Comments on: Palm Pixi Announced
It's official: Palm has announced their second webOS device: the "strikingly thin" Palm Pixi. Another Sprint exclusive, the Pixi will feature - in addition to the usual webOS Synergy software goodness - EVDO Rev. A, a 2.63-inch 320x400 TFT multi-touch screen, an exposed QWERTY keyboard, GPS, 2-megapixel camera with flash, 3.5mm headphone jack, 8GB of internal storage (contrary to earlier rumors), and a Qualcomm MSM7627 chipset.
But that's not all: Pixi will also offer "fashionable personalization options". Rather than simply offer the phone in a variety of colors, as with it's predecessor, the Centro, the Pixi will have available numbered, limited-edition back covers, the first collection of which can be viewed here. The press release also states that Pixi will debut with a brand-new native Facebook application.
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RE: Hopefully now they will drop the Centro price from $399
GSM unlocked Centro without contract = $199.
RE: I want one now!
RE: I want one now!
It wouldn't surprise me if Palm had trouble with Telstra; Pre is the sort of device that demands an unlimited data plan and Telstra don't have anything even close to resembling that...
Looks like we'll be stuck importing unlocked European Pres - provided that they actually come that way...
I write here sometimes.
RE: I want one now!
RE: I want one now!
why are you being such a little bitch?
1. virtual keyboard works great for millions.
2. you don't need to use iTunes.
3. WTF do you need a removable battery?
RE: I want one now!
As for Telstra delays - I don't like the sound of that. I really wanted a new toy. Oh well. I guess I'd better be kinder to my 680.
RE: I want one now!
why are you being such a little bitch?
He's doing an impression of you when you tried the Palm Pre and couldn't figure out the gestures?
1. virtual keyboard works great for millions.
And distilled urine tastes great for the millions who call it beer....
3. WTF do you need a removable battery?
And you call yourself a power user. Anybody who really bangs on their phone knows that heavy talking, music, video, and internet use kills the battery. The bottom line is that I left home for work at 8AM today and didn't get back until 10PM. So yeah, keeping a spare battery tucked away in my pocket sounds like a good idea.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: I want one now!
why are you being such a little bitch?
LOL. Fast-forward to 0:25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Dw734nfFA
1. virtual keyboard works great for millions.
So do the Jonas Brothers. But they ain't my cup o' tea. You can't touch-type on a virtual keyboard, they eat up valuable screen real-estate and you constantly get thumb-grease everywhere. And I don't know about those millions, but when I have something to say I don't need some fortune-telling software to try and second-guess what I'm typing.
Virtual keyboards suck.
2. you don't need to use iTunes.
For software updates and backing up: yes, you do. (AFAIK) As for media, you don't have to use iTunes - there are plugins for Winamp, for example - but the other solutions are buggy and require tweaking that is in my view completely unnecessary. My hardware should sync with whatever I want it to, not whatever the manufacturer wants me to.
3. WTF do you need a removable battery?
'cause batteries all over the consumer electronics landscape suck, and I do not fancy sending my phone off to Apple for a replacement when it starts to lose charge.
Plus, with a removable battery I have the option of both carrying a spare and upgrading to a higher-capacity one should I feel the need to. The only battery upgrade option with the iPhone is a bulky external case that completely ruins the lovely sleek chassis.
iPhone ain't for me.
I write here sometimes.
RE: I want one now!
Every single instance.
RE: I want one now!
I remember using a keyboard on my old NX. It was backlit, and the keys were spaced apart well. I did plenty of typing on it, too. But somehow, I'm still just as fast on this virtual keyboard. I haven't made a PIC comment from my computer in years.
But look at the alternative. In order to incorporate a physical keyboard, you need some sort of slider. It is usually more fragile, and in the Pre's case, it has an awkward Oreo effect. Or in the case of the candybar Centro or Pixi, you either get an unbareably tiny screen, or the device is awkwardly shaped. The Pixi has a combination of both.
RE: I want one now!
Don't tell Palm that!
RE: I want one now!
Do people REALLY touch type on their phones!?
I've been doing it on my Treos and Centro for ages. Perhaps the majority don't, but I really couldn't care less about the majority. My own personal preference is a physical keyboard, and I think even the best virtuals will never be as good without tactile feedback.
bosco:
Also, I've never seen anyone carrying a spare battery or swapping one out. Not once. Ever. Who has all of this room in their pockets for an awkward battery? I get annoyed enough with keys and a wallet.
When I upgraded my Treo 680 battery, I'd keep the stock one charged in the cradle and chuck it in the glovebox of my car or my jacket pocket whenever I knew I wouldn't be coming home for the night. It's not something I carried around all the time, but when I wanted that safety net it was there for me.
As for the Oreo, most forum reports (yeah, I know, hardly reliable) are saying that later builds of the Pre are made of much sterner stuff. And Pixi "unbearably" small? S'pose it depends on what you're comparing it to. Compared to my Centro it's huuuuuuuge. Awkwardly shaped? I don't get that. It's about the same height as the 3GS and thinner: http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/25417-Palm-Pre-vs-iPhone-3GS-vs-Palm-Pixi
(That said, I'd still rather a Pre.)
This is all IMO, of course YMMV. But I was just trying to get the point across to Gekko that the iPhone simply doesn't meet my own personal requirements, and likely never will. Which is a shame, 'cause I actually do quite like the iPhone OS.
RE: I want one now!
Virtual keyboards suck.
Well, as a current owner of a HTC Tytn II I find there are times when it's physical keyboard doesn't work even though you've depressed the key. In contrast you get the visual feedback of which key was depressed on the iPhone's virtual keyboard.
'cause batteries all over the consumer electronics landscape suck
I've never seen anyone carrying a spare battery or swapping one out
Well bosco, you now know someone who does. Tim's right, even Sprint's exec has mentioned it recently: battery technology has not advanced at the same rate as other electronics. The battery with my HTC lasts barely a day so an extra battery is necessary. However I've found the universal battery with solar charger to be useful and a solution which works whether or not your mobile has a removable battery.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein
RE: I want one now!
Where do you carry your spare battery?
RE: I want one now!
Where do you carry your spare battery?
Well there are pros and cons to everything. I have both a removable battery for the Tytn II and a universal external battery back with built-in solar charger.
The advantage to the removable battery is it's small enough to carry in the pocket. The disadvantage is that you need an extra battery charger at home or work for it to be the best solution.
The advantages of the external battery pack is that you can use it with any phone, you can charge on the go and use the phone whilst charging. The disadvantages are that it's not really pocketable, I have to carry it in the briefcase or laptop bag, and you also need to bring the charging cables with you.
By the way kudos to Palm for creating and shipping the Palm Pre.
Does anyone remember something about Access Linux Powered devices shipping in 2009?
Does anyone even remember Access?
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein
RE: I want one now!
SeldomVisitor wrote:
I can imagine carrying a spare battery in a briefcase (or purse); I cannot imagine carrying a spare battery in a pocket.Where do you carry your spare battery?
You're kidding right? My Pre's battery is a tiny box that fits into my jeans' little fifth change pocket with plenty of room to spare. (That's part of the reason why I need to carry a spare in the first place!) When I'm not wearing jeans, I'm wearing cargo pants which come with two or three extra pockets. And I usually carry a small briefcase/man bag for my netbook -- it also has extra pockets for a spare battery. Even on the rare occasions that I have to wear a suit, I've yet to wear one that doesn't have pockets.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: I want one now!
ChiA wrote:
The advantages of the external battery pack is that you can use it with any phone, you can charge on the go and use the phone whilst charging. The disadvantages are that it's not really pocketable, I have to carry it in the briefcase or laptop bag, and you also need to bring the charging cables with you.By the way kudos to Palm for creating and shipping the Palm Pre.
Does anyone remember something about Access Linux Powered devices shipping in 2009?
Does anyone even remember Access?
That's your cue, Gekko post that Youtube video of the ACCESS demo from 2007!
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: I want one now!
Lol!
RE: I want one now!
Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?
RE: I want one now!
SeldomVisitor wrote:
There's something totally ironic about carrying an all-in-one "converged device" because it's "better" than having to carry separate phone and PDA, then having to carry a second battery for it to make it useful.
That's a pretty radical spin on my earlier post. My Pre is perfectly useful for me for the ten or so hours that it's battery lasts. The spare battery just makes it useful for a longer time....
And as twrock points out, I've never been a big fan of convergence. I still carry an iPod Classic because no other device except for some of the more insanely expensive and clunky Archos PMPs can match its storage capacity (I have filled about 90 of its 160 GBs). I also still carry around my T-Mobile G1 because I like playing around with Android apps.
And btw, I must point out that the spare battery for my Pre is by far lighter than any phone or PDA. That's why people who want convergence will still carry a spare battery. It lightens their load while simplifying their arsenal of gadgetry.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: I want one now!
On another note, my almost four year old TX has still got a decent battery. I really wish the replacement battery guys sold that good of a battery. (Note: I highly recommend AGAINST the purchase of Cameron Sino batteries.)
Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?
No Wifi....
I don't think so.
Next, please.
Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Nokia 9300 (can't sync notes!!) -> Treo 650 (awesome) -> hw6915 (almost perfect) -> Nokia E51 (un/impressive) -> Touch Enhanced (nice!) -> Samsung 780 (mousepad woes) -> HTC S740 (stellar)
RE: No Wifi....
But it is a dealbreaker for me, sadly. "Unlimited data" for mobiles is just a laughable dream here in Oz.
Still, it does look very nice. Amazingly thin. Thinner than the 3GS, even. I even like the covers (the link for which appears to have been borked). Red Barn is nice: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pixi/artist.html
RE: No Wifi....
I won't even comment. Just go back 3 or 4 years and look at all the the Treo 650, Treo 700, Treo 680, Treo 755, Centro, and T5 threads of utter angst and displeasure. Way to keep your legacy intact Palm.
Pat Horne
RE: No Wifi....
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein
No D-Pad?
while testing the iPhone, i never missed having a D-Pad. but while using the Pre/WebOS, the absence of a D-Pad was constantly painful and frustrating. Gestures are a gimmick that backfires and adds to the frustration while holding the device.
Bad timing!
Should have waited for the Xmas season but -- nooo! -- you had to try to one up the iPod launch this week. Fail!
RE: Bad timing!
According to folks within Palm, the Pixi launch window was decided to coincide with Fashion Week long before Apple announced their event. Palm are co-sponsoring Fashion Week so it makes sense.
RE: Bad timing!
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
Marry, Boff, Kill
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Bad timing!
I've also been pleasantly surprised with Sprint which used to absolutely suck in the Chicago area but has improved considerably. Still, I wish the cheaper Everything Plan had more than 450 minutes. The T-Mobile Plan for my G1 is similarly priced to that of my Sprint plan has 1000 minutes.
I get about ten to twelve hours of battery life when I don't recharge but I have two Touchstone chargers and carry a spare battery, so I don't worry about running out of juice. I also use My Tether to connect my Pre to my netbook, an Acer Aspire One to surf the 'net. (I'm planning on replacing it with the new Asus EEEPC 1005HA, which I've upgraded to 2GB of RAM and on which I am hoping to install Windows 7. I've had trouble getting my other Windows 7 laptops to work with My Tether, so I'm still wondering if I should go there or not.) This has the side-effect of recharging the Pre. I've tethered my Pre to my netbook with as little as 12% charge remaining and an hour later, it's up to 20%.
Between App Catalog and homebrew apps, I'm running about fifty apps on it besides the half-dozen or so PalmOS apps I have in Classic. As a result, I'm bumping up against a limit that Palm inadvertantly placed on the number of apps which can run on the Pre. Preware can work around this limit, so it's likely to be an easy fix. So far my favorite apps are: Twee, the homebrew Twitter client, Classic, Switcharoo (a homebrew app which rotates my wallpaper), Google Maps, and the Web browser. While the Calendar lacks the sophistication of its PalmOS counterpart, I've found its ability to subscribe to multiple Calendars invaluable.
Unfortunately there is no real killer app for the Pre yet but I like the power and sophistication of webOS and the way everything seems to "flow" comfortably when moving from one app to another. It's not so much the multi-tasking. My G1 has multi-tasking but it's dog slow even when it's running no apps. But rather it's the way Palm has implemented it with the card interface and wave launcher that make it feel so natural to me. The apps that the Pre does have look good and run well.
The Pre isn't perfect. Sometimes it lags and copy and paste is poorly implemented. But every complex smartphone lags and the Pre lags less than most of the smartphones I've tried. And Palm has done a good job of improving it with updates. Every update makes my Pre a little faster and the 1.1 update eliminated most of my biggest complaints. (You should have hung on to your Pre Gekko, Palm has killed most of the bugs that you complained about the most when you returned it after what? Three days?)
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Bad timing!
Nice hands on long-term eval. I'm waiting on the ATT Pre and this gives a good sense of everyday use. The deal is kiled with Pixi due to WiFi in the year 2009.
I am a bit concerned about the Calendar not being very robust. What are you referring to? The Calendar / Contacts on my 680 are absolutely mission critical. Without any strong options in the App Catalog yet, that has me a bit concerned.
** I'm planning on replacing it with the new Asus EEEPC 1005HA, which I've upgraded to 2GB of RAM ** Great choice of hardware. I just opted for the 1008 (ultra-thin w/ weaker battery) 2 weeks ago. Love it. My daughter got the 1005HA-P and its a bit fatter, but has ridiculous battery life. Make sure to get the "-P" version instead of the -V or -H. The "-P" has BT, 1.3mp webcam, and bigger cell. Took me a while to figure all this out from online reviews etc. Fabulous machines too.
I can just see Palm trying to push 416mhz ARM based Foleos on this market with devices like Asus is putting out. Comical!
Pat Horne
RE: Bad timing!
My Pre Review
1. Sound Quality of Phone - Awful hissing and humming in background.
2. i like the Contacts, Calendar PIMs of the old PalmOS. it just works. the webOS PIMs aren't as clean, simple, intuitive, and easy as PalmOS.
3. keyboard - while the keyboard isn't smaller than Centro, it is more uncomfortable to use. why? the end of the keyboard is sharp and it slices at my hand sometimes when i try to type. the sides are sharp too. also, the whole keyboard piece (that bottom of the phone) is thin and hard to hold vs. a candy bar. and the device is not balance properly when open. i always feel like i need two hands to use it. unwieldy and flimsy.
4. slider - i'm tired of opening an closing it to get at the keyboard.
5. responsiveness consistency unpredictability of WebOS - it didn't always do what i wanted it to do. i'd press a button and sometimes it would respond and other times not. Centro PalmOS might be simple but it JUST WORKED. WebOS has a mind of its own. OS gets shaky and chuggy and wobbly and it scares me holding my data. it was also unpredictable - many times doing a different thing for the same action.
6. battery life sucked. abysmal. all of this pushing and pulling and synergizing has a price.
7. multitasking - what multitasking? saving and icon to be brought up later is not multitasking! on my old Centro i can listen to STREAMING RADIO like Pockettunes while i surf the web or do email. i can't stream Sprint TV/Radio and do something else on the Pre. havent tried Pandora but i want live radio stations! and i opened up like 5 basic cards (3 were PIM) and it made me shut them down WTF? jumping back and forth from card to card with a hefty elay is not fun multitasking for me.
8. WindowsMedia Streaming - i like bloomberg radio etc. - can't stream it on PRE! Centro had no problem with WMA streams!
9. Synergy - i don't like it. i want a CENTRALIZED MERGED location for my data and the ability to move it whereever i want. with Pre/WebOS - in EAS my data is trapped in that EAS work server account. if i leave my employer, i better TRY to back up the Outlook data from the Outlook side in the nick of time. because once i'm disconnected from that server - the data is trapped in the PRE and no way to get it out. i don't like this. with Centro, all i have to do is change the EAS settings to a new server and sync and i'm good to go. can't do that with PRE. it puts my data in a locked proprietary silo that i can't get at.
10. Google Calendar/Contacts - suck.
11. Lack of SD Card - sucks. i want to Auto Backup my data to SD.
12. flimsy/clumsy USB door - yeah i can use touchstone to charge it but what about in the car?
13. No 5 Way - i miss that easy simple navigation. poking around with my finger is inaccurate and clumsy.
14. No "Select All" in Copy/Cut/Paste. sorry that Orange/Shift Key dance doesn't cut it.
15. Gesture area - annoying. holding the device i hit it all the time and do stuff and launch stuff i dont want to.
16. intermittent charging failure is a problem. i can't have a device that sometimes wants to charge and sometimes doesn't. not sure if this is a software or hardware bug but i'm tired of trying to track it down. my phone is my lifeline and i cant have a phone that sometimes wants to charge and sometimes doesn't.
17. Browser - seems great at first but the font is so small - in tired of constantly pinching and squeezing.
RE: Bad timing!
The calendar on the Pre is very simple. Just three views: day, week, and month. No agenda view and no today screen. And no floating events. As a long time Datebk user, I miss this feature most of all. Having said that, I like being able to subscribe to public calendars for holidays and so forth as well as being able to sync to the Google calendars of friends and co-workers. This was a feature that never made it into the old PalmOS calendar and I'm glad to have it.
Also, you underestimate Palm. They'd at least stick the Pre's 600 Mhz TI processor in any Foleo II. That'll show Asus and their 1.66 GHz Atom processor-based netbooks. Having said that, I pretty much bought the 1005HA for the keyboard and battery life. My Acer Aspire One is plenty capable but the keyboard is cramped and 5.5 hours of battery life just isn't enough for my needs. If Palm could come out with a stand-alone netbook with Documents to Go, a good webkit-based browser, and outrageous battery life -- I'm talking on the order of 24 hours -- they just might
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Bad timing!
1. I've never noticed any hissing and humming. Maybe Sprint is just better in Chicago than in your area? The volume is a little softer than I'd like but then so is the volume my T-Mobile G1. And my Treo 680. I think that years of listening to rock & roll on my iPod is making me go deaf.
3. I've never understood the claims that people are cutting their hands while typing on the Pre. How the hell do you people type? My hands curve comfortably around the Pre's keyboard and no part of them ever goes near the end of the keyboard. And I have no problem using it one-handed. I guess it's just another case of different strokes for different folks. Maybe that's what Willis was talkin' about.
4. I thought I'd get tired of opening the slider too. So far it hasn't happened and I did get tired fairly quickly of opening my T-Mobile G1's slider. I think that it's the narrow portrait form factor. Years of Treo usage has conditioned me to be comfortable with the Pre. I can open the slider with one hand and start typing away one-handed. I'm addicted to Universal Search. Just the other day I had to do search for local contractors for a job that needed to get done and I actually reached for my Pre and Google Maps first despite being surrounded by two desktop computers and my netbook.
5. Sucks to be you. webOS has been updated three times since you returned your Pre and it gets faster with every update.
6. My T-Mobile G1's battery life sucked worse and after proper conditioning, my Pre's battery now rivals that of my old Treo 680. I have two Touchstone docks and I always carry a spare.
7,8. Is that why you spent a year begging people to check your Bloomberg feed every time a streaming app came out for the PalmOS because you couldn't find one that worked Kinoma on your Centro until a few months ago? The Pre and webOS are barely three months old. The apps will come.
12. http://bit.ly/yFY6B
http://www.ismashphone.com/2009/06/baby-you-can-drive-my-pre-is-this-the-future-of-smartphone-car-charging.html
14. Sucks to be you. Select All is expected to be one of the enhancements on version 1.2 of webOS.
15. I got used to the gesture are fairly quickly. I rarely hit stuff I don't mean to hit.
16. I've never encountered this except when I lay my Pre down too low on the Touchstone charger and it's pretty easy to tell when this happens because the Pre starts ringing as it repeatedly connects and disconnects from the charger.
17. I just turn it on its side, the font is must bigger in landscape mode. Pinching and squeezing? Real Pre-verts double tap.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Bad timing!
DarthRepublican wrote:
Tim,The calendar on the Pre is very simple. Just three views: day, week, and month. No agenda view and no today screen. And no floating events. As a long time Datebk user, I miss this feature most of all. Having said that, I like being able to subscribe to public calendars for holidays and so forth as well as being able to sync to the Google calendars of friends and co-workers. This was a feature that never made it into the old PalmOS calendar and I'm glad to have it.
Also, you underestimate Palm. They'd at least stick the Pre's 600 Mhz TI processor in any Foleo II. That'll show Asus and their 1.66 GHz Atom processor-based netbooks. Having said that, I pretty much bought the 1005HA for the keyboard and battery life. My Acer Aspire One is plenty capable but the keyboard is cramped and 5.5 hours of battery life just isn't enough for my needs. If Palm could come out with a reasonably specced stand-alone netbook with Documents to Go, a good webkit-based browser, and outrageous battery life -- I'm talking on the order of 24 hours -- they just might
...make a splash in the netbook arena. Of course with Google's ChromeOS looming on the horizon it may already be too late for a Foleo II.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Bad timing!
Tim Carroll wrote:
^^ (Tim wonders is DarthRepublican is confusing him with someone else. ;-) )
Sorry, I composed that response while on a city bus with my netbook tethered to my Pre. I might have been a little distracted.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
so a quick comparison of the specs on Palm's site
-2.63" screen vs. 3.1"
-320x400 screen vs. 320x480
-2 megapixel camera vs. 3 megapixel
-width 55mm vs. 59.5mm
-height 111mm vs. 100.5mm
-thickness 10.85mm vs. 16.95mm
-weight 99.5 grams vs. 135 grams
Unmentioned on the Pixi spec sheet (but on the Pre's) are WiFi, USB mass storage support, and ... physical QWERTY keyboard. Hopefully these are all errant omissions (as obviously the keyboard is).
interesting
Does this have bluetooth?
I'd rather they made the Pixi a candy bar with just an onscreen keyboard.
Still, any guesses on what this will retail for?
$49, $99, or $129???
RE: interesting
Palm doesn't need another Centro.
RE: interesting
With the Pre and the Pixi, Palm will have two devices with different price points and configurations. The Pre seems more of a business phone and the Pixi more of a consumer phone.
RE: interesting
Palm doesn't need another Centro.
RE: interesting
it's a strategy similar to what apple did with the iPod touch.
RE: interesting
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?
RE: interesting
Both of you guys should realize by now that Palm doesn't care about its developers (other than a handful of "big" heavy hitters such as Dataviz, Normsoft, Chapura, Pandora etc) or its end-user customers (you & me). Their primary "customer" in every sense of the word is Sprint. This short-signed, isolationist symbiotic relationship is increasingly making Palm the butt of many jokes and much scorn outside the USA. Of course, all of this will be rendered moot when Palm ends up being acquired in the next 3-6 months.
Now you're just getting lazy, copying and pasting your old complaints and predictions. (At least you remembered to leave out the part where you insist that Nova doesn't exist, there is no follow-on to Garnet, and the next Palm device will be a mildly refreshed Centro.) I think that Palm's behavior since the Pre launch, regularly updating webOS and allowing the hombrew community to blossom would seem to imply that Palm has turned over a new leaf with regards to both its customers and developers.
As for Sprint being Palm's primary customer, well it's just naive to pretend that it is any different for any other handset maker. That's the way it's always been and likely the way it will always be.
The last one is just embarrassing. The Palm will go bankrupt/be bought out in six months meme is at least ten years old. And it ignores the fact that sometimes it's a good thing when a company gets acquired. Remember when Palm bought Handspring? A great deal for both companies. Palm got the Treo 600 and its original founders back and a new lease on life. So being bought wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for Palm, not that I think it's likely now that they are finally getting their act together.
You have to squint pretty hard to find the dark clouds in Palm's sky these days. Sure, they've simplified their OS and hardware a bit more than some people might like but they are also doing a good job of updating from their new baseline. So go take your 755p and start working on some new material. While it's important to be skeptical, there's a point where recycling the same old complaints and conspiracy theories just looks bad. You need to be Jon Stewart, speaking the truth to power. Right now you're just Glenn Beck crying hysterically.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
No Center Button
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
pixie
Marketing still sucks
How can anyone over the age of 12 take that email signature seriously?
RE: Marketing still sucks
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Marketing still sucks
When I was 13+ I would have never wanted a phone called 'pixi'.
FAIL
RE: Marketing still sucks
The Pixi, huh? You do know you can never own a phone called Pixi, right?
However, he underestimates my ability to withstand scorn! My Treo 270's massive size made me a frequent target when everyone else was carrying small, sexy dumbphones. But I had a Gaydar. Win.
Also, does anyone really keep those "sent from my xxx" email sigs? I deliberately changed mine to a generic "Sent from my mobile phone" because I didn't want my personal emails becoming an extension of Palm's marketing department. It's like that great joke from that infamous Onion vid:
"I like the way the email automatically says "Sent from a Macbook Wheel". That way people know you have one."
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary
RE: Marketing still sucks
Pixi
http://blog.palm.com/palm/images/2007/10/01/img_00181.jpg
I guess somebody has to carry the torch now that Michael Jackson is gone....
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Marketing still sucks
Gekko, you should be banned for repeatedly exposing us to that picture.
Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?
Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
I don't care that it's called the Pixi. Is GOOGLE such a manly-man name? APPLE -- which once had a rainbow logo?
Gekko, you in or not? Time to get a REAL phone OS. *snark*
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
no way on Pixi. i'm no fan of webOS, Gestures, Synergy, and all of that garbage. build quality is probably cheap and awful too - just like Pre. the only plus is that there is no Slider.
i'll be hanging onto my Garnet Centro for at least another 9-12 months and then reevaluate. then we'll see what Sprint is offering then. maybe WinMob 7.0 or iPhone or some Android device. or maybe i'll get another Centro if they're still around.
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
Maybe you remember seeing one of the prototype photos that had the awful blue trimming.
Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
twrock wrote:
Mike, I don't want one either, but I wouldn't call the Cliq ugly: http://tinyurl.com/owvjtg
Maybe you remember seeing one of the prototype photos that had the awful blue trimming.
Meh, to me it looks like the HTC Touch Pro2's plain Jane sister. http://www.htc.com/us/product/touchpro2sprint/overview.html Now that's a device I'd like to see running Android.
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
But you might get your wish. I wouldn't put it past HTC to drop Android in any of their devices. I mean, look at the options: http://www.htc.com/us/product.aspx. What don't those guys make?!
Sense UI is at minimum nice eye-candy (I'm a little concerned about a possible hit on performance though). The basic Android OS is costing them next to nothing (vs. having to fork over a chunk of change to MS for every device).
Unless you are opposed to Android for some philosophical reason, I can't imagine there isn't going to be someone's hardware showing up in the next six months that'll satisfy even you.
And there's always the iPhone. You know you want one. With the iPhone, you too can have the "hottest chick in town".
Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
And there's always the iPhone. You know you want one. With the iPhone, you too can have the "hottest chick in town".
More like the "village bicycle"... Everyone's had a ride! :P
It's crazy. I like physical keyboards on my phones, but I don't like landscape keyboards. Looks too nerdy. (Which is a bit outrageous coming from a guy who proudly carried bricky Treos for ages, but what's life without contradiction? :P )
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
Pixi still appeals. As does iPhone.
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
IMO you should just get an ipod TOUCH at this point. no monthly fees combined with free WIFI should be a nice upgrade for you. please dump the LifeDrive.
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
WTF do you need a camera for? what are you hoping to document?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khsPBdyBxlY
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
Delusions of persecution may be intrinsically related to—and the flip-side of—delusions of grandeur in that the very idea that one is being persecuted by a complex of conspirators involves a sense of greatly elevated self-importance. Delusions of persecution, though generally disturbing and unpleasant—i.e. affectively different—can be seen to similarly arise from a grandiose self-conception.
RE: Pixi: I'm the odd one out who LIKES it?
And judging from down below where, over three months later from above, your Centro has dropped dead, you will have to use pen & paper, instead of that wee kiddie keyboard for this stalker entry.
Centro, PalmOS EOL
my Centro died today and i had a difficult time finding a replacement in black. these puppies and the PalmOS are EOL and out of stock almost everywhere brick and mortar. i really don't want to be stuck on a dead platform that much longer anyway. now the question is what platform do i migrate to when this next Centro dies? must start syncing with Gmail Contact wirelessly too because i can't have my data locked in a proprietary .pdb file. i don't like webOS either. iphone is still AT&T only. Android has poor PIM. BlackBerry OS is weak. i guess, in so many words, i'm screwed.
RE: Centro, PalmOS EOL
RE: Centro, PalmOS EOL
1. when my phone dies i don't have the luxury of waiting 3-5+ days for a new one to arrive from ebay. i immediately need a working phone for work/personal and i don't have a landline anymore. and i can't worry about a dirty ESN etc. from ebay - so i had to buy a new one at brick and mortar ($250 - painful) today.
2. i could also buy a backup from ebay, but why waste $100+ on a EOL discontinued backup phone/OS that i may never use?
3. concern is PIM data trapped as .pdbs in PalmOS. it would take some backflips to get that PIM data to a new platform without a working Centro - i hope i'm never in that position. while the Centro is working i can use Gmail EAS but i get intermittent sync errors. i could sync with Outlook but i don't have it installed on my Netbook and i refuse to USB sync anymore - i simply do microSD backup to two rotated cards via BBVFS.
4. next subsidized Sprint upgrade is June 2010. still not sure what platform to choose - but PalmOS probably won't be an option by then. iPhone? Android? BlackBerry? WebOS? WinMob?
RE: Centro, PalmOS EOL
Why do you like the Centro Gekk? Form factor? Or is it just PalmOS? If it's the former, the Pixi may be worth a look if you can stand to give webOS a go again. Otherwise Blackberry or WinMob, 'cause they're the only other companies making portrait QWERTYs...
If it's the latter, you're just plain screwed.
Then again, if you can stand a virtual keyboard (I can't) by all means go iPhone or Android...
RE: Centro, PalmOS EOL
centro is nice because of form factor, great PIMs, Sprint, and customization and control (FTP, Docs To Go, Streaming Radio). however, i don't want to be stranded on a deserted island forever. of course, it also has its limitations.
RE: Centro, PalmOS EOL
On the upside, by June 2010 there will be much more clarity in the market. The new iPhone will be out or about to be out, which will clarify if it is coming to Verizon, and Android will have had six months to work out bugs and update the PIM stuff. And WebOS... who knows???
I once had to pay $217 to replace a dumb phone because, it's horrifying to admit, I had gotten it all sweaty holding it next to my cheek during the summer. I took it in to be repaired and insisted it had never been near water, but when they opened it up there was a puddle on the battery. So humiliating.
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Hopefully now they will drop the Centro price from $399
The CDMA Centro should be no more than $199 without contract. Wake up, Palm!