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Treo 755p ReviewPalm today announced the Treo 755p smartphone running the Palm OS. The Treo 755p debuts on the Sprint network and will reach stores in mid-May with two color options -- midnight blue and burgundy.

The 755p is a CDMA 3G smartphone with EvDO wireless data and built in support for Microsoft Exchange push email. It shares the slimmer design and internal antenna hardware of the Treo 680 and 750 models and comes bundled with a few new software applications. It will initially be available from Sprint for as low as $279.99 with a two-year service agreement and a $100 mail-in rebate.

Read on for our initial hands on preview and photo gallery.

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Since I'm first...

analogue wings @ 5/9/2007 12:57:45 AM # Q
Is this the first "obvious" upgrade for 650 users?

IIIc -> M105 -> Zire 21 -> Tungsten T2 -> Treo 650
RE: Since I'm first...
nybble @ 5/9/2007 8:23:36 AM # Q
After the fiasco of the 700p, I wouldn't jump on any "new" palm release. It's amazing how they can make so few changes (from a user's perspective) and screw up the device so much.

I highlight parts of the preview here to pull out how little this device means on my blog..

http://comments.deasil.com/2007/05/09/palm-releases-755p-no-one-cares/

RE: Since I'm first...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/14/2007 7:58:35 AM # Q
Certainly is an "upgrade" for the 700p - THAT device is gone from Sprint:

-- http://tinyurl.com/2tupcq

and replaced by this one.

[I use 20001 zipcode for these pages]

RE: Since I'm first...
joad @ 5/25/2007 1:47:28 AM # Q
Umm, no.. not an "upgrade." It's a... "coincidence"!!!

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Loving the burgundy

tj8212 @ 5/9/2007 2:07:52 AM # Q
Am really feeling the Burgundy. By the way we are giving a away two of these.
http://www.gx-5.com/specials/winatreo755p.htm

RE: Loving the burgundy
Colormeweb @ 5/10/2007 10:03:17 AM # Q
So you have to have a Treo in order to win another Treo in this contest. What about us who dont have one yet?

RE: Loving the burgundy
joad @ 5/25/2007 1:51:34 AM # Q
I thought we were a tightknit group that just kept buying Treo after Treo hoping that Palm finally got it right and the phone would actually hold up for a couple years until the next contract.

They've screwed the pooch on the Treo so many times in so many ways I think I'll open a site for dedicated Palm users called "treo_sadomasochism.com."

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Will the 755p battery fit in the 680?

freakout @ 5/9/2007 2:08:16 AM # Q
Can you cram a 755p battery into a 680, Ryan?

This new bigger battery compartment may offer an explanation for the mini-SD slot.

RE: Will the 755p battery fit in the 680?
Ryan @ 5/9/2007 2:29:49 AM # Q
Unfortunately no, that was one of the first things I tried :)

The battery cavity of the 755p is a little larger, mostly due to the freed up space from not having a sim card tray and the smaller miniSD slot.

RE: Will the 755p battery fit in the 680?
hkklife @ 5/9/2007 2:40:21 AM # Q
There is NOTHING in the way of an explanation for the lack of a fullsize SD slot but greed & a blatant disregard for the user.



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RE: Will the 755p battery fit in the 680?
retrospooty @ 5/9/2007 9:42:59 AM # Q
"There is NOTHING in the way of an explanation for the lack of a fullsize SD slot but greed & a blatant disregard for the user."

umm.... size and space concerns are likely the reason, rather than blatant disregard for customers.

RE: Will the 755p battery fit in the 680?
LiveFaith @ 5/9/2007 11:33:39 AM # Q
The phone's fat and sassy. They aint savin' space, nor trying. It's stupid!

Pat Horne
how 'bout voice quality?
freakout @ 5/9/2007 8:43:47 PM # Q
^^ Chortle. Screw this "Not just a cell phone" tag line: the 755p ad campaign should be anchored with "Large and in charge!"

The 700p has copped a lot of flak for poor voice quality. (waves at hkk ;) ) Is the 755p any better in this regard?

RE: Will the 755p battery fit in the 680?
hkklife @ 5/9/2007 10:35:57 PM # Q
*waves back*

Hey, what can I say? I've been going on damm near a decade of tri-mode Motorola CDMA handsets on Bell Atlantic/Verizon. I'm USED to good RF, great coverage and at least passable sound quality. The 700p was a lame duck in all of those categories.

"Large and in charge"? More like "The 755p. It's like a caboose. It's large, available in red, and it brings up the rear"



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Could it be more disipointing? I doubt it!

drbuzz0 @ 5/9/2007 3:35:03 AM # Q
Wow... Palm, I'm really giving you that look right now that says "I'm not mad, just so disappointed." This is complete crap.

Palm: Do you realize that customers are not happy to see that you are not keeping up with the others in terms of features on handhelds?


Basically this is a 700p, only worse! The 700p has 60 megs of accessible ram. Adding some more would really help by making it so users would not be forced to store applications in the card if they have more than a few. But NO! As cheap as flash memeory is now, it would have killed Palm to make that change.

They could have added a higher resolution camera, a2dp audio, more storage, integrated gps. But no. They added no new feature no matter how small. Now we can be sure that this phone won't do anything new or interesting.

It's a bit smaller though.... and it doesn't have an antenna. That's the ONE AND ONLY improvement. And it's not a very useful one... more just a style thing.

And Bluetooth is supposed to work ok... something they should have fixed in the 700p long long ago.

Oh yeah one thing though: It only takes SD mini instead of SD. Yes, that's right. In order to shave a tiny amount of weight off of the phone, Palm has gone ahead and cut down to mini SD, thus effectively cutting in half the avaliable memory expansion and limiting the possibilities of transferring data from another deice, such as a camera or adding any kind of SDIO option.

And one more thing... You hear that collective groan that keeps getting louder every time you release a new phone? That's everyone who was hoping that it might support wifi!


I was really holding out, hoping for something innovative, exciting or just better about the 755p. Any faith I had left in Palm is now gone completely. I have no idea how a company could be so steadfast in their commitment not to improve their products!

RE: Could it be more disipointing? I doubt it!
kpr @ 5/9/2007 3:53:50 AM # Q
I agree! Furthermore, still no Wi-Fi.

This is another boring and disapointing Palm device.

RE: Could it be more disipointing? I doubt it!
alanh @ 5/9/2007 10:10:56 AM # Q
I haven't been excited about a Palm device since the release of the Tungsten|T3. Every other device released since then (at the high end, at least) has been a mixed bag, at best. For each improvement, there's been some step backwards, and there's been no real innovation, or even consistant incremental improvement.

E.g. The TX has wifi, but slows the processor and lacks vibrating alarm, voicememo, and LED vs. the T|T3. The T5 had that useless USB-storage mode, but the same disadvantages as the TX. The Lifedrive had some potential, but was bulkier and slow. The Treo 755p lacks the antenna and has some vaguely interesting software, but lowers battery life and changes the memory card.

The 700p was underwhelming: It did address the severe memory issue of the 650, but was only minor incremental improvement hardware-wise and others seem to find fault with the sofware, I don't have one, so I don't know).

It seems like Palm is always releasing last year's model. Even the T|T3, was what the original T|T SHOULD have been....

-alanh
(PPP->III->Vx->m505->T|T->T3->TX)

-alan

RE: Could it be more disipointing? I doubt it!
SeldomVisitor @ 5/10/2007 7:08:06 AM # Q
It is not at all clear to me why Treo Fanboys are almost up in arms about the 755p as if it is some great let-down.

Why not express the same sentiment about the 700wx - a perfectly analogous recent release out of PALM - release a minorly-fixed device, discontinue the prior broken device.

Seems like a reasonable thing for a company to do.

Plus the 755p got rid of the antenna, something Marketing has been saying to do for quite some time.

===========

Anyone check out the FCC yet to compare the guts of the 700p and 755p? I'm still curious to see if the 700w and 700wx are in reality based off different hardware or are simply software-different.

RE: Could it be more disipointing? I doubt it!
SeldomVisitor @ 5/11/2007 2:48:23 PM # Q
Wow - the geeks are revolting:

-- http://www.forbes.com/video/?video=fvn/tech/df_de_download050907_ms&partner=yahootix

They're for SURE taking this device the absolute wrong way, IMHO.

Yes, the blame for that CAN be placed right at PALM's foot (?). PALM had better put out THIS particular fire SOON or those geeks that the CEO foolishly said "are theirs forever" won't be.

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Web browser

nicc @ 5/9/2007 3:51:11 AM # Q
Web browser is Opera?

RE: Web browser
nicc @ 5/9/2007 4:05:02 AM # Q
Sorry, browser is "Blazer v4.5". huuum...

RE: Web browser
joad @ 5/9/2007 11:59:29 PM # Q
^^ Please. The term is "Blazer Classic."

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Cost of IM

M3wThr33 @ 5/9/2007 6:19:40 AM # Q
*sigh*
15 cents an instant message? Charging for data really irks me as it costs them nothing. I pay $8 for unlimited text and data a month. I hate the idea that you'd pay 15 cents. It REALLLLY pisses me off. You can call someone for a fraction of that.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
RE: Cost of IM
jamesgood72 @ 5/9/2007 9:41:17 AM # Q
Arg, that's awful! Charging 15cents a message - rediculous. What a load of rubbish.

I guess there are plenty of other IM clients out there that don't charge per message...

-James.

RE: Cost of IM
achitnis @ 5/9/2007 11:29:55 AM # Q
http://mundu.im

AOL, MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, Gtalk, Jabber

$11 lifetime license, only your normal data traffic charges apply


Disclosure: I work for the company that produces Mundu IM


Atul Chitnis
http://atulchitnis.net

RE: Cost of IM
jaggrey @ 5/9/2007 2:07:07 PM # Q
I'm wondering if there's more to it, like if it's 15 cents / message if you don't have unlimited SMS or something on your account. There's got to be more to it.

University of Miami
2001 National Champions
RE: Cost of IM
jeffreytz @ 5/11/2007 7:49:57 PM # Q
I have unlimited IMs on my plan so I'd be interested in this. I've never gotten ANY IM program to run right on my 700p and I've tried them all; if they work they drain the battery in less than an hour. The last decent IM program I had was on my 650p (VeriChat worked really well for me, sadly discontinued and never worked on the 700p).

RE: Cost of IM
asiayeah @ 5/12/2007 4:51:45 AM # Q
Is it really 15 cents a message? Is it an official information?

Because normally a IM consersation will contain lots of instant messages within a short period of time. A few minutes conversation may have involve 20 messages already! One certainly wouldn't want to pay US$3 for that, otherwise it's more expensive than an international call.

Don't tell me a "hi!" message will cost 15 cents. :)

For IM on Palm, try Chatopus, http://www.chatopus.com

--
With great power comes great responsiblity.

RE: Cost of IM
Gekko @ 5/12/2007 11:57:46 AM # Q

buy the "unlimited" option for $5 a month a stop biitching.


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Looks good to me...

jamesgood72 @ 5/9/2007 9:31:12 AM # Q
Looks like a good incremental upgrade for 650 & 680 owners. More so for the 650, but that 3G data is a HUUUGE improvement for me. What's up with all the whiney babies in here? :)

I only upgraded to a 680 a few months ago (love the extra memory, seems massive to me, and I've got 10 years of Palm data in my device, the better radio is a huge improvement too), but I'd upgrade to this spec if it were available on GSM. Lucky Sprint users...

-James.

RE: Looks good to me...
joad @ 5/10/2007 12:05:34 AM # Q
Looks like a "good" upgrade for the Treo 600 (and maybe some 650 users if they need RAM) users, incremental and expensive for anyone with a newer device.

No wonder Palm couldn't even fix the 700p's problems within a year... they had their crack design team of 3 monkeys and a unicorn working overtime on making battery life shorter and all of our SD cards useless. So sad.

RE: Looks good to me...
jamesgood72 @ 5/10/2007 9:14:32 AM # Q
Joad, my current SD cards are useless in my PC's card readers anyway. My memory sticks are useless in my older Sony cameras, nobody's ever heard of SmartMedia any more. Progress happens. The only media that seems to have had any longevity is Compact Flash, and that's huuuge. If Palm could fit the bigger battery into the 755 by rearranging things, and shrinking the card slot - that's progress, dude. Buy a new card, they're cheap, and it'll work in your old equipment with the supplied adaptor. It's not the end of the world.

3G Data is a massive upgrade, and the extra memory is extremely useful. Try it. I didn't realise how much of a pleasure it would be going from my 650 to the 680. No memory worries, Blazer loads any size image I've tried, I'm not going to crash the unit by taking one too many camera pictures.

If I need to go a whole weekend without charging, I use my Seidio 2400mAh battery.

With 3G data, I see very little need for WiFi at all.

This really is evolving into the perfect platform. Beautiful apps like Googlemaps reall help, Chatter, and Pockettunes is not bad. I wish they could get some of the usability niggles in the phone / contacts apps worked out.

-James.

RE: Looks good to me...
freakout @ 5/12/2007 9:43:11 AM # Q
The thing is, miniSD isn't progress. It's more expensive and lower-capacity.
RE: Looks good to me...
joad @ 5/25/2007 2:24:07 AM # Q
jamesgood72 - And your point about the sizes would be...? A Microdrive is smaller than a 2.5" laptop drive, but so what? Laptop drives have been the same size and thickness for quite some time for a very good reason, even though technology would allow further shrinking - it's called "standardization." Even though you CAN make something smaller, there are reasons to stick with a well-established standard. UNLESS you are in the business of making $$$ off a new standard cough...sony...cough...

When Handera was producing an SD/CF combo device, Palm chose the SD format - it was beginning to take root and an ideal size for both easy handling and PDA-sized slots. They are about as big as a thumb, hard to lose, and big enough to have room to grow.

Now, Palm does this dumb move to MiniSD. Here's what we lost:

1) All SDIO cards are useless in the 755
2) The cards are more fragile and unreasonably small and unwieldy
3) MiniSD is more expensive, smaller capacity, fewer choices, and difficult to find.
4) The way Palm implemented the slot, it's nearly impossible to get in and out without poking a key or other dangerous implement in to beat the springloading.

Exactly how is any of this worth switching horses midstream? If Palm had just perfected the SDIO slot, we'd be rid of the antenna and could finally use a wider variety of accessories, easily swap cards, and save a bumload of cash by not tossing out perfectly good SD cards.

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Relieved but leery

quitob1 @ 5/9/2007 11:02:53 AM # Q
Hmmm. This doesn't seem to be much more of anything than my current 700p, except for lacking an antenna. Why not just call it the 680xv (extra battery life + EVDO)? On on hand I'm relieved my 700p wasn't bested by the 750p, but now I'm leery that Palm has run out of ideas and steam. The 700p might be my last Palm. Blackberrys are looking better and more progressive, and Treos are looking- well, redunant.

RE: Relieved but leery
joad @ 5/10/2007 12:06:30 AM # Q
Maybe they should rename the device the "755$$$$"

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755p SD slot

mikedob @ 5/9/2007 11:48:41 AM # Q
Hi,
Since I have 2-8GB SD cards as well as coup 4GB and many smaller ones, I am wondering if 755p uses both Mini-SD and regular SD cards, some mini sd cards have the adapter which is the size of the regular SD cards?

If I can not use the regular SD cards I have in my 700p there is no way I will upgrade.



Mike
700p

RE: 755p SD slot
Ryan @ 5/9/2007 11:50:19 AM # Q
The 755p is miniSD only, regular-sized SD card's will not fit in the slot.
RE: 755p SD slot
mikedob @ 5/9/2007 11:52:47 AM # Q
Thanks... that makes me sad... I have been upgrading since the Treo300... first time I will not upgrade.



Mike
700p

RE: 755p SD slot
joad @ 5/10/2007 12:10:33 AM # Q
I did some quick searching for 4GB MiniSD cards, only found SDHC so far. Sure they'll eventually come to market, but for those who move cards between devices this is just more unnecessary complexity to shave a 1/2 ounce (and hours of battery) off the device.

RE: 755p SD slot
hkklife @ 5/10/2007 1:39:51 AM # Q
And, Joad, don't forget that even if you do get a lameduck 755p and buy a 4gb miniSDHC card for it, you won't be able to use THAT mini card w/ a fullsize SD adapter in most of your other devices.

On more than a few occasions I've popped the 4gb SD 1.1 card (or my Sandisk Ultra II + card) out of my Treo and inserted it into my laptop/desktop/someone else's PC and jammed to a few tunes or pulled off some jpegs of the family. Imagine going to grandma's house with 755p, remembering to bring along a fullsize SD adapter, and going to show them some photos only to find out their stuff won't play nicely with miniSD/miniSDHC.

Heck, my Ultra II Plus card helps me circumvent the craptastic performance of Palm Desktop Hotsync in Vista...I just remove the card, stick it in my PC's usb slot, drag'n drop my PRC files on over, and reinsert the card. Bingo! Instant poor man's Hotsync!


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RE: 755p SD slot
bcombee @ 5/10/2007 3:49:40 PM # Q
hkklife, miniSD is electrically compatible with SD -- if you have the physical adapter, I don't see why the cards wouldn't work in any desktop SD reader. I understand your issues with SDHC, but that would also happen with a full-size 4GB (or larger) SDHC card.

Phones are getting smaller, and it gets harder to fit everything into the phone package while still providing a full SD slot. With the 755p, we were able to give you a format that you could continue to use with other SD-devices using an adapter and make more room to allow for a larger battery than the 680 and 750 devices.

As for why not use microSD? The main issue is form factor -- the cards are VERY small and really hard to implement in a durable slot interface. It can work well for swappable internal storage and applications where it's located under a battery like a SIM card, but it didn't seem appropriate for an easily swappable card interface.

RE: 755p SD slot
hkklife @ 5/10/2007 5:54:50 PM # Q
Ben;

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

I should have clarified that my issues experienced with using mini/microSD cards in fullsize adapters were with older PCs/laptops/card readers...think a Dazzle SD USB reader from 2002 or something similar.

I used to carry one of the early small SD/MMC readers in my laptop bag and it had numerous issues with cards larger than 512mb and/or the smaller format cards when used with a fullsize adapter. I had to RMA several flash cards before I finally realized it was a combination of the reader & people other than myself using it on Win2k-based machines and trying to hot-remove the drive from the PC's front USB ports without properly stopping it for safe removal.

If given the preference, I'd have preferred either an antenna-less version of the slighly larger 700p/w formfactor with fullsize SD OR the Treo 680's compromised battery life in exchange for a fullsize SD & SDHC cards.

Sorry Ben, but there have been many occasions out in the field when I've taken a picture (usually VGA or 1/2mb) with my "real" digital camera, popped the SD card into my 700p, and e-mailed it to someone with VersaMail with no PC anywhere around. That's impossible to do on the 755p unless I spend more money buying miniSD cards & adapters for my digital camera and that's just not going to happen.

I am in the process of investing heavily in SDHC (new card readers for all of my desktops & a new photo printer) as I prefer to keep a single massive card in my camera while traveling. SDHC is the ideal size/speed/capacity for my needs and it's a shame to see Palm sidestepping support for it instead of embracing it.



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RE: 755p SD slot
freakout @ 5/10/2007 7:08:41 PM # Q
Not to mention that adapaters are a pain in the bum. I'm with hkk - I'd rather have the shorter battery life and a full size SD slot. Phones are getting smaller, but conversely, people's personal media collections are getting bigger. I know that my 4GB SD is creaking under the strain and I'll be getting an 8GB card very soon.

Palm obviously recognizes that some (IMO, most) people prefer standard SD cards, else the 680 would have had miniSD just like the 750. Was the battery that much of an issue, or is Palm planning to standardise on miniSD in future devices?

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: 755p SD slot
hkklife @ 5/10/2007 10:31:13 PM # Q
There are simply only a handful of reasons behind Palm chosing to go with miniSD. To believe anything else is pure Palm apologist bollocks:

#1. Cost/stinginess/cheapness etc.
It's easier to shrink the size of the card than to try harder to engineer the 755's innards around a fullsize SD slot. It CAN, COULD, and SHOULD have been done. If I want longer battery life on my 700p, I CAN add a "rumpshaker" 3200mAh battery and deal with the extra size. The thickness of the 700/650/600 Treos was never an issue to me...the nasty protruding antenna and the small square screen and no stereo headphone jack are the dealbreakers for me. If we knew that shaving off a fraction of the Treo's girth (600/650/700 vs. 680/750/755) would bring about reduced battery life and miniSD, I think the majority of the Treo users wouldn't have complained so loudly over the past two years! Instead of offering Xboxes & cash to WinMob developers, Palm should offer Xboxes & cash to electrical engineers & industrial designers to come up new Treo formfactors that offer higher capacity batteries, larger screens and fullsize expansion media!

#2. Kickbacks/payoffs/greed etc.
As Joad pointed out yesterday, it's entirely possible the miniSD cabal (Sandisk etc) rewarded Palm generously to move to miniSD. They know the Palm faithful will rush out to replace the SD cards with like-sized (perhaps even smaller!) miniSD cards. Notice how the new Palm-branded miniSD cards even tout their compatibility with older Palm devices when using a fullsize adapter? Funny how Palm doesn't bother addressing the other side of that equation.

#3. Technical considerations/laziness/additional cost factors etc.
IMO this is the big one, regardless of how Palm spins it. Palm doesn't want to have to "deal" with users complaining & fussing about their Garnet-based devices not recognizing 8gb SDHC cards as a single large volume. Trying to patch/hack Garnet one last time to support 8gb volumes simply isn't worth it in Palm's eyes & to their beancounters.

With 4 & 8gb SDHC cards rapidly becoming the norm (and, as Tim points out, people's media collections swelling daily) Palm's awkward positioning in regards to 8gb SDHC cards would only become more & more of an issue going forward. 16gb SDHC cards, while very pricey, are now trickling into the market and should be reasonably affordable by Christmastime. So you can see how the 32gb cap of SDHC looks quite imposing to FrankenGarnet's 4gb volume cap.

By retreating to the relative safety of miniSD (where a quick check of Newegg.com shows exactly ONE 4gb miniSD card-all the others are 2gb or smaller), Palm can stay in the sub-4gb side of the playground and coast along for another year until Garnet is EOL'd.

The iPhone, REGARDLESS of its various shortcomings & high pricetag, is going to do one thing: make people very conscious about how many gigs of storage space their smartphone is packing. Palm GAVE away a perfect opportunity to jazz up the tired old Treo design ever so slightly with a 3.5mm stereo headphone jack & 8gb+ SDHC compatibility. Had they done that they could've stolen customers away from the iPhone that might prefer a physical button keyboard, infinitely expandable applications, *REAL* EVDO 3G (and CDMA coverage) alongside a much cheaper pricetag!
Instead, Palm just threw in the towel and performed Seppuku to Palm OS-based Treos for the forseeable future.

Again, I am NOT hating on Palm...I am a 10 year (this month, in fact) fan of the platform & the OS. But I cannot stand to see this feeble defeatist product strategy time after time in light of increasingly brutal competition in the market!

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RE: 755p SD slot
freakout @ 5/11/2007 12:49:08 AM # Q
^^ I didn't realise 16GB SD cards were already available. Did a quick Google: you can get one for $3,500. Yowza!

http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/07/microdia-launches-16gb-sdhc-card-your-pocketbook-weeps-for-sham/

Wonder if it'd work in a Treo?

RE: 755p SD slot
hkklife @ 5/11/2007 1:00:40 AM # Q
This is the world, Mr. Carroll. EVERYTHING'S for sale!

I highly doubt it'd worth in a Treo. At best, the first 4gb would be seen and then it'd probably get all wacky & wonky. But who needs 16gb of SDHC goodness when you can have 4gb of monumental miniSD power, huh??


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RE: 755p SD slot
jamesgood72 @ 12/12/2007 5:33:09 PM # Q
hkklife,

I've been using an 8GB card for MP3's on my 680 for the past 6 months. I think the 680 must support SDHC...

-James.

USR Pilot 5000, Palm Pilot Pro, Palm V, Clie 610C, Clie TG50, Clie UX50, Treo 650, Treo 680

RE: 755p SD slot
jamesgood72 @ 12/12/2007 5:34:37 PM # Q
Oops, I thought I was in the new 680 firmware thread. Sorry, disregard my outofdate comment!

-James.

USR Pilot 5000, Palm Pilot Pro, Palm V, Clie 610C, Clie TG50, Clie UX50, Treo 650, Treo 680

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What?

mikecane @ 5/9/2007 12:27:47 PM # Q
>>>One odd aspect of the 755p is that it includes the same phone dialer and call management software as the 700p and not the new and improved suite from the 680.

What's up with that?!

RE: What?
joad @ 5/9/2007 2:40:20 PM # Q
^^ Palm has been too busy with that firmware fix on the 700p.

What a *DISGUSTING* release, especially after Palm has had over 3 years since acquiring the Treo line from Handspring.

Palm's "innovations":

* Hi-resolution screen (HS would have included if had $$$)
* Internalized antenna (HS would have included if had $$$)
* Removeable battery (HS would have included if had $$$)
* Bluetooth (HS would have included if had $$$)
* More "RAM" (HS would have included if had $$$)
* Mini-SD card (Palm likely was paid-off by the Mini-SD cabal so that we have to repurchase yet again the more expensive format)

In other words - the only thing Palm seems to have "contributed" to the Treo line was the CASH that Handspring didn't have. CASH obviously doesn't indicate any level of creativity, the Treo line is a dying horse.

We're right around 4 years since the 600 was announced, and Palm has let Blackberry and WinceMobile eat their lunch. And this Treo 755p is the whimper that probably signals the death knell for Palm. Sad, sad, sad.

OK- Where do we go now?

RE: What?
PacManFoo @ 5/9/2007 4:44:26 PM # Q
The current Palm regime is basically the Handspring regime. So blame Jeff and Ed. Just like at Handspring though, their doing their best to kill off the handheld line. This time though they've also managed to disenfranchise both the users and developers. Congratulations Palm on yet another underwelming device, but hey at least it's got new colors, Woo Hoo. Hard to believe I was once the ultimate Palm fanboy and they've even managed to piss off me. Once the iPhone hits and all those er ah dedicated Treo users start jumping ship don't expect your core users to be there to pick up the pieces for you.

PDA's Past and Present:
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: What?
joad @ 5/10/2007 12:15:42 AM # Q
Aww, who are you kidding!? This has more case colors than the iPhone - Palm's gonna wipe that silly Apple and all their focus on "functionality" off the map. What the heck does Apple know about selling consumer electronics, anyway? Remember that stupid "iPod" (or whatever it was called) they tried selling a few years ago? That sure went over like a rock balloon, eh?

Palm is one "Christie Brinkley" pink Treo away from the #1 cell phone manufacturing position.

RE: What?
freakout @ 5/10/2007 1:56:11 AM # Q
Once the iPhone hits and all those er ah dedicated Treo users start jumping ship don't expect your core users to be there to pick up the pieces for you.

ROFLMAO. The iPhone is horribly expensive (especially for a 2G device), is not open to third-party developers, and doesn't even have buttons! This "er ah dedicated" Treo user ain't interested, and I can't imagine that my sentiment is that radically different from the average Treo owner's. Give me a QWERTY board for messaging, my choice of applications and cut the price in half. Then we'll talk...

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: What?
SeldomVisitor @ 5/10/2007 6:17:27 AM # Q
I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple introduce an iPhone with buttons...

They like to do surprising things.

RE: What?
mikecane @ 5/10/2007 9:23:21 AM # Q
>>>Palm is one "Christie Brinkley" pink Treo away from the #1 cell phone manufacturing position.

GASP! Brinkley?!!? It was supposed to have been Anna Nicole Smith! Damn that she died. She's taking Palm with her now!

RE: What?
slinky @ 5/10/2007 8:21:19 PM # Q
The iPhone is a meager, pure profit-driven attempt to dumb down multifunction phones for people who aren't really into any type of power usage. It will not come close to any Treo with regard to the applications flexibility. It contains so many closed ends and potential for things to go wrong that will require your returning the phone for an expensive repair that it is a true danger. It was designed by Apple to primarily make money off of everyone who is willing to pay a heavy premium for the "cool" factor. While it probably benefits from ease of use - with the exception of wanting to type all day on a touch screen - as well as a few other media applications and better browser, don't mistake it for the power of a true smartphone.

The Treo 755 is the latest, even more lame and pathetic attempt by Palm to line its pockets and provides absolutely nothing of real value into a major release. Given that Microsoft is working on its new phones and that some very impressive new models are coming over the course of 2007, it goes without saying that Palm will see sales of its new models drop considerably from what are probably going to be a mediocre opening very quickly. What we've been provided under the cover of night with regard to the future make the 755 even duller than a yawn. Been there done that YEARS ago.

Yes, Ed and Palm and co. rested on their laurels, collected huge bonuses while claiming that they have pushed Palm to new heights. It's sad that they milked these models for as much bonus money as they could pocket at the expense of the company's long term future. I really miss the days when executives really took pride in their products and wanted to build the better machines where it was a win-win all the way around. It's been many years but I'm looking forward to PPC with high resolution and a device made by another manufacturer...

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vs. 700?

jmasur @ 5/9/2007 3:05:17 PM # Q
So as far as I can tell, the primary differences vs. the 700 are internal antenna and miniSD. Am I missing something? Are the problems that require the forthcoming 700 flash upgrade resolved? Because as a 650 owner with SD cards looking to upgrade, I'm tempted to take the 700 off Sprint's hands cheap. What would I give up?

RE: vs. 700?
jmasur @ 5/9/2007 3:08:48 PM # Q
(Oh, and not to mention the fact that I already have extra batteries)

RE: vs. 700?
Barksfan @ 5/9/2007 5:31:50 PM # Q
I have a 700P - like you, I think the differences seem extremely subtle - hardly worth the "upgrade" I have a 4 gb SD card and 2 2GB SD card as well as a extended life 2400 Mah battery for my 700P. Not enough changes in the 755P to justify giving up my existing peripherals. this is to say nothing of the hastle of moving all my programs over. Too bad they didn't allow for 8GB cards (some of the Treos do I think) and increase the internal memory to 256 MB - there are still several programs that insist on being resident on the device - not the card. Include the better dialer of the 680 along with the few changes Palm did make on the 755Pand they might have had a winner. Strangely enough, I actually like my 700P - works great with Tom Tom and decently on the internet. Hate the pauses that it often goes through when switching programs.

Oh yes, one other question - did Palm change to a standard headphone jack? That would have been nice as well.

RE: vs. 700?
hkklife @ 5/9/2007 5:41:49 PM # Q
Garnet cannot handle a main memory RAM amount larger than 128mb.
Palm could have, however, gone with the usual 128mb RAM/60mb available configuration but added an internal 2gb flash storage volume ala the Tungsten T5. That'd have gone a long way towards mitigating the lack of a fullsize SDHC slot.

The 755p should have contained the following minor tweaks, all fully within the capabilities of Palm's R&D budget & Garnet's technical limitations:

-Stereo 3.5mm headphone jack
-Internal 1gb or 2gb flash storage
-Fullsize SDHC slot (or just fullsize SD w/ "unofficial" SDHC support like Treo 680)
-DTG version 10 & Vista-compliant Palm Desktop in the box
-Palm voice dialing app full version in ROM
-Improved 1.3mp camrea and/or 2mp camera w/ flash

With the relatively minor above changes, Palm could have made the 755p a real contender and a semi-worthy iPhone competitor with 1/2 the pricetag.

As it is in its current state, however, it's filled up with last year's tired old applications (DTG 8, Blazer 4.5, VM 3.5), several technology downgrades (smaller battery capacity than 700p and a lame miniSD slot), and enough "try me" bonus software that it's practically masquerading as a pocket sized vending machine for Sprint pay-as-you-go data services. The only hope for the 755p is a quick $50 to $100 price drop to pull in the n00bs.

What a sad, feeble horse for Garnet & the classic Palm OS to stagger off on...

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: vs. 700?
joad @ 5/10/2007 12:16:58 AM # Q
-Stereo 3.5mm headphone jack
-Internal 1gb or 2gb flash storage
-Fullsize SDHC slot (or just fullsize SD w/ "unofficial" SDHC support like Treo 680)
-DTG version 10 & Vista-compliant Palm Desktop in the box
-Palm voice dialing app full version in ROM
-Improved 1.3mp camrea and/or 2mp camera w/ flash

...well stated.

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Two questions

vixensjlin @ 5/9/2007 4:16:24 PM # Q
1. Is it EVDO Rev.A?

2. Will Verizon release it as well?

RE: Two questions
Ryan @ 5/9/2007 4:54:12 PM # Q
It is EVDO rev 0, not "A". Same as the 700p.

Verizon is expected to carry this device, but they have not many any official announcements. All Palm is saying is that Sprint is the first carrier to pick this up and they do not have an exclusive on it.


VERIZON
QDeath @ 5/9/2007 10:02:24 PM # Q
Any news on release dates, anyone?????????

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Disappointment

joejoe @ 5/9/2007 5:54:27 PM # Q
I haven't been to this site for a while. I check back from time to time to see if Palm has released anything of interest.

All I can do is scratch my head in wonder that they almost stopped dead in their tracks after Sony dropped out of the Clie business. Sony had true class & innovation which Palm at least tried to copy! Now, there is no one to copy.

I tend to agree with the person who said that when the iPhone came out, it'd be a dark day in Palm city. I'm not a Mac person, don't even own an iPod, yet that iPhone really sounds great.

Too bad. Palm once WAS & owned the market.

RE: Disappointment
joad @ 5/10/2007 12:22:20 AM # Q
Once the other PalmOS competitors were killed off, Palm seems to have been set adrift. One year it's sliding PDAs, the next it's a brick-sized iPod with a laggy hard drive, they buy up Handspring and have re-released the same thing for the past 4 years, adding in WinceMob to confuse things more. Urrgh.

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Alltel

pottsme @ 5/9/2007 6:03:41 PM # Q
Wonder if/when Alltel will carry this.

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Greater than 4gb miniSD

analogue wings @ 5/9/2007 9:53:02 PM # Q
Are mini SD cards bigger than 4gb available yet?

What is the likelihood that the 755p will work with such cards, albeit unofficially?

IIIc -> M105 -> Zire 21 -> Tungsten T2 -> Treo 650

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Maybe they will learn a lesson here

bbtkd @ 5/10/2007 7:23:12 AM # Q
Too much to hope but hopefully Palm will see these reactions and put a hold on any pending devices that don't have a better camera, more memory, wifi, higher capacity battery, etc, etc. I do think they are right to switch to mini-SD though. In two years any new device coming out with full size SD will be criticized. They might have held off a model or two though since the lifecycle on smartphones is only about 2 years...


RE: Maybe they will learn a lesson here
freakout @ 5/10/2007 6:53:24 PM # Q
In two years any new device coming out with full size SD will be criticized.

But why?! Clearly, they're the best choice for consumers: higher capacity and lower prices. If I'm looking for a new device in two years I'll be looking for one with standard SD. I have zero interest in buying new cards, and I'm sure the same must apply to almost any owner of a standard-SD device. I use my Treo as my media player - I for one wouldn't have "upgraded" from the 650 if I had to switch to mini-SD. What would be the point? It's a step back, rather than a step forward.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: Maybe they will learn a lesson here
joad @ 5/13/2007 4:08:59 PM # Q
...and you know as soon as enough suckers throw away hundreds of $$$ in SD and buy up hundreds of dollars in Mini-SD, Palm (if they are still in business by then) will decide that Micro-SD are the way to go... then the process will start all over again.

How many Mini-SD SDIO devices exist? How many 4GB Mini-SD cards (and larger) are on the market right now and for the next few months?

When Palm went with SD instead of CF (or CF *and* SD like Handera offered) we all groaned, but endured because they claimed they needed it "for space considerations". Now, I haven't torn apart Treo models with the SD and Mini-sd cards to compare how much space they are saving, but for the amount of trouble and expense and incompatibility they are creating for people (even NEW users will often use a camera that uses SD and want to upload a pic or two), this is a dumb-dumb move.

Why oh why does Palm work so hard to break the few things that have been working for their devices? I'm really bummed that I'll have to live with this buggy 700p until at least the NEXT release from these goofballs. (and I'm "SURE" we'll be seeing the firmware patch by 1Q 2007, oh I mean 5/31/07...).

RE: Maybe they will learn a lesson here
SeldomVisitor @ 5/14/2007 6:50:52 AM # Q
I went from 8" to 5.25" to 3.5" floppy drives, then on to flash drives (and, I guess one could say, on to SD and mini-SD though admittedly I haven't personally done that).

Why is this any different at all and why is this at ALL controversial OR unexpected?

Serious question - looks like standard stuff to me.

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1 trick pony starting to jump the shark

VampireLestat @ 5/10/2007 10:46:10 PM # Q
Sick of the boring same old Treo design?

GET USED TO IT SUCKERS! because remember Palm's big plan to get that Chinese plant to manufacture all the future Treos based on an same core design to reduce costs. ROTFL.

The 'new' product line is going to be what guys? any ideas? MP3 devices? UMPC? Variation of the handheld line? GPS (to copy HP)?

RE: 1 trick pony starting to jump the shark
VampireLestat @ 5/10/2007 10:48:52 PM # Q
A 'micro Palm' would be interesting.

RE: 1 trick pony starting to jump the shark
hkklife @ 5/10/2007 11:04:34 PM # Q
Vamp;
Remember what Pat Horne and I conjectured about two years ago? I think even TVoR chimed in with some enthusiastic support.

Take a Zire 31 and shrink it down to Z22 size. Then remove the Graffiti area to further reduce it in size. Give it a Treo-style small but sharp 320x320 screen and virtual Graffiti. If costs/battery life is an issue then go with the best possible DSTN 160x160 screen or, if possible, a DSTN 320x320 screen (there's an nifty possibility!).

Then throw in 2gb or so of internal flash storage (like the T|T5) and a REAL headphone jack. Load it up with a couple of games and a FULL version of PTunes and a cheap but halfway decent set of earbuds (think cheap Sennheisers).

Push the he11 out of this thing to the teen/young hipster market who cannot afford a Treo/BB/Hiptop/Sidekick. With the lame flash-based mp3 players still inexplicably selling for over $100, one of those would look pretty nifty in comparison, especially with a 4 or 8gb SDHC card onboard.

Going up a notch on the evolutionary ladder, I always thought Palm was insane for not producing a Treo 90-type followup device. That is, a Treo that's not a phone. Take a basic Treo 680 formfactor, remove the cellular radio & removable battery, and add in BT & Wi-fi (from the TX) along with a stereo headphone jack. You could have text messaging-crazy kids pecking away at it while jamming to mp3 tunes at their favorite hotspot coffee shop.

Of course, it's too late for anything as clever as that to come out of Palm. But such a device would have been ideal back in '04 or '05 or so.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: 1 trick pony starting to jump the shark
Gekko @ 5/12/2007 9:20:36 AM # Q

Low margin cheap non-cellular non-carrier-subsidized devices are a waste of time and bad for business.

There's no reason to buy/manage/charge/carry/sync/fight/fumble with 2+ devices when ONE Smartphone can do it all.



RE: 1 trick pony starting to jump the shark
joad @ 5/13/2007 4:10:36 PM # Q
...if only one smartphone COULD "do it all." It certainly ain't the Treo...

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