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In a recent interview in the Portland Business Jornal Palm founder and CTO Jeff Hawkins gives an interesting talk about the history of Palm and what he is currently working on. He states that Palm currently has three business, the PDA market, the smartphone business and a secretive third business involving the next major generation of mobile computing.
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Right....

Captain Hair @ 8/5/2005 3:59:40 PM # Q
Thank you Mr. Vague. Either tell us, or don't mention it.
RE: Right....
craigf @ 8/5/2005 4:01:51 PM # Q
"It's cool and futuristic. It will be interesting, yet sublime. Personal, yet ubiquitous. I have on in my pocket...would you like to see it? Psyche!"

More seriously, I have a funny feeling it's fundamental research-type stuff on the brain-technology interface (hence "mobile" and "personal"), since that's been one of Jeff's passions for a long time.

RE: Right....
Khris @ 8/5/2005 4:06:08 PM # Q
Palm can't even get an OS right.....how do they expect to do anything more advanced then that?

RE: Right....
LiveFaith @ 8/5/2005 4:37:11 PM # Q
I bet it's a giant 8K clipboard limit!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Right....
DWD @ 8/5/2005 5:35:06 PM # Q
Captain has it right, tell us or shut up.

Never have liked teases...in any context.

Treo running WM videod in the Wild - Bigfoot next!
sr4 @ 8/5/2005 5:50:12 PM # Q
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000840053340/

Is this definitive enough (yes, I know, even a video can be faked).

Surur

RE: Treo running WM videod in the Wild - Bigfoot next!
cervezas @ 8/5/2005 8:05:28 PM # Q
Yeah, right. Treo 670 Debuting on *Verizon*. That'll be the day.
RE: Right....
lamp @ 8/5/2005 10:10:15 PM # Q
>>Captain has it right, tell us or shut up.
>>Never have liked teases...in any context.

Heh heh. PIC comments tend to be little else but teases and taunts.

Regardless, the interview is certainly worth a read. Gives some insights to Palm's past and hints a little at its future.


Hawkins' secret: a Treble Wireless Tablet PalmPC
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/5/2005 11:30:53 PM # Q
Treble Wireless Tablet PalmPC:

1) Take a CLIE TH55 and double the size.

2) VGA screen.

3) Include Wi-Fi, Bluetooth (all profiles) and (finally!) cellphone radio with speakerphone.

4) Integrated stand on back of device, Bluetooth keyboard, host USB, 40 GB HD.

The big mystery is why Palm hasn't the WTP yet. The parts are all easily available.

TVoR/Nostradamus, Inc.™


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RE: Right....
cbowers @ 8/6/2005 3:04:34 AM # Q
Yes, there's something to that VOR. I've been debating along that line, but in a bit more radical sense in the article discussion at Brighthand on handhelds becoming laptop replacements (which I think is misguided even as a goal).

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?threadid=119618

I won't waste the bandwidth reposting. Especially since the Hyper mods here (particularly in the PalmOne forum) seem apt to vaporize my posts this week anyway.

Anyway I'm with Jeff when it comes to leveraging the bandwidth in new directions with PDA's, but not where he goes into super fast CPU's, huge storage etc. Perhaps waaaaaaay, in the future. But it's not cost effective in a handheld in this decade (and Palm still plans on making some money this decade I'm hoping). Moreover, with that bandwidth and constant connection, you don't NEED lots of CPU horsepower and storage on the PDA. Let the battery life feed a large display and the wireless connection, and give the processing and storage to a more cost effective wirelessly tethered backend.

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The Future

billpetro @ 8/5/2005 4:08:14 PM # Q
I believe Jeff's vision has been compelling, at least for me. His original Palm, the Handspring color Visor, and the Treo demonstrate a consistent march of functionality and re-visioning of ease-of-use with increasing functionality.

We see trends of connection speeds going broadband (3G), applications becoming intuitive, navigation becoming one-handed, and storage prices dropping faster than processors' speed are doubling.

While I'm less sanguine about Palm's management approach, their product quality, or competitive urgency to ship a multi-tasking OS for their devices, I will be interested to see Jeff's vision in the marketplace. In the same way that Apple has been the R&D leader in innovation that others have copied, so the Palm has been the though leader that others have tried to copy but have not been able to replace. But the race is not always won by the most innovative.


RE: The Future
AdamaDBrown @ 8/6/2005 3:53:24 AM # Q
Who are you, and how much is Hawkins paying you?

RE: The Future
mikecane @ 8/7/2005 10:14:32 AM # Q
Hey, Adama, a slut like you would *love* to graduate to whore. Forget it. You've got no chance.

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Palm sized?

legodude522 @ 8/5/2005 4:26:22 PM # Q
Would it still fit in the palm of my hand?

Palm m125 December 25, 2003 to March 24 2004 > palmOne Zire 71 March 24, 2004 to March 31, 2005. Tapwave Zodiac 1 April 18, 2005 to present.
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Something not a Palm?

Foo Fighter @ 8/5/2005 5:02:25 PM # Q
Well Jeff certainly knows how to give vague clues. The description he gives kind of sounds like the LifeDrive serious, but I doubt. If this "child" venture is a dramatically different as he alludes, it sounds like something that isn't a Palm at all. Could this be a totally different device category? Is Palm getting into the content business?

Hmm...

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my guess: the we-com virtual wallet

Gekko @ 8/5/2005 5:03:23 PM # Q

Palm has hired E-T (e-tellurian)!

I can see their new slogan now -

"Palm: Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution"


RE: my guess: the we-com virtual wallet
DWD @ 8/5/2005 5:32:22 PM # Q
Dang you Gekko, you made me literally LOL!

/picking Cheez-its out of my keyboard

RE: my guess: the we-com virtual wallet
svrontis @ 8/6/2005 11:01:50 PM # Q
Hey, Gekko, isn't it about time for another one of your little rants about Hawkins not doing anything for the stockholders, how he is stealing his paycheck, etc?

RE: my guess: the we-com virtual wallet
e_tellurian @ 1/30/2006 1:31:13 PM # Q
:-(lol)

When building advanced industries we need/want to build/share value the old fashion way. A we-com industry shares the wealth from intellectual to commercial without leaving anyone behind.

Advanced equity works well with advanced economies offering jobs/purpose for many people that choose to help to build many choices enhanced by the we-com crew.

BIG ideas can not be owned by one as it is too BIG so we need/want to share the risk and benefit of good work. Perfection is a goal when building anything ... so too is the choice to include all that risked their thoughts.

Look forward to more new building too without compromising the choices of others.

A we-com industry will exchange/trade thoughts ... this is not new thinking. We must include the folks that that of an industry as a choice for excellent collaboration while keeping families’ whole.

Peace,

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

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Numenta?

Gekko @ 8/5/2005 5:08:38 PM # Q

Maybe Hawkins and Dubinsky is talking about this facade of a company? Perhaps they can sell it to Palm and milk even ***more*** money out of shareholders?

http://www.numenta.com/



RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/5/2005 5:32:27 PM # Q
"Maybe Hawkins and Dubinsky is talking about this facade of a company? Perhaps they can sell it to Palm and milk even ***more*** money out of shareholders?"

Who taught you how to write? We don't expect what you post to make sense but you might consider learning how to write in complete, intelligent, sentences.

RE: Numenta?
Gekko @ 8/5/2005 6:06:03 PM # Q
>"Who taught you how to write? We don't expect what you post to make sense but you might consider learning how to write in complete, intelligent, sentences."

Well, thank you very much, I appreciate that. A**hole.

is = are



RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/5/2005 8:34:30 PM # Q
"Well, thank you very much, I appreciate that. A**hole."

"A**hole" The height of intelligence. Posting irrelevant, idiotic statements seems to be your forte. It would be funny if weren't so tragic.

RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 8/6/2005 10:10:53 PM # Q
chzhd said: Who taught you how to write? We don't expect what you post to make sense but you might consider learning how to write in complete, intelligent, sentences.

Yes, here's chzhd's earlier example of a complete, intelligent sentence:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7882#108692

How does that tie up with your earlier advice?
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7865#108039

It seems that you're a sanctimonious hypocrite.

I don't agree with all of Gekko's views and opinions but Gekko does stimulate debate about Palm OS/Palm products and does so in an entertaining way too.

RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/8/2005 11:57:07 AM # Q
What are you talking about? Please do not try to defend Gekko, in doing so you end up sounding as foolish as he does.

RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 8/8/2005 12:34:22 PM # Q
chzhd saidWhat are you talking about? Please do not try to defend Gekko, in doing so you end up sounding as foolish as he does.

You want foolish?

There's nothing more foolish than you giving advice about complete, intelligent sentences whilst also making a single word post which, in your own words, is not remotely interesting to post.

So even if Gekko and I were foolish, there's nothing more foolish than your behaviour as someone who doesn't understand their own words and advice, so it comes as no surprise that you don't understand what others are talking about.

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 8/8/2005 1:12:58 PM # Q
Gekko's comment, unlike yours, was related to the subjects of the article, both the interviewee and the companies he has worked for or created. It was also a reference to Jeff Hawkins past action of selling Handspring to Palm/PalmOne.

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/8/2005 3:37:49 PM # Q
You seem to lack the intellectual capacity to address this issue in a rational manner. I find it admirable that you have jumped to Gekko's defense but am uncertain why you think it is necessary. Gekko, and other like him, have made this website a wasteland of meaningless comments. You may enjoy his endless negative banter, however, others have grown weary of him and his ridiculus comments. Like Gekko you resort to name calling, ("sanctimonious hypocrite"), rather than discussion. Perhaps that is the reason you have decided to defend him.



RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 8/8/2005 4:14:22 PM # Q
chzhd said You seem to lack the intellectual capacity...
...his ridiculus comments etc...

On the issue of intellectual capacity, try raising yours to the level of at least spelling ridiculous correctly. If that's beyond you then at least go to www.dictionary.com or use a spell checker.

You tell Gekko to write in complete, intelligent, sentences and yet recently posted such inane sentences as What??? and I could'nt agree with you more! which have jack to do with anything, much less Palm handhelds or Palm OS.

Like Gekko you resort to name calling, ("sanctimonious hypocrite"), rather than discussion
Call it what you will but you did give Gekko advice which you yourself ignore, i.e. behaviour which defines the action of a hypocrite. I posted evidence of what your statements were and you've not answered my allegation, so where's your part of the discussion?

It's all very well whining that others have 'lowered the tone' of this website but you are just as free as anyone else to make a comment here on Palm handhelds and Palm OS .

I jumped to Gekko's defence simply because unlike yourself, he made a light-hearted remark which was witty and relevant to those who know the history of Palm, Handspring and Jeff Hawkins.

As for name calling, you were the one to attack Gekko on his writing ability instead of contemplating the scenario he raised.

If you feel Palminfocenter needs fewer meaningless comments and more relevant statements, then you start with yourself and lead the way.

RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/8/2005 9:25:58 PM # Q
Thank you for providing endless laughs throughout my office. We have had a great time reading your posts, setting you up for your next tirade and then waiting for your response. There is always someone that takes personally a post that has nothing to do with them. In reading your posts it seems as though you have spent a great deal of time thinking about a few posts that were not addressed to you. Most people have better things to do with their time.

Thanks for the laughs...

RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 8/9/2005 6:26:55 PM # Q
chzhd said: Most people have better things to do with their time
Thanks for the laughs...
Maybe you need to share your laughs with your boss, your organisation and its clients. Do they know that you and your office waste the organisation's time by reading posts, setting people up for tirades and waiting for their response?

If you all work for PalmSource then it's no surprise that it's on the brink of collapse - you're all too busy spending time trolling PIC rather than concentrating on the little things like making sure the company you work for remains successful, is profitable and keeps you in employment.

I hope for your organisation's sake that all of you in the office have better things to do with their time. If you carry on with your behaviour then the results will soon show.

RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/10/2005 11:55:26 PM # Q
Thank you for your concern, however, setting you up took almost no time at all. Also, since I am the boss, everyone involved was authorized to laugh at you. We pick on Gekko because he knows a few things, is mildly amusing and can handled himself. You, on the other hand, can not. Our apologies to you. Had we known that you were so overly emotional and lacking in so many areas, we would have dropped this long ago. This became somewhat boring a few posts ago so, thanks for the laughs, and good-bye.

RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 8/12/2005 8:24:37 AM # Q
chzhd said Had we known that you were so overly emotional and lacking in so many areas, we would have dropped this long ago therefore you continued to post because you don't know whether I am or not!

chzhd said: Most people have better things to do with their time and This became somewhat boring a few posts ago
so if you became bored a few posts ago and had something better to do with your time then why did you continue to post?

Call me what you want depsite the fact you don't like being called things:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7999#110477

But unlike you, I'm not the one who complains of posting irrelevant statements on Palminfocenter:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7999#110278
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7865#108039

whilst on the other hand admitting to making statements for laughs:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7999#110487

I wasn't happy about what Gekko called you but he must be right as you're so full of it!
Goodbye and good riddance!

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/12/2005 7:50:34 PM # Q
Like I said, you are overly emotional. Gekko's comments aren't a concern even when they are directed at me. He is mildly amusing and knows a few things. You, on the other hand, are quite simplistic in both thought and word. You jumped into a conversation which did not pertain to you and, aside from posting links to a few of my posts using the chzhd username, have stated nothing of interest. We responded to you because we thought it would be funny. To your credit you have provided laughs ever since.

RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 8/12/2005 8:17:33 PM # Q
chzhd said aside from posting links to a few of my posts using the chzhd username, have stated nothing of interest
Don't flatter yourself, who said anything about your posts being interesting?

I thought you said you had a better things to do with your time? I thought you said goodbye? Yes I jumped into the conversation but this is a public forum, where anyone can join in, in the same way you made a comment about Gekko's post which had nothing to do with you.

Funny how you say I'm simple in thought and mind; I'm not the one contradicting myself in my own posts or maybe you're so simple that you don't even realise you're doing it?

You can say what you want about me but unlike you I can back up what I say with evidence to justify my position, which is what I've been doing by linking to your posts. Evidence that you make so many contradictory and irrelevant posts that frankly, very few people are likely to take your posts seriously and most will do their best to ignore them, after all, you ignore your own advice!

Carry on posting whatever you want about me for your cheap laughs, seeing such simple behaviour keeps you happy; you shouldn't suffer for lack of entertainment.

I and no doubt others are bored of this little spat and we shall carry on ignoring what you say, after all, even you ignore the advice in your own posts!

RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/13/2005 1:15:06 AM # Q
ChiA said "seeing such simple behaviour keeps you happy; you shouldn't suffer for lack of entertainment"

Your correct, seeing your simple behaviour has kept us happy, however, the entertainment value is lacking. You must understand that there are multiple people responding to your posts. Our entire staff scans PIC througout the day and, since the office is signed in under a single user name, whoever happened to read your posts responded. Surely someone of your stature realized that long ago. We all assumed you realized we were playing you. It turns out that, in addition to your other fine qualities, you are also a detective gathering "evidence". That is way too funny!

Take care of yourself and try to lighten up.

RE: Numenta?
chzhd @ 8/13/2005 1:15:06 AM # Q

RE: Numenta?
ChiA @ 9/22/2005 12:58:18 PM # Q
Good riddance!
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Palm still has Nokia Dreams

mikecane @ 8/5/2005 7:03:17 PM # Q
Look, this is So Obvious, I can't believe none of you can crack the code.

They intend to take on the Nokia 770.

It's a Web Tablet.

With a 1K Clipboard!

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
mikecane @ 8/5/2005 7:10:49 PM # Q
Well, let me amend that post.

Given the Treo 670 running Windows Mobile, it's entirely possible this could also run WM instead of Infinite Garnet.

Neither prospect has any appeal to me.

Palm has lost me.

Hello Nokia 770!

Goodbloodybye Palm!

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
ptc @ 8/5/2005 7:18:08 PM # Q
>>>Goodbloodybye Palm!

You'll be back. You know you can't stay away...


RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
mikecane @ 8/5/2005 8:00:49 PM # Q
What, given the two possible choices? -- Infinite Garnet (HIGHLY tweaked for larger/higher-res screens, further breaking the installed base of apps -- probably down to the *built-in* ones!) or WinMob?

This is no choice.

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
Khris @ 8/5/2005 9:00:28 PM # Q
Of course there's a choice.......Windows Mobile!

(Don't let the door hit you on the way out)

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
twrock @ 8/5/2005 9:12:15 PM # Q
Of course there's a choice.......Windows Mobile!


(Don't let the door hit you on the way out)

Now that's rich. Someone preaching WinMob stays at PIC and mocks Mike Cane as he leaves.

PIC: "Stick around folks; we're taking this in a new direction. We're changing the site name to Windows Mobile Palm Infocenter"!


I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
mikecane @ 8/6/2005 10:14:57 AM # Q
>>>Now that's rich. Someone preaching WinMob stays at PIC and mocks Mike Cane as he leaves.

Welcome to Crashing Bores Infocenter. Courtesy of Ryan.

RE: I now have Nokia dreams
twrock @ 8/6/2005 10:30:55 AM # Q
Hey Mike,

Where'd you go with the Nokia 770 blog? If Palm really has sold out to WinMob, I'm even more interested in what the other "players" are offering. (And please check your 770 blog here one more time, if you don't mind. I had a real question.)

I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
twrock @ 8/6/2005 10:43:59 AM # Q
Oops, sorry, my bad. You did "answer" that question in the 770 blog. Well, take it easy. It's been wild ride.

I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
heavyduty @ 8/7/2005 4:07:00 PM # Q
*Palm has lost me.

Hello Nokia 770!*

Well good luck with that cra**y device: you won't find any slower pda on the market right now. Literally. See how long you can stand to watch a movie at 15fps....

You'll be back.

Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Treo 650 (almost perfect)

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/7/2005 5:16:31 PM # Q
You'll be back.

Dear Lord, No!

I would personally buy Cane that Nokia if he promised to never post to a PDA site again. He won't be getting that Nokia (or any other device, for that matter) since he can only afford to continue using his CLIE S320.



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

Hey twrock
mikecane @ 8/9/2005 3:22:51 PM # Q
And you *wonder*?

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7394#101446
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7394#101717

How many people -- or personalities -- are posting under your name?

And Ryan, that original post was already FURLed. Deleting won't help at this too-late date. FURL saves the original, which can't be changed by you or anyone else.

Re: The above original article (from those two links). Now Cobalt isn't even a *skin*. Do you feel like Suckers now?

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
twrock @ 8/9/2005 9:10:48 PM # Q
"Wonder"? Who or what the heck is "wonder"? You lost me.

Seems you suggesting that I am posting under numerous names and that one of them is "wonder". Hmmm..., interesting thought.

One of the really cool things about these kinds of forums is the ability to be anonymous if one chooses. It also provides the opportunity to play around as different personas, different characters in what may well turn out to be a tragic-comedy. So I could be anyone and everyone. I might even be Surur, working on a very intricate, long-term plan, at the conclusion of which people will be left in shock and awe.

Nah, no way I'm wasting that much time and energy on the "Crashing Bores Inforcenter" (by the way, I'm agreeing with you here, not being sarcastic). And besides, I don't have delusions of grandeur.

And although I feel no compulsion to say so, for the record, I have always posted as "twrock" with a single exception when I posted as "sr5" (as a to jab Surur that was so obvious you couldn't believe I was trying to "hide" it). (However, I might just hold onto the sr5 name; who knows, it might come in handy in the furture.)

Regarding the links above, are you trying to say that all of what has transpired proves you "right" in saying, "Here is the fourth shoe that will be dropped by PalmSource next year: They will port the core PalmOS apps to Windows Mobile."? (That's the kind of spin that would make TVOR proud.) Mike, that hasn't happened (yet). Maybe I'm just not understanding you. If not, feel free to explain it to someone who is at times quite slow.

And incidentally, I also said:
At the moment, Mike looks like he doesn't have a clue. BUT, he will have the last laugh four to six months from now when his "conclusions" actually come true. Oh to be sure, someone will try to point out that his conclusions were a non sequitur, but it will be too late. Mike will be basking in his glory, having the last laugh. It was a parody, Mike. Nothing more. But as long as we are playing spin doctor, I was only off by one month, wasn't I?

I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

RE: Palm still has Cobalt nightmares
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/9/2005 10:23:44 PM # Q
twrock, he's onto us! Shhhhhhhh!

Funny how the exact OPPOSITE of what Mike predicted is about to happen. Palm is going to put Windows software onto Palm hardware (as opposed to putting the primitive PalmOS PIM apps on Windows hardware). He doesn't even realize when he's as wrong as anyone could possibly be. How sad.

In the PIC season finale it will finally be revealed how Ska, RhinoSteve, Surur, The Voice of Reason and Foo Fighter are related. Stay tuned, kids!


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
twrock @ 8/9/2005 10:38:18 PM # Q
TVOR, I've been onto you for a long time now.

Here it is folks, the truth is finally revealed: TVOR is none other than Ed Hardy.

Ok, go ahead and pick yourselves up off the floor. I know that came as a shock to the whole system. But all you have to do is start digging into it and the connection will become blatantly obvious.

I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

The Voice of Reason's secret identity REVEALED!!!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/10/2005 9:29:35 PM # Q
Damn!


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
batmon @ 8/10/2005 11:08:32 PM # Q
Nokia Dream??? I thought Cisco gonna buy Nokia out...

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000077053489/


Ed Hardy
SeldomVisitor @ 8/11/2005 1:41:52 PM # Q
I know this is silly but...who's Ed Hardy and why do I care?

The first hit on Google was:

-- http://www.tattoocitysf.com/

Nice art!

Giggle.

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
hkklife @ 8/11/2005 2:28:43 PM # Q
Former PIC news editor, now editor-in-chief of Brighthand. He's been gone ~3 years now and Ryan's done a great job since then keeping things "honest" (oftentimes brutally but honest nonetheless).

Personally, I prefer the "current" no-holds-barred PIC over Brighthand's sugar-coated, Rah-rah-rah, hand-holding, "whoring advertising revenue from Palm" editorial policy.

Remember, in the online Palmdom community, there are basically four types of editorial policies/individuals posting online:

1. Zealous fan apologists
2. Paid apologists
3. The devout few who are not afraid to tell it like it is and genuine are concerned with their favorite OS' future outlook
4. Everyone else who doesn't care or want to be bothered with it



RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
mikecane @ 11/18/2006 12:48:48 PM # Q
Oh, such an innocent time!

Come back to me, Palm!!

The Nokia 770 is, as I've said publicly many times now, The Biggest Piece of Sh*t Known To Man.

Save me, Hawkins & Colligan!

RE: Palm still has Nokia Dreams
twrock @ 11/19/2006 2:45:15 AM # Q
(Yikes, that trip down memory lane was a bit scary.)

Save me, Hawkins & Colligan!

I think we are all hoping for that, but it's harder every day to keep the faith. (Well, then again, Surur isn't hoping for that.)

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.

Oh look: Biotch Cane is back. What a surprise. Not.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/19/2006 11:47:19 AM # Q
The way Mike Cane went from "rabid frothing" about how good the Nokia 770 supposedly was to now calling it "The Biggest Piece of Sh*t Known To Man" is truly amazing. Like all those suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder, Mr. Cane is engaging in "splitting" behavior, in which individuals (or things) that are held to be sacred/loved/perfect one minute are intensely HATED the next.

Thank you for illustrating the BPD entry in DSM IV with such crystalline clarity, Mr. Cane. You've served your function as a case study to perfection. Carry on.

TVoR

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This is so obvious... Their goal is to create the next P2MD!

Manicorp @ 8/5/2005 10:31:07 PM # Q
It is pretty obvious that Palm is trying to merge lifedrive and treo.
LD is the their flag ship of multimedia... Tero als is the flag ship of mobile telecommunication... "Wow, why don't we merge these two and see what kind of product we get... Duh!

Seriously, I believe this is the holy grail of mobile computing. Everyone knows that!!! The question is can Palm produce anything worth while. Can Palm produce killer P2MD? (Personal Mobile Multimedia Device) 8-) I believe they are pursuing two or three roads to reach this goal. I'm sure they are flirting with the possibility of MS PPC platform. However, I'm pretty sure they are betting on the next generation POS based on Linux platform that will give them all the needed stability, security, and expandability. Third option is to run plain MS window like OQO, but I highly doubt that Palm will pursue this road.

I sincerely hope that Palm will produce this mega convergence device! I'm getting tired of carrying all these gagets around my belt. I carry my Verizon V710, Bluetooth ear phone to connet to my cellphone, T3, iPOD Photo with BT wireless head unit. I totally look like a geek. If they can come up with device that would an organizer/PDA, have large HD that can store my files, play MP3, show movies, connect to Wireless (WiFi & Cellular), and be my cellular phone. I won't hold my breath but that would be one killer device.

Just my thought...



RE: This is so obvious... Their goal is to create the next P
gfunkmagic @ 8/6/2005 1:24:49 AM # Q
Eh... I don't like the idea of a spinning HD in my phone though. Instead I think Palm would be smart if they used Nand storage similar to the T5 instead of micro HD's. A 1-2 GB nand Chip in a Treo with drive mode features would be very nice imo...

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RE: This is so obvious... Their goal is to create the next P
joad @ 8/7/2005 9:18:05 PM # Q
I sorely doubt it. PalmOne was screaming at the top of their lungs that the Treo 650's 14MB of effective RAM was enough for everyone except the rare "power users."

At the same time PalmOne was running a promotion with Handmark Express to give you 3 months free if you bought it with the Treo 650. Handmark Express recommends 8MB to function well.

I don't think Palm has anyone around anymore that would have the sense to whittle a piece of wood to the size of a pocket. They are flailing in the wind, pissing on anyone who tells them they missed a basic in design.

Jeff Hawkins would NEVER be hired by the present Palm staff if his name wasn't Jeff Hawkins. They'd pass him up for some kid that had a 'cooler' way to remove more hardware buttons or hide the reset hole. The days of practical Palm innovation are few, THAT'S why Microsoft's garbage interests anyone that used a Palm - there's becoming little difference between the 2 formats. Except M$ is cheaper.

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The Future of Handhelds today.....

gfunkmagic @ 8/6/2005 1:26:35 AM # Q
I dunno, it's kinda hard to have faith in Palm's future plans when their recent history of innovation has left something to be desired...

Lets just make a quick review of the 'overall' handheld market today. Irrespective of all the doom sayers, the handheld market is booming and can be categorized into three broad categories imo. However to do this I think you have to open your eyes and look beyond the simplified organizer paradigm that most palmos see through. If you do so, then I think can say that most handhelds today are sold in three major categories with the following market leader in each:

Smartphone handhelds: Market leaders include Nokia, and Rim

Gaming Handhelds: Market leaders include Sony and Nintendo

Music/multimedia handhelds: Market leaders include Apple etc.

These three general categories of 'handhelds' completely dwarf the traditional PIM centric pda market of about 12 million/yr. Smartphones themselves number in the hundreds of millions units per year as do mp3 players and gaming handhelds. In all three major categories, Palm is not major player...in fact not even close...

So what does the future hold?? Perhaps a convergence of all the above 3 categories? I don't think so...but it would be interesting to see what palm has up it's sleeves...

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RE: The Future of Handhelds today.....
hkklife @ 8/6/2005 9:41:50 AM # Q
Guys, I think that whatever they are working is WAY out there. Hawkins is obviously bored stiff with the traditional world of "consumerized" electronics & mobile computing. He hasn't done an honest days's work, I'd wager, since early in the Handspring Treo days--was he even that much involved in the Treo600 development?

At any rate, I think his penchant for neural networks and whatnot is going to lead them to some sort of device with as much embedded tech as possible to change the UI and level of interaction--think some combination of handwriting recognition (true, not Graffiti), voice reognition, eye control (like the old Canon camcorders), fingerprint scanning for security and whatever else he can cram in there.

I think that Hawkins bascially wants to drastically deviate from the traditional stylus tap/Graffiti stroke/chiclet keyboard methods of input.

While a HD can always be grafted onto a Treo and make a TreoDrive multimedia machine, I don't see the POINT. If Palm has the resources to fund it, I'd expect Hawkins' effort to at least attempt to change the landscape like he did a decade ago and prove all of the naysayers wrong.

Gaming and multimedia are definitely not in the cards as Sony and Nintendo are giants in their fields and even though the iPod will be losing steam rapidly in the near future (market saturation, folks) they (alongside iRiver, Creative etc) are still forces Palm cannot hope to compete with.

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Speculation

CNerd2025 @ 8/6/2005 11:40:31 AM # Q
Hmmm... Very cryptic, yet let's analyze what he's saying. He says:
Q: Can you give me a better idea about what this "child" technology is?

A: Not really. I'll give you a couple clues. I always think of mobile computing as personal computing. This long-term vision has led us through everything -- first the organizers and now through the smart phone space. It's like everything a personal computer is. Continue down that path. What are the implications of a world where everyone has a super high-speed Internet connection in their pocket and many gigabytes of storage, super-fast processors, audio, visual and multimedia? What are the consequences of that? How will that change computing when you have all that stuff available to you all the time? I try to think into the future. That's how we come up with new products. So I'm not going to tell you what it is, but it's following the consequences of mobile computing.


Alright. It's clear that Palm is focusing some R&D effort on this project. This can possibly explain the somewhat stagnant innovation in PDAs. It seems clear that Smartphones are the current up-and-coming mobile device. But consider the perspective of Palm, PalmOne, whatever they call themselves now (the company's name seems to change with Mr. Hawkins' underwear). Anyway, if you recall, some phone companies were less than willing to use the Treo 650 (notably Verizon Wireless). And still others crippled the software so that bluetooth could not be used as a modem. This problem with the cellular phone companies is very severe. In fact, Apple Computer was rumored to be developing a cellular phone/iPod model, but Jobs could not stand the phone companies, calling the major four the "four orifaces" (Walt Mossberg, Wall Street Journal http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20050602.html). Mossberg, an outspoken fan of the 650 has recommended it above all other smartphones and pda/phone models (such as RIM Blackberry and WinMobile systems).
Now let us analyze what he says. "Super high-speed internet in [the consumer's] pocket..." Now, I'm not sure about others on this board, but I don't have an exactly super high-speed connection in my pocket. I can get decent WiFi (802.11b) service with my LifeDrive. But this is limited range and limited speed. Consider also the emergence of VoIP, a cheap, Internet based method of telephony. The other day, Slashdot.org reported that Vonage is skipping WiFi altogether and going straight to WiMax (802.16), the successor to WiFi (http://tinyurl.com/dzhq8). According to /., WiMax has much longer connection ranges (measured in tens of miles instead of feet).
Based on these analyses and Mr. Hawkins' comments I'd make a few wagers:

  1. This will be a fully Internet-enabled mobile device

  2. This will use some fast, non-volitile storage system (perhaps something like what AtomChip, http://atomchip.com/, has come up with)

  3. This will use some sort of fast processor, but that's open to speculation

  4. The operating system will be very powerful, what we've come to expect from PalmWhatever

  5. I'd also be willing to bet that there are some creative and interesting interfaces with this "child" i.e. voice acvitavion

  6. Perhaps some other technology from Hawkins' neuroscience venture


That's about all the speculation I can come up with. Add new ones or debate existing ones.

--Drew Elgert

"Never walk into a place you cannot run out of." --Richard Williams

RE: Speculation
halcyon @ 8/6/2005 2:00:55 PM # Q
Here's my humble gander: making the handheld more of a terminal than a mini-PC. With the increasing availability of highspeed wireless access (wi-fi, cellular, and whatever is coming), why have a laptop and a desktop and a PDA with separate hard drives and software?

Palm could rent a personal Internet space (ongoing revenue) that you access from whatever system you are working from. No longer would you have the issue of leaving a file at home or work, or wishing you could access a certain program that you don't have on this or that computer.

Frequently accessed programs or data might be stored on the hardware, but everything else is just viewed through a browser-type interface.

It's similar to the Rhapsody music service, where you can download songs and make CD's, or you can just pick whatever songs you want and listen to them via streaming audio.

PS I want a VGA or greater video-out port.

RE: Speculation
hkklife @ 8/8/2005 6:19:53 PM # Q
With the plummeting of per mb storage space on flash or HD-based media, online storage "locker" subscription models will always lag in speed, capacity, and most importantly, cost effectiveness.

Besides, it's easy to turn your Gmail account into a multi mb/gb storage locker if you know how. As Palm suffered MIGHTILY from the VII/i705 days (riding piggyback on Bellsouth's Mobitex data network, I might add) it doesn't pay for a hardware company to be in the data service subscription business.

RE: Speculation
dustbunny44 @ 8/8/2005 9:55:28 PM # Q
The post above with the quote has the key passage to decipher, if you want to know what he meant. JH always has spoken clearly, and, when he can, has given information unambiguously. It's amazing how off people get when they try to understand him.

So it's personal, based on a (nearly) persistent wide-band connection, lots of local memory, fast processing, and multimedia. No mention of a personal computer, so syncing is probably not crucial (but could be supported - there is legacy SW).
My guess (and it is a guess, I have no connections): what would you see if you logged on to someone's dynamic and active web site, that they maintained with a portable device that let them update everything in it real-time? How would that be constructed, if your pocket device is your web site host? Your device is, or can be, the source of all input - audio, video, mail, pictures, etc. RSS (and other data) feeds are set up and sync to you too from the internet. It's probably co-hosted on a landline-based server (or you have that option if you expect lots of traffic), but the content syncs from your pocket device to your web site - your web site is you in real-time.
What that looks like, what services you present and update, I can't begin to consider yet.

Thoughts?

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Register says it is the LifeDrive

EricHC @ 8/9/2005 2:32:27 PM # Q
Notice he says PalmOne.

They are saying this is an old interview and the the LifeDrive and its offsrping entail the "third" business that Palm has.

Thats all...

I hope they are wrong and the LifeDrive is part of thier "First" business and they will release some great 3rd type of product, but I have a feeling they are right, this is just an old interview and he was dropping hints about the LifeDrive.

Eric Hausmerman Carroll
a.k.a. EricHC

RE: Register says it is the LifeDrive
mikecane @ 8/9/2005 2:53:05 PM # Q
No, after my initial excitement, I have to say that it is probably indeed the LifeDrive after all. Comparing print lead times and the date of the LD announcement, it tends to make sense. Besides, when has Palm surprised any of us with something *really* different?

There's much more interesting stuff in that Q&A. Especially the revelation of Palm dumping stuff cheeeep to retailers. Sony must not have liked that.

RE: Register says it is the LifeDrive
numlock @ 8/9/2005 3:40:40 PM # Q
I doubt its something as simple as the lifedrive. Hawkings seems to be refering to something in clandestine development thats not going to hit us for some time.
RE: Register says it is the LifeDrive
sr4 @ 8/9/2005 3:55:34 PM # Q
From Hawkins's interview:


I always think of mobile computing as personal computing.
The Life in LifeDrive.

This long-term vision has led us through everything -- first the organizers and now through the smart phone space.
PDA, Smartphone and Mobile Manager. Definitely the LD.

It's like everything a personal computer is. Continue down that path. What are the implications of a world where everyone has a super high-speed Internet connection in their pocket
WIFI

and many gigabytes of storage
4GB in the LD

, super-fast processors, audio, visual and multimedia?
The Media focus of the LD

What are the consequences of that? How will that change computing when you have all that stuff available to you all the time? I try to think into the future. That's how we come up with new products.
Hello Mr Hawkins. 2003 is calling. PPC's have been doing this for ages.

A further example of the incompetence of Palm. They cant even get their hype out in time. Imagine how disappointed people would have been at the LD after this pathetic attempt at hyping it. Anyone recall Ginger?

Surur

RE: Register says it is the LifeDrive
mikecane @ 8/9/2005 7:05:44 PM # Q
>>>... Ginger?

Yes.

http://www.segway.com/

Makes Sense
Gekko @ 8/9/2005 7:11:05 PM # Q
three businesses

1. PDA market
2. smartphone business
3. secretive third business - mobile managers/lifedrive

how underwhelming and unoriginal. late news anyway. the bastard is praying that stock price stays up long enough for him to dump all his shares. i can't blame him - i'm be dumping like a madman too.

http://biz.yahoo.com/t/45/503.html



RE: Register says it is the LifeDrive
twrock @ 8/10/2005 6:11:41 AM # Q
Seems to be discrepancies depending on the source as to when the interview took place. Over at PalmAddicts the article on this says: In the interview that took place some time in June (after the LifeDrive was released), Mr. Hawkins talks about a "third business" that he's working on at Palm.... (http://tinyurl.com/ddql9)
So what's the definitive word on this? Anyone have a solid, undisputable link that gives us the timing on this one?

I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
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Intresting

e_tellurian @ 12/31/2006 4:09:02 PM # Q
Interesting how e-motion can cost a crew so much. True a democracy allows for e-motional innovation too.

Peace,

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