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palmOne has announced today the creation of a new category of mobile-computing products – the mobile manager. The first product in this category is expected to be announced later this month. The new line is targeted towards a growing number of people that want access to greater volumes of digital business, personal, entertainment and online content.
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Palm's 2nd wind

scellis @ 5/9/2005 12:35:06 AM # Q
Here comes LifeDrive! palmOne may yet save me from ensnarement by the Dark Side.

RE: Palm's 2nd wind = flatulence
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/9/2005 9:52:41 PM # Q
HA.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: Palm's 2nd wind
LiveFaith @ 5/10/2005 10:12:26 AM # Q
It's Photoshop! :-D

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Yawn.

AdamaDBrown @ 5/9/2005 12:55:07 AM # Q
What was that noise? Oh--that was any remaining miniscule amount of suspense flying out the window.

RE: Yawn.
LiveFaith @ 5/10/2005 1:40:26 PM # Q
Adam,

What exactly is it that would keep you awake?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Yawn.
AdamaDBrown @ 5/10/2005 6:12:50 PM # Q
I just find it kind of silly on P1's part that they're trying to drum up suspense when the torrent of leaks have quite clearly let the horse out of the barn.

RE: Yawn.
fermi337 @ 5/10/2005 6:48:18 PM # Q
I doubt palmone even knows that there are rumors of this circulating.

RE: Yawn.
AdamaDBrown @ 5/10/2005 8:27:43 PM # Q
Oh, they're very aware, just totally unable to do anything about it.

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P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive

Surur @ 5/9/2005 2:38:24 AM # Q

Since when do you "manage" your media? Organize maybe, but manage? They are desperate to position the life drive not as a toy for college students (who could not afford many in any case) but as an upgrade for business people.

Unfortunately these are the very same people who think twice about a large thick device which will need a bigger case to protect the screen.

It sounds to me like this device might die from marketing schizophrenia.

Surur

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
InsGuy @ 5/9/2005 10:40:31 AM # Q
"It sounds to me like this device might die from marketing schizophrenia."

I think that a lot of people have already decided NOT to buy this device, for that very reason. It is a neat device, but there is no real clear-cut niche that it seems designed to fit into. It's too big for business users, and too pricey for younger college kids. I just hope that the life drive doesn't turn out to be 'too little too late'. We'll see.

All good things...

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
JSwinden @ 5/9/2005 11:28:14 AM # Q
I keep hearing that the rumored Lifedrive is too big for business use. That is simply not true. When I was at IBM, we had to lug our notebook computers to almost every meeting. At 6+ pounds and definately too big to place in your pocket, this was a definate inconvenience. PDAs at that time (and still today) did not have the ability to replace the notebook computer in such meetings. I think the Lifedrive will be small enough and light weight enough to fit in a shirt pocket. Now if it has the ability to easily store and use business type files, like PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Project, etc., then it would be a godsend to a lot of business people, myself included. However, it will have to have the capability to easily connect to a LAN (required for many business meetings), and be able to instantly exchange information and data with other Lifedrives and with PCs. Costly addons to achieve these goals will kill it.

Thanks,

Jack Swinden

See my PDA themes and skins at: www.JackSwinden.com

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
ackmondual @ 5/9/2005 5:48:51 PM # Q
I'm not so sure... i think this would be practical for college students. The price certainly ain't ideal, but they still buy mid level PDAs (PPC and Palm) and ipods. Those who have the cash to spend will have a hybrid ipod and PDA device with BT+wifi.

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RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
svrontis @ 5/12/2005 12:21:45 AM # Q
> It sounds to me like this device might die from marketing schizophrenia.

Fortunately, there is no confusion over the Loox 720 - it's an unmitigated piece of garbage.

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Surur @ 5/12/2005 2:38:06 AM # Q
svrontis said
Fortunately, there is no confusion over the Loox 720 - it's an unmitigated piece of garbage.

I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with that device. Some people find using PalmOS dumbs them down so much they cant handle the switch to another OS, especially the concept of running two programs at the same time. Usually people have to be pretty dumb already to be vulnerable to this insidious phenomena. You many be stuck forever on your sinking platform. Good luck using the only brick with built-in WIFI and bluetooth being sold by P1 at the moment.

Oh sorry, its not being sold yet. Keep on waiting then. Thats what Palmistas are good at apparently.

Surur



RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
svrontis @ 5/12/2005 5:06:45 AM # Q
> Some people find using PalmOS dumbs them down so much they cant handle the switch to another OS, especially the concept of running two programs at the same time.

Your response is just so typical with what we have come expect from you - misleading and insulting.

Multi-tasking is not neeeded for any of the things that I use my palmpilot for. Why? Because it switches from one program to another (and back again) in a flash - so it's almost as if two programs are running at once. In doing so, it doesn't tie up system resources, so the application which is running does just that - it runs without interference from other 'open' applications.

Contrast that with WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever devices. Sure you can run more than one app at once, but after you have couple running in the background, this slows down the whole system. (One of the more popular PPC hacks is used to 'close' programs to prevent them from continuing to run in the background - NB this means that people are spending good money to prevent multi-tasking where it is not needed!)

In addition, multi-tasking adds another layer of complexity, which inevitably means that you need a faster processor just to achieve reasonable performance. A faster processor typically means that you need a bigger battery. All this adds to the cost of the device.

I accept that 'power users' may want multi-tasking sometimes (eg, when surfing the web they may want to switch to another app without interrupting the web connection). However, for me, multi-tasking is more of a burden than a benefit.

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Surur @ 5/12/2005 5:56:14 AM # Q

I think its pretty rich accusing me of being misleading and insulting when you call my pocketpc an "unmitigated piece of garbage" with no explanation or justification at all.

Regarding multi-tasking, just say P1 does not build for power users anymore (or ever) and be done with it.

Surur

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
mikecane @ 5/12/2005 10:41:03 AM # Q
Surur the Whore: WTF are you doing here? Did Dunn and his Dunnites kick you out of their little circle jerk? Or is it that you're even *more* pathetic in their clique than you are here? Post an URL to show me the PalmOS user equivalent of *you* on a PPC site. You can't do it. Only you PPC weenies like to spread out like a bad infection.

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Surur @ 5/12/2005 10:50:48 AM # Q
Post an URL to show me the PalmOS user equivalent of *you* on a PPC site. You can't do it.

Now mike, you should know better than to give me a google challenge.

The new Palm T3 has THREE times the resolution of any PPC???

I am glad to see so many PPC users waking up to the reality that PPC was doomed from its inception.

I went to the Handspring launch party in San Francisco yesterday and all I can say is that once they add a 320x320 and or a 320x480 screen to the Treo line the game will be completely over for M$.

Bottom line is M$ is getting smoked badly!!!

I have been predicting this moment for years and Jason Dunn would always try to discount what I was saying. Jason, I think you should think about PalmThoughts.com

Scott: thanks for the Props. I rest my case your honor.

CASE Closed. (No Pun Intended)

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/for...&highlight=jake


http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=168532&highlight=#168532

As to what I'm doing here, I'm spectating over the demise of PalmOs. Its all the more enjoyable because of all the years of hearing Palmistas claiming their dominance of the market was unassailable, and how no-one would want a computer in their pocket.

Now for my next trick I will reveal the identity of RhinoSteve.....

Surur

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Surur @ 5/12/2005 10:59:23 AM # Q
Once more with better formatting:

MikeCane said

Post an URL to show me the PalmOS user equivalent of *you* on a PPC site. You can't do it.

Now mike, you should know better than to give me a google challenge.

The new Palm T3 has THREE times the resolution of any PPC???

I am glad to see so many PPC users waking up to the reality that PPC was doomed from its inception.

I went to the Handspring launch party in San Francisco yesterday and all I can say is that once they add a 320x320 and or a 320x480 screen to the Treo line the game will be completely over for M$.

Bottom line is M$ is getting smoked badly!!!

I have been predicting this moment for years and Jason Dunn would always try to discount what I was saying. Jason, I think you should think about PalmThoughts.com

Scott: thanks for the Props. I rest my case your honor.

CASE Closed. (No Pun Intended)

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/for...&highlight=jake

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=168532&highlight=#168532

Of course posts like this has stopped when MS outshipped PalmSource early 2004. These days MS ships twice as much WM licenses than PalmSource does POS licenses, and the PalmOS market is shrinking. A troll like that would look pretty deluded to claim that "PPC was doomed from inception"

As to what I'm doing here, I'm spectating over the demise of PalmOs. Its all the more enjoyable because of all the years of hearing Palmistas claiming their dominance of the market was unassailable, and how no-one would want a computer in their pocket.

Now for my next trick I will reveal the identity of RhinoSteve.....

Surur



RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
mikecane @ 5/12/2005 1:05:45 PM # Q
Good God! And I thought *you* were bad. But you didn't make your point. That guy is an **EX-PPC USER**. Or did you miss that part in his later post in the same thread?

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Surur @ 5/12/2005 1:08:47 PM # Q

And I'm an ex-palm user. For more than a year too. I was browsing the Internet via infra-red using my mobile phone and my trusty Palm IIIe. Clearly however without even a built-in browser it was not the device for me. Anyone who have used PDA's seriously have probably used both.

Anyways, anyone interested in Rhinosteve's identity? I have a cute picture....

Surur

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
mikecane @ 5/12/2005 2:26:22 PM # Q
No more bloody pictures...

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Foo Fighter @ 5/12/2005 4:48:31 PM # Q
We already know RhinoSteve's true identity...

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004WCTD.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

He's spun so many lies and tall tales on this site I can't keep track. Though one of his more memorable (and laughable) claims was that the Tungsten C is one of the hottest selling PDAs on the market, outselling all WiFi equipped Pocket PCs combined. Even Ed Colligan admitted, publically no less, that the TC was a complete failure.

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RE: [Peop1e] desperate for a ... Life ....
twrock @ 5/12/2005 8:07:23 PM # Q
Surur, why are you here? (That much is an honest question on my part.) I have never understood the phenomena of people like you who supposedly have "moved on" but keep coming back. Help me understand please, 'cause I don't get it.

Some of us truly know all the faults and warts of Palm and have so far still chosen to stick around. I've complained about Palm OS and hardware. I've looked at WM and PPC's. But if I ever decide to "move on", you won't find me hanging out here anymore. (Although according to Mike, "you'll be back". Come to think of it, maybe that's why you are here! Mike predicted it!!!)

BubbaSteve: a Palm employee??? Oh dear.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/13/2005 3:01:38 AM # Q
We already know RhinoSteve's true identity...

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004WCTD.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

He's spun so many lies and tall tales on this site I can't keep track. Though one of his more memorable (and laughable) claims was that the Tungsten C is one of the hottest selling PDAs on the market, outselling all WiFi equipped Pocket PCs combined. Even Ed Colligan admitted, publically no less, that the TC was a complete failure.

Has ANYTHING BubbaSteve ever said on Palminfocenter been true? Ever? Ignore the bogus halfwit posting style and focus on what BubbaSteve has said since mysteriously showing up on PIC. Do a Google search for "RhinoSteve" and "Palminfocenter" and the truth soon becomes clear. Someone needs to talk to Michael Mace about this. Right, Mike?

The Art of FUD:

The Art of FUD, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations, when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.

These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.

"All FUD is based on deception."


- Gill Bates, 1984.



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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Say hello to my little friend...

BubbaSteve to be OUTED at last...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/13/2005 3:23:39 AM # Q


Rhinosteve is ......
Surur @ 5/13/2005 6:33:54 AM # Q
I'm surprised there is so little interest in Rhino's identity, considering how he lorded his real world superiority over everyone here. This is a man who's life philosophy is that your opinion is only as valuable as the size of your bank balance. I wonder how well his business is doing these days.

So.. for your enlightenment and entertainment...

Who is RhinoSteve?


Brownie points for everyone who identifies all the other execs.

Surur

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Bring me the head of Steve Ballmer
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/13/2005 11:11:57 PM # Q






Reward offered.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

Rhinosteve is....
Surur @ 5/14/2005 6:47:37 AM # Q
I was going to draw it out a bit longer, but due to general lack of interest....


Really famous, isn't he...

Surur


RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
SeldomVisitor @ 5/14/2005 8:55:44 AM # Q
I know this may appear to be irreverant but...uh...why am I supposed to care who any poster at all is?

I read posts, not posters.

Sheesh.

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Surur @ 5/14/2005 9:38:24 AM # Q

When some-one constantly uses Arguments From Authority to support their statements, but wont reveal the basis for their supposed expertise, it helps to know who they are.

Simple really.

Surur

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
mikecane @ 5/14/2005 11:45:39 AM # Q
I've seen that face before. Somewhere on TV. But I can't think that guy is the same one with the desperate posts done here.

As for the head of Steve Ballmer, I won't even ask what perversions you would visit upon it.

Microsoft's Steve Ballmer dancein like a fool. Just for you.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/14/2005 6:51:52 PM # Q
As for the head of Steve Ballmer, I won't even ask what perversions you would visit upon it.

This coming from a guy that's eternally grateful for receiving "sloppy seconds"? I was going to let you have a turn with the head before I eBay my Ballmer, but now I canged my mind. Maybe if you sit up and beg for Ballmer I might give you a few minutes alone with him next week. Beg, Cane!


Here's a photo of the (still attached) head just to tease you, Cane:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/steve/default.asp


I know you want a piece of that Dancin' Fool, Ballmer. This is possibly the most disturbing video I've ever seen, ANYWHERE. And that's saying a lot:

http://www.ntk.net/media/dancemonkeyboy.mpg


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: [Peop1e] desperate for a ... Life ....
twrock @ 5/15/2005 1:38:05 AM # Q
Yeah, what SeldomVisitor said.

(Apparently some among us haven't yet graduated from the day care center.)

RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
justauser @ 5/15/2005 7:27:52 AM # Q
Wow did I get it wrong. From the hints on the other thread I had him pegged as either; Paul McCartney, Paris Hilton or just some IT professional with a Palm bias...

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It'll All Come Down To Details Now

souterj @ 5/9/2005 4:39:10 AM # Q
Hi All,

My feeling is that the success or failure of LifeDrive now comes down to the finer details...

1) Does it come with a cradle?
2) Does it really have WiFi & Bluetooth?
3) Is it bundled with a native MPEG1/2/4 / DivX player?
4) Is it bundled with an excellent audio player (e.g. NOT RealPlayer) & great photo viewer?
5) Is the screen any good?
6) Does the implementation of the above provide the elusive "Wow Factor" that PalmOne really needs to whip up a new base of users?
7) BATTERY LIFE! (High capacity and/or removable cell)

Also - the issue that everyone is banging on about - SIZE! iPod is not the smallest digital audio player - but it is the one most people aspire to own. If the LifeDrive has been well designed, well built and most crucially is bundled with the right multimedia apps straight out of the box, it deserves to be a big hit.

Get any part of this wrong and your looking at a large, expensive and undesirable chunk of junk and PalmOne will look foolish in a marketplace where multimedia gadgets are rapidly becoming two-a-penny.

So let's see what PalmOne bring to the table and hope that LifeDrive is a more positive move for Palm fans than the rather uninspiring T5.

*** Although I do really wonder if PalmOne have thought carefully enough about the Audio/Video/Picture software bundle though ***

Afterall, what would an iPod be without it's core player/sync/playlist managment software??? Just an expensive USB hard-drive with headphones!


KultiVator (UK)

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Frenchie @ 5/9/2005 8:00:45 AM # Q
I would say yes to all of the things you said above, except the ability to play native Xvid and Divx. I would also like to point you out to TCPMP. This is free and opensource.Just google the name and you will find it.

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
palmhiker @ 5/9/2005 8:45:53 AM # Q
I'm hopeful, but also somewhat pessimistic. palmOne always seems to find a way to screw one or two important things up.

This device could be a big hit IF they get it right. I do believe we will see it for $399 within a couple of months as $499 is outside of what the masses will pay for a handheld these days.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
neilmitchell @ 5/9/2005 10:10:12 AM # Q
...and most importantly of all...DID THEY FIX THE CONTACTS FIND BUG?

Atari-Portolio > HP95LX > HP100LX > HP300LX > HP320LX > Nino300 > Nino500 > HP620LX > Jornada680 > PalmV > Vx > m505 > T|T > T615C > T|T3 > T|E2 > (back to) T|T3

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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
AdamaDBrown @ 5/9/2005 1:11:06 PM # Q
TCPMP is a fine program, I'm sure, but if it's not bundled with the machine when it's sold 99% of people will never have a clue that it exists. It has to work out of the box.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
mikecane @ 5/9/2005 1:15:56 PM # Q
>>>TCPMP is a fine program, I'm sure, but if it's not bundled with the machine when it's sold 99% of people will never have a clue that it exists. It has to work out of the box.

Do you say the same thing about Pocket TV for PPC?

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
UncleRedz @ 5/9/2005 1:17:53 PM # Q
As I see it the Life Drive competes with all the mobile multi media video devices that have increased both in populatirty, availability and maturity. Those work "out of the box" with video and audio and so should the LD, and it should be easy, otherwise it will fail for non-technical persons.

I've always wondered why one should pay about the same amount of money, or more, for a mobile video player when a PDA can do it and much more, that is IF the right applications are installed on the PDA, IF the video is properly encoded, IF you know what you're doing. Maybe the LD can take care of all those IF's?


RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
RhinoSteve @ 5/9/2005 3:05:00 PM # Q
You have that right. While everyone is saying this is "too big." they are compairing it to the wrong type of product. As usual, PalmOne's marketing is targeted toward people that will get real use out of PDAs and not the wankers on this site that just geek over the technology.

If there is a product like "LiveDrive", my guess is this press annoucement is about positioning it against the digital media players that are twice the size of a thicker PDAs. Stuff like the PSP and Creative Media Player are the competitor targets and not your typical PDAs with limited storage.

This will do well. As said by Halston many years ago, "You complained about it, you scoffed it, you laughed at it, you bought it."

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
AdamaDBrown @ 5/9/2005 5:49:15 PM # Q
Do you say the same thing about Pocket TV for PPC?

Where did that come from? Anyway, Windows comes with a video player already, and PocketTV isn't the equal of Core/BetaPlayer. And yes, most people know about it, or won't use it instead of the default app.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
ackmondual @ 5/9/2005 5:55:17 PM # Q
1) Does it come with a cradle?
2) Does it really have WiFi & Bluetooth?
3) Is it bundled with a native MPEG1/2/4 / DivX player?
4) Is it bundled with an excellent audio player (e.g. NOT RealPlayer) & great photo viewer?
5) Is the screen any good?
6) Does the implementation of the above provide the elusive "Wow Factor" that PalmOne really needs to whip up a new base of users?
7) BATTERY LIFE! (High capacity and/or removable cell)

Are u actually asking these or confirming the info, b/c all the info on the LD has pointed out that:

#1 speculation that it woN'T include a cradle... either b/c it can't have one by design, not available yet, or P1 wants to make more $$ off this

#2 is definately there. It's one of the main features

#3 If it's still kinoma, then no and yes as you need to convert to Kinoma format first, so it's not that straightforward. If they just use Palm Media instead, then i think no DIVX is supported

#4 They have AeroPlayer instead of RealOne Player, which i hear the former it bad at all. Palm Media is the app that replaced Palm Photos as well as other apps. This should be good enough for most ppl, and if it isn't for the rest, try a 3rd party alternative.

#5 Palm screens have always been good for mid to high level devices so i have no reason to doubt this one won't be good as well.

#6 don't know. Probably the same pOS interface but jazzed up somewhat since the T5 using os5.4

#7 good battery lief is supposed to be another main feature

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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
AdamaDBrown @ 5/9/2005 6:04:14 PM # Q
Ack. I hate it when I'm typing so fast I jump a word. I meant to say, "most people WON'T know about it."

Steve, does it ever bother you that your incessant cheerleading strips you of credibility? You said the exact same things about the T5. When you refuse to offer balanced discourse, you usually come off as a fanboy.

The whole principle of ignoring the power users and selling only to the mid-range is flawed. Power users are the ones who make recommendations to managers, friends, and family. Power users are the developers who create new programs and compelling solutions. Power users drive a considerable number of sales, not just of the high-end models but also of mid-range and low-end devices.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
AdamaDBrown @ 5/9/2005 6:04:14 PM # Q
Ack. I hate it when I'm typing so fast I jump a word. I meant to say, "most people WON'T know about it."

Steve, does it ever bother you that your incessant cheerleading strips you of credibility? You said the exact same things about the T5. When you refuse to offer balanced discourse, you usually come off as a fanboy.

The whole principle of ignoring the power users and selling only to the mid-range is flawed. Power users are the ones who make recommendations to managers, friends, and family. Power users are the developers who create new programs and compelling solutions. Power users drive a considerable number of sales, not just of the high-end models but also of mid-range and low-end devices.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
RhinoSteve @ 5/9/2005 11:05:25 PM # Q
Adam, you assume that "net cred" on this sewing circle of a posting site matters. Million dollar decisions are not made in newsgroups like this. If anything, this side is good for a couple of laughs and the occasional glace at at the fringe. It is kinda like a weekend in Hollywood to just see what trends are happening and who is still suck here and there.

Oh, and I stick by my word on the T5. If you read what I said, -- not what has been talked about -- most of it came true. The T5 sold well to the market it was intended for (a.k.a. not people that post to sites here.)

So what is next, you going to Spinmaster that M$ actually knows what they are doing in the PDA space? The brick media players they are pushing by proxy is a good example they will never "get it" on anything smaller than a laptop.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
ajay_sutton @ 5/10/2005 9:48:54 AM # Q
Ackmondual pointed out that WiFi (and Bluetooth) are "definately there" as it's one of their main features.

I'd like to point out that WiFi on the E2 was one of the "main features" that drove my decision to buy that plus a WiFi card that I currently cannot use, and P1's making no promises as to when I can.

I understand what P1 is doing with LifeDrive and I can understand and appreciate many facets of the discussion that's been presented here, device size, target market, and so forth. But in some ways it seems to me like P1 fixes "issues" with one device by releasing another.

I'd be grateful for some solid develpopment and some real support from the company. I think their vision is so grand and lofty that they're missing what people are saying our needs are today.

Just my .02 worth...

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
AdamaDBrown @ 5/10/2005 1:53:13 PM # Q
Let's see a show of hands, folks: how many people have you advised on what handheld computer to buy? I can't answer, I've lost count. But over a hundred, certainly. Power users matter, Steve, no matter what sort of elaborate excuse you try to spin around the idea that PalmOne doesn't need to sell products with features.

Do you know one of the biggest reasons that Toshiba was crippled in the U.S. market? They released a model called the e740 that was, while powerful and innovative, also full of bugs. A lot of power users bought the e740, figuring that the bugs could be worked out. Not too long thereafter, Toshiba dumped the e740 and released the e750, identical except for a few minor tweaks, and the newest OS. They did not offer an OS upgrade for the e740--which was expected of them at the time--and they never fixed a lot of the bugs. The early adopters felt so burned that they advised everyone they could to avoid Toshiba models. Toshiba's sales slumped, and when the next OS release came around, they upgraded all their current models in an attempt to bring back the high-end users.

And actually, Steve, if you run the numbers (average selling price, number of Treos sold, TEs sold, Zires sold, etc.) you'll find out that the T5 did rather poorly.

As for Microsoft in the PDA space, they don't actually do much of anything, their licensees do. Kind of like PalmSource, except Microsoft actually delivers on new OSes. Microsoft is well known for firing a lot of shots, like the HD media players, and seeing what actually hits.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Frenchie @ 5/10/2005 4:30:44 PM # Q
It is actually bundled with Pocket Tunes deluxe in the rom.

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
justauser @ 5/10/2005 9:35:58 PM # Q
I've been visiting this site for many years now. I'm amazed how Palm supporters have been relabled as 'cheerleaders' and trolls have now taken on the name 'power-users'.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
RhinoSteve @ 5/10/2005 10:43:51 PM # Q
Justa, you have that right. Success breeds envy and malice. The Palm OS is a perfect example of that. You want something bug free, limit your features and let the third party developer stick their collective necks out. That part of the Palm-way and it has been very successful.

Also, if you want to spin this I honestly believe that there are a bunch of people on the Microsoft cash stream doing their thing here to trash the Palm OS. Yes, they are that desperate to try to gain market share.

I'm still up in the air of VOR is a Microsoft backed black-pr agent or just very sexually frustrated. I honestly don't know. However, I have seen this group get very negative as the Palm community continues to do well as the Win32 Kernal Group at Microsoft still maintains overall control of any OS that is released.

It all comes out of the wash. I'm here for laughs. Some here take this place to seriously to make up for the lack of accord they get in their corporate enviroments -- you all know who you are.

Viva cest la ger!

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Gekko @ 5/10/2005 11:11:37 PM # Q

RhinoNerd - you're delusional.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
justauser @ 5/11/2005 12:10:28 AM # Q
You misunderstand me Rhino. I was noting the fact that Trolls now dominate this site, where previously they were shouted down. I wasn't inferring that the Palm power-user population has migrated to PPC - although I'm sure that's the line all the trolls on this site are pushing. There are more positive (and often more informed) posts regarding Palm on multi-platform sites such as Brighthand - no offense Ryan, this is still my favoured Palm news site.

I don't know that I buy the theory of MS employees invading. Probably more like jilted Clie users attempting to justify their wayward path that has lead them to the dark shores of PPC. In any case; I sure hope the Lifedrive has at least WiFi to shut up that line of complaint.


RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
RhinoSteve @ 5/11/2005 1:24:38 AM # Q
Hey Gekko!

Q: What is the difference between the Psychiatrist and a Con Man?
A: A Con Man only works on comission.

CRITICS ARE NOT TROLLS
Gekko @ 5/11/2005 9:06:24 AM # Q

Dear Apologists - CRITICS ARE NOT TROLLS.



RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
justauser @ 5/11/2005 9:37:38 AM # Q
"An Internet troll is either a person who sends messages on the Internet hoping to entice other users in to angry or fruitless responses, or a message sent by such a person." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

When a person decides the Palm platform is no longer for him/her, this site ceases to be anything but a sounding board for his/her complaints and attempts to justify their decision. They become a troll.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
justauser @ 5/11/2005 9:46:32 AM # Q
I should point out again, the trolls now appear to be the most vocal on this site so it seems that the roles are reversed. As a result, I (and others) feel like trolls just stating that we think Palm has a future.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Gekko @ 5/11/2005 10:52:07 AM # Q

hey justajackass - did you ever think that PLMO/PSRC has turned many here from happy customers to critics through their recent batch of shiit products????? we are the MAJORITY and the minority are those battered-wife apologists who can see no wrong. now stop insulting our intelligence, fool.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
hkklife @ 5/11/2005 12:01:15 PM # Q
Justauser;

I strongly consider you check the profiles of some of the more "vocal" members of this site and look at their # of posts and how long they have been registered with PIC. I personally posted on the site for several years as I.M Anonymous before mandatory registration was required. I'll wager that most of THOSE users have been with the platform since the beginning or at least for several years. I've been a POS user since 1996 when I bought one of the first batch of Pilot 1000s that Egghead (RIP) got in stock. So let me state that I feel WELL ENTITLED to make whatever judgement calls I desire about the hardware and the OS. If the heavy discussions become too unconfortable to bear here, then head over to the calmer waters of Brighthand PDABuzz etc.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Gekko @ 5/11/2005 12:24:31 PM # Q

hkk - well said.

I've owned a Palm III, V, m505, m515, T1, T3, T5, Treo 600 so all of the Apologists/Conspiracy Theorists can kiss my azz.



RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
relyons @ 5/11/2005 12:50:55 PM # Q
Gekko mumbled, "I've owned a Palm III, V, m505, m515, T1, T3, T5, Treo 600 so all of the Apologists/Conspiracy Theorists can kiss my azz."

Gekko,

If you're so disgusted with the features and quality of Palm's products, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

Move on, Gekko. Save yourself from the aggravation.

Eric

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
mikecane @ 5/11/2005 5:08:27 PM # Q
Is Benhamou the Bum now posting here?

Gekko and the Rest of Us will squawk all we damn well want. WE are the ones p1 should be concentrating on -- NOT the fickle unwashed who will drop a p1 device for a Crackberry or an MS Smurfphone and not see any damned difference because they UNDERUTILIZE their devices to begin with.

Gekko: Pull out the quote.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
ackmondual @ 5/11/2005 6:15:09 PM # Q
QUOTE:
If you're so disgusted with the features and quality of Palm's products, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

Move on, Gekko. Save yourself from the aggravation.

Eric
/end

AFAIK, doesn't Gekko have several PPCs already? One of them VGA? That would explain it as he's already moved on if true. PPC users are still entitled to their compliments and complaints towards P1 as former users. HOwever, I don't understand why Gekko would have a T5 tho. Perhaps it was free?

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
mikecane @ 5/11/2005 8:04:29 PM # Q
I think Gekko should have clarified that his T5 "ownership" amounted to several traumatic hours.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
justauser @ 5/12/2005 5:13:24 AM # Q
Today's charming comments
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107044
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107045
Are you guys really defending these "heavy discussions"? Give me a break.

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
mikecane @ 5/12/2005 10:45:54 AM # Q
>>>Are you guys really defending these "heavy discussions"?

They're a helluva lot more entertaining than your whining tripe.

>>>Give me a break.

Be glad to! Can it be your head and can I use a sledgehammer?

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
justauser @ 5/12/2005 8:50:00 PM # Q
>>> They're a helluva lot more entertaining
You seemed pretty darn harsh on Surur if you thought it was entertaining.

>>> your whining tripe
Sorry Mike, whining tripe is all that's on the menu at the moment. We're all waiting for the big release and the kids are getting cranky.

>>> Be glad to! Can it be your head and can I use a sledgehammer?
A quick glance over today's posts and it feels like you already have - can someone get me an asprin?

SHOCKER!!! BubbaSteve's real name is...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/12/2005 10:38:06 PM # Q
Today's charming comments
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107044
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107045
Are you guys really defending these "heavy discussions"? Give me a break.

Boo hoo hoo!

Waaaaaaaa!


It's my God-given right to biotchslap BubbaSteve any time I want to. No Commie pinko twerp's gonna stop me either.

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Was that "heavy" enough for you? Once everyone is finally told BubbaSteve's secret identity, they'll be laughing in the aisles.
Right, BubbaSteve? Here's a clue for you all: "The walrus was Paul."

The eagle flies at dawn.


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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Foo Fighter @ 5/12/2005 11:32:32 PM # Q
Gekko said: "so all of the Apologists/Conspiracy Theorists can kiss my azz."

Please don't use the phrase "conspiracy theorist". It brings up bad memories for me. Once upon a time, yours truly was accused of being a Pocket PC user that was part of a global conspiracy to frighten off consumers from buying PalmOS devices.

Way back when the original Tungsten T first came out, mine developed the dreaded dust under the screen issue, a problem common to reflective LCDs. When I pointed this out to others in PDA Buzz's forums and elsewhere, several Palm nazis accused me of secretly being a Pocket PC user masquerading as a Palm owner, and part of a collaborative effort to undermine Palm handheld sales by spreading FUD about the new Tungsten. Which I found quite hilarious considering I didn't even own a Pocket PC at that time, and hadn't for nearly a year. How's that for nutball fanboy paranoia?

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BubbaSteve's secret identity: Clue # 2
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/13/2005 1:28:40 AM # Q
Mike Cane unwittingly has obsessed over this individual in posts to Palminfocenter.

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Say hello to my little friend...

FUDtastic
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/13/2005 1:40:01 AM # Q
Please don't use the phrase "conspiracy theorist". It brings up bad memories for me. Once upon a time, yours truly was accused of being a Pocket PC user that was part of a global conspiracy to frighten off consumers from buying PalmOS devices.

Kent, Mr. Gates wants to meet us tomorrow in the third floor conference room (in the Deschutes Wing) to go over the plans for "Operation Pa1mMud" with the interns that will be flooding Palminfocenter and the Palm fanboy sites next week when you-know-what is released. Remember the key points to focus on: size, harddrive access times and the Contacts Bug. Remember: we need to hit Palm hard, fast and often. If we can kill the LD in the crib, Palm will finally be down for the count. Take care.

Heil Gates!



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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
mikecane @ 5/13/2005 8:49:06 AM # Q
Oh my god. I have NEVER laughed so much over a PIC thread -- or ANY thread -- in all my time online. This has become so damned surreal! It's almost as bizarre as having to look at Paris Hilton! (The first person to post HER here DIES!)

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
souterj @ 5/14/2005 4:58:03 AM # Q
Yes - I had no idea where this thread would go when I started it!

Only an delusional idiot would have thought that Paris Hilton could crop up in a discussion about the speculative details of an upcoming PalmOne device.

Mind you, 4GB would be plenty of space to hold her accidentally-on-purpose-released-into-the-public-home-porn-vid-self-promo-exercise!

...with plenty of space left over for similar home-vidz of Abi Titmus, Pam Anderson,etc,etc.

Perhaps LifeDrive should be re-marketed as PornDrive and feature a new splash-resistent finish!

Nuff Said!

RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Foo Fighter @ 5/15/2005 1:06:43 AM # Q
RhinoPlasty said: "The T5 sold well to the market it was intended for"

Ah yes, more baseless claims from a man with a track record for making similar wild claims of success where failure exists. Wasn't it you who once claimed the Tungsten C was the hottest selling WiFi device on the market, even outselling all wireless Pocket PCs combined? We all know that was a grotesque lie. Even Colligan admitted that.

It might interest you to know that the T5 is not only a flop, it's actually one of PalmOne's least popular products currently. In fact, it's even being outsold by the HP iPaq rx3115 (which itself is a low-volume seller). How do I know this? PalmOne disclosed this fact to myself and other members of the media during the Tungsten E2 product briefing early last month. And that info in turn came from NPD. Always a shame when the truth gets in the way of a damn good lie, isn't it?

"Also, if you want to spin this I honestly believe that there are a bunch of people on the Microsoft cash stream doing their thing here to trash the Palm OS. Yes, they are that desperate to try to gain market share."

Desperate to gain market share? Why...they've already stolen most of PalmSource's share of the mobile market. Windows Mobile is currently outselling PalmOS. If anything PalmSource needs to put a few people on its payroll to trash Windows Mobile in internet message boards, and try to gain back some of the market share they've lost to Microsoft.

By the way, the Chicago Zoo called. They want you back in your cage in time for opening tomorrow, along with the other ring-tailed Lemurs. And stop throwing your feces at park visitors.

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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
mikecane @ 5/15/2005 12:18:24 PM # Q
>>>Ah yes, more baseless claims from a man with a track record for making similar wild claims of success where failure exists.

God, what a great sentence!

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Mobile Manager Admission

Demosthenese @ 5/9/2005 6:58:27 AM # Q
Is it me or have pa1mOne made a subconscious admission of how bad there T5 really was in the last news release about the new category of handhelds is this statement:
The introduction of a new category reflects usage patterns palmOne has tracked over time, especially among customers for its premium products. Customers of palmOne's high-end Tungsten(TM) T3 handheld computer, for example, show a strong affinity for taking full advantage of the included DataViz(R) Documents To Go(R) software, which puts Word, Excel and PowerPoint documents at their fingertips. Customers also have asked palmOne to provide them with convenient ways to carry, file and manage rich digital content, such as music and video. While overlap exists, palmOne has identified three major customer segments and assigned three corresponding product lines to better serve them. They are as follows.
Does this mean that they are accepting that the T5 was a mistake and that people are not using it to its supposed full potential because it was a lame duck before it was ever released? And then does it then follow that their “creation of a new category “ is a way of them getting round having to say we really got it wrong. They then go on to cite the Zire and Tungsten series for consumers and business professionals, Aren’t we all consumers and if we’re going to spend the money don’t we want more pow in our pound? Surely everyone who would consider buying a Tungsten branded series will now be waiting for the “Mobile Manager”. Only time will tell but I would not be surprised to see sale drop off for the T5 after the “Lifedrive” release and indeed it be removed from the market like it’s older but far superior brother the T3.


RE: Mobile Manager Admission
oneself @ 5/9/2005 9:07:55 AM # Q
Which way T3 could be better than T5?=)

RE: Mobile Manager Admission
Frenchie @ 5/9/2005 11:50:40 AM # Q
I actually think P1 used the T5 as an experiment to test out OS 5.4 . They probably didn't want to do the beta testing so they released the T5 as a simple refresh and a chance to beta the new OS. The internal memory of the T5 could be substitued for a HD, add BT, add wifi, and you have a perfect PDA.

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: Mobile Manager Admission
ackmondual @ 5/9/2005 6:06:30 PM # Q
They've always done that categorization. Pick up any old PalmOne product brochure and it'll say:

Zires for consumers (z31), entry level (zire, z21), and multimedia fun types (z71, z72)

Tungstens for the business (T|E, T|E2) or serious/power user (t3, t5, T|C)

Treos for the smartphone, mobile connected user (tr600, tr650)

Now this LifeDrive has its own category

This article mentions how T3 users tend to be the ones to pound away heavily at Office documents and such. Frankly, all i ever wanted was a PDA that could do PIMs with a HVGA screen, more than 32MB of user RAM, Voice recorder, and digicam, preferrably a vid cam as well. No one P1 PDA would do that. As little as 2 perhaps, but i want just one. I ended up sacrificing the digicam to get most of the features that i wanted.

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RE: Mobile Manager Admission
fermi337 @ 5/9/2005 8:09:04 PM # Q
No. It would have been impossible to study the users of the t5s because then there would be no time to incorporate all the needed features into the lifedrive and have it released now. The study of the t3 users was completed in the middle of last year, giving palmone ample time to figure out what would be needed for the lifedrive. If they did do the study of t5 users, they obviously would have taken the opportunity. You see, the lifedrive was in the testing stages when the t5 was released.

RE: Mobile Manager Admission
Masamune @ 5/10/2005 2:57:42 PM # Q
The fact that PalmOne now have an independant category for the Lifedrive suggests that there will be more devices along similar lines. My guess would be that Palm wants to put out a high end model to keep pace with Pocket PC and later incarnations of the Lifedrive or whatever name is chosen for this range may sport Cobalt. It may well be that we won't see the arrival of Cobalt until we see signs of Magneto devices being shipped.

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TV sighting?

Moosecat @ 5/9/2005 8:47:09 AM # Q
Someone on Engadget (see http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000130042690/#c232881) said there was a LifeDrive/Mobile Manager sighting on Desperate Housewives last night.

I watched the show (ahem), but did not see it. Anyone else see it?

RE: TV sighting?
hkklife @ 5/9/2005 10:03:12 AM # Q
I thought they learned their lesson about product placement already with the costly atrocity that was "Little Black Book"!?
At least they had a new model's sneak peak on Housewives instead of a past-its-prime offering from the past (T|C etc).

Back on topic:
LD's success or failure is going to to come down to a few primary issues (build quality, battery life, size) and a slew of secondary ones, mostl outlined above. Other notable questions:

-Will it be more stable than T5?
-WIll G1 be offered as a hack/legit plug-in/Prefs option?
-Will the metal have an adverse affect on wi-fi performance?
-Has the OS been tweaked to permit IR & BT or BT & Wi-Fi access simultaneously?
-FAT 32 for the HD or will they have two 2gb partitions?
-Finally, how badly will the $500 MSRP cripple its success after the initial adopter frenzy has died down?

I know P1 has their new "Sock it to 'em early" pricing strategy (look at the Treo 650 and T|E2) but this thing should clearly be launched at $400. $500 is laptop territory (or a nice PPC/T|E2 and an iPod) and has heretofore been a no-man's land as far as volume sales. I expect the price to drop to $450 with the inevitable rebate by back-to-school time but for $500, this thing should be rock solid in every way possible. How P1 can offer the Zire 31 for such an attractive price and then be out of their minds on the LD is beyond me.

Of course, all of the above concerns would be moot points IF P1 announced a free Cobalt upgrade for LD owners "when it ships"-sorta like how the PC manufacturers gave you a free coupon to upgrade to XP from ME back in '01. I see an OS6 LD with a bigger HD on the horizon if this thing is even close to successful.

RE: TV sighting?
whitemiata @ 5/9/2005 11:25:04 AM # Q
>>Of course, all of the above concerns would be moot points IF P1 announced a free Cobalt upgrade for LD owners "when it ships"-sorta like how the PC manufacturers gave you a free coupon to upgrade to XP from ME back in '01. I see an OS6 LD with a bigger HD on the horizon if this thing is even close to successful.<<

Hu!?!?!

Consumers know what Windows is, and they put some value on an upgrade to the next version of Windows.

The vast majority of PDA owners don't know the darn thing has an OPERATING SYSTEM, let alone knowing that in some cases it could be upgraded, let alone knowing what COBALT is, let alone diving a gamn.

Alessandro

RE: TV sighting?
hkklife @ 5/9/2005 2:24:32 PM # Q
N00bs aren't going to be buying these LDs, certainly not at $500. No, the average LD purchaser will be one of a few groups:

1. $-laden college kids/hipsters looking for something "more" than an iPod mini

2. Long-time Palm users who are going to give the platform one final shot before throwing in the towel (the majority of the initial purchasers, I'd wager) and/or Treo users who are going back to separate devices b/c of the Treo's lack of 320*480/wi-fi support.

3. A vastly smaller group of blindly loyal Palm apologists who want to "supplement" their T5s aka The Best Handheld Ever

4. The usual early adopters & execs who will buy it on impulse and then unload it on E-Bay two weeks later.

Chop $100 off of the pricetag and the odds of at least moderate mainstream success are greatly enhanced. Remember, folks, P1's retail presence has been flagging as of late. BB is almost totally out of the PDA biz. The average Office Max, Staples, and CUSA have PDA counter displays that are in shambles. Target dropped all P1 inventory completely as did Wal-Mart. Sharper Image and the Apple stores wouldn't touch the thing so you can forget about the mall crowd buying them. P1 retail kiosks have just a handful of stores.

I have a feeling that the LD won't appear in too many chains other than CUSA, Staples, and OD while saddled with a $500 pricetag.

RE: TV sighting?
mbuhboot @ 5/9/2005 3:31:45 PM # Q
What's your gripe about LD? What's the problem with the price? Does the 4700 offer anything better for the same pricetag (we are talking about MSRP and not street price you know..)

I for one will opt for a 4GB, USB2 PDA with HVGA rather then a huge (the 4700 is big!) VGA screen ill-used (have you thought about DPI?? It's a great technological achivement with no cocreat purpose... 3.8" HVGA look as good as 4" VGA screens..)

With 4GB I can store 4 hours of movies for my kids when I am traveling, I can store my entire "My Documents" (reaching 1.5GB as of today) and still have enough space for most of Europe maps for a good navigation software.. so basicaly it DOES provide a good laptop-like expirience and a good media player..

Throw in your bag a BT foldable keyboard and you are king of the road.

Moshe

RE: TV sighting?
hkklife @ 5/9/2005 4:59:47 PM # Q
I have no gripes per se with the LD seeing as I've yet to see one personally/fondle one/read a full & official spec list. I will likely buy one or at least give it serious consideration in the next two months.

I do, however, have gripes with recent P1 efforts and most certainly with the $500 pricetag. Consumers nowadays are very price sensitive, having gotten spoiled by rzor thin margins on consumer electronics and bottom-barrel Chinese hardware. By and large, that stuff works pretty much as advertised and if it is buggy, you can junk it and buy a new one for less than a Franklin.

P1 is notorious for cutting corners and shipping half-baked hardware. I don't see charging $500 *cough T|T cough* as the panacea for the shoddy craftsmanship and quality control that's ailed them over the past four years.

LifeDrive in Apple Stores
ChiA @ 5/9/2005 5:45:44 PM # Q
> > Apple stores wouldn't touch the thing < <

The Apple Stores UK (i.e. both web and physical shops) sell the full range of PalmOne Tungstens and Zires. The PalmOne LifeDrive has some potential for competing against Apple's 4GB iPod Mini but let's face it, the iPod Mini is cheaper and smaller; it's unlikely that someone will buy a LifeDrive JUST to listen to music!

I think Apple can safely stock the LifeDrive in its shops. Okay, they may lose a few sales to people would have bought a handheld AND an iPod but if you're someone who buys a handheld with a memory card slot and a headphone socket, you're more likely to get music software for your handheld and a flash card than an iPod anyway.

RE: TV sighting?
ackmondual @ 5/9/2005 6:23:49 PM # Q
by hkklife
Back on topic:
LD's success or failure is going to .........

But that WAS the topic. We're talking about (in this thread) the LD being sighted on TV. Never saw Desperate Housewives. I have seen Little Black Book and the T|C which seemed to be the real star of the movie. I also saw a zodiac on an episode of Law & Order SVU. Benson's kid was playing some hockey game on it at his house. Another zodiac appeared in that awful TV network movie Locusts where it was being used to track locust movement across the country using some mapping software.

@hkklife again... curious, in what situation would you want to have BT+wifi on simultaneously? I'm guessing wifi to web browse in some hotspot while BT to connect to your WL keyboard or other BT accessory?

And finally, while some of the pOS community still eagery awaits Cobalt... my impression is that most of us are done with that optimissm. I'd be more inclined to believe a jesus look-alike running down the street screaming the world is coming to an end than Cobalt coming out anytime soon. Didn't they shelve Cobalt for a new Linux based pOS?


@everyone else
PDA presence has been dying in most of all brick and mortar stores. If it's not some dumbdumb lazylazy associates who can't keep their PDA selection well powered, it's the store just losing interest in them and shoving their PDA wares into a darker corner. In one CC, the PDA wares is next to the restroom. What I am surprised is that the ipaq demo models have dumbed down alot. From 6 - 8 to half that many.


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RE: TV sighting?
joeags @ 5/9/2005 9:23:51 PM # Q
Geez, I am so tired of people trashing the $500 retail starting point of this new product. Did anybody read the Gartner Research report that stated that the AVERAGE selling price of a pda is $406?!?!? Now of course we can argue about what is a pda, what isn't, blah blah blah, but this report shows a solid number. Take into account the $199 Tungsten E|2 and other low price pdas, and clearly there is a market for a $500 pda. Does that mean that YOU will be able to afford it? Maybe not. But that doesn't mean that it won't sell.

This appears to be one of those items that is going to need a dang good marketing plan in order to get out in the public's eye and show what it can be. I don't think the iPod would be as successful without their marketing plan that they threw out. Being that palmOne is announcing a new "product category," I wouldn't be surprised if they had something big in store...

RE: TV sighting?
ackmondual @ 5/10/2005 12:50:19 AM # Q
Not too bad. Smartphones like the Sony Ericsson can go for $800. My boss has one and it sure don't look like $800.
RE: TV sighting?
hkklife @ 5/10/2005 10:04:25 AM # Q
Ack;

Yes, connected to a wi-fi hotspot while typing furiously on a BT keyboard. Since it looks like no tethered Athena keyboards are on the horizon and I cannot STAND the ThinkOutside IR keyboard (too sensitive), BT is my final hope. In older Palm devices, the IR & UC could be used simultaneously but not BT/wi-fi and IR. I am going to continue my assumption that you can only have one "wireless method" going at a time, whether it be IR, BT or wi-fi.



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Mobile MEDIA Manager

mikecane @ 5/9/2005 10:18:58 AM # Q
Would have been a better name -- however...

http://tinyurl.com/adr8m

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LifeDrive checklist for reviewers

mikecane @ 5/9/2005 10:28:03 AM # Q
I'm sure units are already in reviewer hands (hello, twizza!). Here are some things We Want To Know:

1) Is the 8-limit Find function fixed?
2) When using Find in Calendar, does it show dates of found items?
3) Can it play DiVXed AVIs natively (ie, NO conversion)?
4) Can it play MPEG video natively (ie, NO conversion)?
5) Does the HD make any noise?
6) Torture test: Loop a video til the battery warning comes up: How long?
7) Torture text: Loop an MP3 til the battery warning comes up: How long?

-- the rest of you feel free to pile on with your questions too.

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
palmato @ 5/9/2005 10:53:03 AM # Q
8) Does wifi support WPA (still MIA on the wifi card)

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
Gekko @ 5/9/2005 11:10:30 AM # Q

good idea, Mike. let's all add non-trivial questions -

9. How snappy is the GUI/OS compared to the T3 (with a LOADED LifeDrive)?
10. Is there a G2 imput lag/delay?
11. Will a G1 Patch Work? Will Tealscript work?
12. What version of Garnet?
13. Where does the PIM data reside? RAM or Hard Drive?
14. How fast to Soft Reset? Hard Reset?
15. How fast is WIFI/surfing the web?


RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
mhormann @ 5/9/2005 12:48:44 PM # Q
Is there a secure WiFi client included, who makes it, and does it support PEAP and/or EAP-TTLS?

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
ackmondual @ 5/9/2005 6:41:19 PM # Q
-can the screen be viewed outdoors comfortably?
-will a cradle be included?
-can you reset the device with your stylus?

add-on,
-will jot and other writing utilities work?

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
patchwork @ 5/9/2005 7:17:30 PM # Q
Ease of Use Testing

(1) How easy is it to set up a Bluetooth connection?
(2) How easy is it to set up a WiFi connection?
(3) How many taps/button presses/clicks to key applications?
(4) How different and how intuitive is the new synchronisation system?

These and similar questions will speak to whether the "Zen of Palm" is still maintained.

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Zen means cheap
Surur @ 5/9/2005 7:28:19 PM # Q

According to VOR (or is it Gekko) the "Zen of Palm" was always a (very successful) marketing strategy to sell cheap underpowered devices at inflated prices.

I must say many things make more sense when looked at through a jaundiced view.

Surur

Only then will the Palm Zen Masters™ enlighten you(r wallet)
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/9/2005 10:19:16 PM # Q
According to VOR (or is it Gekko) the "Zen of Palm" was always a (very successful) marketing strategy to sell cheap underpowered devices at inflated prices.

I must say many things make more sense when looked at through a jaundiced view.

Aaaah so, Grasshopper. Not jaundiced - just honest. Businesses are all about making money, and market manipulation/spin/mind control/fad creation are a big part of the equation with tech devices. So no one can fault Palm for using that sleazy spin to fleece customers for so many years with cheap hardware. I plunked down my money for my old Pilots and was grateful Palm even existed. Likewise, no one from Palm ever put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to pay $400 for a Palm Vx or the egregious Dungsten "5". And no one forces Apple Cultists to buy ridiculously overpriced Apple hardware/fashion statements.

The Zen of Palm died when it became obvious that Palm's primitive hardware was looking REALLY silly in the stores next to PPC hardware. Suddenly, color screens/poor battery life/media expansion/MP3/increased bundling of apps, etc. became acceptable to Palm. Overnight. Hmmmmmmm....




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RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RhinoSteve @ 5/9/2005 11:13:31 PM # Q
Oh boy oh boy oh boy! Ok reality check for you all that don't have money behind their mouth.

1) Is the 8-limit Find function fixed?
This is not wanted by those who have time to use Find right.

2) When using Find in Calendar, does it show dates of found items?
Why do you want that? That is what the caldender is for. Dates would take up too much screen space.

3) Can it play DiVXed AVIs natively (ie, NO conversion)?
Who wants that? Last thing I want is to watch a whole movie on my Palm. Gawd, go to a bar and have a few beers and get a date!

4) Can it play MPEG video natively (ie, NO conversion)?
Again who wants that other than a bunch of over vocal minorities that can't afford a portable DVD player?

5) Does the HD make any noise?
What hard disk doesn't noise? I can see it now, someone will complain it is too quite and someone will do a patch so the speaker makes hard drive noises so you can detect hard disk access.

6) Torture test: Loop a video til the battery warning comes up: How long?
Long enough for a half dozen women to check you doing this at a coffee house with you getting the "silent ewww!"

7) Torture text: Loop an MP3 til the battery warning comes up: How long?
Long enough for a dozen women to check you doing this at a coffee house with you getting the "silent ewww!"

8) Does wifi support WPA (still MIA on the wifi card)
9) How snappy is the GUI/OS compared to the T3 (with a LOADED LifeDrive)?
Snappy? I guess below zero seconds is too slow for most of the crowd here.

10) Is there a G2 input lag/delay?
11) Will a G1 Patch Work? Will Tealscript work?
Ever hear of a virtual keyboard?

12) What version of Garnet?
Buy one and find out. If you can afford it. Or will the guys at Circuit City kick you out of the store too soon?

13) Where does the PIM data reside? RAM or Hard Drive?
Oh man, and I though it would take a while for people to buy one and then complain about this feature. Now we have pre-release vapor-bugs.

14) How fast to Soft Reset? Hard Reset?
I can see it now. People will complain about spin up time on a PDA -- woowoo!

15) How fast is WIFI/surfing the web?
Obviously it will never be fast enough for you.


RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
Gekko @ 5/9/2005 11:29:57 PM # Q

RhinoNerd - you are a complete jackass.



RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
PalmSince97 @ 5/10/2005 4:16:06 AM # Q
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1) Is the 8-limit Find function fixed?
This is not wanted by those who have time to use Find right.
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What does it mean to use Find in the "right" way? When I hit find, I want it to show me all references to that word in the databases of interest. Why would I want there to be a limit on the number of items that might show?

Actually, I wish I could specify which apps to search in (on a system level, not a per app level) and I wish that the list of results was more easily navigable too. Basically I wish Find was *more* powerful not less.


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2) When using Find in Calendar, does it show dates of found items?
Why do you want that? That is what the caldender is for. Dates would take up too much screen space.
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You want to see the date because you can have two events with similar descriptions happening on different days, obviously.

As for dates taking too much room, I don't have that problem on my T3... (but it would be even better if the Find form was able to fill the screen in landscape orientation)


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3) Can it play DiVXed AVIs natively (ie, NO conversion)?
Who wants that? Last thing I want is to watch a whole movie on my Palm. Gawd, go to a bar and have a few beers and get a date!
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I don't think this is really an issue since it is already possible to watch native DivX movies just fine using third party software, but I think plenty of people would like this feature. People already watch TV or video on the phones; a PDA size screen is a great improvement.

I almost never agree with mikecane, but in this case I think you are being overly dismissive...

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
LiveFaith @ 5/10/2005 10:17:52 AM # Q
Rhino,

You win my "first real laugh of the day award". Thanks

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
mikecane @ 5/10/2005 11:38:12 AM # Q
Listen you *******s: There was a specific PURPOSE for this thread, and it WASN'T so that surur the whore, Voice of Herpes, et al, could unzip their flies and show all of us -- nothing. If you can't add to the list of reviewer Qs, start you own fekkin thread.

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RhinoSteve @ 5/10/2005 12:14:43 PM # Q
If my comments upset you that much, you really need to look hard at yourself. I'm glad someone "got it" over what I was saying.

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
Gekko @ 5/10/2005 1:44:50 PM # Q

please see the forums for the consolidated checklist.

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
mikecane @ 5/10/2005 3:12:29 PM # Q
What a collection of effheads Hey, Rhinoface, I finally figured out "who" you are: NOBODY.

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
benjin @ 5/10/2005 6:48:27 PM # Q
3) Can it play DiVXed AVIs natively (ie, NO conversion)?

I'm not convinced that this matters either. Some argue that all the software should be preinstalled to run DIVX... but not even Windows XP has that feature built in.

People who know what DIVX is are going to be able to find the program that supports it.

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RhinoSteve @ 5/11/2005 1:28:26 AM # Q
DIVX on a PDA is like a fish on a bicycle -- possible but not needed.
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
mikecane @ 5/11/2005 8:50:30 AM # Q
It can be done on a PPC. Therefore it should be possible on this MM. If not, then p1 screwed up again.

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RhinoSteve @ 5/12/2005 1:13:18 AM # Q
And if everyone starts to throw their PPCs off a bridge, should Palm units now claim "aquatic body spanning structure platform-based projectile compatibility" and then start a standards committee to make sure the splash heights are compatiable?
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/12/2005 1:44:06 AM # Q
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7267#99831

BubbaSteve: you are officially nominated to personally follow the trajectories of those PDA as they are thrown off the bridge. Hope someone straps a couple hundred pounds of Palm's new Brick PDA™ to you to better analyze what happens to a soft object (your head) in a high impact collision.


RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
svrontis @ 5/12/2005 6:05:50 AM # Q
16) can you use the thing for a whole day without recharging?

RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RhinoSteve @ 5/12/2005 9:29:20 PM # Q
VOR, with that from you I'm complemented. You keep posting that URL as if it is some sort of scandle creating post. I'm very prowd of everything that I said there. Enjoy your cubical time!
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
twizza @ 5/13/2005 12:54:30 PM # Q
Mike C;
Thanks for the mention but I do not have much to comment on towards the LD. I'll be sure to think about the reviewer questions when I get my chance to fondle an LD.

antoinerjwright.com
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/15/2005 5:31:11 PM # Q
We're "prowd" of you too, BubbaSteve. Buy a vowel, Buddy. The clue train is leaving and you don't have a ticket.


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Palm 6

Oloff @ 5/9/2005 10:34:58 AM # Q
Will any pre-palm6 machine be upgradable to palm6?
What difference would that make to a "mobile manager"? Palm6 has been a long wait, but are we actually waiting for..?



RE: Palm 6
AdamaDBrown @ 5/9/2005 1:15:15 PM # Q
Almost certainly not. PalmOne has shown no interest in deploying OS 6 to new units, and they'd be even less likely to support it for existing models. If you really want it, they would rather you buy a new Palm.

RE: Palm 6
Gekko @ 5/9/2005 1:31:02 PM # Q

OS6/Cobalt was a complete waste of time and money. Thank you, Nagel.


RE: Palm 6
ganoe @ 5/9/2005 6:30:29 PM # Q
It's more like Palm OS 5/Garnet was a complete waste of time and money. Now we're left with a dead platform. Thank you Colligan. Milk it for all it's worth before it dies.

I can't believe these morons at PalmOne think they can create their own product category through marketing alone. Yes, and through my analysis, I've decided that everyone needs square coffee mugs to drink out of instead of round ones. Don't be afraid though, I'll be releasing one at the end of the month because I knew you just couldn't do without one before.

The PalmOne shareholders should be screaming at the top of their lungs at this ridiculous annoucement, but all the majority of them care about is short term stock gains. Who cares if the Palm OS is gone in another year or two, when they'll be profiting off the PalmOne Windows Mobile devices.

RE: PalmOS 6 - Did pa1mOne have a good reason to avoid it?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/9/2005 9:31:22 PM # Q
It's more like Palm OS 5/Garnet was a complete waste of time and money. Now we're left with a dead platform. Thank you Colligan. Milk it for all it's worth before it dies.

Wow, ganoe - you're on a roll. Yet another Clueless Comment blaming the victim. Get your facts straight, Bubba. pa1mOne isn't a charity. They have to do whatever it takes to ensure their survival, and if one of its Skinny Puppies can't keep up the pace, it's best to cut them loose rather than bringing down the whole pack. Law of the Jungle™. It's sort of like chopping off a diseased, infected limb before the infection can spread and kill the rest of the body. (Analogy just for Mike Cane.)

pa1mOne has thus far incredibly managed to weather the Cobalt Catastrophe relatively unscathed. Had they embraced Cobalt as you think they should have, pa1mOne would no longer be in business. Sorry, but that's the brutal truth. Give these guys a little credit. They know a lot more about gambling in this industry than you could ever understand and wisely chose to save themselves first. "Women and children first"? Don't make me laugh. In business it's "Every man for himself".



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RE: Palm 6
LiveFaith @ 5/10/2005 10:19:05 AM # Q
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Not true Gekko. Remember how much fun and important it was in December 2003, to see if they would actually hit the release date they promised ... "before the end of the year". We debated, hacked, attacked, spew and argued up to and even past the 6.0 release date.

Surely that's worth a few $ million!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

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Flyboy vs LifeDrive

mikecane @ 5/9/2005 1:30:45 PM # Q
Also new on the market today:

PR release: http://tinyurl.com/af7b5

>>>The Linux-based MediaREADY FlyBoy™ Portable Media Player allows you to record up to 80 hours of video, store over 200,000 digital pictures, or hold up to 740 hours of music on its 40 GB hard drive and enjoy it all on the move. The Flyboy has a easy to watch 3.5 inch LCD screen with built-in speakers. The internal USB 2.0 hard drive allows your Flyboy™ to receive files from a connected MediaREADY™ 4000, MediaREADY™ 5000 or PC. The MediaREADY Flyboy™ has a $349 MSRP and is now available online.

http://www.vwbinc.com/products.html

At that price, I doubt it's more than a 240x320 screen...

RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
mikecane @ 5/9/2005 1:39:19 PM # Q
Finally found the specs...

# Size: WxHxD : 146mm x 87mm x 297mm
# Weight : 10oz (300g) with battery
# Display : 3.5¨, 320 x 240 pixel resolution, backlit LCD Display
# Capacity: 40GB Hard drive
# Power: 12V-DC In, 100-240V AC Adapter
# Battery: 7.4V 1360mAh rechargable Lithium-ion
# Accessories: AC/DC adapter, Lithium-ion battery, carry case, stereo earphones, IR remote control, A/V cable, USB 2.0 cable

Shipping Weight: 14 oz.

RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
AdamaDBrown @ 5/9/2005 5:56:25 PM # Q
Teach it to grab TV progams off my Dish Network DVR, then we'll talk.

Device weight 10 ounces, shipping weight 14 ounces? I guess they don't include a manual.

RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
ackmondual @ 5/9/2005 6:47:55 PM # Q
i doubt the QVGA screen will be a big deal, especially since it's so much cheaper than the $500 LD. Then again, it's all about marketing.

Interesting names I must say

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RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
mikecane @ 5/9/2005 8:01:19 PM # Q
Maybe the 240x320 won't matter to the unwashed, but after seeing video on the TE's *320x320* screen, I couldn't stand the same thing on the GENIO's 240x320 screen.

BTW, I saw that 80GB HDed Archos in a store today. Brick! And the other Media Players I saw were Super Bricks!

RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
LiveFaith @ 5/9/2005 10:06:05 PM # Q
Flyboy's memos are not even 4k ... they're 0k. 16 categoy limit is reduced to 0 also. Clipboard limit is 0 too. Loks like a backward step.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
ackmondual @ 5/10/2005 12:55:18 AM # Q
Well, Flybooy is a media player, not a PDA/media player. For those not interested in PDAs, the LD may be a turnoff b/c they're paying for something they either already have or already don't need
RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
rogerta @ 5/10/2005 8:09:18 AM # Q
Hi all,

146mm == 5.7in.
87mm == 3.4in.
297mm == 11.7in.

So the flyboy is 3.4in thick? That can't be right, can it?



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RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
ackmondual @ 5/10/2005 10:24:52 PM # Q
probably right. It has a 40GB hd which doesn't seem to be able to get any thinner than that.

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RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
fermi337 @ 5/10/2005 10:53:53 PM # Q
The site claims that it is ultra-slim. Most portable dvd players are thinner than that!

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How long?

Midknyte @ 5/9/2005 3:30:03 PM # Q
Ok, how long until this "device" earns the moniker of "pPod"?

(heheh, perhaps now...)

RE: How long? Got rejected as not high tech enough
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/9/2005 9:57:49 PM # Q
Actually, it's known as the iPalm.


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RE: How long?
hkklife @ 5/10/2005 9:41:41 AM # Q
Already taken. That was the name of an old Panasonic digital camera--THE first one to use SD/MMC for storage, in fact. The old-timers here will recall the initial flurry of excitement when Palm/Sandisk/Panasonic showed tons and tons of SDIO vaporware. The iPalm was featured prominently interfacing with m5xx Palms even though it was aganozing slow to view jpegs taken by the camera with a 33mhz Dragonball.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dc3000-review/

I had an iPalm back in '01 right after I got my m505. Probably one of the first products to piggyback on Apple's naming nomenclature (though not their early iMac styling).



RE: How long?
LiveFaith @ 5/10/2005 10:23:31 AM # Q
Apple iPalm™... coming soon?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/10/2005 9:17:49 PM # Q
Nice one, Pat.

The irony is if Apple ever DID release your design it would probably be a smash hit. Funny how far a little good industrial design and curvy plastic can take you...


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Security Issues

Fat_Man @ 5/9/2005 4:22:12 PM # Q
"Mobile managers are designed for customers who are eager to take full advantage of the trend toward “digital everything” – from documents and email to music, images and video, as standalone files or in organized folders;"

Carrying your life in your pocket, this thing better have a hell of a security program. People have hacked into cell phones (Paris Hilton and Fred Durst), it's ineviable that hackers and thieves would try to steal or hack into this.

KAY

RE: Security Issues
ackmondual @ 5/9/2005 6:49:10 PM # Q
oh yeah!!! The T-Mobil Side Kick gets side kicked :p

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RE: Security Issues
dm @ 5/9/2005 7:18:28 PM # Q
This is a major point and proper security was one of the things that OS6 was supposed to bring but everyone seems to have forgotten this.

RE: Security Issues
mikecane @ 5/9/2005 8:04:02 PM # Q
In NYC, it will soon top the list of Most Stolen Items on the subway... displacing the iPod.

RE: Security Issues
Gekko @ 5/9/2005 8:15:44 PM # Q

What security will OS5/Garnet offer the LifeDrive's 4GB Hard Drive?

I have a feeling that "Private" and "Autolock" will not be sufficient.


RE: Security Issues - What Me Worry?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/9/2005 10:02:31 PM # Q
Hilton and ""Dum Dum" Durst didn't have their phones hacked. One was a well-choreographed publicity stunt, the other was compromised due to Extreme Stupidity™.

Palm should have licenced TealLock years ago and made it part of the ROM. Oh wait a minute. Doing that would have gone against "The Zen of Palm", wouldn't it? Sorry.

I especially love those PalmOS backup apps that don't encrypt data or that allow you to restore to a new device without asking for a password. (Hey, Mike Waldron: Wassuuuuuuuuuup!!!)




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RE: Security Issues
ackmondual @ 5/10/2005 12:58:16 AM # Q
wow... I'm seeing double :D

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RE: Security Issues
twrock @ 5/10/2005 4:38:55 AM # Q
Carrying your life in your pocket, this thing better have a hell of a security program. People have hacked into cell phones (Paris Hilton and Fred Durst), it's ineviable that hackers and thieves would try to steal or hack into this.

I should recommend a neat little utility called I'm-Not-Important-Enough-To-Get-Hacked. After realizing just how effective this little app is, I've not had a worry in the world about my data security.

RE: Security Issues
LiveFaith @ 5/10/2005 10:26:40 AM # Q
tw,

Not much fear in losing those maxxed out Viser numbers, huh? :-)

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Apple idrive

ender wiggins @ 5/9/2005 10:08:05 PM # Q
They should have colored it white and called it the idrive instead. It sounds more trendy than a Mobile Manager, which has some negative business slave connotations.

It would also motivate Apple to assimilate PalmOne/source, similar to PalmOne buying up Handspring for its Treo technology.
Apple would gain an instant solid foothold in the PDA, cellphone, idrive market with no overlap whatsoever. The main change would be a true innovative ruthless leader like Steve Jobs kickin PalmOne to get their act together and come out with some innovative, less buggy products.

RE: Apple idrive
viqsi @ 5/10/2005 8:35:34 AM # Q
I would think it more likely to motiviate Apple to drag PalmOne into court.

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RE: Apple idrive
gizmoguy @ 5/10/2005 9:57:12 AM # Q
"They should have colored it white and called it the idrive instead. It sounds more trendy than a Mobile Manager, which has some negative business slave connotations."

HUH? Business slave connotations?!??!?

RE: Apple idrive
AdamaDBrown @ 5/10/2005 2:10:12 PM # Q
As in "Who wants to be carrying a manager around in their pocket?"

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Announcing a product category: absurd!

mhornyak @ 5/9/2005 10:25:25 PM # Q
Does it strike anyone as absurd that they're not announcing a product, but a product category? And worse, that the announcement isn't accompanied by a product -- they are JUST announcing a product category.

It's as if Toyota announced the 'Flying Vehicle' product category and said 'we'll have a car that flies any decade now!'

I don't want to spank Palm in general -- I love my Treo -- but this announcement reeks of desperation.

RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
Gekko @ 5/9/2005 10:28:10 PM # Q

they're building up the suspense to try to suck you in.

i'm not touching this pig until all the reviews are in.

RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
ozz @ 5/10/2005 12:40:31 AM # Q
Does the LifeDrive have a voice recorder?
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
ackmondual @ 5/10/2005 12:58:58 AM # Q
I believe it does. THe feature in question is the vibration alarms which may intefere with microdrive operation.

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RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
neilmitchell @ 5/10/2005 9:52:36 AM # Q
I agree - I am not touching this until the reviews are in:

* Fixed the FIND Contacts limit bug
* Adds back the T3->T5 missing features (Vib. alarm, Voice rec. etc)
* Comes with Cradle

The early signs are good on the case being robust and professional - unlike the T5 and E2.

What I want to know is "Will PalmOne come out with a variant of this (Tungsten T6?) that removes the harddive and is slimmed down?" This is what I am after. I have the stupid hope that the will announce 2 products (Lifedrive and the "Tungsten T6"). I don't want to splash out on a Lifedrive only to find out 3 months later they come out with what I really want. I'd be happy with the luanch of the Lifedrive with a mention annoucement of the slimmer product "coming soon" ... at least I know to wait!

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RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
LiveFaith @ 5/10/2005 10:30:38 AM # Q
// I believe it does. THe feature in question is the vibration alarms which may intefere with microdrive operation. //

Maybe they can shock mount the vibra-motor so it won't cause any interference with the HDD. :-o

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
hkklife @ 5/10/2005 11:08:06 AM # Q
LD specs (minus the HD) in a T5 formfactor BUT with a voice recorder, vibrating alarm, and metal body added would be a DREAM handheld. Essentially what all of Palmdom has been wishing for since 2002. Make sure the build quality is top-notch, no major bugs, battery life is good, and G1 is somehow, somewhere available (the bounty offer still stands btw and don't anyone DARE mention Tealscript) and we'll be set.

I too am worried about coughing up the $ for an LD only to find out a sleeker, cheaper, non-HD spin-off Tungsten is announced in late summer or this fall. Of course, that's the price you pay for progress! I am going to be sorely disappointed (among other things) if a cradle's not included with the LD at the $500 retail price. Considering Amazon didn't list a cradle as one of the accessories for it (just cases & styli) then it'll hopefully either include one or use the same T5 cradle.


RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
Surur @ 5/10/2005 11:39:47 AM # Q
LiveFaith said
Maybe they can shock mount the vibra-motor so it won't cause any interference with the HDD. :-o

Yes, that would reduce the transmitted vibration enough not to damage the hard drive. If you use enough padding you could reduce vibration enough that you could not even feel it if it was in your pocket! That would be perfect!

Surur

RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
cbowers @ 5/10/2005 5:53:13 PM # Q
Well maybe they can just run a several second loop of spinning up and spinning down the HD...

Or mount little jingle bells on the heads and initiate a random track seek.

Or park the heads real hard, over and over, at say 60 Hz.

Or mount an ultrasonic transducer that vibrates whatever is next to it, rather than the device itself.

Oh the fun you can have with vibrators, ahem.

RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
fermi337 @ 5/10/2005 6:32:25 PM # Q
It's not absurd at all. They did the exact same thing with the zire, tungsten, and treo lines; announce the lines weeks before the device comes out. It's also a good marketing strategy; don't ask why.

RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
ackmondual @ 5/10/2005 10:55:36 PM # Q
I'm likely not gonna get the LD. If my T3 dies and I can't find a new one anywhere, i'd most likely be migrating towards a zod2 which are killer clearance prices now which 'll better suit my urges and needs.

If they do have vib on LDs, I would like to see P1 jack up the vibration effect and make it more customizable. The former in just making it so intense that you'd actually be able to hear it going off evne in silent mode... like a cell phone. Latter in allowing you to set frequency vibrations and effects (eg helicoptor, single strong, pulse, etc.). Of all the new features of my T3 from my z71, BT is technically the most useless, but vibration is the biggest disappointment.

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LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!

mikecane @ 5/13/2005 3:26:58 PM # Q
Thanks to GrahamBM down in the Forums. Attention fellow Wingnuts, get a load of this!

http://tinyurl.com/aaue8

RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
Gekko @ 5/13/2005 3:48:30 PM # Q

nice find. my 4 big concerns are:

1. Sluggish GUI/data access due to NVFS.
2. Bugs/Crashiness due to NVFS/Garnet/Sloppy programming.
3. No G1 patch or app available.
4. poor backward compatibility with many OS5 apps.


RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
mikecane @ 5/13/2005 4:13:36 PM # Q
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the same laundry list. Me too. Just get in your damned car and get to that airport PalmOne Store and report back!

RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
E Ben G @ 5/13/2005 5:17:34 PM # Q
Does the fact that they are including a copy of WMP on the Essentials CD hint at anything? I guess they are just doing this because PocketTunes syncs with WMP...

Very cool find.

RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
mikecane @ 5/13/2005 5:46:45 PM # Q
There's no WMP on the device itself -- unless p1 intends to surprise us all by announcing they've licensed the file formats (WMV/WMA) from MS to use in their own Media app. Fat freaking chance.

Thank God we have Core now!

RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
JickBahTech @ 5/13/2005 6:57:26 PM # Q
Wow.
You can use ActiveSync. That's...great...I guess...
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
neilmitchell @ 5/13/2005 9:55:01 PM # Q
A couple of interesting notes:

* The PDF shows a depth of the device as 0.76" on the picture and 0.74" in the Feature Table of the same PDF. While 2/100th of an inch is a bit like p*ssing in the wind I hope the accuracy of the code running on the thing is better. Regardless this is too think for me - I am the executive geek - I want someting thin and no HDD that will get damaged when I drop the thing (which I will!). Strike 1.

* No cradle - just a cable. WHAT! On a (rumored to be) $499. Strike 2.

* The way PalmOne are going these days I would not be surprised to see the following feature bullet: "Ability to Search unlimited number of contacts" as a new feature as they fix the FIND bug. Speaking of which ... someone out there has one of these babies in their hands. Does it still have the bug? This could be the clincher...strike 3 or not?

I'm sure there are many this will be a good product for...I'm still waiting.

Neil

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RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
GrahamBM @ 5/14/2005 7:33:34 AM # Q
I want one :)

The Handheld Learning Forum

http://www.handheldlearning.co.uk/community/forum/

RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
Akula_dude @ 5/17/2005 3:33:55 PM # Q
Um, why does it have a app that says "Camera Companion" but no camera? That's what you get for cruddy project managing.
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/17/2005 10:26:23 PM # Q
Um, why does it have a app that says "Camera Companion" but no camera? That's what you get for cruddy project managing.

Maybe because you can use the LD as a storage device for photos by offloading them from your REAL digital camera to the LD. Sit down and S T F U. Please.



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WELL, WHERE IS IT?!!?

mikecane @ 5/16/2005 1:06:08 PM # Q
It's Monday and NO LifeDrive announcement!

What's going on here?!

Let's have that damned announcement already!

RE: WELL, WHERE IS IT?!!?
AdamaDBrown @ 5/16/2005 1:49:43 PM # Q
Patience, Curly. Give it two days.

RE: WELL, WHERE IS IT?!!?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/16/2005 2:14:40 PM # Q
Palm's D-Day commeth...

Cane: "At my signal, unleash hell."

No excuses this time, Palm. No excuses.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: WELL, WHERE IS IT?!!?
neilmitchell @ 5/17/2005 4:04:03 PM # Q
1Src captured PalmOne making a slip up on their web site...they quote...

PalmOne's Special Offers page shows that PalmOne will offer free overnight shipping for LifeDrive purchases.

This slip up officially confirms the LifeDrive rumors at last. 1SRC's anonymous source has told us that the LifeDrive is set to be launched tomorrow (Wednesday). We have created a new forum called "LifeDrive."

We have managed to take a snapshot of the page:

See more (including screen shot) at http://tinyurl.com/8cpha

BTW - PalmOne already removed the page but someone at 1Src got it captured.

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