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After a few quiet weeks, Palm's corporate blog has been updated with two embedded YouTube videos. The short videos (approx. 4 minutes total runtime) contain footage of Jeff Hawkins going into additional detail about the inspiration behind the Foleo and why the Foleo's instantaneous response will lead to a more pleasing user experience.

The blog post, dated July 11th, concludes with a few links to notable Foleo stories from around the web, including Brighthand's hands-on article and a ZDNet interview with the Foleo product manager giving another hands-on tour of the product.

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Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple

rmhurdman @ 7/12/2007 12:18:44 PM # Q
The Asus Eee PC 701 will be released around the same time. With a startup time of only 15 seconds and a form factor around the same size, it will be stiff competition for the Foleo from anyone looking for a laptop replacement. It should cost $199USD and it can run a full operating system. Having said that, it doesn't effortlessly sync with your smartphone. A version with a 10" screen is slated for 2008 and Apple is rumored to be coming out with a 12" subnotebook.

It will be interesting to watch the relative success of these various products. The Asus will probably replace my aging T|C.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
cervezas @ 7/12/2007 1:00:44 PM # Q
So the Asus boots in 15 seconds, but how long does it take to launch an application? And does it come up right where you left off when you turn it on?

It's interesting: if your PDA or smartphone took 15 seconds to turn on instead of less than half a second, would this substantially diminish it's usability? I know it would for me. I see Foleo as being basically a PDA with superior input/output capabilities. I suspect that having the same instant-on, instantaneous app switching, and pick-up-where-you-left-off capabilities of a PDA will be a lot more valuable than people are supposing right now.

I also think the Asus *looks* like you spend $199 on it. I'll give you that $600 is going to knock a lot of casual users out of Foleo's market, but the Asus is going to knock out anyone who cares about having quality, ergonomic, professional looking tools.

David Beers
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www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
SeldomVisitor @ 7/12/2007 1:10:08 PM # Q
PUHLEEZE!

How long will it take ANY half-assed programmer to come up with "instant on" (*) for any Linux laptop?

=========

(*) We're talking =PALM= here, for Pete's sake! I would bet with almost 100% chance of being correct that the Fooleo's "instant on" is HORRENDOUSLY hardwired to a certain castrated configuration. Bet on it.

Please note, too, that the videos discuss pretty much nothing else.

Because there is nothing else to discuss.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
sgiga @ 7/12/2007 2:13:29 PM # Q
I am still a bit confused about the syncing bit. If the Foleo had a GSM radio, there would be no need for syncing and there would be no need for the smartphone. As soon as you turn the Foleo on it would be in perfect sync with the corporate exchange server. If you only bring your smartphone, the Foleo would still be in perfect sync with the server as soon as it was turned on. No matter how you look at it, it is the mail server that is the hub, not the smartphone.

I think the Foleo would be much better as a stand alone product, both with and without a GSM radio.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
twrock @ 7/12/2007 2:56:43 PM # Q
It will be interesting to watch the relative success of these various products. The Asus will probably replace my aging T|C.

It will be interesting to watch.

I was in an "ASUS-only" store here in Taiwan and asked about the Eee's release. They told me that it was unlikely to be released here at all. The sales people said that it was too cheap and it wasn't targeted at this audience. (And who knows if they really had any idea of what they were talking about.) Of course if it gets released in the USA, I have ways of getting one anyway. A large factor would of course be whether or not the model with a 10 inch screen and eight or more gig of memory would put the price right back up there comparable to other good options (I don't think I would want it with less than those specs). I'll just have to wait and see I guess.


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RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
pmjoe @ 7/12/2007 3:35:02 PM # Q
With a startup time of only 15 seconds and a form factor around the same size, it will be stiff competition for the Foleo from anyone looking for a laptop replacement.

ROTFLMAO! I've seen Windows start in 15 seconds and that's not a compliment.
RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
rmhurdman @ 7/12/2007 4:28:56 PM # Q
The Asus runs a FULL OS! Suspend and Resume are both available, meaning users can have instant off and instant on... right where they left off.

I think the "instant on" feature is over-rated. And over-priced.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
freakout @ 7/12/2007 5:17:17 PM # Q
Overpriced, yes. Overrated, no. I'd love an instant-on PC.
RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
reidme @ 7/12/2007 5:20:15 PM # Q
"How long will it take ANY half-assed programmer to come up with "instant on" (*) for any Linux laptop?"

So why haven't they? In fact, why haven't you? You sound qualified.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
freakout @ 7/12/2007 5:29:06 PM # Q
Here's one question: sure, Foleo's "instant-on" - once it's been booted. But surely Foleo will experience the occasional crash, just like any computer. When this happens, how long does it take to reboot?
RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
SeldomVisitor @ 7/12/2007 5:42:51 PM # Q
> So why haven't they?...

I would imagine "they're" working on it as we type.

> ...In fact, why haven't you? You sound qualified.

I did my OS-internals stuff back in the 70s. It was fun then. I have moved on.

Strangely, I also no longer have the slightest interest in building graphics-oriented computers using discrete chips but you haven't lived til you've been through that learning process.

Oh...you weren't serious were you?

Giggle.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
cervezas @ 7/12/2007 6:18:38 PM # Q
Here's one question: sure, Foleo's "instant-on" - once it's been booted. But surely Foleo will experience the occasional crash, just like any computer. When this happens, how long does it take to reboot?

It's a good question. It's like I was saying the other day: you can develop a Linux system that starts up a full X11 windowing environment at boot-time like Maemo or ALP, but if you're really interested in having everything quick quick quick without adding a big processor, RAM and batteries you might dispense with the bloat of X Windows. If you think about it for a minute, there could be a good reason Foleo only can have one browser window open at a time. There's probably only one window open *ever* in order to make the system simpler, lighter, more responsive... and faster to boot.

Back when PalmSource was still trying to make up their mind about whether to use X or not I was hoping they wouldn't: http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=49 As much as I like the Nokia N800, its Maemo OS is not nearly as snappy as Palm OS on comparable hardware, which probably has a lot to do with X and GTK. And it does take 30-40s to cold boot after a system crash. Still, that's happened only twice over 6 months of daily use.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
cervezas @ 7/12/2007 7:06:02 PM # Q
One thing besides "instant-on" and mail sync that Hawkins talked about, which solves a real pain for laptop users: using scrollbars when your pointer is controlled by a trackpad or other mouse-substitute. I can almost always avoid using the trackpad for navigating forms and menus in Windows or Ubuntu, but scrolling through web pages and docs is a twitchy two-fingered, way-off-to-the-side operation for something that should never have involved more than the slide of your thumb while you're in home position. Yeah, I know, it sounds like a small thing, but folks who appreciate the Palm OS despite all its problems today know that these details add up. Moreover, they illustrate what you can do to improve the user experience when you control both the hardware and the operating system. I'm looking forward to seeing what else Palm can do with their ownership of the whole product design--hardware and software--not only on the Foleo, but on the next-gen "Palm OS" Treos.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
freakout @ 7/12/2007 7:53:51 PM # Q
30-40 seconds would be quite reasonable - especially considering it takes my 680 59! (yes, I timed it. yes, I need more of a life. ;) )

There are a lot of nice touches about the Foleo, as compared to your standard laptop. But I must confess that it doesn't exactly set me alight with gadget lust. I could see getting one as a couch computer, but Palm really need to work on their sales pitch. Even if it is really a business machine at heart, they could do a much better job of touting the benefits of a lightweight laptop to their consumer market.

That said: I'm also very much looking forward to seeing how they'll adapt this new OS to their other products. I wish they weren't so tight-lipped about these things...

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
reidme @ 7/12/2007 10:33:36 PM # Q
"I would imagine "they're" working on it as we type."

So you're saying that nobody else thought of it until Palm announced the Foleo?


"Giggle."

Sorry I underestimated your qualifications. You're obviously way more than half.


RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
JayC3 @ 7/13/2007 2:49:19 AM # Q
For all those who want a first thought visit this website : http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829

It seems that the Asus Eee PC 701 is closing the gap with the Foleo in terms of function ^_^

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
twrock @ 7/13/2007 6:40:38 AM # Q
Thanks for that link. It was a good read.

So..., now I'm sure the Eee will suck. No mention of Frozen Bubble! How can you have a Linux machine without Frozen Bubble?!!!

Seriously though, it isn't as interesting to me now that I read that review. The "small" keyboard sounds much smaller than I had thought earlier. That's a deal killer for me. And the screen really needs to be 10 inches. Otherwise, the 16 gig version would be awesome.


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RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
heavyduty @ 7/13/2007 7:14:09 AM # Q
Good link.

So what's the incentive for the Foleo with the Asus in the market? The Foleo syncs with a Treo and it has instant-on. But the Asus is cheaper, has many apps right out of the box and is just as small and light, and I think a 10 sec boot is acceptable to most people: how many times can't you really afford to wait 10 sec to write something down on your laptop? After all, this is not a PDA.

Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Nokia 9300 (can't sync notes!!) -> Treo 650 (awesome) -> hw6915 (almost perfect)

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
freakout @ 7/13/2007 7:41:05 AM # Q
From those pics Foleo's screen and keyboard look much nicer. But $350 nicer? Probably not...
RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
SeldomVisitor @ 7/13/2007 8:32:58 AM # Q
> ...Sorry I underestimated your qualifications.
> You're obviously way more than half.

Aw...poor kookums...do you feel better now?

Strangely, your stupid personal attack doesn;t change the reality of the statements already made.

But you knew that, didn't you, not having a reasonable comeback?

Giggle.

Jerk.

10 seconds flat - darn! That's an eternity!
SeldomVisitor @ 7/13/2007 8:57:28 AM # Q
RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
reidme @ 7/13/2007 9:08:18 AM # Q
"But you knew that, didn't you, not having a reasonable comeback?"

You are really dense, so I'll spell it out for you. When I said you sounded qualified I meant as a half-assed programmer. You then demonstrated that you are much more than half an ass. I hope that's clear now. BTW, for somebody so old you sure giggle like a schoolgirl.

My point (which you never addressed) is still the same. If what Palm is trying to do with the Foleo is so obvious and easy to do, why doesn't it already exist? If it's not worth doing, why are others now working on it "as we type"?


RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
halcyon @ 7/13/2007 10:01:23 AM # Q
You get a sense of the Foleo buzz out there when in an entire review and 55 comments (plus a summary and 12 comments on engadget) there is not one mention of the Foleo.

Hopefully the ASUS will force the price of the Foleo down.

I'd be great to see a side-by-side comparison with specs, usability and photos. I'm sure we will by the end of summer.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
twrock @ 7/13/2007 11:26:58 AM # Q
A review of the Asus:

-- http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829

It's like deja vu all over again.


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RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
SeldomVisitor @ 7/13/2007 12:09:56 PM # Q
Yup - definite brain fart.

BTW - have you seen that review at notebook-whatever?

Asus Eee is on its way
SeldomVisitor @ 8/22/2007 7:07:11 AM # Q
The EEE is coming is September:

-- http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070820PD203.html

Even though the rumor mill says PALM announced the Fooleo well before it was ready so it could "beat" the competition to the market, with the dumping of its own Linux version and going "over the coming months" with WindRiver's it's a safe bet that the Fooleo will not be...robust...competition for the EEE as early as September.

Hey - sometimes the meteor actually does hit ya in the head.

RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
hkklife @ 8/22/2007 10:21:38 AM # Q
Build quality & ergonomics aside, many people seem to be drastically underestimating the horsepower contained within the Asus EEE. I had a 1.6ghz Dothan Pentium-M with 512mb of RAM (before I upgraded it) back in '05 with (I think) the inferior 855GM chipset. It could decently run a handful of games so I'd imagine that since the the GMA 910 used in the EEE is kinda/sorta DX9-compliant and a newer generation part, that a decent game of Counterstrike: Source could be played on this sucker! It'll certainly smoke the Fooleo in any sort of media-intensive task. And laugh if you will but I love the fact that a dial-up modem is included on the EEE. There are still times when that's ALL you can use out in the sticks!

I'll probably snag an EEE just to play around with it and see how XP runs on it. I could see carrying one around for light word processing/e-mail/playing a few games & emulators on. The difference between buying an EEE at $200 and a Fooleo is (other than $400) that the Asus can be pressed into service as a "real" Wintel PC if nothing else. The only thing that worries me is Windows hitting the HD so often that it wears out the write/rewrite capabilities of the flash memory.

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RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
twrock @ 8/22/2007 11:05:09 AM # Q
the Asus can be pressed into service as a "real" Wintel PC

Why would anybody in their right mind do that to a perfectly good Linux box? :)


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RE: Asus Eee PC 701 and Apple
hkklife @ 8/22/2007 11:15:50 AM # Q
The games, man. Only for the games! :-)

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more videos

midtoad @ 7/12/2007 12:59:03 PM # Q
On the Palm blog there's a 'related video' featuring a report named John Berlind (sp?). He takes a dig at the iPhone by pointing out how easy it is to change the battery in the Foleo and concludes by saying "try that with an iPhone!".

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Palm TX
RE: more videos
jca666us @ 7/12/2007 1:35:51 PM # Q
You're kidding, right?

Jeff Berlind must be freakout's alter ego...

RE: more videos
freakout @ 7/12/2007 5:18:10 PM # Q
Nope. He's not studly enough.
Good to know the battery changes will be easy
Poopie @ 7/13/2007 6:00:08 PM # Q
If having the battery easy to change were a serious product requirement, then Chevrolet wouldn't have been able to sell more than a handful of 80's Corvettes... you had to take a frame piece off to get the battery out.

I'll happily send my iphone back to apple for battery replacement, or... more likely, I'll happily buy the next generation one when my battery life gets as bad as my LifeDrive battery life was.

I've never had a problem spending money on gadgets that captivated my interest -- even if they had shortcomings. Here's to hoping that Palm can produce something that captivates me again.

USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Palm Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone

Good to know the battery changes will be a pain in the butt
freakout @ 7/14/2007 6:31:39 PM # Q
http://select.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/business/14nocera.html?_r=1&oref=login

Anyway, heres the policy: Because the iPhone lacks a replaceable battery, you will have to send your phone to Apple. If your phone is under warranty, the new battery will be free. If it is out of warranty, it will cost a hefty $79, plus $6.95 for shipping. Apple will also lend you an iPhone while your phone is in the shop, which will cost you another $20, warranty or no. In other words, if your iPhone battery runs down, you have to:

1. Put up $20, (or $105.95 if your iPhone is out of warranty);

2. Wait for the loaner to arrive;

3. Put your data on the loaner;

4. Send Apple your iPhone;

5. Wait for it to be returned;

6. Put your data back on your iPhone (it is erased while Apple is replacing the battery);

7. Mail in the loaner.

Sounds like a cinch!

Okay, I know this isn't an iPhone topic. Sorry everyone.

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Speaking of discussing nothing but 'instant on'

SeldomVisitor @ 7/12/2007 1:16:58 PM # Q
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Foleo. Can't wait!

VampireLestat @ 7/12/2007 3:03:00 PM # Q
I am right in love with my new unlocked Treo 680.
I have rediscovered Palm OS in a whole new even more useful way.

Very anxious to buy a Foleo!
Woohoo!

p.s. pda fans, if you can afford 399$ US, go buy a 680. You don't even need a sim card or a phone service to use it. It is a super fully featured handheld out of the box; which does calls IF you want that. Right now I am using a cheap 10$ per month prepaid rollover plan (for emergency calls).

RE: Foleo. Can't wait!
zuhmir @ 7/12/2007 3:23:51 PM # Q
I second that!
It's going to be my portable media center :-) and with a 1024*768 video out i can connect it to any LCD or projector... that's cool!
also it will sit very well with emulators of super-nintendo... I just
hope it will have support for the BGP-100 bluetooth gamepad like "little john palmos".
but mainly i'll use it with vnc for palm in order to use my desktop computer on the go.


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fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS done

pmjoe @ 7/12/2007 3:30:21 PM # Q
The subject line says it all. I don't suppose there are any suits in the Palm house smart enough to do the right thing though.
RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
SeldomVisitor @ 7/12/2007 3:44:20 PM # Q
I have yet to see any credible REAL evidence that a "Linux PalmOS" is actually in the stars...

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
maceyr @ 7/12/2007 4:30:40 PM # Q
I'm not sure about firing Hawkins but Colligan, definitely fire him. He has not done much if at all for Palm in the past few years except bring the LifeDrive and then abandon it shortly afterwards rather than try to improve upon it.

It makes me wonder why they have to waste all this effort, time and everything else to "convince" people to explain the Foleo, how it came about, how great it is, etc in hopes of persuading others to think in their line of thinking. Are we all 'wrong' and they're 'right'? Just sell us what we want instead of trying to convince us we want what you're making.

I'm not spending the same amount of money on something that is inferior to what I can get already for "simplicity's sake". I just can't understand this. I'd rather get a cheap laptop than the Foleo for about the same price if I can do more with it. This is ridiculous.

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RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
SeldomVisitor @ 7/12/2007 4:50:29 PM # Q
The videos are necessary - many of them - to convince the (PALM fanboy) Herd that all those TREOs that they were convinced by PALM were THE ultimate converged devices are now lacking due to small screen and keyboard. Over and over again we are hearing the 1984-speak of "sometimes you want a large screen and normal-sized keyboard" when before we heard "throw away your laptop because your TREO can do that and more!".


RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
freakout @ 7/12/2007 5:21:59 PM # Q
Foleo 1.0 is obviously going to be Palm's testbed for their new OS. I wouldn't wish for Foleo's cancellation if you hope to have some of the bugs worked out before it makes its way to a handheld. ;)
RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
cervezas @ 7/12/2007 5:30:54 PM # Q
I have yet to see any credible REAL evidence that a "Linux PalmOS" is actually in the stars...

So... you didn't follow any of the coverage of the Analyst's Day presentation where Keast and Colligan specifically stated and displayed this across two or three slides? All the statements about how they think Palm OS Garnet is still a great user experience but needs a "new foundation"... "Linux core"..."Linux kernel"... "Linux drivers"... and the "simultaneous voice/data and multithreading" this would provide?

The Foleo doesn't have a mic or a cell radio for "voice," nor does it run "Palm OS Garnet." Did you think after the Foleo announcement that all Palm's stated Linux plans were about Foleo?

It makes me wonder why they have to waste all this effort, time and everything else to "convince" people to explain the Foleo, how it came about, how great it is, etc in hopes of persuading others to think in their line of thinking. Are we all 'wrong' and they're 'right'?

If by "all" you mean all 23 of you geekheads hanging out on the fan sites bashing the Foleo, then I'd say, yeah. :-) I could be wrong, but when I talk to mobile business people who are actually in the target audience for Foleo (my customers and colleagues) the response is overwhelmingly positive. That just doesn't happen to be the kind of person who hangs out on fan sites or writes technology opinions for Engadget.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
SeldomVisitor @ 7/12/2007 5:37:52 PM # Q
I have YET to see any credible REAL evidence that a "Linux PalmOS" is actually in the stars.

Linux? Of course.

Linux PalmOS?

Nope.

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
halcyon @ 7/12/2007 5:57:14 PM # Q
I saw this pop up on PIC about the same time I was scurrying about my desk for different files for the meetings I was off to. Most of my work meetings aren't the sort of thing I would lug my laptop to, but if I could have a remote desktop off the Foleo and just grab it for my meetings it would make a world of difference. Bring it on.

PS a previous poster mentioned high res video out. Is that confirmed? Can it handle that at 30fps?

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
cervezas @ 7/12/2007 7:16:29 PM # Q
Linux PalmOS?

Nope.

So you think there won't be backward compatibility with Garnet applications. I'd offer a wager on that, but it wouldn't be fair. ;-)

So just out of curiosity, what do you think the slide meant that showed the Palm OS Garnet arrow joining the Linux arrow with a label reading "Commitment to the Palm OS Community" over the words "Linux Kernel" on the segment where the two are converged?

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
SeldomVisitor @ 7/12/2007 7:25:38 PM # Q
I have YET to see any credible REAL evidence that a "LINUX PALMOS" is actually in the stars.

User interface similarities? Okay, sounds possible, maybe even probably (and I believe just that sort of UI similarity has been discussed right here ages ago).

Linux PalmOS?

Nope.

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS done
hkklife @ 7/12/2007 8:29:44 PM # Q
What do you mean by "high res"? I seem to recall the Fooleo's VGA output port (actually isn't it some kind of wacky S-Video to DB-15 VGA dongle adapter thingie?) being limited to XGA (1024x768) and 75hz but I suppose that's "high resolution" enough for the average joe. Remember, this is NOT a device for gearheads.

I'm be much, much more worried about the processor being able to handle video playback that whatever its onboard video chip is capable of outputting. I have a feeling the Sony PSP refresh is going to be quite a exemplary demonstration of a handheld device outputting "big screen" video.

I just don't understand why Palm didn't go with some kind of integrated graphics chipset with hardware assisted video decoding!?!

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RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
freakout @ 7/12/2007 9:08:15 PM # Q
It is strange, isn't it. Coreplayer shows just how good results can be when you push an ARM really hard, but it's still a little jerky on full-size files. I imagine it'd completely choke on larger, higher-res displays like the Foleo's...

After all these years, personal media still doesn't seem like it enters much into Palm's thinking. Irritatingly.

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
sungod @ 7/13/2007 7:23:32 AM # Q
hkklife
"I just don't understand why Palm didn't go with some kind of integrated graphics chipset with hardware assisted video decoding!?!"

Two words 'Battery life'.
If you compair identical laptops one with intergrated graphics and one with dedicated graphics you'll get 2/3 the battery life if you're lucky.
5 hours of battery life = a whole bussiness day of on/off computing.
I doubt Palm is willing to give that up so the Heroes episodes I download 6mths early will play while I lay on the couch.

Att Palm:
Foleo = Smartphone companion
T|X = Dumbphone companion
If you think a Foleo will sell and a PDA wont you're out of your mind.
SunGod aka Luigi(AusPUG)

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
freakout @ 7/13/2007 7:35:02 AM # Q
^^ I wouldn't mind that... provided they fire that actor who plays Peter Petrelli. Seriously, I have not seen a worse actor on TV. Ever. Even David Hasselhoff in Baywatch was better than him.

Y'know that episode where the invisible guy throws him off the roof? I was CHEERING.

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
rmhurdman @ 7/13/2007 10:13:30 AM # Q
"So just out of curiosity, what do you think the slide meant that showed the Palm OS Garnet arrow joining the Linux arrow with a label reading "Commitment to the Palm OS Community" over the words "Linux Kernel" on the segment where the two are converged?"

That they're lying to us? They've shown that they are not able to execute on simple strategy (700p update, anyone?) So just because it's on a slide, I wouldn't stake my business on it. Fortunately for me, my job is in no way related to the success of Palm hardware. I don't envy you, Beersy.

RE: fire Hawkins, cancel the Foleo, and get the Linux Palm OS don
cervezas @ 7/13/2007 12:27:06 PM # Q
I don't envy you, Beersy.

Oh, you needn't worry about me. Seriously, every year is better than the last for us and I see no sign of a let up. The real world of business mobility is so different from the one that most of you guys imagine. Palm isn't going away any time soon like so many of you seem to think, but even if they did our customers would just switch to RIM, which we're completely ready for, being mostly a Java shop already.

Foleo is a great wide-open opportunity for developers, Pikesoft in particular. Can't promise anything just yet, but I think you'll be hearing an announcement or two from us later in the year.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

Departures - Possible Heads Up
SeldomVisitor @ 9/5/2007 8:11:43 AM # Q
> ...I'm not sure about firing Hawkins but Colligan, definitely fire him...

Ed Colligan has been exercising and same-day selling stock options for awhile now. I believe he was doing this because, if he did not start when he did, the options would expire before he could exercise them all since he has been limited, as CEO, with how much he can trade per day or wee - he simply had to trickle them out starting some time ago.

PALM/Colligan just made an SEC filing about those exercise and sales. Included amongst the boilerplate is this nugget:

== "...On August 31, 2007, Mr. Colligan terminated his Rule 10b5-1
== trading plan..."

Now...IF (and that admittedly is an ambiguous "if") Colligan =HAS= to exercise his options before they expire and do so according to regulation etc etc etc it doesn't make much sense to stop the automated selling plan.

Except if he is about to leave, when he can exercise as he desires, not according to regulation.

I can't think of any other good reason to stop the automated plan if the automated plan had been put in place due to time constraints.

The story isn't over yet - waiting for the denouement - like on September 12th?

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Foleo philo

VampireLestat @ 7/13/2007 2:11:59 AM # Q
The boards are awash with negative posts on the Foleo. I myself was once guilty of that.

It is going to be fascinating to watch how people change their position once the Foleo is released.

This is a brand new product that, I feel, will tap and answer some very very fundamental basic needs when it comes to computing in general. People are way underestimating the importance of instant on, compactness, fullness, syncing, silence.

Key to success is to find some core needs and answer them well. The Foleo is about to shock many with its success. What is confusing everyone now and causing doubt is the presence of laptops. We are about to witness the beginning of a transition away from laptops for repeated daily practical consumer mobile computing (and even stationary) needs.

RE: Foleo philo
VampireLestat @ 7/13/2007 2:27:04 AM # Q
and lets not forget it is power by Linux, which is open source.

Many smart people in this world would love to see Linux spread and become a strong adversary to Windows.
The Foleo has that potential.

Can you imagine for a company that has field workers how important having Foleo will be? Instant on, no moving parts, an incredibly much lighter OS compared to Windows, etc will all equate to lower maintenance and operational costs. Not to mention less worker stress, higher customer satisfaction and greater productivity.

The Foleo brings the efficiency and power of computing ever closer to consumers in their homes and workers at work or in the field.

No revving hard drives, no 15 second -out of suspend- boots (which often result in hung applications)..

Foleo will be
ON NOW!
Get to the app NOW!
View/enter data fast!
Close the lid (no snaps) and the person goes about their day with a smile.

yup, I am really confident is on to something very big.


RE: Foleo philo
VampireLestat @ 7/13/2007 2:31:26 AM # Q
I think field scientists will really love Foleo also.

RE: Foleo philo
VampireLestat @ 7/13/2007 2:35:42 AM # Q
And... I also predict a floor of people in these forums to go out and buy a Foleo because they are just too damn curious and really need to take computing to the next pleasure level.

Expect quotes like:

"I just bought a Foleo! The thing fits very nicely in my bag/briefcase. I had no idea how useful and fun it would be. There is no way Im going back to a clunky heave slow laptop now!"

RE: Foleo philo
zuhmir @ 7/13/2007 5:56:01 AM # Q
I always wanted an excuse to start programing for linux... now i have one :-)


RE: Foleo philo
egershna @ 7/13/2007 5:11:09 PM # Q
As a college student the Foleo seems almost perfect to me. There I am sitting in class, the prof starts to say something worth noting, I hit the power button and start typing. 15 seconds to wake up is just too long. In the past I have tried to use my T5 to take notes with, via keyboard and graffiti. The keyboard was too small and flaky, graffiti was too unreliable.

I also enjoy photography, the Foleo seems perfect as a portable picture viewer.

I used to have an HP notebook, I hate using Windows (and Vista even more), it died a watery death. I was planning on buying a MacBook, but that is overkill for note taking and web browsing. I am thinking that the Foleo would be a better choice. It would certainly lighten up my back pack.

RE: Foleo philo
BaalthazaaR @ 7/16/2007 2:22:47 PM # Q
In the past I have tried to use my T5 to take notes with, via keyboard and graffiti. The keyboard was too small and flaky, graffiti was too unreliable.

I loved graffiti-1... I got so comfortable with it, I could do just as fast on the PDA as writing. I hate graffiti-2.

I've even caught myself using graffiti-1 strokes on paper.

RE: Foleo philo
egershna @ 7/19/2007 11:38:58 AM # Q
It's not that there is anything wrong with graffiti, my penmanship is just horrible.

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Cannot see this on the Foleo?

fred_og_ro @ 7/13/2007 8:47:04 AM # Q
It just occurred to me - the Foleo cannot view YouTube videos, no? How ironic that Palm is pushing their viral marketing for the Foleo so hard then using YouTube videos.

And - from the European perspective - we're looking at a *much* later release date (it always is) AND a *much* higher price (no mail-in rebate offered!)

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it looks like something from the early nineties

Valhala @ 7/15/2007 3:39:51 AM # Q
Upfront, I am not an apple fanboy. I have had all palm products since the Palm Pilot. After getting the iPhone...and I know your sick of hearing it,but for the fooleo to have half a chance success, it would have to at least have some of the style of an apple notebook. As it is now it looks like something from the early nineties.

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Thread worth reading

SeldomVisitor @ 7/20/2007 8:21:30 AM # Q
TreoCentral has a Fooleo thread containing more than the usual "yuck" and "gush" comments - like this:

-- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=1312804&postcount=18

who also may be a PIC poster but hasn't yet!

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