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    Comments on: Rumor: More LifeDrive Renderings and InfoA new rendering of the rumored palmOne LifeDrive has been posted along with some additional details. Read on for more details.
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That does appear to be 'FileZ'. However, examining closely the 'Z' looks fairly clear but the 'F' 'i' 'l' and 'e' are completely unreadable. It could be that this is 'Files', the application that came with the Tungsten|T5, and the way the text blurred/scaled-down just happened to form what appears to be a 'Z'. RE: Screenshot?
Ahem. It's big and it's a Z not an S.... The other thing I've noticed is the lack of the "1234" box on the upper right corner. Looks like there's a category, but it's too blurred . RE: Screenshot?
The icon is very similar to FileZ's one (at least as far as I can see it in my T|C).... FileZ vs Files
palmato wrote @ 4/5/2005 5:37:47 PM > Ahem. It's big and it's a Z not an S.... Some counter evidence: * The "Z" appears to be very clear, but yet the 'F' is not. * The top and bottom horizontal lines of the "Z" are parallel to the pixel grid of the image and not to the top and bottom of the "Life Drive's" screen. RE: Screenshot?m130fullbutcontent @ 4/5/2005 6:49:20 PM #
I would say that 'FileZ' is present because this is a 'rendering' - i.e. a fancy artists impression of the 'Life Drive' and not a photograph of a working unit. The artist concerned has therefore produced a simulated screen image - perhaps lifted from a different device running with a similar screen size -such as a T3 or T5. Personally I would place less weight on this image than the deliberately fuzzy 'sneaky' pics of what looked like a running prototype we saw days ago. This looks to me like an industrial designers 'concept rendering (or pretty 3D drawing) of the type used to propose a design before approval is made for prototypes or mock ups to be made for real. These would be easier to get hold of & copy than images of a finalised product I suspect. [Well thats my opinion/suspicion anyway :-) ] RE: Screenshot?
Actually, the icon is different from the standard FileZ on currently available. Yes, this is an artist rendering no doubt. The question is whether it's a rendering by a PalmOne artist and if so, whether it is an actual product? Strange that an artist would great an entirely new icon too. Kevin. I'm addicted to Palm too, but if the PalmOne lays an egg this spring like they did in the fall, then we will may be addicted to a ex-Palm. RE: Screenshot?
Not to get too hung up on this - but that is exactly the icon that is on the version of FileZ that is on my device. The text - with big 'Z' - is identical. That is FileZ. RE: Screenshot?happypalms @ 4/6/2005 6:59:39 PM #
Also, Facer Launcher is there. ---------------------------------------- Palm m130 -> Tungsten|T -> Tungsten|T3 The PalmCube® is cummingThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/10/2005 3:14:52 PM #
With a big stiff hard drive and bursting with RUBE(Goldberg)RAM™, it's gonna splatter all over the faces of eager Palm lovers around the world. This monster is set to erupt in two weeks. Bend over and assume the position, Citizen Cane. ************************************************************************************* Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: Screenshot?
>>>RUBE(Goldberg) RAM I'm satisfied to see that you can again do nothing but follow my lead. Heel, Pavlov. Good doggie. Mike Cane: feel free to plagiarize me some more.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/11/2005 9:22:20 AM #
>>>RUBE(Goldberg)™RAM I'm satisfied to see that you can again do nothing but follow my lead. Heel, Pavlov. Good doggie. It must suck to be you, Mike. I expect you won't have the guts to apologize . Dumba$$.
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RE: Screenshot?
As if I even remember your tawdry posts. But, Christ, this must mean I've been infected by you. Apologize? Hahahahaha. The estrogen must be eating at your brain -- well, that or the herpes. FileZ vs Files
Previously I argued that the application in the screen shot above might not be FileZ but a scaling aberration and might actually be Files. However, upon looking at the larger images on Mobile-review.com, I now concede, it is most clearly FileZ.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/new-palm2005-en.shtml 
 that thing is GINORMOUS!
seriously.... A pda was meant to be mobile. what ever happened to thin and light and small formfactor?! Ah well.. features look sweet though. RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
WAY TOO BIG! That is a brick if there ever was one. Nice looking though. It seems that more and more this IS the device that will be released soon. We'll see....
Trade-Offs
With any PDA design, there are trade offs. The designers have to balance aesthetics, usability, battery life, features, performance, resolution, etc. With this device's features (full screen, Wifi and Hard Drive) and expected usage (Wifi, and Multi-Media player) this device is going to need a large capacity battery or else it will have a very short battery life; therefore it has a large battery and therefore it has to be thick. I do agree this device is going to be a thick one, but I think I can live with it. Question: How does its size compare to say one of the high-end Sony devices, like the UX50 or NZ-90? RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
UX50 or NZ90. That's like saying how does a Ford compare to the size of Chevys like the Cavalier or Suburban. The UX is decent, but the NZ90 is a boat anchor in size. Would be nice to see the "alleged" LD alongside other devices tho. And I do mean alleged. RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!RhinoSteve @ 4/5/2005 5:52:29 PM #
If this alleged unit has an alleged mini-hard disk, then that is contributing to the thickness. Look at your any of the MP3 players out there with mini-hard disks (iPod, Zen, etc.) and you have similar thicknesses. There are trade offs here for this alleged product. UX50, NZ90 Comparison
From http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6162 the UX50 was .7 inches thick. From http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5065 the NZ90 was .9 inches thick. From http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26780 I had estimated that the "Life Drive" will be about .79 inches thick. RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
"Look at your any of the MP3 players out there with mini-hard disks (iPod, Zen, etc.) and you have similar thicknesses. There are trade offs here for this alleged product." Horse hockey. RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!Myndwalker @ 4/6/2005 12:53:13 AM #
I have decided I must have one, but I will be using a mens size 13 furry pink bunny slipper as a case since it is the only thing large enough to hold it and soft enough to protect the STUPID microdrive that will stop often becuase it DOES NOT HAVE REPLACEABLE BATTERIES which it needs because IT ALSO NEEDS A 624MHZ PROCESSOR. Ho-hum. Back to my T3 until forced to go PPC. RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
Well, when you take your older Palm AND your iPod mini out of your pocket, you should have more than enough space to fit one of these things. - Matthias RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
Myndwalker - I agree. If ppc units can achieve thinner units with dual slots, removable batteries, wifi, BT, and 624 MHZ of power, then this should be able to do the same. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the stylish looks of the device, and I hope it incorporates at least MOST of what is being written now, but I still think it'll be too thick for a lot of people. Also, why is it that PPC can have, for all practical purposes, G1, but Palm devices can't? I STILL can't figure that one out. Oh well... All good things... That's not a brick, it's an iPod....JonAcheson @ 4/6/2005 11:44:27 AM #
It's not as big as you think, if that picture is accurate. Look at the size of the stylus and SD slot compared to the width of the device. This thing is about 2/3 the width of a tungsten E, and maybe a little shorter, and a little thicker. It should be about as pocketable as an iPod. Or am I just imagining things? But otherwise, that stylus is HUGE.
RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
>>>Also, why is it that PPC can have, for all practical purposes, G1, but Palm devices can't? I STILL can't figure that one out. Repeating for those who keep missing it: Microsoft got a license from Xerox to cover their butt. Most likely -- as with their Calligrapher license for PPC Transcriber -- the license is *exclusive* and prohibits Xerox (as well as Calli's company) from offering it for other handheld platforms. The only way for p1 to offer G1 is for them to crush the Xerox suit to the extreme satisfaction of their attorneys. Meaning, if Xerox has indeed appealed, p1 must win that appeal too. That should satisfy the legalities. Now, as for whether p1 would then even offer G1 after that is another matter entirely. RE: that thing is GINORMOUS!
Mike,
Are you one of those crazy protesters I saw on TV at the G2 Summit? Is the what that G# was all about? Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Image zoom
The text items in the image above specify (after zooming the image - question marks are mine): MIC RE: Image zoomWileyCoyote @ 4/5/2005 6:42:19 PM #
VR? Virtual Reality of course. Finally a holographic PDA So did anyone wonder if the SD slot area seemed rather large? Could this have two SD slots? I am NOT going to whine about it not having a retarded CF slot- I will leave that to others. RE: Image zoom
Lightpipe? Let's hope it shows: 1) Charging Though I could get along without 3 & 4. 1, 2 & 5 are MUSTs, I think. RE: Image zoom
Gekko, and then you wonder why people put you on the same low level as VoR? You say you're rich? Only in your delusional head! No one with your lack of self-control could ever accumulate wealth. RE: Image zoomThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 11:38:14 PM #
Oh please. I'm much lower than Lizard Boy.
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Impressive BUT...
This new PalmOne PDA does look Impressive but it will not get me to trade in my T|3. I am still holding out for OS6. If this device had OS6 then it would be awesome and I would upgrade. Right now I still don't see any need to get excited or feel incline to upgrade from my T|3. I have Bluetooth and the PalmOne WiFi card. I also, have plenty of storage space and can always add more by buy an SD card. That is my thoughts on this new PDA from PalmOne. RE: Impressive BUT...
So the microphone and voice recorder are back, just like the T series used to always have (except for the T5). I wonder if the following are back too, which every T series had except for the T5: Too bad it still does NOT have a: I am glad palmOne will finally have a PDA with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth in one unit. I wonder what the battery life will be like??? By the way, I'd rather have 4 GB of Flash memory built-in instead of a 4 GB hard drive. A hard drive may be cheaper, but Flash memory prices are dropping fast, and Flash memory: palmOne probably could get Flash memory much cheaper than we can. With 1 GB SD costing less than $80, palmOne could probably get these in large quantities for less than $30 each. Add four of these in place of the hard drive, and it will probably not cost that much more than a hard drive. RE: Impressive BUT...
I hope life drive will add something to battery life too. Less than 7 hours is not for me. Seems I'm waiting for OLED,... RE: Impressive BUT...
>If this device had OS6 then it would >be awesome and I would upgrade. This covers my feelings almost exactly, except the PDA I currently use is even older. With no signs of OS 6 from PalmOne I am probably going to be movig to another platform soon (even though I am not that thrilled with the other options). I am tired of waiting for PalmOne to get serious about providing any modern solutions. RE: Impressive BUT...
Too bad it still does NOT have a: - universal connector (or at least mini USB) MiniUSB is for low end devices. UC is DEAD. The Athena has replaced it.
$120 of the device cost just for memory? Nowhere near worth it. HD is a lot more cost effective. Cobalt ConfusionThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/5/2005 9:52:41 PM #
>If this device had OS6 then it would >be awesome and I would upgrade. This covers my feelings almost exactly, except the PDA I currently use is even older. With no signs of OS 6 from PalmOne I am probably going to be movig to another platform soon (even though I am not that thrilled with the other options). I am tired of waiting for PalmOne to get serious about providing any modern solutions. What exactly are you trying to do with your PDA that you can't with PalmOS 5 but think you will be able to accomplish with PalmOS 6? Most people (not necessarily you) don't seem to understand that Cobalt is not as big a "paradigm shift" as they think it is. Unless you have some VERY specific PalmOS 6 needs, most people would be better served by sticking with a tweaked version of PalmOS 5 and then optimizing it with some well-selected apps. Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes...
Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: Impressive BUT...kevinbgood @ 4/5/2005 10:22:55 PM #
Life Drive will be running OS 5.4, not Cobalt. Cobalt will show up in smartphones and GPS devices first. For now, the upgraded version of OS 5 will serve the Life Drive well. Addicted to Palm RE: Impressive BUT...gregjsmith @ 4/5/2005 11:44:57 PM #
What exactly are you trying to do with your PDA that you can't with PalmOS 5 but think you will be able to accomplish with PalmOS 6? The main advantage I can see that OS6 has is multi tasking. If it works like I think it should, I can run my GPS app and switch over to other apps without having to kill it. My T3 would be a killer car computer if I could do the GPS and ODBII app at the same time. RE: Impressive BUT...None_of_Your_Busines @ 4/6/2005 7:11:03 AM #
Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes... Another braindead comment from the Voice_of_Stupidity. RE: Impressive BUT...
Look at me. I must have a near-death fever, but I am actually going to come to the DEFENSE of VoR?! He's right. Cobalt v1 is a botch. You would spend more time marvelling over what it DOESN'T have than all the things it DOES have. p1 is smart to pass it by for now. RE: Impressive BUT...
Greg; If programed right, in OS5 that is possible as there are chat, email, and MP3 programs that can work in the background in sort of a simulated multitasking format. But really, OS5 does more than enuogh in palmOne's implementation, and a tick more in Tapwave's. antoinerjwright.com RE: Impressive BUT...
What exactly are you trying to do with your PDA that you can't with PalmOS 5 but think you will be able to accomplish with PalmOS 6? Most people (not necessarily you) don't seem to understand that Cobalt is not as big a "paradigm shift" as they think it is. Unless you have some VERY specific PalmOS 6 needs, most people would be better served by sticking with a tweaked version of PalmOS 5 and then optimizing it with some well-selected apps. Wake up: Emperor Cobalt has no clothes... You have no idea how many developers that are waiting for Cobalt to port apps from other platforms, frustrated by the lack of Cobalt devices, and getting impatient for a Cobalt release. Cobalt is a big "paradigm shift" and you do not yet know the power under the hood. RE: Impressive BUT...Timothy Rapson @ 4/6/2005 9:00:13 PM #
Great summary of LifeDrive, The PDA Universe and Everything. RE: Impressive BUT...Timothy Rapson @ 4/6/2005 9:02:03 PM #
That is, kpr's summary of the situation. Very good. I would like Cobalt for that multi-tasking, the real files, TrueType fonts, VGA with standard APIs for all screen resolutions. It is time, but it looks like it is never going to get here before it is too late. Cobalt who?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 10:17:19 PM #
Another braindead comment from the Voice_of_Stupidity. Thanks for your intelligent rebuttal. Too bad you apparently lack the neuronal activity necessary to post a coherent response attempting to explain why you disagree with what I said. Look at me. I must have a near-death fever, but I am actually going to come to the DEFENSE of VoR?! [***Thousands of PIC readers gasp***] He's right. Cobalt v1 is a botch. You would spend more time marvelling over what it DOESN'T have than all the things it DOES have. p1 is smart to pass it by for now. Of course I'm right, Mike. I'm always right. You know that. As most people truly familiar with PalmOS 5 and 6 know, besides its (somewhat limited and currently flaky) multitasking architecture, PalmOS 6 ("Cobalt") brings little new to the table that a casual user will appreciate. Don't get me wrong: Cobalt was a great attempt by a tiny company, but this story has so many similarities to the Be tragedy, it's almost scary. Ask yourself how often you really need "multitasking" on a PDA. Yes, it can be useful on some devices, especially smartphones. Some PalmOS 5 apps (e.g. Chatter, I believe) can pseudo-multitask already. Choose your apps wisely and a STABLE implementation of PalmOS 5 kicks the sh!t out of the Cobalt betas that are expected to arrive later this year from some second tier smartphone companies. If we could just have a mix of the Treo 600 and the TapWave versions of PalmOS 5, most people would be happy waiting the two years it will take before PalmLinux is ready for prime time. To the imbecile in the peanut gallery: Disagree? Rather than posting juvenile comments (shocking!) why not try to show why you feel Cobalt is a viable option for companies in April, 2005? No doubt the silence will be deafening. Get back to work, Dianne...
Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
Cobalt, Schmobalt!The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 10:44:34 PM #
You have no idea how many developers that are waiting for Cobalt to port apps from other platforms, frustrated by the lack of Cobalt devices, and getting impatient for a Cobalt release. Cobalt is a big "paradigm shift" and you do not yet know the power under the hood. How many? Three? Let's see... no one has ANY Cobalt devices available, but there are millions of PalmOS 3, 4 and 5 devices around. Millions. Cobalt sales in 2005 will probably be less than 100,000 devices. Hmmm.... HUGE market for Cobalt apps, huh? As a developer, why the he!! would I waste ANY time porting my apps at this point in time? Think about it in terms of Return on Investment. The Catch 22: no devices = no Cobalt-specific apps = no devices = no Cobalt-specific apps... Cobalt Theory means NOTHING until it's out there in the hands of paying customers, undergoing Palm's standard beta testing. That's when we'll hear all the horror stories about the multitasking instability, lack of telephony stacks for cellphone carriers, etc. Emperor Cobalt has no clothes. Say it with me: "Emperor Cobalt has no clothes." The peasants are finally starting to catch on. The problem is that no one can predict how much longer tarted-up versions of PalmOS 5 can withstand the body blows being delivered by Windows devices with their seductive hardware. The OLED-screened CLIEs that were scheduled to come out this spring would have kept a lot of the deserters in the PalmOS fold. Oh well. Que sera sera.
Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
What REALLY can Cobalt do that PalmOS 5 can't? Not much.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 11:39:54 PM #
That is, kpr's summary of the situation. Very good. I would like Cobalt for that multi-tasking, the real files, TrueType fonts, VGA with standard APIs for all screen resolutions. It is time, but it looks like it is never going to get here before it is too late. Well done. But... PalmOS 5 can do pseudomultitasking TapwaveOS/McFile/FileMan/FileZ (yes, not necessarily what you're alluding to, but PalmOS 5 and a little effort can handle all kinds of files fairly effectively). Fonts4OS5 - http://www.lubak.net/ (not bad and probably "good enough" for 95% of PDA users.) PalmOS 5 can do VGA. And we really only need APIs for what we have hardware for.
Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: Impressive BUT...
One point about devs that I think is being missed: There were few Pilots in hands, yet the software flowed. "Devs" doesn't necessary mean the Big Names. Give a coder in HS/college a Cobalt device and they'll start spinning out the software. Things always start from the bottom up, not top down. (And VoR, get your mind out of the gutter.) Sorry, Charlie... so solly, ChowllyThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 9:56:16 PM #
One point about devs that I think is being missed: There were few Pilots in hands, yet the software flowed. "Devs" doesn't necessary mean the Big Names. Give a coder in HS/college a Cobalt device and they'll start spinning out the software. Things always start from the bottom up, not top down. Grassroots support generally is a factor in NEW product categories. I doubt that would include PDAs at this stage of the game, Mike. 1000 15 year old newbie "programmers" spewing out 1000 "List" apps does not help Cobalt. What Cobalt needed was an impressive set of Cobalt-only apps from the big guys like Tealpoint, Dataviz, Opera, Pimlico, etc. with features that blow PalmOS 5 versions out of the water. Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: Impressive BUT...Timothy Rapson @ 4/9/2005 8:37:57 AM #
RE, "What Cobalt needed was an impressive set of Cobalt-only apps from the big guys like Tealpoint, Dataviz, Opera, Pimlico, etc. with features that blow PalmOS 5 versions out of the water." That sure would help. Regarding your other points against what I posted. Yes, Garnet can do most of what is needed, especially with the right helps. But, it needs a standard way to do it and it needed this 1-2 years ago. Multi-tasking has always been sort of possible with HackMaster. But, what about the crashes? Native file formats have been possible with some photo programs and Docs-to-go. DTG crashes on my Zire 72 as often as it runs properly. You cant' cut and paste properly. You wait and wait for proper screen support of Virtual Grafitti with FITALY or other programs because Palm OS 5 doesn't do it natively, and Sony does (or did) it one way while PalmOne did it another way. We needed Cobalt 1-2 years ago, especially for a multimedia powerhouse like the LifeDrive would be with it. Alas. RE: Impressive BUT...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/9/2005 3:35:13 PM #
I agree - A stable Cobalt (or at least a fully debugged PalmOS 5) was needed 1 or 2 years ago. At this point I think it's too late to matter.
HackMaster was always the least stable of the hack managers. EVPlugBase, TealMaster and X-Master are all better. YAHM is also reportedly better. Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
I hope this is real!
Best PDA PalmOne has come up with in years. Hope it's real... Hope I can buy it some time in the next month. RE: I hope this is real!kevinbgood @ 4/5/2005 10:24:30 PM #
The Life Drive will not release until June of this year. Addicted to Palm RE: I hope this is real!
Maybe sooner - if you're a doctor - according to this article... http://tapland.com/news_arc/?id=628 RE: I hope this is real!
Nevermind. I just read the post that says that this was an April Fool's joke. I believed it!
Nice, but..
Do you remmember ipaq 5555? Big and dual wireless. Not popular. ipaq 4150 - small and dual wireless. Hugely popular until almost year later. what makes this device big, I cannot understand. 4Gb is small sized for sure. WiFi chip is very small right now. Hope it's battery 2880mA =)) Than it's worth it.
What it probably WON'T have
New alarm sounds. Customizable alarm sounds. Ah, palmOne!
Everything else is exciting...
Kickstart My Heart
When I get high I get high on speed Top fuel funny car's A drug for me My heart, my heart Always got the cops My heart, my heart Ooh, are you ready girls ? Ooh, yeh Skydive naked My heart, my heart Say I got trouble My heart, my heart RE: Kickstart My Heart
I think the last thing I expected to see here -ever- was Crue lyrics. Does this denote an elevated level of pre-pubescent excitement? Palminfocenter is circling the bowl one last time on its way to the septic tank of history... RE: Kickstart My Heart
The strain of that T5 encounter has been too much for Gekko. He's finally cracked. Call the white coats to take him away. Next victim!
LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizerender wiggins @ 4/5/2005 10:23:52 PM #
I read at another PDA site that the LifeDrive is targeted at Doctors who need to carry around very large databases, such as medical and drug dictionaries, patient histories, x-ray scans, MRI scans, etc. That is the main purpose for the 4GB microdrive. It also explains why the formfactor is so large. Doctors don't mind carrying this on their rounds in a hospital, instead of a bunch of books, files, x-rays, charts, etc. The name LifeDrive comes from Pfizer's internally published magazine. Can someone who works at Pfizer confirm this? The first batch of LifeDrives will be sold initially to Doctors only in May with a consumer rollout in June. I'm guessing Pfizer will hand these out as free prizes to any Doctor who prescribes a certain quantity of Pfizer drugs :) That being said, not being in the medical field, I want one of these puppies for its large screen. If its good enough for viewing a brain scan, than just think about the multimedia capabilities of this screen. The 4GB microdrive will act in replacing a 4GB ipod mini. Bottom line, for a $500-$549 device, RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
You guys correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Pfizer article was an April Fools joke. Besides, I'm a med student with tons of clinical and drug databases on my Palm, and there's just no way you need 4gb for that stuff. In fact I would challenge anyone to use even a quarter of that without resorting to illegal downloads. Each of the drug/clinical databases averages 8-10 MB in size. No, if the 4gb design is true, it's designed with audio and video in mind, not ePocrates, et al. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
The pfizer thing was an April Fool's joke. But I wouldn't discount the device's use by medical professionals, especially given the volume of information that they carry around and access on SD cards in their PDAs. -P-A-T-C-H-W-O-R-K- A Trini Palm Nut III - IIIe - IIIx - M500 - T|T - ?? Come visit Trinidad & Tobago at RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
as a medical student, what i discovered is that we are NOT allowed to carry books around. at least that's how the brits' system works. (may be apart from MIMs and ONE medicine-in-pocket or medical-examination-in-pocket) and they're about the same size as a T5 anyway charts, xrays, well yeah, that will take the whole hospital to migrate the system to electronic, think about it, then comes the confidentiality and data access rights debate...
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carrrying books around will make a doc look like a paramedic don't u think? and everyone can be a doc now with emedicine.com and google lol so to differentiate that, docs should have the stuff in their brain (most most most of the time, that's why it's tough), and should go somewhere else to do the reading not in situ :) RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
My point was that even if a student or doc tried to fill 4gb with Palm software, they would be very hard pressed to do so. For someone not in the field it seems like they need a lot of space, but the databases end up using a fraction of the space of a typical MP3 collection. People in the medical profession will enjoy the LifeDrive, but not cause they need the space for drug databases. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
E Ben; Having this much space availiable make be the persusaion needed for publishers of medical references to create content that would fill that much space. Granted, I cannot see a totally illustrated dictionary of anatomy but if someone would take the time to make it palm-able, then why not have it. Nothing like references in your pocket. I have gone far beyond thinking my doc knows everything and appreciate when they say they will get back to me and then whips out a PDA to remind him to send me and email. That speaks better to me about their integrity than just wheeling off and answer that may or may not be right. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
Doctors will be all over this thing. Puhleeze. About two years ago a med student was forced to buy an iPaq because the medware she was going to used required a Microdrive, it was so massive a reference. The only other unit that could do that at the time was the HandEra unit -- and I think it was no longer in stores. There are radiologists carrying patient *x-rays* in iPods. Wake up! RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
I guess this is just a difference of perspective. I'm not saying that doctors won't like the LifeDrive - they will. And I'm not saying that doctors shouldn't use references, they certainly should. What I'm saying is that I don't see this market segment pushing the development of the LifeDrive - it's just a silly April Fools joke. The references out there just don't take up that much space. Name me one. Name me the reference that girl needed a microdrive for. I could be wrong, and I would love to know. But if it makes you feel better thinking your doc needs 4gb of references, fine. As far as X-rays go, I'm not a radiologist and I haven't heard about the need to carry them in a handheld. Seems to me X-rays are hard enough to read from film, so I don't see why you would put one in a handheld. But I would love to see a link describing doctors putting them in PDAs or iPods That would be interesting. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
I think it's just a coincidence that Pfizer's magazine happens to be called LifeDrive. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
>>>The references out there just don't take up that much space. Name me one. Name me the reference that girl needed a microdrive for. I could be wrong, and I would love to know. But if it makes you feel better thinking your doc needs 4gb of references, fine. Try swinging your pathetic dick elsewhere, pal: >>>Pocket PC requirements: -- at that time, the MicroDrive was the only solution. No 1GB CFs then. Radiologists and iPods: Next sneering eejit! RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
Well, you were right. Thanks for the informative, if unnesessarily harsh, reply. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
You sneered, you got that. When I mention something, I'm not telling tales. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
Regardless, that bit about the iPods was interesting. Time to take this Cane character down a notchThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/6/2005 11:19:17 PM #
>>>The references out there just don't take up that much space. Name me one. Name me the reference that girl needed a microdrive for. I could be wrong, and I would love to know. But if it makes you feel better thinking your doc needs 4gb of references, fine. Try swinging your pathetic dick elsewhere, pal: >>>Pocket PC requirements: -- at that time, the MicroDrive was the only solution. No 1GB CFs then. Radiologists and iPods: Next sneering eejit! "Try swinging your pathetic dick elsewhere, pal". Good Lord! At least he has one. Are you ENVIOUS, Mikey? But you are partially correct: If you've got the cash, the Skyscape apps, PEPID, etc. can quickly add up in terms of memory usage. Only problem is that most medical professionals only carry one or two big reference apps (usually between 1 - 5 MB size) on their Palms. Very few people (besides warez-trading, cash-starved med students) carry more than four or five of these references, so 4 GB is overkill for a devive intended strictly as a Peripheral Brain. Secondly, no REAL Radiologist would seriously consider using a little PDA for reading films. That's what God created 21" flatscreens for. Proof of concept does not equal a compelling reason to do something. You could probably commute to work on a skateboard. But tht doesn't make it a good idea. Don't give up your day job (the newspaper route), Cane.
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RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizerrcartwright @ 4/7/2005 12:44:43 AM #
VOR, I know that rude is your style, and mikecane won't be asked to head any diplomatic missions any decade soon, bur at least cane does his research. Had you bothered to talk to any medical professionals, you might have found out that while the big high res screen is good, a lot of radiologists (particularly when on call) lust for something that they can use to download a digital image and do a quick review. The nice thing about digital, is that the area in question can be zoomed in on and can be used with a small screen. My source tells me that he carries a laptop when he goes out and its saved a few trips to the hospital. He had heard about the Life Drive and was asking about it. He would love something like this. He thought the Tapwave article could actually be real, because its just like how the drug whores...er reps do things. Who's your Daddy? Say it!The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 2:45:12 AM #
If you knew anything about Radiology you'd know how funny this is. Any Radiologist dumb enough to make a call based on an image on a 240 x 320 screen deserves to have their a$$ sued out of the profession. And "zooming in" on a low res, tiny image is useless. Think how crisp a camcorder image is when you've gone up to 100 x digital zoom. Real pretty, right? Now would you want your Radiologist, Dr. Ray X making the call on your subdurals based on those low res JPEGs the tech emailed to his PPC so Good Ole Ray didn't have to drag his fat, lazy a$$ down to the hospital? In any event, these days any Radiologist besides those working in somewhere like Backwoods, Arkansas should have remote access to secure images on their desktop or laptop from home.
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What he *really* meant to type was "Professionally Medicated." RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizerrcartwright @ 4/7/2005 3:26:17 PM #
VOR, Since I am not the spawn of some Level 4 genetic recombination gone wrong, YOU are not my dad. As for the professional smear on my friend, if the foam from your mouth had not obscured your vision, you would have noted its a quick review, not a critical complex review. You are quite right about the home set up he has. It looks like the bridge of the Enterprise-G. The laptop is when he is out with his family or otherwise having a life (you really ought to try one). Sometime all he has to do is to confirm a simple fracture or the like. By the way, since you are apparently a professional investor, electrical engineer, software developer, writer, industural designer, accountant and now medical professional, I was curious as to where you graduated from? The sad part is that the good points you make are overwhelmed by your mean sprited presentation. RE: LifeDrive Targeted at Doctors and Co-Branded by Pfizer
>>>By the way, since you are apparently a professional investor, electrical engineer, software developer, writer, industural designer, accountant and now medical professional, I was curious as to where you graduated from?
HA! I'm glad someone else is noticing. The guy (and I use that term generically) is a real Jerk Of All Trades. Oh, don't forget his BDSM expertise. I guess that also makes him a Jerk OFF Of All Trades.
32MB
Note: The T5 also has 32MB of RAM that sits in front of the 160 MB of Flash memory (or was it only 16, I'm not sure). This new device will have 32MB of RAM sitting in from of a 4GB Hard Drive. LifeDrive
Ah, as I thought. "Life Drive" is the name of a feature, not the name of the device. "LifeDrive: File Transfer, Drive Mode, FolderSync." RE: LiveDrive new pictures
The T5 has ~64 MB in front of the 160 MB of Flash (actually 55 Mb discouting installed OS and applications) RE: LiveDrive new pictures
I saw that URL yesterday but it did NOT have the items at the bottom. They've recently added that. What's this about "improved fast scrolling"? What does THAT mean?! And does Acrobat mean the same software we've had to put up with all this time -- or a better version? That File Transfer shot shows a *T5* connection. And what kind of codec are they using to fit 4 movies on the HD? RE: LiveDrive new pictures
mikecane: 1: ..."improved fast scrolling"? What does THAT mean?! 2: That File Transfer shot shows a *T5* connection. 3: And what kind of codec are they using to fit 4 movies on the HD? --- 2. The UserID for the device may have been 'Tungsten T5' - they may have wanted to use/test some software that they had licensed to that name. (Or just to hide the real name from us!) 3. Using Kinoma, I can load a complete movie in only 400Mb -Chris "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" RE: LiveDrive new pictures
Chris, Does Kinoma actually play movies in full resolution and on the full screen? My what a pathetic joke that v2x was. Make the awesome HVGA screens look like an m130 with about 40% of the real estate wasted for their idiotic controls. Why not allow it to run full screen? Maybe v3 fixes? RE: LiveDrive new pictures
Chris: >>>1. Does this mean that I no longer need ScrollBar5 to make scrolling via the scrollbar usable? -- that's what I was wondering too. 3. Using Kinoma, I can load a complete movie in only 400Mb -- if p1 is counting on the Average Joe sitting there and having to *convert* their home movies and the like, forget it! Sony thought people would do that. Look at what happened to the CLIE! This had better play MPEG and DiVXed AVI out of the box. RE: LiveDrive new pictures
Yes, using landscape screan to view widescreen movies would be nice, with hidden controls.
On a 320x320 square screen, I don't mind it being letterboxed, just select black background to hide controls. I too would like native DivX, but I already fill my 1gig SD and my 64Mb even without 700MB DivX movies. Kinoma's not perfect, but it can work in a pinch until somebody does it right. But even with 700MB DivX files, it is still easy to get over 4 movies in 4Gigs of avail memory. -Chris
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32MB RAM
1. Is the 4GB NVFS or HD? 2. How does my PIM data be seamlessly accessed yet reside on the 4GB? I ask this because on the T5, you can't store/access PIM data on the "Internal". Maybe with updated PIM apps they are smart enough to look at the 4GB? 3. I hope the 32MB is *REAL* RAM. 4. I hope they fixed the 8-limit-Find Bug. 5. I hope I can get G1 in some incarnation. RE: 32MB RAM
1. Is the 4GB NVFS or HD? >> probably HD because its cheaper for the moment 2. How does my PIM data be seamlessly accessed yet reside on the 4GB? I ask this because on the T5, you can't store/access PIM data on the "Internal". Maybe with updated PIM apps they are smart enough to look at the 4GB? 4. I hope they fixed the 8-limit-Find Bug. 5. I hope I can get G1 in some incarnation. RE: 32MB RAM
G1 is only dead because of the limp-wristed POS user base & developer community. How strange that there are renegade developers out there trying to skirt the law constantly with various console emulators yet no one can even be bothered to hack the G1 libraries for newer OS5 devices? Tragic!! That right there is almost enough to push me into the PPC camp. Almost. Until then, I'll keep b!tching and moaning and hoping that some enterprising developer can cobble together a reasonable solution for the G1 fans out there. Dvorak keyboards are still an option under modern-day Windows. Dvorak keyboards can still be purchased through the right channels. Why does no such option exist for a G1 plugin?? Ryan, please start a PIC petition/drive/fund a PayPal jackpot to entice someone to do the above. Gekko and I will gladly chip in for it! RE: 32MB RAM
hkklife; Why dont you make the program yourself, or put some type of bounty up if you dont have the skills or time to do so? That would be motivation to do that right, instead of complaining about it. Personally, I like G2, it fixed my non-palm writing to make it more legible again. I had way too many people asking what a ^ was when i meant to put an 'a' there. RE: 32MB RAM
G2 is the Handiwork of Satan. Get yourself right with God, twizza. You are falling into infidelism! RE: 32MB RAM
2. How does my PIM data be seamlessly accessed yet reside on the 4GB? I ask this because on the T5, you can't store/access PIM data on the "Internal". Maybe with updated PIM apps they are smart enough to look at the 4GB? >> would be a great idea, but why? Why? Because my PIM data is growing exponentially. I have 3,235 Contacts, 4,211 Calendar Events, and 1,147 Memos (lots are big 32k each). I don't want to be squeezed into (32MB = 27MB Usable minus 4MB Heap minus 4MB for OS minus 4MB ROM Apps = 15MB FREE!!!) And if it's Satan's NVFS I'm really screwed. And if you can place PIM data on the HD - how FAST will the access be? If it's slow - I don't want it! I don't want a delay to look up a friggin phone number! And what about FIND? Will the Find be terribly slow searching through 4GB or will it be a "Smart" find? Is this Palm OS 5.4 the same as in Satan's T5??? RE: 32MB RAM
I have a sick feeling that the 32MB RAM will be just like Satan's phone - the Treo 650 - which has 32MB of ***NVFS*** RAM!!!!!!!!!! RE: 32MB RAMgfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:19:13 AM #
Well, here is how the memory architecture of the T5 is organized: Tunsgten T5: RAM (Total Size = 32MB) I assume the compressed Rom of the Life Drive would be different, but both the total Ram size and dynamic heap/storage heap should be the same (assuming the device is listed as have "63 MB" ram). The 4GB could be either Nand or HD... I don't think it matters as far as the NVFS architecture. Afterall that is the whole point of NVFS is that the device used for storage need not be NAND flash and could just as easily be a hard drive... -------------------- RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko; I understand. Man, you have a ton o' contacts. And here I thuoght I was bad; but i backup and purge three times a year so I guess thats where I miss out. MC; RE: 32MB RAM
Twizza, perhaps you've missed my previous comments. I am not a PROGRAMMER. I am a USER. I've already offered $50 as an initial contribution to the PIC fund and if someone would take the concept seriously, I'd gladly kick in more. Otherwise, I shall continue preaching until someone with the means & skills to do so takes the initiative. I imagine if this was something that the community cared about (much like the Clie CF memory card driver, Treo 650 wi-fi card driver) this would not be an issue. I am glad---nay, OVERJOYED--that so many of you out there like & can accept Graffiti 2. I cannot and will not until at the very least, P1 gives us an outright statement on G1 being EOL and/or their nefarious reasons for abandoning their standard input method for seven years. We should STILL be offered a choice. Anything else is inexcusable on P1's part. SO...if you want myself, MC, Gekko, VoR et al to stop b!tching about G2, then go and find us a developer who will make a legit stab at it and not just run off with the bounty. For starters, how about Ryan getting started with a petition on PIC? RE: 32MB RAMgfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:27:36 AM #
>>>>And if you can place PIM data on the HD - how FAST will the access be? If it's slow - I don't want it! I don't want a delay to look up a friggin phone number! And what about FIND? Will the Find be terribly slow searching through 4GB or will it be a "Smart" find?
What I would really like to see is a Rom update for the T5 similar to the one for the Treo 650 that reduces the overhead of NVFS. Perhaps, PalmOne doesn't think it is as necessary for the T5 b/c of the larger Nand, but I think it would be foolish if they didn't provide the update for T5 users as well... -------------------- RE: 32MB RAM
I like this "historical perspective" - "I've got about 450 (Contacts). I could probably delete 50 without much thought. But one of the advantages of keeping this kind of data in a database is the historical perspective. Just because I don't contact someone today, doesn't mean I won't want to look them up next month, or next year. The ability to answer questions like "Who was that guy I talked to about the wireless security software last year?" or "What was the number of that good looking soccer mom from my son's team last spring?" can be invaluable, even if I haven't talked to the person recently." http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=63450 RE: 32MB RAMgfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 11:34:38 AM #
>>>>I cannot and will not until at the very least, P1 gives us an outright statement on G1 being EOL and/or their nefarious reasons for abandoning their standard input method for seven years. We should STILL be offered a choice. Anything else is inexcusable on P1's part. If you recall, Palmone abandoned G1 during the unistrokes patent litigation with Xerox Corp. The eventually won the case, but had already decided to adopt G2 prior to the final ruling. I would assume the PalmOne could revert back to G1 if they really wanted to, but I doubt they would since G2 is probably viewed as closer to real HWR script. Besides, the only people who really care about G1 are old time palmos users, not most of the new users PalmOne is trying to court. Also, you should checkout Tealscript etc if you really want G1-like functionality. -------------------- RE: 32MB RAM
gfunk - because 32MB RAM minus non-usable may not be enough for all my future PIM data plus apps that must remain in RAM. So Why not have the built in PIM apps be "4GB Drive AWARE"????????? this isnt rocket science. RE: 32MB RAM
What is the access time for micro harddrives? I've heard its about 22.5 ms...?? I believe flash memory access time is about 3.8~4.2 ms... RE: 32MB RAM
The 32MB will be RAM, invisible to the user, just like the T5. The OS is Garnet 5.4, like the T5. PalmOne has probably figured out how to duplicate Tapwave's trick of making RAM look like VFS, but in reverse. The 4GB drive will be treated like the 55MB NVFS partition is used on the T5: as system "RAM". As far as G1 goes, either get TealScript or quit living in the past. RE: 32MB RAMgfunkmagic @ 4/6/2005 12:54:43 PM #
>>>>gfunk - because 32MB RAM minus non-usable may not be enough for all my future PIM data plus apps that must remain in RAM. So Why not have the built in PIM apps be "4GB Drive AWARE"????????? this isnt rocket science.
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gfunk - aha! thanks for the clraification. I am a businessman and not a technician/geek so I only know enough to be dangerous! Well I guess the only question will be speed/performance. Hopefully with the 400Mhz Processor and a possibly improved setup, the T6/7/2005 will not have the performance issues of the T5. The T5 issues I hope don't show up on the T6/7/2005: 1. Screen Flicker on Status Bar. there's probably more........ RE: 32MB RAM
Gfunk; Thanks for the info & advice. I'll just go on record again as saying that I struggled with TealScript for many weeks trying to get it to mimic G1 PRECISELY as it was on my T|T. It's still NOT the same--speed & accuracy both suffer in side-to-side comparisons. It wouldn't hurt P1 a BIT to offer a legacy, 100% legit, G1 plug-in on their website (totally unsupported past their README file, of course) just as a token bone of appreciation to their longtime loyal users. Jeff; It's a good thing PalmSource didn't hire you. With that type of shortsighted ignorance ("G2 is newer, so it's automatically better"), their eulogy would be written even sooner that anyone expected. Using that logic, a PPC user could tell you to give up your website as the golden age of Palm is long past as well. Your fanatical zeal with the lameduck T5 & NVFS obviously extends to Graffiti 2 as well. Just because I prefer to listen to my worldband radio, does that mean I live in the past or am somehow worse off than someone with a fancy new XM receiver? Graffiti 1 is intuitive, fast, accurate, and works on a nearly subconscious level if you spend enough time with it. I have used it faithfully from 1996-present so I like to think that I am fairly comfortable with it. MS Bob was more natural for first-time PC owners but you don't see it still for sale today,do you? Yet if it WERE still marketed by MS, I wouldn't be moaning in the slightest about it. Just as long as customers are offered a choice! P1's blatant disregard for G1 & users of Pilots since the beginning is frighteningly analogous to the cell phone carriers not offering their high-volume, longterm customers any of the deals they offer new signups. In the end, punishing customer loyalty will come back to haunt everyone mentioned above. RE: 32MB RAM
GFunk, Where in the World(wide web) have you been? I thot you had left us for that TreoCentral mistress or something. RE: 32MB RAM
>>>I have ... and 1,147 Memos (lots are big 32k each) Piffle. 3,010 Memos. Menu->Info = 15708K MemosDB. And *you're* worried about the LD "RAM" area? We went over this in the Forums, but I guess your drunken stupors are again blighting your biological RAM cache... RE: 32MB RAM
I don't think Jeff said G2 is better than G1. He just said stop living in the past...cause it's dead and aint coming back. RE: 32MB RAMTimothy Rapson @ 4/6/2005 9:17:45 PM #
32 MB RAM is not enough. I have that on my Zire 71 and get out of memory errors and can't load my nice Adobe world map. Even with 15 MB free. This is unacceptable. I can't keep my modest number of apps on the card (or in the case of the LifeDrive the HD) because they won't sync and won't run quickly. Better have 64 MB. There is no reasonable excuse for PalmOne and PalmSource not offering a way for users to run G1, none. I simply cannot get G2 to work at a speed that makes it worthwhile. Now, I use FITALY anyway, but POS is making a huge mistake in keeping G1 on shelf. RE: 32MB RAM
THANK YOU for someone finally agreeing with me aside from the usual gang o' b!tchy curmudgeons like myself here on PIC. G1 is simply efficient and, even if a minority of diehard POS users prefer it over G2, the choice still needs to be offered by SOMEONE. I'd like to see Jeff Kirvin tell some of the teeming masses of Sinclair, Commodore, Amiga, Newton, Atari 8-bit etc etc. fans out there who keep the flame alive for their respective platforms to "stop living in the past". RE: 32MB RAM
Hkklife, get a life, willya? Graffiti 1 is dead. Period. Yes, it was great, I loved it too, but it's DEAD! The Xerox lawsuit killed it, end of story. Get over it and move on. The Xerox case is tied up in appeals and no one is going to go near the original Graffiti ever, ever again. You're howling at the moon, man! Live in the now! Wake up, sheeple, Elvis has left the building! RE: 32MB RAM
Gekko spewed thus, referring to T5 issues he hopes the LifeDrive won't have... > 1. Screen Flicker on Status Bar. Never seen this. Not once. And I use my T5 every damn day. > 2. 8-Limit Find Bug Get over it. If you've got so much bloody money, take PalmOne's advice and shut up. > 3. Calendar Bug Dude, this has already been fixed in the T5 via a ROM update, but thank you for playing anyway. > 4. Dialog Bug Box overlay Okay, yeah, this I can agree with. > 5. Infinite Reset Loop Que? > 6. 30+ second soft resets Good luck. The reset time is due to NVFS, and the fact that the Palm now has to boot up very much like your PC. If anything, the LD will be slower because the hard drive access time will be a bit slower than the Flash in the T5. > 7. 2 minute+ hard resets Again, if you're hard resetting the device, is time really your biggest issue? It's going to take a lot longer still to do the restore. Gekko, you just complain to hear yourself talk. Next you'll be bitching about how oxygen is corrosive and we should just get it all out of the atmosphere. > 8. Tealscript not 100% compatibiltty Que? I've tested it and it works fine on my T5. I'll stick with G2, though, just to honk off you and Hkklife... > 9. Progressively slow performance the more RECORDS you have. (The geeks and the kids with only 20 contacts/events/memos have NO FRIGGIN CLUE what I'm talking about) REMEMBER PEOPLE - this is a PIM/PDA first! This is true of any system. See point 7, and shut up. > 10. cheap build Matter of opinion. I love the fit and finish of my T5, but I'm not looking for something to bitch about so other people will think I'm all smart and stuff. > 11. no cradle IF they're only going to include one or the other, a cable is more practical given drive mode. Not that I expect to sway you with logic. Or for that matter, facts. > 12. poor compatibility with older apps Only the ones that are written poorly to begin with. I don't think it's really fair to hold PalmOne accountable for other people's bugs, do you? Of course you do, because it gives you ranting fodder. Graffiti 2 sucks. Big time.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/7/2005 12:13:53 AM #
hkklife: Ignore that dumba$$ Kirvin. His opinion means even less than Mike Cane's. I'll match your $50 pledge for the first developer to hack the G1 libraries to work seamlessly with later versions of PalmOS 5. While it might be nice to have Ryan host the petition here at PIC, Palm might not appreciate that and then threaten to pull advertising $$$ from the site. Especially since we'll never see a "legal" version of G1 again. Thanks, Xerox. TealScript crashed my UX50 so badly I was afraid the screen would get cracked. Never again. First Tealpoint app I've EVER had problems with. In over 5 years. (By the way, Teal absolutely ROCKS as a developer - these guys are as usually as solid as it gets.) Now I've gotta check if the old G1 libraries will work on the VZ90... Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' hig |
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