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RE: Would be nice.
RE: Would be nice.
Palm NEVER fully was on the 320x480 screen bandwagon and was DELIGHTED to see the success of the Treo 600 & 650. That means that could dump PDA R&D once and for all and retreat to the relatively safe pastures of high-margin, low-spec smartphones. It's a strategy that has served them "well" since 2004 (when they failed to produce a proper successor to the final great PDA the T|T3).
The upcoming 800w/Drucker is going to be THE make or break device for Palm...and the simple fact that it's likely going to be another pricey "me too" WinMob handset arriving 6-12 months too late on the market to make a resounding splash still might not be enough.
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RE: Would be nice.
RE: Would be nice.
RE: Would be nice.
No it wouldn't
RE: Would be nice.
Acme Widget Company stops making new widgets. Customers have no way to buy new widgets. Market share for widgets tanks. The iWaget company integrates widget functionality into their iWaget and it's a hit. Sales of iWagets skyrocket and Acme Widget Company can't understand why.
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
Seriously, it wouldn't
The ipod touch is a video ipod with quite limited PDA functionality (poor sync options, slow input, lack of basic stuff like copy and paste) but it's a great ipod, probably the best one ever.
RE: Would be nice.
The ipod touch is a video ipod with quite limited PDA functionality (poor sync options, slow input, lack of basic stuff like copy and paste) but it's a great ipod, probably the best one ever.---
And yet the iPod Touch is what many Palm users are now going to. I think you just made my point. Palm is not capitalizing on a need.
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: Would be nice.
Someone that buys a touch expecting a TX replacement (assuming they want to do PDA stuff not just audio and video) is going to be very upset at the weak PDA functionality they find and lack of 3rd party apps. Sure the SDK is coming but I expect it to be severely crippled with it's ability to interact with the data in the built-in apps.
If instead the user wants mainly audio and video functionality then of course the touch is the better choice, was never arguing that it wasn't.
RE: Would be nice.
Just because you expect the SDK to be crippled doesn't really mean anything. Until it's actually out anyone can say anything about it. I personally expect that it will cure all ills and cause world peace. I could be wrong...let's wait and see.
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
Don't update, INVENT!
1. Smartphones
2. Audio players
3. Video players
4. Navigation - GPS
5. Photo storage/viewers
6. E-book readers
7. Internet access tablets
8. Email-dedicated devices (think Foleo)
9. You can think of more...
Back in 2000 Palm had the opportunity to capture leadership position in each of these categories but did nothing. Handspring brought them Treos, which saved the company in 2003-2006
Now Palm is losing share in #1, Apple controls #2 and best positioned to be the leader in #3, #4 is very crowded with TomTom and Garmin being the leaders, Amazon Kindle addressing #6 etc.
I believe #7 will be the next big growth area and Palm should be making a special product addressing this, probably when Nova is ready
I personally would love to have an instant-on device the size of the mouse pad to carry around my house – iTouch is fine for now, but intuitive interface, bigger screen and – possibly – keyboard would make me happier
Palm shouldn’t think of how to update/improve TX, they should invent new exciting devices!!!
New Palm OS device by end 2008
RE: Don't update, INVENT!
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: Don't update, INVENT!
Palm figured if they smothered the remaining life out of PDAs that it'd help them sell more smartphones...and it did.....for a year or so. But look at them now! Was morgtaging the future worth the short-term gain when they sold a heap of Treos in '05 and '06? Depends on who you ask.
With a bit of extra software and a few small hardware tweaks (internal mic, higher capacity battery, a few gb of internal flash storage) Palm could still easily reposition the current lineup as a cheap PDA/PMO (Z22 successor), Budget PMP/E-Book reader/PDA (T|E2 successor) and large-screen Internet tablet/PMP/photo viewer/e-book reader/PDA/VOIP handset (TX successor). This all should have started when the Tungsten & Zire sub-brands were established in 2002 (if not earlier).
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RE: Don't update, INVENT!
I thought 'great - 3G speed internet on my Tx. But guess what. No profiles for connecting my new (very very mainstream) phone to my PDA. I'm pretty computer literate, but I have had enough of faffing about getting things to work, that should be easy. If fact they should be fool proof.
The lack of phone update profiles for modern phones has pissed me off enough to finally bail from palm.
I'm honestly very sad, because I still like the hardware and I generally try to avoid bloatware type OS devices. I just really dislike having a PDA and phone pair, that are effectivly crippled through lack of su
Palm has squandered it's reputation
Fast Forward to 2008: Dusty E2s and TXs. The biggest news is a phone very similar to the Treo 600.
Development and innovation at Palm have pretty much flown the coop. I've resigned myself to looking for a new OS this year.
Palm is going the way of the Indian Motorcycle Company, American Motors. Once respected then pitied, then they died and went away. Bye Palm.
RE: Palm has squandered it's reputation
When Palm coughed up the awkward T|E formfactor it was bad enough. But they then proceeded to milk it until it was raw beyond belief. Has there ever been another instance in the computing industry (or at least the mobile computing biz) where a lower-end device (T|E) usurps the previous high-end devices (T3) and becomes the basis of a company's flagship (T5 & TX) & mid-range (E2) devices?
A Palm V/m500/Edge in good condition is STILL a head-turner nowadays (if the screen is turned off).
Instead of opening retail "stores" and playing spinoff & name-change games with various segments of the company, Palm should have thrown some $ towards Ideo and kept plugging away at a handful of SLEEK, well-built mobile formfactors. Chances are, had they done so, it would've been something akin to a cruder version of the iPhone emerging from Palm...but in 2004/2005, who would've complained?
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Since PDA's are dead
RE: Since PDA's are dead
> in phones aren't viable products.
Try telling that to PALM when they come out with their mix-n-match component system next year.
RE: Since PDA's are dead
-- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=33796
It wasn't until a FULL YEAR later that Colligan and Hawkins changed their public thinking of that to match Ken Wirt's thinking (no matter WHAT they say now!) and started to allow the idea that multiple communicating devices could be "converged".
Contemporary to some part of the thread - either the initial post or the one in the same thread made a year later, I mentioned the idea of a "component system" for phones/pdas/whatever like one has a component system for one's audio/video setups, with all devices communicating when they had to but each able to standalone.
Hawkins' Fooleo was a first gasp at that at PALM (though he strangely claimed to have rushed into someone's office with the idea when he for SURE was deeply in the "converged device is a do-all single device ONLY" mode, a mode he stuck with for literally years after he purportedly had the multiple device "aha moment"...uh huh).
Because of that Fooleo and what it did in a lousy manner, I believe - maybe weakly admittedly - that PALM will come out with a component system with all devices communicating when they had to but each device able to standalone and do what it does best, best.
RE: Since PDA's are dead
Here:
-- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=454304&postcount=18
is at least one mention of that, though I might have mentioned it on those Yahoo boards as well.
RE: Since PDA's are dead
As such, it looks like I was WAY too optimistic about where PALM could be going with their future devices and the idea of a mix-n-match component system.
Oh well...maybe Apple or Nokia will come out with something like that.
RE: Since PDA's are dead
I mean, a closed, carrier interference-free PMP/PDA/web tablet-style device would be the perfect opportunity to release not only a niche halo product as a testbed for the new OS. Think of a slightly smaller version of a Nokia N-series tablet but with a huge software bundle and superb PIM/media software. Of course, some would argue Palm's in no position to release a niche, low-volue halo product but at least it'd target the core fanbase better than another me-too WinMob rebrand or a disasterously executed concept like the Fooleo.
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Would be nice.
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm TX (Number 2)
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Casio-EM500
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100