Comments on: Windows Mobile Palm Treo 700w Exposed

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All good things...

Also, I know the 240x240 rez incompatibility has been beaten to death. But here again Palm skimps on features and lays an egg. The Treo 650 with 1/2 the physical memory will have better specs ... except for the WiFi compat.

Wow, it seems to me that if this is your cash cow and the Treo name is your flagship to lead into the future, then you would go for the jugular and give it the memory and rez to do it.

By this statement, Palm is hastening defeat in it's smartfone leadership. Once again, I'm baffled.

One side note. I would like to see the 650 side by side with this device. I'm sorry, but since the first photos came out this squarish look is terribly kludgy looking. The Treo 600 began with iPod-like beauty and form couple with funtionality. Whoever they let make adjustments is putting white walls and hubcaps on the companies Corvette. Maybe physical sight can redeem it?

Sorry to be so negative, but I think that logo on a Palm device switches on some real negative psychologies in me. It just seems that for your big splash into WM (cesspool?), that you would want the press releases and the buzz to be more about the "cutting edge productivity possibilities" ... or ... "blending of the best of the best" .. or ... "Gates - Hawkins exponential empowerment" or something. But, with the downgraded screen and functional sideways storage this yawner will evoke little more than "Is Palm making the Right Choice or Not?".

If only they had delivered the Treo 800g, we could have ruled the world. :-|

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

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Huuuuh? View what ... the jaggies? You're gonna have to explain that one to me. My mind just did a soft-reset on that one?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

Otherwise, a more useful feature would be handedness. It seems many lefties would kill to have the scrollbar to the left.

The other is the WiFi battle, some carriers may not want it, but T-Mobile won't carry it without it. What a joke!

Oh well. I'm still looking to the GSPDA camp for some comming innovation. I think the first company to make a flip with a thumb pad will get the gold on the phone side.

It's really to bad that Handspring didn't by Palm. The zen is gone. With people flocking for Moto Razors I think Palm is barking up the wrong (size) tree. At least PalmSource^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HAccess has it's sights on the 'low end' Where's the cheap Zire of the Treo line?

Intel running Mac OS X, Palms running Windows Mobile...

Oh well.

This is all, of course, the fault of Palm's penny-punching beancounters & past management. They set this chain of events rolling in '98/99ish by utterly failing to advance the platform past its hunble monochrome, basic PIM beginnings--NOT because of pressure from Sony etc. as some have hinted at on PIC in the past.

Frenchie/mcalister: (Pick your barnyard analogy here) This cash cow/workhorse/tired old mule of an OS has been ridden/milked as long as possible. They are going to put a WinMob saddle on the tired old Treo formfactor and give it one more round-up before the sun sets for good.

That said, I'll still take a FrankenGarnet Treo with comparable specs to this 700w variant. This makes the rumored specs we saw a month or so ago of an updated Palm-based Treo look VERY believable (64mb NVFS, 1mp camera, EVDO etc). With a slightly wider/larger 320*320 screen, the Palm-based Treo really becomes a more attractive proposition for those who care about their smartphone's display sizse & resolution. Especially if the 700p comes in @ an MSRP $100 less than the 700w. I like the countoured edges of that leaked Palm-based Treo much more than the angular edges & buttons on the 700w.

Remember, no one ever got fired for buying IBM..same concept applies here. The VZW sales staff can show the fancy media functions, the nifty menus & eye candy and tout that a WinMob Treo is easier to use/learn and has "better graphics".

The i730 currently sells for, what, $200-$250 more @ Verizon than does the Treo 650 and adds, what, wi-fi and a physically larger screen?

If $100 is too high then they can at least milk $50 more out of the 700w over the 700p.

For someone who has been hoping Palm would realize a WM Treo, I am pretty disappointed in the announced Specs. It seems to me Palm thinks they can play the old don't give them everything else at once card so you can sell them the upgrade. Unfortunately, in the WM space they'll have to compete with others that are trying to give users everything.

If you think the 700w is weak with its specs-for-the-$, just look at the new reports that the TX is launching at $450!! It makes the 700w look like a veritable bargain in comparison.

They're DOOMED with pricing like that!

As I said on a thread in the PIC forums, I believe they are taking the "European MSRP" price of the TX (in Euros) and converting it directly to a $ equivalent. Example: given the current Euro-->$USD exchange rates, $450 USD=~ 375 Euros.

That's probably how they are arriving at that figure (likely got leaked info from Palm's European or Asian distributor(s))

I'd HOPE to see the TX launch at $300. LIKELY it'll launch at 400 and end up at $350 within a few months (via rebate or outright price drop). $450 is just insane but don't put anything past Palm at this point.

"Pricing and Availability
The Windows Mobile Treo will be available exclusively from Verizon Wireless early next year.

The price wasn't announced, but Palm warned that this device, because it has an EV-DO radio, is likely to be more expensive that the Treo 650"

I told ya so! Palm has, for the past couple years, really clobbered their remaining loyal customers who are early adopters--see the Treo 600, 650, LifeDrive, T|E2 and (likely) TX pricing strategies. Expect EVEN MORE OF THE SAME with this nifty new WinMob device, especially with the boatload of press attention attached to it. Good, bad, or otherwise, people will want to have one right away--kinda like the iPod Shuffle. The "trusted" M$ name is good for another $100 over the Treo 650's price w/ contract anyday.

JLM.

Thanks!

Take your cartoon and put it where the Sun don't shine.

Have a nice day.

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I'm sure the executives at Palm are sitting back thinking "well, we can afford to lose the enthusiast base, after all look at all the new corporate sales we are going to get".

I wouldn't be so sure. Enthusiasts evangalize (cue WM mega-troll Surur), influence other peoples purchases, provide a flow of ideas to the company, and in this case write the innovative new applications which keep the platform vibrant.

IMHO, companies (especially innovative tech companies) who abandon their enthusiast base become also-rans and shells of their former selves.

Don't agree with me? Well then how come Microsoft spends so much effort stroking their enthusiast community with Channel 9,
Scobelizer, Paul Thurrott, Got.Net, .NET Junkies, etc. etc? Look at how this affected Surur. He spends his entire life trolling Palm web sites trying to convert Palm users to WM users. He's probably gotten a few too.

I guess this puts the final nail in any hopes for an Apple-style revival with Jeff Hawkins back at Palm.

Onward and upward.

Why don't you spend 27 hours a day preaching to your PPC brethren (in whatever spider-hole they may live in)?

Surur

I'd take a Treo 650 over this 700w right now. If Palm does a 670p or a 700p it'll be a no-brainer over the 700w. BUT, give them 6 months to a year and if they are still in business/an independent entity, they'll produce a killer 480*480 or (even better) a clamshell 640*480 WinMob Treo and that'll be IT!

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Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

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Brace yourself...

That was the LifeDrive (Mobile Manager).