # Q
VoR: Has anyone yet admitted to being YOUR parents? I see you didn't dispute my speculation. At least now all of us know what you do to afford CLIEs. But damn, will you do something about those blisters around your lips? It scares the customers.

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Who's responsible for NVFS and G2?

Gekko @ 4/6/2005 11:30:37 AM # Q
RE: Who's responsible for NVFS and G2?
relyons @ 4/6/2005 12:44:24 PM # Q
Who couldn't innovate anything if his life depended it?

http://www.vogel-egelopvang.nl/gekko.jpg

HIGH FIVE, SVRONTIS!

Oops! Gekko? Dude? Gekko, wake up.... Gekko....

RE: Who's responsible for NVFS and G2?
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 1:44:17 PM # Q

mine was funny.

RE: Who's responsible for NVFS and G2?
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 3:37:59 PM # Q
No, HIS was funnier -- because it ridiculed YOU.

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Size Matters

jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 12:15:30 PM # Q
There's an old Chinese parable. This rat and an ox get into a debate over which of them is more impressive. The rat bets that he's far more impressive than the ox. They end up going to a wizard to settle the bet. The wizard decides they should let the people decided.

"That sounds great," says the rat. "But can I ask a favor? Since the ox is so much bigger than me anyway, can we double my size?"

The ox says, "Fine by me. You're puny either way."

So the two animals walk into the city square, the ox and the rat, now twice his normal size.

The reaction is dramatic and immediate. Everyone's already seen an ox, there's nothing new there. No big deal. But the rat! A three-foot freaking rat! "Look at the size of that rat!" people shout. "That rat is enormous!" The rat won the bet.

It's all about perception, people.

I've seen a lot of wingnuts complaining recently about the size of the PalmOne LifeDrive. Assuming this thing materializes as the pictures have shown, it's thicker than a modern PDA should be. But you know what? That's okay.

It's not a PDA.

The LifeDrive is a media player. It competes with the iPod, Archos players, etc. It's far, far smaller than Creative's brick of a personal video player, and smaller than most of the devices that compete with it. It also has double the screen density of the QVGA players (and more pixels than the Sony PSP, too). In short, as a media player, it's very well positioned to attack the market, doing things no other single device can do.

But while it has PDA functionality (the same PIM apps as the Tungsten series, and Documents To Go), it's not really a PDA. All the crap that the wingnuts complain about is completely irrelevant if you look at this as a media player that can double as a PDA rather than a PDA that can double as a media player.

RE: Size Matters
twizza @ 4/6/2005 12:46:27 PM # Q
Nice argument. I honestly hope the market sees it that way and not just an overside palm pilot.

antoinerjwright.com
RE: Size Matters
E Ben G @ 4/6/2005 12:52:29 PM # Q
Whatever it is, it had better fit comfortably in the pocket. That's all that matters, no matter how you slice and dice the semantics.

RE: Size Matters
hkklife @ 4/6/2005 1:31:00 PM # Q
The nunber of PalmOne (no longer Palm OS apologists, it's now just the hardware company) apologists on these boards & forums is becoming stifling.

Perhaps we should register the domain and start bouncing PIC.com to "www.palmoneapologists.com"

This thing HAD better have a jaw-dropping feature set (for a POS device) for the $ they are asking. $400 and beyond is no man's land for handhelds, IMHO. Considering that I got my T3 for $330 on sale at BB in fall '03, Moore's Law and economies of scale should work in P1's favor to bring this thing in at a comparable pricetag. If this thing has only 32mb RAM, a 4gb HD instead of 4gb flash drive, a non-replacable battery, no vibrating alarm, and a plastic casing as rumored, then WHERE are the componentry cost driving the MSRP to $500+ ??

It also needs to fit comfortably in one's shirtpocket and be able to withstand the usual rigors of being carried in the pocket at least as well as the newer iPods (yes I am aware of the scores of iPod complaints as well as the MicroDrive failures in the field over the years).

I'll repeat it AGAIN here:

P1, please offer a cut-down version of the above on your webstore only. Replace the 4gb HD with a 1gb flash architecture but keep all of the other features intact. I'd rather pay $400 for the above device than $500 for one with a HD. If necessary, put the T5 out of its misery now so that you can do a "LifeDrive Lite" w/o a HD. Make the casing black not only to differentiate it but to bring back fond memopries of the IBM Workpads.

RE: Size Matters
Gekko @ 4/6/2005 1:42:39 PM # Q

this guy has an excuse for everything!

"they sold you a car with no hub caps?? You don't NEED them!"

Size does Matter
jfme @ 4/6/2005 2:15:02 PM # Q
My own personal comment... If I have to carry this thing in a bag, I might as well just use my laptop.

RE: Size Matters
LiveFaith @ 4/6/2005 2:17:26 PM # Q
<<$400 and beyond is no man's land for handhelds, IMHO.>>

You must have missed that "Top 10 Selling Handhelds" list where the X50v & HP4700 (megabux) both spanked PalmOne's pathetic T5 egg in sheer sales numbers. Your point is well taken on price points, but if you keep trying to market substandard features like P1 did last fall, then you're dead. Give cutting edge power features and it appears the market will reward you. P1 couldn't even include a cradle and VR for $400 ... geesh!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Size Matters
E Ben G @ 4/6/2005 2:47:55 PM # Q
"My own personal comment... If I have to carry this thing in a bag, I might as well just use my laptop."

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. If it's not in my pants or shirt pocket, then it is in a bag. And if so, I'll just bring my laptop - which is a great 'multimedia device'.

RE: Size Matters
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 3:31:49 PM # Q
Jeff has a good point -- but reality says, "So what?" Salesdroids see "palmOne" and think "PDA." Don't expect to see this next to a Creative, Archos, etc, "media player." It'll be in the ever-shrinking PDA section.

If they *really* wanted to market it as a media player, they should have NOT used the Tungsten brand name.

How long before TiVO wakes up to the possibilities of a Pocket TiVO, eh?

As for the size, I think it'll be fine. You can't go by pictures. You have to heft the thing in person. Someone I know went and bought that Creative. Now THAT is a BRICK! With a pethetic 240x320 screen too.

Personal Media Players - a dead end?
Masamune @ 4/6/2005 4:00:28 PM # Q
There's a reason why that Archos MP that mike keeps harping on about and the Lifedrive will outsell all others - PDA functionality. Your average non-techy consumer will have neither the know-how, time or patience to rip his/her entire DVD collection on onto a hard disc, which is the sole reason for buying a media player. Add PDA functionality and the device becomes infinately more versatile.

For example, there was that offical Microsoft Media Center that hardly sold because it took too damn long to copy films across.

RE: Size Matters
Rome @ 4/6/2005 7:01:12 PM # Q
"I was thinking the EXACT same thing. If it's not in my pants or shirt pocket, then it is in a bag. And if so, I'll just bring my laptop - which is a great 'multimedia device'."

Two major differences:

- You need to boot up your notebook PC, which takes a while.
- The notebook's battery life averages 3-4 hours with a Centrino chip.

RE: Size Matters
jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 11:26:12 PM # Q
Hkklife spewed...

"The nunber of PalmOne (no longer Palm OS apologists, it's now just the hardware company) apologists on these boards & forums is becoming stifling.

Perhaps we should register the domain and start bouncing PIC.com to "www.palmoneapologists.com" "

No, those of use that actually LIKE PalmOne and Palm OS are just taking back the site from the wingnuts that just want to complain and prove to everyone how very clever they are.

Writing on your hairy Palm™
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 12:44:55 AM # Q
There's an old Chinese parable.

It's all about perception, people.

No, Kirvin. It's all about price, size, and value for dollar.

I've seen a lot of wingnuts complaining recently about the size of the PalmOne LifeDrive. Assuming this thing materializes as the pictures have shown, it's thicker than a modern PDA should be. But you know what? That's okay.

No, it's not OK. This is not a laptop. If you want to sell something like this, first you have to get the SIZE right. Like that stupid (but brilliantly designed) iPod lineup.

It's not a PDA.

Ahem. No. It is a PDA.

The LifeDrive is a media player. It competes with the iPod, Archos players, etc. It's far, far smaller than Creative's brick of a personal video player, and smaller than most of the devices that compete with it. It also has double the screen density of the QVGA players (and more pixels than the Sony PSP, too). In short, as a media player, it's very well positioned to attack the market, doing things no other single device can do.

You obviously haven't used a CLIE VZ90. That device is so slick it makes the new Palm look like a caveman tool. The VZ90 is a media player. But guess what? SIZE MATTERS. And even a device as good as the VZ90 is around 25% too big to be acceptable to the average iPod/Tungsten E lovin' consumer that drives the market. I wish I knew W T F Palm was thinking here. There is no reason for its PDAs to be as big as they are. The UX50, Vx, T3, etc. all got the form factor right and are timeless designs. Palm's latest egg is going to sink as fast as the brick it resembles. They should offer Brick Red as a Special Edition color to boost sales once this thing starts to tank by the Summer.

while it has PDA functionality (the same PIM apps as the Tungsten series, and Documents To Go), it's not really a PDA. All the crap that the wingnuts complain about is completely irrelevant if you look at this as a media player that can double as a PDA rather than a PDA that can double as a media player.

Spin away, Kirvin. You're sounding more and more like Palm's Official Apologist, Michael "The O.A." Mace every day. While my VZ90 review presents a similar argument in favor of that PDA, ultimately, SIZE MATTERS. These things are not laptops. They absolutely have to be as small as possible, otherwise - as nice as they may be - they will fail. Non-geeks don't like bricks™.

Whatever it is, it had better fit comfortably in the pocket. That's all that matters, no matter how you slice and dice the semantics.

Bingo.

WHERE are the componentry cost driving the MSRP to $500+ ??

Didn't you see that pa1mOne logo? That cost you $100.

P1, please offer a cut-down version of the above on your webstore only. Replace the 4gb HD with a 1gb flash architecture but keep all of the other features intact. I'd rather pay $400 for the above device than $500 for one with a HD. If necessary, put the T5 out of its misery now so that you can do a "LifeDrive Lite" w/o a HD. Make the casing black not only to differentiate it but to bring back fond memopries of the IBM Workpads.

You want "revolutionary"? How about 256 MB of REAL RAM (no NVRAM crap, please), a 1 GB SD card and two SDIO slots, all in a high quality black magnesium alloy case? Removeable battery, free copy of BackupMan + include the top 10 freeware apps and games (FileZ, HandyShopper, Vexed etc.) on the installation CD. Shocking, isn't it? Hard, isn't it?

My own personal comment... If I have to carry this thing in a bag, I might as well just use my laptop.

Kirvin just doesn't get that... SIZE MATTERS. That's why I use a tiny-screened UX50 most of the time while the stunning OLED-screened VZ90 usually sits at home. Apple understands industrial design. Palm doesn't.

"I was thinking the EXACT same thing. If it's not in my pants or shirt pocket, then it is in a bag. And if so, I'll just bring my laptop - which is a great 'multimedia device'."

Two major differences:

- You need to boot up your notebook PC, which takes a while.
- The notebook's battery life averages 3-4 hours with a Centrino chip.

Actually a lot of Centrino laptops beat a lot of Palms in terms of battery life. My X40 lasts 5 hours. TE, T3 and UX50 all probably get 3 hours or less of REAL use. But that's comparing apples (small 4 or 5 ounce pocketable PDAs) to oranges (bigger 2 - 4 pound case-needing laptops) As soon as you start making PDAs too big to be pocketable, suddenly their tradeoffs (inability to run true Windows apps, small screen, limited hard drive sizes, etc.) become a fatal liability. You can now get decent 1 pound devices that run Real Windows. Palm (and even devices like the clever Sigmarion III) will never be able to out-Windows Windows. They have to beat Windows with superion size, battery life, stability, speed, etc. Right now the only beating Palm's designers is doing is OFF. Frequently.

Tiny cellphones and MP3 players are popular for a reason. Palm should focus on size, quality and functionality. Next-generation smaller T3, TH55 and UX50 with dual wireless, better battery performance and OLED screens are where they need to go. Laying eggs like the bogus T5 and T7 just won't cut it.


No, those of use that actually LIKE PalmOne and Palm OS are just taking back the site from the wingnuts that just want to complain and prove to everyone how very clever they are.

Delta Force leader: "We just lost Private Kirvin."
Delta Force members: "So?"






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RE: Size Matters
acidreflux @ 4/7/2005 1:31:49 AM # Q
After the millionth time of looking at the picture, I have noticed that the stylus is really only 1/4 the depth of the LD. A render sure...but that doesn't mean it couldn't be reasonably smaller. Anyway...
Writing on your hairy Palm™
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 2:13:49 AM # Q
There's an old Chinese parable. [SNIP - some scary sh!t from a guy that makes no sense.]

It's all about perception, people.

No, Kirvin. It's all about price, size, and value for dollar.

I've seen a lot of wingnuts complaining recently about the size of the PalmOne LifeDrive. Assuming this thing materializes as the pictures have shown, it's thicker than a modern PDA should be. But you know what? That's okay.

No, it's not OK. This is not a laptop. If you want to sell something like this, first you have to get the SIZE right. Like that stupid (but brilliantly designed) iPod lineup.

It's not a PDA.

Ahem. No. It is a PDA.

The LifeDrive is a media player. It competes with the iPod, Archos players, etc. It's far, far smaller than Creative's brick of a personal video player, and smaller than most of the devices that compete with it. It also has double the screen density of the QVGA players (and more pixels than the Sony PSP, too). In short, as a media player, it's very well positioned to attack the market, doing things no other single device can do.

You obviously haven't used a CLIE VZ90. That device is so slick it makes the new Palm look like a caveman tool. The VZ90 is a media player. But guess what? SIZE MATTERS. And even a device as good as the VZ90 is around 25% too big to be acceptable to the average iPod/Tungsten E lovin' consumer that drives the market. I wish I knew W T F Palm was thinking here. There is no reason for its PDAs to be as big as they are. The UX50, Vx, T3, etc. all got the form factor right and are timeless designs. Palm's latest egg is going to sink as fast as the brick it resembles. They should offer Brick Red as a Special Edition color to boost sales once this thing starts to tank by the Summer.

while it has PDA functionality (the same PIM apps as the Tungsten series, and Documents To Go), it's not really a PDA. All the crap that the wingnuts complain about is completely irrelevant if you look at this as a media player that can double as a PDA rather than a PDA that can double as a media player.

Spin away, Kirvin. You're sounding more and more like Palm's Official Apologist, Michael "The O.A." Mace every day. While my VZ90 review presents a similar argument in favor of that PDA, ultimately, SIZE MATTERS. These things are not laptops. They absolutely have to be as small as possible, otherwise - as nice as they may be - they will fail. Non-geeks don't like bricks™.

Whatever it is, it had better fit comfortably in the pocket. That's all that matters, no matter how you slice and dice the semantics.

Bingo.

WHERE are the componentry cost driving the MSRP to $500+ ??

Didn't you see that pa1mOne logo? That cost you $100.

P1, please offer a cut-down version of the above on your webstore only. Replace the 4gb HD with a 1gb flash architecture but keep all of the other features intact. I'd rather pay $400 for the above device than $500 for one with a HD. If necessary, put the T5 out of its misery now so that you can do a "LifeDrive Lite" w/o a HD. Make the casing black not only to differentiate it but to bring back fond memopries of the IBM Workpads.

You want "revolutionary"? How about 256 MB of REAL RAM (no NVRAM crap, please), a 1 GB SD card and two SDIO slots, all in a high quality black magnesium alloy case? Removeable battery, free copy of BackupMan + include the top 10 freeware apps and games (FileZ, HandyShopper, Vexed etc.) on the installation CD. Shocking, isn't it? Hard, isn't it?

My own personal comment... If I have to carry this thing in a bag, I might as well just use my laptop.

Kirvin just doesn't get that... SIZE MATTERS. That's why I use a tiny-screened UX50 most of the time while the stunning OLED-screened VZ90 usually sits at home. Apple understands industrial design. Palm doesn't.

"I was thinking the EXACT same thing. If it's not in my pants or shirt pocket, then it is in a bag. And if so, I'll just bring my laptop - which is a great 'multimedia device'."

Two major differences:

- You need to boot up your notebook PC, which takes a while.
- The notebook's battery life averages 3-4 hours with a Centrino chip.

Actually a lot of Centrino laptops beat a lot of Palms in terms of battery life. My X40 lasts 5 hours. TE, T3 and UX50 all probably get 3 hours or less of REAL use. But that's comparing apples (small 4 or 5 ounce pocketable PDAs) to oranges (bigger 2 - 4 pound case-needing laptops) As soon as you start making PDAs too big to be pocketable, suddenly their tradeoffs (inability to run true Windows apps, small screen, limited hard drive sizes, etc.) become a fatal liability. You can now get decent 1 pound devices that run Real Windows. Palm (and even devices like the clever Sigmarion III) will never be able to out-Windows Windows. They have to beat Windows with superion size, battery life, stability, speed, etc. Right now the only beating Palm's designers is doing is OFF. Frequently.

Tiny cellphones and MP3 players are popular for a reason. Palm should focus on size, quality and functionality. Next-generation smaller T3, TH55 and UX50 with dual wireless, better battery performance and OLED screens are where they need to go. Laying eggs like the bogus T5 and T7 just won't cut it.


No, those of use that actually LIKE PalmOne and Palm OS are just taking back the site from the wingnuts that just want to complain and prove to everyone how very clever they are.

Delta Force leader: "We just lost Private Kirvin."
Delta Force members: "So?"






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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: Size Matters
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 11:19:55 AM # Q
VoR dropped his pants, squatted, and left us with:

>>>Kirvin just doesn't get that... SIZE MATTERS. That's why I use a tiny-screened UX50 most of the time while the stunning OLED-screened VZ90 usually sits at home. Apple understands industrial design. Palm doesn't.

-- well if your SONY VZ90 stays home MOST OF THE TIME, then guess what rah-rah-boy? SONY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ID EITHER!

RE: Size Matters
twizza @ 4/7/2005 1:05:09 PM # Q
Wow, so this is what happens when I dive into work for a few days.

VOR:
You make a ton of good points. And I would agree with your assessment about the LD and size if we had real numbers. Visual perceptions and extrapolated numbers are usually off in the "too large direction." It would be great if this was no longer than the T5 and no thicker than the T3. That would be great, then it would just need smooth performance and a good stable of programs.

On that last note (Mike C): I know what was rumored in terms of apps, but without specifics, why keep guessing and be more wrong than right?

antoinerjwright.com

RE: Size Matters
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 1:24:33 PM # Q
>>>On that last note (Mike C): I know what was rumored in terms of apps, but without specifics, why keep guessing and be more wrong than right?

Has using G2 made you anal? Who keeps score of this?

RE: Size Matters
jkirvin @ 4/7/2005 4:12:31 PM # Q
By the way, why is everyone wearing such tight pants? Even if the LD *is* the size of the bricklike NZ90, I could still fit the NZ90 in my jeans pocket. What's the big deal?

RE: Size Matters
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 5:30:43 PM # Q
Oh *&^%$#@! Please, NOT NOT NOT the size of the Battlestar CLIE! Nor its weight, neither. Nor any damned Boxey!

Sorry, M.C: Brain Size Matters
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/8/2005 12:27:10 AM # Q
>>>Kirvin just doesn't get that... SIZE MATTERS. That's why I use a tiny-screened UX50 most of the time while the stunning OLED-screened VZ90 usually sits at home. Apple understands industrial design. Palm doesn't.

-- well if your SONY VZ90 stays home MOST OF THE TIME, then guess what rah-rah-boy? SONY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ID EITHER!

You never were the brightest bulb in the box, were you, Mikey?

- Last time I checked, one PDA size did not fit all.
- The VZ90 is best considered a personal media player, and as such it's actually a tour de force.
- For me, for regular PDA use, tiny size and Bluetooth are more important than having a stunning screen, ridiculously long battery life or dual expansion. Having said that, the OLED screen is so good that I'd probably be willing to carry the extra few ounces if the VZ90 had Bluetooth. I'm hoping a CF Bluetooth card with drivers will eventually surface.

Sony understands design better than most consumer electronics or computer companies. Behold the brilliance that is the UX50, you cretin. You are unworthy. Seriously, Mike: the TH55, VZ90 and UX50 are all superb designs, but they each appeal to different market segments.

Have you broken down and bought a TH55 yet? W T F are you waiting for? Cur.






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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: Size Matters
mikecane @ 4/8/2005 3:53:32 PM # Q
>>>- The VZ90 is best considered a personal media player, and as such it's actually a tour de force.

To quote your own sneering comment to Jeff: No, it's a PDA.

A media player without a hard drive? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I see your new meds are still not preventing your delusions of adequacy.

Does a media player need a hard drive? No.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/8/2005 9:15:16 PM # Q
>>>- The VZ90 is best considered a personal media player, and as such it's actually a tour de force.

To quote your own sneering comment to Jeff: No, it's a PDA.

A media player without a hard drive? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I see your new meds are still not preventing your delusions of adequacy.

Cur Cane: A media player does not need to have a hard drive. In fact, storage on CompactFash is better because it is a much more rugged format, easily changed, and more likely to be trouble-free. And given how cheap 1 GB CF cards are these days, I'm glad Sony resisted the temptation to limit the VZ90 with a flaky hard drive.

The VZ90 is the best media player yet released because it has: PalmOS (and a STABLE version to boot!), a cutting edge screen, dual expansion, incredible battery life and a relatively compact form factor. Of course, you'll never have the honor of seeing one of these babies in person. It's nice to know that the unwashed Untouchables like you will never be allowed to be in the presence of this Holy CLIE.

Enjoy your S320 and your Tungsten E, Mike. Dumba$$.






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RE: Size Matters
Rome @ 4/9/2005 1:43:06 AM # Q
I wrote

"Two major differences:

- You need to boot up your notebook PC, which takes a while.
- The notebook's battery life averages 3-4 hours with a Centrino chip."

TVOR Replied

"Actually a lot of Centrino laptops beat a lot of Palms in terms of battery life. My X40 lasts 5 hours. TE, T3 and UX50 all probably get 3 hours or less of REAL use. But that's comparing apples (small 4 or 5 ounce pocketable PDAs) to oranges (bigger 2 - 4 pound case-needing laptops)"

You said "a lot Centrino laptops beat a lot of palms in terms of battery life." Then you gave exactly ONE example. One is certainly not a lot. Yes, there are different devices, and have different functionaliy. But the fact remains that the AVERAGE battery life is much higher on a PDA/smartphone than a notebook PC. Why don't we compared my original Palm V to the X40?

"As soon as you start making PDAs too big to be pocketable, suddenly their tradeoffs (inability to run true Windows apps, small screen, limited hard drive sizes, etc.) become a fatal liability. You can now get decent 1 pound devices that run Real Windows. Palm (and even devices like the clever Sigmarion III) will never be able to out-Windows Windows. They have to beat Windows with superion size, battery life, stability, speed, etc. Right now the only beating Palm's designers is doing is OFF. Frequently.
Tiny cellphones and MP3 players are popular for a reason. Palm should focus on size, quality and functionality. Next-generation smaller T3, TH55 and UX50 with dual wireless, better battery performance and OLED screens are where they need to go. Laying eggs like the bogus T5 and T7 just won't cut it."

Well, how long does it take to boot up those 1 lb. Windows devices? 45 seconds instead of 60 seconds....


RE: Size Matters
mikecane @ 4/9/2005 12:53:59 PM # Q
If VoR's comments on a media player not needing a hard drive doesn't once and for all display what a brainless berk he is, the rest of you are blind.

He's now lower than the PPC weenies -- he's a CLIE weenie.

RE: Size Matters
jkirvin @ 4/9/2005 3:19:17 PM # Q
No, Mike. He's a Clie Apologist. What's sad is that he's so devoted to a product that Sony axed. People that can't live in the now make me sad.

Kirvin, Cane and Company: you're just TOO funny.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/9/2005 3:52:32 PM # Q
TVOR Replied

"Actually a lot of Centrino laptops beat a lot of Palms in terms of battery life. My X40 lasts 5 hours. TE, T3 and UX50 all probably get 3 hours or less of REAL use. But that's comparing apples (small 4 or 5 ounce pocketable PDAs) to oranges (bigger 2 - 4 pound case-needing laptops)"

You said "a lot Centrino laptops beat a lot of palms in terms of battery life." Then you gave exactly ONE example. One is certainly not a lot. Yes, there are different devices, and have different functionaliy. But the fact remains that the AVERAGE battery life is much higher on a PDA/smartphone than a notebook PC. Why don't we compared my original Palm V to the X40?

I gave the example of the primary laptop I use and have actual proof of (as opposed to useless manufacturer-supplied battery life ratings). The PDA battery times I mentioned are also REAL WORLD times from personal experience. If you want to see how many Centrino laptops can supposedly beat the PDA 3 hour life, feel free to use Google to edumacate yourself. You'll likely find a few dozen laptops that will outlast PDAs.

The fact remains that the AVERAGE battery life is NOT much higher on a PDA than a notebook PC. The average battery life on a color screened Palm from the past couple years is probably between 3 - 5 hours. The average battery life on a Real Windows laptop from the past couple years is probably between 2 - 4 hours. Solly Chowlly. In reality, now that PDAs have added more features, battery life is no longer one of their advantages over laptops. This is underscored by Palm's silence in recent years regarding their previously touted stupendous battery life. Old monochrome Palms used to have batteries that lasted for WEEKS or even MONTHS of regular use. Palm used to mock Winmdows CE about the comparatively short battery life of WinCE color screened models. Then Palm was forced by competition to S-L-O-W-L-Y add features like color screens, multimedia, Wi-Fi (well... Wi-Fi in ONE model!), etc. and suddenly we started seeing Palms that couldn't get through the day without being recharged. Hmmmm... If you're going to have to keep recharging anyway, why not just get a subnotebook capable of running REAL Windows and be done with it? Yes, even subnotebooks don't offer the size advantage of PDAs, but once we start seeing sub-1 pound clamshell Real Windows micro laptops with 6 inch OLED screens and 8 + hour battery life, PDAs are toast. I feel the fact that PDAs have failed to maintain their edge in battery life has created an major Achilles heel for this device category.

"As soon as you start making PDAs too big to be pocketable, suddenly their tradeoffs (inability to run true Windows apps, small screen, limited hard drive sizes, etc.) become a fatal liability. You can now get decent 1 pound devices that run Real Windows. Palm (and even devices like the clever Sigmarion III) will never be able to out-Windows Windows. They have to beat Windows with superion size, battery life, stability, speed, etc. Right now the only beating Palm's designers is doing is OFF. Frequently.
Tiny cellphones and MP3 players are popular for a reason. Palm should focus on size, quality and functionality. Next-generation smaller T3, TH55 and UX50 with dual wireless, better battery performance and OLED screens are where they need to go. Laying eggs like the bogus T5 and T7 just won't cut it."

Well, how long does it take to boot up those 1 lb. Windows devices? 45 seconds instead of 60 seconds....

Well, how long does it take to boot up the horrid T5 after one of its frequent crashes? And by the way, Windows laptops have this wonderful feature called "suspend" that allows users to save battery life yet still have almost instantaneous access to Windows. Try again, Bubba.


If VoR's comments on a media player not needing a hard drive doesn't once and for all display what a brainless berk he is, the rest of you are blind.

He's now lower than the PPC weenies -- he's a CLIE weenie.

What's happened to you, Mike? The old Cane would at least have TRIED to make an credible rebuttal instead of resorting to juvenile attacks. Why don't you try to explain why a 4 MB flaky hard drive - that required PalmOS to be hacked up in order to support - is better than having an industry-standard, high speed CompactFlash slot? What's that, Mike? Can't hear you. Biotch.

No, Mike. He's a Clie Apologist. What's sad is that he's so devoted to a product that Sony axed. People that can't live in the now make me sad.

Wow Kirvin, you're really showing your true colors these days. CLIE Apologist? No, I don't have to apologize for the CLIE. Let's look at three of the last CLIEs released: UX50, TH55 and VZ90.

UX50 - best form factor, integrated + rock solid Bluetooth + Wi-Fi, digital camera + video recorder, slick keyboard, indestructable high quality magnesium clamshell case (no additional bulky case needed), premium construction quality, excellent MP3 ability, etc, etc.

TH55 - high quality construction, integrated Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, camera, nice big screen, incredible battery life (probably over quadruple that of most of Palm's models with similar sized screens) MP3, video camera (with appropriate software), innovative CLIE Organizer app (an acquired taste ;-O), etc, etc.

VZ90 - unbelievable OLED screen (you have to see it in person to appreciate how revolutionary it is!), CompactFlash support, Lexus-quality construction, powerful Wi-Fi, the best battery life of any color high res PDA yet released (even better than the TH55), etc, etc

Now let's look at the woeful recent vintage Palms:

Tungsten (Dungsten) T5 (calling this a T5 should be deemed false advertising) - cheap construction quality, buggy-as-he11 OS (couldn't even get the PIM apps right??? Wow.), tragic NVRAM, barely-acceptable battery life, no Wi-Fi, etc, etc.

Tungsten E - worst construction quality EVER for a PalmOS PDA, 3 month warranty (smart thinking, Palm), no Bluetooth or Wi-Fi, etc, etc.

Treo 650 - poor phone quality, tragic NVRAM, more bugs than even the Raid factory could handle (despite this being merely an incremental update to the Treo 600 that tookover a year to produce), crippled Bluetooth, no Wi-Fi, etc, etc.


Face it, Kirvin: even a two year old CLIE blows everythin Palm can make TODAY out of the water. Those of us who value quality, reliability and features will stick with our old CLIEs, Handera's and even older Palms. Enjoy troubleshooting your new-but-bugggy-as-he11 Palms.

Sony wasn't perfect, but it looks to me like they're not the ones that need to be apologizing.

Have a seat, Kirvin.

By the way, I've notice that a lot of things seem to "make [you] sad". If you think you have a "chemical imbalance", see your physician. There are medications available that can improve your mood disorder.





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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Listen up, Blistermouth
mikecane @ 4/9/2005 5:43:33 PM # Q
>>>Why don't you try to explain why a 4 MB flaky hard drive - that required PalmOS to be hacked up in order to support - is better than having an industry-standard, high speed CompactFlash slot? What's that, Mike? Can't hear you. Biotch.

Schmuckboy: Where does a CF fit into your beloved CLIE? Go tell all those iPod owners with their massive HDs they should really listen to you and go CF. Yeah, right. Moron.

>>>There are medications available that can improve your mood disorder.

Jeff: This guy should know. His physician keeps trying to find one that works. Maybe someday his doc will wake up and try AMPUTATION.

RE: Size Matters
Timothy Rapson @ 4/10/2005 8:05:23 AM # Q
RE: VOR... "You want "revolutionary"? How about 256 MB of REAL RAM (no NVRAM crap, please), a 1 GB SD card and two SDIO slots, all in a high quality black magnesium alloy case? Removeable battery, free copy of BackupMan + include the top 10 freeware apps and games (FileZ, HandyShopper, Vexed etc.) on the installation CD. Shocking, isn't it? Hard, isn't it?"

It really is that simple. I have no explanation for how P1 keeps missing the boat on design. No explanation. I know that they must want to succeed. Everyone does. It is baffling, especially seeing your list of great Sony models. I too, loved the Sony models and had an NR70V. For all its design excellence though, it is sitting on the shelf because the connnectors have failed and Sony LIED to me about Memory Sticks going to 1 gig. If not for that one big lie I would still be a faithful Sony customer.

RE the laptops suspend feature. I have read about this before, but never heard someone who used it to replace a PDA. It doesn't matter to me as I need my PDA in my pocket, but it might matter to some. But, I know of no one who uses it in the way it is often described.

Jeff, I love your stuff. Illegitimus Carborundum.

RE: Size Matters
mikecane @ 4/10/2005 12:22:30 PM # Q
>>>RE the laptops suspend feature. I have read about this before, but never heard someone who used it to replace a PDA. It doesn't matter to me as I need my PDA in my pocket, but it might matter to some. But, I know of no one who uses it in the way it is often described.

You need to do some supplementary reading, son:

http://jkontherun.blogs.com

-- see how he uses the Sony u7xx.

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Better pictures of this

WileyCoyote @ 4/6/2005 5:07:42 PM # Q
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/new-palm2005-en.shtml
Larger and clearer pictures of this although they still are artist's renderings and not photos.
RE: Better pictures of this -- NEW info too!
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 5:19:27 PM # Q
Those guys! They keep updating that page with new stuff!

>>>We'd like to note a cradle with earphones will be available for Palm LiveDrive.

-- heh. Clumsy wording. Earphones for the cradle?! Uh, wait, this *is* p1...

>>>There is no an inegrated camera but a program called Camera Companion is present. It will help tranferring data from the camera to a drive of LiveDrive easily or just directly to a comuter via Wi-Fi.

-- ACH! The garish OKey interface is present!! It also seems like this is for still, not video, cameras... Ah, I see what they're doing. This is a little app for the Average Joe so they don't have to futz around with the persistent "What directory do my photos go in?" nonsense.

A brief T5 deja-vu?
Masamune @ 4/6/2005 6:40:47 PM # Q
"A cradle, with earphones, will be 'available'"

Judging from context, I take it the LifeDrive WON'T ship with either of the above...

RE: Better pictures of this
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 6:52:52 PM # Q
OUCH! There's a point. "available" doesn't = "included"!

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palmone's kneejerk strategy?

Gekko @ 4/6/2005 6:31:36 PM # Q

1997 - handhelds will rule the world - handheld growth is exploding! we must focus on handhelds!

2001 - handhelds are dead! smartphones will rule the world - smartphone growth is exploding! we must focus on smartphones and the business sector!

2005 - smartphones are dead! ipods will rule the world - ipod growth is exploding! we must focus on an ipod killer and the consumer sector!



RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
Masamune @ 4/6/2005 6:42:40 PM # Q
2005 + 5 minutes - iPods are dead! Media players are exploding, we must bring out a device with a colossal amount of storage space and media apps!

We can only hope...

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
Masamune @ 4/6/2005 6:44:31 PM # Q
Ahem...."Media player GROWTH is exploding", not the actual devices themselves.. = (

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
archie@PIC @ 4/6/2005 6:58:09 PM # Q
Yea, you can't get anywhere when you are just chasing the market around like that.

Remember those slides that were distributed early last fall. Look at this:
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?p=614525&highlight=#post614525

Palm even admits to just riding the wave. Well, those waves have to come crashing down sometime.

Apple now has all the engineers of SchemaSoft working for them as well as all of their software technology. Developed technology like open standards-based software that lets you extract the content found in common file formats, including Microsoft Office, Adobe PDF, Quark and others. You can then repurpose the content in standardized structures that is most appropriate for the particular need (HTML, XML or SVG; or vendor-specific formats such as PDF or Microsoft Office).

Why is this important:
it works on all versions of Windows, Macintosh, Palm OS and Symbian OSes.

Is Apple entering the smart phone OS market? Well, I don't know for sure, but I do know they are not relying on the iPods current iterations to carry them on some "wave" to success.

On a side note, Apple has just entered into a contract with Alphamosaic, in Cambridge, UK. Alphamosaic is actually owned by Broadcom.

Broadcom says the chip uses very small amounts of battery power and "excels in high-quality 3D graphics performance with the capability to support pixel shading and volumetric lighting with low power consumption, making it ideal for use in mobile gaming applications and comparable in performance to home consoles."

Plus it can be integrated with cell phone chips from Broadcom.

The chip, being gcalled the VC02, can display video on 3.5 inch color LCDs and capture 8 megapixel images, making it ideal for watching TV, making videos or taking studio-quality photos on a cellphone.



RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 6:58:35 PM # Q
2005 + 4 months, 6 days -- Gekko is exploding.

PIC readers breathe a sigh of relief.

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
jfme @ 4/6/2005 7:18:15 PM # Q
"Remember those slides that were distributed early last fall. Look at this: http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?p=614525&highlight=#post614525"

Gee...I wonder how many high level upper management men hours it took to come up with those four ideas.

Maybe they should spend a few minutes reading places like palminfocenter.com to know what people really really want.

This could mean big savings to spare them a few extra pennies to use in delivering better devices and decent tech support.

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
mikecane @ 4/6/2005 7:46:09 PM # Q
Now that link was interesting reading. I like how the slideshow points were broad enough that you could drive 10 Mack trucks through them -- side by side!

As for the greedy telcos -- whose customer service was no doubt the model for p1's now-abominable service -- DoCoMo showed them how to make money off content. But did they learn? No, they think content on a phone puts them in the same league as MGM, Fox, etc. Puhleeze! Hey telcos, if you're reading this, get the point: YOU ARE NOTHING BUT PLUMBING!

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 11:33:59 PM # Q
Gekko spewed...

"2005 - smartphones are dead! ipods will rule the world - ipod growth is exploding! we must focus on an ipod killer and the consumer sector!"

And yet, if they had "stayed the course", Gekko would berate them for NOT being flexible and attacking new markets.

Don't you have an "empire" to run, G? Shoo!

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
Jeffry @ 4/7/2005 5:29:57 PM # Q
2005 + 4 months, 6 days, 1 nanosecond: PIC explodes. All troll is dead.

YAY

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
Gekko @ 4/7/2005 6:09:38 PM # Q

>YOU ARE NOTHING BUT PLUMBING!

Hey Con - don't forget - without plumbing, your shiit all piles up. Don't underestimate the value of infrastructure.



RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
mikecane @ 4/8/2005 3:55:59 PM # Q
A plumber doesn't fool himself into thinking that just because he installed a toilet for, say, Michael Eisner (former head of Disney, for those late to the game), he can also do Eisner's *job*.

RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
Gekko @ 4/8/2005 4:06:19 PM # Q

But Eisner knows that if he wants to take a shiit in peace, he needs the plumber.



RE: palmone's kneejerk strategy?
mikecane @ 4/8/2005 4:38:02 PM # Q
But now you're seeing my point: A smart guy like Eisner *calls* for a plumber, he doesn't try to *be* one. Telcos have no business being anything other than plumbing.

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Shame On You: The Apple iPod

mikecane @ 4/6/2005 6:48:47 PM # Q
http://cbsnewyork.com/shamestories/local_story_056150703.html

-- let's hope p1 won't have the same thing with the LifeDrive battery!

RE: Shame On You: The Apple iPod
Masamune @ 4/7/2005 6:09:52 AM # Q
I heard about this just after I got my iPod.

But, isn't this exactly the same style of battery that's in almost every Palm Handheld? None of these can be easily replaced by the user - so what's the big deal? Send it back to the manufacturer or a 3rd party supplier and quit whinging.

RE: Shame On You: The Apple iPod
twizza @ 4/7/2005 1:00:05 PM # Q
Batteries last for most people longer than they own the device. I would think that this would be the same in applying, even with frequent recharging and discharging.

antoinerjwright.com
RE: Shame On You: The Apple iPod
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 1:14:42 PM # Q
You must have missed the big outcry over the iPod battery. By the time TV picks things up, the crest has already passed. Don't go by your *PDA* use. The LD is a *media player*. Its battery will be driven harder.

RE: Shame On You: The Apple iPod
twizza @ 4/7/2005 1:16:31 PM # Q
Actually, I have used my last 3 palms as media players, and my ones before that did 6+ hours a day of Wordsmith and AvantGo (in class you have to do something). My batteries were doing quite well, though I admit that having to charge everyday the m515 because of my love of that first color PDA that I had was a bit of an adjustment. I find that my T5 does pretty much all that I need in the media dept. 5hrs of music per workday, syncing at work and BT syncing at home; BT webbing for abuot an hour after work on the way home. It does well. I wont know how the battery will be in a few years, but it can do.

antoinerjwright.com
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on / off / hold

dm @ 4/6/2005 8:07:30 PM # Q
Someone made the comment that even a big PDA is differentiated from a laptop because it is instant on. I am a bit scared by the idea of on / off / hold in that there maybe a boot phase or time to reload the ram image?? ie hold is like suspend / hibernate on your laptop? What is everyone elses interpretation of this?

Dean

RE: on / off / hold
JKingGrim @ 4/6/2005 8:29:24 PM # Q
Hold means the device is on, but the screen is disabled. This is for when listening to mp3s, battery is saved. a few SONYs have this feature

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133 comments and....

Timothy Rapson @ 4/6/2005 9:28:28 PM # Q
No one said, "I am not buying this if it doesn't have a flip cover!"
A new record for PIC. Sorry to ruin it.

RE: 133 comments and....
jfme @ 4/6/2005 11:00:10 PM # Q
Good call

My only concern is that when adding flip cover this device may take the shape of a cube.

RE: 133 comments and....
dm @ 4/7/2005 12:28:25 AM # Q
LOL :-)

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The $500 question

Jeffry @ 4/6/2005 11:04:24 PM # Q
I'm wondering, who's going to shell out $500 for this brick?

RE: The $500 question
jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 11:36:15 PM # Q
Who shells out $700 for the Archos media player/PDA?

Back under your bridge, troll.

RE: The $500 question
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 2:52:54 AM # Q
I'm wondering, who's going to shell out $500 for this brick?



RE: The $500 question
jkirvin @ 4/6/2005 11:36:15 PM

Who shells out $700 for the Archos media player/PDA?

Answer (to both questions): An idiot. By the way, how do you like your Archos, Kirvin?

Back under your bridge, Palm Apologist.






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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: The $500 question
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 11:23:11 AM # Q
Only nuts who buy online will pay $500 for this. The rest of us who shop in actual stores will be paying *$550*.

RE: The $500 question
jkirvin @ 4/7/2005 2:03:59 PM # Q
VoR spewed...

"Back under your bridge, Palm Apologist."

Okay, I gotta ask. Morbid curiosity.

If you're so bitter about Palm, so ready to point out every perceived failing before the device is even released, why are you here? If you don't like Palms, why waste your finite lifespan spewing venom? Don't you have something, anything, more fulfilling you could be doing with your time?

Think about it.

RE: The $500 question
Jeffry @ 4/7/2005 2:27:55 PM # Q
jkirvin,

Do you have anything against me personally? That's what I thought.

RE: The $500 question
jkirvin @ 4/7/2005 4:14:30 PM # Q
No, nothing personal, but you gotta admit you sound like a troll. People spend $650 for the HP hx4700, which doesn't do all that this does, so I think $500 is a bargain.

RE: The $500 question
RhinoSteve @ 4/11/2005 4:26:54 PM # Q
Question: Who will spend $500 for this?

Answer: People with $500 who can take advantage of it for to their own advantage.

Converse Answer: Those who will not buy it are wine and moan PIC posters that pose at college students or retail wage slaves that spend too much time on the Internet instead of making money in the real world.

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I will buy this new Palm at price if....

Cheetah @ 4/7/2005 1:10:39 AM # Q
2 criteria are met:

1. battery life - can't be shorter then my T5
2. size - gotta fit in a shirt pocket comfortably



RE: I will buy this new Palm at price if....
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 2:56:21 AM # Q
Guess you won't be buyin'...





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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: I will buy this new Palm at price if....
RhinoSteve @ 4/11/2005 9:53:31 PM # Q
and then you can select if it is delivered to you by Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
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Predicted Size

jfme @ 4/7/2005 6:53:43 AM # Q
By scaling the pictures and using the T5 screen size as a reference, I came up with the following dimensions:

Height = 5.28 in
Width = 3.00 in
Thickness = 1.20 in

Lets hope I am wrong on the thickness....


RE: Predicted Size
Jeffry @ 4/7/2005 2:31:32 PM # Q
depth: 1.2 inches?? Are you sure?

RE: Predicted Size
jfme @ 4/7/2005 2:47:54 PM # Q
Because of the perspective it hard to tell. The low number is .94 and the high number is 1.2. I guess the worst it can be is 1.2. I am more confident on the L and W values.

Some rumors for the thickness say:
- Twice as much as the T5 (1.22)
- 180% as the T5 (1.1)

I think micro hard drives measure about 5 mm in thickness. Adding this to the T5 thickness would make it ~0.8 in.

Somebody made a good point about the stylus looking like 1/4 of the thickness. Hopefully, the stylus is not the same size as a sharpie marker...... lol

Rumors are rumors and don't we love them!!....However, we will not know for sure until the device is released.

RE: Predicted Size
mikecane @ 4/7/2005 3:52:14 PM # Q
As for the stylus, I'd be surprised if they introduced a new one. It makes sense that it would use the same one as the TE/TE2. I think the boingboing stylus of the T3 is a thing of the past.

But with p1, you never can tell...

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USB host

porting @ 4/8/2005 7:31:32 AM # Q
Does the camera companion (see mobile-review) imply that the live drive is capable of USB host or can this be done in another way as well?
RE: USB host
mikecane @ 4/8/2005 3:58:13 PM # Q
This is p1. That Camera Companion app is most likely a simple way to transfer photos from a camera's SD into the LifeDrive. No more of this "Which directory do Photos go in?" nonsense.

This also makes me think, since we haven't been seeing any links for a *video* transfer/playback app, that p1 might market this as a "camera companion" and not a full-blown media player...

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MikeCon

Gekko @ 4/8/2005 4:17:00 PM # Q

Con - How do you feel about this T7 if it has:

32MB ***NVFS***
4GB HD

I personally will not buy it if it has the same SLUGGISH performance of the T5. Unless they SIGNIFICANTLY changed the architecture of how memory is handled - and they really tweaked OS 5.4, I think it will be as slow or slower than the T5 - which would be unacceptable.

And aren't Microdrives read/write times even slower than NVFS???

Am I missing something???


RE: MikeCon
mikecane @ 4/8/2005 4:32:54 PM # Q
I won't know until I've had a chance to fondle it. What I really want to see first of all is video playback performance. I've got an SD all ready with MMPlayer and an MPEG to try. (I might also set up another SD with a *massive* -- 100MB+ -- DiVXed AVI to try out too.)

If this thing doesn't work out, I might have to go fishing for a T3...

RE: MikeCon
Gekko @ 4/8/2005 4:59:43 PM # Q

What is it with you people and the need to play videos and play games on these devices?

I thought you use it for *REAL WORK* like me?

Give me lots of *REAL* RAM (256MB+), a nice big display, decent battery life, and Integrated WIFI and I'm happy!



RE: MikeCon
mikecane @ 4/9/2005 12:57:06 PM # Q
I don't play games. But a hard drive and a screen like that cry out, "Play video on me!" And are you going to tell me *you* won't be cranking MP3s on *yours*?

We can always hope for Tapwave to top the LifeDrive with *real* RAM, but I'm not holding out for a new unit from them.

RE: MikeCon
JKingGrim @ 4/9/2005 4:51:18 PM # Q
The 32mb will not be NVFS. The hd replaces NVFS. The 32mb will probably be dynamic RAM invisible to the user.

RE: MikeCon
mikecane @ 4/9/2005 4:56:49 PM # Q
So wait -- tell me how they sell this thing then: "4GB of memory"? Is that what you're saying here?

RE: MikeCon
Gekko @ 4/9/2005 6:34:43 PM # Q

Here's gfunk's analysis of the T5's memory. I'm curious how the T7 is cut up.

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RE: 32MB RAM
gfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:19:13 AM

Well, here is how the memory architecture of the T5 is organized:

Tunsgten T5:
NAND Flash (Total Size = 256 MB)
Boot Code (< 1 MB)
Compressed ROM (14 MB)
User Data or Storage Heap (64 MB)
Internal Volume (178 MB)

RAM (Total Size = 32MB)
Decompressed Rom (16 MB)
DB Cache Area (10 MB)
Dynamic Heap (6 MB)

I assume the compressed Rom of the Life Drive would be different, but both the total Ram size and dynamic heap/storage heap should be the same (assuming the device is listed as have "63 MB" ram). The 4GB could be either Nand or HD... I don't think it matters as far as the NVFS architecture. Afterall that is the whole point of NVFS is that the device used for storage need not be NAND flash and could just as easily be a hard drive...

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RE: MikeCon
mikecane @ 4/10/2005 12:17:46 PM # Q
Listen: This Rube Goldberg memory scheme gives me a friggin headache. My bottom line will be the same as yours: When I put everything I want to use on it, WILL IT WORK?

RE: MikeCon
Gekko @ 4/10/2005 12:34:53 PM # Q

EXACTLY! This explains NVFS PERFECTLY!!!!!!!!!

A Rube Goldberg machine or device is any exceedingly complex apparatus that performs a very simple task in a very indirect and convoluted way. Rube devised and drew several such pataphysical devices. The best examples of his machines have an anticipation factor. The fact that something so wacky is happening can only be topped by it happening in a suspenseful manner.

The term also applies as a classification for generally over-complicated apparatus or software. It first appeared in Webster's Third New International Dictionary with the definition, "accomplishing by extremely complex roundabout means what actually or seemingly could be done simply."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg



RE: MikeCon
cbowers @ 4/10/2005 3:39:38 PM # Q
I can only hope that the memory arrangement will include a 30-40MB cache like an ipod. Thus the HD can stay spooled down most of the time. Though this will work better for multimedia then average PDA usage. Even still if the device could keep a most recently used list of apps and load them and their data into the cache during idle moments after a media player is exited.

That's about the only way I can see acceptable access times, and battery life.

RE: MikeCon
Gekko @ 4/10/2005 10:44:34 PM # Q

I want the TRUTH about this RAM!

RE: MikeCon
mikecane @ 4/11/2005 1:14:31 PM # Q
Yeesh. I will not take your bait, Gekko, and spit out that cliche movie line in response. I leave that cheapness to Barking Unreason.

If you wind up loading everything onto that, and it all works (well, given the stuff that will have to be shed in transitioning to the latest Garnet mutation), and the battery life is great, will the memory scheme even matter? I don't think so.

None of these questions can be answered until we have the unit in our mitts (respectively; keep your mitts away from mine!).

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Is this the shape of things to come?

svrontis @ 4/10/2005 9:21:56 PM # Q
Guys,

I heard Jeff Hawkins interviewed on a radio program (late last night) on convergent technologies. His thesis was that the shoephone will be replaced within the next 10 years with a kind of handheld 'portal' device, which would use VoIP (through a WiFi connection*) to make calls, access the internet, access personal data & media, etc.

It just occurred to me that the LifeDrive may be intended as a step in this direction. (Just guessing, you understand - this is all new stuff for me.)

Any comments?

(* I don't recall if Mr Hawkins said so, but part of the report was on how most towns will in future have blanket WiFi coverage, etc.)

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Graffiti 1 for TT5/Treo 650 works for now

Gekko @ 4/11/2005 10:48:32 PM # Q
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Graffiti 1 for TT5/Treo 650 works for now
If you wan to use Graffiti 1 with your PalmOS 5.4 device (TT5 or Treo 650), try this patched version: http://yahm.palmoid.com/G14OS54.zip

It's slightly tuned G1 libraries.

Follow usual G1 installation instruction (use search).
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YAHM developer: http://yahm.palmoid.com

http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84784

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Maybe it'll work for LifeDrive? Anyone with a T5/T650 want to try and report back?

THANKS IGOR! If this works, you're a friggin GENIUS!


RE: Graffiti 1 for TT5/Treo 650 works for now
Finn @ 5/28/2005 1:16:49 PM # Q
Is there any follow up as to whether the g1 hack works on lifedrive?

RE: Graffiti 1 for TT5/Treo 650 works for now
dwilzon @ 6/19/2005 11:00:23 PM # Q
Installed graffiti 1 on lifedrive..works about 90% of the time. The drive occasionally reboots and turns back on with the following error " A reset was caused... while running "Memos": SysEvtMgr.c, Line:1208, pen q out of sync". Any ideas on problem?

Thanks

RE: Graffiti 1 for TT5/Treo 650 works for now
Headbanger @ 11/23/2005 3:11:02 PM # Q
Hi Igor,

I tried the G1 libraries on my Z22 and it didn't work out so well (the screen freaked out and I had to end up doing a hard reset).

Any chance that similar files might exist for the Z22 (OS 5.4)?...

Thanks Igor.

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Trouble With Defective Palm Organizers

mikecane @ 4/12/2005 9:30:31 AM # Q
Did any of you hit the link on the right side?

You've GOTTA read this!

>>>Kevin Johnson had five palm organizers in less than a year -- all were defective.

http://www.wsoctv.com/action9/4368875/detail.html

Unfortunately it also shows the sad state of reporting -- Handspring is called "Mindspring." And although this is about the antique Treo, it could just as well be said about the TE and T3 (and Treo 600, if VoR and Gekko are to be -- COUGH! -- believed).

Gekko is right about that G1 bounty. We should WAIT to see the LifeDrive first. If it turns out to be something I won't buy, the existing G1 Hell Patch would do on the T3 I'll go fishing for.

Treo 600 defect rate = ??????????????
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/12/2005 1:22:20 PM # Q
Cane, have you EVER read any threads at TreoCentral? It's not uncommon for Treo 600 users to have returned 3 or 4 defective Treos in a year. I decided I wasn't gonna play that game a month after I bought my Treo 600. I didn't pay $400 to become a Palm beta tester...

RE: Trouble With Defective Palm Organizers
mikecane @ 4/12/2005 3:57:33 PM # Q
Update your file, boob. I have just about ZERO interest in cellphones. Do the poor readers at TCentral have to put up with your delusional rants on *their* forums too?

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Install Every Palm OS program ever created

jfme @ 4/13/2005 10:13:10 AM # Q
If the 4Gb harddrive works the way it is supposed to (no marketing cheap cheats aka "256Mb" in T5), would it be enough space to store all Palm OS applications ever created?

Note that the storage chart does not mention programs/applications:

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/new-palm2005-en.shtml

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