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PalmSource today announced that David Nagel stepped down as president, chief executive officer and director of PalmSource, effective May 22, 2005, and Patrick McVeigh, currently senior vice president, worldwide licensing for PalmSource, has been named interim CEO. The board of directors has initiated a search for a permanent successor. Nagel will remain at PalmSource in an advisory role through mid-July 2005.
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David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 8:11:10 AM # Q
PalmSource CEO David Nagel Steps Down
Monday May 23, 7:43 am ET

David Nagel Steps Down As PalmSource President, Chief Executive Officer for Undisclosed Reasons*

"I want to thank Dave for playing an instrumental role in helping position PalmSource to be a major player in the worldwide mobile software market," said Jean-Louis Gassee, chairman of the PalmSource board of directors. "We appreciate that Dave is staying on to ensure a smooth transition and wish him the best in his future ventures."

[Translation through Babelfish's Press release -> English translator: "Off the record, that mofo messed us up. Real bad. God help us."]
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*"Undisclosed reasons" my a$$$. How about running the company into the ground for starters. Then there's the Cobalt Catastrophe. Then there's the loss of the most innovative licensee. Then there's the failure to attract any major new licensees in the past four years. Then there's...


McVeigh - who once headed the ill-fated Omnisky - seems to have been given the honor of going down with a sinking ship that was scuttled by Captain "Nero" Nagel. Lucky guy...

I can't wait to see Mike Cane have a seizure when he hears this. Medic!!!


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RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Sam H @ 5/23/2005 8:34:02 AM # Q
Great way to kick off the DevCon...

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
jkirvin @ 5/23/2005 9:34:38 AM # Q
Oy, when I saw this news this morning I'd forgotten DevCon starts up today, too. Should be interesting...

Gekko Gets His Wish!!
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 9:42:16 AM # Q
Hey, Nagel, you multiple-OS failing SOB! Will your next posting be at MICROSOFT?! Thanks for HELPING TO KILL A SUCCESSFUL PLATFORM, you rat b*st*rd!

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 9:45:29 AM # Q

I think the Board read my posts!



PalmOne -- ABSORB PalmSource **NOW**
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 9:45:34 AM # Q
BUY that effing company NOW! Kick out all the frikkin licensees (believe me, they'll be GLAD to be kicked out!). And GET RID OF THE GODDAMMED FRAM IN YOUR NEW DEVICES!

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 9:46:22 AM # Q
>"Will your next posting be at MICROSOFT?!"

Are you kidding? They'd NEVER have him.

Nagel's Night of the Long Knife
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 9:54:58 AM # Q
On Thursday, he was saying: "There is a growing market for open platforms and Linux is a key future player."

http://www.redherring.com/article.aspx?a=12129

On Friday, did they give you the Long Knife?

Let us know if he has the gall to show his face at the DevCon!

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 9:55:40 AM # Q
RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 9:57:58 AM # Q

MikeCon - what do you think the chances are of us seeing those 11 (ELEVEN) Cobalt devices in 2005 Nagel promised?

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
silkentiger @ 5/23/2005 10:00:39 AM # Q
Boy, I have to agree with the chorus of "good riddance" in this thread. Hopefully the new PSRC captain will right the sinking ship.

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 10:05:03 AM # Q
HAHAHAHAHA!!! I forgot all about The Famous Eleven!

Watch: There will NO talk of licensees.

NONE!!

PalmOne, BUY THAT DISASTER NOW BEFORE YOU SINK WITH IT!!

Coming Sooner? -- WinMob Treo Life Preserver?
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 10:06:15 AM # Q
Perhaps THIS is why p1 has been seen flirting with that cheap tart, WinMob, for a Treo? They saw PalmSource going down the drain before their very eyes and knew they'd need a life preserver!

Some "life preserver!"

Better you should do straight Linux!

Nagel replaces Yueh
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 10:09:27 AM # Q
In the classic novel "Dune," the traitor Yueh becomes a proverb: "A thousand deaths are not enough for Yueh."

Yueh, you've been replaced!!

A THOUSAND DEATHS ARE NOT ENOUGH FOR NAGEL!!

Let's start with ELEVEN!

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 10:42:17 AM # Q
I'm tempted to sign up for the DevCon just to see if Nagel shows up to kick off the week with his scheduled Keynote speech on Tuesday...


http://www.palmsource.com/events/devcon2005/agenda_tues.html


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Scott R @ 5/23/2005 10:49:36 AM # Q
I think splitting up palmOne and PalmSource was probably a bad move to begin with, but it may be too late for palmOne buying PalmSource to do any good. palmOne's latest efforts aren't that spectacular, IMO (Treo 600 designed by Handspring team was an overall more reliable and zen-like device than my Treo 650).

And then there's Tapwave. Where would that leave them? Ugh.

IMO, PalmSource should have just kept improving on the OS5 architecture and figured out a way to add multitasking support to that rather than spending so much time and money on these Cobalt and Linux endeavors.

http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 10:59:32 AM # Q
I think splitting up palmOne and PalmSource was probably a bad move to begin with, but it may be too late for palmOne buying PalmSource to do any good.

Right on both counts. Pure greed was behind the "split". Now it's time to pay the piper (or is it "pay the Reaper"?)

palmOne's latest efforts aren't that spectacular, IMO (Treo 600 designed by Handspring team was an overall more reliable and zen-like device than my Treo 650).

Bingo.

IMO, PalmSource should have just kept improving on the OS5 architecture and figured out a way to add multitasking support to that rather than spending so much time and money on these Cobalt and Linux endeavors.

Unfortunately, there's technically NO way for PalmOS 5 to truly multitask. PalmOS has already been stretched FAR beyond what it has any right to do and the cracks are starting to show. Handspring's TreoOS was a stunning hack of a creaky old OS, but further hacking would likely produce such an unstable OS that the whole thing would come down like a deck of cards.

PalmLinux was needed three years ago, but no one at Palm had the guts to commit to it until it was too late. That's the problem with companies full of yesmen like Palm's Apple Dumpling Gang - no one is willing to tell the truth.




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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

Give Gates a Heart Attack: The Big Merge
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 11:03:25 AM # Q
Fine! p1 will buy PSource *and* Tapwave, goddammit!

PSource to get control over the OS and to FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY put that effing Garnet out to pasture. And they can use the Tapwave brand to spit out Power User Turbo Products with *REAL RAM*. Let's start with the Zodiac 3: 128MB RealRAM, SDIO slot and CompactFlash slot (with a *real* stylus, *real* stylus silo, and NO damnable TT boingboing stylus!). I'll buy my OWN frikking GBs of memory, thank you!

They can keep their palmOne brand to churn out CrapRAM (TM, VOR) for the Unwashed Masses who get too drunk everyday to recharge at night.

I hope the PSource Board gets sued into sh*t!
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 11:22:33 AM # Q
WHERE the hell was their OVERSIGHT?! The stock is now ONE-FOURTH of what it was and will probably sink even further, faster.

PalmOne: HOSTILE TAKEOVER! It's the ONLY way to get rid of that goddammed incompetent Board!

Dammit, I *knew* Nagel wasn't All There when he made that moronic statement that POS was good enough to be put on notebooks.

The *second* clue came when *palmOne* (FINALLY!) saw the wisdom in putting in a file manager -- while the PSource Chorus kept insisting on that straitjacket, VFS!

The PPC Weenies must be breaking out the champagne over this.

Apple Uber Alles: Gekko's Nightmare Redux
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 12:17:23 PM # Q
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/4535/050523palmceo/

>>>Patrick McVeigh, 53, appointed in February as senior vice president, worldwide licensing for PalmSource, was named interim CEO in tandem with the board of directors' search for a permanent successor, it said.

THE KICKER:

>>>Before joining Palm, McVeigh spent over 10 years with Apple Computer Inc. in a variety of sales and marketing positions.

OMG: Is there a Nagel Gene?!!?
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 12:26:08 PM # Q
RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
dagwud @ 5/23/2005 1:30:54 PM # Q
To quote:

Dammit, I *knew* Nagel wasn't All There when he made that moronic statement that POS was good enough to be put on notebooks.

But it WAS good enough to be put on notebooks. It all depends on your definition of when "was" was. Heh.

Still, if they can come out with a "PalmOne Life" (That's "LifeDrive" minus the drive), they might encourage me to upgrade. After all, it's not a good sign when someone like me stopped upgrading 4 years ago.

--
Palm Pilot Pro -> III -> Vx -> m500 -> m515 -> ???

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Wollombi @ 5/23/2005 2:32:44 PM # Q
Oh yeah. I can see the advertising now...."Get a Life". =P

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There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Sam H @ 5/23/2005 3:13:24 PM # Q
Will your next posting be at MICROSOFT?!

'Jonah' Nagel at Microsoft? We can but dream. ;)

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 5:34:44 PM # Q
This is funny. Every one of these post is during normal business hours. How many of you people work for a living? Do your managers know what you do during the day? I find this amazing. Interesting too, sense nobody post during lunch, I guess you got off the board long enough to eat.
RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Surur @ 5/23/2005 5:46:21 PM # Q
At least they are all gainfully employed, unlike Nagel

Surur

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 5:58:27 PM # Q
Employed, maybe. Gainfully..not likely. Nagel..retired. Their all fired.."the Donald".
RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:04:29 PM # Q
That is the FIRST comment surur has ever posted that made me laugh!

Was benamy behind Nagel's "Retirement"?
Masamune @ 5/23/2005 6:28:18 PM # Q
I haven't seen the guy post on here for a while - and now Nagel goes....Is there a connection?

What you were saying about PalmOne buying Tapwave - it's not as crazy as it sounds. There was the statement from Tapwave saying that their technology would be put into non-Tapwave devices - you could see that beautiful 128Mb of Zodiac 2 RAM coming to a P1 handheld near you.....

As for the PSRC board, it reminds of something I read in Hitchhikers Guide..."The Guide defines the PSRC board as a bunch of mindless jerks who will be first against the wall when the revolution comes."

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
AdamaDBrown @ 5/23/2005 6:36:08 PM # Q
Will your next posting be at MICROSOFT?!

Why not? Utter cluelessness, no feel for the market, stumbling from one idea to the next, no idea what customers want, and blindly trying to find something successful? Sounds like the picture of a potential Microsoft executive to me. Just don't stick him in the Windows Mobile division, they've been doing pretty well lately.

Sales Success?
Timothy Rapson @ 5/23/2005 7:52:36 PM # Q
Would you consider yourself successful if you were CEO of a software company whose highest end new growth product has been 3 years in the making and sold how many copies? ZERO?!
I just hope they didn't pay Nagel a lot of money. They did? Oh, so that is why the LifeDrive cost $500 and both PalmOne and PalmSource are barely making money and often losing money while rapidly losing market share? They meant to spend some money on delivering actual successful products, really they did. But, instead they spent it all on exec pay, percs, and parachutes.
So long Nagel, and probably so long Palm for this increasingly unsatisfied Palm user.


RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
cbowers @ 5/23/2005 8:16:45 PM # Q
"How many of you people work for a living? Do your managers know what you do during the day? I find this amazing. "

BTW my employer appreciates your concern and would like your morality police badge number so they can give proper credit.

Gekko: Do the math
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 8:26:52 PM # Q
Didn't I read somewhere that p1's contract with PSource comes with a *guaranteed* payment of $40M to PS, despite what p1's sales might be?

How much would it cost for p1 to do a hostile takeover of PS at its current stock price?

(Come on, Larry Ellison! Buy them ALL! Make another one of my Predictions come true!)

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 8:31:28 PM # Q

PSRC current market cap is about $150M.

Write the check, Con, and she's all yours!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PSRC&d=t



RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
AdamaDBrown @ 5/23/2005 8:46:04 PM # Q
Mike, that's correct. Minimum $40 million a year, regardless of sales or anything else.

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Surur @ 5/23/2005 8:47:52 PM # Q
OR they could save $40 million by switching.

There is such a thing as throwing good money after bad...

Surur

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
svrontis @ 5/24/2005 1:27:55 AM # Q
Switching? Like Acer, you mean? They got sued for breaching their contract with PalmSource and they had to settle. Worse for them, they switched to a poor-excuse-for an operating system. Aside from all obvious problems with WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever, Acer found themselves in the position where the operating system restrictions forced them into making units which were indistinguishable from those sold by players like HP - which meant that, from a marketing perspective, Acer could not hold themselves out as offering a compelling alternative. I don't recall seeing any statistics on how well they have done since their switch, but they seem to be concentrating their efforts on Tablet PCs these days.

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Surur @ 5/24/2005 2:30:27 AM # Q

You do know you've hit the nail on the head, don't you.

Due to the software platform being the same, Wm OEM's had to compete on hardware features and price. On the POS side they seemed to love adding software extensions which made the various OS's incompatible for apps.

Is there anything special about the Acer version of tablet pc? Or are their devices just lighter and cheaper?

Surur

And I was worried I wouldn't have a new toy to biotch slap!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 3:05:05 AM # Q
Now that BubbaSteve annd Kirvin ran off to their mamas screaming hysterically I was worried no one else would step up and put on the dumba$$ crown. No need to worry - db's here from the dumba$$ temp agency to fill in:

dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 5:34:44 PM

This is funny. Every one of these post is during normal business hours. How many of you people work for a living? Do your managers know what you do during the day? I find this amazing. Interesting too, sense nobody post during lunch, I guess you got off the board long enough to eat.

Some of us were off work today. Others ARE the boss and make their own hours. Others are smart enough to know how to multitask. Others have break time when they can do whatever they want to do. I understand this is not the reality for you in Stalag 17, Comrade, but remember: your pathetic reality is not the norm.

P.S. Please learn how to spell. Your cluelessness may be endearing to your Mommy, but it undermines any points you potentially (well... not really) could have made.


Surur @ 5/23/2005 5:46:21 PM

At least they are all gainfully employed, unlike Nagel

Surur

Surur seems to be specializing in savage backhand biotchslaps these days. Nice to see he's not one to kick a bad man when he's down (in Nagel's case, down packing his golden parachute).



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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

A few juicy nuggets from the start of Palm's DevCon
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 4:24:08 AM # Q
Someone somewhere just came back from San Jose where DevCon started today. A few tidbits from the combined PUG meeting:

1) Nagel actually showed up. Looked like a beaten man + tried to sound upbeat. He'll still do part of the keynote speech, Colligan will probably come in to relieve him.

2) Palm is aware of the negative press and their reps must have said 3 or 4 time that rumors of their demise were greatly exaggerated. McDonnell's presentation failed to back up that claim.

3) PDA geek women are hideous.

4) PalmGear's Kenny West leaves an oil slick everywhere he slithers.

5) PDA geek men are hideous. And the local rep from the San Francisco PUG was the caricature of a PDA nerd. Scary.

6) Aceeca's Kiwi reps were the only cool reps in the house.

7) Bombshell: The Tungsten C is officially DEAD. No replacement. Palm feels the LifeDrive is its replacement!

8) Get 20% off at Handango at palm.handango.com


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
svrontis @ 5/24/2005 5:58:44 AM # Q
> You do know you've hit the nail on the head, don't you.

Yes.

It seems that you accept that the restrictions of WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever result in relatively homogeneous offerings by producers of devices which run that software. M$ is forcing them to produce 'vanilla' devices - some slight variations on the theme are permitted, but not much. (Contrast this with with POS - I think you would accept that a Zire is different from a Treo, which is different from a Zodiac, which is in turn different from a Garmin.)

What does this mean?

For a user - M$ restrictions generally mean less diversity, that is, there is a lesser chance that your particular requirements may be met by some enterprising manufacturer.

For the producer - it makes it hard to distinguish your device from a competitors. As you say, competition is limited to minor tweaks on features/form factor and price. Competing on price is the fast lane to bankruptcy, unless your costs of production are much lower than the other guy's. Achieving lower production costs is not normally possible for a new entrant, because production runs are relatively small. Also, if you are new entrant in the market, your only real chance against the dominant players is to offer a unit which is (or looks) better in some material way - that's hard to do with M$'s restrictions. So, over time, new entrants in the market will be discouraged, smaller players will be squeezed out and the big players (like HP) will increasingly corner the market.

Finally, I don't agree with your point about software compatibility. Developers for WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever units complain constantly that they have to produce different versions of their software for each iteration of that operating system (and, it seems, many of them refuse to do so). For POS, however, if there is a new version of an application which has been made to run on OS5.4, normally it will run OK on an older device (but not necessarily the other way round, as users of the T5 would testify). So users can often get the benefit of new software features, without the need to upgrade their palmpilot.

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
Surur @ 5/24/2005 8:18:15 AM # Q
Thats all in theory. In practice the standardization and the inherent capabilities of the OS has lowered the barrier of entry to new OEM's to a very low level. This has resulted in a plethora of OEM's serving all kind of niche markets. It has become as simple as producing a white box PC. If OEM's dont want to make Pocket PC's they have always had access to Win CE, and could tinker to their hearts content due to the shared source program. I think there is a win ce platform which covers all niche areas, from laptop replacement to in-car computers to gaming machines.

Most Pocketpc software has been forward compatible (ie. old software works) and it seems most people seem to upgrade their devices regularly enough. A poll at PPC thoughts with 1400 respondents showed 80% on the 2003 + OS. It can be argued that these are the geeks in any case, but its also the people buying new software who developers care about.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40091&highlight=poll++2002

MS has recently loosened restrictions on the OEMs, especially regarding screen size and resolution. This loosening clearly has its plus and minus points, and we will see how things work out in the future. This has resulted in odd devices such as the HP6700 with a 240x240 screen, and of course the very successful XDA JAM with a full resolution but very small screen.

The short of it is that the OEM's appear to be quite happy with the situation, such that unknown players like Medion have been able to compete directly with HP and Dell, mainly due to hardware innovation.

Surur

Juicy nuggets from the start of Palm's DevCon - addendum
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 10:44:42 AM # Q
That Handango site might not be active yet.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: David Nagel leaving PalmSource. Too late to matter?
mikecane @ 5/24/2005 1:10:26 PM # Q
>>>PSRC current market cap is about $150M.

-- then WTF did p1 just agree to pay **close** to that for LICENSE RENEWAL? I hope that is CONVERTIBLE to an ACQUISITION!!

Dammit, I'd call Larry Ellison but I lost his number when my PIII crashed several years ago. Gekko -- you go ahead and do it!

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

dave-the-ex-palm-guy @ 5/23/2005 12:48:42 PM # Q
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Now let's see if we can get something done....

RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
fishtastic @ 5/23/2005 12:52:22 PM # Q
Not a great loss, is it. Hopefully PS will produce a proper, well thought out, timetabled plan rather than the headless chicken dance they have been doing recently.

Come on PS, don't die. We need you to live or the only PDAs will be Winmobile. If PS fails you will only have yourselves to blame. Palm(S&O) has a following of devoted users who have given you the benefit of the doubt through many dubious product releases (or not released in some cases).

You are at the last chance saloon boys, grab a drink and then come out fighting with something decent. If you don't, well so long, I wish you luck in the job searches.

Fish

RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Scott R @ 5/23/2005 1:14:47 PM # Q
Not sure if this is good news for Zodiac users. One article I read indicated that Nagel wasn't spending enough time focusing on the wireless phone market and that the new guy (who's filling in for now - perhaps permanently) has helped to score new licensees in that area. From where I'm standing as a Zodiac user, it looked to me like they were spending *too much* time focusing on the cellphone market the last year and had been neglecting licensees (like Tapwave) that weren't in that boat. I guess we'll see.

http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -
RE: Let's not celebrate quite so fast, kiddies...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 2:40:17 PM # Q
Not sure if this is good news for Zodiac users. One article I read indicated that Nagel wasn't spending enough time focusing on the wireless phone market and that the new guy (who's filling in for now - perhaps permanently) has helped to score new licensees in that area. From where I'm standing as a Zodiac user, it looked to me like they were spending *too much* time focusing on the cellphone market the last year and had been neglecting licensees (like Tapwave) that weren't in that boat. I guess we'll see.

Traditional PDAs are a zero growth market. Palm should have been focusing most of its resources on creating a FULL line of smartphones and keeping the carriers happy. THAT'S how Palm will survive. Most of the people the Palm companies have added in recent months either have connections to the cellphone industry or are committed to focusing on making Palm attractive to carriers. Unfortunately, that 18 month lead over competitors that Handspring had handed to Palm two years ago has now been squandered...



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RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Scott R @ 5/23/2005 2:57:00 PM # Q
"Traditional PDAs are a zero growth market. Palm should have been focusing most of its resources on creating a FULL line of smartphones and keeping the carriers happy."

Maybe, maybe not. But the Zodiac isn't a "traditional PDA." There sure seems to be a lot of buzz these days about the Sony PSP's non-gaming capabilities. With a bit more support from the group that's *supposed* to be supporting its licensees, I think that Tapwave would be sitting a bit prettier these days.

Imagine if instead of wasting so much of their resources on Cobalt, PalmSource would have spent time creating a killer web browsing engine and WiFi drivers for all of the OS5 licensees so that they didn't have to do it themselves?

Or how about PalmSource making an OS5 Outlook sync solution as well as Mac and Linux syncing so that the licensees didn't have to license those from someone else (or build their own)?

Nope. Instead, PalmSource focused on Cobalt and neglected OS5 and now they're going full-steam ahead with Linux.

http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -

Tapwave has no one to blame but itself
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 3:14:00 PM # Q
"Traditional PDAs are a zero growth market. Palm should have been focusing most of its resources on creating a FULL line of smartphones and keeping the carriers happy."

Maybe, maybe not. But the Zodiac isn't a "traditional PDA." There sure seems to be a lot of buzz these days about the Sony PSP's non-gaming capabilities. With a bit more support from the group that's *supposed* to be supporting its licensees, I think that Tapwave would be sitting a bit prettier these days.

Nonsense. Tapwave's business model was doomed to fail from Day 1. And when Sony's PSP was announced, the nails were pounded into the Tapwave coffin even faster. PalmSource has made a LOT of mistakes, but they aren't to blame for Tapwave's incompetent planning.

Tapwave should have released the Z2 and a second business-oriented model with the Z2 specs in a Tungsten 5 case. The latter would have been a smash hit. Instead, the vultures are now circling, waiting to feast on Tapwave's caracass when the closeouts on the Z2 are announced.




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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 5:49:54 PM # Q
What is up with this Voice of Reason character? What a blow hard. Waxing poetic on company time. How do you get any productive work done? You need to be on the next episode of "Intervention". Get into a twelve step program to ween yourself off the board. Go back to work you tool!!!
RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:06:16 PM # Q
This guy db seems to be obsessed with our employment. Is he one of those ****roaches otherwise known as a Recruiter? Go play with your Rolodex, pal!

RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 6:09:35 PM # Q
Hay numbnuts, your pal is dangling!
RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:17:15 PM # Q
At least it CAN!

RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 6:21:19 PM # Q
Do you "say hello to your LITTLE friend...or was that your buddy Reason?
RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:26:17 PM # Q
Will someone tell this pissant amateur to buzz off before I *seriously* reply?

RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 6:29:41 PM # Q
Go ahead boyee, get serious, like your favorite blow up doll!!!
Daaaavey, where's Goliath?
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:33:43 PM # Q
What kind of a prat is this Davey (that's not even a MAN's name) Moyers the II (he's not even an ORIGINAL!)? Let me see...

>>>With the current rigors of business, one needs to have a strong since of self, a game plan, and the desire to pursue contining education on a persaonal level. The ability to sense when a given technology or opportunity can be applied to business in such a way as to either increase revenue or reduce cost. Experience and a mentor can go along way. Build a team of your peers to explore new ways of doing business. Test your ideas with rigor, be candid, open, explore, make mistakes and learn. In the end, have fun, grow, develop, and you will prosper. Experience is still the best teacher. And if what you seek reuires an MBA, perhaps you should reevaluate.
Davey B. Moyers, II dbmoyers2@comcast.net
Sales and Marketing - Jacksonville, FL

http://www.fastcompany.com/poll/?x=939

Hmmmm.... same time zone as me. "Sales and Marketing" -- euphemism for UNEMPLOYED.

NEXT!

Oh Daaaaavey!
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:36:32 PM # Q
RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 6:38:42 PM # Q
The first intellegent post of the day!
RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:41:15 PM # Q
Certainly none of YOURS have been. And seeing that you spell it "intellegent," it's no wonder you're in a position where you use your mouth and not a keyboard.

Your profile says 2 posts a day. You don't have much to say. But when you DO say it, everyone finds out you have even LESS to say!

RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 6:41:18 PM # Q
Your only intelligent post...and I wrote it.
RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 7:32:04 PM # Q
Cane.. I gotta admit, the daveyandgoliath.org was good...touche'
RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
AdamaDBrown @ 5/23/2005 8:30:32 PM # Q
Zero growth market, VoR? You haven't been paying attention. Dell and HP have both experienced sales growth, Dell even more so, despite not having any 'converged' devices. (Or at least none worth mentioning, for HP.) Phone devices other than the Treo continue to sell poorly in North America, and most of the converged devices in Europe are--wait for it--PocketPC phones, which anyone will tell you are more PocketPC than phone. Even PalmOne, despite their Treo focus, has done better than usual in the low-end and low-mid market. (Though some flops in the upper-mid and top range segments reduce the overall increase in pure handheld sales.)

Traditional handhelds continue to outsell smartphones by wide margins, and most of the more interesting devices tend to get neutered by carriers or else delayed to death. This is your growth market?

RE: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Foo Fighter @ 5/24/2005 12:05:24 AM # Q
>> "Dell and HP have both experienced sales growth, Dell even more so, despite not having any 'converged' devices."

That doesn't imply a growing market. HP and Dell are gobbling up Sony's vacant share of the market, while picking up some from PalmOne as well. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same kind of success you experience when a rising tide floats all boats. The real growth category now is clearly Smartphones. If you don't believe me, just look at Blackberry sales.

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Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com
Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com

Davey B. [for Boy] Moyers, II - a.k. a. Wavy Gravy Davey
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 3:45:24 AM # Q
Awwwww Cane, I wanted to biotch slap Little Davey Boy! No fair!

I guess that "with the current rigors of business, one needs to have a strong since of self, a game plan, and the desire to pursue contining education on a persaonal [sic] level". If only I could find some dumba$$ Sales and Marketing (S&M) twit to help me...

Come to think of it, this guy sounds like just what "Nero" Nagel needed at PalmSource over the past few years. "The ability to sense when a given technology or opportunity can be applied to business in such a way as to either increase revenue or reduce cost." Sounds like the marketing pitch for push email...

With the current rigors of business, one needs to have a strong since of self, a game plan, and the desire to pursue contining education on a persaonal level. The ability to sense when a given technology or opportunity can be applied to business in such a way as to either increase revenue or reduce cost. Experience and a mentor can go along way. Build a team of your peers to explore new ways of doing business. Test your ideas with rigor, be candid, open, explore, make mistakes and learn. In the end, have fun, grow, develop, and you will prosper. Experience is still the best teacher. And if what you seek reuires an MBA, perhaps you should reevaluate.
Davey B. Moyers, II dbmoyers2@comcast.net
Sales and Marketing - Jacksonville, FL

Time for you to S T F U, Davey-poo.


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Good riddance, you FRAUD!

mikecane @ 5/23/2005 12:49:04 PM # Q
Whether you quit before being discovered or were fired after being discovered, it matters not.

As long as you're GONE!

Thanks for the sabotage, you creep.

Microsoft couldn't have done better.

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YES

eston @ 5/23/2005 12:51:34 PM # Q
Good riddance Mr. Yankow... er, I mean Mr. Nagel. (They're all the same...)

..: eston
http://www.hyalineskies.com/
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Things are looking up...

cbowers @ 5/23/2005 12:53:20 PM # Q
The first sign that PalmSource listens to its customers...

RE: Things are looking up...
jkirvin @ 5/24/2005 12:51:22 PM # Q
As long as your keep in mind that we are NOT PalmSource's customers. The device makers are PalmSource's customers.

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Please, No more '90s Era Apple-Rejects!

Gekko @ 5/23/2005 1:26:18 PM # Q
RE: Please, No more '90s Era Apple-Rejects!
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 1:28:39 PM # Q
Hey, Mace! Spin this!!
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 2:18:30 PM # Q
Who Killed Apple Computer?
Author: Michael Mace
--Because cooperation is essential to success, you have to welcome the ideas of others, search for their good parts, and find ways to build a common agenda.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2899

-- now tell all of us HOW FRICKIN HARD #3 IS!!!

And Ed Colligan -- are you reading this?! 32K Memos, 1K Clipboard!! GET REAL!!! DELIGHT THE FEKKIN CUSTOMER!!!

>wiping the foam from my mouth<

In case you didn't notice, Palm ONLY hires crApple rejects..
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 2:53:41 PM # Q
Down, Boy! Heel! Sit!

On my command, attack the Palm Board of Directors and tear them apart!

Good Lord, Cane. The rabies vaccine obviously didn't work for you. Too bad you can't join me at DevCon. I'd love to see security take you down when you make a lunge for Poor Ol' Nero Nagel...

Security #1: "What's with the little old guy frothing and screaming at Mr. Nagel?"

Security #2: "I don't know, but Mr. Gassee says we need to take him down with "extreme prejudice"... Let's roll.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: Please, No more '90s Era Apple-Rejects!
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:08:07 PM # Q
Gassee I could talk to. We share Gallic blood. He'd have me running that company in no time. That's why I don't dare show up at the DevCon. I have enough to do as it is!

Unleash the Beast!
Masamune @ 5/23/2005 7:12:14 PM # Q
ROTFLMAO!

God, wouldn't Mike and Nagel in the same room make for some interesting photos.

Maybe now Nagel's gone, things will start looking up for PalmSource. After all, after Nagel left Apple turned out OS X, the Mac Mini and the iPod range. I know you're not a particularly big fan Voice, but even you can't deny that things got better once the Unholy One left.

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Pre-emptive strike

mikecane @ 5/23/2005 2:22:03 PM # Q
"It's always darkest before..."

AW, SHADDUP!!

RE: Pre-emptive strike
LiveFaith @ 5/23/2005 7:17:43 PM # Q
It's always darkest, just before ... IT GOES PITCH BLACK!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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Mace: "There are NO WMD OSes in PalmSource! NONE!"

mikecane @ 5/23/2005 2:30:00 PM # Q
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2966

PalmSource: One on One with Mike Mace
Posted By: Ed on Friday, February 08, 2002 3:59:52 PM

When Dave Nagel came in, some of the people who know industry history said, "Wait a minute, this is the guy who was at Apple for the Copeland project", which was this enormous effort to completely rewrite the entire MacOS all at once. It failed. So when Dave came into Palm, people said, "Oh my God, is he going to do the same thing at Palm that he did at Apple?"

I'll tell you what Dave did when he got to Palm. He said, "I see you are planning on doing an entire comprehensive rewrite of the operating system all at once. My life experience tells me that that's not a very good idea. We should look to prioritize things and move into a series of releases that happen faster."

So in a lot of ways the things that people were dinging us for and saying "Oh no, they are going to repeat that stuff" is exactly the experience that Dave is using as a lodestone and telling them what not to do.

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To quote the guy you obviously studied under:

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

-- may your stomach roast in hell!

Calling Palm's Foreign Minister: Michaeal Mace...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 3:41:37 PM # Q
http://tinyurl.com/6lhzs

http://www.palmgear.cn/soft/download.asp?softname=Deathless&file=49156.&save=deathless.zip&url=1


By the way, anyone heard from the Mace Man recently? Palm's own Iraqi Foreign Minister is supposed to talk at DevCon, but I wonder if there's a death pool for him too...

Be careful, Michael! One of the WMfuD might blow up in your face! Remember, Mace Man: I'm watching you. I think I'll get your autograph at DevCon...


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: Mace:
cbowers @ 5/23/2005 4:01:43 PM # Q
And so Cobalt=Copeland

Is Palm on Linux our MacOSX? Maybe if it too had come out several years ago.

RE: Mace:
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 7:52:40 PM # Q

MikeCon - nice find.

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana



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Nagel: Terrorist or just an Errorist?

mikecane @ 5/23/2005 2:43:45 PM # Q
http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Sony+gives+PalmSource+a+financial+hand/2100-1040_3-961189.html

Sony gives PalmSource a financial hand

PalmSource CEO David Nagel told CNET News.com in August that the company was looking for outside funding to prepare PalmSource for independent life. At the time, Nagel said PalmSource was looking to have cash equal to about three-quarters of to one times its annual revenue. That would translate to about $60 million to $80 million.

Nagel said in an interview Tuesday that he was pleased with the implied valuation the Sony investment gives the OS unit.

"We think that all of Palm is significantly undervalued," he said. "This is about right for PalmSource."

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http://www.computerweekly.com/Article125699.htm

PalmSource CEO gets excited by 3G

The battle, according to Nagel, will be fought around the range of applications available to consumers and enterprise users alike.

"The winners will be those who deliver the most and the richest," he said. "The 'killer application' will be diversity."

Nagel said PalmSource's strength is its open platform which has attracted more than 275,000 software developers to create almost 200,000 applications.

"Open platforms are so much more efficient at garnering third-party development," he said. "Anyone who is discriminate will choose a product with a same-priced software platform that offers choice versus one that doesn't.

"As for Linux, yes it's open but architecturally complex -- a tough operating system for human beings," Nagel said. "It's not clear to me that Linux is tameable for consumer products."

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http://www.comdex.com/news/lasvegas2003/features/index.php?s=common&c=nagel_keynote

PalmSource’s Nagel shares spotlight in collaborative keynote

Prior to the keynote, COMDEX VP and GM Eric Faurot delivered a warm introduction of Nagel: "The thing you need to know about David is that he's considerably smarter than everyone in this room," Faurot said. "And he's nicer, too."

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And please DON'T bother with your memoirs, pal. You can't cut it there, either --

The true artist will let his wife starve, his children go barefoot, his mother drudge for his living at seventy, sooner than work at anything but his art.
-- Bernard Shaw
-- quoted in "Kill Your Darlings" - Terence Blacker


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PalmSource now profitable...

twalk @ 5/23/2005 4:10:43 PM # Q
By rough figures (that I got from someone else...):

Nagel: 8.5M
PS: 72M
Reported loss: 3M

Seems to me that PS will now be profitable by 5.5M...


RE: PalmSource now profitable...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/23/2005 4:17:18 PM # Q
We do not yet know what his "consultant fee" is til mid-July since, for some unknown reason (...), PalmSource has yet to file the 8k.

Don't count those pennies yet!

RE: PalmSource now profitable...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/23/2005 7:34:18 PM # Q
Interestingly, PalmSource STILL has not filed the 8k.

Why do I PSRC-pessimistically think this means it's gonna be a shocker?

RE: PalmSource now profitable...ya sure?
SeldomVisitor @ 5/24/2005 6:36:48 AM # Q
== "...benefits included a payment of two hundred
== percent of annual base salary, payment of one
== hundred percent of the target annual bonus,
== acceleration of two years vesting of stock options,
== payment of health, dental and vision benefits premiums
== for two full years and a prorated annual
== bonus calculated at one hundred percent of
== the unpaid target level bonus under the
== PalmSource FY2005 Bonus Plan..."

Whatta game!

Profitable indeed!

PalmSource now profitable... until Nagel gets $10 million...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 10:55:10 PM # Q
Nagel's separation bonus: $10 million. How golden is your parachute?

Suckers.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Where does this leave Palm OS-for-Linux?

Sam H @ 5/23/2005 4:11:54 PM # Q
If PalmSource are still going ahead with PalmLinux then Nagel's replacement will need to be someone who understands how to deal with the open source community.

RE: Where does this leave PalmLinux™? TOAST.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 4:20:14 PM # Q
Sorry to burst your bubble, but PalmLinux™ will go down with Copeland, BeOS, and Cobalt as another grand design that ultimately failed because the parent company ran out of time/patience/money.

Things are getting desperate (and nasty!) at PalmSource - true characters are beginning to show. The China MobileSoft collaboration isn't much of a collaboration and PalmSource likely won't be able to cobble together a stable version of PalmLinux until at least 2007. PalmOS 5 should be renamed "ZombieOS: the OS that refused to die!" It was supposed to last a year or two and now will last at least five years.

And PalmLinux has little to do with open source. Palm is just leeching the kernel, drivers, etc. and won't be giving much back.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

RE: Where does this leave Palm OS-for-Linux?
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:10:52 PM # Q
It's time to play the Trolltech Card, dammit!

http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/pda.html

p1: You're MORE than a frikkin licensee. You CREATED the damned look&feel&GUI. Port the PIMs!

RE: Where does this leave Palm OS-for-Linux?
viqsi @ 5/24/2005 8:19:31 AM # Q
QTopia? Er, I'd prefer not; last I checked, the UI remains worse than WinMobile. (Heck, it's why the Opie project started)

--
Of course, I don't know how interesting any of this really is, but now you've got it in your brain cells so you're stuck with it. --Gary Larson
RE: Where does this leave Palm OS-for-Linux?
mikecane @ 5/24/2005 1:14:18 PM # Q
p1 can tart QTopia up. It would work. And they'd have it done and out faster than than stuff from China!

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It's time for palmOne to buy palmSource back...

vesther @ 5/23/2005 4:48:31 PM # Q
...or at least re-merge with PalmSource.

I knew that David Nagel would be disciplined sooner or later....

Powered by Palm OS since March 2002

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Nagel was simply a Con Artist

Gekko @ 5/23/2005 5:08:56 PM # Q

Microsoft with 18%, PalmSource with 10.5%
Gekko @ 4/27/2005 11:58:46 AM

Listen to the bell, Nagel - it tolls for thee!

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RE: Microsoft with 18%, PalmSource with 10.5%
Gekko @ 4/27/2005 5:35:15 PM


To the Palm/Nagel Apologists - So when should Nagel get fired? Should the Board wait until PSRC is at 0% market share?????? Is this what you're waiting for? It won't be long now. What will you say then?

"An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."

The trend is clear, PSRC is screwed.

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RE: Microsoft with 18%, PalmSource with 10.5%
Gekko @ 4/27/2005 5:45:10 PM


So on 9-24-04, Nagel says:

"If you want to make a wireless data device, it will be much simpler, faster in the future than it was in the past (with Cobalt)." - Oh really? How come no smartphone makers agree?

"PalmOS has 29% worlwide smartphone marketshare" - And you squander it away.

"Cobalt is "the first PalmOS designed specifically to support phones" - Does anyone care?

"We think we're just about to blow this industry open." - You're a CON ARTIST.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/29/palmsource_cobalt/

http://biz.yahoo.com/t/46/3395.html

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http://palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7788



RE: Nagel was simply a Con Artist
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 5:18:06 PM # Q
More B.S. for Wall Street
Gekko @ 2/16/2005 8:50:53 AM


This is merely another attempt by Nagel et al to throw some more shiit against the wall so they can have one more B.S. story to tell Wall Street analysts and try to get/keep the stock price up so they can continue to milk everything to the last drop off the teat.

They have nothing real going on so the Investor Relations Dept. directed by Nagel comes up with these BS Press Releases so they can continue to tell some kind of story rather than everyone see they are STAGNANT. I repeat STAGNANT. Nobody wants Cobalt, nobody will want PalmLinux, and nobody wants any of this crap. It's all SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

Nagel's Motto: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BULLSHIIT!!!"

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7600

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happy bitrthday to me

legodude522 @ 5/23/2005 5:53:29 PM # Q
My b-day present has arrived. [Hint 522]

RE: happy bitrthday to me
dbmoyers2 @ 5/23/2005 6:03:38 PM # Q
Congradulations! and many more to you!
RE: happy bitrthday to me
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:14:41 PM # Q
>quivering<

Uhhh...lego, what kind of parents do you have that they can give you someone's head on a stick for a birthday present?! PLEASE don't ask for ME for XMas/Chanukkah/Kwanzaa!

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Why now?

JarJar @ 5/23/2005 6:19:32 PM # Q
Enough with the public displays of belligerence. Name calling doesn't solve anything.

Anybody know why Nagel resigns now? (Instead of a month later after Palm Source Conference or perhaps a month earlier) There doesn't seem to be any good reason to kill the whole conference which is their yearly pep rally. Whether or not you like Nagel, this is terrible timing for Palm.

Was he forced to leave now? Did he do it out of spite?

RE: Why now?
LiveFaith @ 5/23/2005 7:24:18 PM # Q
Maybe this WAS the best cheerleading for DevCon?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Why now?
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 8:20:49 PM # Q
WHY did he go NOW?

Because he knew when he took the podium on Tuesday he'd have to ADMIT THERE WERE NO ELEVEN NEW LICENSEES!

Let's see if ANY new ones are trotted out this week!

RE: Why now?
ocspub @ 5/24/2005 1:50:33 AM # Q
> Because he knew when he took the podium on Tuesday he'd
> have to ADMIT THERE WERE NO ELEVEN NEW LICENSEES!

Well, Mike, looks like he will still take the podium on Tuesday (it's still on the agenda). And he did take the podium tonight (Monday) at the annual PUG opening event for PalmSource.

Oliver


Visit www.tapland.com for Zodiac news and discussion.

RE: Why now?
mikecane @ 5/24/2005 1:15:40 PM # Q
And no one had the frikkin guts to THROW anything at him? Wusses. This OS has no future. The devs have no nuggets.

RE: Why now?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 10:59:16 PM # Q
And no one had the frikkin guts to THROW anything at him? Wusses. This OS has no future. The devs have no nuggets.

Nagel looked like like a beaten man. Reminded me of a POW dragged out to read his captor's propaganda.

The room was 95% Palm User Group members from a few of the PUGs in Northern California. Or more accurately, a bunch of nerds looking to score some free stuff (4 or 5 Treos, a couple Zodiacs, around 100 software packages, bags, shirts*). Most poeple didn't know he was leaving until it was announced. I had him right in my sights, Cane, but then Kenny West stood in front of him and I couldn't decide who the best target was.

I apologize. I have failed you all...



*One of the TVoR Posse members didn't want their software coupons, Cane. Let me know if you want Aeroplayer and some other crap.


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RE: Why now?
mikecane @ 5/25/2005 3:31:13 PM # Q
>>>I apologize. I have failed you all...

No apologies necessary, provided that you DID bite down on that cyanide-filled tooth we gave you...

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My God! We're being translated into JAPANESE!!

mikecane @ 5/23/2005 6:30:59 PM # Q
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Benhamou's Fault

Gekko @ 5/23/2005 6:20:35 PM # Q

I blame this all on Eric Benhamou. This mofo hired Yankowski, Nagel, and the rest of the Apple-rejects. And now he's got that other loser, Jean-Louis Gassée, as Chairman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%E9e

They all deserve to be pushed out of the industry. It's business, not personal - I hate them all.



RE: Benhamou's Fault
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 8:09:38 PM # Q
Of course it's Benhamou! It's been him from the beginning!

Didn't you ever see "Glen and Glenda?"

==========

http://www.dvdmaniacs.net/Reviews/E-H/glen_or_glenda.htm

The film starts off as a man (Bela Lugosi) is looking over the world. He looks at people of today’s world and sees nothing but trouble. Everyone in his eyes is doing wrong and the world is becoming a toilet. It seems Lugosi is suppose to be playing God and here’s some of his dialogue:

"Bevare! Bevare of the big green dragon that sits on your doorstep. He eats little boys, puppy dog tails, and big fat snails. Bevare. Take care. Bevare!"

"Pull the strings! Pull! Pull the strings!

===========

It's been his model since he saw it as a kid!

Keep pulling those strings, Eric! But for God's sake, get a new dress!!

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Don't Cry for Nagel

Gekko @ 5/23/2005 7:59:40 PM # Q

If Palm or Newco terminates your employment relationship without cause, you shall be paid all base salary and your prorated bonus calculated at 100% of target or greater percentage if then applicable through the date of termination in addition to any other amounts then earned, vested or due, including but not limited to stock, expenses, vacation, sabbatical and other benefits. In addition, you shall be paid an amount equal to two hundred percent (200%) your then current annual salary and your then current annual bonus calculated at one hundred percent (100%) of target in a lump sum. Newco shall also accelerate the vesting of your initial Newco option grant as if you had continued as an employee of Newco for two additional years following your termination, and shall continue all medical, dental and related benefits at active employee rates for two years from your termination. Furthermore, Palm shall accelerate the vesting of your Stock Grant as if you had continued as an employee for two additional years following your date of termination and shall make any required cash payment if your Restricted Stock Grants are less than $2 million on the date of termination, and such amount has not been paid. Finally, your obligation, if any, to repay the Sign-On/Retention Bonus shall be waived. The above amounts and benefits paid or extended to you upon Newco’s termination of your employment relationship without Cause shall hereinafter be referred to as “Severance Benefits.”

http://cobrands.contracts.findlaw.com/agreements/palm/nagel.emp.2001.09.13.html

RE: Don't Cry for Nagel
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 8:08:21 PM # Q
Ah, phooey. I say he RESIGNED. Null and void, the above is (getting in my Yoda-speak, not that I'd go *see* that thing...).

RE: Don't Cry for Nagel
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 8:10:31 PM # Q

>"Ah, phooey. I say he RESIGNED."

Nagel's dumb, but he ain't that dumb. Nobody walks away from that kind of loot - especially at 60+ years old. I think he hung on long enough *hoping* to get fired - just so he could get his lump sum. I can't say I blame him.

This isn't personal. I don't want the guy and his family to starve. But I'd be pissed right now if I was a shareholder. The guy was a disaster.



RE: Don't Cry for Nagel
mikecane @ 5/23/2005 8:18:27 PM # Q
Listen: His kind *never* starve, though they often *deserve* to. The damage they do to the *competent* goes on forever.

He wasn't pushed. He FLED. He knew he'd HAVE to account for all his BS. The Day of Reckoning was upon him.

RE: Don't Cry for Nagel
Gekko @ 5/23/2005 8:21:00 PM # Q

Mike - let me tell you something - CEOs never leave on their own. It's too expensive for them. They wait to get pushed out - and get the "terminated without cause" golden parachute - in exchange for keeping their mouth shut. I know you are far, far away from corporate America, but please don't be so naive. Nobody walks away from a $600-700,000 a year salary and multi-million dollar stock options.

http://www.companypay.com/executive/compensation/palmsource_inc.asp

http://www.companypay.com/executive/compensation/palmone_inc.asp



RE: Don't Cry for Nagel
mikecane @ 5/24/2005 1:17:03 PM # Q
I still say he RESIGNED. This does not. however, mean there wasn't An Agreement reached with the Board. May they ALL hang!

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Advisory role through mid-July 2005?

Gekko @ 5/23/2005 9:41:30 PM # Q

Nagel will remain at PalmSource in an advisory role through mid-July 2005???

Advisory role??? For who? For what??? I mean, the guy has done nothing positive in the last FOUR FRIGGIN YEARS - WTF do they think he's going to do in TWO MONTHS??? It's not like there's any real licensees left - or any real products to work on. Do they want the guy to do *more* damage? (Is that possible?)

This is what they should have told him last Friday:

"Get the f*** out of here. Don't talk to me, don't look at me, just pick your azz up out of that Italian leather chair and get the f*** out of this room, right now. Come on, let's go, Shleprock! Out! That's it, Skippy, pack your shiit."

(courtesy of "Boiler Room")



RE: Advisory role through mid-July 2005?
viqsi @ 5/24/2005 8:22:27 AM # Q
The nice and understanding answer:
Because you can't just remove the guy running everything and expect X Random Replacement to just suddenly know all the means by which he worked.

The horribly cynical answer:
Because *some*one needs to guide the replacement through the mess he left behind.

--
Of course, I don't know how interesting any of this really is, but now you've got it in your brain cells so you're stuck with it. --Gary Larson

RE: Advisory role through mid-July 2005?
mikecane @ 5/24/2005 1:18:29 PM # Q
Replacement: OK, what about this?

Nagel: I lied.

Replacement: OK, and this?

Nagel: I lied.

Replacement: So what am I supposed to DO with all this?

Nagel: Keep lying!!

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PalmOne to become Palm

SeldomVisitor @ 5/24/2005 6:55:29 AM # Q
Out this AM - bought the rights to "Palm" from PalmSource as well as relicensed PalmOS as long as PSRS meets certain "development milestones".

RE: PalmOne to become Palm
Surur @ 5/24/2005 8:08:56 AM # Q

Is this the beginning of the end or the end of the end?

Of course all P1 needed from PSRC was the Palm name. They never intended to use Cobalt. Very smart move, Colligan.

Of course this will kill PSRC. Is the current PSRC board cashing in, before the Palm name is even worth less?

Surur

PalmOne to Pay $30M for Palm Brand Name
Gekko @ 5/24/2005 8:48:44 AM # Q
AP
PalmOne to Pay $30M for Palm Brand Name
Tuesday May 24, 8:04 am ET
PalmOne to Pay $30 Million to PalmSource for Full Rights to Palm Brand Name


MILPITAS, Calif. (AP) -- Handheld computer maker palmOne Inc. said Tuesday it will pay $30 million to PalmSource Inc., the operating system licensing business it spun off in 2003, for full rights to the Palm brand name, and change its name to Palm Inc. later this year.

Shares of palmOne rose 29 cents to $27.55 in premarket trading.

Under terms of the agreement, palmOne said it will pay PalmSource over three and a half years for PalmSource's 55 percent share of the Palm Trademark Holding Co.

PalmOne also said it granted PalmSource certain rights to Palm trademarks for PalmSource and its licensees over a four-year transition period.

Separately, PalmSource said that palmOne will pay it minimum royalty payments of $148.5 million to renew its license of the Palm operating system. The royalty payments include $65 million for the years 2007 to 2009, subject to meeting certain development milestones.

Under the new licensing agreement, palmOne can continue to develop and market smartphones and other mobile devices based on Palm's operating system through 2009. PalmOne uses the operating system in such mobile devices as its Treo-branded smartphones and Tungsten and Zire handheld computers.


http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050524/palmone_license.html?.v=3&vm=r

RE: PalmOne to become Palm
Scott R @ 5/24/2005 11:02:00 AM # Q
...and the hits just keep on coming. Wasn't the whole reasoning for splitting up the hardware and OS divisions because they had some potential licensees who were concerned about competing against Palm's own hardware division? Now palmOne gets some exclusive rights. That should help.

This year's DevCon sure sounds fun. I wonder what they'll announce tomorrow. Maybe they'll pre-announce that after Linux, the next version of the OS will be built on top of Windows CE?

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RE: PalmOne to become Palm
Sam H @ 5/24/2005 11:14:26 AM # Q
Wasn't the whole reasoning for splitting up the hardware and OS divisions because they had some potential licensees who were concerned about competing against Palm's own hardware division? Now palmOne gets some exclusive rights.

palmOne's not getting exclusive rights to Palm OS. They're getting full ownership of the Palm™ trademark.

RE: PalmOne to become Palm
Scott R @ 5/24/2005 11:58:29 AM # Q
"palmOne's not getting exclusive rights to Palm OS. They're getting full ownership of the Palm™ trademark."

Right, and they didn't have exclusive rights to the OS when they were going by the "Palm" name before, but the powers that be apparently thought it was important to not let them have rights to that name. Things change when you're desperate for cash.

http://Tapland.com
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RE: PalmOne to become Palm
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/25/2005 1:29:53 AM # Q
Wasn't the whole reasoning for splitting up the hardware and OS divisions because they had some potential licensees who were concerned about competing against Palm's own hardware division? Now palmOne gets some exclusive rights. That should help.

That was the story. Did you really believe it? Wow. Here's another one: the Easter Bunny is coming soon.

In any event, there won't be any other hardware companies besides pa1mOne - I mean Palm - in a few months. Love that "Palm Economy". The Palm Economy is starting to look like Communism™.

TVoR


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Nagel the Failure Speaks!

mikecane @ 5/24/2005 4:47:19 PM # Q
"Linux is our platform for the future," affirmed Dr. Dave Nagel, delivering a keynote talk to an audience of 1,000 attendees at the Palm's annual developer event[...]

-- not YOUR future, pal! I hope to see you doing The Perp Walk soon!

Someone call the frikkin SEC!!

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4835848451.html

And the sad truth has become:

"I come here every year to find out what's going to be in the next version of PalmOS," said Bryan Nystrom, CTO of Natara Software, a small company that makes project management software that synchronizes with Microsoft applications. "Last year, the message was 'move up to Cobalt,' but there are no Cobalt devices. For us, it would be a lot easier to move to Windows Mobile than to Linux, so we want to find out if Linux is for real. It's reaching the point where application developers can't afford to support only PalmOS anymore."

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Bitter words

mikecane @ 5/24/2005 5:02:37 PM # Q
We, the Suckers
Posted By: PIC on Friday, December 10, 2004 10:38:30 AM

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7394

"...the operating system no longer matters to [PalmSource]."

Little did I know how far-reaching a statement that would be!!

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The Clues Were There

mikecane @ 5/24/2005 5:31:32 PM # Q
"We think our platform is flexible enough to support this kind of device," [Nagel] said. "A number of us inside the company are hoping a licensee will show up who wants to make a true notebook."

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6018

-- HOPING?!!!? HOPING?!!? Were they just sitting around chanting, "I hope a licensee like this calls?!!?"

[Nagel probably sat around chanting, "Will they find out I'm a fraud? Will they find out I'm a fraud?"]



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Daze of Infamy

mikecane @ 5/24/2005 6:12:14 PM # Q
Nagel to Head Palm OS Unit
Posted By: Ed on Monday, August 27, 2001 9:12:04 AM
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2260

Nagel to Open The NASDAQ Stock Market
Posted By: Ryan on Sunday, November 02, 2003 7:50:43 PM
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=6117

PalmSource Ships Palm OS 6
Posted By: Ryan on Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:44:20 AM
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6409

Palm OS 6 Cobalt Overview: The Palm OS Future
Posted By: Ryan on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:25:15 PM
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6568

PalmSource Introduces Palm OS Cobalt 6.1 for Smartphones
Posted By: Ryan on Monday, September 27, 2004 6:55:34 PM
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7166

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More Vindication for Gekko

mikecane @ 5/24/2005 6:32:56 PM # Q
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Beating the Corpse

Gekko @ 5/24/2005 7:03:25 PM # Q

Maybe we should stop beating the corpse now?

http://rubtsov.penza.com.ru/calendar/pict/mussolini-dead.jpg



RE: Beating the Corpse
mikecane @ 5/24/2005 7:59:59 PM # Q
Not just yet!!

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Nagel: Dead Man Talking

mikecane @ 5/24/2005 8:15:34 PM # Q
http://www.allaboutpalm.com/news/item/DevCon_Dave_Nagels_Keyonte.php

>>>What really caught my attention was what wasn't mentioned [in Nagel's keynote]. PalmSource is currently pushing four different platforms, Garnet, Cobalt (Arm), Cobalt (Linux) and the Feature Phone Platform (China Mobile's Linux). It was the last of these that got the majority of time in the keynote. After the announcement of Cobalt last year, we've still to see a modern device available running something other than Garnet. It's not good enough to build a modern OS if your hardware partners don’t make the jump forward with you.

and

>>>When your keynote starts asking more questions than it answers, then everyone is going to start reading between the lines. What aren't you saying? What do you not want us to ask?

NO mention of those TIPPY-TOP SECRET IN-NAGEL'S-DESPERATE-IMAGINATION **ELEVEN NEW LICENSEES**!

RE: Nagel: Dead Man Talking
SeldomVisitor @ 5/24/2005 8:53:13 PM # Q
== "...I can tell you several major players have already
== contacted me and what they tell me is this: They want
== an open alternative--no closed, proprietary systems,"
== the AP quoted McVeigh as declaring at a PalmSource
== conference in San Jose, Calif. "That's where we're
== going. We've already talked about the possibility of
== moving over to Linux..."

-- http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2005/05/24/0524autofacescan08.html?partner=yahootix&referrer=

RE: Nagel: Dead Man Talking
mikecane @ 5/25/2005 3:23:37 PM # Q
Oops. I posted that below in a separate thread. Didn't read through first.

So, when will McVeigh get the boot or have to resign due to continuing the David Nagel Big Lie Syndrome?

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McVeigh = Nagel, Take Two?

mikecane @ 5/25/2005 3:14:18 PM # Q
QUOTING:

http://tinyurl.com/8lp2x

McVeigh told The Associated Press on Tuesday that among the changes he plans to make is to move the company toward an open source operating system for the handheld devices.

"I can tell you several major players have already contacted me and what they tell me is this: They want an open alternative -- no closed, proprietary systems," McVeigh said Tuesday at a PalmSource conference in San Jose. "That's where we're going. We've already talked about the possibility of moving over to Linux."

McVeigh declined to disclose the names of the "major players."

=============

Hey, could it be one of The Phantom Eleven?!!?

Note to these overpaid, under-IQed eejits: S T F U unless you have a SIGNED CONTRACT!!

RE: McVeigh = Nagel, Take Two?
mikecane @ 5/25/2005 3:19:19 PM # Q
QUOTING:

http://hardware.silicon.com/pdas/0,39024643,39130734,00.htm

McVeigh said the "pipeline" for Cobalt is building nicely but he declined to elaborate further. He did note, however, that it typically takes smart phone makers roughly 18 months to develop new products.

Hong Kong-based device maker Group Sense PDA said it would ship a smart phone based on Cobalt in the US by the fourth quarter.

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Group Sense?! Is this the Major Licensee that will ensure their survival?!

Has anyone started a FailureSource Death Pool yet?

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Early Warnings about Nagel

Gekko @ 5/26/2005 10:33:56 PM # Q

these are funny -

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Subject: Re: Nagel at Palm...go short Palm
Poster: danf@greenRivercomputing.com (8/27/2001, 05:11 pm EDT)

Nagel carries a lot of responsiblity for crucial lost years at Apple. He failed to generate anything meaningful, spent a lot of money and more importantly wasted years of time. Pity poor Palm...

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Subject: That guy nagel is a BUM
Poster: Christopher J. Smith (8/27/2001, 07:33 pm EDT)

Palm has just made a serious error. Kudos to Amelio for shooting that idiot right between the eyes. Amelio got some grey press for not being the be all and end all of Apple while he was CEO at Cupertino, but he sure could spot a bum.

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Subject: Nagel
Poster: Ralph Kimble (2/2/2002, 08:53 am EST)

As a contractor to AT&T for many years .. I worked on projects that where overseen by mister Nagel and his team(s) ... To date, I've not seen any of these projects completed nor has any 'product' been produced. Nagel's R&D is a place to burn money at a fast rate and have meetings....

http://www.themacobserver.com/comments/commentindivdisplay.shtml?id=6110

RE: Early Warnings about Nagel
Gekko @ 5/26/2005 10:44:40 PM # Q

I love this line - "When in a rare moment, all of the QA divisions would say thumbs down to shipping the buggy OS, the infamous Dave Nagel would say ship it anyways."

Sounds like Cobalt!

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April 21, 2005
Joaquin Menchaca (San José, CA USA)

Now I was there before and after Amelio was there, when things were in dire straits. My manager in a team meeting would ask "Common sense, and why is there none at Apple?" When in a rare moment, all of the QA divisions would say thumbs down to shipping the buggy OS, the infamous Dave Nagel would say ship it anyways. The local community college in Cupertino (who dearly love Macs) had actually put a purchase freeze on Macs. I recall Amelio relaying a story about him trying out the new Macs at his desk, and had it crash all the time; he understood there was a serious problem and tried to do something about it, but unfortunately there was Nagel and others. Some engineers' attitudes was the workaround for the bug was to "buy a new computer". Now Nagel is off to Palm to destroy drive that into the ground.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0887309194/ref=pd_sxp_f/102-2493192-9888151?v=glance&s=books



RE: Early Warnings about Nagel
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/26/2005 10:46:04 PM # Q
Wasting time and money is one thing. Theft of stockholder money is another.

The SEC needs to look into this: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

Will any charges stick with Nagel and his cronies, or are the people that lost their money betting on PalmSource S O L?


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: Early Warnings about Nagel
Gekko @ 5/27/2005 4:03:58 PM # Q

Aren't we still beating the corpse?

RE: Early Warnings about Nagel
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/27/2005 4:35:41 PM # Q
No, Nagel's wife is sick, so you can't post any more about him.


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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

------------------------
Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
------------------------

The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: Early Warnings about Nagel
Gekko @ 5/27/2005 5:54:45 PM # Q

Nagel is fair game, his family is not.

Nagel became fair game when he signed the dotted line and took all that loot.



RE: Early Warnings about Nagel
Gekko @ 5/27/2005 6:36:43 PM # Q

This guy says don't blame Nagel. I strongly disagree.

Where PalmSource Went Wrong
By Guy Kewney
May 23, 2005
Opinion: With a few million users hooked on an obsolete software platform, not even the hardware side could get moving.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1819265,00.asp

(Article from PIC's "Notable Stories")



RE: Early Warnings about Nagel
mikecane @ 5/28/2005 1:06:21 PM # Q
Kewney's piece was a bowlful of laughs. I'll never be able to read anything else of his without first recalling this one.

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Q. Dude, what were you thinking?

mikecane @ 6/2/2005 1:34:13 PM # Q
A. Look, it was all Benhamou's idea.

===================

Oh, man. You have GOT to read this satirical Q&A with Nagel that Ryan linked to!

http://www.valleyofthegeeks.com/Features/PalmJob.html

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