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Palm Event Liveblog

That time has come. PalmInfocenter is on the scene at CES in Las Vegas to bring you live coverage of Palm's grand "New-ness unveiling". We will be providing live updates from the Palm Press event at the Venetian and extensive coverage following the show.

This is the place to follow our liveblog so read on and enjoy.

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Glad you're back online

SeldomVisitor @ 1/8/2009 8:59:51 AM # Q
Nuff said.

RE: Glad you're back online
CADJedi @ 1/8/2009 12:16:56 PM # Q

OK, what about us "Palm Loyal" customers who have been with the platform for 10+ years?

Will old Palm OS apps run on the new OS?

What about the Palm Desktop?... does the new PRE work with the old Desktop or has the Desktop been overhauled too?

Can I easily migrate all my old data onto the new device?



RE: Glad you're back online
SeldomVisitor @ 1/8/2009 12:20:23 PM # Q
> ...Will old Palm OS apps run on the new OS? ...

Sometimes it's what they DON'T say that is important.

RE: Glad you're back online
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:25:05 PM # Q
...like "we are committed to gaining your business" or "you are going to have to throw away 12 years of application licensing if you want to have this iPhone clone."?

RE: Glad you're back online
CADJedi @ 1/8/2009 12:26:56 PM # Q

WHAT?!? no Verizon?

RE: Glad you're back online
malgeri @ 1/8/2009 12:48:33 PM # Q
I expected that if the new os was awesome my old apps wouldn't work. But I've got to have an easy way to transfer 7 years of data. If I can do that I'm sold. For those of you expecting backward compatability, I'm no expert but with a simple os like we've been using wouldn't it be difficult to add all the features we've been asking for and have the old apps work? Maybe an emulator of some sort but I don't know I'd want to take the performance hit.



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CES

Lv @ 1/8/2009 9:09:43 AM # Q
Cool! Glad you're back!

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Yea!!!!!!

joad @ 1/8/2009 9:22:07 AM # Q
C'mon, Silly Season!!! Double Down!

RE: Yea!!!!!!
maykinit @ 1/8/2009 9:41:24 AM # Q
What time is the highly anticipated showing of the wares?

What we DON'T want to hear about NOVA:
rolandstone @ 1/8/2009 9:46:50 AM # Q
Let's hope none of these phrases show up in the reviews about Nova

"Too little too late", "Weak", "Yawn Inducing", "Huh?", "Empty promises", "Underpowered", "Disappointment".

RE: Yea!!!!!!
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:25:43 PM # Q
...incompatible...

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Hiccups?!!?

mikecane @ 1/8/2009 9:49:52 AM # Q
For OVER TWO HOURS PIC was down geez. Now you're relying on the SAME DAMN SERVER for LIVEBLOGGING?!

I must find backups!

RE: Hiccups?!!?
hoodoo @ 1/8/2009 10:09:34 AM # Q
Just don't get hacked like Macrumorslive during the Apple keynote the other day!

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xkcd Contest Winner

mikecane @ 1/8/2009 9:51:29 AM # Q
Remember that dumb lameass xkcd contest Palm was running?

See the unfunny punchline and winner:
http://tinyurl.com/9xm5a2

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Awesome!

markgm @ 1/8/2009 10:05:27 AM # Q
Here's hoping it's something great.
RE: Awesome!
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:26:03 PM # Q
(deja vu)...

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Stop!

cstamper @ 1/8/2009 10:25:35 AM # Q
Stop commenting if you want to help reduce server load...

;-)

http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg

RE: Stop!
maykinit @ 1/8/2009 10:28:48 AM # Q
I sense a little negative energy here?

RE: Stop!
maykinit @ 1/8/2009 10:31:25 AM # Q
But seriously does anyone know what time Palm shows the magic? I for one have been waiting for this for a very long time. I am anticipating greatness.

RE: Stop!
mikecane @ 1/8/2009 10:32:49 AM # Q
2PM Eastern
1PM Central
12PM Mountain
11AM Western

RE: Stop!
maykinit @ 1/8/2009 10:36:59 AM # Q
I surfed the CES site and could find nothing.

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This is it!

ZireGuy31 @ 1/8/2009 10:36:17 AM # Q
So Excited!
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How many of you saw this and thought it was 'Nova'?

Poopie @ 1/8/2009 10:38:21 AM # Q
RE: How many of you saw this and thought it was 'Nova'?
maykinit @ 1/8/2009 10:42:18 AM # Q
NOT.. and REALLY glad that's not quatro

RE: How many of you saw this and thought it was 'Nova'?
bhartman34 @ 1/8/2009 10:46:32 AM # Q
It's some kinda Nova, but it's not even close to what we've been expecting from Palm. The Vista desktop is a dead giveaway...

It might be cool to log on to your desktop from a PDA-style device, but I don't see it as being all that useful. They're very different platforms, and I think navigating a desktop on a PDA would be like trying to thread a needle wearing boxing gloves.

RE: How many of you saw this and thought it was 'Nova'?
maykinit @ 1/8/2009 10:51:45 AM # Q
And methodology best left to Msft. Let all those folks walking around with computers in their pockets play with that sort of nonsense. You know, the folks with the "organizers" that have a hard time with alarms and such...

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Quivering with excitment

freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:00:44 AM # Q
That's me...
RE: Quivering with excitment
maykinit @ 1/8/2009 11:04:00 AM # Q
Freakout... with little luck, Palm is about to blow WinMo out of the water. Go Palm!

RE: Quivering with excitment
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:11:50 AM # Q
indeed. Not just WinMo. Here's hoping it rattles RIM's and Apple's cages too.
RE: Quivering with excitment
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:41:20 PM # Q
As long as this OS can handle Garnet applications, it's a winner. If it's a brand new OS that will rely on all new third-party applications, not so sure.

The whole point that people have supported and stuck with Palm so fervently over the years is 1) ease of use and 2) third-party application expandability. Other companies can leapfrog whatever interesting features this has pretty quickly, but nobody's been able to accommodate classic Palm OS applications very well. StyleTap on the WinceMob is about as close as they've come...

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whats with the bottles of booze?

ardiri @ 1/8/2009 11:01:26 AM # Q
anyone else but me noticed the bottles of booze in those pictures? damn.. its 11am.. could have told everyone what it was all about - but, now its live :P

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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:06:22 AM # Q
Maybe they think they'll help make for a more favourable reception....

BTW Aaron, you may need to make a new version of Lemmings for me if Nova ain't Garnet-compatible. ;)

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 -> Treo 650 -> Treo 680 -> Centro

RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
ardiri @ 1/8/2009 11:07:24 AM # Q
nova will ... (oops) - they'll announce it, you can wait :P

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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
ardiri @ 1/8/2009 11:08:53 AM # Q
i'm busy doing my iphone/ipod touch games - :) www.mobile1up.com i am sure you'll all remember them *g* as for supporting new platforms, its not a traditional PDA market anymore; more a web "data" driven market.. mobile games - may end up being mobile "widgets" :) we'll see..

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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:20:29 AM # Q
Sounds like webOS is going to hit those notes pretty well so far...
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
ardiri @ 1/8/2009 11:36:37 AM # Q
big question.. shipping date. :)

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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
freakout @ 1/8/2009 12:01:22 PM # Q
Bigger question: shipping date on GSM! :(
RE: whats with the bottles of booze?
freakout @ 1/8/2009 12:49:02 PM # Q
BTW, the Game 'n Watch revival is sweet. Bring it to webOS! :)

http://developer.palm.com/

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Liveblogging about new PalmOS from old PalmOS

freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:16:28 AM # Q
There's something fitting about that!

Hope you brought a portable keyboard for that 755p Kris...

RE: Liveblogging about new PalmOS from old PalmOS
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 11:45:06 AM # Q
** I have to admit, the whole thing is phenomenal but long-time Palm OS users are gonna have a huge learning curve ahead of 'em. but I think its for the best absolutelty
11:34:16 AM Kris **

Kris, have you lost your mind? Do you know how many years it has been since Palm OS users have had ANY learning curve? Good work guys.

Pat Horne

RE: Liveblogging about new PalmOS from old PalmOS
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:28:42 PM # Q
How BIG of a learning curve? As long as I can run my legacy Garnet applications then I'm open to the rest. If I can't, then this device does not seem to matter.

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Palm webOS? PRE?

freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:18:20 AM # Q
I'm sure they'll grow on me...
RE: Palm webOS? PRE?
zadillo @ 1/8/2009 11:20:33 AM # Q
How do you pronounce that with the accent above the E? I seem to recall that Treo is actually pronounced like Tray-o. Would that mean this is pronounced like "pray"? Surely you wouldn't name a product the "pray" or "prey"?

RE: Palm webOS? PRE?
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:22:09 AM # Q
Hahaha. good question! knowing Palm...

still, with the sounds of this hardware, who cares?! It sounds awesome!!!

RE: Palm webOS? PRE?
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 12:28:01 PM # Q
Where's the Windows Mobile version? :-( Now that sounds sickening.

Pat Horne
RE: Palm webOS? PRE?
Scott R @ 1/8/2009 12:29:46 PM # Q
I was wondering that as well. The Treo has the same line over the "e" and I believe that they've previously said that it was pronounced like a hard "a". So that would mean that this is pronounced "pray". Even if it was a hard "e" it would be a pretty bad name. The product itself looks great, though. Hard to believe that they couldn't have come up with a better name than "pre".

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There goes my PDA

dagwud @ 1/8/2009 11:20:21 AM # Q
This is looking nice. They had me at "replaceable battery."

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PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> Tx (2007)
RE: There goes my PDA
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:23:44 AM # Q
Damn straight! All those unfulfilled hardware dreams of the last few years are finally being realised.

Now show me some damn pictures!

RE: There goes my PDA
NuShrike @ 1/8/2009 11:27:51 AM # Q
Finally, somebody using the nice&fast next-gen OMAP processor. No more Qualcomm sluggish crap! Treo Pro was a shot of desperation! Now if only the OS pulls it out.

Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze
RE: There goes my PDA
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:31:06 AM # Q
It's sounding good so far... I shudder at the thought of the price though...
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More pictures please!! :-)

jeffhoward001 @ 1/8/2009 11:23:09 AM # Q
More pictures please!! :-)

Tungsten T -> Palm TX -> TX & Centro (Good combo so far!)
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You gotta be kidding me

markgm @ 1/8/2009 11:24:11 AM # Q
It won't work on T-mobile or ATT?!

RE: You gotta be kidding me
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:27:04 AM # Q
Or internationally?

Nooooooo!!!!!!!

ONe can only hope it won't be long... they did say 3G GSM was one of the reasons they needed to move to a new OS...

RE: You gotta be kidding me
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 11:38:53 AM # Q
Ditto boys and girls. No way that Palm has held it's destiny by the thread of only 1 carrier, most likely Sprint. This aint Apple's cash supply were talking about. Either Palm starts moving serious quantity ASAP or it's lights out.

No way they are going to forsake international markets for a long exclusive to Sprint, the 3rd largest US Carrier. My confidence is partially desperation based.
Also, ATT not getting on the Pro bandwagon would indicate they are waiting on WebOS. Or, they have a complete falling out with Palm altogether. I cannot bear the latter.

Good looking design. Shoulda went Roteo on the KB for landscape text tho. Still good.

Pat Horne

RE: You gotta be kidding me
AdamaDBrown @ 1/8/2009 11:47:11 AM # Q
Other devices maybe, but typically there's an exclusivity period on anything new that comes out. Figure 6 months on Sprint before it's available from anybody else.

Personally, it's not the way I'd have gone-I'd have tried to contract with AT&T so that I would have a GSM version for launch in other countries too, but AT&T might not have wanted to play. Either because they want to minimize iPhone competition or because they're trying to cut down on their supported platforms.

RE: You gotta be kidding me
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:48:03 AM # Q
Maybe Apple have a contract with ATT: Thou shalt not release anything that makes iPhone look like a toy
Sprint?
Gekko @ 1/8/2009 11:49:44 AM # Q

i missed it - did they mention Sprint?

RE: You gotta be kidding me
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 12:01:17 PM # Q
Sprint Exclusive? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!!! So the rest of the world yawns while Google & Apple move ahead? This is sickening. Great negotiating Palm. How long till AT&T?

Pat Horne
RE: You gotta be kidding me
NuShrike @ 1/8/2009 12:02:40 PM # Q
Palm just stabbed themselves in the gonads. Palm became successful because its destiny wasn't tied to anybody but the customers. Now they're a carrier bitch, a sinking regional one at that - they've got a boat anchor around their neck.

HVGA sucks too.

Poor execution Palm! Maybe Sprint can give you a leg up, but it's only a very short-term solution.

Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze

RE: You gotta be kidding me
JediLow @ 1/8/2009 12:02:52 PM # Q
I'm actually pretty stoked about this being on Sprint - Palm pre + a SERO plan...

RE: You gotta be kidding me
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 12:13:47 PM # Q
NO! Nor all over planet earth minus North America. I thot it was all about connections everywhere?!? This is sickening.

Pat Horne
RE: You gotta be kidding me
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:29:42 PM # Q
USA!! USA!! USA!!

RE: You gotta be kidding me
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 12:31:19 PM # Q
HVGA is fine. This looks great and the iPod Touch is fabulous with it as well. Offers a better viewing differentiation than the QVGA/VGA factor. More pixels is always welcome tho. I have a feeling that this will scale up up up nicely tho.

Pat Horne
RE: You gotta be kidding me
NuShrike @ 1/8/2009 1:38:16 PM # Q
HVGA is yesterday's news literally. No only has Sony PalmOS Clies had it years ago, but so does the T|X, the iPhone, G1. The real future is WVGA and Palm is still the lagging horse.

Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze
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PICTURES!

Lv @ 1/8/2009 11:25:01 AM # Q
Salivating here! BYE BYE CENTRO!

Sheeewwww!

RE: PICTURES!
jptx @ 1/8/2009 11:30:13 AM # Q
WOW- I'm impressed so far.

Intersting- this should have been billed as a huge paradigm shift, but I guess they got burned on that with Foleo.

PLease, be on Sprint!!!

RE: PICTURES!
jptx @ 1/8/2009 12:01:23 PM # Q
I think this why no one took the Treo Pro- it was just a temp thing-pulled together some wor that wasn't going naywhere... this is the new thing.

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Thanks!

ZireGuy31 @ 1/8/2009 11:26:07 AM # Q
Thanks for the reporting, but you should have used something like Scribblelive, so that we did not have to refresh the page every few mins. Thanks again!
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awesome

corsavan @ 1/8/2009 11:31:29 AM # Q
i was right to wait and not to upgrade to a treo pro. this looks great

RE: awesome
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:37:08 AM # Q
Indeed!! Oh man, can't believe we're gonna have to wait months for this...
RE: awesome
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 11:39:41 AM # Q
Pro? Hopefully that was ATTs thinking too?

Pat Horne
RE: awesome
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:46:20 AM # Q
fingers crossed
RE: awesome
corsavan @ 1/8/2009 12:10:25 PM # Q
they seem to have the pro available on vodafone where i am. Urr.. tho i guess i will have to wait for a uk version of the pre!

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learning curve is right

Gekko @ 1/8/2009 11:38:24 AM # Q

i feel like i'll have to go back and get a phd to run this puppy.

RE: learning curve is right
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:41:23 AM # Q
Ah, 'twas bound to happen sooner or later Gekk. It's looking pretty intelligently laid-out so far, though... gesture navigation is pretty intuitive after awhile. Try mouse gestures in Firefox sometime. I find myself swiping the mouse the go back a page on everything, now. It gets built into your muscle memory
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Threaded chat on steroids!!!!!

freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:43:37 AM # Q
Sweet! My favourite feature: now with more favouritey-ness!
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live videocast?

Gekko @ 1/8/2009 11:45:24 AM # Q

a live videocast would have been nice given that it's 2009. i guess CES has rules against this??? how about a 15 min delayed videocast? this reading text in the year 2009 feels like communicating via smoke signals or the telegraph.


RE: live videocast?
zadillo @ 1/8/2009 11:51:39 AM # Q
Pretty sure CES doesn't have rules against this - Microsoft had a live videocast from their CES presentation last night.

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Exclusive with SPRINT!

Gekko @ 1/8/2009 11:54:58 AM # Q

ahhh..it's good to be a Sprint customer!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: Exclusive with SPRINT!
freakout @ 1/8/2009 11:59:08 AM # Q
I didn't think it was possible, but now I hate you even more Gekko. :P

DAMN YOU, EXCLUSIVITY!

Still, every carrier is gonna want a piece of this thing. Can't be that long till it turns up elsewhere. I hope. Their previous exclusivity agreements only ever lasted a coupla months...

RE: Exclusive with SPRINT!
Gekko @ 1/8/2009 12:10:30 PM # Q

get a can of Vegemite and paint it to look like a Pre' and you can pretend.

it pays to live in a first world country!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew

RE: Exclusive with SPRINT!
NuShrike @ 1/8/2009 12:16:01 PM # Q
3rd rate carrier in a 3rd world country for tech. Good job Palm!

Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze
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No YOUTUBE?!!!?!!?

mikecane @ 1/8/2009 11:57:31 AM # Q
How the hell can they LEAVE OUT demoing YOUTUBE on it after the Foleo disaster?!

CAN it do YouTube?!

And how will people write APPS like a wordprocessor, etc based on CSS/XNL/ajax?!!? WTF?

RE: No YOUTUBE?!!!?!!?
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:32:01 PM # Q
My 755 does Youtube with Kinoma, sorta... It likes to hang on buffering. If Palm hasn't got basic popular sites working right on this new thing, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd like to be.

RE: No YOUTUBE?!!!?!!?
mikecane @ 1/8/2009 12:43:32 PM # Q
I understand if Google wouldn't play ball with YouTube.

But for god's sake, there's VEOH. It's the 2nd most popular video site - and it does FLASH too!

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It looks like a nice executive toy...

JonAcheson @ 1/8/2009 11:59:31 AM # Q
But I'm not looking for an expensive executive toy.

This isn't anything I would really want, even if it does look pretty nice.

Strip it down, and put it in a WiFi PDA at half the price, and maybe I'll bite.

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Sprint....so sad

mbgrayson @ 1/8/2009 12:01:50 PM # Q
I live in Montana. There is no Sprint network here. They can roam on other networks, but as nice as the Pre looks, it as useless to me as an iPhone.

I want a new Palm to be offered through Verizon!

RE: Sprint....so sad
Gekko @ 1/8/2009 12:12:08 PM # Q

move out of the sticks!

RE: Sprint....so sad
CFreymarc @ 1/8/2009 1:01:52 PM # Q
What is in Montana for you other than the Evil Knievel festival?
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Got that right

Lv @ 1/8/2009 12:13:50 PM # Q
I am not Jumping ship for Sprint, &*(@#&* NO!

RE: Got that right
Vortec57 @ 1/8/2009 12:23:03 PM # Q
I agree, I've been looking forward to this for months, cuz the old 650 is really starting to show it's age, but I guess I'm looking elsewhere. There's only one network I will not go to and that's SPRINT!

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QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE

dandrade @ 1/8/2009 12:16:09 PM # Q
Backward compatible with Garnet?

Launch on other carriers later? (like Verizon)

Pricing?



RE: QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE
SeldomVisitor @ 1/8/2009 12:18:24 PM # Q
Like - how much?

Web-based? How much for that?

Why did TreoCentral edit out EVERY nonpositive comment from their streaming blog?

RE: QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE
joad @ 1/8/2009 12:23:05 PM # Q
Yeah - if it breaks Garnet compatibility, we're totally screwed. After Palm has scared away so many developers the past few years there's little hope of getting a lot of the obscure but useful apps tweaked for a new OS.

And they'll get to the pricing games during the end of the cellular talk I'm sure. It's probably some ridiculous MSRP like $600-700 "but heavily discounted with a cell contract" like usual. Here's the guy that will talk you through the pricing: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/9/35b/450

RE: QUESTIONS FOR PALM on the PRE
mikecane @ 1/8/2009 12:42:04 PM # Q
>>>Why did TreoCentral edit out EVERY nonpositive comment from their streaming blog?

The the OFFICIAL Palm BLAHg refuses to publish my "Where's YouTube?!!!?" comment.

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Hey - it's the Zodiac 3!!!

joad @ 1/8/2009 12:17:22 PM # Q
Looks like an iPhone clone with a (usable) Treo keyboard grafted on. Hope there's more. Hope, hope hope. Pretty for sure.

uh-ohs:

-No stylus ?!? (good luck with 12 years of legacy programs). Note to self: invest in capacitive stylus supplier.

-Emulator, yes?

-I *gotta* sync via the 'cloud' now?

-Has Palm learned their lesson about providing an adequate battery YET?

-Graffiti one now available?

-HOW GOOD IS THE BUILD QUALITY? IS THIS THING GOING TO LAST MUCH MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS UNLIKE THE TUNGSTEN SLIDER MODELS THAT SPONTANEOUSLY FELL APART?

Noble effort, Palm. Here's hoping against hope that for the first time in your history you aren't shining your "power users" on.

RE: Hey - it's the Zodiac 3!!!
DarthRepublican @ 1/8/2009 12:54:03 PM # Q
Actually I think it resembles the HTC Touch 3G more closely with a usable keyboard grafted on:

http://www.htc.com/www/product/touch3g/overview.html

I the UI is designed to be manipulated with your fingers, the device doesn't really need a stylus. A stylus would allow for more precise control however, I guess you can forget about a mobile version of Photoshop. Also, I didn't see anything about backwards compatibility.

My T-Mobile G1 syncs "via the cloud" with GMail and other Google apps and it works quite well.

If there is one lesson that I've learned from here and from my experience moving from a Treo to the G1, it's that no device has truly adequate battery life for some people. The only thing to do is to make sure the battery is removable and carry a spare.

I doubt if Graffiti 1 will ever be available from Palm. Even though Xerox finally lost its patent suit against Palm, it was a long and costly process (beginning in 1997) and after it all Xerox was still grumbling about appealing the decision as late as 2005.

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

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Devs: Get your Palm WebOS Mojo on

mikecane @ 1/8/2009 12:19:00 PM # Q
Developer page updated:
http://developer.palm.com/

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Backwards Compatibility?

DarthRepublican @ 1/8/2009 12:19:50 PM # Q
Maybe I just rushed through the pictures and comments too fast but I didn't see anything about backwards compatibility with older PalmOS applications. Sure the presentation looked great but my T-Mobile G1 is pretty good too and I'm using it now. What incentive does Palm webOS offer me to switch back? Google synchronization would make it easy, does Palm webOS do Google synchronization? Google is mentioned as a partner so there is some hope. For that matter, the development model looks pretty similar to Android's, is there hope for compatibility or easy portability for Android applications? I still have all my contacts, data, and notes in my Palm TX, is there a way to import them into the "Palm Pre"? Ugh, what a name.

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Backwards Compatibility?
SeldomVisitor @ 1/8/2009 12:21:20 PM # Q
It's dead, Jim.

RE: Backwards Compatibility?
DarthRepublican @ 1/8/2009 1:01:49 PM # Q

It's dead, Jim.

Not good enough. Switching to a new platform is a pain in the ass. This is a new platform. Users have a right to know how much KY Jelly it will require....

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Backwards Compatibility?
CFreymarc @ 1/8/2009 1:06:48 PM # Q
Styletap to the rescue! If Palm is dropping that you can have Palm apps run emulated on a Palm!
RE: Backwards Compatibility?
BaalthazaaR @ 1/8/2009 1:31:45 PM # Q
Or DGOS.
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Unaswered

mikecane @ 1/8/2009 12:21:40 PM # Q
What about my LEGACY DATA?!!? How would I get this into a Pre?

No LEGACY APP support? Garnet is now DEAD?

No syncing to the desktop AT ALL? - except MAYBE via CLOUD?

WTF is with that new Memo app?! Can it hold the ginormous Memos my LifeDrive Memos can?

NO stylus?

NO G1?

I need to see some videos. I still need convincing.

This could be a comeback for Palm, but right now I'm not sure it's for me.

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Gekko @ 1/8/2009 12:24:20 PM # Q

your legacy data will be purged upon first sync!

you need a fresh start!!!

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freakout @ 1/8/2009 12:31:43 PM # Q
No external storage - micro/mini-SD card slot?

Maybe there's one under the removable battery...

Still, 8GB is decent enough to start with.

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Gekko @ 1/8/2009 12:35:40 PM # Q

microSD

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T_W @ 1/8/2009 12:35:53 PM # Q
Keyboard for landscape mode of operation?

Does it have two keyboards?

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joad @ 1/8/2009 12:36:57 PM # Q
I can live with that. Beats the iPhone's idiocy of permanent weak battery and NO exchangeable flash card.

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mikecane @ 1/8/2009 12:44:20 PM # Q
>>>your legacy data will be purged upon first sync!

And I would sue Palm out of existence for it!

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palmato @ 1/8/2009 12:44:36 PM # Q
From the developer site:
And good news for Palm OS developers! There are a number of ways to migrate data from a an existing PDB file to your new WebOS app

Remains to be seen if local sync is supported or not.



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palmato @ 1/8/2009 12:53:32 PM # Q
Also.

Applications will be developed using html5 which supports local storage access, unlike previous versions of html/javascript. Moreover applications will be able to use local features of the device (pim, location, media, etc) by accessing local web services. Basically that was the missing link in the first iPhone which only allowed webapps. It actually was never solved because native development was later introduced.

This is an interesting approach, provided that security for this services is tight: you don't want your phonebook to end up in a spam shop...


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mikecane @ 1/8/2009 12:54:09 PM # Q
>>>And good news for Palm OS developers!

FTS! I'm talking about PALM as the DEV: Calendar, Contacts, Memos. MAYBE even To-Dos!

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LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 1:11:23 PM # Q
Plenty of security. I'm sure the government is on it for us.

Pat Horne
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SeldomVisitor @ 1/8/2009 1:15:20 PM # Q
SDK?

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Amazing...Vaporware?

cstamper @ 1/8/2009 12:46:33 PM # Q
This looks great.

The phone is kinda ugly though. Hope they make some better lookin ones, maybe even on Verizon or ATT.

My only concern is: will this ever exist? Memories of Cobalt and Foooleo still linger...

(Dont fooleo us again, palm!)

http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg

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Palm Pre page unfinished on Palm's site

mikecane @ 1/8/2009 12:56:46 PM # Q
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/#tab1

You know what bothers the living crap out of me?

When the Foleo was introded, they had FULL INFO up and LOTS of VIDEOS.

For this?

Hardly anything! WTF?

RE: Palm Pre page unfinished on Palm's site
LiveFaith @ 1/8/2009 1:08:51 PM # Q
Not 30days (well never) out this time. Probably 90 days+

Pat Horne
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Initial Reactions

Caspian @ 1/8/2009 1:21:12 PM # Q
1. Right ingredients, wrong carrier. I'm on Verizon and it stinks to think that it could be a year before they carry it, if they carry it at all. But, WiFi, GPS and all that other stuff will be great if Verizon picks it up and doesn't disable them. Maybe Palm will offer a phone-free version. That isn't consistent with their current position that they will offer no new handhelds, but they could take a page from the Apple iPod Touch play book.

2. Did they talk about compatibility with current Palm applications? I missed it in the live blog. I can't imagine that the webOS will not be backward compatible.

3. I am looking forward to more pictures and hopefully some hands-on reviews.

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X

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BaalthazaaR @ 1/8/2009 1:35:02 PM # Q
Did they say no new handhelds? or no new PDAs? If the latter, the could release the "EDA" like the one that that Israeli firm announced this week.
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Caspian @ 1/8/2009 3:03:17 PM # Q
What's and "EDA"?

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
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Palm Stock Price

ozz @ 1/8/2009 1:38:15 PM # Q
Palm's stock is up 34% currently. Good news.
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freakout @ 1/8/2009 1:46:39 PM # Q
Unless you were shorting! lol
RE: Palm Stock Price
ozz @ 1/8/2009 1:58:45 PM # Q
Actually, I think now is a good time to buy some Palm stock (obviously, others do too).

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Missing stuff, and couple comments

ReadOnly @ 1/8/2009 2:36:12 PM # Q
- Old apps - Limitations or complete incompatibility?

- Is the trackball also a push-button?

- How about a shot of the BOTTOM of the device? Palm.com gallery has top, but no bottom?

- Is keyboard backlit? If so, how do you toggle it??

- How about BUILT-IN voice dialing, voice launching, and voice control of media players?

- How about voice control via BlueTooth???

And the big one for me:

- I imagine the Pre won't be cheap, so I surely don't want this slick device to pop out of my hand in the first week I own it!
There is NO rubbery texture - heck, there is no texture at ALL on this thing!
How am I suppose to open/close this thing one handed while on the go, without seriously risking fatally dropping it?
With the slide-out keyboard, I don't expect to see a case I would want anytime soon.

Palm - Please provide a lanyard mount on the back top corner of this thing!

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Other than that, it looks pretty fabulous.

I suspect old apps will be incompatible:
- imagine trying to support the 5-way's binary switches via a trackball interface?
- even the menu button is gone from keyboard

I am sort of glad to see they added semi-colon, underscore, and especially the equal sign to the keyboard.

I do hope that VZW quickly regrets not signing up for the launch.

Hmm - wonder when VZW is ever going to open their system up to user owned phones like they claimed they were the other year??? Hate the idea of having to buy it unlocked at full price, but sure beats the Sprint service around here.

RE: Missing stuff, and couple comments
SeldomVisitor @ 1/8/2009 3:29:29 PM # Q
Palm has said outright that there is no PalmOS compatability at this time.


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Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time

hkklife @ 1/8/2009 3:09:16 PM # Q
We will post some initial impressions shortly, then will regroup and post video from earlier and our detailed impressions and hands-on report. Fear not, I will give it an OH SO THOROUGH fondling!!


We're on the threshold of potentially the best damn mobile platform on the planet, but it's very, very much a clean break from nearly everything the Palm OS epitomized in the past 12 years. I can deal with the learning curve and I can deal with the lack of backwards compatibility. But no removable storage, no Verizon and possibly no dekstop Hotsync capability leaves me out in the cold.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

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Gekko @ 1/8/2009 3:45:05 PM # Q
>But no removable storage, no Verizon and possibly no dekstop Hotsync capability leaves me out in the cold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWvWUvfKrI


RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
mikecane @ 1/8/2009 3:45:47 PM # Q
Doubt you'll see this in time, but dammit: YouTube!

RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
twrock @ 1/8/2009 3:46:41 PM # Q
We're on the threshold of potentially the best damn mobile platform on the planet....

Hey, don't I recall someone saying that there would never be a new Palm OS? Hmm.....
;-)


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(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
Gekko @ 1/8/2009 3:49:56 PM # Q

MikeCon - i think it's a very safe assumption that it can do youtube.

RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
mikecane @ 1/8/2009 5:34:33 PM # Q
Assume NOTHING. WTF has happened to you, Gekko, giving Palm the benefit of the doubt?

Mossberg thought the FOLEO could do YouTube.

I want to see a frikkin VIDEO of a Pre running YOUTUBE before I believe.

RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
Gekko @ 1/8/2009 5:41:29 PM # Q

if FrankenGarnet can do youtube.....

my guess is that Pre will be able to do flash/youtube, but Kinoma hasn't finished the app yet (or whichever 3rd party is doing the app)

RE: Ryan and I are heading to meet with Palm for hands-on time
ReadOnly @ 1/8/2009 6:53:33 PM # Q
On Treo 755p:
Kinoma can play some YouTube videos without stutter too much.
CorePlayer 1.2.4 can, in my experience, play them much better.

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