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RE: Why reveal this hours BEFORE earnings?
http://mypdacorner.blogspot.com/
RE: Why reveal this hours BEFORE earnings?
RE: Why reveal this hours BEFORE earnings?
Congratulations to Ryan and PalmInfocenter
"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Congratulations to Ryan and PalmInfocenter
holy crap!
Palm m125 December 25, 2003 to March 24 2004 > palmOne Zire 71 March 24, 2004 to March 31, 2005. Tapwave Zodiac 1 April 18, 2005 to present.
RE: Congratulations to Ryan and PalmInfocenter
:)
All good things...
Specs aren't really that great...
All good things...
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
mobileministrymagazine.com
antoinerjwright.com
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
Also, I know the 240x240 rez incompatibility has been beaten to death. But here again Palm skimps on features and lays an egg. The Treo 650 with 1/2 the physical memory will have better specs ... except for the WiFi compat.
Wow, it seems to me that if this is your cash cow and the Treo name is your flagship to lead into the future, then you would go for the jugular and give it the memory and rez to do it.
By this statement, Palm is hastening defeat in it's smartfone leadership. Once again, I'm baffled.
One side note. I would like to see the 650 side by side with this device. I'm sorry, but since the first photos came out this squarish look is terribly kludgy looking. The Treo 600 began with iPod-like beauty and form couple with funtionality. Whoever they let make adjustments is putting white walls and hubcaps on the companies Corvette. Maybe physical sight can redeem it?
Sorry to be so negative, but I think that logo on a Palm device switches on some real negative psychologies in me. It just seems that for your big splash into WM (cesspool?), that you would want the press releases and the buzz to be more about the "cutting edge productivity possibilities" ... or ... "blending of the best of the best" .. or ... "Gates - Hawkins exponential empowerment" or something. But, with the downgraded screen and functional sideways storage this yawner will evoke little more than "Is Palm making the Right Choice or Not?".
If only they had delivered the Treo 800g, we could have ruled the world. :-|
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000046185.JPG?0.055509021227959976
ackmondual said ... <
Huuuuh? View what ... the jaggies? You're gonna have to explain that one to me. My mind just did a soft-reset on that one?
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000046187.JPG?0.5326460025704068
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
Otherwise, a more useful feature would be handedness. It seems many lefties would kill to have the scrollbar to the left.
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
The other is the WiFi battle, some carriers may not want it, but T-Mobile won't carry it without it. What a joke!
Oh well. I'm still looking to the GSPDA camp for some comming innovation. I think the first company to make a flip with a thumb pad will get the gold on the phone side.
It's really to bad that Handspring didn't by Palm. The zen is gone. With people flocking for Moto Razors I think Palm is barking up the wrong (size) tree. At least PalmSource^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HAccess has it's sights on the 'low end' Where's the cheap Zire of the Treo line?
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
Attempt #1 was a full-size PocketPC with a unicorn antenna. Died on the vine.
Attempt #2 was a bulky jacket to give GSM functions to their existing PPCs. Died for lack of interest.
Attempt #3 actually made it to market as the iPaq h6315. Huge, slow, notoriously buggy, and substandard build quality. Was eventually taken out to the woods and shot.
Attempt #4, the iPaq hw6515, is in limbo. No carrier has picked it up, it's barely for sale, and OS support is in question.
Attempt #5, the iPaq hw6715, is also in limbo, many months away from release, and while it at least has WM5 and WiFi, it's future is uncertain.
Suffice it to say, HP's track record is dubious, at best.
RE: Specs aren't really that great...
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http://www.arpx.net/article.php/top_10_palmos_applications - my top 10 palm apps
RE: Duct Tape?
Surur
RE: Duct Tape?
mobileministrymagazine.com
antoinerjwright.com
RE: Duct Tape?
Wow i though i'd never see the two together
This is a sad day.
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
Newton. Sharp Mobilon. Psion 5, 5mx. Visor Deluxe. Clie N760. Palm Personal, III, T, T2, T3. SE t68i on T-Mo.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
Intel running Mac OS X, Palms running Windows Mobile...
Oh well.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
Newton. Sharp Mobilon. Psion 5, 5mx. Visor Deluxe. Clie N760. Palm Personal, III, T, T2, T3. SE t68i on T-Mo.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
This is all, of course, the fault of Palm's penny-punching beancounters & past management. They set this chain of events rolling in '98/99ish by utterly failing to advance the platform past its hunble monochrome, basic PIM beginnings--NOT because of pressure from Sony etc. as some have hinted at on PIC in the past.
Frenchie/mcalister: (Pick your barnyard analogy here) This cash cow/workhorse/tired old mule of an OS has been ridden/milked as long as possible. They are going to put a WinMob saddle on the tired old Treo formfactor and give it one more round-up before the sun sets for good.
That said, I'll still take a FrankenGarnet Treo with comparable specs to this 700w variant. This makes the rumored specs we saw a month or so ago of an updated Palm-based Treo look VERY believable (64mb NVFS, 1mp camera, EVDO etc). With a slightly wider/larger 320*320 screen, the Palm-based Treo really becomes a more attractive proposition for those who care about their smartphone's display sizse & resolution. Especially if the 700p comes in @ an MSRP $100 less than the 700w. I like the countoured edges of that leaked Palm-based Treo much more than the angular edges & buttons on the 700w.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
- To milk the tail end of the dot-com boom for all it was worth
- Golden parachutes for the cracker jack execs who were running Palm into the ground
- Stock options for executive level veeps at Palm to cash out
- Mo' Money for those who didn't really need it anyway.
- 2 board of Directors = MORE $$$ for those execs.
- definately NOT for long term profit or for the good of the user
basically anything that may have ever resembled old-school tech culture had already been sucked out of Palm long ago and it was just the suits looking to cash out as much as possible at the expense of the hard working grunts and us users. Typical.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
javispedro, Engadget' credibility is impeccable. If they say they have one, they have one.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
Remember, no one ever got fired for buying IBM..same concept applies here. The VZW sales staff can show the fancy media functions, the nifty menus & eye candy and tout that a WinMob Treo is easier to use/learn and has "better graphics".
The i730 currently sells for, what, $200-$250 more @ Verizon than does the Treo 650 and adds, what, wi-fi and a physically larger screen?
If $100 is too high then they can at least milk $50 more out of the 700w over the 700p.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
If (when?) Palm OS tanks I'm going to Maemo. They should have found a better display layer by then. The current one (X) is so very, very slooow...
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
For someone who has been hoping Palm would realize a WM Treo, I am pretty disappointed in the announced Specs. It seems to me Palm thinks they can play the old don't give them everything else at once card so you can sell them the upgrade. Unfortunately, in the WM space they'll have to compete with others that are trying to give users everything.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
Actually, WM5 comes with one-handed navigation, and the button layout in the photos (OK and Start menu buttons) shows that the 700w is equipped for it out of the box.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
If you think the 700w is weak with its specs-for-the-$, just look at the new reports that the TX is launching at $450!! It makes the 700w look like a veritable bargain in comparison.
They're DOOMED with pricing like that!
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
I can't believe that they will release the tx at $450. Don't treat PALM users as idiots.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
As I said on a thread in the PIC forums, I believe they are taking the "European MSRP" price of the TX (in Euros) and converting it directly to a $ equivalent. Example: given the current Euro-->$USD exchange rates, $450 USD=~ 375 Euros.
That's probably how they are arriving at that figure (likely got leaked info from Palm's European or Asian distributor(s))
I'd HOPE to see the TX launch at $300. LIKELY it'll launch at 400 and end up at $350 within a few months (via rebate or outright price drop). $450 is just insane but don't put anything past Palm at this point.
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
RE: Wow i though i'd never see the two together
"Pricing and Availability
The Windows Mobile Treo will be available exclusively from Verizon Wireless early next year.
The price wasn't announced, but Palm warned that this device, because it has an EV-DO radio, is likely to be more expensive that the Treo 650"
I told ya so! Palm has, for the past couple years, really clobbered their remaining loyal customers who are early adopters--see the Treo 600, 650, LifeDrive, T|E2 and (likely) TX pricing strategies. Expect EVEN MORE OF THE SAME with this nifty new WinMob device, especially with the boatload of press attention attached to it. Good, bad, or otherwise, people will want to have one right away--kinda like the iPod Shuffle. The "trusted" M$ name is good for another $100 over the Treo 650's price w/ contract anyday.
The whole is less than the worth of each piece?
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-Grand Admiral Thrawn
the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse
My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 4 of 6 screws still remaining) ~?~> zodiac 2?
Off topic
RE: The whole is less than the worth of each piece?
RE: The whole is less than the worth of each piece?
JLM.
RE: The whole is less than the worth of each piece?
RE: OT: pound signs
Thanks!
RE: The whole is less than the worth of each piece?
I wouldn't go there. Palm seems akin to a mouse trap right now. The mouse trap has zero extra parts and cannot function without any one of them.
One slip by Palm and a buyout by Fisher-Price may be in the wings. WM Treo = immediate survival.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Anger.
As a Palm OS enthousiast, I AM NOT HAPPY AT ALL!
RE: Anger.
You at stage 2 then. Only 3 more stages to go ;)
Surur
PS: Ryan, please let me post it.... pretty please...
RE: Anger.
I am depressed.
It is truly a said day in Mudville.
In the Spirit of Umoja,
Ronin
RE: Anger.
http://www.palmsource.com/products/products.cgi?Cat=Smartphones
RE: Anger.
RE: Anger.
I'm sure the executives at Palm are sitting back thinking "well, we can afford to lose the enthusiast base, after all look at all the new corporate sales we are going to get".
I wouldn't be so sure. Enthusiasts evangalize (cue WM mega-troll Surur), influence other peoples purchases, provide a flow of ideas to the company, and in this case write the innovative new applications which keep the platform vibrant.
IMHO, companies (especially innovative tech companies) who abandon their enthusiast base become also-rans and shells of their former selves.
Don't agree with me? Well then how come Microsoft spends so much effort stroking their enthusiast community with Channel 9,
Scobelizer, Paul Thurrott, Got.Net, .NET Junkies, etc. etc? Look at how this affected Surur. He spends his entire life trolling Palm web sites trying to convert Palm users to WM users. He's probably gotten a few too.
I guess this puts the final nail in any hopes for an Apple-style revival with Jeff Hawkins back at Palm.
Onward and upward.
RE: Anger.
Why don't you spend 27 hours a day preaching to your PPC brethren (in whatever spider-hole they may live in)?
RE: Anger.
[their words were "28% have never owned a smartphone"]
Its just a tool!
What we have at the present time, is an OS stuck in 2003, while WM is advancing. I prefer the POS, but its stuck in time, and will be so for another year or two. The way I figure it, if the 700w comes out, and is more advanced (with multitasking, wifi support etc) I may very well use one of these until palm offeres something better with a new POS. We all buy phones every year or two anyway.
Fortunately, I work almost exclusively on the mac, and don't have to fool with ActiveSync. Mac users have a couple of different fine programs to sync PPC's with.
After all, its just a tool, and you pick the best tool for the job! Its not like we are marrying the thing and have to live with it the rest of our life!
RE: Its just a tool!
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
My Dealbreakers
1. 240x240 is unacceptable vs. 320x320.
2. I still prefer PalmOS over WM5.
3. I still prefer Palm Desktop over Outlook. (Which makes me wonder if the WM Treo will be able to sync with Palm Desktop out of the box?)
Sooner or later though, MSFT (and Palm) will get this WM Treo right and we will ALL succumb.
RE: My Dealbreakers
I'd take a Treo 650 over this 700w right now. If Palm does a 670p or a 700p it'll be a no-brainer over the 700w. BUT, give them 6 months to a year and if they are still in business/an independent entity, they'll produce a killer 480*480 or (even better) a clamshell 640*480 WinMob Treo and that'll be IT!
RE: My Dealbreakers
RE: My Dealbreakers
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/treo800g.jpg
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Could there be other WinMob devices
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RE: Could there be other WinMob devices
yes - look out for a WM Zire coming to a Circus City near you.
RE: Could there be other WinMob devices
RE: Could there be other WinMob devices
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/dellx50p.jpg
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Where oh where are svrontis and Dr. Opinion?
My view: this is a good and bad thing for Palm. Good side is that they're probably going to sell quite a lot of them. Bad side is that if the Palm-dumps-Palm issue is not handled skillfully, it could cause image problems, particularly at a time when Palm's handheld line is slumping.
Is it just me, or does the redesign of the case and the buttons look sleeker than the 650?
RE: Where oh where are svrontis and Dr. Opinion?
I saw the post and, without any contrary evidence, I guess I have to go with the flow and accept what appears to be the inevitable.
My suspicious little mind has a nagging question though - given Palm's limited resources, did they fund the development costs themselves or were they subsidised by somebody else?
Let's trust Microsoft!
1000->Personal->IRUpgrade->TRGPro->HE330->Treo 180->270
They are as good as sure to have a bloody nose
If I am right, I beleive that they will earn themselves a bloody nose at best because ofn the strong competition!
Read more here:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com/2005/09/treo-700w-why-i-beleive-that-it-will.html
Yes, flame me, I am too lazy to copy the post!
Best regards
Tam Hanna
Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
HTC's role
CLUNK!
Maybe we'll get a less embarassing device sometime in the future.
Let's hope Hawkins' 'I could tell you but It'd blow your mind, and anyway I'd have to kill you' '3rd company within a company' stuff is a bit more edifying if it ever sees daylight.
RE: CLUNK!
(1) The first comment made about a year ago (maybe a little less) "a couple years to a cool device that I can't talk about" still remains valid and suggests at least a year or so til intro.
(2) The second comment made a couple months ago (maybe a little more) " 'nother company with a third type of device" discusses the LifeDrive, a known sales failure.
RE: CLUNK!
Brace yourself...
That was the LifeDrive (Mobile Manager).
RE: CLUNK!
That was the LifeDrive (Mobile Manager)."
You are SURELY joking...aren't you?
All good things...
I Like It!!
Really hope that they will have 700p with the same WM5 Exchange Activesync in PalmOS. I don't like WM5 OS's interfaces...
Motorola Q is similar but I think Treo looks and feel much better.
http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details/0,,113,00.html
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Why reveal this hours BEFORE earnings?