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Treo 700p photosPalm's Treo 700p is the latest in a now long linage of Treo smartphones. The Treo 700p combines the benefits of a full featured mobile phone with the Palm OS mobile computing platform. From a visual perspective the design changes are small, evolutionary refinements of a proven smartphone form factor. Most of the improvements to Palm's flagship smartphone come in the form of new software innovations, a big boost in memory and fast, broadband like data speeds.

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GSM?

Hitman1 @ 6/13/2006 3:56:52 AM # Q
Any news on when does Palm plan to release the Unlocked GSM version of this phone?
RE: GSM?
AdamaDBrown @ 6/13/2006 1:19:16 PM # Q
Not yet. Probably several months at least.

RE: GSM?
hawkspy @ 6/23/2006 1:01:52 PM # Q
Why not....? God I get sick of self-serving marketing agreements...they should make these products available outside the US at least...

Where do We Go Nowwwwwww?!

- Sir Axl de Rose, 1986

RE: GSM?
cervezas @ 6/23/2006 8:07:13 PM # Q
It has nothing to do with marketing. It's a technical problem to get the Palm OS to comply with 3G standards on GSM networks. The conventional wisdom is that it won't happen with Palm OS Garnet.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
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RE: GSM?
hawkspy @ 6/24/2006 9:50:48 AM # Q
XDAIIs is capable of EVDO (which I presume you equate with 3G - although the two are different) and has been available in Australian EVDO network Telstra since its inception.

There should be no difficulty at all implementing an EVDO device in the australian market which has had EVDO (GSM) for several years already.

I respect your opinion but am unconvinced.


Where do We Go Nowwwwwww?!

- Sir Axl de Rose, 1986

RE: GSM?
freakout @ 6/24/2006 10:14:12 AM # Q
EVDO ain't GSM. It's CDMA tech. And all the signs are pointing to Telstra (those tight-arse sons of bitches) preparing to close down their CDMA network, what with Sol Trujillo's new "F*ck the people of regional Australia" attitude and the Government's political desire to sell off the company ASAP and turn the taxpayers' communication networks over to a private company who has shown absolutely no hesitation at screwing over rival companies with exorbitant access fees and keeping the price of REAL broadband in Australia ridiculously high as compared to the rest of the world.

(Deep breath) So, I guess my point is that we won't see a CDMA Treo in Oz because Telstra wouldn't really want to introduce any killer new products onto a network it wants to wash its hands of.

Apologies for the rant. I really hate Telstra. In case you couldn't tell.

This sig is a placeholder till I come up with something good

RE: GSM?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/24/2006 10:58:53 AM # Q
Nokia is dumping CDMA, too.

RE: GSM?
hawkspy @ 6/24/2006 11:09:31 PM # Q
Telstra are I suspect going to get the ultimate punishment with the wide availability of wireless broadband and VOIP advances...couldnt happen to a nicer corporation (or lemming investors)

Where do We Go Nowwwwwww?!

- Sir Axl de Rose, 1986

RE: GSM?
freakout @ 6/26/2006 2:52:17 AM # Q
^^ I share the sentiment.

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Really? You can accept a call while browsing?

cervezas @ 6/13/2006 11:23:06 AM # Q
Ryan, if I read you correctly you are saying that you can accept a call while you are browsing or checking email. That's a very significant new capability for a Treo. Can you also do the reverse: launch the browser and browse to a site while a call is in progress?

If so, it sounds like Garnet may be UMTS compliant, now, which would in my opinion be bigger news than the release of the 700p itself. It means we will probably see a 3G Treo for GSM networks much sooner than expected (i.e. Palm won't have to wait for the completion of a successor to Palm OS Garnet).

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
AdamaDBrown @ 6/13/2006 1:03:25 PM # Q
Not quite. EVDO allows you to send or receive a call while you're on the data connection, but data is suspended while you talk. That's just the way the standard works. In essence, voice is now prioritized, but you still can't talk and surf at the same time. That's the case with any EVDO device.

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
cervezas @ 6/13/2006 1:10:11 PM # Q
AdamaDBrown wrote:
EVDO allows you to send or receive a call while you're on the data connection, but data is suspended while you talk. That's just the way the standard works. In essence, voice is now prioritized, but you still can't talk and surf at the same time. That's the case with any EVDO device.

That was my impression, too, which is why I asked Ryan to confirm if he really meant you could "receive calls while the Internet connection is active." That would be something we haven't seen before.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
hkklife @ 6/13/2006 2:50:44 PM # Q
Did past Treos allow full PDA functionality while in a voice call?

I have to admit that the 700P has performed admirably for me when doing PDA basic while having a call on speakerphone.
It's also "multitasked" quite well when playing MP3 in the background.

But I would not get my hopes up for a UMTS FrankenGarnet Treo anytime soon.

I predict that Palm will release a semi-comprehensive Treo 650 (FAT32, Blazer update, BB connect etc) ROM update for GSM models *ONLY* within the next few months. They will then follow
with a slightly thinner & sleeker WinMob UMTS Treo this fall. That'll have to do for GSM markets until Palm can come up with the "next" version of POS, whatever its origins.

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RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
AdamaDBrown @ 6/13/2006 4:28:49 PM # Q
Did past Treos allow full PDA functionality while in a voice call?

Yes, if you were using a headset or the speakerphone. For obvious reasons, you couldn't use the earpiece and see the screen at the same time. :)



RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
Ryan @ 6/13/2006 4:46:13 PM # Q
Like Adama said, you can't use the web or data when on a call. However while on a call you can exit out to the launcher and use most apps, such as the calendar or memo pad. You could do this on all previous palm os treo's.
Bluetooth Multi-tasking.
Surur @ 6/13/2006 6:36:06 PM # Q
I dont see this mentioned, but do people here know Palm rewrote the bluetooth stack to make it multi-threaded. This now allows people to connect to multiple bluetooth devices at the same time, such as a headset and GPS unit. Apparently this works too (haltingly).

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
Dr Opinion @ 6/15/2006 4:33:49 PM # Q
Surur shared good news. Dr Opinion fell off chair, shocked. :)

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RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
Surur @ 6/15/2006 5:05:49 PM # Q
Well, I am personally surprised people are not making a bigger deal out of this. It indicates a significant investment in POS by either Palm or PalmSource. Maybe POS isn't abandonware after all.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
dkirker @ 6/15/2006 9:50:42 PM # Q
I am extremely happy that Palm is offering Bluetooth 1.2 support. I am curious to know what profiles they might add in the future.

Just a few quick "off-topic" questions. 1) Now, I heard that the TX uses a BT 1.1 stack but a BT 1.2 capable chipset. Would it be possible to use the BT Stack (and appropriate, non-Treo/phone specific profiles) from the Treo 700p on the TX? 2) Do any programmers know where I can find info about creating my own BT profiles? I have looked, only briefly, and found nothing.

I hope to see (and expect) many more "innovations" (well, for lack of a better word since many more innovative technologies exist) like this from Palm.

You CANNOT accept a call while browsing.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/15/2006 9:51:41 PM # Q
Well, I am personally surprised people are not making a bigger deal out of this. It indicates a significant investment in POS by either Palm or PalmSource. Maybe POS isn't abandonware after all.

Surur

If Palm was going to release a multimedia device that used Bluetooth for wireless streaming of music, wouldn't it make sense to allow more than one Bluetooth connection at a time? (Of course, that's just TVoR SPECULATING...)

TVoR

P.S. Bluetooth is not exactly "rocket surgery". Or should I say "brain science"? Remember, Kiddies: The Walrus was Jeff. Goo goo g' joob*...

*Marty's theme.

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
dkirker @ 6/15/2006 9:57:24 PM # Q
Also, I agree with Surur. This is a pretty big and significant deal.

Definitely something that is very important. (Ok, now that I have talked to much, I will continue reading...)

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
dkirker @ 6/15/2006 11:40:02 PM # Q
If Palm was going to release a multimedia device that used Bluetooth for wireless streaming of music, wouldn't it make sense to allow more than one Bluetooth connection at a time? (Of course, that's just TVoR SPECULATING...)

TVoR

TVoR, you are 100%. The problem is, as Palm has proven in the past, they don't always think completely. Remember how many of their device have been half-***ed. For instance, the TX's lack of microphone (they don't take up much room and there is no excuse to leave them out). I definitely agree with you and Surur on this (hence the reason o make it a big deal. Finally, Palm did something better).

-Donald

You can accept a call... ever.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2006 3:05:42 AM # Q
I think you missed my hint. And from what I've heard, Palm's tradition continues. And my VZ90 continues to reign supreme. This is my final clue. Remember: Bluetooth is NOT rocket surgery/brain science. But a lot of precious resources have been wasted.

I am the Eggman

RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
freakout @ 6/16/2006 3:38:09 AM # Q
Care to speculate a bit more, TVoR? Would this hypothetical device stream to sound systems, BT headphones or anything with a bluetooth receiver? Would it be an iPod competitor?

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RE: Really? You can accept a call while browsing?
hkklife @ 6/16/2006 11:32:11 AM # Q
Well, I've long maintained that Palm may (note *MAY*) send FrankenGarnet out with a bang with as close to an uber-device as they can cobble together without breaking too much of a sweat.

TVoR's suggestion would provide the final piece of the puzzle. And, folks, all of this is possible under FrankenGarnet!

By "uber device" I mean one tablet-style PDA that combines the best of the T3/T5/LD/TX in one device:

Basically, something a tad larger than a TX but smaller than a TX. It could theoretically have a bright HVGA screen (18-bit), a removable high-capacity Treo battery, a voice recorder, vibrating alarm, charging LED, FAT32 SDIO slot, 128mb of program memory with generous heap & DBCache sizes. BT & wi-fi w/ BT 1.2 & A2DP support natively. Finally, 2 or 4gb of flash storage onboard would seal the deal.

Palm'll bundle a pair of mediocre BT headphones with it as a promo and/or sell a Palm-rebranded pair of Logitechs for $100.

Palm would probably use such a device to replace the LD and possible the TX in one fell swoop.

If a device with the above specs (and likely $400-$500 pricetag) flops like the LD then Palm will throw in the towel in the PDA & "mobile manager" media devices and focus only on Treos.

Everything above could be pulled off under FrankenGarnet. It could all be put into a sleek & stylish, well-built device with an MSRP of $400 and still sold quite profitably.

In the event of a helacious turn of events (Palm's own Linux solution is delayed, ALP is a no-show) and/or the need to pinch pennies, Palm could take the new BT stack out of the Treo 700P (or the above device) and stick it in the TX. Alongside a micropone and a higher capacity battery such a TX2 could be sold it as a light-duty multiledia/VOiP solution to renegade mobile users who don't want to be shackled to the cellular providers (and to people who didn't stock up on TH55s while they were cheap!) ;-)



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A few additional thoughts & initial observations...

hkklife @ 6/13/2006 10:42:18 AM # Q
I just wanted to throw in a couple of observations on my Treo 700P:

-My screen is on the yellowish side. While it is indeed brighter than my TX's (which itself has a blue tint) it's nowhere near as bright as the last few Treo 650's I've examined. With two 700P's already here in our office and two more being owned by colleagues (all of them are VZW Treos by the way) mine is the dimmest and most yellow of them all. My keyboard's backlight is also somewhat inconsistently ulluminated unless it's set past 3/4 brightness.

-Battery life has been surprisingly mediocre. This is the 2nd Verizon EVDO device I've owned (V3c was the first) and both device switch constantly between EVDEO & 1x modes, thereby drastically impacting battery life. I am barely able to get through a full 12hr day (work + whatever I do in the evening) with my standard pattern of phone usage + some light web browsing and auto-checking e-mail every 2 hours.
I've ordered a Seidio extended battery but they've been procvessing my order for a week now and still haven't shipped it...Palm should sell the 2400mAh battery at retail with their own name on it. I'd gladly have paid $50 for it just to get 30% more time out of the battery!

-I also got the Treo cradle kit (rev B) and while it's spectacularly ugly in comparison to my backlit TX/T5/LD/E2 cradle, it's heavier and stable on the desktop. No issues with syncing from my end. I'm going to do a review of it soon.

-I installed the latest version of SplashPhoto on the 700P and was able to extract slightly better quality photos out of the 700's camera by using the Splash camera app instead of the default Palm one! Splash is also an infinitely better photo viewer as well but the Palm one is their best ever stock photo viewer.

-PTunes is really jumpy on my 700P. Changing SD cards (blue Sandisk to an Ultra II) doesn't help any. I am sure this can be remedied by a patch. It actually reminds me of the LifeDrive when it stutters.

-There IS some lag/delay when switching between apps. It's most pronounced when entering phone mode and/or trying to use the keypad while on a call. It reminds me of a "fresh" LifeDrive or a T5 pre-1.1 update--it's aggravatingly laggy but not a dealbreaker. I was trying to delete voicemails the other day and ended up pushing "7" 3x in a row because the Palm wasn't accepting the button press! I hope this is addressed in a forthcoming ROM update!

-I vastly prefer the 700P/W key design over the 650 & 600's. Everything about the formfactor is better...it looks slightly sleeker and the d-pad is better too. I still cannot stand the antenna jutting out of the top of the Treo and I wish the light silver bands on each side of the Treo had some kind of rubberized texture or coating on them.

-Initial stability is better than my TX's. I haven't installed any games other than Bejeweled 2 and Solitaire on it. Only an ancient app (Handmark's Checklist) crashed the 700P. That's been the only casualty of the migration. TomTom Navigator 5 is having some serious install issues with Palm Desktop 4.2 but I've managed to work around them and have gotten TT & its maps on the Treo. I am expecting at least a handful of games to be broken by the Treo's button remapping. However, I am going to keep it in the stock configuration and not mess with LudusP (a tleast for the time being).

-MobiTV. I cannot fathom why anyone would pay for SprinTV when you can get a ton of channels direct from Handmark for $10/month AND with better encoding quality too! I have been very pleasantly surprised by MobiTV.

-VersaMail is FINALLY stable. 6 POP accounts, downloading attachments & HTML emails and not a single crash yet. Only two Blazer crashes as well!


What I'd like to see Palm or someone else relase for the 700 series:

1. An even higher capacity battery (2800mAh?) fitting in the same original battery door.

2. A replacement battery door with a grippy & durable rubberized coating on it. Due to its width & thickness (I have short, thick fingers) I feel like I am sometimes close to droppping the Treo when I am trying to answer it in the midst of something else.

3. A ROM update to address the few OS quirks as well as the app switching lag and some of the phone hiccups. ROM updater utilities for updating DTG 8 & PTunes to the latest Premium/Deluxe versions without sacrificing valuable RAM would be great!

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RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Ronin @ 6/13/2006 7:13:53 PM # Q
Question: the rvw says the version 8.001 of DTG is included in ROM. However, 8.003 is the current version of DTG and has been out for few months. Is the review accurate or is 8.003 in ROM?

In the Spirit of Umoja,
Ronin
RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Simony @ 6/13/2006 7:51:30 PM # Q
> What I'd like to see Palm or someone else relase for the 700 series:

What I'd like to see is a version of this with the stupid keyboard replaced by a plain old hard GIA. (Yes, I know that will never happen.)

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their profits.

RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Gekko @ 6/13/2006 8:12:21 PM # Q

hkk - Congrats on finally getting a Treo. It's about f***ing time. Enjoy.



RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Pam @ 6/24/2006 11:06:31 PM # Q
I bought the 700P last Thursday. (Haven't mentioned it to my husband yet. He'll notice soon.)

Docs to Go 8.001 was the version included on my ROM. I did the free update to 8.003. I now show "documents" is version 8.003 but occupies 530k of memory.



Any 700p Surprises?
Gekko @ 5/29/2007 12:45:29 PM # Q

i'm upgrading soon to the 700p from a 650. am i in for any good or bad surprises?

thanks

RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
hkklife @ 5/29/2007 12:50:51 PM # Q
I predict:

PAIN, PAIN, AND MORE PAIN!

Verizon or Sprint?

If Sprint then try to get a 755p if at ALL possible.

If Verizon, then try to hold out until the 700p ROM update is released.

You WILL love the EVDO, extra memory and the improved keyboard over the 650.

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RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/29/2007 12:52:55 PM # Q
> i'm upgrading soon to the 700p from a 650. am i in
> for any good or bad surprises?...

Not sure if it qualifies as "good or bad" but you WILL be surprised at how many people actually believe you!

Giggle.

RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Gekko @ 5/29/2007 2:25:37 PM # Q

Sprint. No choice, it's company-issue.

maybe Sprint has a new updated stable ROM? Ryan's review said the 700p was more stable than the 650.



RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
hkklife @ 5/29/2007 2:47:33 PM # Q
First things first:

#1 Try to hold out until the 700p ROM update arrives (hopefully this week but at this stage of the game I'll be pleasantly surprised if it even comes out at all).
I think that flashing a brand new phone with the ROM updat would be the best possible scenario.

Since the 700p has been EOL'd, I doubt anyone will ever be selling them pre-patched. The best you can possibly hope for is the "newer" old ROM version (like the Alltel 700p has) that slightly addresses the BT issues.

#2 Make sure you install whatever version of Palm Desktop is in the 700p's bundled software CD. Also seek out the latest versions of all apps you use and redodnwload/reinstall them freshly. Don't just do a straight up Hotsync from your 650 to the 700p! Check web pages & Treo forums for any potential program incompatibilities.

#3 Copy over your PIM data manually and/or beam it over. You don't want to corrupt the 700p with any old leftover junk from the 650.

#4 Purchase a Seidio 2400mAh battery for the 700p. The stock one will go down in a hurry. Also get yourself a decent case. With the conversion of 3/4 of Palm's Treo lineup to the new antennaless 680/750/755 formfactor, 700-series stuff may become harder to find. I'd also recommend buying a 4gb SD 1.1 card (I recommend Patriot or Transcend or OCZ) to maximize the device's storage capacity. make sure it's a regular SD 4gb card and NOT the newer SDHC (SD 2.0) variant. if you don't need 4gb then the 2gb Sandisk Ultra II Plus cards are nice due to their built in USB ports.


Gekko;
Do you Hostync at home on a personal machine or at work on a company machine? Are either of them running Vista? If so then see this week's PIC news item on Vista compatibility update.

The 700p probably crashes less frequently than the 650 did BUT it's laggy as he11 and has an even worse Bluetooth implementation. The voice performance is also pitiful (compared to a good dumbphone) on the 700p. Compared to a 650, the 700p's voice quality is slightly better but its reception is nothing to write home about.


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RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Gekko @ 5/29/2007 4:04:07 PM # Q

hkk - thanks for the tips.



RE: 700P - A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Gekko @ 5/30/2007 6:25:33 PM # Q

got the 700p

1. love the faster Sprint EV-DO (or whatever the call it). Blazer and Email are much more bearable.
2. hate the new key layout - but i'll get used to it. used th 650 for 2+ years so change is painful.
3. love all the RAM! feels so nice not to be squeezed into a 23MB box.
4. form factor is solid and pretty much same as 650.
5. BT - dont use it except for occasional file transfer.
6. IR - my Thinkpad recognizes the 700p's via IR as a "Palm III". strange.
7. device hasnt crashed yet - seems more stable than the 650.

nice upgrade for me because of EV-DO and RAM.

RE: A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
hkklife @ 5/30/2007 8:14:08 PM # Q
Gekko:

What hardware revision is yours? What is the ROM version on it?

How is the lag?

Which OS is on your Thinkpad? I'd assume it treats it as a Palm III either due to the age of the OS (Win 2k or XP SP1?) or due to the fact that the Palm IR stack hasn't been changed since the Palm III days of 1998.

Have you started installing the latest versions of all of your apps yet?
Isn't the new Palm Messaging SMS app fantastic? I love the threaded view!



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RE: HKK - A few additional thoughts & initial observations...
Gekko @ 5/30/2007 10:51:00 PM # Q
>What hardware revision is yours? What is the ROM version on it?

Hardware A
ROM 1.08

>How is the lag?

not so bad - a little more than the 650.

>Which OS is on your Thinkpad? I'd assume it treats it as a Palm III either due to the age of the OS (Win 2k or XP SP1?) or due to the fact that the Palm IR stack hasn't been changed since the Palm III days of 1998.

Windows XP SP2

>Have you started installing the latest versions of all of your apps yet?

only have about 5 - they all seem to work. i'm a minimalist. i don't want to ever fall in love with any one app.

>Isn't the new Palm Messaging SMS app fantastic? I love the threaded view!

yes - seems pretty much same as the 650.


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PERSONAL REVIEW

paidinfullfilmz @ 6/13/2006 7:14:10 PM # Q
i have owned my new 700p for since sprint pcs first released it. i had hoped to hear some personal reviews about the new device prior to this artical, but i suppose this can help those thinking about purchasing one:

OVERALL LOOK:
1. first i agree with the holding the device, it is a bit slippery. but as compared to the 600 or 650 it feels more solid and the slipperiness has improved.
2. the keypad buttons are much bigger, which is a blessing and a curse. a) being use to my old treo, i have found myself typing words with wrong letters b)faster typing once you get the hang of it
3. there is a 'dial' and 'end/power' button. i am not sure about other users, but i always found the space bar or screen dial works fine. to me this has become a problem with my device powering on in my pocket, and in case.
4. the screen resolution is the selling and buying point of this unit.

OVERALL SOUND:
1. from a former 600 user, the sound on the rings and even hearing someone on the other end is a 100% better.
2. people have said they have heard me better.
3. audio from the ptunes and mobitv sound great on the speaker.

PROGRAMS:
1. there is a lag between programs, but once you are in the device sails.
2. i've noticed in blazer that if you do not refresh you will not have an updated page.
3. evdo is awesome, dl and uploads are so much faster

MISC NOTES:
-the device is great, i've been happy with the upgrade. i didn't change from the 600 to the 650 in hopes there would be a major improvement. but i would tell any 650 owner to make the change.
-since this is a new device, great cases are hard to find. i am very picky on my cases and it took me a good 6 months to find the perfect case for my 600. i am anticipating that with this one as well. right now the metal rhinoskin is way too bulky (no suprise), the palm metal case, opens when you aren't wanting it to, and it is hard to get to when you are sitting down. and the sena leather case i use to own is too tight.

... i am thinking i want a nice vertical case that had a metal clip (not the plastic two piecer). it also should have a top cover to protect from lite rain.

-i use my device on the average of 12hrs (phone, internet, email, text), so be prepared to buy a car charger.
-earlier i said this thing is solid, well i dropped it while running over asphalt and there is not a scratch on the sucker!
-bluetooth works great! printer and wireless headset
-NO ONE HAS SAID THIS YET BUT no more flashing led light. it only flashes when you have a message

anyway, i hope this helps those thinking of buying one. good luck and enjoy!



RE: PERSONAL REVIEW
Fly-By-Wire @ 7/3/2006 10:25:40 AM # Q
Great info.....I have been a Treo 600 user for 2 years. Love the device. Everything has worked well. I use the internet/email/ Quick Office and phone every day My only problem is the sensativity of the touch screen. I have broken 3 screens due to being pressed up against something and caused the screen to break below the surface and go blue/orange crackel. It happenend 3 seperat times. Finally Sprint canceled my insurnce. I bought one of those metal hard cases with a clear hard screen cover. I cracked it in the 2nd week (ain't it great). I taped over the cover with clear tape ane pressed onfor the last 1 1/2 years. The key here is a HARD plastic CLEAR screen cover. That way I can see the callers, view the screen without removing the protection.

I hope I can find a great cover when I get a 700P

Fly-By-Wire

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Battery life and 3rd party applications

GavinL @ 6/13/2006 8:53:13 PM # Q
I have been a long time palm user. I have upgraded from the 650.
I am experiencing a very shortened battery life with the 700p. I am on my third phone...I went to a different Verizon store thinking my usual one got a bad batch. While this is better, it still does not get me through a full day without a charge via car or wall.

I had many third party applications on my 650. Using a memory card, since the memory on the 650 was so little. That was one of my reasons for upgrading...speed of course, was the other..and etc.
Well, I have been totally unsuccessful installing ZAGAT on my phone....I keep crashing...and I have deleted Avantgo...can not use.....

When I look at these programs on their own web site...I don't yet see that the 700p is even listed...I don't know if this is then causing the phone to crash. ZAGAT did not think so, but I have tried all things to get it working...unsuccessful..

Anyway..any input is good...


RE: Battery life and 3rd party applications
cmf @ 6/15/2006 11:05:17 AM # Q
We recently upgraded a user from the 650 to the 700p and he is experiencing the same issues with battery life. He will fully charge his phone at night and turn off the wireless and the battery will be down to 50% or less the next morning without running any applications or wireless functions.

We assumed it was a faulty device/battery so we got a complete replacement but still have the same battery issues. He is using GoodLink but that's about it.

At this point we're looking at purchasing the extended life battery (2400mAh) but I was wondering if anyone is using it and how well it works. Also, a recommendation on where to purchase would be appreciated because it sounds like they are hard to find. THX

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Phone dialing

mnmmichael @ 6/14/2006 1:13:21 AM # Q
Does the 700P have a voice activated dialing system?

RE: Phone dialing
freakout @ 6/14/2006 3:22:48 AM # Q
^^ Nope. Palm have once again skimped on this feature, which is rather disppointing, considering it's standard on most high-end phones nowadays and even a lot of low-end ones. There *are* third party apps that allow this, but who wants to pay extra for something that should have come with the phone in the first place?

This is one area where the 700w betters the 700p.

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RE: Phone dialing
hkklife @ 6/14/2006 10:21:10 AM # Q
700W betters the 700P in:

Voice dialing
Multi-tasking
Voicemail handling (the nifty VCR-like controls onscreen)


700P betters the 700W in:

Screen resolution
User-friendliness
Overall performance & memory usage (given that both have similar physical memory architectures)

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

RE: Phone dialing
ChiA @ 6/14/2006 3:21:32 PM # Q
700W betters the 700P in:

Let's not forget the wi-fi SD card for the 700w!
RE: Phone dialing
hkklife @ 6/14/2006 3:53:40 PM # Q
Ooh good one! I forgot about that. So the 700W wins "on paper" but the 700P provides an overall more compelling user experience.

I'd be curious to see if a 700W is the same as the 700P in an apples-to-apples (as much as that is possible with wireless devices) comparison of battery life.

Something else I didn't see on Ryan's review that TreoCentral (I think) referred to is that the 700P's screen is 2mm larger diagonal than the 650's. That's not a ton but ever bit of extra screen size is appreciated since none of us are getting any younger. Is there any truth to this report? Anyone got a 700P, a 650 and a ruler handy?



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RE: Phone dialing
freakout @ 6/15/2006 5:47:08 AM # Q
hklife - If you're looking for on-screen voicemail controls, give 2dial a try. It's a bit of a pain to set up, but the bonus is that you can also set it up for your phone banking and anything else you dial frequently that has an IVR system.

(http://software.palminfocenter.com/product.asp?id=1813).

This would be a great idea for Palm to steal.

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RE: Phone dialing
Wiesemeyer @ 8/18/2006 9:26:15 AM # Q
I bought/installed Treo Voice Dialing by VoiceSignal, having used it on my prior 650 and it works just as good on the 700p -- with added features.

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A homerun

adamsmark @ 6/14/2006 1:34:37 AM # Q
I don't want to be overly enthusiastic, but if you're already happy with the Treo 650, as I am, the Treo 700p is a homerun. If you're a long-time Palm user, and you've got loads of software, I don't know how you could prefer any other smartphone.

1. Broadband access -- much faster than NationalAccess on the 650, and now with images (on the 650 I disabled images to move things along). I just downloaded a book in minutes, which is faster than my dial-up at home.

2. Memory -- 60MB of user memory is a vast improvement. Yeah, I'd like more, but the 700's capacity is a good upgrade.

3. Camera -- much better images, though a bit darker in poor lighting (as noted in another user review). Still, the 700's pictures are usable; the 650's were merely novel.

4. Buttons -- what the hell were they thinking???? Fortunately, for five bucks you can re-assign those buttons. Problem solved.

5. Overall improvements -- Palm tweaked quite a few of the applications: data seems to read faster off the card (I have a 2 gig card); e-mail is a breeze to set up; Docs to Go is a great, preinstalled feature; Audible is another nice offering.

What more could I want?

1. More memory -- come on Palm, ever since the 2MB Palm V you've been skimping on memory. When will we measure our internal memory in gigs?

2. Buttons -- a bit spongy if you ask me, though still solid.

3. More camera controls. Seems to me that a bit of software could turn the camera into something very useful.

4. Big screen -- drop the keyboard, give us a graffiti option (G1 preferably, or I'd stick with the keyboard).

5. GPS, iPod, heart monitor, and anything else you can think of...

RE: A homerun
freakout @ 6/14/2006 3:31:53 AM # Q
^^ RE a "bigger screen" Treo, who else thinks a T5-style slider would be a great solution here? It would enable Palm to keep the Treo's (barely) pocketable form factor *and* improve the web browsing and media experience. Win-win.

I've never actually seen a T5; was the slider a good one? Prone to breakage or anything?

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RE: A homerun
naio21 @ 6/14/2006 8:06:54 AM # Q
T5 or T3? :-O

Ivan
RE: A homerun
cervezas @ 6/14/2006 8:27:24 AM # Q
You meant T3. I liked the slider and haven't had trouble with mine in almost 3 years of use. I don't think the T3's Zaurus-style slider would be best for a phone but the kind that splits the phone in half longitudinally might be good. I'd like to see the kind that slides out the side and gives preference to working in landscape mode.

Ultimately, I'd prefer a smaller clamshell model, though, even without a keyboard. Give me a Samsung i-500 with Bluetooth and I'll be happy, OS 4.1 and all. That phone hit the sweet spot of tiny size, solid OS, great phone, long battery life, and outstanding build quality like nothing has since, in my opinion--one of the few things I completely agree with TVoR about. It is an absolute joy to use.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

Beersy agrees with me??? I feel unclean.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/14/2006 10:04:01 PM # Q
one of the few things I completely agree with TVoR about.

Oh please. Stop trying to delude everyone here. You know that in reality you agree with EVERYTHING I say, Beersy.


Give me a Samsung i-500 with Bluetooth and I'll be happy, OS 4.1 and all. That phone hit the sweet spot of tiny size, solid OS, great phone, long battery life, and outstanding build quality like nothing has since, in my opinion... It is an absolute joy to use.

Well said. The Samsung i500 is the best cellphone I've EVER used. I want a cellphone to function first as a great PHONE and then everything beyond that is a bonus. With perfect voice quality, reliability, digital/analog capability, decent reception, small size, very good battery life and jewel-like construction, it's already a killer phone. Add in (stable, bulletproof) PalmOS 4.1 and you have a near-perfect package. The only things I really would change in the i500 would be to increase available RAM to 64 or 128 MB, add a 320 x 320 screen, add Bluetooth and add an SD(IO) slot.


RE: A homerun
freakout @ 6/15/2006 6:01:13 AM # Q
"I completely agree with TVoR"

Hang on, the weather didn't say anything about hell freezing over! ;) I'd love to see a clamshell Treo too (LiveFaith's "Flipper" comes to mind).

And yes, I did mean T3. Whoops.

Question for all: if you were Palm, and you were designing the (rumoured) Lowrider, what kind of formfactor would it come in? Clamshell? Candy-bar? Keyboard or keypad?

Personally, I'd like to see a smaller, clamshell Treo, with a keypad. (Keyboards are too scary and geeky-looking for the average Joe, I've concluded.) Retain the high-res screen and it'd be a beauty. Oh, and I'd like it in black, please.



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RE: A homerun
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/15/2006 12:15:30 PM # Q
"I completely agree with TVoR"

Methinks that quote is going to come back to haunt Beersy...

TVoR

RE: A bunt single
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/15/2006 4:25:21 PM # Q
Personally, I'd like to see a smaller, clamshell Treo, with a keypad. (Keyboards are too scary and geeky-looking for the average Joe, I've concluded.) Retain the high-res screen and it'd be a beauty. Oh, and I'd like it in black, please.


Here's your dream phone:

http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=156

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6725

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7567/sprint-cancels-samsung-i550-smartphone/

I gave up hoping for the i550 and bought a few i500 phones as backups to use over the next few years. (Sprint originally sold them for $600 but blew them out for only $300 earlier this year.) Unfortunately, you can only get refurbished i500 on eBay now.

I've officially given up buying new hardware, since the stuff I have now already does everything I need from a PDA or smartphone.

TVoR

RE: A homerun
freakout @ 6/16/2006 3:40:04 AM # Q
TVoR, it looks like an extremely nice unit. Why on Earth didn't Sprint release it?

Personally, I couldn't live without a keyboard for messaging anymore, but Palm really could take a few design lessons from Samsung to implement on their upcoming models. If the "leaked" pics are to be believed, then Hollywood isn't going to wow anyone, but there's still an opportunity to make the (rumoured) Lowrider a much more attractive unit than past Treos.

All it takes is a little imagination. Hopefully Palm are up to the task...

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RE: A swing and a miss
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2006 4:24:23 PM # Q
TVoR, it looks like an extremely nice unit. Why on Earth didn't Sprint release it?

No EVDO.

Oh, and because Sprit are idiots


TVoR

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700p v 700w

mnmmichael @ 6/14/2006 6:22:02 PM # Q
Hey, thanks for the answer to the voice dial question. My 13 year old son can't imagine why I wouldn't buy the 700w, I think the newness of the 700w can't compare to the reliability of the 700p but I can't help thinking the link with my windows based computer couldn't hurt. So what's the answer? I'm a real estate agent and I use the voice dial all the time, I would also like the IrDA (infrared) feature that allows me to use the phone to access the real estate keyboxs and updates itself every night. Which direction should I go? Is the P's 320x320 display that much better than the W's? So many questions, so little time.

RE: 700p v 700w
freakout @ 6/15/2006 6:19:26 AM # Q
Not sure about the IrDA thing - how exactly does it work? - but both Treos have an IR port.

In truth, there's not a whole lot of things on *either* Treo that can't be done on the other with a few extra third-party apps (tons of them around; try the Palminfocenter store and mytreo.net). If you need constant wi-fi access, you're much better off with the 700w, as you can just drop in an SD card to do it. Also, if you need Windows Mobile-only apps, then obviously you'll have to go 700w.

That said, (and this is all personal opinion) the 700p is a better choice, as PalmOS is simply less clunky that Windows Mobile. It's easier to learn and it's easier to use. For example, the phone controls on the 700p are represented by big on-screen buttons, whereas the 700w hides these under a menu. It'll be slightly more responsive, has the most brilliant SMS software ever devised and actually features *better* compatibility with Office applications (via Docs2Go) than the 700w. PocketTunes also makes it a superior mp3 player. Finally, the 700w runs on rather weak hardware for a Windows Mobile device, whereas the 700p is the most powerful Palm Treo yet.

Much of it comes down to personal preference. Make your local sales guy give you a demo and let you play with both!

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RE: 700p v 700w
hkklife @ 6/15/2006 9:39:35 AM # Q
Right now the 700P rates, even for the OS-agnostic user,as "mildly" better than the W due to screen resolution & ease of use.

After (if?) Palm patches the major 700P issues (reduced EVDO throughput, lag in phone app, skipping in PTunes) and the developer community irons rolls out updates to their programs to make them 700P-aware (TomTom, many games) then you should be in even better shape.

Of course, with the POS market consolidating daily you run the risk of many apps being forever broken by the 700P and never seeing another update.

Never in computing have I never seen such a trail littered by software corpses within the SAME OS as I've experienced migrating from a T|T to a T2 to a T3 to a T5 to a TX to a 700P!

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

RE: 700p v 700w
Dr Opinion @ 6/15/2006 6:01:43 PM # Q
> "...Never in computing have I never seen such a trail littered by software corpses within the SAME OS..."

You're a friking commedian. The number AND percentage of Palm OS 1.0 applications that can still run on current palm hardware is MUCH higher than the number of wince apps since wince 1.0 that run on current hardware. Since, like, NO APPS AT ALL from wince 1.0 run on current hardware. Duh.

Oh, and let's look at Windows while we're at it... the path from 3.0,3.1,95,98,98SE,2000 to Vista has killed or crippled thousands of applications. Why is Bill rich? Because millions of Americans have bought the SAME functionality over, and over, and over. And soon will again. :)


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RE: 700p v 700w
Surur @ 6/15/2006 7:36:15 PM # Q
Since, like, NO APPS AT ALL from wince 1.0 run on current hardware. Duh.

Ah D.O. that was a bold lie. Of course you felt pretty safe in making it, because who could dig up software for an OS which lasted less than one year almost 10 years ago? Lucky I'm around then.

Anyway, its completely false. I have just downloaded, successfully installed and run PocketDos version 1.1, for Windows CE 1.x, and its runs perfectly fine, and very fast on my VGA WM5 keyboarded HTC Universal.

I guess its just another of your usual lies about the faults of the competition and the capabilities of POS. Shame on you.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...

RE: 700p v 700w
Simony @ 6/15/2006 8:46:54 PM # Q
All that may be true. However, there have been complaints about backwards compatibility in the WinCE forums and, certainly, a number of leading developers for that platform are very careful about specifying what version of WinCE their applications are intended to run on. The same is true for Palm OS, of course. Why are we debating this?

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their profits.
RE: 700p v 700w
Surur @ 6/16/2006 2:37:03 AM # Q

Becase D.O. said zero of course. I thought freakout's assessment was fair and level headed. Then D.O. comes along and spouts not even half-truths but complete falsehoods. Exaggerating is almost a certain way to be wrong. I just dont want wrong information to spread (as it tends to do).

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...

Backwards compatibility on PalmOS
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2006 3:22:48 AM # Q
However, there have been complaints about backwards compatibility in the WinCE forums and, certainly, a number of leading developers for that platform are very careful about specifying what version of WinCE their applications are intended to run on. The same is true for Palm OS, of course. Why are we debating this?

Once upon a time one of the MAJOR advantages of PalmOS over WinCE flavors was the stability + backwards compatibility offered by PalmOS year after year after year. Most of the apps I run on my PalmOS 5 devices are over 5 years old. But like PalmOS of yore, they just plain WORK. Unfortunately, as PalmOS was hacked up in order to deal with unexpected demands (like handling NVFS) backwards compatibility and stability were deemed expendable.

Yes, WinCE has a much shoddier history of backwards compatibility (partly related to the history of running on multiple processor types, as well as Microsoft's penchant for releasing OSes before they're ready for prime time), but now PalmOS is sinking to that level.


TVoR

RE: 700p v 700w - Voice Dailing
Pam @ 6/24/2006 11:34:25 PM # Q
My new 700p (Verizon version) came with a voice dialing application on the disk. I've installed it and now I'm testing it out. Only issue I'm aware of is you can't voice dial when using the bluetooth headset (per the info with the program). Instead you are supposed to dial with voice, and then turn on the bluetooth.

to answer mnmmichael's five-month-old question.....
freakout @ 11/4/2006 5:13:46 PM # Q
I would also like the IrDA (infrared) feature that allows me to use the phone to access the real estate keyboxs and updates itself every night.

I was reading Treocentral this morning and remembered this thread. This feature is now available for the 700p: http://tinyurl.com/yjb3dy. (Link leads to a PDF)

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

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Accessories From 650 To 700p

jacobinkc @ 6/22/2006 11:22:05 AM # Q
Hi everyone - I am currently using a Sprint version of the Treo 650. I just ordered the 700p...does anyone know if the car charger or cradles have the same form factor between the 650 and 700p?

Thank you - Jake

RE: Accessories From 650 To 700p
hkklife @ 6/22/2006 11:28:41 AM # Q
Most everything SHOULD fit. Styli can be a bit fussy between the two units, as can some cases that are snug or form-fitting. Also the 700P's screen is supposedly 2mm larger diagonally than the 650's was.

Otherwise you should be fine as far as cables, cradles and plug-in peripherals. Oh I think the battery cover doors are different even though the batteries themselves are compatible.



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700p

eddief @ 6/22/2006 4:43:38 PM # Q
I had the 700w for 3 months and it was the worst phone I had ever had. I go the 700p last week and it is great. Some of the problems with the phone is the battery. With verizon push it eats up battery life when I am in 1X. The buttons are much better than the 700w and easier to use. By the way I had 8 700w and could not wait to get rid of it.

RE: 700p
hkklife @ 6/22/2006 5:12:10 PM # Q
Get a Seidio 2400 mAh battery. That will help matters drastically. If that's not good enough then you'll have to carry a 2nd battery with you. I can recommend the Palm Treo Cradle Kit. Not the most stylish or stable cradle ever but it DOES charge a 2nd battery while the Treo is docked.

Offhand do you recall if you experienced better battery life with the 700W or the 700P?

I just hope Palm releases a ROM update soon that addresses the annoying lag/pause that often occurs when doing anything phone-related on the 700P. Fix that and the PTUnes skipping and it'll be a much nicer user experience.



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: 700p
eddief @ 6/22/2006 5:31:40 PM # Q
thanks for the info. The battery life is the same but I will take your advise and buy the other battery.


RE: 700p
eddief @ 6/22/2006 5:38:19 PM # Q
Is there any way to use gps through the phone and with verizon?


RE: 700p
AdamaDBrown @ 6/23/2006 1:48:28 AM # Q
Well, you can buy and external GPS receiver, of course. You can't use the AGPS system.

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Bluetooth GPS & Headset

gad1976 @ 6/26/2006 8:24:32 AM # Q
The review claims that two bluetooth devices can operate at the same time. I have not found that to be true. I have a bluetooth gps and headset and have not been able to use them simultaniously. Has anyone else and if so what headset and gps do you use. I am using the tomtom gps and the palm headset. Thanks.
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Yeah, but the left out one of the best features this time

madym @ 7/17/2006 8:51:19 PM # Q
Mail Merge crisis
madym @ 7/17/2006 8:38:07 PM #

My old Palm software [for earlier versions of the Treo] allowed me to mail merge using Microsoft Word's mail merge function....creating Labels and envelopes from my selected address book contacts.

I now have the Treo 700p...and it appears that they removed this utility! I'm desperate...I used the Palm address listing to create labels and print to envelops for holiday cards, bulk mailings, etc..

HELP!!!!

could sure use a software fix, work around, freeware, or even a program to fix this huge omission....

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Alltel version of 700 Treo

khaggart @ 7/18/2006 5:36:53 PM # Q
Does anyone have any idea when Alltel will release its version of the 700? They advertise the 650 but nothing on the 700. Is the 700 worth the wait?

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Still waiting for a better model

serpico @ 7/20/2006 2:31:53 AM # Q
There's not much to be impressed about here as a 650 user. I'm keeping mine until there's a new style of Treo or even another brand that can make something better than the Treo.

I think the Treo is the best device for many uses over the Windows smartphones or Symbian models. I'm curious about the new Sony Ericsson model coming out this year. I use mine mainly with a business PC notebook, so compatibility is very important with Outlook and Windows. Not sure if the S/E model will be as good as the Treo.

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Sweet Review!

S.Blogger @ 7/30/2006 8:42:23 AM # Q
Great job on this review!

Here's another really popular one that's made it all over the net:
http://spungle.blogspot.com/2006/05/treo-700p-verdict-solid.html

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media not working

fully21 @ 8/20/2006 6:22:49 PM # Q
I JUST BOUGHT THE VERIZON TREO 700P BASED ON YOUR REVIEW.
YOU WRITE THAT YOU WENT TO FOXNEWS AND CNN AND COMEDY CENTRAL AND YOU CAN WATCH THE FREE CLIPS THERE LIKE A REGULAR LAPTOP CAN BUT UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF THE ABOVE WORK FOR ME IM IN NEW YORK CITY WITH PLENTY OF EVDO SERVICE AND STILL NOT WORKING!
I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH VERIZON AS WELL AS PALM SUPPORT AND NO ONE WAS ABLE TO VERIFY THAT IT WORKS! THEY TRIED THEIRS OVER THE PHONE AND THEIRS DONT WORK! AM I MISSING SOMETHING? OR MAYBE I READ IT WRONG PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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smartPHONE?

gally @ 9/5/2006 6:10:11 PM # Q
I've had this thing for 2 days after my sony t610 finally stoped functioning (dropped once too many times, I guess).

As a PDA this thing is fine - I liked my T|T3's larger screen, but I can deal with that. The 5-way nav improvements are awsome and the keyboard wasn't as difficult to adapt to as I feared (though I still miss stylus character input).

As a PHONE, however, this thing sucks and blows at the same time! This is not a serious phone - this is an afterthought. It's fine if all you need to do is place and receive the odd call, but if you rely on it as your primary communication tool with all your clients and vendors and so on, this device can't be taken seriously.

First of all, it is not uncommon for me to have to juggle 2 or more calls at a time. This is something I have been able to do easliy on my old sony phones since the t68 I had six years ago. On the Treo? No way.

Need to answer a second incoming call? No problem. Need to switch between active calls? no problem. Need to hang up ONLY ONE OF THE ACTIVE CALLS (not "hang up all")? FORGET IT! And if one of your active calls hangs up on you? YOU CAN'T TELL BECAUSE THE DISPLAY DOESN'T UPDATE!

Need to conference in a second call? No problem - press hold, press conference, and select or dial your number. Need to conference in a second incoming call with the first call in progress? OR - call a second number without using conference and then decide later you need to conference the calls? FORGET IT! On my old Sonys, I could keep conferencing callers into the same call by simply selecting "join call" from the call menu - and continue to take incoming calls or call out on the second line. I've had up to five calls, incoming and outgoing, conferenced on the same call through my Sony. 800 conferenceing serivce? never need it!

Also, the BT implimentation on the 700p is a step backwards from the 650. I've used the same headset on both devices (I borrowed my wife's 650 temoprarily) and the call is always transfered directly to the headset on the 650. I can hang up the call from the headset, and do all the other things one should be able to do with a BT headset (plantronics 320, BT 1.2 spec). The 700p? Doesn't transfer the call automatically to the headset - I have to tap the button. It also doesn't automatically disconnect the headset when the call is ended any more, though it seems to just drop at random some time later. This is a drain on both devices to not disconnect when the connection is no longer needed. This reminds me of the anemic "handsfree" profiles used by Motorola and Nokia. And no voice dialing from a BT headset? Regardless of what 3rd party software you use? Regardless of the fact that both devices use the BT 1.2 spec that includes this feature? Regardless of the new stack handling a headset more like a handsfree? WTF!?! Once again, Sony's implimentation of BT headset profiles (not to mention voice dialing out of the box) is far and away better - I guess this only stands to reason since Ericsson pretty much authored the BT spec in the first place.

Yes, I got my wife a 650 some time ago, and she has very few issues with it. But she doesn't use a BT headset, and has a 400 minute calling plan - mine is 5000 minutes (and i use them all!). Smartphone? If you do a lot of calling for your business like I do, the 700p is neither particularly smart nor a proper phone.

KW

Palm 1000 -> Vx -> T|T -> T|T3 -> ???


RE: smartPHONE?
gally @ 9/20/2006 10:24:03 AM # Q
I must now add a correction to the above comment - The root of my problem is not, apparently, with the phone, but with the Verizon network. I was informed by Verison technical support (and had it verified twice more because I simply couldn't believe it) that the kind of call handling I was used to simply wasn't possible on their network. Right now, I am borrowing my wife's unlocked 650 and back on the T-Mobile network and I have all of the capabilities that I was used to.

The 700p itself, though, does have problems with the bluetooth stack implimentation compared to the 650 IMO. Also, the 700p had a much greater freaquency of lock-up and long delays switching between phone and palm apps - though at this point I am not sure if that is a problem with the interaction with the Verizon network.

I wonder if Sprint has the same issues? Is this the limitation of the CDMA network in general?

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3.2 megapixel camera?

viglactin @ 9/26/2006 9:31:42 AM # Q

I wonder when will palm offer a 3.2 megapixel camera with flash similar to what nokia/sonyericsson have been selling now.


RE: 3.2 megapixel camera?
ChiA @ 1/30/2007 1:29:13 PM # Q
In view of the fact Palm is yet to offer a device with a 2.0 megapixel camera and has been updating its products at an agonizingly slow pace, Palm will offer devices with 3.2 megapixel cameras once Hugo Chavez is awarded US citizenship and runs as a Republican candidate for the US presidential election.
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680 chipset

joeru @ 11/14/2006 10:51:07 AM # Q
It will be interesting to see how the voice quality of the 700p compares to the new 680. Broadcom announced a new chipset for the 680 that is supposed to improve the reception and voice quality.

- Joe

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Still looking

dawiese @ 11/14/2006 1:26:11 PM # Q
Thanks for the detailed review. Because of this I am closer to buying the Palm Treo over the MotoQ.
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my favorite

bouncy1920 @ 11/15/2006 8:49:30 PM # Q
I love agendus. I have the windows version so it's great to sync them up. I especially love the icons.
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Windows Vista

ginger212 @ 12/17/2006 10:24:44 PM # Q
Will the 700p be Vista capatible when it becomes availab.e?
RE: Windows Vista
freakout @ 12/18/2006 2:08:46 AM # Q
Palm Desktop and Hotsync don't support Vista yet, but Palm are apparently working on it and will release sometime around January.

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12656

RE: Windows Vista
SeldomVisitor @ 1/30/2007 7:14:18 AM # Q
Vista's out. Is a working Palm Desktop?

IMHO, those installing Vista NOW are exactly the types to use PALM devices. No?

RE: Windows Vista
hkklife @ 1/30/2007 3:55:17 PM # Q
Part of my major reluctance to at least Vista a whirl on my laptop or my backup desktop machine is Palm's complete inability to address the Vista situation. Right now every bit of hardware in all of my machines is Vista-compliant except for my Palm devices (unsurprising), my <1 year old Lexmark laser printer (very, very disappointing), and my laptop's integrated webcam and BT module (disappointing but not a deal breaker).

In fact, Palm's dropped the ball on Windows XP 64-bit edition, XP Media Center Edition (what most of the better pre-built, retail and enthusiast/home oriented machines shipped with in the last year or two), and Windows Server 2003 support. Basically, Palm "officially" supports only Windows XP Home and Pro(SP1 & and SP2). They are years behind the curve in regards to contemporary M$ OS offerings.

I have a feeling we'll see an update for Vista compliance about the same time we see the long delayed 700p update (April-ish).

Palm may update their support page between now and then to say something to the effect of "we have done preliminary testing and Palm Desktop included on the 700p and 680 unofficially support Vista. Owners of older Palm devices are encouraged to Hotsync to Windows XP or earlier machines until the update is released."

So much for Palm trying to target the enterprise market....businesses have had Vista since November '06. What if they had a bunch of Treos out in the field?

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Windows Vista on Palm's slothfulness
ChiA @ 1/31/2007 8:42:40 PM # Q
we have done preliminary testing and Palm Desktop included on the 700p and 680 unofficially support Vista. Owners of older Palm devices are encouraged to Hotsync to Windows XP or earlier machines until the update is released.

Preliminary testing? Unofficial support only for their latest products on the latest Windows?
Just what is Palm's problem? I'm beginning to wonder if the firm's trying to commit corporate suicide. It's not as if they've had no warning from Microsoft about (several years in the making) Vista; there have been several Vista betas and developer previews available for quite some time now.

Does Palm see Palm Desktop as no longer being useful to device owners with PCs or is it just so hard up or plain daft that it can't afford to remain a partner in Microsoft's developer network?

Just what tortures will Palm inflict on its long suffering customers next?
At this rate of regression don't be surprised if the next Treo released comes with 4 megabytes of RAM and a greyscale screen.

I do hope for Palm's sake its "secret third business" and hinted at wi-fi Treo saves its backside.
The big question is come June whether Apple's ten million iPhones will leave a gap in the market for Palm's four million Treos.

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what are the main difference between the treo 700p and the 700xw?

bigg magoo @ 1/29/2007 7:21:00 PM # Q
Im a very busy but disorganized student and I want to purchase a treo in the hope of becoming more resonisible with my schedual, schoolwork, and all around organizing my day. I know they are very simillar but i was just wanted to know which would be more useful for a student.
RE: what are the main difference between the treo 700p and the 700xw?
bigg magoo @ 1/29/2007 7:34:33 PM # Q
i meant 700wx
RE: what are the main difference between the treo 700p and the 70
SeldomVisitor @ 2/21/2007 5:42:51 AM # Q
"p" ==> PalmOS

"w" ==> Windows Mobile 5

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Treo 700p

bpallo1949 @ 2/21/2007 5:37:54 AM # Q
Someone knows if the phone is a wi.fi one?


Bruno

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have you used the phone to usb connect to laptop

epi117 @ 2/25/2007 7:42:01 PM # Q
have you used the phone to usb connect to laptop, to connect to internet?

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Bluetooth

roro @ 2/27/2007 11:34:38 PM # Q
My 650 always found my BT headset, the 700p doesn't always discover it. Any suggestion on how to have the BT headset always discovered?

roro
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700p problems

bigballs1927 @ 6/27/2007 5:46:50 PM # Q
Visit http://blog.palm.com - that should tell you all you need to know about the 700p and its many issues:)

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700p voice recorder quality

BobW @ 8/13/2007 1:22:20 AM # Q
Greetings
Am I the only person that is unhappy with the 700p record audio quality. I find the audio on the Camcorder and voice memo recordings completely awful. It's especially bad if I try recording music.

Has anyone heard of a patch or setup issue that could make the recorder quality acceptable?

My old Zire 72 makes good recordings.

BobW

RE: 700p voice recorder quality
BobW @ 8/13/2007 1:38:35 AM # Q
P.S.
Also, the video is jerky when playing back a recording using the camcorder. The video quality is good...it just skips...looks like the processor cannot keep up.

I have tried the camcorder and voice memo on 3 different 700p's and find they all performed the same..



BobW

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One word - JUNK

Spelljunkie @ 10/29/2007 1:43:32 AM # Q
I was so excited when I bought my first ever smartphone this past Valentines day; I was finishing my last semester of law school and so many plans for it - but now, I am so disgusted with it I have been working off my frustration by sharing my experience where ever I can to save others from making the same mistake. The hours I spend writing these posts and reviews is nothing compared to the hours of frustration my Treo has caused me.

Hotsyncing: when you plug the hotsync cord into the phone, it does not lock in at all. The prongs are only 1/4 inch long, so if you so much as bump the cord, or if you are not extremely careful when setting it down, it will break the connection and the hotsync will fail - it is not uncommon to have to do it a couple times. Any for example, just now when I unplugged the cord from my phone to measure the short prongs, it caused the phone to reset... And of course, the Palm Desktop/hotsync software does not work with my new laptop with Vista - no surprise there, just another reason for the piece of junk not to work. Also, I have a 1G SD card which I rarely use, but have saved some photos and few short videos of the kids on it; but of course, when I try to hotsync, it locks up when it gets to "Media" - so I have to had to use the option in the Palm Desktop to disable Media backup (either that or I can eject the card before hotsyncing).

When the you receive an incoming call, the name and number of course show up, and there are two large buttons on the screen "Answer" and "Ignore" - great, but if something happens to brush the screen around the Ignore button when taking it out of your pocket, you miss the call. I have missed several important calls this way (expecting a call, like for a job, and it finally comes, but you miss it, and by the time you work through the slow process of returning the call it can be busy when they are calling someone else - just one example of the type of call you can expect to miss).

I missed fully siding it into my shorts pocket ONE time this summer and it fell on the floor, the vibrate has never worked since (I am only 5 foot 7 so it wasn't much of a fall).

When entering your passcode for voicemail, or entering numbers in one of those systems like when paying the phone bill or utility bill over the phone, it is not unlikely that the numbers you enter will be read back to you wrong. For example, your screen shows that you entered 12345, but the system reads back that you entered 12354 - this happens on a regular basis and on totally unrelated phone systems.

I called Sprint a couple of months after I bought it because I heard that insurance is offered on phones, on of course they told me you have to have to get it in the first 30 days - of course no one told me that when I bought it, likely because they lose so much money replacing the pieces of junk that they don't want to tell anyone.

Ever try to win something by calling into a radio station? You know, when you call the first time and it is busy so you hang up and try to call right back to try again? Forget it with this thing, it is rediculous how long it takes to place a second call, and there no redial function, you have to go to the call log screen and redial from there - and even if you have it on speedial it is no faster.

The phone has crashed or spontaneously restarted when I was right in the middle of something so many times that I lost count long ago. I could go on and on even further about the misery that thing has caused me, but I think you have the idea.

The disk that comes with the phone has links to tech support, etc., but if you click on them, they cause Internet Explorer to lock up... Why should I be surprised...

Whoever says the Treo is great, or even good, piece of equipment is a liar - they either work for Palm, get paid as some kind of support for it, have other phones that they also use so they really haven't used it full time, got it for free (for writing a review or something) or are the type who won't admit what a mistake it was to waste so much money on it and come up with excuses as to why all the problems are somehow worth it.

If you are still considering buying this piece of junk, then you are a fool. Ever seen the movie Office Space, as soon as I get a replacement, I will do to my Treo what the guys did to that fax machine!

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700p and BMW

emiller @ 11/8/2007 5:35:36 PM # Q
I am getting ready to purchase a phone with data capability. Because I require the Palm OS (I need it for a particular calendering program I run in my business) and because I want to stay with Verizon, I believe I am limited to the Treo 700p. Anyone have an alternative? Assuming not, I have read mixed reviews regarding this device. My primary concern is whether this device's bluetooth capabilities will coincide with my bluetooth system in my vehicle. I have heard that the Treo has some problems with BMW, specifically, that the address book will not transfer fully and that the device is not fully functional while "connected" to the vehicle. I have also heard that there may be some sort of "fix" which can be found online. Anyone have any dealings with this particular issue? Thanks.

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upgrade from T/X to treo700p

MeiraB @ 11/19/2007 1:28:20 PM # Q
I want the phone. Is upgrading from a T/X to a 700p a wise move? Is it even possible?

RE: upgrade from T/X to treo700p
MeiraB @ 11/19/2007 1:29:42 PM # Q
Forgot to mention, I am with T-Mobile. The unlocked Treo works with T-Mobile, right? THanks for your help.

RE: upgrade from T/X to treo700p
hkklife @ 11/19/2007 1:41:07 PM # Q
1. 700p is CDMA, not GSM (What T-Mobile uses)

2. T-Mobile has not officially offered a Palm OS device since the Treo 600

3. Do you mean a Treo 680? That's the closest GSM counterpart to the 700p. However, the Treo 680 has EDGE (not 3G EVDO) wireless, a smaller capacity battery, and just a VGA camera. Otherwise, it's a superior phone to the 700p in all aspects---newer OS/bundled apps, better phone app, standard SDHC support, and a much improved formfactor.

Personally, I'd stick with the TX over the 700p. You'll be giving up the 128mb RAM, wi-fi, 320x480 LCD, and the TX's larger/better stylus.

At least wait until the GSM Centro is officially announced in the next 2 months or so.


Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

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os upgrade

cglamey @ 4/19/2008 10:09:47 PM # Q
is there anyway possible to upgrade the os to the windows mobile version that is available on the 700w. if so can someone point me in the right direction

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