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Treo 755pEngadget has posted a few shots of what is supposedly the upcoming Palm Treo 755p. If accurate the pictures show the 755p as running Palm OS Garnet on Sprint with EvDO support. Also looking at the images, it would appear that the body is identical to the Treo 680/750 form-factor, which would make it the first CDMA Treo with an internal antenna. It's also said to have a 1.3 megapixel camera, but no word on what type of expansion memory it will use.

Rumors of a 755p on Sprint have been brewing for some time now. A new unit from Palm codenamed Sherlock, began showing up on internal Sprint release schedule's back in January. The most recent leaks have shown a 755p due in June.

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Why...

grimpeur @ 3/30/2007 12:53:51 PM # Q

are all the good Palm OS... sorry Garnet OS Treos CDMA!?

RE: Why...
Ryan @ 3/30/2007 1:00:37 PM # Q
Palm/Garnet OS doesn't support the GSM 3G speeds as of yet. However now that Palm own's the source, you can certainly expect them to be working on that.
RE: Why...
freakout @ 3/30/2007 7:54:52 PM # Q
The 680 is great and GSM all the way. (albeit only 2G)
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I'm ready

swieder @ 3/30/2007 1:08:09 PM # Q
I'm ready to upgrade from my 650, but I need more memory and 3G support. Wifi would be a nice to have.

RE: I'm ready
pascanu @ 3/30/2007 4:11:28 PM # Q
I'm ready to upgrade from my 650, but I need more memory and 3G support. Wifi would be a nice to have.

My words exactly! My Treo 650 is getting old, but I can't see any decent replacement for it. Need 3G Palm!

Handspring Visor -> m505 -> Zire71 -> Zire72 -> Treo650

RE: I'm ready
freakout @ 3/30/2007 7:43:48 PM # Q
You should consider the 750. I know it's evil WinMob, but it is a nice little device. (I played with one at the Telstra shop the other day. 3G is a thing of beauty, and Palm's little tweaks do make it more bearable to navigate.)

Either that, or wait for Palm's new Garnet license to bear fruit. Colligan says they are working on 3G. This is from the recent earnings call:

Jonathan Goldberg - Deutsche Bank

Let me put it a different way; in terms of the operating system, I think we all know that Access did not upgrade it, did not invest in it enough for your needs. Now that it is more under your control, is it progressing as quickly as you had expected? Is it ahead of schedule? How would you characterize it that way?

Edward T. Colligan

I would say it is progressing as quickly as we expected. One of the issues obviously was getting to a point where we had some certainty around its future, and so that happened reasonably recently, as you know, when we signed that deal.

I think there is only so much we could have done before then. If you look at a Treo today, I like to say it is like a house -- all the rooms and the places you live in it, those are all Palm software. The foundation was what was Access, and so people who continue to enjoy Palm software from a user experience standpoint, but you are right; if we want to run that software on 3G networks or do simultaneous voice and data, we will have to do something with the foundation and we are focused on that and we will roll that out at the appropriate time.



Tim
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Questions surrounding the 755p
hkklife @ 3/31/2007 12:55:24 PM # Q
1. FrankenGarnet 5.4.9, same as the 680? Any further GUI improvements?

Trecentral same it's the EXACT same as the 700p. A shame if this is so. Palm was on the right track with the GUI updates on the 700p and the new phone app on the 680. EVDO aside, the 755p is going to make the 680 look like an even better unit.

2. Same version of Blazer/VersaMail?

Treocentral says it's the EXACT same.

3. Improved 1.3mp camera

I am assuming this is how the 600's VGA camera was improved on by the 650's VGA camera. Still, i'd rather have a decent 1.3mp camera w/ flash than a lousy 2.0mp camera. Knowing Palm, we'll just get another bad 1.3mp camera.

4. miniSD or fullsize SD?

TC says miniSD. Will it be miniSDHC-compliant? If it's not then there's no way I would even consider this thing. 4gb miniSDHC cards are out *now* and affordable. Palm simply MUST move forward and support the new generation of high capacity cards. I refuse to take a step backwards to 2gb after having 4gb SD cards in my TX and 8gb SDHC in my 700p. Typical Palm to retreat to memory card format that is inferior in EVERY way just to nickel & dime their customers to death. And, of course, to save $ so they don't have to support the rapidly emerging SDHC standard. SDHC is going to hit 32gb probably by this time next year. Palm is content to leave us with a handful of 2gb miniSD cards.


5. Is battery the same pitiful 1200mAh as the 750/680?

Also, WHEN will Seidio get a 1600mAh or better slimline battery out?

CDMA is already a battery hog. This thing might be nearly unusable if the battery issues are not addressed ASAP.


6. Any "tweaks" to the voice quality/reception/download speeds ala 680?

Recall the news about the 680's improved GSM/EDGE chipset resulting in noticable improvements over the 650. I doubt Palm has done anything to the 755p so it's possible that it might perform WORSE than the already horrible 700p as a voice phone. Meanwhile, '07 has already brought a ton of fantastic dumb phones that make the Treo look positively sick (A2DP, 2mp camera w/ autofocus & flash, 3.5mm headphone jacks etc).


7.With these new 2-in-1 rocket hard buttons, will Palm again break the hard button mapping and cripple even more games? At least the new d-pad is an improvement!

8. Software bundle?

I predict Google Maps and DTG 9 in ROM (finally). The big question is if voice dialing is standard and if it's the same lame $20 app that Palm sells from their online software store.


All of the above concerns aside, here are what I expect the 755p to clearly improve on from the 700p:

1. Formfactor. Slimmer is always better and the lack of an antenna makes this thing more suitable as a "wireless PDA" instead of a second phone. Hopefully build quality will be as good or better than the 700p. Who is the OEM on this one? HTC or Inventec?

2. Lag. It simply cannot get any worse than the 700p. I assume Palm has at least got the 755 on par with the 680 speed-wise.

3. Engadget mentions concave side contours. Does the 750 have this? Either way it's bound to be less slippery and easier to hold onto than the 700p is.

4. Pricing. The day of the $600 700p retail price is (hopefully) long gone. $250-$300 with 2-year contract is about right for this thing.

Since Palm is unlikely to do any sort of trade in program for the tragically flawed 700p, I expect there to be MANY users (myself included) making a HUGE fuss at their local CDMA corporate store and trying to work the manager for some kind of trade in for the 755p. In essence, the 755p IS the 700p's firmware upgrade.


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June Release huh

ImBatMan @ 3/30/2007 4:40:15 PM # Q
This is will be about the same time apple's iphone will be released to the public. Perfect timing.

RE: June Release huh
joad @ 3/30/2007 5:10:31 PM # Q
... for Apple or Palm...?

RE: June Release huh
redcore @ 4/19/2007 9:09:16 AM # Q
LOL I would say it's great for Apple. Yet again Palm is regurgitating the same thing to everyone with nothing particularly revolutionary about their product. Visually, it looks like they just decided to merge the 680's look (to a degree, I think this blue is horrible but the 680 colors are really good) with 750's features...which was really nothing revolutionary itself. Apple is going to reap the benefits of Palm's laziness, then Palm will kick it back in gear and hopefully get some better stuff out.

POSSIBLE new customer...too bad the lack of WiFi on the 680 bucks the hell out of me.
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great...

joad @ 3/30/2007 5:01:11 PM # Q
Ok, so let's see what I'll have to throw away and repurchase THIS time...


1) Extra Treo batteries (since we were all clamoring for *LESS* battery life on the Treos they listened and made them smaller...)

2) 2 Cradles (that apparently don't work properly with the 680 formfactor)

3) Possibly all my SD cards (if they were dumb enough to go microSD)

4) any formfitting cases (this is usual)

5)...?

I guess Palm has looked to Ford, GM, and Chrysler and figured that the money is in continually changing dumb little things so we are forced to re-purchase the most basic of accessories every ^%*&%* time they release a bugfi..., errr I mean "improvement" for the last model's oversights and f'ups.

At this rate, Palm may well be GOING the way of Ford, GM and Chrysler: bankrupt of innovative ideas and leeching off the die-hard fools who "only" buy "x" brand or open their wallets over and over for the latest design fad.

RE: great...
retrospooty @ 3/30/2007 5:50:34 PM # Q
I dont want to blow your mind with a simple revelation, but here it goes...

Since you feel so strogly about your peripherals, then dont upgrade. End of story.

RE: great...
freakout @ 3/30/2007 7:40:27 PM # Q
1) Extra Treo batteries (since we were all clamoring for *LESS* battery life on the Treos they listened and made them smaller...)

Oh c'mon. People were complaining about the protruding-antenna and bulky form factor a lot more than they were about the battery life. We now have an adequate battery instead of a good one, in exchange for a more pocketable, lightweight, better-looking device. I can live with that.

RE: great...
joad @ 4/1/2007 2:26:28 PM # Q
>I dont want to blow your mind with a simple revelation, but here it goes...

>Since you feel so strogly about your peripherals, then dont upgrade. End of story.

End of *YOUR* story, perhaps. I know I'm not the only one that is disgusted at the level of waste accessories that Palm generates with each "new" model. And a business model built around re-selling $200 in peripherals just to get some bugfixes for your phone seems very anti-customer to boot.

Maybe you are one of those people that just throws away your soap after you've used it once, or drives an empty SUV to your desk job every day... some of us have a little more respect for the planet whether or not we have the money to destroy it faster...


RE: great...
joad @ 4/1/2007 2:34:44 PM # Q
>Oh c'mon. People were complaining about the protruding-antenna and bulky form factor a lot more than they were about the battery life. We now have an adequate battery instead of a good one, in exchange for a more pocketable, lightweight, better-looking device. I can live with that.

They could make it the size of Razr (that would be "kewl"), people would just have to recharge it every couple hours. And frankly, I'd prefer my phone work an *entire* average day rather than having to plug it in over lunch to charge. I guess for those who prefer the Treo for it's "better-looking" feature.. the smaller one is better. And for those that put the things in their pocket and flash them around for show, the battery life won't matter much because it's not going to get much real use anyway...

No need to make the battery smaller to remove the antenna - but we don't get a choice, do we? The saving grace to the battery problem might be something like this: http://mytreo.net/archives/2007/02/treo-680-extended-battery-from-seidio-2400mah.html
and I could give a rat's bum how good looking it is.... I just want it to WORK.

RE: great...
joad @ 4/1/2007 2:42:19 PM # Q
> People were complaining about the protruding-antenna and bulky form factor a lot more than they were about the battery life.

I just reread your comment... The reason people WEREN'T complaining about the 700p battery life was because it was usually sufficient for an average day's use. The 680 battery is 2/3rd the size. I'm no electrical engineer, but taking away 1/3rd of a battery's capacity has gotta have *some* affect - possibly removing 20-30+% of the Treo's runtime during the day.

Maybe the 755's efficiency has been radically improved over the 700p, but if you haven't been hearing about lousy battery life.... trust me, it'll raise to the "top 5" complaints of the 755 if they haven't addressed that. Charging and carrying 2 batteries to make it through every day totally sucks.

RE: great...
freakout @ 4/1/2007 4:39:14 PM # Q
I'm no electrical engineer, but taking away 1/3rd of a battery's capacity has gotta have *some* affect - possibly removing 20-30+% of the Treo's runtime during the day.

Sure. The question is, how much power do you finish the day with? My 680 normally finishes the day (meaning, when I put on the cradle before I go to bed) at about 40-50%. I use it as a media player on the train w/ Softick Audio Gateway for at least two hours of that, send a lot of SMS and get a few phone calls. Is the battery not as good as it was before? Yes. Is it inadequate for a full day's use? No.

Forget to charge it overnight and you may run into problems. But Palm couldn't have been expected to keep the Treo the same size, shape and weight forever; that way lies product death.


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RE: great...
joad @ 4/2/2007 1:58:15 PM # Q
>Forget to charge it overnight and you may run into problems. But Palm couldn't have >been expected to keep the Treo the same size, shape and weight forever; that way lies >product death.

Agreed. But to release an already expensive phone with an already buggy reputation with a battery that is much less able to provide solid available power for a full day is not necessarily going to prevent "product death" either.

For the most part, my 700p makes it through the day with *30-40%* charge remaining (though I occasionally "top it off" while driving or at my desk). I check email quite often, browse and use other IP-enabled apps occasionally, and average about 1/2-1 hour on the phone. Take away that (theoretical) 33% capacity cushion, and I'm either permanently carrying an extra battery in my pocket (so much for the "size, weight and shape" argument), charging it an extra 2-3 times a day, or living with the phone shutting off during unscheduled calls or other needs to have a phone available.

Maybe a survey of Treo users would be useful: how low does your battery-level go on an average day of use without any charging? I don't think my reported 30-40% is untypical, so I hope Palm has either invented a new kind of battery chemistry and/or somehow made the same circuitry and software much more efficient. 40% minus 33% = 7% (within the "shutdown zone" on the Treo).



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Verizon

QDeath @ 3/30/2007 6:31:51 PM # Q
Any hint if this will be Sprint exclusive or will Verizon also offer this on Day 1?

RE: Verizon
bbtkd @ 3/31/2007 8:03:40 AM # Q
Probably Sprint only for 3-6 months. Seems that most or all new Treos are exclusive to one or the other (Sprint/Verizon/Cingular). Normally 3-6 months is long enough to work out the problems, put lately this has not held true, and the sales lifetime of each model appears to be 12-18 months lately. By the time Verizon gets it, it will be replaced within a year. The big question is if Palm can't sufficiently fix the 700P problems with firmware, will they be obliged to offer a trade-up to a working model?

I am a bit bummed about these newer Treos. They are so thin that you can't get a decent factory battery capacity, and aftermarket ones are limited by space. Also, with no antenna, it appears that you are talking into a calculator when using the phone in public.

RE: Verizon
hkklife @ 3/31/2007 12:47:19 PM # Q
Not true. The 700p launched simultaneously on both Sprint & Verizon. In fact, some Verizon stores actually got their 700ps in stock a few days ahead of Sprint locations.

Either way, I have not heard much good news from Verizon in the way of the 700p. Sprint's version of the 700p is generally more affordably priced, has a better software bundle, and has more affordable data plans (SERO etc). The only real reason to go with a Verizon Treo is their substantial coverage...but given the 700p's utterly poor capability as a voice cell phone, that's basically a moot point.

I am honestly expecting the 755p to be a Sprint-exclsuive phone; hence the relatively unchanged specs from the 700p. I am sure Alltel or some of the smaller regional CDMA carriers will pick it up eventually.

Right now the smartest thing for Palm to do would be to work with Verizon & Sprint (assuming they both end up stocking the 755) and offer a no-questions-asked trade-in program (available at RETAIL so or with advance shipping so no one is Treo-less for any period of time) of the 700p + $100 in exchange for a new 755p.

I really expect the 755p to be the final "clasic" Palm OS Treo (or POS device for that matter) as we know it. If Palm hangs around as an independent entity long enough, 2008 will bring something with a Palm OS emulation layer.

I also think the 700p firmware update will come out in April but it'll basically just update the BT and not address the lag/crashes etc. Remember, the Alltel version of the 700p has a more recent ROM version and appears to use the BT stack from the newer 680. That, in my opinion, is what Palm will offer up for existing 700p owners with the update.



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RE: Verizon
SeldomVisitor @ 3/31/2007 12:57:26 PM # Q
> ...no-questions-asked trade-in program...

That might affect margins somewhat...

trade up program?
yOyOYoo @ 3/31/2007 3:56:44 PM # Q
... you gotta be kidding me buddy... I wish, seriously.

RE: Verizon
QDeath @ 4/1/2007 11:27:38 AM # Q
ugh, if this is true then no upgrade for me even when this comes out. I wonder if Verizon would do something for me if I don't upgrade at the end of my contract in mid-May.

RE: Verizon
joad @ 4/2/2007 2:10:43 PM # Q
>I wonder if Verizon would do something for me if I don't upgrade at the end of my contract in mid-May.

From the reports I hear about Verizon, the only thing they might "do for you" is tell you not to let the door hit you on the way out. Head over to Sprint and save yourself some serious $$$$

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OT: Death of the cell phone charger

Gekko @ 3/31/2007 8:13:23 AM # Q

this will be great.

Death of the cell phone charger
A Pennsylvania entrepreneur has developed technology that gives you all the battery juice you need directly from the air. Business 2.0 reports.
By Melanie Haiken, Business 2.0 Magazine
March 30 2007: 7:08 AM EDT

(Business 2.0 Magazine) -- How much money could you make from a technology that replaces electrical wires? A startup called Powercast, along with the more than 100 companies that have inked agreements with it, is about to start finding out. Powercast and its first major partner, electronics giant Philips, are set to launch their first device powered by electricity broadcast through the air.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2007/04/01/8403349/index.htm?postversion=2007033007


RE: OT: Death of the cell phone charger
joad @ 4/2/2007 2:13:04 PM # Q
Amazing technology... but I can't wait to see the health effects from this sort of stuff. Powerlines are highly suspected in creating leukemia, I wouldn't want to be loading up the airwaves of my home any further with wattage that can charge up portable devices and possibly laptops later...

There was some sort of inductive pad that claimed to do something similar. I'd wager this would be at least a little safer.


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RE: Buzz
hkklife @ 3/31/2007 1:13:12 PM # Q
My guess? The STB/big thing is gonna be announced in Oct/Nov (prior to the FCC filing leaks) but not actually available until January/Febish (ala the iphone).

Either way the 755p is the last of the "classic" Palm OS devices IMO.

Palm will then have a fairly uniform lineup going into the fall:

Palm OS
680 (GSM)
755p (CDMA)

WinMob
750 (WM5/6 GSM)
755w (WM6 CDMA, 320x320)--announced in June/July ala the T|T2.

Plus whatever legacy PDAs are still in production (TX, E2, Z22).

Then in October I expect them to announce something along the lines of a 480x480 WM6 device (the "Mercedes" Treo hinted at previously) plus whatever Hawkins' "big thing" is.

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RE: Buzz
palmato @ 3/31/2007 7:09:27 PM # Q
I think the Hawkins big thing is going to be the rumored wimax device ("high speed data access everywhere"). The analyst day in early April might give some hints.

It's also possible that by October pda's will be dropped.

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RE: Buzz
hkklife @ 3/31/2007 7:24:51 PM # Q
I expect the PDAs to be kept around (I personally think they are already out of production but they have enough inventory to last through year's end) just long enough to give Palm "another" product line until the Hawking thing/WiMax whatever is announced/released this fall or early '08.


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RE: Buzz
SeldomVisitor @ 3/31/2007 7:27:48 PM # Q
> ...Hawking...

Disregarding 's's, "Hawking" is a genuine scientist, a physicist in fact.

"Hawkin" pretends to be doing well-traveled AI, but he's not labeling it that.

RE: Buzz
hkklife @ 3/31/2007 8:57:50 PM # Q
Thanks for the catch, SV. I was actually doing networking stuff prior to posting that and was, in fact, having a case of Hawking Tech networking hardware (not the genius) on my mind!



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RE: Buzz
ChiA @ 4/2/2007 10:30:38 AM # Q
big thing is going to be the rumored wimax device

Wimax?! Give me a break! The Palm OS Treos can't do current generation Wi-fi, nevermind next generation Wimax!

The wi-fi Palm OS Treo is desperately overdue and Palm's running out of excuses.

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PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!

fleehartsell3 @ 4/1/2007 11:48:16 PM # Q
I've been reading this website for the last 8 years, and I've had great experiences with the Palm brand. However, I have been dismayed by the lack of innovation on behalf of the company. This Treo 755p is simply more of the same. Unless Palm generates something actually new before July, I'm returning to Apple and will just use ePocrates by !!!Wi-Fi!!! until it becomes available as an iPhone application.

RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
freakout @ 4/2/2007 1:23:49 AM # Q
Lol. You do know that there aren't going to be (m)any iPhone applications, don't you? Apple is not allowing third-party software on the device.
RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
SeldomVisitor @ 4/2/2007 6:16:39 AM # Q
Other than FanBoys, I wonder how many people judge the utility of a device by how many applications (of mixed robustness) are available for the device?

========

Looked at from a SLIGHTLY different perspective, the =STANDARD= comeback to TREO owners who are having problems with resets is:

== "Do you have any third-party applications installed?"


RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
freakout @ 4/2/2007 8:30:46 AM # Q
Clearly, there's an appeal to being able to install and manage your own applications, otherwise the Treo (and for that matter, Palms as a whole) would never have lasted this long. People have stuck with Palm so long because it runs their favourite apps. It's certainly not the cutting-edge hardware that's keeping them, as the parent pointed out.

I think that once you've tasted the freedom that a well-designed mobile computer like the Treo brings, it's hard to go back to a closed system. Sure, there's been stability issues with the earlier models (although my 650 rarely skipped a beat) but Palm really have nailed the problems down with the 680. Hopefully the 755 will continue that trend.

Tim
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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
PacManFoo @ 4/2/2007 8:34:47 AM # Q
Freakout wrote: Lol. You do know that there aren't going to be (m)any iPhone applications, don't you? Apple is not allowing third-party software on the device.

That's not quite correct. There will be third party apps but they must go through apple. Kind of like the games that are made for the ipod. Not all the games are made by Apple, example Bejeweled. That will put a limit on how much software there is for it as not every Tom and Harry developer will want to deal with this.

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Apple - MP2000, MP2100

RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
jfme @ 4/2/2007 1:02:03 PM # Q
Maybe people "are" tired of having to re-install their own applications all the time after continous soft/hard re-sets.
RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
freakout @ 4/2/2007 6:38:30 PM # Q
PacManFoo:

You're right, of course, but I see that as being essentially the same as no third-party apps. If devs have to go through the Apple orifice to get their software onto the iPhone, then it's highly unlikely we'll see a wide range of independent, useful iPhone software as we do on a Palm.

jfme:

You may be right. But as I said, Palm have made big strides in overcoming stability issues on the Treo 680 and I've only ever had one dreaded "reset loop" in my Treo-owning history, which came when I was tinkering around with FAT32 drivers on my 650. So I don't really think that third-party applications are a turn-off.

In short: anyone who believes or tries to put forward the view that the wide range of third-party apps available for Palms is a hindrance is nuts. There's nothing forcing people to install them, after all.

Tim
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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
twrock @ 4/2/2007 7:26:50 PM # Q
Maybe people "are" tired of having to re-install their own applications all the time after continous soft/hard re-sets.

If you've owned a Palm for more than a couple of months and you haven't installed some form of automated backup-to-card program, you deserve the frustration of having to reinstall apps after a hard reset. Get a backup program! On the other hand, Palm should be bundling a simple backup program with each unit (like HandEra did).


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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
hkklife @ 4/2/2007 9:43:11 PM # Q
Looking back at the past decade of Palm OS devices from Palm Inc. even the most heavily-criticized "upgrade" devices have offered some kind of tangible improvement.

The Palm Pilots offered newer OSes, a backlit screen & more RAM from the original Pilots.

The Palm Vx had a newer OS & 4x the RAM over the Palm V.

The Zire went to the Zire 22 and, while appearing identical, the 22 had a new-generation OS5, a 100mhz+ faster CPU, and 4x the memory.

The T2 had a much better screen, 2x the RAM, and a newer OS over the T|T.

Even the suspicious 700w--->700wx transition gave a doubling of available RAM.

In fact (assuming the 755p's specs so far are all accurate), there are no actual "improvements" aside from the better formfactor, improved camera, and extra bundled software. I personally consider the drastically reduced battery capacity and the "addition" of a miniSD slot huge drawbacks.

Probably the most similar situation in Palm's past was when the Palm V was launched with nearly identical specs to the Palm III...but then again, the V still had an improved screen and a newer OS over the III. And the V's styling was a HUGE leap forward from the III series. I do not consider the tiny reduction in size and the lopping off of the aerial on the 755p anywhere close to the revolutionary Palm V styling.

P.S. Where is Ideo when Palm really needs 'em!?!


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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
freakout @ 4/2/2007 10:07:09 PM # Q
Do we know for sure the 755 will be using miniSD? Granted, it seems likely if we go by the 750 precedent, but then the 680 used a full SD slot. I suppose it depends on how much room the EVDO radio takes up...
RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
hkklife @ 4/2/2007 10:23:31 PM # Q
Well Surur & others (incoluding myself) have commented that the back panel of the 755p looks more like the 750's arse end than the 680's.

Also, look at the news items from the last few weeks I posted re: the new Palm GPS kits (the GPS Navigator 3 kit & the GPS car cradle kit). Both of them ship with TomTom 6 on a Palm-branded miniSD card but a fullsize SD adapter is included within the box.

Sounds to me like Palm is going to move full speed ahead to transition the whole Treo line (save the 680) to miniSD.

Why?

Several factors:

1. It'll be easier to kill off the PDA line, citing their "low tech" fullsize SD 1.1 slots.

2. Greed, greed, greed. Palm wants to sell more of their self-branded, overpriced miniSD memory cards

3. Palm can save a few precious R&D bucks by retreating to miniSD (capped at 2gb) and sidestep having to deal with SDHC 4gb+ file volumes a few months longer (this is in regards to FrankenGarnet, not WinMob). While miniSDHC cards are indeed on the market, they are very scarce. Plus, I am not even certain the SD Consortium has officially ratified the SDHC spec in a mini-sized card yet.

4. Going with "regular" miniSD now before making the move to miniSDHC this fall lets them hold out with one more "upgrade" in the next generation of models.

5. I would not rule out the usual kickbacks, under the table payments etc. from Sandisk et al. to Palm for trying to push a new format onto the market so that they can sell more cards.

6. With A2DP and a stereo 3.5mm headphone jack still AWOL, Palm would get even more b***hing from folks wanting to listen to 8gb+ of movies/music on their Treos (see the 680 for a perfect example of this) if they went with fullsize SDHC.


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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
freakout @ 4/3/2007 4:50:00 AM # Q
I keep remembering Treocentral's video interview with the 680 product manager:
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/948-1.htm.

In the interview he talks about how he thinks that the 680's target market would prefer regular-size SD cards, which is why they stuck with them for the 680. I'd guess it also has something to do with the 680 having a less advanced radio than the 750 - there's probably more space to have a full-size slot.

The miniSD in the GPS kit is a possibly ominous sign, but it could also just be that Palm didn't want to have to sell separate SKUs for the 750 and 680. The TomTom software on the card works on both PalmOS and WinMob, doesn't it?



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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
hkklife @ 4/3/2007 2:28:52 PM # Q
Well, oddly enough, the GPS Navigator 3 kit (released in Feb) says it IS both Palm OS & WinMob Treo compatible. But the Palm GPS Car Kit (released last week) says it's comaptible ONLY with the 680 and 700p (both Palm OS, fullsize SD devices)--but yet it ships with the miniSD card + adapter in the box.

So, if JUST go by the facts presented above, Palm has two versions of the TomTom software they are shipping on miniSD cards: one that is dual-OS and one that is just Palm OS.

So by that reasoning, the new SKU for the GPS Car Kit says it's just 680 and 700p compatible for the time being...but my guess is that Palm is probably readying a Palm OS-based Treo (755p) for imminent release and they can easily update the GPS kit's compatibility listing.

Why Palm chose not to make the handsfree GPS car kit WinMob-compatible is strange...unless they are prepping a high-end WM6 Treo with integrated GPS capabilities for release this fall (ie the "Mercedes" model hinted at previously).



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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
fleehartsell3 @ 4/3/2007 3:28:22 PM # Q
One of the greatest assets Palm currently has is the apparent appeal to developers. However, the company has failed to retain the innovative spirit of its past due to corporate restructuring. It's no wonder Palm's stock value would actually increase over rumors it might be purchaed by Motorola. The company needs new blood and is only now found it in the form of a former Apple GUI designer.

RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
hkklife @ 4/5/2007 1:58:33 PM # Q
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/04/05/motorolas-symbol-mc35-coming-to-atandt/

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Board=news&Number=27233


Is it just me or does this thing look like it's taken more than a few design (and hardware spec!) cues from the Treo line? Makes you think that Palm/Moto/Symbol might make a worthwhile team in the long run, huh?

I'm a bit surprised to see this thing at all on at&t--I'd expect "flashier" consumer oriented devices from them. Neverthelss, this just goes to show HOW easily Palm could shoehorn a (smaller than TX of course) 320x480 screen on top of the Treo's QWERTY keyboard and still have it be reasonably svelte.

EDA? Gotta love that new term for a data-centri, PDA-oriented smartphone!
And GPS, barcode scanner, and ruggedized hardware to boot? Palm should have been ALL over a design like this two years ago!

I'd even argue that Palm would have been better off killing the LifeDrive & 700w before they came to market and pursuing a multi-faceted device like this one for WM while continuing to tweak & refine FrankenGarnet for their lower end devices.



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RE: PALM IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN!!
joad @ 4/7/2007 4:51:10 PM # Q
I think it just shows that by basically "sitting on their hands" since acquiring the Treo franchise from Handspring in 2003, they've allowed everyone else and their mother to copy the basic design of the Treo and even improve on it.

The only thing Palm has going for it now is the Palm operating system. There are a million WinceMob clones of the Treo from just about every manufacturer, and they'll only get better from here.

From the way Palm has ignored even the most basic of requests from customers of their $650.00 device ("hey - how about fixing the bluetooth pairing?"), I would never recommend buying a WinceMob device from them. There's just too much competition now in that sphere, from companies that are MUCH more responsive to their quality control and customer requirements. And once customers leave the Palm "family" they'll have a damn hard time winning them back, if there's even a chance.

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