Comments on: Palm OS Garnet VM Released for Nokia Internet Tablets
Access has announced today that it is releasing Palm OS Garnet VM software for the Nokia series of Internet Tablet devices. The Garnet VM essentially acts as an emulator allowing you to run Palm OS applications on a Nokia N770, N800 and N810 Internet Tablet. The a beta version is currently available a free download from Access.
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RE: Something Palm could never have done
DROOOOOL!
Hey, Gekko! Think about THAT!!
RE: Something Palm could never have done
Anyways, !!! from me. It provides a whole new use for even the 'old' N770 tablet, which, being the cheapo I am, would be the device I want to get. I wonder how much (if anything) the VM will cost once it is out of beta though.
It also seems funny to me that, as far as I know, Nokia is reversing the trend in hardware production that Palm has followed of recent years. Undoubtedly, Nokia has a ton more resources to do so, but they've gone from making (good :D) phones to tablet/PDAish devices, while Palm has gone from PDAs to almost smartphones exclusively...
RE: Something Palm could never have done
You're into self-punishment, are you?
RE: Something Palm could never have done
>>> You're into self-punishment, are you?
What, is the 770 really that bad? If it counts for anything though, I have been using a Pocket PC for the last 3 years (going onto 4!). :)
The n800 already seems to be dropping alot from its original $400 price though, which is very nice. I can't say if I would want the integrated GPS (along with the higher price tag) in the n810 because I've never used GPS before anyways.
RE: Something Palm could never have done
RE: Something Palm could never have done
You must get out and around the Net more, son. Scroll down for pertinent link.
RE: Something Palm could never have done
I think I get out enough here, thanks. :P
As to scrolling down for the link, thanks, I already read it yesterday after you posted it. Correlate the time stamps of my comment that you commented on and your comment where you provided the link (not to mention who you were responding to when you posted the link)...?
Sorry if mentioning the 770 really brought those demons out!
Garnet VM for Linux?
We used to have CoPilot *Emulator* for UNIX/Linux, but that was only for Palm OS 3.X, then Palm only gave us POSE *Simulator* for Windows.
Garnet VM for Linux would be really nice to have... for Linux desktop and laptop use, as well any any other Linux-based phone platforms that may have recently released SDKs.
Integration of Garnet VM with Android would certainly allow developers and users to get more than a few more miles out of PalmOS.
USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone
RE: Garnet VM for Linux?
Access is already trying to sell their OS with Garnet built in to phone manufacturers.
Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
Want an alternative? Try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://www.mepis.org/
RE: Garnet VM for Linux?
RE: Garnet VM for Linux?
Ran it on Linux and it does what it says... I was sort of hoping it would have all the standard PIM apps in the GVM so I could use it like just like a PDA, but I suppose with a little effort I could build an image with whatever programs I want and care about and not have to include any junk I don't need or want.
Seems some of the screen resolution choices that are documented weren't available in the non-debug binary... haven't done that much testing with it yet.
USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone
770 version not available?
They tell me to watch my mail.
Been watching. I expected an immediate bot-sent email with a d/l link.
Nothing has arrived in my mailbox.
Right then, Not holding breath.
RE: 770 version not available?
Will report back. Doing jillions of things online at once right now...
RE: 770 version not available?
1) Click email link, agree to EULA
2) Download
3) Plug in 770 to desktop
4) Find and move garnet_VM.deb file to 770's MMC
5) Disconnect from PC
6) On 770, File Manager to see file on MMC
7) Tap on Garnet_VM.deb
8) Application Installer comes up: Install? Yes.
9) Agree to EULA, get Garnet_VM start screen that has options
10) Tap Launch
11) Ooh, I Can Haz P4lmOZ In Mah 770!
There's no Rotate for it (Rotate button brings you to Calendar and then cycles through its view with repeated presses). And it is SMALL. I tried to take a picture comparing the Garnet/770 screen to my LifeDrive screen, but they came out crap. It is SMALL!! Like, TWO INCHES TALL. Get it? SMALL! TINY! TEENY!!!
It is fast as launched, but that's saying NOTHING because I have no data in the Apps: Calendar, Contacts, Memos. (Nor do I intend to try to load them... at least not now. Maybe not even later.)
Then I downloaded TiBR (ebook reader) and a random ebook from manybooks.net. Put them on the MMC as per above. Launched Garnet_GM, hit the Install button on that start screen, navigated to the two files and installed them.
They worked.
If you want me to try a specific app, post the URL for the app and I'll see if I can squeeze in the time for it.
My 770's digitizer is shot, so I couldn't try Graffiti at all (the digitizer is shot from me BASHING THE GODDAM SCREEN WITH THE STYLUS TO GET THE GODDAMNED SLOW 770 TO RESPOND! I'm not kidding when I call it the BPOSKTM!)
As other people have pointed out, and I agree: It's a toy right now. Once Rotate is enabled for a full-screen experience, they might have something (not that *I* would ever *buy* an Anti-Net tab from goddam Die!Nokia!Die!).
Oh, yeah, I got the full 320x480 experience in all apps. Even TiBR.
YMMV.
RE: 770 version not available?
http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/nokia-770-the-endgame/
NSFW language (all deserved!). Not for Christians or Other Children.
RE: 770 version not available?
In any event, I guess you learned to live with the 770 as you're testing the GVM on it?
RE: 770 version not available?
Yeah, I love the Sony Reader (but still don't have one). I just wish they could get publishers to drop the price of ebooks to realistic levels! I am seriously waiting for the moment when I can spend tons of money for my elibrary (I've had to stop buying print books because of their weight; who wants to *carry* that stuff when moving?).
No links in email
Yes, VM for eeePC would be really cool!
I have been A Palm user since PalmPilot Pro. If they can make VM for eeePC then I will stay a bit more!
RE: It's going to be released FREE!?
Wow!
RE: Wow!
2. This shows how aggressive Access are becoming. Just when all of the PIC faithful were ready to stick a fork in Access/PalmSource 6-12 months ago, they come from out of nowhere with some reasonable looking ALP screenshots, positive buzz and now this!
3.Just imagine what will happen if Access lets Nokia become an official Garnet/ALP licensee for cheap. What if Nokia were to release a smaller, cheaper, cut-down version of the N800/810 with Garnet pre-installed? And then follow it up with a fancier version runnng ALP with a solid final release of the Garnet VM onboard? WOW! This sort of a non-telephone, non-voice device, I've always maintained, is the best way to dip a toe into the waters of a new OS.
4. I wonder if any of this will make Palm wake up and offer, say, Blazer, VersaMail & SDHC updates to the TX? Hmmmm.....NAH!
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Wow!
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!
Death before Nokia, I say!! Death!!
RE: Wow!
Whoa!
Palm TX + 1GB SD + Motorola v3x = awesomeness
RE: ZombieGarnet
i bet this is even buggier than FrankenGarnet.
I bet it reboots faster.
Do you think Access has actually been fixing bugs in Garnet? [gasp!]
What are the version numbers for Palm OS and the core apps in Garnet VM?
RE: ZombieGarnet
I should add that there is nothing really different from v.5.4.99999 that I can tell, it's just the very basic uncustomized PIM apps that are included here.
RE: ZombieGarnet
How fast/accurate is the G1 input? Does it behave exactly like it did in the good ol' days? How does G1 fare with 320x480? Does it have fullscreen writing support etc? And is capitalization performed the same way as G2 (going between the character & letter areas) or do you use the old "up" stroke to do caps?
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
Nice
RE: what about StyleTap?
N800
So, here is what I have learned:
You can sync it with a mac using Missing Sync. Since my iphone is my primary pim gadget, I just have the calendar and contacts overwritten from the desktop.
My astraware games work great. The two programs that I am most thrilled about are Handyshopper and Splash money. I have not yet tried to sync splash money, but I am so thrilled to have the checkbook app back(It was dog slow on the lifedrive and it drove me nuts). Also, after four years of working on my grocery list, I am thrilled to have that back too, plus the list capability. Lastly, ereader works and with over 200 ebook purchased in the past 3-4 years, I was worried about losing them, or at least access to them.
Three programs have not worked so far:
Oxford dictionary v.1
Pennovate Notes and CalenNotes. Since the screen is so fine I cannot write that small anyway.
RE: N800
Thank God! It's not just me! Even with the MicroDrive excised in favor of CF, it still sucketh greatly.
RE: ACCESS: I Can Has Amazon Kindle?
http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/11/20/linux-on-amazons-kindle-e-book-reader
Maybe a notepad/draw program? Handyshopper? A Calendar app that syncs with either Yahoo or Google calendar wirelessly? An interpreter for text-based Z-machine games?
USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone
ACCESS has a new PR-fluff out
Not clear it suggests a potential customer relationship, however.
RE: ACCESS has a new PR-fluff out
iPhone to kill ACCESS ALP OS
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119796487684536435.html
iPhone worldwide dominance is inevitable.
Get in line, heathen.
Stop worshiping your button-heavy Treos.
And *especially* stop worshiping those damn Finns (DieNokiaDie!!!).
You have your orders. Now proceed.
Garnet VM Hot Sync on N800
My Palm desktop is v,6.2 for Vista.
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Something Palm could never have done
I wonder if I can use this on my EeePC or if they'll produce a version that can run on any Debian-based linux distro?
Palm Pro -> Handspring Visor -> Tungsten C -> Asus EeePC