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RE: Glad you're back online
OK, what about us "Palm Loyal" customers who have been with the platform for 10+ years?
Will old Palm OS apps run on the new OS?
What about the Palm Desktop?... does the new PRE work with the old Desktop or has the Desktop been overhauled too?
Can I easily migrate all my old data onto the new device?
RE: Glad you're back online
Sometimes it's what they DON'T say that is important.
RE: Glad you're back online
RE: Glad you're back online
What we DON'T want to hear about NOVA:
"Too little too late", "Weak", "Yawn Inducing", "Huh?", "Empty promises", "Underpowered", "Disappointment".
Hiccups?!!?
I must find backups!
xkcd Contest Winner
See the unfunny punchline and winner:
http://tinyurl.com/9xm5a2
RE: Stop!
RE: How many of you saw this and thought it was 'Nova'?
It might be cool to log on to your desktop from a PDA-style device, but I don't see it as being all that useful. They're very different platforms, and I think navigating a desktop on a PDA would be like trying to thread a needle wearing boxing gloves.
RE: How many of you saw this and thought it was 'Nova'?
RE: Quivering with excitment
RE: Quivering with excitment
RE: Quivering with excitment
The whole point that people have supported and stuck with Palm so fervently over the years is 1) ease of use and 2) third-party application expandability. Other companies can leapfrog whatever interesting features this has pretty quickly, but nobody's been able to accommodate classic Palm OS applications very well. StyleTap on the WinceMob is about as close as they've come...
whats with the bottles of booze?
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
BTW Aaron, you may need to make a new version of Lemmings for me if Nova ain't Garnet-compatible. ;)
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 -> Treo 650 -> Treo 680 -> Centro
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
Liveblogging about new PalmOS from old PalmOS
Hope you brought a portable keyboard for that 755p Kris...
RE: Liveblogging about new PalmOS from old PalmOS
11:34:16 AM Kris **
Kris, have you lost your mind? Do you know how many years it has been since Palm OS users have had ANY learning curve? Good work guys.
Pat Horne
RE: Liveblogging about new PalmOS from old PalmOS
RE: Palm webOS? PRE?
RE: Palm webOS? PRE?
still, with the sounds of this hardware, who cares?! It sounds awesome!!!
RE: Palm webOS? PRE?
http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -
There goes my PDA
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PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> Tx (2007)
RE: There goes my PDA
Now show me some damn pictures!
RE: There goes my PDA
Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze
More pictures please!! :-)
Tungsten T -> Palm TX -> TX & Centro (Good combo so far!)
RE: You gotta be kidding me
Nooooooo!!!!!!!
ONe can only hope it won't be long... they did say 3G GSM was one of the reasons they needed to move to a new OS...
RE: You gotta be kidding me
No way they are going to forsake international markets for a long exclusive to Sprint, the 3rd largest US Carrier. My confidence is partially desperation based.
Also, ATT not getting on the Pro bandwagon would indicate they are waiting on WebOS. Or, they have a complete falling out with Palm altogether. I cannot bear the latter.
Good looking design. Shoulda went Roteo on the KB for landscape text tho. Still good.
Pat Horne
RE: You gotta be kidding me
Personally, it's not the way I'd have gone-I'd have tried to contract with AT&T so that I would have a GSM version for launch in other countries too, but AT&T might not have wanted to play. Either because they want to minimize iPhone competition or because they're trying to cut down on their supported platforms.
RE: You gotta be kidding me
RE: You gotta be kidding me
Pat Horne
RE: You gotta be kidding me
HVGA sucks too.
Poor execution Palm! Maybe Sprint can give you a leg up, but it's only a very short-term solution.
Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze
RE: You gotta be kidding me
RE: You gotta be kidding me
Pat Horne
RE: You gotta be kidding me
Pat Horne
RE: You gotta be kidding me
Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze
RE: PICTURES!
Intersting- this should have been billed as a huge paradigm shift, but I guess they got burned on that with Foleo.
PLease, be on Sprint!!!
RE: PICTURES!
Thanks!
RE: awesome
RE: learning curve is right
live videocast?
a live videocast would have been nice given that it's 2009. i guess CES has rules against this??? how about a 15 min delayed videocast? this reading text in the year 2009 feels like communicating via smoke signals or the telegraph.
RE: live videocast?
RE: Exclusive with SPRINT!
DAMN YOU, EXCLUSIVITY!
Still, every carrier is gonna want a piece of this thing. Can't be that long till it turns up elsewhere. I hope. Their previous exclusivity agreements only ever lasted a coupla months...
RE: Exclusive with SPRINT!
get a can of Vegemite and paint it to look like a Pre' and you can pretend.
it pays to live in a first world country!!!
RE: Exclusive with SPRINT!
Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze
No YOUTUBE?!!!?!!?
CAN it do YouTube?!
And how will people write APPS like a wordprocessor, etc based on CSS/XNL/ajax?!!? WTF?
RE: No YOUTUBE?!!!?!!?
RE: No YOUTUBE?!!!?!!?
But for god's sake, there's VEOH. It's the 2nd most popular video site - and it does FLASH too!
It looks like a nice executive toy...
This isn't anything I would really want, even if it does look pretty nice.
Strip it down, and put it in a WiFi PDA at half the price, and maybe I'll bite.
"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
Sprint....so sad
I want a new Palm to be offered through Verizon!
RE: Got that right
QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE
Launch on other carriers later? (like Verizon)
Pricing?
RE: QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE
Web-based? How much for that?
Why did TreoCentral edit out EVERY nonpositive comment from their streaming blog?
RE: QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE
And they'll get to the pricing games during the end of the cellular talk I'm sure. It's probably some ridiculous MSRP like $600-700 "but heavily discounted with a cell contract" like usual. Here's the guy that will talk you through the pricing: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/9/35b/450
RE: QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE
The the OFFICIAL Palm BLAHg refuses to publish my "Where's YouTube?!!!?" comment.
Hey - it's the Zodiac 3!!!
uh-ohs:
-No stylus ?!? (good luck with 12 years of legacy programs). Note to self: invest in capacitive stylus supplier.
-Emulator, yes?
-I *gotta* sync via the 'cloud' now?
-Has Palm learned their lesson about providing an adequate battery YET?
-Graffiti one now available?
-HOW GOOD IS THE BUILD QUALITY? IS THIS THING GOING TO LAST MUCH MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS UNLIKE THE TUNGSTEN SLIDER MODELS THAT SPONTANEOUSLY FELL APART?
Noble effort, Palm. Here's hoping against hope that for the first time in your history you aren't shining your "power users" on.
RE: Hey - it's the Zodiac 3!!!
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touch3g/overview.html
I the UI is designed to be manipulated with your fingers, the device doesn't really need a stylus. A stylus would allow for more precise control however, I guess you can forget about a mobile version of Photoshop. Also, I didn't see anything about backwards compatibility.
My T-Mobile G1 syncs "via the cloud" with GMail and other Google apps and it works quite well.
If there is one lesson that I've learned from here and from my experience moving from a Treo to the G1, it's that no device has truly adequate battery life for some people. The only thing to do is to make sure the battery is removable and carry a spare.
I doubt if Graffiti 1 will ever be available from Palm. Even though Xerox finally lost its patent suit against Palm, it was a long and costly process (beginning in 1997) and after it all Xerox was still grumbling about appealing the decision as late as 2005.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
Backwards Compatibility?
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Backwards Compatibility?
It's dead, Jim.
Not good enough. Switching to a new platform is a pain in the ass. This is a new platform. Users have a right to know how much KY Jelly it will require....
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Backwards Compatibility?
Unaswered
No LEGACY APP support? Garnet is now DEAD?
No syncing to the desktop AT ALL? - except MAYBE via CLOUD?
WTF is with that new Memo app?! Can it hold the ginormous Memos my LifeDrive Memos can?
NO stylus?
NO G1?
I need to see some videos. I still need convincing.
This could be a comeback for Palm, but right now I'm not sure it's for me.
RE: Unaswered
Maybe there's one under the removable battery...
Still, 8GB is decent enough to start with.
RE: Unaswered
RE: Unaswered
And I would sue Palm out of existence for it!
RE: Unaswered
And good news for Palm OS developers! There are a number of ways to migrate data from a an existing PDB file to your new WebOS app
Remains to be seen if local sync is supported or not.
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Hey Admin: Why do we have to keep two profiles?
RE: Unaswered
Applications will be developed using html5 which supports local storage access, unlike previous versions of html/javascript. Moreover applications will be able to use local features of the device (pim, location, media, etc) by accessing local web services. Basically that was the missing link in the first iPhone which only allowed webapps. It actually was never solved because native development was later introduced.
This is an interesting approach, provided that security for this services is tight: you don't want your phonebook to end up in a spam shop...
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Hey Admin: Why do we have to keep two profiles?
RE: Unaswered
FTS! I'm talking about PALM as the DEV: Calendar, Contacts, Memos. MAYBE even To-Dos!
Amazing...Vaporware?
The phone is kinda ugly though. Hope they make some better lookin ones, maybe even on Verizon or ATT.
My only concern is: will this ever exist? Memories of Cobalt and Foooleo still linger...
(Dont fooleo us again, palm!)
http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg
Palm Pre page unfinished on Palm's site
You know what bothers the living crap out of me?
When the Foleo was introded, they had FULL INFO up and LOTS of VIDEOS.
For this?
Hardly anything! WTF?
RE: Palm Pre page unfinished on Palm's site
Pat Horne
Initial Reactions
2. Did they talk about compatibility with current Palm applications? I missed it in the live blog. I can't imagine that the webOS will not be backward compatible.
3. I am looking forward to more pictures and hopefully some hands-on reviews.
David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
RE: Initial Reactions
RE: Initial Reactions
David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
RE: Palm Stock Price
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Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am!
Missing stuff, and couple comments
- Is the trackball also a push-button?
- How about a shot of the BOTTOM of the device? Palm.com gallery has top, but no bottom?
- Is keyboard backlit? If so, how do you toggle it??
- How about BUILT-IN voice dialing, voice launching, and voice control of media players?
- How about voice control via BlueTooth???
And the big one for me:
- I imagine the Pre won't be cheap, so I surely don't want this slick device to pop out of my hand in the first week I own it!
There is NO rubbery texture - heck, there is no texture at ALL on this thing!
How am I suppose to open/close this thing one handed while on the go, without seriously risking fatally dropping it?
With the slide-out keyboard, I don't expect to see a case I would want anytime soon.
Palm - Please provide a lanyard mount on the back top corner of this thing!
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Other than that, it looks pretty fabulous.
I suspect old apps will be incompatible:
- imagine trying to support the 5-way's binary switches via a trackball interface?
- even the menu button is gone from keyboard
I am sort of glad to see they added semi-colon, underscore, and especially the equal sign to the keyboard.
I do hope that VZW quickly regrets not signing up for the launch.
Hmm - wonder when VZW is ever going to open their system up to user owned phones like they claimed they were the other year??? Hate the idea of having to buy it unlocked at full price, but sure beats the Sprint service around here.
RE: Missing stuff, and couple comments
Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
We're on the threshold of potentially the best damn mobile platform on the planet, but it's very, very much a clean break from nearly everything the Palm OS epitomized in the past 12 years. I can deal with the learning curve and I can deal with the lack of backwards compatibility. But no removable storage, no Verizon and possibly no dekstop Hotsync capability leaves me out in the cold.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWvWUvfKrI
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
We're on the threshold of potentially the best damn mobile platform on the planet....
Hey, don't I recall someone saying that there would never be a new Palm OS? Hmm.....
;-)
"twrock is infamous around these parts" (from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
MikeCon - i think it's a very safe assumption that it can do youtube.
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
Mossberg thought the FOLEO could do YouTube.
I want to see a frikkin VIDEO of a Pre running YOUTUBE before I believe.
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
if FrankenGarnet can do youtube.....
my guess is that Pre will be able to do flash/youtube, but Kinoma hasn't finished the app yet (or whichever 3rd party is doing the app)
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
Kinoma can play some YouTube videos without stutter too much.
CorePlayer 1.2.4 can, in my experience, play them much better.
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